Smogon consider banning Gems

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gems-in-bw-ou.3703711/#post-9264057

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >caring about fanfic meta

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      frick smogon
      rock is a trash type with trash mons except tyranitar
      imagine thinking rock is good just because of stealth rock

      Trash defensively, yes, but rock is one of the best offensive types in the game. That's why rock moves were deliberately designed to suck.

      no! my acrobat mons!

      coal posts

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Gems are banned doe

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Gems are banned doe

        nice soiman! Do you have a discord where I can find and post soimans like you mister? You're really cool and and you must be like, one of the first Ganker posters! So cool!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          they're from the sharty, 4teen

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can you post the website for me? I want to get these awesome soiman images for myself! I love Soimen! Keep on posting those funny soimen!

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Just search "soijak website" on Google you moron

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              it's https://www.ꜱoyjak.party 🙂
              The /ꜱoy/ board is where most of the discussion takes place

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It is insane how badly s*y triggers newbies
          Almost as bad as Pepe does

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Try posting one on /vt/

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    frick smogon
    rock is a trash type with trash mons except tyranitar
    imagine thinking rock is good just because of stealth rock

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Trash defensively, yes, but rock is one of the best offensive types in the game. That's why rock moves were deliberately designed to suck.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Rock is a good offensive type if you just look at the type chart, but like you said, rock moves are designed to suck.
        In practice, rock is a pretty bad offensive type because it's so unreliable.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >rock is one of the best offensive types in the game.
        gen 1 rock throw is 50 power with 65% accuracy you absolute moron
        rock has been trash since the beginning
        low power
        low accuracy
        crazy distribution

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          hahahaha what a bunch of fricking gaygets
          as if Gems being removed from the game in Gen 6 isn't moronic enough, they want to ban them in Gen 5 too
          It's really sad that Showdown, pretty much the only functioning Pokémon sim, is directed by such fricking morons

          >Aerodactyl doesn't get Rock Slide, despite it being a TM
          >to make things worse Lance has one with Rock Slide

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Learn to fricking read, anon. Rock MOVES suck, the Rock TYPE is good, and the latter is what caused the former to even happen.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the Rock TYPE is good

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        rock types have amazing bulk to overcome the types defensive shortcomings tho.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >squirtle used water gun!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >posting a pokémon with min-maxed defenses and solid rock means that aurorus doesn't need a buff
          Frick off.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          And no recovery + abysmal SpDef to ensure those dangerous Water and Grass moves OHKO you

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Bulk means NOTHING if you're weak to 1/3rd the fricking types. That's why Aggron is PU trash. Defensive Rock-types don't work

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Bulk means something as a Rock type when you have so much of it you shrug off even supereffective hits AND you are not passive. That's why Tyranitar and to an extent Rhyperior have been successful, while Aggron has not.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Bulk means NOTHING if you're weak to 1/3rd the fricking types.
            ? did not stop tyranitar

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Tyranitar also has
              >An important immunity to a type that not a lot of Pokemon resist
              >Versatility
              >Massive attack stat, more than every Rock type except for Archeops, Gigalith, and Rhyperior
              >61 speed, workable with DDance sets (equivalent of 116 base speed after 1 DDance)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                you forgot sand stream + rock type giving him an effectively free 1.5 SpD boost to his base stats

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If anything, stealth rock makes rock types worse.
      Pokemon of every type can learn stealth rock, so it's not like rock types are better because of it.
      And the fact that it deals damage based on weakness to rock means that Pokemon weak to rock get used less and Pokemon resisting rock get used more. Meaning that rock moves end up less effective on average.
      It's like a cruel, ironic joke.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They need to fix Stealth Rock by giving it the same 60% accuracy that all Rock moves should have.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The best way to nerf Sr and other hazards would be to give them a 5 turn timer like weather, and introducing an item that could increase that timer to 8-10 turns.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    no! my acrobat mons!

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >1 moron creates a thread
    >SMOGON BANNING GEMS SMOGON BANNING GEMS SMOGON BANNING GEMS

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That moron is a member of the council.
      And the council only makes any public statements once they've made up their minds.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking clowns. They completely massacred this tier. Can't they just revert it to 2015, before chloro and sand rush were banned to artificially free Exadrill? I swear that was the biggest frick up in smogon history, the tier became unrecognizable after that and imbalanced as frick

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 5 is a shitshow, has always been one, and will never be good until Drizzle and Drought are banned

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        based sandstream only meta

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          just like Gen 3 and Gen 4
          I don't see why that's a problem so long as you also ban Excadrill.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ttar chads we just keep on winning

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Have fun with every team being reuni kazam spikes then, moron.
        BW is meant to be an offensive tier. The more they force it to be a bulky metagame the more certain threats become obnoxious (Volcarona, Breloom, Cloyster, etc). Since 2015 the tier has been extremely unstable and every fricking year they ban something in response.
        When BW was about gaining momentum, speed control and trading blows with stoutlands nothing really felt overpowered except scarfkeldeo.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >gaining momentum, speed control and trading blows

          <Autistic Smogon noises>

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            ><Autistic Smogon noises>
            But I hate smogon?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Anon...
              Smogon is adamantly against the idea that a metagame would not support a safe meta switch in for 100% of Pokemon

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                And yet they allow Hydreigon and Terrakion?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Drought
        Actual ass. Rain, HO and Sand shit on it hard.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Altering older tiers is moronic, it should stay the same for archival purposes.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      gen 5 ou is a burning trash heap of a tier. some of the gen 4 tiers are fine but could benefit from changes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        gen 2 is also a dumpster fire but they dont get nor want changes

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          gen 2 is the best smogon meta though

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Snorlax and friends: the game
            Gen 2 OU is a mess and not even a fun one, it's worse than gen 1's even.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >not liking Snorlax
              ngmi

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I like Snorlax, i just don't like having to always use and fight against it.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              honestly yeah
              the only meta worse than Gen 2 is
              >"Regenerator: the game" aka Gen 8

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Gen 1 and 2 OU are the best tiers

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            gen 2 is the best smogon meta though

            based frick all other gens

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Because a 40 minute battle of two Snorlax humping eachother is literal perfection to Smoggies

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Snorlax (supposedly) isn't banned from GSC OU because the things it overpower would take its spot, so lax is a "necessary evil" according to them.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Zapdos, Raikou, and possibly Suicune would also need to be banned if that happened
              Snorlax is both the best mon in the meta and also the glue that holds the meta together.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They make plenty of changes.
          They just don't make the one big obvious change that everyone knows is necessary.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeh, Rest needs to be banned already.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              No, dummy. Leftovers needs to be banned.
              People b***h about Snorlax's 100% usage, but fail to see the elephant in the room with Leftovers and its 600% usage.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Snorlax (supposedly) isn't banned from GSC OU because the things it overpower would take its spot, so lax is a "necessary evil" according to them.

          Snorlax (supposedly) isn't banned from GSC OU because the things it overpower would take its spot, so lax is a "necessary evil" according to them.

          Zapdos, Raikou, and possibly Suicune would also need to be banned if that happened
          Snorlax is both the best mon in the meta and also the glue that holds the meta together.

          There have been Snorlax-less tournaments and they ended up as even longer stallfests, as people would do shit like replace Snorlax with Blissey or Miltank. EVs being maxed in all stats + few high BP moves means you have a stallfest of a gen. Only Snorlax has the power to break through shit while also being fairly durable.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Samegayging but it's basically a choice between if you want more mon diversity or if you want battling to be more fun to do

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This it really bugs me how they're retroactively fricking with 10-20 year old metas. Gen 3 was my shit but now its a totally different game compared to the netbattle days

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I'll tell you why omgon is fricking with Gen 5 tiering 10 years later. It's a conspiracy by the council because they became so deranged and corrupt in Gen 8 with their moronic fricking bans that the tier is a wasteland that nobody likes. So people are playing older formats because of how shit the management of the current one is, and omgon is butthurt about it so they are retroactively ruining the older formats to punish people out of spite. it's all about power, and they are mad as FRICK that they are losing power over the current gen from people ignoring it to play old gens.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous
  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Setup sweepers breaking their one check with a gem is kind of bullshit tbh.
    Some people like that aspect of play, where you even have to consider how to take opposing mons out lest you’re left with a mon that has to be switched out, but the mind games that result from that are pretty stupid and lead to games being decided on one turn predictions.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      and many sets with gems have no way to tell if it's one type or the other since they are interchangeable and often fill the same niche.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Z-Moves are next in every meta that allows them if gems get banned.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If they ban gems it's over.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >ban gems
    >let keldeo and latios run around ou

    This is proof smogon can't balance a game. They don't understand the concept of base state totals

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Gems enable Keldeo and Latios moron.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        With gems mons that sued to check or threat to threats now can't. A Gem boosted Draco Meteor pretty much chunks or kills T-tar and T-tar is normally one of the premier mons to deal with it.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So let me get this straight,

    Smogonfriends discover that in gen 5, using a gem on a multi hit move boosts each hits (skill-link attacks, beat-up etc)

    The real question is, why aren't they doing the main counterplay of protect/detect? Does it not consume the gem in this circumstance?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >[Your shitmon] used Protect!
      >[Their shitmon] used Swords Dance!
      Or any move that doesn't activate the gem.
      It's a coinflip at best.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Gems are only consumed if they deal damage.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing is sacred to zoomers
    Not Song of the South
    Not Woodrow Wilson
    For their bodies are made of onions sauce, their genders ambiguous, their favorite Pokemon, Lando-T

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Rock has to be nerfed because nothing can stand in the way of CHARIZARD

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hazards don’t need nerfs, HDB exist.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They can't just do that

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >discord circlejack

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No greentext therefore you look like that and say that however

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, so what?

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't care for gems, didn't care for z moves, don't care for dynamaxing.
    Let's just ban all that shit.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >ban Volcarona
    So it's come to this, has it?

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    what's smogon

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >they can use their gem strategically so it has to go 🙂
    huh? Just build a better team and stop copy pasting teams from online

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a brainlet. Can someone explain why moves are banned at all? Just learn to counter them, is that so hard...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm a brainlet

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >picrel
        There is almost no opportunity cost whatsoever related to knives, as they're small and don't take 1/6th of allowed arsenal. Nobody would use them in warfare if it meant forgoing more powerful weapons, they nowhere near as good as Lando-T in OU is.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Fine, let's talk about something that actually puts logistical strain on a army like tanks.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I like that even though Weaviles usage rate has been skyrocketing to deal with Lando you will still insist Lando is a knife. It’s like saying AIDS is not a big deal because “actually other diseases kill you”

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Weavile is good against the meta in general, moron-kun.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Is this a joke lol
            The most common set is Ice shard triple axel sword dance knock off, it can't do meaningful damage to tons of the top threats and is weak to SR. It's being picked primarily for Lando with the added bonus of beating Zapdos/Rillaboom.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >is weak to SR
              All I needed to write you off as a moron.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Lol not an argument
                Go ahead tell me how Weavile deals with Clefable, Heatran, and Ferrothorn which are the next most common after Lando? This is so asinine, the thing is even running a surprise banded set.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Clef actually can't switch into standard weavile. To switch in and win 1v1 clef needs weavile to miss axels, even if its physdef.
                Heatran and Ferro are reliant on lefties recovery, so weav can contribute just by knocking as they come in, then switch out.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Weavile can do something minor if it gets a free move

                Wow! Amazing!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                +2 252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 285-336 (88.2 - 104%)
                +2 252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 285-336 (73.8 - 87%)

                +2 252 Atk Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 200 Def Clefable: 381-450 (96.7 - 114.2%)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Weavile can do something minor if it gets a free move

                Wow! Amazing!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >possibly KOing an opponent, and removing their item even if they're not KO'd, is something minor
                ???

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is this a joke lol
          The most common set is Ice shard triple axel sword dance knock off, it can't do meaningful damage to tons of the top threats and is weak to SR. It's being picked primarily for Lando with the added bonus of beating Zapdos/Rillaboom.

          Lando has been around since gen 5 and Weavile only became arguably the best mon in the tier recently.
          Weavile also matches up well against Dragapult, Clefable, Kartana, Tapu Lele, Tornadus, Garchomp, Dragonite, Slowbro, Slowking, and Glowking. As well as the aforementioned Zapdos.
          It's actually not that great against Rillaboom, getting one-shotted by Grassy Glide.
          Weavile's usage skyrocketed for a lot of reasons, and Lando barely registers as one of them. There are better Lando answers than Weavile, but Weavile also answers plenty of other things.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >BW OU
    And nothing of value was lost, that entire gen's tiering policy was warped to protect the blatantly broken weather wars for no reason.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      they need to unban everything and just start from scrath with bw ou. maybe just start with spore ban because gen 5 sleep mechanics are the dumbest shit ever: SLEEP COUNTER WILL RESET ON SWITCHES

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this, frick gen 5 OU, smogon is full of moronic homosexuals that unmasked their blatant corruption during that gen in doing everything to avoid removing the problems from the tier

        after all BW is when the "fanfic meta" term started being relevant

        They need to fix Stealth Rock by giving it the same 60% accuracy that all Rock moves should have.

        fricking based

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Fanfic meta only spawned in 2019 thanks to one gay furry who got tired of being dunked on for creating moronic sets like rain dance + assault vest Goodra

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this, frick gen 5 OU, smogon is full of moronic homosexuals that unmasked their blatant corruption during that gen in doing everything to avoid removing the problems from the tier

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >frick gen 5
        hello DISCORD

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what even comes close? whats the second worst ou tier? snorlax gaming tiers dont count

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >whats the second worst ou tier?
          unironically Gen VIII

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Gen 4 OU > Gen 3 OU > power gap > Gen 7 OU = Gen 6 OU > Gen 5 OU > Gen 8 OU > snorlax gaming tiers

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ENOUGH OF THE CRYBOYS /QA/ LOST

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gems as in Stealth Rock, or the actual gems that boost attacks

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      gems that boost attack

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Bug types are either tremendously dogshit or suspect for banning

    Frick off

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >>is weak to SR
    >All I needed to write you off as a moron.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    gemmy

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Clown meta.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 5 OU can basically be summed up as "Okay, but how can we balance it without banning perma weather?" Every decision awkwardly avoids this elephant in the room and that's why this tier is still dogshit and shuffling bans a decade later.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They don't even have to ban sand, they only have to ban Drizzle and Drought which is what enabled the Ubers weather wars in the first place.
      If sand sweeping is a problem, you only have to ban Excadrill. Problem solved.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Perma weather isn't even broken anymore now that the combination of weather-setting abiltiies and weather speed abilities are banned.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I find it hilarious how the moronic council went on and on about wanting to avoid complex bans so they did it by making a complex ban of banning a combination of abilities instead of just simply banning the individual weather setting abilities

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think the weather thing was a matter of avoiding complex bans, but a matter of not wanting to erase the weather wars that define gen 5's identity.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >but a matter of not wanting to erase the weather wars that define gen 5's identity.
            This is silly cope by people who didn't play during Gen V and picked it up later.
            Weather wars were waged in Ubers since Gen III. Saying Gen V OU is a weather meta is as insincere as unbanning Giratina-O and saying something is the "Giratina-O meta".
            The OU weather wars were under the old philosophy of calling the game as GF made it i.e. keeping in as much broken shit as possible. That's why Kyurem and KB got unbanned in Gen V while Zamazenta-C did not in Gen VIII despite being much worse. None of that applies to the current Gen V players who have bent over backwards with complex bans to justify Drizzle and Drought on shitmons.
            Protip: Gen V can still be "weather" with Tyranitar and Abomasnow

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Weather wars were waged since gen 3, but did the entire meta revolve around them?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Smogon really is constituted of the biggest fricking morons on Earth, lol

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Shoving mild /qa/ thread on competitive issues
    Basedchad, I kneel

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

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    Watch this.
    *Starts farting uncontrollably*
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    *Continues the farting*
    Oh god
    *Farting is getting wetter the longer it lasts*
    I really need this
    *Stinky farting*
    Smelly doo doo farts!!
    *Sprinkles of feces fly out with the farts*
    Oh noes!
    *solid mass starts coming out rapidly in pants*
    Feels so good
    *Drops pants, projectile shit coming out*
    Watch out
    *Feces starts to hit walls and onlookers in the face*
    So sorry about this, I can’t control myself
    *Projectile becomes more liquidy and has corn as well*
    I’m truly sorry anons!

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    gen 5 ubers
    >no bans
    >very well balanced, considered one of the best smogon metagames
    gen 5 ou
    >lots of bans
    >a metagame so unbalanced it still requires big changes 10 years after it ended
    why is the council autistic?

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The one thing that needs a ban will never get it. Hidden Power needs to be banned on everything but Unown in NatDex/NatDex AG because it allows Max Moves a mon shouldn't have access to due to lacking a move of the type.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Gamefrick nerfs stealth rock to be 60 Accuracy
    >makes it a 5 turn move
    >smogongays commit suicide en masse
    We can only dream

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