>Shoot alien with a gun
>It's barely affected and instakills you
Yikes, what were they thinking?
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>Shoot alien with a gun. >It's barely affected and instakills you
>remember how in alien how the alien has to hunt by its almost humanlike cunning because it can get blasted straight through by a pneumatic grappble gun? Well what if we made a game where the alien hunts by charging down hallways towards people with actual guns because its bulletproof
They didnt understand the movie, or they put gameplay mechanics ahead and needed to keep the multiple aliens thing a secret
I'm pretty sure in the first movie the alien was much more resilient, I mean in the end the guy gets fried by a spaceship motor and launched into space and didn't show any damage, and the concept of it transforming it's victims into eggs, or the fact it transforms from a little snake into a 3 meters beast made that thing basically magic.
It was in Aliens where it was converted into just an animal.
>it transforms from a little snake into a 3 meters beast
In hours and after eating... One cat? Iirc
I forgot to add that.
Jonsey lives b***h. Big chap grew up big and strong because he broke into the Nostromos Wheetabix storage locker
I meant other cat, but in any case the point is how quickly the alien grew and with no shown food to get the mass and energy from.
>Bitch
You need to stop wasting your life shitposting in Ganker, you are becoming more of a Black person with every passing day.
Yes it is just shitpisting, good job. Did wheatabix give me away? There’s no reasonable answer. lighten up, b***h.
The first place they find the chest burster's shed skin is in the ship's food supplies.
the aliens don't need to eat to grow
there was a dropped bit from the OG movie where it got into their food stores and possibly ate parts of the ship which would build on the whole bio-mechanical thing but it was dropped
the current understanding from the colonial marine tech guide weyland report is that the acid blood makes the aliens like precharged batteries that have enough energy in them to grow to full size without any sort of meal since it's ALIEN biology and doesn't have the same rules as us
>have enough energy in them to grow to full size without any sort of meal since it's ALIEN biology and doesn't have the same rules as us
that would imply different physics than ours
it's what's in the weyland report, tell that to the authors
either way aliens seem to grow without eating, it seems optional
they don't even eat all the humans they capture across various medias
the alien in the original alien is basically immune to small arms fire and can survive in any environment, it's just scared of fire. In Aliens you have soldiers with military weapons which is why they're able to mow them down.
>"Lieutenant, what do those Pulse Rifles fire?"
>"10 millimeter explosive-tip caseless. Standard light armor-piercing round, why?"
>the alien in the original alien is basically immune to small arms fire
Lol no, this is apocryphal nonsense and contrary to the core intent of the film where Shusett wanted to write a slasher film that didnt follow the bulletproof monster trope of horror films of the era, and instead wanted a monster that killed through cunning
no one cares about Shusett
Tough shit he wrote the story and was executive producer for Alien and you're an anon on a Tibetan goatherding forum, so I'm sticking with his opinion on the matter, not yours
But Vasquez and Gorman are able to take down aliens with regular handguns. Amanda has access to a shotgun and at the most, it just stumbles it or scares it off for even less time than the flamethrower.
>blasts clean through the alien in you're path
so bulletproof
That's not a bullet, silly.
why doesn't the acid blood melt the grapple hook
Different metal than the milder steel (or whatever space metal) hull. Plated for corrosion resistance, different tougher makeup since its shape and purpose might put a lot more stress than a floor grate or hull plate Acids don't react with all materials the same, can also explain why it seems less virulent when it gets on humans in later films (though we never see that in Alien, nor does the alien bleed in alien past the facehugger stage, so the acid might get weaker in different lifecycle phases)
Im all for world building but I check out as soon as continuity is an obviously patch job for a plot hole. Alien doesnt become any less of a fantastic film just cuz probably the grapple should have snapped sooner.
In the original they didn't want to injure it because its acid blood would likely cause a hull breech. I don't remember if they ever actually engaged the alien with small arms.
No it's not. The reason they don't try and shoot it is because they don't want it's blood to eat through the hull and kill them all. They make a pretty salient point about this.
>Helluva defence mechanism -- you don't dare kill it.
Did you sleep through the fricking film?
>mow them down.
It still takes almost 30 shots (1/3 of a magazine in a pulse rifle) to down one anyway in Aliens.
>immune to small arms fire
its not ever shot at with anything but a grapple gun in Alien, and the grapple gun has no issue penetrating it
>and can survive in any environment
it can survive in space for at least 30 seconds, don't really know how you stretch that to "any" environment
>it's just scared of fire
this is actually never illustrated in Alien, just something the crew postulates but Dallas dies before they can actually find out. it is something that Isolation and later media ran with. even in Aliens whether they're 'afraid' of fire is sort of ambiguous since its mostly just related to the queen who might just be acting maternal as her nest gets fried
>it can survive in space for at least 30 seconds
Pulled out of your ass
pulled straight from the film mate, its shown being able to survive in a vacuum from about 1:51:00 (when the decompression seems to die down) to around 1:51:36 (when the engine knocks it off the ship). directors cut timestamps
how much longer it could've lasted in space is a mystery, coulda been 30 seconds, coulda been indefinitely. do you know what 'at least' means?
the film doesnt show that at all you lying idiot, it just shows the alien drift off into space.
Its also still moving, a human would be dead instantly in space.
The idea of someone being exposed to space and just INSTANTLY dying.
No you would survive about 30 to 60 seconds.
no you wouldnt you'd freeze instantly and also die from the change in pressure while being burned alive by radiation
>the film doesnt show that at all you lying idiot,
literally what it shows
>it just shows the alien drift off into space.
almost literally what i said
>Its also still moving, a human would be dead instantly in space.
it goes out of frame and we don't know what happens after that point, unless you have some special extra extended cut that shows it still flailing around 5 minutes later? sounds like you really dont know what "at least" means
>Its also still moving, a human would be dead instantly in space.
lol, read a book
>he thinks humans can survive in outer space
you fricking moron go watch Total recall.
you seem to be 12 and cant comprehend just because you can penetrate a creature doesn't mean you kill it.
so its an immortal bulletrpoof monster, in defiance of what the film shows and what the writer says, got it, thanks
also twisting other people's posts wont save you. obviously the grapple hook did not immediately kill it nor did i say it did.
>just because you can penetrate a creature doesn't mean you kill it.
are you implying that if you shot, say, 5 grapple hooks at its neck, and detatched its head, it would't die? are you moronic? in fact i might go so far as to say if you CAN penetrate something, you can kill it (unless its something like a tapeworm that is capable of independent life sustaining segments, since i'm sure you'll bring that up next)
Its not bullet proof its resilient to certain damage you are a dumbass
Its like saying the dinosaurs in jurassic park are bullet proof. You are a complete moron.
lol, you got sloppy here
>he thinks humans can survive in outerspace
moron
Yeah, as a person I'd be terrified if my house was on fire but I don't kick my wife in the breasts and jog off into the woods every time we fire up the bbq
>I'm pretty sure in the first movie the alien was much more resilient, I
It literally get blasted straight through by a pneumatic grapple gun. The whole reason it has acid blood is cause Ron Shussett needed a reason the truckers didnt just shoot it early on.
Why they don't shoot it later remains a mystery, but probably because its ultimately still just a slasher film
They don’t shoot it later because it’s a 7 foot blood bag of a substance that only needed about a tablespoon to melt through 4 ship hulls. The biggest nerf Alien got in the continuity is the strength of its acid blood. If it gets on a humans center mass there should be absolutely no saving them, unlike in Aliens
Yeah but when they're down to 3, think they might just take their chances and blast the alien before running to the escape shuttle. Not much to lose at that point.
Dont say they don't have guns cause Dallas talks about handing them out before going on the derelict, and you can see one in the directors cut
Also the only time someone gets sprayed with acid center mass in aliens, they die. Hicks survives but he only gets a little on his armored cgestplate which is a bit more believable
>Also the only time someone gets sprayed with acid center mass in aliens, they die. Hicks survives but he only gets a little on his armored cgestplate which is a bit more believable
Fair point, it’s been a while since I saw aliens. I should have just said “later movies”
>Hicks survives but he only gets a little on his armored chestplate which is a bit more believable
Considering body armor is likely made out of different material to ship hulls (could be some sort of composite armor made of several materials) I don't find it hard to believe at all. There could be a layer of plastic or something which the acid just doesn't react with.
it was Dan O'Bannon, the screenwriter, that needed a reason the Nostromo crew didn't just shoot it
Ron Cobb, concept artist and general creative team member came up with the acid blood, cause Dan wanted a reason they didn't just "stick a fork" in the facehugger or shoot the alien towards the end
>I was stuck on one point which was, once they got the thing on the spaceship, I wanted to avoid the cliché of bullets bouncing off of the thing, the indestructible monster, I mean that's the ancient cliché right, you can't stop it, bullets wont stop it, not at all, i wanted the thing to be in every respect, in every respect a natural animal, which means, yes, if you shoot it, it will die, so the question was, in the second half of the movie, why don't they just kill the thing, why didn't they just squash it, right, stick a knife in it, whatever and I wasn't sure how to achieve that and I asked Ron Cobb if he had any thoughts.
they never test its resilience although Ripley easily shouts and wounds it with a harpoon. the only reason they don't shoot it earlier is the acid blood, it's super acid in the first movie and was nerfed in every subsequent film. they have a whole conversation about this in Alien.
>let’s make a survival horror game with a creature who skulks silently behind the player with no warning and them kills them instantly from behind
Sounds like a shitty game anon.
you can hear it hiss, move, and it's big
the gun didnt kill it you moron
Not the point, dumbshit. If that clumsy grapple hook can blast through it, then any bullet should have no problem given their vastly smaller contact area and greater velocity, and unless you want to tell me its basically an undead zombie, I cant believe that once it has a few bulletholes in it it's time is short or at the least its going to be injured
you are moronic and didnt get the movie the grapple didn't kill and nothing could on the ship thats why they shot it out into space and it was still alive. Its physiology is completely different to a humans shooting it isn't going to necessarily kill it, it will just shrug it off.
>umm actually sweaty, the alien is bulletproof and the grapple hook didn't hurt it at all. ignore pic related where you see its blood and guts blasted out after getting shot with the grapple hook, it was actually fine and definitely wasn't wounded
its actually you that completely misunderstands alien, my friend
>moron that thinks an alien monster with acid blood is going to get shot, bleed out, go into shock and die just like a human.
you are legit low iq and missed the entire point of the film ending. The grapple did not kill it, full stop. Space doesn't kill it or the ships engine.
Its literally trying to crawl back into the ship at the end.
ok kiddo, please tell me where i said anything about it going into shock and dying like a human. or where i said the grapple hook killed it
https://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1979/06/acid-for-blood.html
>kiddo
I wasn’t picking sides watching you and
‘s slapfight but that’s such a fricking gay move. Literal navy seal tier
>an undead zombie
You are saying it should be as resilient to a gun as a human.
You are a liar and an idiot
>as resilient to a gun as a human
humans are extremely unresilient to bullets, that's why they've been the weapon of choice for hundreds of years
an alien could be abstractly 10x as 'resilient' to a gun as a human and still die to a handful of shots
>or they put gameplay mechanics ahead
this and there's nothing wrong with that. making a game like this but the main antagonist dies if you shoot it once or twice would be moronic.
It's survival horror
They were thinking "let's be based and ignore the weak shitty aliens in Aliens and make a gigapredator alien like in Alien."
>"the ai is super advanced"
>walk right behind alien
>never notices me
>he doesn't know
>Play on Normal
>Alien is braindead
>Play on Hard
>Alien teleports and can detect you at random
I've found that there's no middle ground
Yes, Nightmare with the unpredictable AI mod is the best way to play the game
Yeah I remember that part in Alien where the monster walked around the hallway in plain view making tons of noise like a big stompy moron, and people thwarted it by ducking behind a table
>ultimate lifeform
>dies to conventional gunfire and aliens with spears
This dude is kinda OP, what's the point of a Queen if the drones can also make eggs from people? Pretty redundant.
To give it some credit, now that Prometheus has been forcibly made canon there’s no strict evolutionary path Aliens have to take. They have a constantly diverging evolution more similar to a species wide “the thing” style mutation than an ant colony.
They are mutating in some pretty weird directions if you ask me.
c**t. What the FRICK Is that fricking thing? Is this what Disney is doing to the fricking franchise? I am fricking seething with rage looking at that thing, please tell me it's some autistic fan thing
the alien franchise was dead (or at least shit on) long before disney bought fox
there's been piles of moronic comics and novels and of course all the stupid crossovers including AvP (which is mostly stupid as well)
Hard disagree. The AvP 2 game is a testament to what can be done with the mythos of the two creatures. It's a good game, with a good story, great characters who are completely memorable. Are there moronic comics and novels? Absolutely, but back in the day; the worst thing we had to worry about was Alien Resurrection. How fricking naive we were, compared to the autistic predators, white goop 'alien' creatures and The Pilots being shown off as Gods and that Jesus was real; and the Engineers wanted to kill humanity due to us not being Christians. Turning the fear of the unknown with the Xenomorph to a backyard cosmic tumble as we were the ones who created Xenos.
No, frick you. Under Disney the franchise is being grinded even further, but Alien & Predators can absolutely be done tastefully. I won't defend Fox, them canning the original Alien 5 film for the first AvP movie was grounds for a lynching, but Disney is not the fricking savior these franchises need; if how they handle the Star Wars IP is ANYTHING to go by. Which leads me to my original question, what the frick is that thing you posted?
the original AvP and 2 are like the only exceptions, i specifically indicated it wasn't all bad
the dark horse comics were moronic, and i didnt post whatever the frick that thing was
Ahh fair, I would completely agree then. I will say the original AvP comics with Machiko Noguchi and other comics in the AVP Omnibus 1 are well done That is all you need as well as the original movies and the handful of AvP games, but for such a big pop culture icons, i'm genuinely shocked how badly treated these franchises are neglected.
Such a waste
for sure
Man, what'll those wacky Xeno's do next?
Wtf is going on here?
>Prometheus made canon
Anon if you haven't seen Covenant I recommend it because it takes a massive, steaming shit on the other films' canon.
Drone eggs give birth to Queen Facehuggers. Alternatively they make normal huggers but before new Aliens are born they themselves turn into Queens
>2022 people still don't realise the "eggs" are the aliens
op is mentally disabled they use explosive pulse rifles in Aliens
>I can't believe I'm locked in Alien Isolation™
What the frick was Creative Assembly thinking?
It's always like that when there's just one alien. He's indestructible then.
Inverse ninja law
better alien discussion in here than any thread on Ganker from the last couple years
I've seen Alien multiple times and I'm 100% certain that it was never shot with anything.
it wasn't op is a gay it gets impaled by a hook and ejected from the ship
such brash assuredness for someone so wrong.
try actually watching movies and not staring at your phone
I know the answer is "Because it's a fricking movie, now go touch grass," but I always wondered why the acid splash after it gets impaled didn't have any consequences on the hull integrity of the shuttle.
And I just Googled it like an autist and apparently acid doesn't behave the same in the extreme cold of space. So there's that.
well its a made-up acid and acids arent just some homogenous group of substances to begin with, they react differently
handwave it as the adult alien's acid is less virulent than the facehugger it's even a different color (facehugger has the yellow blood, adult is clearish)
It's in the middle of a hatch between a decompressing escape pod and the vacuum of space. Where do you think the blood's going to go, into the pod or out into space?
It's not so much about it going I'm, but going out (rather than behind). If you look at the shape of the shuttle, there's stuff for it to as it splashes out the side.
But like it's a movie. So overthinking it is a fool's errand.
>Yikes, what were they thinking?
On being faithful to the movies.
in Alien isolation you never kill an Alien you just scare it off with damage. Its not really indestructible
effected*
why is this so hard for autists to understand. The alien is never shown to die by bleeding out or any other injury besides getting its head exploded by armour piercing explosive rounds. So we can assume like a zombie only complete physical destruction can kill it.
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>low iq underage gay thinks just because something isn't "bullet proof" its especially vulnerable to guns
You have no chance against the BBC Bulky Black Carapace
>Yikes, what were they thinking?
Why do you talk like a literal soi
Horror games where you cant defend yourself and just die instantly are not scary or tense to me. They just feel boring and tedious as it means once you are spotted you might as well just press start and reload. Resident Evil remains the best horror series as you can actually defend yourself.
In context it makes sense. The station was on it's last legs do you really think the security guards will be equipped with AP ammunition when the company which owns it is going bust.
>ap ammunition
a regular 7.62 NATO round with no armor-piercing designation of any kind can penetrate almost a quarter inch of steel plate. do you think the alien's skin is tougher than a quarter inch of steel. AP rounds are getting through actual armored targets like armor-plated humvees, most body armor provides zilch protection against modern rifle rounds (only level 3 can stop up to intermediate rifle rounds and its incredibly bulky), to say nothing of advancements in firearms by the time of Alien
well in aliens it shows that the LT's 9mm handgun bounces off that one alien in the vent and the 45 only worked at point blank when the gun was put to another's head
the pulse rifles fire explosive rounds so maybe regular bullets just fail a lot
>Alien
>the alien is an (almost) unstoppable horror where you need to flee because it's better than fighting
>Aliens
>aliens are treated like oversized wienerroackes that get easily mowed down by any group of morons with guns
>b-but now they have the technology to fight
Still shit
Imagine if they made a Friday 13th movie that needs 200 Jasons in order to be scary because a group of marines can easily take him down with machine guns now.
every time the marines get in a firefight with the aliens, the marines get curbstomped and they end up fleeing
do you morons even watch these movies?
The Marines get overwhelmed, they were cutting them down like they were stupid bugs until the smartguns ran out of ammo.
>Imagine if they made a Friday 13th movie that needs 200 Jasons in order to be scary because a group of marines can easily take him down with machine guns now.
i don't have to imagine
But a swat team did BTFO Jason. They even blew him to pieces with a rocket. Just Jason has the power to revive himself.
its almost like its a stealth game, not an action game
For sure one of the better horror games to come out in the last 10 years. My main issue was how hilariously easy the game got once you had the flamethrower. Honestly im more annoyed at certain aspects not really being fleshed out and some things I wish I could frick around with. Theres like what 2 rooms where theres more then 1 xeno?
Alien aliens alien 3 and Alien isolation are the only alien media I consider canon
Frick Prometheus
why do you keep making these threads? They will never make a sequel, what are you trying to accomplish?
Civilian grade pistols and shotguns can't puncture the Alien's exosekeleton dumbass. In fact there's that one scene in the movie where the guy gets a shotgun blast into the aliens un-armored mouth that actually draws blood which sprays onto him and melts his face.
Dumb ass.
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