What killed the hype? it used to be a cultural phenomenon yet you would be hard pressed to find a thread that hits a 100 nowadays
>but no new game
it wasn't like this for the pre-4 days when it was called Smash Bros Kerfuffle
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rostergays only care about the roster
Ultimate is stale (and so is Melee, eat shit)
This, the glory days of Melee are over. Ultimate just wont get that level of following because it doesnt require that level of play. Sakurai or whoever the frick won, when it comes to Smash being a party game.
>Sakurai or whoever the frick won, when it comes to Smash being a party game.
More like lost bigly because everyone just sticks to Mario Kart these days.
>because it doesn't require that level of play
Woah there, smoothbrain, Melee only appealed to the hyperfixated type of players, and there were less than 10,000 of them who actually played it to the level you suggest is required.
>the glory days of Melee are over
It's true. The fall of Falco and Samus and the dominance of Fox heralded the end of the game. We thought 20XX would be crazy fast foxes doing insane shine combos, but really it's just Fox fullhop bairing in the corner and platform camping
RIP Melee
It's hilarious how you homosexuals move goalposts year over year about what will constitute the end of melee. Hungrybox's lame puff will kill melee. No, actually it's Cody's lame fox that will kill melee. Melee's dead because the old gods will never be dethroned. Uh, wait, no actually melee is dead because mango is washed and new zoomers are dominating the scene. Frick off moron kek. Melee is eternal. It even got more entrants at Genesis this year for the first time since Ult released. The bottom line is it's never dying.
It's already dead. You missed the golden age. Sorry kid.
>Can boot up Melee, search for a match, and be in a LAN level netplay match in under 5 seconds
Ahh what was I thinking. This isn't the golden age of melee. Watching some swedish guy cc down smash on twitch in 2013 was truly the peak of melee, an era that came and went that I will no longer experience. Oh well.
Online is fake
Melee is literally held afloat by a bunch of extremely dedicated autists. Ultimate's the better game, but most of us don't play the same game in perpetuity like you fortnite tier zoomies.
sounds like a shit game if you'll go to bat for it despite not playing it
You sound like the same tier of zoomer who insist ToTK is bad because it doesn't have 10k twitch viewers at all times even though the game came out almost a year ago and people moved on to other things.
You are not a real person with real opinions.
This. Fricking CS and TF2 players also are fricking zoomers. It is better to move to new product, the game I'm currently playing is the best, but when the newest game releases it becomes instantly obsolete.
People should really think fightan games as FIFA or such. Just throw the old one away, newer is always better.
Actually it is
>Brawl will kill Melee
>Smash 4 will kill Melee
>Project M will kill Melee
>20XX will kill Melee
>Ultimate will kill Melee
>Hbox will kill Melee
>Corona will kill Melee
>Zain being dominant will kill Melee
>Uhh... Cody will kill Melee! This time for sure!
The goalpost keeps moving like wavedashing Luigi. It is embarrassing. It is kinda impossible to kill Melee scene, even when Nintendo CONSTANTLY tries to and has been at it since EVO days.
Melee is simply too much fun, locals are lots of fun.
falco and samus lolwut, they ain't challenging fox sheik/marth are
Stagechads...Smash 6 is our game.
I missed the out there stages in Smash. Pictochat from Brawl is still my favorite stage and for some reason they replaced it with the fricking awful Pictochat 2 version. Really want to see them bring those kind of stages back. Maybe like a Snipperclips stage. Warioware Get it Together and Mario Wonder could both have amazing stages too.
And yet melee still thrives and will continue to do so. Stay seething.
this
Sup Meleeschizo melee is dead and your game is only associated with autistic troons
This. Not a single soul gives a shit about Spirit Events except for using them as ways to try and predict future Directs. Now that Ultimate had its final character, people stopped caring. Expect absolute insanity from this board when Smash 6 gets announced, however.
you now remember the handful of years where an entire 1/4 of this board was an incessant shitposting war between steve and banjo all for it to vanish instantly when banjo was announced first
Ultimate is still pretty huge in Japan though
mvs was more fun
Spbp, I was watching all the clips I’ve recorded of the game when it was at its peak and man do I miss stuff like Velma calling the Cops, shame how it was handled a few months after it’s peak
Multiversus, while it was alive, had a disproportionately high rate of actual gameplay discussion compared to Smash and I still find that fascinating.
It's fricking crazy, peak MvS threads struck a balance of actual gameplay discussion and moderate rostergayging, something I can't say about most Smash threads nowadays.
Your shitty shovelware game is going to flop and die again.
I can't believe I actually agree with this shit, but frick its true.
Frick, I agree and thats sad
Legitimately "no new game"
No one wants to play the new games they just want to post "He's in" over and over again
Legitimately they just have to release new characters and people will care about this game again
the botched online for Ultimate drastically harmed the community, in smash 4 we had a perfect system where you could keep rematching your opponent, do taunts, and jump into a match super quick, ultimate shat the bed in these areas, on top of having wi fi homosexuals everywhere, the online scene died almost instantly
Yeah Ultimate's online play's biggest problems weren't netcode or lack of rollback, it was just poorly designed altogether.
Everybody is here! Nearly a hundred characters! Play online and get matched up with a random person and none of you can switch characters in a rematch. What the FRICK were they thinking
Smash 4’s Online Rooms were much better than the slow and clunky arenas of Ultimate. For one you had the whole character select screen available while matchmaking.
>shit talking with the nametags
>changing characters every game
>no moronic GSP system that makes everyone play like clowns
Smash 4 annihilates Ultimates online. The only thing Ult has is the arena list. Smash 4 was missing that.
all these issues are fixable but nintendo wont fix them
Japan can't into online games. No matter the company, they just love designing the most moronic lobbies and mechanics for what should be an easy lift.
I think the hype will pick up again when a new smash comes out. However I think the competitive scene is dying, at least melee certainly is. More of a consequence of esports across the board dying and other stuff.
Terrible online
Terrible fanbase
Rostergays don't care about anything but prelaunch hype and rosterhomosexualry, and Ultimate is a really shallow game. It doesn't help either that the online is complete garbage. The buffer system is a hinderance to anyone who isn't bad at games and doesn't need their hand held for tight inputs, It's impossible to unlearn quick reactions and replace it with what you need to do to use the buffer system to its utmost. Further compounding the dumb buffer system is the input delay is unforgiveable and unplayable.
I wish we'd get another 64 only without the BS gimping. The game was simple, it had fun combos, doesn't have melee's ledge stupidity, doesn't have brawl and onwards unncessary mechanics. And doesn't have smash remix's bad balance.
64 just needs DI and it would be perfect
Take the pill
Smash players are among the worst and most toxic community around, and a bunch of top players were accused of sexual abuse or other stuff, since most of them are a bunch of homosexuals or furries.
No wonder Nintendo doesn't endorse any kind of competitive gameplay. Which is a shame, since it's pretty fun to watch.
>Poor netcode has killed online multiplayer community
>Shit competitive tourney community notorious for bad behavior, bad hygiene, and sexual misconduct
>Antagonistic attitude towards fans from the publisher, often going out of their way to intervene and interfere with grassroots tournament efforts which has really soured the game's reputation among hardcore fans
>Ultimate roster not likely to ever be matched or outdone, especially with Sakurai taking an extended hiatus from vidya development to make edutainment YouTube videos instead
>Novelty of crossover rosters has worn-off since every fricking game does it now, like Fortnite in-particular
This, plus Covid killed the local tournament scene
attitude towards fans from the publisher, often going out of their way to intervene and interfere with grassroots tournament efforts
Good, frick them and their homosexualry, Nintendo was based for quashing these moronic and meaningless tourneys
It came out more than 5 years ago and DLC ended almost 3 years ago, most people don't want to accept it but Sora was the biggest wet fart because of how bland his inclusion felt in terms of content and moveset. Plus the competitive community proved to be a bunch of perverted weirdos organized by corrupt TOs so most people who like Smash don't want to be associated with them.
Just wait for the new game.
>Sora was the biggest wet fart
Heh just like his games fitting
>Next game will have less than 60% of the roster
>All 3rd parties gone
>Smash Emblem will become more prominent
>Dr Mario, Pichu and Ridley more than likely out
>K. Rool also probably out
>Waluigi will finally get his time to shine but at the worst possible time
is that supposed to be a bad thing?
Sora was such a nothing character holy shit what a let down of a season pass.
online and roster aside ultimate really wasn't that fun. it was just a marginal upgrade from 4, the worst smash game by far
nothing is worse than brawl
No new eceleb reaction videos for rostergays to watch so interest gradually waned
How the frick is anyone supposed to get excited about a series that leaked in 2001?
>What killed the hype?
That's what happens when you make a game purely for roster reveals instead of making an actual good game.
Once the DLC ended people quickly realized that Smash Ultimate is the worst Smash game and stopped discussing it. The whole internet stopped talking about it.
It's pretty crazy how Smash Ultimate got completely memory holed.
yep
moron, the games was awesome, you're just pissy that it wasn't Melee 2.0, that's the only reason homosexuals like you b***h about any Smash game after Melee being "bad"
sadly this, Ultimate bizarrely carried Nintendo's core marketing for a few years purely off the hubris of character reveals.
It's a fricking shame that Smash Run stayed on 3DS. A more customizable version with more enemies and maps would have been fricking great.
Smash Ultimate is the ultimate smash game. That's it, no more needs to be said or done. It's a good send-off point for Sakurai he failed to deliver on many things but at least he left something decent for his legacy. I hope there's no more officially made smash games or additional DLC.
>Smash Ultimate is the ultimate smash game.
It's literally the worst game in the series.
What do you think makes sm4sh better than Ultimate?
>What do you think makes sm4sh better than Ultimate?
Better graphics. Better gameplay. Better online. Better single-player modes (Smash Run, Special Orders).
Smash Run and Crazy Orders
Bump
For Fun and For Glory as well mog Elite Trash
Roaster aside, 4 had the chops to be great if the custom moves were balanced & incorporated better into the UI and non I win button final smashes. Think something like Ult's revenge gimmick for Terry with option to disable it.
Also lame that Sega chopped off the tude from Sonic.
I like the idea of custom moves, but so many of them were extremely lazy on top of being unbalanced like you said. It'd be nice if they had maybe kept custom moves for Ultimate and trimmed down the amount a character has to maybe 2 in total and in turn made them more unique. Also not making the unlocking process the MOST moronic thing ever.
What is the worst game design decision in the history of Smash?
>Random Tripping
>Obtaining new Stickers/Custom Moves
>Removing All Star in Ultimate for Century Smash
>Ultimate having designated Classic Mode Routes for each character
>No Trophies
>PNGs with no descriptions
>64 Kirby/Pikachu
>Melee Fox/Falco
>Brawl Meta Knight
>Smash 4 Bayonetta
>Ultimate Steve
>Cancerous Huge Stages that try to be like Hyrule Temple (New Pork City, Palutena’s Temple, Great Cave Offensive)
>Orbital Gate Assault taking 1 year to make only for it to be ditched in Ultimate
As bad as random tripping was, I'd say obtaining custom moves in 4.
Like, there's legit no point in duplicates because they just disappear into thin air, and yet you still get them all the same, making it a HUGE chore to get all of them.
And all of that just to get the same few boring, referenceless variants of moves, like a small Mario fireball or just plain heavier Peach turnips.
I would say Smash 4 moving away from single player content in general was the worst move by far. Brawl and Ultimate both had tons of single player content but 4 barely had anything meaningful. I assume a lot of that was because they had to make a second version of the game for the 3DS which wasted dev resources. Second I would say was Brawl's ugly ass art style.
Release Quickplay.
>Boot up for a 1v1
>Forced to play a free for all
>Quit because thats no what you asked for
>Banned for 20 minutes.
It's absurd it released like that.
Wait you can get banned in Ultimate? I thought it was only in Smash 4
This amounts to 136 years btw
Random tripping is the only thing there to be universally reviled, and hilariously it's a feature added for casuals that's hated by casuals more than anything else. The sheer impact of tripping on the community is unmatched by any other bad design choice you've listed.
Also
>Melee Fox/Falco
Top Tier =/= poorly designed, Fox especially has weaknesses to exploit. If you want a poorly designed Melee character, you have better options (Sheik for being cancer, Peach for her moronic Down Smash, IC for having an easy to perform infinite, G&W for being unfinished, Jiggly for how busted Bair and Rest are, Roy for being just objectively worse than Marth in pretty much every way, or Kirby for barely being a functional character)
You really gotta love how Sakurai in his youtube video about Brawl never talked about the reason for including it or who came up with the idea and it’s true purpose
>Cancerous Huge Stages that try to be like Hyrule Temple (New Pork City, Palutena’s Temple, Great Cave Offensive)
It's amazing to me that Melee has the perfect huge map, and it was apparently a fluke because every huge map after has been fricking awful. Hyrule works because the areas all serve distinct purposes and the layout creates natural flow and dead ends that force confrontations (the only real flaw being the hole in the top left section that allows for easy circle camping), every other huge stage is either just random ass floating platforms spread out way too far with no rhyme or reason, or a huge spaghetti of tunnels. Stages should never be designed as a circuit.
Also Pokefloats never coming back is a crime, best moving stage in the series.
Hyrule Temple aged like a fine wine
I still jam on this stage even why playing alone
Literately everything except the roster
>Looks better
>Less input delay
>No sticky platforms
>No moronic buffer
>Online that actually functions
>Smash Run
>Crazy Orders
>Released in a finished state
Ultimate is the only bad smash game. Every other one is serviceable at a baseline.
It's still the ultimate as in last one. And no, the worst is either brawl or sm4sh. Melee > 64 > Ultimate > Sm4sh = Brawl
based
They hated (You) because (You) spoke the truth
Amazing how almost all of these characters actively make the game worse. I think I only really enjoy fighting Sephiroth and maybe Hero.
Many base roster characters are overtuned and/or are also hell to play against, Palutena, Rob, Mii, Gunner, Samus, Pikachu, Game & Watch, etc. you only complain about these because they cost extra money but the game is riddled with multihits, unpunishable aerials and irritating projectiles.
Pay2Win
A few of the DLC characters are okay. All of the anime characters with the exception of Min Min, Sephiroth, and maybe Joker are absolute dick-cancer homosexual shit. Sure, some of the base roster is pretty bad, but for the most part you have to at least somewhat know how to abuse their strengths compared to something like Sora just having free damage homing aerials.
Look up what the word "Ultimate" means.
How'd they do it? How did they trick so many people to think that Ultimate is the best smash game?
Is it literately just a roster thing? Do people just look at the character select screen and go "Ah, this one has more, therefore, it's the best"? Because thats the only thing I can think of as a positive for Ultimate.
Ok you really should consider cleaning out your junky pigsty house
Super Smash Hoarders Ultimate
rostergayging is dead, so they have no choice but to make the next one with a story oriented campaign to be interesting
>so they have no choice but to make the next one with a story oriented campaign to be interesting
I seriously hope the next game is not Ultimate Deluxe.
Smash is incredibly stale now.
Agreed.
There's just flat-out not going to be a next game for the next Nintendo console because it'll probably be backwards-compatible with Switch games
>rostergayging is dead, so they have no choice but to make the next one with a story oriented campaign to be interesting
How would a more story oriented campaign keep people interested longer than rostergayging? Once the game releases and people have played through it then discussions about it will die out after a couple of months. What are they going to release story DLC?
>How would a more story oriented campaign keep people interested longer than rostergayging? Once the game releases and people have played through it then discussions about it will die out after a couple of months.
You could say that about any single-player game, but there is plenty that still get discussed often.
If a game is good, people will keep talking about it.
because rostergayging has hit a wall a while ago, no one will feel like a monumental reveal again but thats okay since plenty of decent choices are left
I'm just saying you can't really do the ultimate roster gimmick twice
I just don't have any confidence that they can pull off a good story for Smash and the only thing that will be discussed are some minor character interactions. Are there any crossover games that actually have a good story?
Smash refuses to use the massive IP content at their disposal for a story mode, they only use the characters themselves. Melee Adventure mode was a step in the right direction, making levels based on the character's homeworlds. But SE was a cutscene heavy mediocre 2D Kirby with generic worlds and enemies. And then you have whatever the frick Smash 4 and Ultimate single player campaigns were.
Lego Movie is pretty much a Smash Bros movie with the Warner Bros IP
Online is a miserable experience. It was only good when I played it in private lobbies with a friend of my level but he's burn out now and no longer plays the game. In parties I just brainlessly mash and still win because no one knows how to play and I get bored quickly.
>it used to be a cultural phenomenon yet you would be hard pressed to find a thread that hits a 100 nowadays
Maybe your rostergay garbage is stale, but threads for big tournaments still hit 500 replies.
Where do I even begin? Nintendo's handling of Smash Ultimate is fricking laughable.
>Multihits are broken across the board, characters like Pit2 and Meta Knight will never be meta relevant because of everyone falls out of their attacks
>Shitty online that's only gotten worse over time
>Squad Strike isn't a main game mode
>Laughable balance patches, characters held back by shitty atributes like Ridley and Mewtwo were doomed to mediocrity from the start
>Obnoxious hitbox shifting and the worst z-axis schenanigans in any Smash game
>Projectiles are all safe on shield for some reason unless your name is Dedede
>Can't toggle rage during the fight, meaning dozens of characters have unreliable kill confirms
>Lack of movement mechanics
>Instead of giving every character an X factor, only a handful of the fighters got comeback mechanics, making a dozen matchups unfun for everyone involved because the only solution to dealing with waft or Arséne is to camp them out
>Most echo fighters may as well be reskins
>Awful singleplayer campaign
>Classic mode has zero replayability
>Nonexistent support for the game post-DLC, none of these issues will ever be fixed, and Nintendo will lolsuit anyone who fixes Ultimate themselves
>DK's tie hurtbox
I can keep going if I wanted to. Ultimate's not a bad game, just a fricking awful competitive experience, Sm4sh was more fun to play than this. This wouldn't have been a big deal if they didn't market the game by pandering to compgays during launch.
>starts post with Pit is le bad psyop
Everytime
>Pit's disgusting bacon grease ridden hands wrote this post
You're lucky Pit and Pittoo have good grab games in Ult, otherwise they'd be bottom tier. You're guaranteed to fall out of their attacks half the time. I'd sacrifice their extra jumps for better moves and projectiles any day.
Works when Zackray plays him.
So that makes Pit high tier? Then Ridley must be a sleeper top tier because of Trela and Mezcaul.
No. Are you moronic? Though it helps his case that he's made top 3 at supermajors.
>Then Ridley must be a sleeper top tier
What a braindead leap in logic. Trela barely even plays anymore.
Not once did he win a major with Pit.
https://liquipedia.net/smash/Major_Tournaments/Ultimate
>top 3 = win
The illiteracy of a moron
Sorry, Pitgay. I've finally seen the error of my ways. Pit's so good, that a top Japanese player uses him exclusively to sandbag shitters. You showed me.
>Sm4sh was more fun to play than this
LOL
>This wouldn't have been a big deal if they didn't market the game by pandering to compgays during launch.
Smash 4 did that too, and look how it turned out. The only big tournaments it gets are Smash Con. Last year top players like KEN and Dabuz dropped out from it because they didn't want to deal with more Bayo garbage. Even Brawl is more alive than 4. It's a better game, too.
>Most echo fighters may as well be reskins
I still hate how 2 out of them all are from Fire Emblem, I’d take Blood Falcon over Future Marth or Cosplayer Marth.
Technically Captain Falcon has a Blood Falcon alt already, if that counts for anything. I'd much rather see Ganondorf swap move sets with Black Shadow in the next game though.
>homosexuals unironically pretending tr4sh is better than ultimate
Maybe if you repeat this enough times you'll eventually believe that.
>Multihits are broken across the board
Palutena and Byleth are largely only playable because of the multihit NAir.
Strike isn't a main game mode
squad strike was such a great new idea and I was really bummed that it wasn't treated as much more than a side mode, there's so much potential there. I wish they would've added assists like MvC where you can you use one of the benched characters special attacks
The real answer is just fatigue.
Ultimate has been out for 6 years and people lost interest as the game has been in the same competitive status for the last two years. And unlike Melee it doesn't have the nostalgia and mechanics to make it stand out currently.
>people lost interest
>Genesis bigger than last year
>Umebura bigger than last year
>Kagaribi with 2000+ players
Do morons really?
>no more Ultimate patches
>the gamestate it was left in is extremely unbalanced
>Steve broke the game and is the most broken character in any smash game, literally makes his own walls and platforms in a game centered around platforming, they even admitted to barely playtesting this character before release and then never patched/nerfed anything about him except for a few bugs
>no more character releases, nobody who ever hyped those up actually played the game for more than a few hours. no more speculation on who will get into smash or even if there will be another smash game.
>garbage online that actually makes me ill to play, it's like pressing buttons into a sea of lag and hoping something hits, filled with toxicity, teabagging and literal children, there is no fun to be derived from it
>Nintendo actively attacking, hurting, and almost killing its own tourney scene, being extremely anti-smash and anti-player in a way no other company does, outright refusing to embrace the tourney scene and only shows up to REEEEE about modded versions of the game being played and threaten to take down tournaments
>the gamestate it was left in is extremely unbalanced
Another issue worth mentioning in this regard is swordfighters. If you have a sword and are from an RPG series, you're almost guaranteed to be an A-tier fighter at worst in recent Smash games. Not only are they often disgustingly low-effort/high-reward to play as and unfun to fight against from a competitive standpoint, but creatively they're severely lacking as well. Hero was the first time in a long time that Sakurai actually gave a shit about making an RPG swordfighter actually unique, and that stopped again right after Hero.
>Hero was the first time in a long time that Sakurai actually gave a shit about making an RPG swordfighter actually unique
Robin and Corrin are unique as well.
>Steve broke the game and is the most broken character in any smash game, literally makes his own walls and platforms in a game centered around platforming, they even admitted to barely playtesting this character before release and then never patched/nerfed anything about him except for a few bugs
Based frick this ugly piece of shit
Why the frick do Steve's blocks need to have collision hitboxes? I should be able to run into them and shark Steve through his blocks, I have no idea why they programmed them to work like this
And people that defend this garbage meme pick will say
>But Steve broke muh hecking blue bird app
Ok and?? That doesn’t mean shit he’s still the worst of the worst
I can't believe this zoomer autist trash shit got into Smash over other picks. It's fricking bizarre, I can't even believe what I'm looking at to this day. Truly the worst timeline for Smash.
Third parties have been a blight on the series. I’d rather they have more interesting Nintendo character. Ultimate felt like a fan game.
>I can't believe the best selling video game in history is in Smash.
Zoomer trash cope. Kys zoomzoom you must be atleast 18 years old to post on this site. It obviously doesn't belong in Smash you moron.
Go cry on your Discord, troony.
You're asking the wrong guy.
Do you want GTA in Smash too?
DBZ Sparking Zero is gonna outdo Ultimate’s quantity lmao but will the quality still be good?
https://gamerant.com/dragon-ball-sparking-zero-massive-roster-super-smash-bros-ultimate/
>DBZ Sparking Zero is gonna outdo Ultimate’s quantity lmao
But it's still going to be shovelware, just like every other Dragon Ball game.
Smash still gets points for not stuffing half its roaster with different color Marios.
Dark Samus, Richter, Daisy, The Marths, The Links, etc
the game is like 5 and a half fricking years old now, moron. only autistics and competitive players are going to give a shit, thats called the passage of time, read a book, frick you.
a lack of release will do that, are you stupid?
Melee was relevant for roughly 20 years with no DLC
Ultimate sucks. I cannot wait to see what Bamco manages to pull off with Sakurai's autism out of the picture. Whether it be good or bad I don't care I just want Sakurai out of the picture in a post-Brawl world.
>ctrl+F ProjectM
>Zero results
I remember around the 3.02 release when it was hype around here for it.
Then sm4sh was coming out and nintendo were huge Black folk at the time and deliberately killed it by fricking with tournaments, disallowing it on twitch, and...... gimr.
Even recently P+ started coming out of the underground a little and nintendo fricking cease and desisted the tournament.
PM was better than P+ anyway despite a messier codebase.
>Project M
Remember ICONS?
The game's done stupid. People still like Smash I seen footage of ultimate constantly trending over cool plays.
Thinking of making a Nintendo Only version of this since maybe 3rd Parties were too good for Smash and we should go back to Nintendo Only for old times sake, But that doesn’t mean we need more FE, Pokémon and XB slop, however I wouldn’t mind a new Pokémon
Ultimate is a spazzy spammy game. It may have a huge roster, but it feels worse to play than Smash 4. All characters twitch around the screen like fleas, attacks have no recovery frames, platforms are sticky, its just a bad game outside the novelty aspect. And novelty is temporary
Samurai picked only the most shittiest and awful picks for characters. They were all shitty and unfun and shill picks for Nintendo.
For next Smash, I want zero anime. NO ANIME SWORDMANS. ONLY GOOD CHARCTERS. I want Waluigi, not Pirnacha planet. I want Dante. I want Goku.
Give me real characters, not FIRE EMBLEM OR MINECRAFT OR BANJO.
>For next smash, I want Zero anime
Followed by:
>I want Goku
>I want (arguably anime) Dante
kek westerners have brain damage. kys EOP
steve killed the game for me, sora put the cherry at the top
For me that was Byleth and Steve
Are you kidding? Sora barely affected the game, he dies at 40%. Why even put Steve and Sora in the same sentence?
Not him but Sora was the biggest wettest fart of a last DLC character Ultimate could have had.
>Yes we needed THREE fricking NOMURA characters yes please whip me harder daddy Nomura yeah bring out the BELT
Should have known Sakurai would end the series on a fricking shota, the sick frick.
>Anime Season pass 1
>Anime Season pass 2
I don't know what's worse, anime or trash like Crash and Shantae.
Anime shit by a landslide, are you kidding? Six out of eleven DLC fighters were RPG swordshit (even including Joker since they made his "knife" huge as shit in gameplay) and most of them are unfun to fight.
>Shantae
Lol Crash got Jack Shit in Ultimate and I love Shantae come on what’s wrong with her?
Shantae is one of the worst characters ever.
Garbage irrelevant coomer character from shovelware games.
>Shantae is one of the worst characters ever.
Not when Steve exists
>Garbage irrelevant coomer character from shovelware games
Obvious you've never played any of her games, they're pretty solid
Shantae's games are all shovelware garbage.
There is a reason why the threads never talk about the gameplay and are just porn dumps.
They need to re-evaluate how factory-line tier characters, such as Pokemon and the endless generic one-game-only anime MCs are added to the game.
Like literally every 3DS fire emblem character needs to be cut. Those games quite literally don't exist for sale anymore ffs and they only existed as marketing
>They're in Engage, a Switch Game
Yeah and not even those 8 losers couldn’t save that game from selling less than a Persona wannabe.
I'm fine as long as Roy isn't cut
They should replace Roy with Fir.
This but Marth, nobody likes him. He's not FE Mario or Pikachu no matter how much IS forces him.
>nobody likes him
>one of the most popular characters
I can't even comprehend how autistic you are to make this post
Him having three clones doesn't make him popular you turbo homosexual.
I mean he isn't exactly wrong. Marth is popular in Japan sure but he's never been particularly popular in the West. Smash gays have always preferred Roy and Ike while actual FEgays in the west prefer their nostalgiahomosexualry characters (Lyn, Hector, Eliwood) or nu shill shit (Edelgard, Dimitri, Camilla).
Speaking of, any of those six characters would have been way better additions to Ultimate than fricking Byleth.
Roy has always been popular. He's sorta like Captain Falcon where he's got a really strong Smash presence that outweighs the original series.
Roy was really the first shill pick, getting in before his game came out, and I like Roy too. Fire Emblem was just better overall with only 2 Reps.
Fire Emblem having more than Zelda will forever be unjustifiable let alone other series like Donkey Kong and Kirby
All swordfighters fight with swords
rostergays don't play any of the games
Rostergays all moved to Fortnite. All the threads back in the day were just rosterhomosexualry.
you're right, I was there for the Kerfuffle days, sure theres been tidbits of other subjects but we have tidbits of other subjects now
Black person game released on 2018 and they roughtly make a new one per console generation.
After a new console drops they will start teasing and japan time will live again, enjoy while that happen, otherwise frick off
>The year is 2026
>ARMS 2 has more viewership than Ultimate
Hilarious how the only Switch Characters are Marth number 8, Arms and 2 Xenobawds I guess.
>No Ring Fit
>No Astral Chain
Anymore Switch games that sold really well that didn’t get a character?
Geno
>No Ring Fit
>No Astral Chain
They were basically just screwed over by bad timing. The dlc was finalized around the same time they came out and they didn't have the benefit of Sakurai's massive Fire Emblem bias to save a slot specifically for them. Same thing happened with Min-Min and Pyra, XBC2 and Arms came out too late in Ult's development cycle for any characters to be in the base game despite being early switch games
>Ness first appered on SNES
are you moronic?
you're thinking of Ninten
Braindead Smash tourist.
Terry's not from arcade?
Sakurai is cooking something up, just wait.
Hopefully they cut like 60 characters (but keep Cloud obv)R0RT
We've played it and had our fun. What more is there to talk about?
Official Smash Bros Game Ranking
1. Super Smash Bros 4
2. Super Smash Bros (64)
3. Super Smash Bros Bros Melee
4. Super Smash Bros Brawl
5. Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Melee>Ult>Brawl>64>4
Sorry I have to correct my own list
Melee>Ult>Brawl>64>3DS>4
All Redditors who have neoveganas
For me it’s
Melee > Brawl > 64 > Smash 4 > Ultimate
I want to note like Melee, Brawl and 64 CASUALLY
>Melee > Brawl > 64
Those are definitely the top 3.
My personal ranking is:
Brawl > Melee > 64 >>> Smash 4 > Ultimate
Melee > Ultimate > the rest > poopoo > Brawl
Ult > Brawl > Melee > 64 > 4
Exceedingly based and true
I don't think I'd put 64 above Melee, but the rest of this list is solid.
>all these gays putting 64 too low
64 > Melee > who cares
Project M > Melee >>> Sm4sh 3DS >>> 64 > Brawl >>> Sm4sh Wii U
the only game people actively enjoy playing in this series is melee and Ganker refuses to allow discussion on that game when there isn't a major tournament being streamed because of brainrot
I wish Smash branched out into different kinds of fightan. Like a 2D or arena fighter.
If only anon, if only
What irks me is that Nintendo knows just making a proper sequel to Melee is what people actually want, but they have too much pride and think the gameplay in brawl/4 can somehow be salvaged when it can't.
project meme is trash
>Outshines 4 and gets Nintendo so butthurt they're still DMCAing events for it to this day
Nah it's based and ur a gayot
They dmca homosexuals who gain money with mods, they dont care about "muh infinite hitstun" meme game
smash for 3ds and wii u made me want to restart playing ultimate, does Ganker play this vidya?
>Smash 64
Got re-engineered to Smash Remix. Holds a small community of dedicated bros and also just random 30 year old men who still play the game like they did in college independent of any competitive community.
>Melee
Still going, probably will just keep going for another decade in various forms.
>Brawl
Turned into P+, small community relegated to the corners of the internet because of Nintendo.
>Wii U/3DS
The only one that's pretty much fully dead because it was entirely replaced in every way by Ultimate.
>Ultimate
Fighter's Pass 2 obliterated any semblance of competitive integrity or hype from the community to the point that people unironically now cheer for Sonic just to get a break from Steve.
We're in the lull of the post-Brawl Smash cycle basically. The next Nintendo console's Smash will kick things up again.
Ultimate died as soon as Joker came out
First, the game is half a decade old.
Second, like it or not, rostergayging is a huge part of any Smash game, and we're at the point where there are very few big inclusions left, 1st and 3rd party, and the DLC had some huge stinkers in Piranha Plant, Joker, Byleth, Min Min, Steve (especially if you're a compgay), and Sora (i could also personally do without everyone else but Banjo and Terry, but i' not calling them shit choices).
I also can't help but feel the prerelease season was the worst yet, on one hand you had a 'leak' that promised a mix of characters that were highly requested (Geno, Isaac, Banjo), echoes (Ken, maybe Shadow) or retro/revisited (Mach Rider, Chorus Kids), on the other hand you had leakers, instead of just saying "the information we have points to this being fake," becoming the biggest homosexuals imaginable when their ego's were threatened.
The story mode isn't really what we wanted either, people like Subspace Emissary because we got to see the characters interact, we got a minute of that this time around, and Kirby is the one to ultimately save the day again.
Spirits suck too, they aren't a good replacement for trophies, they're just PNG's pulled off the internet with no description to inform me why i should care about the characters or items.
Ultimately, the biggest issue is that there aren't that many modes to actually use the roster in, no true event matches, no adventure mode to see them all interact.
Rostergayging about a potential new game isn't fun anymore because it's "who's getting cut" instead of "who's getting in"
meleetrannies need the rope. melee fricking sucks. there's 3 viable characters and i get fricking sick of seeing them over and over. and why should i have to abuse unintended mechanics just to do basic movement? why is it so unintuitive? oh wait, because it's not supposed to be played that way? frick off troony autists. your top player is a tweaking troonyfricker too, can't even make this shit up. your "community" is a joke.
>what do you mean I have to learn the game and can't just win by buying the best character for $19.99??
meanwhile meleetrannies:
>what do you mean i can just buy a modded controller for $300 and be better than 99% of players? wowzers!
just learn to solder and make phobs yourself, it costs like $20 in parts and effectively future proofs your aging gamecube controllers
>3 viable characters
Only if your skill level is at the very top.
They brought the game to it's logical conclusion 20 years ago.
It’s not even true at the top, the best Fox player of all time lost to a Samus last year. Most of the top players regularly get shat on by a fricking Yoshi.
to be fair, aMSa isn't human.
don't talk about things you know nothing about. the answer to "who is viable in top level melee" is very complex, but the lowest number you could possible argue in good faith is like 7 or 8. the high end estimate looks more like 13.
>World of Light was garbage
>No innovation/new multiplayer modes like the previous games
>Online modes are dry and boring, Elite Smash was a bad idea
>Local and National championships dead from Nintendo DMCA
>Previous modes like All-star was ruined and turned into a generic battlefield everyone vs you
>Roster was boring, bringing back everyone ironically watered down discussions and rostergayging
>Spirits as a concept with no description, awful presentation with collecting them, and shitty stat increases that nobody uses.
>In the modern age of the internet, nobody really gave a shit about DLC characters actually releasing beyond uploading reaction videos and tweeting about them for 2 weeks.
And finally
>Visual style is extremely bland
>Visual style is extremely bland
True
God Damn Smash 4 shits on Ultimates muted colors
God damn, how did they manage to make Ultimate look so much worse than Smash 4?
Hell, it looks worse than BRAWL at times.
it had less of a distinct style and was more of a template to make 89 characters blend in
Base Ultimate was good. It truly did have the potential to become the melee killer. It's actually insane how much of a shitshow the DLC characters were. They're so gimmicky and divorced from the standard gameplay that you may as well not even be playing smash when you're up against them.
Ultimate is a boring Tr4sh port with a bloated roster. There hasn’t really been a fun game in the franchise since Melee
Yeah, I hope Smash 6 is focused on only 4 characters and requires specific bugged playstyles to be fun. Because anything else is just slow Brawl 4 and not autistic enough to keep me stimulated.
we got a Brawl for the 3rd time so theres not much to look forward to other than rostergayging so I can't even blame them
whats the point of discussing new gameplay mechanic if is even less likely to have such than the most literal who scrimblo or sasuke to have in the game?
Not going to go this autistic for it but here's some of my wish list:
>Gameplay
Purging of cum-back gimmicks, with character defined by them being cut or reworked entirely.
Counter purge, only Marth and K. Rool keep their counters.
Cast-wide nerfing of recovery, bringing it back down to Melee levels where being off stage is actually scary.
General nerfing of footsies and increased hit stun on attacks
Meter you can burn for powered up special moves or final smashes (now actually balanced)
You can now turn stage gimmicks off from the stage select screen, stage gimmicks off won't turn off moving platforms on some maps (i.e. Smashville or Fountain of Dreams)
>Modes
Items nerfed back to Melee levels so they're fun again
Classic mode that functions like 3DS choose your own path, bring back special pseudo-boss matches like Metal Mario, final boss of route depends on your choices.
Adventure mode that works like a mix of Melee Adventure Mode, The Great Maze, and Smash Run. Collect upgrades, defeat enemies, work towards the final boss. Stage configuration is somewhat randomized.
Bring back Event Matches that aren't shit
Bring back Smash Run, All-Star, Character unique Break the Targets, Boss Rush, Homerun Contest, Race to the Finish, Stage Creator, Trophies, and Tournament Mode.
Online split between lobbies again, Party Mode (4 player ffa with low items and any stage), Sweaty Mode (1v1 and 2v2 lobbies, best of 3, strike to determine first stage, loser picks after game one), and Squad Strike (3 characters, no items, random stage from limited list, best of one)
Online lobby system with additional modes selected by the host, including Round Robin (multiple games played at once, players swap to new partner after each game), Squad Strike, and Streamer Mode (host never swaps out (but can swap characters between matches), opponent booted from lobby after match and blacklisted from that specific lobby).
>Items nerfed back to Melee levels so they're fun again
oh my god this
they keep buffing items every game and there's way too many that just instakill
>they keep buffing items every game and there's way too many that just instakill
I'll say it and I don't care who gets pissy about it: Dragoon is a shit item and always has been a shit item.
There’s even the damn S Flag which gives a point or 1-Up depending on the rules
As a minor note, I'd also finally aesthetically replace the Ray Gun with the Zapper. What they've done to the Ray Gun's design is hideous anyway, and having the Zapper would be a great complement to the Super Scope.
>but Japs had a different Zapper! You can't reference their realistic one and they won't know about the western one!
The Splatoon games have the western Zapper, even in Japan (both the original gray version and the lawsuit orange one). No good reason Smash can't.
I also want to propose another item
The Devil Axe from Fire Emblem
>Items nerfed back to Melee levels so they're fun again
Holy fricking shit this man, I also miss in Melee when Adventure Mode enemies could pop out of crates, barrels and party balls. This is the thing I love the most about Melee Casually, You can pick them up with Z and toss them at opponents for heavy damage and knock back. Makes me love Melee even more honestly. Shit like this should’ve been a mainstay.
>Purging of cum-back gimmicks, with character defined by them being cut or reworked entirely.
yes
>Counter purge, only Marth and K. Rool keep their counters.
I'd keep it for Little Mac and Shulk but for the most part yeah
>Cast-wide nerfing of recovery, bringing it back down to Melee levels where being off stage is actually scary.
yes, the platforming is lost when is too easy to recovery
>General nerfing of footsies and increased hit stun on attacks
yes I guess
>Meter you can burn for powered up special moves or final smashes (now actually balanced)
yes, it should've been a universal mechanic rather than something just for Little Mac since 4
>You can now turn stage gimmicks off from the stage select screen, stage gimmicks off won't turn off moving platforms on some maps (i.e. Smashville or Fountain of Dreams)
yes, I fricking hate the menu format of Ultimate holy shit is it annoying to do a simple adjustment
>I'd keep it for Little Mac and Shulk but for the most part yeah
If Little Mac stays I want him to be heavily redesigned. Two games later and as cool an addition as he was I feel pretty comfortable in saying the concept of "insane overpowered grounded moves and run speed but shit everything else" doesn't work. The very design ethos makes for a character that actively forces you to play lame or get fricked trying to compete with his insane frame advantage and armor, it's fundamentally flawed. Just make him a more balanced character, keep the weak and strong points but make them less pronounced. Otherwise we'll probably just end up with more undertuned pub stomper Little Mac in the future.
I guess he can be more Dudley inspired, being a rushdown like Balrog is kinda awkward when he is more of a 1-2 puncher in game
>Little Mac
He’s one of the few newcomers of Smash 4 I’d keep
This chart is basically keeping 5 veterans and adding 5 more newcomers
>Spoiler
His style wouldn't be a problem if platforms would be actually beneficial to movement to combo extend like in Melee, instead most people just avoid ever touching one.
Some mechanic like wavedashing/landing needs to come back to make platforms good again, maybe keeping momentum while dropping off platforms, dunno.
>Items nerfed back to Melee levels so they're fun again
yes, Melee's item balance made them more fun, precisely AT's are too damn strong and take over the match too often and the gust bellow is too annoying to avoid, remove moving and shooting for it
>Classic mode that functions like 3DS choose your own path, bring back special pseudo-boss matches like Metal Mario, final boss of route depends on your choices.
yeah a star fox route for classic would be ideal
>Adventure mode that works like a mix of Melee Adventure Mode, The Great Maze, and Smash Run. Collect upgrades, defeat enemies, work towards the final boss. Stage configuration is somewhat randomized.
I think an Zelda II inspired mode would be ideal and fresh for smash bros, will elaborate
>Bring back Event Matches that aren't shit
>Bring back Smash Run, All-Star, Character unique Break the Targets, Boss Rush, Homerun Contest, Race to the Finish, Stage Creator, Trophies, and Tournament Mode.
yeah
>Online split between lobbies again, Party Mode (4 player ffa with low items and any stage), Sweaty Mode (1v1 and 2v2 lobbies, best of 3, strike to determine first stage, loser picks after game one), and Squad Strike (3 characters, no items, random stage from limited list, best of one)
ofc more actual lobbies is much need
>Online lobby system with additional modes selected by the host, including Round Robin (multiple games played at once, players swap to new partner after each game), Squad Strike, and Streamer Mode (host never swaps out (but can swap characters between matches), opponent booted from lobby after match and blacklisted from that specific lobby).
yeah
Only 2½ more weeks until beta.
This scares the rostergay
>Sparking Zero's roster will be twice as big as Ultimate
HOLY MOGGOLA
I'm being genuine when I say Smash should have five Marios and ten Links. No, I'm being serious.
I would take that over the 8 Marths that we got
Rostergays don't want a fun game with depth, they want a toy chest of action figures. Nintendo should just make a Fortnite clone with endless cosmetics, that's all it takes to tickle the rostergay's brain.
You're wrong, rostergays don't even play Smash to begin with. That being said, the new Rivals game looks ill. They added grabs?
Yeah, and while the game really needed more defensive mechanics, I still haven't adjusted so far. I'm so shitty at shield pressure from what I've played of the leak build.
Holy fricking hell this looks bad. Do people actually play this chinese knockoff Smash? Is this the Palworld of Smash games? This platform fighter slop?
the original is great its basically legally mod able smash
Rivals dev making a Rivals of Pokemon would be free money
This shit being 3d is gonna kill workshop, shoulda just went for a bigger 2d art style like fraymakers
I agree, I would've loved a DS inspired look way more but apparently it was too hard to do other mechanics with sprites
3D is going to make the workshop flourish if the tools are as accessible as Source Filmmaker. You underestimate just how giddy normies get when you put a ripped model in a game and stand it beside base characters.
they want to make meme characters easy and polished, playable characters hard so they're "dlc worthy"
>This shit being 3d is gonna kill workshop
Just use AI
>grabs, shields, ledges
Absolutely dropped. I like that they tried to spice it up with specials out of grabs and ledges, but I loved Rivals specifically because it didn't have these.
I have yet to play Rivals 2 but my desire to do so has just plummeted.
after you play it for a couple days you'll change your mind.
t. genesis leak enjoyer
This looks like shit.
Maybe this is more your speed.
SOUL
This one's funnier.
Steve is so fricking gay
>t. tweek
I'm on his side, Steve is pretty much not even playing Smash Bros
It is utterly insane to me how nobody in the comments is able to step back and ask "Maybe this game isn't good? Maybe I should play something deep that doesn't encourage campy play?" but no, they just fixate on Steve, as if Ultimate had any competitive value before he was added.
you lost
Smashgays don't really have the brain capacity for these thoughts sadly anon.
Steve succeeds as much as he does purely because everyone's too campy to rush him down.
People only like it because of the “Ultimate” subtitle which was honestly the worst name compared to Japanese’s “Special”
I'll give the players their props for showing how uncompetitive Ultimate really is, Pinnacle Switch Party Game at it's finest.
Same fricking energy holy shit
Is what's happening that
>steves don't want to attack
>sonics can run away forever
>there's no incentive for either to fight so nothing happens because sonics can get a hit in and run out the clock but steves lose advantage by attacking.
How can anyone look at this shit and not say "Okay maybe something is wrong with the character"
And then there is shit with Sonic, ROB, G&W, and Kazuya aparently being about as broken.
I swear to GOD not even Meta Knight or Bayonetta were this fricking bad, hell in those games you could say just ONE character was trully broken.
The FGC pedo community scandal.
>the FGC finally got rid of Smash with Pedogate
>only to have their own share of pedos immediately exposed as well, including the former head honcho of EVO
>not to mention a community that's now full of trannies and fursuiting homos, and their insufferable two-faced allies
>also games are getting increasingly simplified to the point where they might as well almost be Smashlikes
>EVO was bought out by fricking Sony, who have legendarily mismanaged tourneys under their tenure
>oh and default female costumes in new games have to be modest as hell now to appeal to puritan Californians (aka the people who run Playstation now) if they wanna be on the main stage
This has to be one of the most brutal Pyrrhic victories in gaming fanbase rivalries.
smash ultimates main problem is the poor netcode.
Fix it and more people will play.
100% prefer it over melee
It's not just the netcode. The whole online mode is fricked from the ground up. tr4sh had a perfectly good lobbying system that Ult threw out for some reason and fricked itself all up.
>no Casual and Competitive queues and instead "preferred ruleset" meaning you can still get stuck playing some tard on 75m Masterballs only
>no lobby system, have to pick your character THEN queue up meaning once you find someone fun or with a good connection you're stuck playing the same matchup over and over and over and over
>no way to communicate through tags
It's literally so simple. 4fun, 4gloryhole, and custom matches. That's all you need. The system they came up with is so bad that I got Online for the first year and played maybe five times, when new characters came out. That's about it. Never renewed.
>What killed the hype?
Probably Sora having a counter for his down-b
If you're going to complain about Sora, this is the way to fricking go. Down b counter is so lazy, should've allowed him to cycle through different spells instead.
Even Sora’s Alts are lazy with more than half of them having red, black and white in them
for me it's kh2 sora but I ain't no good with him
Nice list anon
That's Square Enix's fault for making all of Sora's costume have the same color scheme.
>unbearably bad online
>not just NSO, the online modes are trash
>the gameplay is underwhelming
>the UI is annoying (frick the ruleset / stage select process)
Ultimate just isn’t that good of a game. It looks great. It sounds great. The roster is neat. But playing it? Not great. The game is more of an advertisement than it is a contender for all-time classic.
The next game needs to revolutionize the series by cutting the roster down to melee size, retooling most characters and focusing on content that isnt roster size. Stuff like giving every character a unique classic mode end boss, bringing back and adding new side modes (break the targets, race to the finish, home run contest, event match, smash run, etc.), and a story mode where we get actual character interaction. Just give players fun shit to do that isnt just for casual 4 player matches or tourney sweaties.
>Stuff like giving every character a unique classic mode
Ultimate already does this shit and makes classic mode less replayable because there’s no random element to it.
You're missing the "end boss" part of that sentence.
I like your train of thought but while I agree that the next game game should and probably will have some big cuts, I can't really see it being melee-sized. Realistically, it'd probably be somewhere between Brawl and 4, about 40-50 characters
Becuase Smashgays are the new Sonicgays.
no that would be paper mario gays
>character obsessed autists nutting over deviantart tier mascot OC's
>defend any game in the series that isn't the designated bad game by the community
>favorite entry is literally god's gift to mankind and is without flaw
It’s always been like this
no not really, after Brawl was out for years Smash still had quite a presence but to be fair Iwata did announce the game early as hell but even before that
I'm glad this shit is dead, fricking autism magnet
Will there be another Smash?
Do people still play and watch Melee?
Has the community improved their general hygiene?
Is Project Melee still dead?
(Genuinely asking)
>Will there be another Smash?
It's a guaranteed money maker. The capitalists at Nintendo shall will it to be.
>Do people still play and watch Melee?
Yes.
>(Childish forced meme ad-hominem)
Grow up.
>Is Project M still dead?
Project+ is still played by some. When Brawlback comes out and gives the game rollback and matchmaking, it'll grow again.
>>(Childish forced meme ad-hominem)
I have been to tournaments in years past, it's not a meme
>Brawlback
Is that real? Where can I see updates/progress?
Try their Discord. https://twitter.com/BrawlbackTeam
Genuinely, I'm a high school teacher, on Fridays the Smash teenagers come play in my room, probably about 20. The room is fricking unbearably bad smelling when they do.
Then tell them to bathe instead of whining to us. You fricking pussy.
I'm sure high school kids will listen to their teachers about bathing habits.
That's not his job, you defensive moron.
In my country teachers are well paid and treated with respect; if the teacher does one-on-one sit downs with the kids and tells them they need to shower, they will do it. Unless of course you are a pathetic and disrespected teacher. If you browse Ganker you likely don't command much respect.
>In my country teachers are well paid and treated with respect
Must be nice
Since this is a smash topic anybody know whatever happened to that guy in Feb who posted a twitlonger exposing some other Smash guy for giving him a joke kiss on the cheek when he was drunk and acting like he was assaulted?
When covid shut down locals and events everyone had to play online. And the Ult's online fricking SUCKS.
What? Smash was bigger than ever during all the DLC reveals. Sora was a little low note to end up on and the instance on Nintendo and Square picks (though I love Byleth, Hero and Pythra) meant it wasn't as big as it could be, but it still was the main topic of conversation of every Nintendo Direct during that time
I love Min Min 😀
>I love Min Min 😀
No, you don't, because you posted off-model garbage.
For me it was releasing a full price game then adding extra characters for more money. I don't support that kind of israeli behavior.
everthing depends on good netcode and sakurai isn't an idiot he knows the game needs it but nintendo wont caugh up the resources
Unironically Nintendo's shit internet. Every real life friend who ever loved Smash (which is almost all of them) either bought the game then dropped it a month after struggling with the awful online or straight up didn't buy the game at all after waiting and seeing everyone confirm the online was shit.
They still ask me to play Smash whenever they come over to chill out every once in a while and we have fun. It's just trying to play against one another or against opponents online is fricking horrible. And yes IT'S THE CURRENT FRICKING YEAR 2024. XBOX had better internet back in 20 fricking 02.
People realized that the only good thing about Ultimate was the rostergay pandering, which itself can't carry a game.
Purge the roster, delete gimmick shit characters especially, for Smash 6. Sonic can stay but he needs to be dramatically reworked, keep his top speed but make spindash more committal and tank his acceleration in exchange for letting him carry velocity into his jump.
Who else here is "Better than all their friends to the point where it's unfun" but never went to a locals?
>Too good to play with friends and family without massively holding back
>Too shit to play in Ganker tourneys or locals
Yep everytime
when I played against my friends they could never beat me but when we all went to locals I went 0-2 but my friends made it top 8. My friends were confused at why I did so poorly but I get really nervous in tournaments so I just stopped going to tournaments
I'm invincible to most of my friends, but I have a friend who I've been playing with since N64 days who is about the same level as me. I was better at Smash 4 (Jigglypuff my beloved) but he is a bit better at Ultimate (Jigglypuff was nerfed hard).
Unironically Smashgays themselves, what a bunch of........well homosexuals
>it wasn't like this for the pre-4 days when it was called Smash Bros Kerfuffle
the days after which smash 4 was announced but before it came out? yeah, generally when a new game is confirmed to be coming soon you're going to hear more discussion for it than a game released over five years ago.
ultimate sucks ass and they left it in such a shitty state everyone aside from the most casual of casuals hates it
>guys thw hype is dead man...
>new smash gets announced
>HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
It was like that after brawl
It was like that after 4
It will be like that after Ult
Time is a flat circle, and the only few that dont know that are children who havent seen history repeat or morons that dont learn anything, like op
for post-Brawl no, for 4 a little but Ultimate was announced quite soon
It's fricking apalling how little hitstun there is for anyone who isn't a DLC character
No new game is a big part of it. Even bigger is the fact that there aren't new reveal trailers for people to fanboy over.
In terms of what killed the hype for high level competition? Probably a lack of interesting figures in the modern melee scene, as well as in both games cases, a noticeable improvement across the board in players' punish games.
That means more uninteractive defensive play, since in both melee and ult the top tiers can kill you off one or two neutral wins.
>since in both melee and ult the top tiers can kill you off one or two neutral wins.
What the frick am I reading? Everyone in Ultimate lives to like 200%. There is no punish game and therefore no combos whatsoever. That's why it fricking sucks to watch, why it's competitive scene is dead and why they play with 2 stocks. TWO. STOCKS. It could not be much more defensive as a game.
Probably just b8 but nobody plays with 2 stocks and
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The only top tier that lives long is kazuya and its debatable if he even is a top tier
Nintendo really, REALLY wanted to kill the organic smashbros community. They've pretty much succeeded.
You may be wondering "Why?" when the mindless fandom made them a shitload of cash. Nobody knows the answer. Japanese people are fricking moronic, apparently.
I still hate this, Samurai Goroh would’ve been goated and added another Villain/Rival to Smash. But I’m not against Black Shadow or Blood Falcon either.
Zelda fans want black shadow to have ganons current moveset which I think makes a lot of sense. Ganon has far more material to work off of in terms of moveset and it wouldn't delete ganons current kit
I have always been a rostergay and I will always be a rostergay because what I like about Smash is playing as all the different characters.
And as a rostergay I was very happy with Ultimate.
Used to be a meleegay, played for about 5-6 years. Damn I miss it. The fast inputs, the feeling of mentally and mechanically outplaying your opponent, matching against someone out of your league and feeling like you're fighting a god. I tried to play ult and it was dog shit. Laggy, no combos, living forever, no footsies, just bullshit.
I'll admit that it doesn't have to be as mechanically advanced as melee to be a good smash game, but they basically turned it into someone a 4 year old or your grandmother could play. Smash should be about crushing a red bull and grinding sweaty matches with your bros. The community got all gay and woke too. The pronoun shit. The trash talk disappearing. Just sad man. That and nintendo destroying the scene.
>muh rostergays
Why the frick wouldn't you give a shit about who's in the game as a playable character?
perhaps this image will shed some light on the situation
you don't get it maaaaan. smash isn't about video game history, it's about FUNCTIONS
that's just like my favorite game functions vs functions 3: the fate of two functions starring functionrine and dr. function
For real though, why take away the "museum" the trophies gave?
Doesn't have to be 3D models. Couldn't you have included a paragraph of history with the spirits? I loved reading those entries. Ended up playing a ton of old games because a trophy from melee caught my interest.
Can't search the archives right now because cloudflare is moronic, but part of my SSB6 proposal was doing a mix of Trophies and Spirits. Fighters, assists, enemies and bosses would get full trophies, everything else gets spirits, but both would have descriptions.
Frick those homosexuals too, they would legit push for a 22-man roster with special snowflake movesets and 'deep' combat and not realize that Smash sold because of the characters. Melee was the closest thing to having the best of both worlds and Sakurai is hellbent on not returning to Melee anytime soon.
>Sakurai is hellbent on not returning to Melee anytime soon
And hopefully he never will
Alright, no focus on gameplay for you then.
Post your most wanted characters.
22 purge is way too extreme but makes for a fun topic when discussing what parts of the cast are most important, but I would absolutely be fine with trimming a lot of the fat from the Smash roster. Frick Cloud.
>Melee was the closest thing to having the best of both worlds
A lot of people do not realize this. Melee's competitive play was younger than its initial play and you could play the game competitively and casually. I'd argue casual play was better because the items weren't broken and designed to be a last-effort win against your opponents. Everyone crying about gameplay should actually play Melee normally and see what you're missing out on today. I repeat what this anon said, you had the best of both worlds. Jump momentum in a platformer is a mandatory mechanic.
Yeah my favorite iconic video game characters like no personality protag from that FE that ripped off persona, Scrimblo Bimblo from your favorite dead 3d platformer, femboy twink, femboy twink with a giant key, fursuit wrestler, and a fricking plant.
>smash isn't about video game history
Smash being used as a video game hall of fame needs to fricking stop.
The series ended.
they managed to exclusively choose the worst new additions for the last couple rounds of DLC. It somehow formed negative hype around it.
byleth is the most hilariously awful reveal ive ever watched live.
I have negative for early DLC characters thanks to trash like Steve
The whole set of DLC characters sucked. Joker was an interesting start but nothing revealed felt as crazy as Bayo or Cloud.
The hype of Smash Bros. was the promise of a new entry containing characters people liked. Despite the gameplay being trash, Brawl was the peak of Smash Bros. hype.
Smash 4 ultimately killed any and all hype. It was made as a favor to Iwata after Sakurai said Brawl was supposed to be the final swansong of the franchise under his helm. You can tell everything about it was half assed.
Ultimate was supposed to be the final love letter to the fans of the series. Having every stage + character from all the other games, plus crazy DLC choices, it's hard to imagine what a future Smash Bros. can provide for hype without it being a complete reboot of the series. It's either going to go off the rails in content and customization from Ultimate, or have a complete rehaul of what's included in the game. It's hard to be hyped for something that could be potentially less than what we just got.
I may be in the minority here but I'm excited specifically because they pretty much have dial it back, cause while Ultimate went all out with the roster, it had cut corners in a lot areas to make it possible: The online is a joke, the game is fighting Smash 64 for title of second most single player content in the series (4 Wii U is still the worst), the base game actually has the lowest amount of newcomers in the entire series (Only 11 characters, 6 not counting echoes), Spirits are a poor substitute for trophies and events, Home Run Contest had to be post patch nearly a year after release, Falcon Punch felt like fricking garbage, etc.
I'm not naive enough to believe Smash 6 will be my perfect dream game with Subspace 2: Electric Tabuugaloo featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series but I am at least confident that it be a welcome change pace
>Falcon Punch felt like fricking garbage, etc.
Which Smash Game did it feel the most satisfying to land a Falcon Punch? Yes this an important question
Honestly I’d say 64 due to the chunkiness of the hit sound effects, you can really feel impact of landing it, also helps that it has great range in 64 too since Falcon moves forward a bit after unleashing it.
Nah, Smash 4 was fine. Maybe hype was a bit downgraded from, like, Sonic in Brawl, but it was a servicable sequal.
What really killed the hype was Ultimate releasing in such an unfinished state. It got by initially because Smash has such high reputation, but looking back, Ultimate was literately "Release a game, finish it later, charge double."
3 years to finish a game post release is unacceptable, and it couldn't stretch the hype for that long.
Now that you mention it, Smash was the only "finish it later" Switch game that was excused by its fanbase, wasn't it? And go figure, it was actually the least excusable of them all.
Yes, the new animal crossing was also pretty shit.
Shit, you had instances where characters like Chrom would have the wrong Victory Theme that being the generic FE victory theme instead of the Awakening one, also you got silly shit like pic related.
Third parties
Remember when Smash actually had identity and was a series of celebrating Nintendo's history and characters before it became a lifeless MUGEN husk and a commercial vehicle for them to flex their corporate relations by adding random shit that has no significance or relevance to Nintendo at all like Persona 5, only to die immediately after DLC characters end?
>Persona 5
It that shit lead to was port begging for the series to come to Switch and so it did. Still don’t give two PK Fricks about the scawny anime school shooter.
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Smashgays when Nintendo adds popular third party characters instead of the guy from Excitebike
Your only looking at the character, which is the problem with the series. Smash was about Nintendo. It was more than just characters. Smash would have stages from various part of Nintendo. There was a fricking Pictochat stage and a Miiverse stage. The 3DS Green Green stage was played on a Game Boy. A stage based on Pilotwings. You have items like Steel Diver and Super Scope. Look at the items in Ultimate. Outside of a few, most of them are generic and have no identity. And this is to say nothing about the trophies which were a vital part because they were a look into Nintendo history. Same with shit like Masterpieces and Chronicles in Brawl
See, you need to have some limitation. By setting the games to be about Nintendo, you set limitation but also can be more creative, which is how you get examples like the above. Its also why Ultimate feels soulless. Its whatever they can get the rights too. It how you end up with Spirits which are just cheap PNGs. The only thing that matters are the specific series. This is why no one cares about Ultimate when the DLC ended. It was just about what series or what specific character was going to be in the game, rather than the history of Nintendo. Yeah, maybe X character is less hype, but thats OK. It doesn't have to be all about the characters, and sometimes being unexpected or unknown works. No one aksed for Pokemon Trainer and it still blew up this Board.
>The 3DS Green Green stage was played on a Game Boy.
This was the biggest tease in Smash history. You have a Game Boy stage and could do plenty with it, and you reduce it to a fricking showcase of your first Kirby game. I'm in all the Kirbygays' corner when they ask for new characters and non-Sakurai Kirby material, only because that one in particular rubbed me the wrong way.
Double Standard Ass Motherfricker
Phoenix Wright would’ve been hype as frick if he got in since has actual Nintendo history on the GBA and DS and so on.
yeah
ofc some cases is fine, like Bayonetta while debuted on PS360, she might as well be a Nintendo character now and Leon Kennedy while he didn't debut in RE4 and RE4 is not a GC exclusive, is such a premier game for the GC where he might as well be a GC guy
People probably got tired of Slippi since it's the only good online for Smash currently
Brawlback doesn't exist yet, and I'd play the frick out of P+ with rollback
Ultimate is fricking boring to me now good roster but just not a lot of depth, rollback for that would do wonders because HDR is kinda fun and Ultimate itself isn't that bad despite my disinterest
Other games like NASB2 are fricking dead, although I do like NASB2 (Garf main) and I tried the leaked build of Rivals 2 and liked it. MVS was pretty fun too, not perfect but the 2V2 was killer stuff and I love some Looney Tunes. No idea why Coyote was #1 in a poll but I'm for it, I'd hard main him
Also Nintendo purposefully sabotages the best games' events (Melee, PM) just for laughs. And because of the massive ass roster of Ultimate, the next game is sure to disappoint many people. So basically several reasons but Rivals kicks ass
For me, it was all in on characters (and by extension maps and music) at the expense of mode variety
Of the 23 newcomers (including echoes), I only came to appreciate 5, the rest were fotm bullshit, and felt so out of place or just didn't seem to give weight to the "ultimate" (or "special" in nip land) nomenclature
None of my never ever got in, and never likely will, and I so much miss board the platforms/ break the targets/ race to the finish/ smash run
remaking this SSB6 proposal since i can't access arch right now:
>reused and tweaked version of Ultimate's engine, aerial momentum, input delay lessened, sticky platforms gone
>roster is pic related (give or take an extra echo)
>some characters have noticeable changes, Samus, Sonic and Ganondorf in particular have drastic new changes
>old items like Fan, Parasol, Cracker Launcher return, item frequencies are improved (eg. Assist Trophies are now as rare as Smash Balls)
>Randomized classic mode returns alongside the per-character version of classic
>Targets returns, not everyone gets a unique map, but some characters share maps (mario and luigi, peach and daisy etc)
>All-Star returns, has a difficulty slider like the Ultimate Choice from Kirby Star Allies
>All other modes in Ultimate return (Stage Builder, Home Run, Mob Smash)
>Smash Run returns, has 3 maps, each a different size
>Main single player mode is a mix of Great Maze and Smash Run, randomized rougelike-esque map that ends with a bossfight
>Online quickplay is divided into two modes like Smash 4, one unranked and one ranked. Arenas can support multiple fights at a time like ARMS lobbies
>Spirits have descriptions. Trophies also return, but only for fighters, assists, enemies, stages, and bosses.
deal or no deal
>Hisui Trainer
disgusting
Wtf is a tako and Adol???
No one wants to play around a stage, that's why half of them are banned, and you still have to put up with the core game being designed with lame off-stage crap in mind that's never fun to deal with. Just recover from as low as you can to keep them from timing their approach right off the edge, every time, or you're playing the game wrong. And I'll say it: DI always sucked. There's like one core element of the game that keeps people hooked into playing it competitively surrounded by a bunch of shit absolutely nobody likes, and you're only getting good at those core aspects by grinding the game no-life style until the game's ill-suited analog controls are ingrained in your brain. Even as someone who likes Ultimate and thinks it's impressive that it can reward so many different styles of play, these things keep me from wanting to play it any more than the two or three weeks I did after I bought it. I've seen all of it that's worth seeing and I'm not interested in cracking out on the game when there's maybe 1/4 of its design that I actually like .
Sonic needs to frick off. I do not care if all of the 3rd parties have to go too that little shithead NEEDS to go.
Especially if Sakurai’s dumbass isn’t going to change up that 16 fricking year old outdated ass moveset, my goodness if the man so out of touch with fans and feedback.
People be plating the snoy the israeliteggle pay
none of the kirby games made without sakurai's involvement are worth playing
cap
>Samurai hands posted this
Planet Robobot and Forgotten Land mog Superstar
Shut up.
Shut up Sakurai and stop being bitter over Kirby games you didn’t make, you do realize you are not going to live forever and eventually someone else will have to develop smash since it makes bank.
Anybody who likes kirby this fricking much is needs-a-professional-carer-at-all-times autistic
He may be autistic, but he's still correct. Forget new Kirby characters, the ones we have now all play like dogshit in Smash. Dedede's the only fun one, and he's still not that great.
as a big Bandana Waddle Dee gay I would compromise with King Dedede getting his Waddle Dee throws back, it was his best move in Brawl imo and I would love if BanDee was his rare one
Don't get me wrong, gordos are great on paper. It's just a shame they can be bounced back so easily.
yeah, I wish there was an option for real custom moves to have that or a hammer missile or a hammer throw
Gordo Spammers or Spamming is braindead it does make me miss the Dees and Doos
>BanDee as the Stitch Face for Dedede
Honestly not a bad idea!
I was also thinking that he can work as power up too by riding King Dedede's back when active to be kinda like a funky Ice Climber thing where he stuns with the spear and King Dedede sends opponent flying with a follow up attack
Ayyy we posting screenshots again? I want in on the fun!
>doesn't add in a lot of the great Kirby music in later games, mostly just sticks to the originals and remixes of them
Give me Masked Dedede, give me Galacta Knight, give me Roar of Dedede in the future, there's so many that HAL would willingly give Sakurai but we get scraps. Also Kirby deserves a rework, and Meta Knight deserves to be a decent character, doesn't have to be SS tier.
Isn't Meta Knight okay in Ultimate?
Also, while some new moves for Kirby would be cool, his biggets problem will always be his physics. While they are generally accurate, they're also kinda the absolute worst choice for comp Smash.
I don't even want more Kirby characters, but FRICK Sakurai for clearly being biased and not including enough songs from later games in the series. So many fricking good Kirby songs never showing up in Smash because Sakurai is butthurt.
Smash4 being a huge upgrade to brawl but also being released on the WiiU and 3DS therefore having no lasting impression. A combination of this along with meleegay autism persisting into the modern age slowly degraded the publics opinion of the series. Ultimate was good and everyone likes and plays it due to the success of the switch, but it’s also a definitive point where its clear the ship has sailed and smash bros will never be at the height of it’s hype again.
>killed "the hype"
For what? There hasn't been a new game in 6 years, no new content in 3 and no signs of anything on the horizon. There's literally nothing to talk about.
The series died after Brawl. Brawl may not have had the best competitive experience, but it had a soul to it. Pretty much every side mode and activity was at its peak in that entry.
Modern Smash is a huge roster with nothing to do. Smash 4 started the trend, especially after it brought in Cloud, and Ultimate died on the hill of big roster.
The series used to be a collection of Nintendo's history where the big icons duke it out. I miss having trophies, the chronicle, stickers, and an actual story/adventure mode. The series should go back to its Nintendo focus. 3rd parties past Pac-Man all feel soulless, with maybe a slight exception for Castlevania. They don't feel like they are part of the cast like Snake and Sonic felt, yet make up a bulk of the new roster.
Also, I really miss the series taking on weird parts of Nintendo's history. There was no retro character in Ultimate and they should branch out more and include some weirder titles like Endless Ocean, Another Code, Chibi-Robo, etc.
>3rd parties past Pac-Man all feel soulless, with maybe a slight exception for Castlevania. They don't feel like they are part of the cast like Snake and Sonic felt, yet make up a bulk of the new roster.
I'd disagree. Ryu was a good addition and a Dragon Quest rep makes sense with how iconic the game is in Japan. Terry also could get a pass for how much his inclusion felt like a labor of love, and Bayo was a weird enough Snake tier addition that it works. The rest are pretty eh though, yeah. Two FF7 reps + Sora fricking sucks.
>There was no retro character in Ultimate and they should branch out more and include some weirder titles like Endless Ocean, Another Code, Chibi-Robo, etc.
Way, based on interviews, Piranha Plant took the spot of the unexpected classic character in Ultimate. But, yeah, it's not the kind of unexpected character people had come to expect after stuff like Game and Watch, ROB and Duck Hunt, since it's part of a large and active series.
Yeah, should have assumed. I think plant is funny, but it did take away from the game as we could have easily gotten an IP that hasn’t been given any attention and still got a good joke.
Terry definitely had some love put in. I can’t really get behind Dragon Quest or Street Fighter, but that is probably personal bias. I think a general problem is Ultimate and 4 had no avenues to really express the IP. Brawl had Subspace, which did wonders to implement Snake and Sonic. Snake also had Codecs. Castlevania got a boost due to Dracula being a boss. PAC-Man brings a lot of Namco material into the general game. The rest just kind of exist as another slot.
>The rest just kind of exist as another slot.
That's true. Brawl made a massive deal of its third party reps, but by Ultimate it kind of just started feeling mundane, practically expected.
> Yeah, should have assumed. I think plant is funny, but it did take away from the game as we could have easily gotten an IP that hasn’t been given any attention and still got a good joke.
For fricks sakes I don’t see why they couldn’t just double dip on retro characters like they have no problem doing for shit like Fire Emblem
They had to waste time bringing everyone back, a gimmick that really hurt Ultimate long term. Most of Ultimate’s roster can easily be cut out with few complaints. Is anyone going to care that Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, Young Link, or most of the FE/Pokémon cast didn’t return?
People only really wanted Ice Climbers, Wolf and Snake back during 4. The rest just feel like filler brought back because? Take out those characters and you could probably crank out a good new character that would be worth more than the sum combined.
>or most of the FE/Pokémon cast didn’t return?
Pokemon is going to be an awkward one because who do you cut?
>Cut Jigglypuff and you're pissing off oldgays while also removing a character that's both completely unique and incredibly easy to implement
>Cut Mewtwo or Pokemon Trainer and the genwunners will be pissed
>The other shill mons (Lucario, Greninja, Fursuit) are all popular enough that people will be upset if they're gone too
You can cut Pichu and MAYBE Incelroar without too much pushback, that's it.
If they're not going to revamp his moveset then I'd want Lucario to be cut above the others.
Squirtle and Ivysaur are easy cuts since Charizard is really the big draw for Pokémon Trainer. Most seemed to be fine with it for Wii U.
Pichu is an obvious cut, even if it means losing a 2nd Gen rep.
Incineroar was always the ultimate shill pick and probably the most hated new addition of Ultimate’s base roster.
If rebooted, Jigglypuff is an easy boot as she is really only there for Smash legacy by this point, to which a reboot shouldn’t have to follow as strictly. She was also considered for being cut numerous times already.
>Squirtle and Ivysaur are easy cuts since Charizard is really the big draw for Pokémon Trainer. Most seemed to be fine with it for Wii U
That's because PT was horrible in Brawl with the stamina mechanic, type weakness, and slow switching that was limited to the ground. Now that they actually made PT work in Ultimate it would be moronic to cut him back down to just Charizard for the next game.
Weirdly enough, I feel like Ayumi has a decent shot for the next game. We know that she was at one point considered for Melee and that her trophy was going to be the reward for completing her Classic mode, but Sakurai decided against it because she was from an already super old at the time Japan exclusive visual novel. But her game recently had a remake in 2021 and it even got localized, so if Sakurai ever wanted to revisit her, now's the time. On the off chance she does get in, I hope you can hope her old design in an alternate costume
I still wish we got her
If you are Sakurai do not open this
I remember when smash 4 first came out and the first time I played it I felt kinda disappointed. there was just this "soulless" feel to it that kinda bummed me out.
>The series died after Brawl. Brawl may not have had the best competitive experience, but it had a soul to it.
I agree with you 100% about this. It wasn't the best competitive game or anything but it still felt like sakurai put put love and care into brawl. I feel like he's just been phoning it in since smash 4
Normally we would have heard about the next game by now moron, but Nintendo's generations are getting longer.
How can Pit players cope with the fact that Dark Pit's blatantly better?
We typically don't hear about a new smash until a new console's reveal at the earliest and they haven't formally announced the Switch's successor yet.
Meant for
Smash Z.
12 characters. Nintendo only. 1v1 Pokken style camera mode. Zoom inside and close ups on power moves/smashes.
Thematically uses Mario movies DK fight. Every fighter has their own stadium, but the individual stages are the blocks that can be arranged differently between matches. Weekly tournaments and qualifiers for big Nintendo sponsored tournaments. All viewable live streamed through the game itself and you can hang out in the stadium watching.
Smash 64.
Battle royale smash on a giant map of stitched together classic stages.
Rostergays and people who want 2-8 smash can just buy the ultimate rerelease on super switch. It will be announced in conjunction with the above to avoid rocking the boat with angry fans.
Rostergays are buoyed with one final character drop in the rerelease. Mickey Mouse.
Battle royale smash map will connect together to make one giant loop. Jump from bowsers floating airship to start the game. You have 3 lives and can bank 3.power up items for future use.
Smash Z using the pokken camera means both fighters get their own perspective. It's a much tighter camera angle, and does lots of tricks while fighting to immerse you. The basic pitch is, the new smash looks like the CGI movies Nintendo made to sell previous titles.
>Sheik
I'll be honest, I feel like she's in a Falcon position where she's only here because she's a popular Smash character. I'd gladly cut Sheik if it meant getting Tingle.
Byleth and Robin should also probably be down a tier and Corrin should probably be moved up a tier. They all exist to shill games that are no longer getting shilled, Robin could maybe come back as a tactician rep but Byleth is the most nothing FE character currently in the roster, and that's including the character that's literally just Marth but with red hair and a fire sword.
Yeah Sheik is a character I'd cut too if this was a personal list but she's been a mainstay since Melee so I feel like her odds are better than most. And as for the new nuFE trio, while they're all shill reps, Corrin is in a much worse position than the others in my opinion. Where as Awakening is the game that saved Fire Emblem and Three House is the best selling game in the series, Fates was and still is one of the more divisive games both in terms of story and gameplay. Combine that with Corrin being considered the arguably least popular FE character in the the game by both Smashgays and FEgays and their odds don't seem so good compared to Robin and Byleth
>no ultra competitive spin-off that features only the O12 as playable
thank god
Peppino would be a fun fighter
>B is Mach Run gaining speed as he moves forward. deals light damage and gives light armor if he reaches Mach 2. Can be jumped out of (momentum is retained) or canceled into Side B. If up is held during the Mach Run while grounded and while in Mach 2, transitions into a Super Jump stance that works like in his home game. Super Jump can be canceled back into a Mach Run, Grab, or an aerial attack.
>Side B is Grab, the core of his kit and a good combo ender. Command grab where he dashes forward, and can perform additional inputs depending on if he's grounded or in the air when the attack lands
>Rising Uppercut Up B obviously. Functions as an anti-air and has armor on start-up.
>Down B is Taunt/Parry. Comes out quick but doesn't have a built in counter attack, just leaves the opponent in hit lag and reflects projectiles.
>Heavy, fast, hits hard and has great advantage, but is very committal, has a relatively low jump outside of Super Jump, and has a predictable recovery. Rising Uppercut is hard to contest but if you force him to use it early he's probably not making it back to stage.
>Gameplan is to use his mobility to quickly close in and use his command grab to position the opponent and constantly force them into 50/50s
>All this Smash 4 talk
>The game itself is turning 10 years old this year
Let’s reminisce and rewatch old developer directs for Smash 4, let’s see if we activate some nostalgia!
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Smash has an unsolveable identity crisis because it caters to too many demographics with conflicting interests.
There's still a solid mass of casual players, the bulk of what makes Ult sell 30 Millions, even if they either are 10 year olds spamming Kirby Down B or 30 year olds spamming Kirby Down B too but they'll quit the game in a week or two from the current flow of video games pushing everything to the wayside within that time.
These people, or moreso the latter category, shallow as their actual ways of playing Smash may be, are tired of the same old movesets for the old characters. However, there is, at least for now, a conflict of interest going with anyone who actually tries to play Smash.
Min-Min plays like Arms? Great, she's a polarising disaster of a character nobody likes to play against. Bayonetta plays like Bayonetta? Great, she killed a game and even in the sequel people don't like fighting against her. Steve plays like Minecraft? Bends the game in a way that's so bad it's almost beautiful. With anyone else piloting the wheels there'd be no doubt Steve just is a giant frick you to the playerbase commited to the game. His 3 vertical block layout puts players in situations that are more or less the reason why a dozen or so stages are banned from compgay play.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter that much because you're all consumers and you'll buy the next game regardless of the shape it takes, but it is a contributing factor as to why Smash is such an exhausting topic to discuss. Even at its most civil, there's just a point where no further arguments to be made and it just boils down to different people being there for different reasons. Other games exhibit this too but none is as extreme as Smash.
>Min-Min plays like Arms? Great, she's a polarising disaster of a character nobody likes to play against. Bayonetta plays like Bayonetta? Great, she killed a game and even in the sequel people don't like fighting against her. Steve plays like Minecraft? Bends the game in a way that's so bad it's almost beautiful.
Honestly shit like this has really made me appreciate how the Original 12 are actually really well designed fighting game characters with kits that pay homage to the original character while feeling like an actual archetype rather than a pile of references. Jigglypuff should not fit into Smash as well as she does but the way she's designed makes her feel like a legitimate archetype that you'd find on a original character were Smash not a crossover game.
Character homage and references vs function in the context of Smash as a game is a scale and I feel like since Smash 4 that scale has been tilted far too deeply towards the former at the expense of the later. It's why new fighters feel so gimmicky.
and people want the original 12 to be reworked to be just as gimmicky cancer like the other new characters
Maybe Smash could have a Classic and Modern switchable settings for the veterans kinda like SF6
>What killed the hype?
a decade and a half of Brawl's awful physics mechanics
T. Meleeschizo who has a neovegana
Unironically, the community. People no longer want to be associated with a game whose fans are commonly seen as literally unwashed, disgusting kiddie frickers. Ironic, because this describes Ganker.
How was this guy so right about Meleegays and how moronic they are?
Amsa BTFO'd this whiny gay
Nobody knows who you’re talking about. You talking about the OP in that screencap?
Quoting Kermit here, if you'll notice.
>There is no Spark who played a mid-to-low character in Continuum Shift and pulls the tournament out from everyone's nose.
That's Amsa playing Yoshi.
I can also mention that fricking japanese player that made Banjo good.
Doesn't mean it beats the rule, stinky
The screencap was about Melee, not Ult. Why would I watch competitive Ult? By the way, don't sign your posts.
You absolute fricking moron, my post is directly countering your
>B-b-but AMSA!
this is an exception, Melee is still stuck with the same minuscule loop of the usual top tiers and their greasy player reps.
>Woohoo, Yoshi's a part of the elite!
Who the frick cares?
>this is an exception, Melee is still stuck with the same minuscule loop of the usual top tiers
The argument was that Melee is solved so if the meta is changing then that proves you wrong. You've moving the goalposts by going from "the top tiers are locked in. it's solved" to "so what if there's one extra top tier? it's locked in! it's solved!!"
Like every old fighting game it's not like we'll wake up tomorrow and learn that Fox and Marth are actually bottom tier, but there is still interesting stories being weaved. New blood rising. Mid tiers becoming viable. Don't get so worked up. It's a fun game and people will enjoy it until something better comes along (cough cough Brawlback cough)
>Melee is solved
It is, mark my words, there will never be another AMSA, that was your last outlier.
DK has been on the rise lately actually. I can't see any other character after that making a big break out though
By all means I would like it to be 20xx already so people move on to better games like P+
Samus, Donkey Kong and Ganondorf were all pushed further last year than ever before.
>Melee is bad because the best players always win
This is who Sakurai made Brawl for
I just want them to add a feature where on the endscreen it shows the losing character hogtied and being fricked into submission by the winner.
No singeplayer content to mess around with
Yet another game of unnecessary and weird balance patches
Particularly annoying fandom (It's true)
Online always sucked
No official circuit
Character roster was great, so were stages
Not the problem. Still an amazing game just with that, no game like this will ever happen again
>the hype
>muh hype
You want to know what killed Smash? You did. Your kind did. When Smash stopped being about being a fricking video game and became this spectacle for you to make reaction videos to or watch them and parrot them like NPCs. Thats all roster homosexualry boils down to. Reaction videos and "hype". Smash Ultimate was entirely a roster gay game and roster gays still aren't happy with it. Anyone that wanted a solid fricking video game aren't happy with it either. The game is bare bones despite the quantity. But at least there's a cartoon bear and gator and alien dinosaur you stopped playing as. Smash Ultimate annoys me so much. You have all this shit and literally nothing to do with them except versus. And it's all going to be thrown away next game. Such a complete fricking waste.
I'm not that kind of guy b, it just has noticeably much less of a presence on Ganker than ever
Ganker in the last 5 or so years has been particular about spamming threads involving current games/events, keep that in mind. Literally no Switch release is getting constant threads because none of them are the recent thing anymore, doesn't mean that all those games were failures. Once next Smash is so much as confirmed to exist, there will be constant threads again. Hell, when they initially announced that Ultimate was getting some more stuff for the series' 25th, I saw a thread active daily for quite a bit.
thats true, Gankereddit is pretty just a group of discord gays trying to force memes for the most part
is funny how a much smaller board like Ganker is way more successful in producing memes without really forcing it, well not nearly as much as the Gankereddit gays trying to force shit, remember "sick dark" while shit like slop, jobber and KWAB came from Ganker thats adopted by many boards while I never see shit like "forced soul" or "safe horny" in other boards
the again thats because those are far less original and just a rehash of Ganker "forced animation" and wherever "safe edgy" came from
I would have taken Tifa over Sephiroth. Cool martial arts, so you wouldn't have people b***hing about her being another swordsman. Coom factor is just a nice bonus on top. There would also be jokes that Tifa followed her boyfriend to Smash and they are gonna Smash.
seems like most of the people complaining would stop if they just rereleased ultimate next gen with more singleplayer modes and smash run
>Release game unfinished
>"What if we re-released it, but finished?"
I dunno, hype has sailed at this point. I don't really care to play a 6 year old game; even if it took 6 years to finish.
hard truth is that I genuinely cannot remember the last big multiplayer game that came out completely finished out of the box. not even outside of Nintendo, either.
dont forget rollback. That might be more important than anything for the games long term health
as long as bamco is at the helm then that's a pipe dream.
best thing to hope for is a ranked/unranked split for quickplay to make it more like the for fun/for glory system again
Honestly I don't even NEED rollback, even if it would be nice. I just need the game to not add shit tons of input lag online. The game adds a minimum of 4 frames of input lag if you're playing online. It's definitely a conscious choice Nintendo made too because fans made a mod that gets rid of that forced input lag and anything after that just depends on connection.
Yes absolutely. Nintendo has a really bad habit of releasing unfinished games and drip feeding support for a little while then completely give up on it. Somehow Smash doesn't get lumped into that same Mario Sports, Mario Maker, Animal Crossing, Splatoon boat. Arguably even Kirby Star Allies was that too. The game launched with 4 new stages and zero modes. They threw in home run contest and that was it. Want more stages that'll be 60 extra dollars on top of the price of the game. Want modes? Please understand Sakurai is so overworked he is singlehandedly making the entire game by himself oh woe is me. Both versions of Smash 4 were unironically more feature complete games than Ultimate even after the DLC finished. Ultimate still feels unfinished because it absolutely is.
seems more like something they tried to experiment with this generation after Splatoon 1 proved to be successful relative to Nintendo's other 8th gen debuts, of course to very mixed results (AFAIK, games like ARMS and Switch Sports also fall into this aforementioned category). The idealist in me hopes that Nintendo understands what works and what doesn't going into 10th gen, but who knows with how the entire industry can be. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's success basically saying "yes, people like it when you release a packed game on launch" SHOULD say that, if it wasn't a port
People keep talking about Wii U vs Switch these days but I don't get why the Switch is being defended. Switch's entire first party catalog fits into 1 of 3 categories: port/remake most likely from Wii U, a Splatoon drip feed, or a complete video game.
https://www.lucklessheaven.com/nintendo-switch/games-us
You look at a list of Switch games and you can basically only pick 1 or 2 games per year that are the third category. Even then a lot of these games have major DLC expansions which is a new debate on what these count as. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is somehow both a drip feed game and a port. But I actually want that when the next system is out more than new entries. I would rather they add more to or fix existing games that could use it. Especially games like Animal Crossing New Horizons, Mario Maker 2 and Smash.
The main thing is that the Switch essentially feels like a soft refresh for Nintendo, mainly in regards to the teething issues that come with firing all pistons on a single system, instead of everyone being split up internally between handhelds and home consoles like how it was for about thirty years (Game Boy launched in 1989, while the last first-party 3DS titles came out in early 2019).
While this also brings the benefit of exclusives not being spaced out to painful levels like with what happened with the Wii U, you have a lot of devs having to adjust to this sudden leap. I wouldn't be surprised if following the Splatoon model this generation was also partially an excuse for developers not having to make everything at once for certain titles. It sucks, but a mixture of that and attempting to replicate Splatoon's dripfeed as you describes is the only real rational explanation I can give.
What Nintendo did with the Switch is a double-edged sword; they successfully hooked buyers in with a simple appeal and front-loaded titles (Big new Zelda and Mario games, an updated version of their Wii U bestseller, an exclusive RPG in Xenoblade 2, and a new Splatoon title year 1) and a more steady stream of exclusive games, but good PR like that can definitely make it easier to sweep certain things under the rug (for an example from a different company: the PS4 soaking in a lot of PR, especially after clowning on the Xbox One reveal, with most people ignoring stuff like the system having less in-house IPs compared to the previous PlayStations).
At the end of the day, I do agree with your point that I'd like to see Nintendo try the MK8DX model more, as long as what they add and fix to their games is substantial. I'd be fine if the Switch is considered in retrospect a stepping stone for what comes next, and I honestly have felt that will be the case for quite a while now.
The Switch also killed off smaller experimental titles. Notice how outside of literal Indie games they only published like Snipperclips and Good Job the Switch doesn't have a single Pushmo or Dillon's Rolling Western type smaller game.
The Switch brought back a lot of niche IPs in return, which is something that’s still nice.
well they still put out non-huge IPs like pikmin and fire emblem so it isn't the worst thing
Sega and Nintendo are on good terms nowadays. Expect Sonic to return and to get fricking revamped at long last. Maybe a the next Persona game protag, or a SMT rep. Full copium for me is getting Shadow the Hedgehog added.
Bayonetta is getting cut because Bayonetta 3 basically killed the series and Kamiya left PlatinumGames. But if you really wanted to put in a PlatinumGames rep that still has ties to Nintendo, you put in the player character (both genders) of Astral Chain.
If Bandai Namco helps make the game again, then Pac-Man is secure. Maybe instead of Kazuya, we'd get Jin Kazama.
Sonic's moveset isn't gonna change.
And any changes to it wouldn't change homosexual players abusing the fact that Sonic is basically contractually obligated to be the most agile character in the game.
Unless, I dunno, you just kill him if the game decides he's stalling too much.
I'd rather get wrecked by a moveset inspired by Frontiers Sonic than the moveset he had in Brawl. At least one is somewhat exciting while the other is just a bunch of spin attacks.
The issue with Sonic isn't that he's fast, the issue is they need to take the fricking invincibility off of spindash. You can't safely approach the character because you approach him while he's charging spin dash and you get invincibled and take 50% for trying to contest it and that leads both players camping like b***hes.
i'm so frickin ready to be rid of ultimate. will probably sell my copy when rivals 2 comes out
Reminded this is the opinion of the only group that matters to Smash.
>PP is more popular than Bowser
People always say that 2 nukes weren't enough but I see this as proof that 2 were too many as nips are clearly still suffering from radiation poisoning
The stretchy mouth move is fun and Bowser is kinda the plainest heavy.
Belmontbros...
Damned Castlevania physics.
Everyone in the top row should be removed from the game except Kirby and Ganondorf.
byleth is that popular in japan wtf
Once the DLC was over and nobody could Onionjak over character additions anymore it became obvious pretty quickly that nobody had actually been playing it for about 2 years because there was literally nothing at all to do in the game.
Huge bloated as frick roster that only degraded in quality with the DLC, and absolutely no content to use the characters in apart from a shit online mode that actively and aggressively wasted your time if you'd dare to try using more than one single character over and over again. It's a completely lopsided shitfest.
Smash threads are always at their prime pre-release or during the lead up to DLC then threads disappear completely once all the rosterhomosexualry is finished. This is why I always call people morons for saying Smash should have its own board because it'd be extremely dead when we aren't in the lead up to a new game.
Honestly?
Smash gays (homosexuals) don't deserve Sakurai
I can see through the absolute passion and the distance he went to make the ultimate celebration of videogame history on the last smash game.
It's admirable, with all due respect, but smash gays can't handle it, because all they want is talk about the stupid roster
How many times do have to go through this, anon? No one is playing Smash because a bullshit video game celebration, they're playing it because of who you can play as. Trying to pretend Smash is all about gameplay is foolish and even Sakurai knows what people tune into Smash for.
*do we
My bad
Say what you will about the game now, but when the game released it was alot of fun. Unlocking all the characters made me feel like a kid again
its been 6 years since a new game, basically all the heavy hitter characters people would have wanted are in already so rosterhomosexualry isn't as prevalent, and the gameplay has been inferior since brawl (but slowly improving with each game since), real homiez are playing HDR and PM now, and melee of course
oh and smash 64/remix
HDR is trash, pretty much everyone in my region that was obsessed with playing it have forgotten about it completely after the honeymoon period ended. It's clear people just tried it to take a break from Ultimate and wanted to hit that high you get from playing and learning a "new" game for the first time.
Really? I'm really enjoying it a lot, what are your biggest issues with it/common complaints you hear?
Shokio was right about Steve
since Namco has a smash studio now I rather have them make a One Piece Smash Bros
Melee is still fun.
Ultimate is boring but curious to give HDR a go at some point.
P+ is fun too.
ultimate looked boring despite all the rosterhomosexualry
Project M is a better smash sequel than anything after Melee, and I'm not even talking about the physics
nobody cares about smash anymore
they care more about what skins are getting into fortnite, and it's even better because it isn't restricted to (mostly) nintendo video game characters.
nintendo is too afraid to have a little fun and put peter griffin in their game.
I just want Trophys back
>Switch online is almost unplayable
>Barely any single player content that isn't fun to play more than once
>Online is infested with FE and Tiergays. No variety in character choice, despite having almost 100 characters
>No new content despite not knowing when the next game is coming, kiling the "hype factor"
Sephiroth had the best reveal trailer. Sora was overall best new character
>Barely any single player content that isn't fun to play more than once
This is the biggest and most annoying problem. A huge roster, but barely anything to do with them aside from generic matches. Even the story mode was lame. The Spirits changing match rules was a nice concept, but they got repetitive after a while, and for a lot of them the Spirit you used just negated the unique quality of the match, thus turning it into just a plain match. Like being immune to sleepy floors or strong winds.
>"Erm, no one actually PLAYS the games, they just like the roster! No, I won't actually prove this in any way, just trust me!"
Reminder that YOU people voted for Sora in the ballot. YOU are responsible for the "wet fart" pick. You KH fans are fricking moronic and never grew up until the last minute, so now you have to play with the cards you were dealt several years later.
Oh wahhh, boo hoo it wasn't hype, why wasn't it insert random niche pick, meanwhile you were fricking eating shit back in 2015 picking dumb shit like Sora.
don't blame me, I voted for K.Rool.
How dare you, I got absolutely nothing I voted for in the ballot.
Nah, I was a Banjogay and somehow won despite all odds. I will always be happy booting up Ultimate because of this alone. Shit, Ridley alone already put a big dumb smile on my face.
Sora being genuinely high up there in votes since the 00's is also an equally-fitting way to end the game's frickmassive roster (and I say that thinking KH past 1 is gay as hell) so I'm not mad whatsoever about it.