>slavery mysteriously starts vanishing after the world begins to industrialize >slavery mysteriously comes back when nuclear war obliterates most of the industry
Wait a sec, maybe this slavery thing is an economic institution and not a moral one??? Hmmmmmm???
I've never really put much thought into this, but while racism was definitely a part of it, from what I gather the general timeline was something like this.
>Europeans discover the Americas >claim ownership of it after some scuffles with the locals >they establish colonies like they always did when they got new land >bought slaves from African warlords as that was the cheapest and most convenient way to get them >create entire systems around slavery >they relinquish their ownership after multiple different wars about the colonies independence >since slavery was so commonplace for all of human history and baked-in to the system it stuck around >after a while of it people started making justifications as to why it was a good thing >one of which was that slaves were inherently inferior so being a slave was actually an improvement to their lives >badda bing badda boom, our modern "version" of racism is born
TL;DR: Slavery was what "created" modern racism. Not the other way around.
Or at least, that's what I came up with while in the shower.
Idk, I'm not a fricking history student. Sue me.
Modern version of racism is usually traced back to the Spanish Reconquista, well before New World colonization. It was an anti-imperial and liberatory ideology meant to clarify the distinction between native Iberians and Moorish overlords.
I would say that modern racism was created after the slaves were free. Suddenly the whites in the South need to justify why they didn't allow Blacks to vote or run for government so they created a bunch of laws that basically guarantee that only affect Blacks and then the stereotype about black are more likely to be criminal( because they keep breaking the rules we made for them to break) >You need a literate test to be able to vote or run for office, unless you're white. >You walk near the train track? That's trespassing and your punishment is either hard labor (which most likely will kill you) or sold yourselves at Not!Slave for some rich guy to pay the fine for you. >Don't want to work for this guy because he pay bad and the condition is horrible? You're breaking contract so hard labor for you.
Nobody ever 'came up' with the idea of blacks being inferior, its just a logical deduction considering the state of their entire continent
This. It's hard to imagine now but put yourself in the shoes of a British or German guy in the 1800s. You travel to Africa. What would you think of the locals?
The first slaves in the Americas were native, both indigenous and European-owned, but they weren't very well-suited to the work they were being made to do and either died or kept running away. West Africans had been used as slaves in the Muslim world for centuries by that point, and there was a very well-established slave trade that the Spanish and Portuguese were able to tap into to meet their sudden need for lots of slaves.
The need for some kind of racial theory to justify why it was ok to keep African slaves happened way later, and only because European moral thought had advanced to the point that it was even necessary to come up with a justification more sophisticated than "we did it because we could."
How would you feel if you were born into a life that was essentially owned by someone else? To work your entire life and your entire lineage for someone else, for no pay. Not minimum wage, zero pay. In which it would be illegal to object to.
At the very least it's significant in history so its something you can use as a backgrounding for a story.
not as bad as being a free man and being converted into a slave, I'd imagine.
all the old navies of the world used what was basically forced servitude to get sailors to man their ships back in the day since apparently being out at sea for months or years on end just a small step from some horrible death wasn't something people willingly signed up for unless you were an officer.
There is no practical difference between wageslavery and actual slavery. In fact, the only way to not be enslaved is to enslave others, unless you can subsist on air alone.
Your definitions seem pretty broad. Usually, people define "freedom" as a person who doesn work for anyone. A dude living in a forest and having a little hut and a stream and hunting and fishing his food, is usually thought of as an extremely free man.
I mean its safe to say I probably have it better than 100% of people back then, but I'm not trying to compare suffering. My point is that no matter how nice my life looks, I don't feel free. Not in the ways that matter. I don't feel like my life is my own. I worry that most people don't feel free and that humanity will always be comprised of slaves. Even if things are "better" now, I am still not content, I want real freedom for humanity.
I understand that it weakens the argument, but I feel like nobody will listen of I don't use big words like slavery to grab attention. When saying something, you have to say it in a way that will pierce the mental fog most people live in these days.
I believe the opposite, everyone everywhere that isn't a literal caged prisoner is free. Even the ancient Roman slave. The feeling you have is the feeling of lacking power. If your mindset is wrong and you are not part of the elite you will never feel free.
I generally agree with you. There is no external force that is making humanity be this way, it is only is. But is there a way to make the average person feel powerful enough to take their life into their own hands? If life is perception, then we need to change the perception that we live in. People won't believe it if they can't see it.
>It's not like I can just stop working either.
Yeah you can if you really, truly want to be autonomous.
But the truth is, you don't. You enjoy having the benefits of society and you're only posting here to be a contrarian little shit.
duh idiot. Ever since people moved off farms and into cities/suburbs we've been dependent on a shitty system for everything. We're rats on a sinking ship.
While the system is shitty and heavily, heavily favors the rich and is designed to keep poor people poor, we’re still living in the best, most convenient time, with so many technological and medical advancements that keep people alive that it’s not even funny. In first world countries.
Yes things have gotten better, but that doesn't mean things are good now. We shouldn't be satisfied with this. Things have only gotten better tangentially, because of unrelated things, not because the system itself has really improved. Physical comfort is not enough, we deserve more.
>for no pay. Not minimum wage, zero pay.
I honestly cannot imagine living like that. That would be absolutely crazy. You really would have to be some kind of a subhuman slave to do that.
Dumber you are, more okay are you going to be with it. Just look at the darker races. A lot of them were totally okay with being slaves. Their massa was often a cool cat anyways, so what did it matter? The life the Black folk lived in america was a thousand times better than the life they lived in africa, anyways, so no surprise a lot of them were totally fine with their enslavement. Some Black folk even worked their way into being free men and bought their own slaves. Also, think about all the Black folk who are on the dole their entire lives in the u s. right now, this very day. They will have all kinds of side "hustles", sure, but they still rely on the generosity of them democrats, don't they? Is that not also a form of enslavement?
Damn are you moronic or what. No one wants to be slave you white frick, imagine capturing one small section of west Africa and thinking every African was a slave. Subhuman American education everybody.
You were born into a world of obligations you didn't choose. Do you object to the legal code? To the draft? To taxes? To private property limiting your movement to public spaces?
They only reason you object to "slavery" is the fetishization of some abstract and ideal notion of individual rights.
>never have to make significant decisions >can't be fired >all basic needs taken care of because maintaining expensive (human) capital is of primary importance to the boss >talented slaves become middle management and get paid
This is the ideal lifestyle for some folks. This why Aristotle thought some people were naturally inclined to servitude.
I mean, we have modern day slavery, with literal children working for nothing, chained to literal tables. Even working adults in the big old, great western world have to work or die. Their survival depends on the corporations who take advantage of them, but never pay them enough to be financially independent.
Slavery never went anywhere, you're just too goddamn sheltered to see it. People here are too fricking moronic to understand they're never going to get better in the current circumstances. They blame black people, they blame the mythical ~left~ (on Twitter!!), they blame wömen.
Anything except facing the people who are actually actively making their lives worse.
Multinational corporations.
Catholic here, the Church has its fair share of critiques on capitalism according to the CST. However, something like private property, being one of the cornerstones of capitalism, is a defended right within the doctrine.
If your definition of slavery is loose enough to include just people generally needing to work to live, then even cavemen were slaves since they had to get off their asses to feed themselves
>whole country is a mess of junkies and raiders and gangs and mutants on daily killing sprees >legion territory is said to be the safest place currently around
Why would I side with anyone else? You can start caring about muh democracy and muh womens rights when you have the absolute most basic element of a functioning society sorted out
I guess some troons would happily bleed to death and shed a single tear for freedom while some maniac roided out on super-meth eats xer entrails as long as they're not a dirty fascist
The only piece of media that nailed slavery in my opinion was the TV show Rome.
New vegas had an ok take on it as while portraying it in a purely negative light they didn't went out of their way to make "slavery bad" a core message.
An even better approach would have been to show that friendship and love was possible between a slave and a master, and that masters are expected to free good slaves in their deathbed, as is evidenced by roman, ancient greek and ancient arabic literature, that most domestic slaves were treated with empathy and didn't hate their jobs anymore than modern wageslaves.
It would also have been interesting to show military slaves, as those often had a status higher than most free men (see the janissary in Turkey or the mameluks in Egypt)
>An even better approach would have been to show that friendship and love was possible between a slave and a master, and that masters are expected to free good slaves in their deathbed, as is evidenced by roman, ancient greek and ancient arabic literature, that most domestic slaves were treated with empathy and didn't hate their jobs anymore than modern wageslaves.
Most people are only familiar with slavery in the Americas
I doubt slavery in America reflected slavery portrayed in movies. The only movie that I find realistic about slavery was gone with the wind, from a book written by a woman who actually lived in a South before the civil war.
It makes sense when you think about it for a moment. If you treat your slaves like animals they will rebel at some point and murder you in your sleep (this actually happened to a north african slave).
Domestic slaves often loved their masters, field slaves not so much and sure I wouldn't want their places but records show that they didn't work anymore than free men on their own plantations.
>this actually happened to a north african slave).
I meant a king, he was mean to his slave and the slave killed him
It is well documented that slaves had an incredibly low mortality rate on the job. Unless you were Orish of course. Then you were sold to Portuguese and worked to death on a sugar plantation. African slaves were much more valuable and thus not mistreated as badly. They were used to the heat of the South. They had natural immunity or robustness at least to tropical diseases that were similar in Africa and the Americas. And the talk of 1 in 3 slaves dying on the Atlantic crossing fails to mention that 1 in 3 crew members perished too. Slaves died at about 1 in 100 in the US. Irish slaves dies 1 in 2 if I recall correctly.
>the talk of 1 in 3 slaves dying on the Atlantic crossing fails to mention that 1 in 3 crew members perished too
The crew members had a choice. That’s why it’s not mentioned.
It's still important context. The slaves didn't pass away because they didn't give a frick about them. It was because the route was dangerous. No business would willingly tolerate losing 1/3 of their product in transportation.
>every first world country is now slowly destroying civilization because Americans were too lazy to pick their own cotton, so now we're stuck with all the blacks and to prop them up everywhere
yeah I'd say it was le bad.
Slavery is only profitable when there's a lack of labor saving tech. Otherwise, it's more profitable and socially stable to have freemen subsisting on meager wages.
>don't give a shit >gets blackballed from the industry >when making video games of that kind of caliber requires at the very least connections to the industry
Wow
I don't get your point, none of the people working in the "slave" factories in china are forced to work there. Also, factory work earns more in china than being a literal land-owning peasant, so a lot of the farmer peasants work in the factories for a couple of months out of the year. Now, explain to me again, how they are slaves?
It's only ever inefficient if the slaves don't willingly subject themselves to it. It's that simple. Everyone under the Legion is unironically a slave to Caesar.
Slavery has existed for thousands of years. It's clearly been extremely efective. That slavery isn't cool now is something you can blame on modern thinking.
those are rewards for surviving and succeeding in battle. the legion doesn't give its best loot away to be needlessly lost by grunts haven't earned it.
No it's pretty well described, your pic rel is peak midwittery.
Plus even if it's not really it it's cohesive in universe with Caesar personality and objectives.
Misremembering philosophers is one of the most legit ways of doing philosophy by the way
>he never played a game where the characters misrepresent a philosophers body of work
It's like complaining about Nietzsche quotes that's abundant in video games.
Chris Avellone stated in a tweet that making the Legion a joinable faction was a bad idea and would never pass today due to their blatant misogyny and countless other reasons why they are a terrible choice for the wasteland.
The main game designer and project lead literally said the Legion was never meant to be joinable. They are one-dimensional evil bad guys at best with zero logical reasons why you would support them. Why do you think the NCR had more base game quests than the Legion? Because they clearly saw them as the better option and prioritised giving them development time over the Legion because they were a more legitimate choice that players would choose.
Yeah Christ Avellone is a fricking moron. In fallout 4 you can join a bunch of radiation worshipping lunatics and commit mass murder so they can take over the island.
Misogyny though? NOPE THAT'S WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE
Slavery is here today, through the COVID 19 Population Control Agenda, The Great Reset, and 5G consciousness trojan manipulation agenda. Buy silver, hate the antichrist, be a sigma male, and achieve gnosis.
It’s a shame that people have become too unintelligent or sensitive to enjoy fictional media in a complete vacuum. If I am enjoying a medium about a post apocalyptic world then I would expect slavery themes to pretty normal. Kenshi is probably the best game example for this, for example early game as a slave is actually safer than a lot of other beginnings. You are fed, safe from warmongers, you are given shelter etc, these are essentials to exist irl too.
It goes without saying that the thought of beings someone’s slave is horrifying, but this is entertainment not real life. It’s such a shame soft morons ruined movies and games all in the same REEEE movement
NCR proves it's possible to set up a civilization without the need to go full moron LARP
Because make no mistake, the Legion is literally incapable of defeating the NCR
even sooner if Caesar decides to march on the NCR
the NCR wouldn't even have to fight a single battle and could still destroy the Legion entirely just through sheer logistical stress
owning slaves is like owning cattle
they are your property and responsibility so you have to make sure they stay clothed feed and sheltered so they stay healthy enough to work
it's much much cheaper to hire "free" workers for pennies and them keep them impoverished and debt slaved by forcing them to buy food clothes and shelter from you
it's even cheaper if you rent local prison inmates for forced labor, no matter how harsh or dangerous the conditions may be, there's plenty of more sophisticated ways to keep people in perpetual servitude
Black folk are still slaves in america.
at first they were chattel slaves, then they were hood culture slaves. They are now fetish slaves.
I wonder that the israelite's next positive PR spin for Black folk will be.
I think they'll go back to slavery, except they'll tell them that its blacks who are the most capable of manual labor >BIG BLACK CHATTEL
keeping multiculti warm in the minds of those it gets inflicted upon requires some tangiable merit delivered by the constituent races.
most of which get by with cusine, work ethic and menial low wage labor
blacks offer nothing in this regard.
the israelite never once in history worked so hard, as they do to keep western civilization from vomiting the forced consumption of Black folk.
still, they wont ever do it for free, so they produced Black person 'music'
and recently, getting back to your question
porn
Also it's only bad when white people do it.
Other cultures are still practicing it all over the third world today and not a fricking peep.
>slavery mysteriously starts vanishing after the world begins to industrialize
>slavery mysteriously comes back when nuclear war obliterates most of the industry
Wait a sec, maybe this slavery thing is an economic institution and not a moral one??? Hmmmmmm???
Nuclear war hasn't happened.
Nuclear warfare in Fallout, dumbass
This. Only an idiot would expect the best morals from the wastelands.
Some people go ballistic if you mention this in the context of the 19th and 20th centuries.
A lot of Americans genuinely believe slavery happened because of racism and slavery stopped because we all decided to be nice to black people
youd have a point if 99.9% of slaves in america werent black
>America is the only country that had slaves
I'm talking about American slavery
I've never really put much thought into this, but while racism was definitely a part of it, from what I gather the general timeline was something like this.
>Europeans discover the Americas
>claim ownership of it after some scuffles with the locals
>they establish colonies like they always did when they got new land
>bought slaves from African warlords as that was the cheapest and most convenient way to get them
>create entire systems around slavery
>they relinquish their ownership after multiple different wars about the colonies independence
>since slavery was so commonplace for all of human history and baked-in to the system it stuck around
>after a while of it people started making justifications as to why it was a good thing
>one of which was that slaves were inherently inferior so being a slave was actually an improvement to their lives
>badda bing badda boom, our modern "version" of racism is born
TL;DR: Slavery was what "created" modern racism. Not the other way around.
Or at least, that's what I came up with while in the shower.
Idk, I'm not a fricking history student. Sue me.
Nobody ever 'came up' with the idea of blacks being inferior, its just a logical deduction considering the state of their entire continent
>logical deduction
>logical
about as logical as the sun revolving around the earth
thats logical too
there's plenty of evidence that the earth revolves around the sun
we're still waiting on that evidence that blacks can create civilization
Ethiopia
Modern version of racism is usually traced back to the Spanish Reconquista, well before New World colonization. It was an anti-imperial and liberatory ideology meant to clarify the distinction between native Iberians and Moorish overlords.
I would say that modern racism was created after the slaves were free. Suddenly the whites in the South need to justify why they didn't allow Blacks to vote or run for government so they created a bunch of laws that basically guarantee that only affect Blacks and then the stereotype about black are more likely to be criminal( because they keep breaking the rules we made for them to break)
>You need a literate test to be able to vote or run for office, unless you're white.
>You walk near the train track? That's trespassing and your punishment is either hard labor (which most likely will kill you) or sold yourselves at Not!Slave for some rich guy to pay the fine for you.
>Don't want to work for this guy because he pay bad and the condition is horrible? You're breaking contract so hard labor for you.
This. It's hard to imagine now but put yourself in the shoes of a British or German guy in the 1800s. You travel to Africa. What would you think of the locals?
>he buys all his bananas from south-america rather than from norway where you can't buy any
>must be because he's racist against norwegians
tiresome
The first slaves in the Americas were native, both indigenous and European-owned, but they weren't very well-suited to the work they were being made to do and either died or kept running away. West Africans had been used as slaves in the Muslim world for centuries by that point, and there was a very well-established slave trade that the Spanish and Portuguese were able to tap into to meet their sudden need for lots of slaves.
The need for some kind of racial theory to justify why it was ok to keep African slaves happened way later, and only because European moral thought had advanced to the point that it was even necessary to come up with a justification more sophisticated than "we did it because we could."
More whites were enslaved in North Africa than blacks in America. Also, blacks were also enslaved by the Arabs as well.
That's because of entertainment media like films and comics painting it that way.
How would you feel if you were born into a life that was essentially owned by someone else? To work your entire life and your entire lineage for someone else, for no pay. Not minimum wage, zero pay. In which it would be illegal to object to.
At the very least it's significant in history so its something you can use as a backgrounding for a story.
you mean being born in america? With our israeli masters? Yeah dunno, I never got my foreskin back.
Because your life is soooo difficult
I feel kinda offended you didn't try harder. I guess you're tired from slaving away in a gift shop.
They are paid in room and board though
not as bad as being a free man and being converted into a slave, I'd imagine.
all the old navies of the world used what was basically forced servitude to get sailors to man their ships back in the day since apparently being out at sea for months or years on end just a small step from some horrible death wasn't something people willingly signed up for unless you were an officer.
There is no practical difference between wageslavery and actual slavery. In fact, the only way to not be enslaved is to enslave others, unless you can subsist on air alone.
except most slaves owned by people, not the state, tended to be very well looked after
Your definitions seem pretty broad. Usually, people define "freedom" as a person who doesn work for anyone. A dude living in a forest and having a little hut and a stream and hunting and fishing his food, is usually thought of as an extremely free man.
Slaves could be paid, have breaks etc. It all depend on the kind of slave, the personality of the master and the kind of relationship they have.
Lots of slaves lived in luxury and didn't do much work during the day.
>ackshually this is why being a goy is good for you
>t. shekelberg
Don't get me wrong, being a slave is still shit but not as caricaturally horrible than what american medias would have you believe
That's because if they did people would find it's not very different to modern employment
Pay doesn't really sweeten the deal when I have to give it back anyways. It's not like I can just stop working either.
>anon thinks that his cushy life is at all comparable to being a literal slave
Cmon man, you’re better than that, and you’re smarter than that
I mean its safe to say I probably have it better than 100% of people back then, but I'm not trying to compare suffering. My point is that no matter how nice my life looks, I don't feel free. Not in the ways that matter. I don't feel like my life is my own. I worry that most people don't feel free and that humanity will always be comprised of slaves. Even if things are "better" now, I am still not content, I want real freedom for humanity.
I 100% agree with this. Just don’t compare to literal slaves.
I understand that it weakens the argument, but I feel like nobody will listen of I don't use big words like slavery to grab attention. When saying something, you have to say it in a way that will pierce the mental fog most people live in these days.
I believe the opposite, everyone everywhere that isn't a literal caged prisoner is free. Even the ancient Roman slave. The feeling you have is the feeling of lacking power. If your mindset is wrong and you are not part of the elite you will never feel free.
I generally agree with you. There is no external force that is making humanity be this way, it is only is. But is there a way to make the average person feel powerful enough to take their life into their own hands? If life is perception, then we need to change the perception that we live in. People won't believe it if they can't see it.
>It's not like I can just stop working either.
Yeah you can if you really, truly want to be autonomous.
But the truth is, you don't. You enjoy having the benefits of society and you're only posting here to be a contrarian little shit.
duh idiot. Ever since people moved off farms and into cities/suburbs we've been dependent on a shitty system for everything. We're rats on a sinking ship.
While the system is shitty and heavily, heavily favors the rich and is designed to keep poor people poor, we’re still living in the best, most convenient time, with so many technological and medical advancements that keep people alive that it’s not even funny. In first world countries.
Yes things have gotten better, but that doesn't mean things are good now. We shouldn't be satisfied with this. Things have only gotten better tangentially, because of unrelated things, not because the system itself has really improved. Physical comfort is not enough, we deserve more.
>for no pay. Not minimum wage, zero pay.
I honestly cannot imagine living like that. That would be absolutely crazy. You really would have to be some kind of a subhuman slave to do that.
Dumber you are, more okay are you going to be with it. Just look at the darker races. A lot of them were totally okay with being slaves. Their massa was often a cool cat anyways, so what did it matter? The life the Black folk lived in america was a thousand times better than the life they lived in africa, anyways, so no surprise a lot of them were totally fine with their enslavement. Some Black folk even worked their way into being free men and bought their own slaves. Also, think about all the Black folk who are on the dole their entire lives in the u s. right now, this very day. They will have all kinds of side "hustles", sure, but they still rely on the generosity of them democrats, don't they? Is that not also a form of enslavement?
Damn are you moronic or what. No one wants to be slave you white frick, imagine capturing one small section of west Africa and thinking every African was a slave. Subhuman American education everybody.
You were born into a world of obligations you didn't choose. Do you object to the legal code? To the draft? To taxes? To private property limiting your movement to public spaces?
They only reason you object to "slavery" is the fetishization of some abstract and ideal notion of individual rights.
>we should improve society
>and yet you live in a society, how curious
>I am very intelligent
Idiot
yes you are
No moron, I object to slavery because it makes no economic sense for anyone but the slaveowner.
>never have to make significant decisions
>can't be fired
>all basic needs taken care of because maintaining expensive (human) capital is of primary importance to the boss
>talented slaves become middle management and get paid
This is the ideal lifestyle for some folks. This why Aristotle thought some people were naturally inclined to servitude.
Why can’t right wingers make any games at all? All they can do is complain about leftist devs
most men are right-wing, they just can't confess it publicly. especially white men, who consist of most game developers in the West.
Only a communist could possibly think something as absurd as "slavery is good actually".
God you're stupid.
God you're stupid.
>Slavery is..LE BAD
Yes, that is correct.
it's just a you body
I mean, we have modern day slavery, with literal children working for nothing, chained to literal tables. Even working adults in the big old, great western world have to work or die. Their survival depends on the corporations who take advantage of them, but never pay them enough to be financially independent.
Slavery never went anywhere, you're just too goddamn sheltered to see it. People here are too fricking moronic to understand they're never going to get better in the current circumstances. They blame black people, they blame the mythical ~left~ (on Twitter!!), they blame wömen.
Anything except facing the people who are actually actively making their lives worse.
Multinational corporations.
Sounds like Commie Cope™. Capitalist values are Christian values. Companies exist to make people happy.
Please be bait. please i swear
Catholic here, the Church has its fair share of critiques on capitalism according to the CST. However, something like private property, being one of the cornerstones of capitalism, is a defended right within the doctrine.
If your definition of slavery is loose enough to include just people generally needing to work to live, then even cavemen were slaves since they had to get off their asses to feed themselves
That anon defines labour as slavery it's hilarious.
What a figurative table?
You seem like a knowledgeable sort, what do you think would be required for people to be free, these days?
nuclear war
>its okay when corporations do it 🙂
You are fine with it because you cant see yourself as a slave.
>Slavery is..LE BAD
When does New Vegas says this?
That's been a thing since Fallout 2, moron.
Where does New Vegas says slavery is bad?
>whole country is a mess of junkies and raiders and gangs and mutants on daily killing sprees
>legion territory is said to be the safest place currently around
Why would I side with anyone else? You can start caring about muh democracy and muh womens rights when you have the absolute most basic element of a functioning society sorted out
I guess some troons would happily bleed to death and shed a single tear for freedom while some maniac roided out on super-meth eats xer entrails as long as they're not a dirty fascist
The only piece of media that nailed slavery in my opinion was the TV show Rome.
New vegas had an ok take on it as while portraying it in a purely negative light they didn't went out of their way to make "slavery bad" a core message.
An even better approach would have been to show that friendship and love was possible between a slave and a master, and that masters are expected to free good slaves in their deathbed, as is evidenced by roman, ancient greek and ancient arabic literature, that most domestic slaves were treated with empathy and didn't hate their jobs anymore than modern wageslaves.
It would also have been interesting to show military slaves, as those often had a status higher than most free men (see the janissary in Turkey or the mameluks in Egypt)
>An even better approach would have been to show that friendship and love was possible between a slave and a master, and that masters are expected to free good slaves in their deathbed, as is evidenced by roman, ancient greek and ancient arabic literature, that most domestic slaves were treated with empathy and didn't hate their jobs anymore than modern wageslaves.
Most people are only familiar with slavery in the Americas
I doubt slavery in America reflected slavery portrayed in movies. The only movie that I find realistic about slavery was gone with the wind, from a book written by a woman who actually lived in a South before the civil war.
It makes sense when you think about it for a moment. If you treat your slaves like animals they will rebel at some point and murder you in your sleep (this actually happened to a north african slave).
Domestic slaves often loved their masters, field slaves not so much and sure I wouldn't want their places but records show that they didn't work anymore than free men on their own plantations.
>this actually happened to a north african slave).
I meant a king, he was mean to his slave and the slave killed him
It is well documented that slaves had an incredibly low mortality rate on the job. Unless you were Orish of course. Then you were sold to Portuguese and worked to death on a sugar plantation. African slaves were much more valuable and thus not mistreated as badly. They were used to the heat of the South. They had natural immunity or robustness at least to tropical diseases that were similar in Africa and the Americas. And the talk of 1 in 3 slaves dying on the Atlantic crossing fails to mention that 1 in 3 crew members perished too. Slaves died at about 1 in 100 in the US. Irish slaves dies 1 in 2 if I recall correctly.
>the talk of 1 in 3 slaves dying on the Atlantic crossing fails to mention that 1 in 3 crew members perished too
The crew members had a choice. That’s why it’s not mentioned.
It's still important context. The slaves didn't pass away because they didn't give a frick about them. It was because the route was dangerous. No business would willingly tolerate losing 1/3 of their product in transportation.
>big brain soijak poster
>is brainlet
every time
Because for leftie devs there is nothing but the political agenda, nothing ese matters, not even whether the game sells or not
Why can't this board go a day without /misc/bait?
>every first world country is now slowly destroying civilization because Americans were too lazy to pick their own cotton, so now we're stuck with all the blacks and to prop them up everywhere
yeah I'd say it was le bad.
>NCR - stuck in the past
>Legion - stuck in the past
>House - looking towards the future
>Independent - wildcard
It’s pretty obvious who you have to choose.
Clearly independence
that would be great if they actually finished the independent plotline
I'm not playing that clusterfrick
Legion actually looks to the future, while using the past as a rebirth
Slavery is only profitable when there's a lack of labor saving tech. Otherwise, it's more profitable and socially stable to have freemen subsisting on meager wages.
Hurts poor, working class people whose labor has to compete with actual slaves.
Y'all need meds and bbc therapy asap
>wind up looking through wiki list of known slave owners
>get to link about Islamic sex slave owner in 2019
Well that got dark fast.
Why can’t whitey righty devs make games at all?
Why do you think?
They’re too moronic ;(
Honest question: why don’t they? I mean really, is it because they’re afraid nobody would buy it?
Yeah, people don’t want to buy games that treat women and minorities less than equal. They don’t want to financially support those devs.
People buy made in china goods all the time anon. Maybe people don't give a shit?
Pretty much this. Social morals are all about public perception. You can get away with anything if you convince enough people.
GTFO Bernays.
>don't give a shit
>gets blackballed from the industry
>when making video games of that kind of caliber requires at the very least connections to the industry
Wow
Slavery is extremely inefficient and stifles innovation. If slavery was effective we'd still have it today.
The device you're posting from was made by slaves.
We have slavery today, fricking moron? Where do you think all the goods you consume and purchase are made in?
I don't get your point, none of the people working in the "slave" factories in china are forced to work there. Also, factory work earns more in china than being a literal land-owning peasant, so a lot of the farmer peasants work in the factories for a couple of months out of the year. Now, explain to me again, how they are slaves?
It's only ever inefficient if the slaves don't willingly subject themselves to it. It's that simple. Everyone under the Legion is unironically a slave to Caesar.
Slavery has existed for thousands of years. It's clearly been extremely efective. That slavery isn't cool now is something you can blame on modern thinking.
>modern medicine and technology is... LE BAD
those are rewards for surviving and succeeding in battle. the legion doesn't give its best loot away to be needlessly lost by grunts haven't earned it.
>>what's so bad about it anyway, it's a free labor
Who are you quoting?
The bad thing about the Legion is not slavery or women's rights, it's not understanding shit about Hegel
No it's pretty well described, your pic rel is peak midwittery.
Plus even if it's not really it it's cohesive in universe with Caesar personality and objectives.
Misremembering philosophers is one of the most legit ways of doing philosophy by the way
>he never played a game where the characters misrepresent a philosophers body of work
It's like complaining about Nietzsche quotes that's abundant in video games.
Wait, the Legion were meant to be the bad guys?
Umm BASED?? Let me fetch my smiling_gigachad.jpg , fricking epic.
Thanks king
Anyone who thinks slavery is cool should spend a few years AS a slave.
I think being a billionaire is cool. May I please try it?
Chris Avellone stated in a tweet that making the Legion a joinable faction was a bad idea and would never pass today due to their blatant misogyny and countless other reasons why they are a terrible choice for the wasteland.
The main game designer and project lead literally said the Legion was never meant to be joinable. They are one-dimensional evil bad guys at best with zero logical reasons why you would support them. Why do you think the NCR had more base game quests than the Legion? Because they clearly saw them as the better option and prioritised giving them development time over the Legion because they were a more legitimate choice that players would choose.
What I got from that is that Chris Avellone should not be part of anything New Vegas related moving forward.
Yeah Christ Avellone is a fricking moron. In fallout 4 you can join a bunch of radiation worshipping lunatics and commit mass murder so they can take over the island.
Misogyny though? NOPE THAT'S WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE
What's wrong with enslaving NPCs? Are you telling me that they deserve some sort of human dignity?
Could you elaborate why?
Slavery is here today, through the COVID 19 Population Control Agenda, The Great Reset, and 5G consciousness trojan manipulation agenda. Buy silver, hate the antichrist, be a sigma male, and achieve gnosis.
>slavery is... LE GOOD
don't you morons get tired of your moronic contrarianism?
It’s a shame that people have become too unintelligent or sensitive to enjoy fictional media in a complete vacuum. If I am enjoying a medium about a post apocalyptic world then I would expect slavery themes to pretty normal. Kenshi is probably the best game example for this, for example early game as a slave is actually safer than a lot of other beginnings. You are fed, safe from warmongers, you are given shelter etc, these are essentials to exist irl too.
It goes without saying that the thought of beings someone’s slave is horrifying, but this is entertainment not real life. It’s such a shame soft morons ruined movies and games all in the same REEEE movement
The legion is bad because it's pointless
NCR proves it's possible to set up a civilization without the need to go full moron LARP
Because make no mistake, the Legion is literally incapable of defeating the NCR
The Legion will always failed. Once Ceasar die, either from natural death or assassination, the Legion is done.
even sooner if Caesar decides to march on the NCR
the NCR wouldn't even have to fight a single battle and could still destroy the Legion entirely just through sheer logistical stress
owning slaves is like owning cattle
they are your property and responsibility so you have to make sure they stay clothed feed and sheltered so they stay healthy enough to work
it's much much cheaper to hire "free" workers for pennies and them keep them impoverished and debt slaved by forcing them to buy food clothes and shelter from you
it's even cheaper if you rent local prison inmates for forced labor, no matter how harsh or dangerous the conditions may be, there's plenty of more sophisticated ways to keep people in perpetual servitude
slavery is Black person tier
Black folk are still slaves in america.
at first they were chattel slaves, then they were hood culture slaves. They are now fetish slaves.
I wonder that the israelite's next positive PR spin for Black folk will be.
I think they'll go back to slavery, except they'll tell them that its blacks who are the most capable of manual labor
>BIG BLACK CHATTEL
>fetish slaves
Please elaborate
keeping multiculti warm in the minds of those it gets inflicted upon requires some tangiable merit delivered by the constituent races.
most of which get by with cusine, work ethic and menial low wage labor
blacks offer nothing in this regard.
the israelite never once in history worked so hard, as they do to keep western civilization from vomiting the forced consumption of Black folk.
still, they wont ever do it for free, so they produced Black person 'music'
and recently, getting back to your question
porn
>it's another /misc/tard incel thing upset that their political agenda isn't being pushed
have a nice day and go back