So /tg/ the shills said this was gonna be their Dawn Of War and what happened? Its a massive flop and most video gamers agree.
How will GW cope? They needed this video game to be a block buster and AoS is still gonna be a black sheep at this rate.
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HD DoW remake will make more money than shitmar can dream of
Did they ever get around to fixing Soul Storm? I remember it was really buggy and awful on release.
Man, I miss when RTS games were good. Thank God I never invested in StarCraft 2.
No, it's a terrible game.
This is like when Dial of Destiny made less than Temple of Doom BEFORE adjusting for inflation.
lol I never had a bug in this game save for wonky pathfinding at worst.
Yeah it works fine and you'll like it unless you're a homosexual
>Did they ever get around to fixing Soul Storm?
The devs literally died, so outside of potential mods, no.
>No it's a terrible game.
moron. Soulstorm may have been a buggy mess, but it's still fricking great.
>If GW wants to shill stormcasts they should just fund a soulslike.
That'd be hilarious, because it would be antithetical to the entire Smegmar aesthetic and would fall flat on its face. I hope they do it.
>because it would be antithetical to the entire Smegmar aesthetic and would fall flat on its face
Not really. Stormcasts are eternally respawning warrior heroes fighting against impossible odds that lose a piece of their humanity every time they die. It's super fricking easy to translate that into a Soulslike, just have the Stormcast PC be part of an expedition where during the tutorial he gets cut off from the rest of his Siggies and due to some contrived chaos ritual he can only revive at the last not!bonfire he infused with Sigmar's Light and you've got yourself the perfect set up for a soulslike and justification for the Stormcast in question to be trading our weapons and armor.
>four unique factions
Hahaha ohnonono, that means its smemarines, nagash's flavourless hourdes, orrûruks and stock demons noone gives a shit about
I have never heard anyone but the most moronic and secondary of fake grogs call nighthaunt 'flavorless hordes' the factions miniatures are damn near universally loved. Or is just your opinion from le epic LoreTuber videos and TWW discords?
I thought the whole reason they liked TWW more was because it's all generic fantasy, so why do they hate classic generic undead that are one to one copies of their Old World models?
Lmao stay mad, nagash is just a themeless flavourless mashup of random le bone monster slop and what USED to be a cool model range when it was vampire counts and actually had a coherent theme. Go have your vampire lord reanimate a zombie squad about it
OH WAIT YOU CANT LMAO
>Go have your vampire lord reanimate a zombie squad about it
>OH WAIT YOU CANT LMAO
Yes you can
>the factions miniatures are damn near universally loved
By AoS players only, and you people are a terrible source.
Wrong. AOS reveals mog almost every Warhammer reveal show.
Dude, get outside your bubble once in a while. Most people think they're too bland to form a strong opinion about.
ironic
Holy shit those are some terrible numbers. Is the game actually bad enough to deserve them or is the IP just that toxic?
It's ok, derivative game in a dead genre, and has lack of demand. If it were a musou game I'd jump into it all the way.
This is so fricking depressing.
it's not real
Arby's crinkle fries are truly disgusting. Granted, almost everything they make is disgusting, all but the curly fries. Yet since they introduced that vile crinkle cut shit, I don't know if it's a matter of seasoning or the oil being used or what, but you get one single crinkle fry in a box of curly fries and they all taste disgusting. Made me stop going there altogether.
I genuinely don't get why this picture makes people angry. It's just a halfway desperate corporate advertisement.
Wow, you have a really empty life, don't you?
The game needed to be on its A Game. The production values were there but messed up RTS staples. So now the issue it does have are multiplied for being AoS already. I find it insane this became an old world vs aos issue but its clear that
>GW needs to grab new fans through good video games to even improve AoS's reception online
>Fellow Warhammer fans just want anything AoS to flop
Dont even bother to mention secondary for one fricking second I play AoS, I play Stormcasts too, and I like AoS lore. However, at this point you cant talk about AoS in random non /tg/ forums/chat rooms/youtube comments/discords or websites with out eye rolls or groans yet mentioning 40k or Fantasy gets constant praise, memes, talk around them.
Again dont fricking mention "they are secondary's they dont matter" yeah they dont matter to GW but to building a community its absolutely dire online and im sure GW know this. We cant hide in our fricking realm gate ghettos from the meanie 40k or fantasy fans online.
This is gonna be the only level headed take in this thread. We cant ignore the importance of secondary fans at this point but a lot of AoS defenders have used this tactic to die on.
Other Warhammer fans wont help they rather root on the fall of anything. Most AoS hate is always "as a warhammer veteran" GW needs to appeal to zoomers and we need good video games thats it /aosg/ gays you wont admit it but WE NEED IT.
There will be no change. AoS's core is driven primarily by spite. They're invested in a game which simply doesn't hold the wider appeal of its older brothers. When they talk about AoS anywhere, people just think they've misremembered their 40k or WHF lore.
It is a tough pill to sallow here especially but I think some AoS fans here need to stop acting mad about it. Video Game sales may not translate directly into table top but it does translate into growing a community.
Dawn of War made 40k online community explode. Same with Total Warhammer and Vermintide as Fantasy actually got a large fanbase for once. Age of Sigmar needs a damn good game to save its online image. If GW wants to shill stormcasts they should just fund a soulslike.
it doesnt help that TWWH/WHFB shitposters have been using this game to dunk on aosg for a week straight now. i feel like the aos fans didnt pick this fight
This is just a cope. AoStards have been trying to hype the game up for years to everyone's annoyance, but it's never caught on culturally. Everyone is pretty eager to see them get shit on after the first major attempt at breaking into the secondary markets has gone breasts up in the worst way possible.
>AoStards have been trying to hype the game up for years to everyone's annoyance
Your schizoid imagination doesn't count.
See what I mean? Sigtards are delusional and think they're faultless, and then have the audacity to cry out like they're victims.
I'm not convinced anyone shilling it on /tg/ is anything other than an employee of GW.
It's not even AoS in general that gets shilled. It's pretty much always stormcast specifically and with such an intense desperation it borders on delusional.
>i feel like the aos fans didnt pick this fight
Honestly to me it feels like TOW copers needing a "win" after the excellent showing AOS got during last weekend's previews when all TOW got was a derpy crocodile dragon skeleton thing.
I've literally not seen a single person on this board ever try to big up this game
>Age of Sigmar needs a damn good game to save its online image
I don't care about the online image. I don't need the approval of random third worlders spouting memes about krieg shovels to enjoy 40k and I certainly don't need them to enjoy AoS. In fact I wish 40k had a worse online image so there would be less secondaries shitting up discussions.
If you feel the need to say this, then you've proven yourself wrong.
Might as well face the music kiddo, games need new players coming in.
Whenever GW decides to properly fund and not get AA devs to work on AoS and make a proper game then AoS gays will stop screaming secondary all the time.
I don’t give a frick about a shitty video game my dude.
Videogames bring in players. No one would even know what Warhammer 40k was if it weren't for the games and books.
Because it isn’t an interesting setting and the factions do not have mass appeal. AOS fan base is almost entirely made up of people already into GW properties as opposed to it being their first choice. If AOS was its own independent IP outside of GW it would have turned to dust years ago.
So kind of like how Warhammer Fantasy failed as a setting despite being a GW setting.
Actually a smart post in this kind of thread for once. We need to admit the online portion of AoS is dire.
Dont even bother to mention secondary for one fricking second I play AoS, I play Stormcasts too, and I like AoS lore. However, at this point you cant talk about AoS in random non /tg/ forums/chat rooms/youtube comments/discords or websites with out eye rolls or groans yet mentioning 40k or Fantasy gets constant praise, memes, talk around them.
>FRICKING YOUTUBE COMMENTS
> Your priorities are what's die anon if YouTube comments are on your mind. All I care about is if AOS keep getting awesome models and I could do without dead memes getting repeated over and over like *Magnus did nothing wrong*
I might pick the game up I enjoyed DOW IIs skirmish gameplay and the army painter looks cool
Almost as if people don’t like something because it’s bad
> building a community 'online'
Who gives a frick. People who only have an 'online' community don't play don't buy models, etc.
No one gives a shit about you penniless gays but the LoreTuber gays who NEED to you watch their XXXth shit video throwing up wiki facts with stale memes so they can get ad revenue from their fricking sponsor.
Seriously. 'Online communities' are a fricking pathetic joke. If you dont play the game, at a house, basement, or, God forbid, in a store, frick off. You are less than worthless.
>Who gives a frick. People who only have an 'online' community don't play don't buy models
But you're an exception, right dumbass?
>People who only have an 'online' community don't play don't buy models, etc.
I can't afford the models but I bought the WF games, books, and tabletop game. I'm not buying AoS slop though lol.
Existing in spite of seething whfb seconadries is the best thing any AoS player can do
People actually play whfb either burned out of the hobby (literally or figuratively), switched to aos or still play out matches with close friends
its got about a 70% positive review score right now so it doesnt sound that bad.
from what i've been reading, most of the complaints boil down to
1: the graphics are pretty lackluster. they dont look abysmall but definitely not cutting edge
2: faction selection is kinda limited. 4 armies doesnt seem completely anemic, starcraft only had 3, but it could certainly have done better, though im not sure how big their development team is so that may have been a big ask if its a small to medium sized team
3: the conquest mode is kind of shallow.
4: it plays too much like the tabletop game. no base building, maps are largely around objective control flags and scrums in open fields, units control kinda sluggish and get stuck in combat making micro tricky. these are all things that maybe they tried to emulate the tabletop gameplay too closely for traditional RTS fans liking? also the keyboard controls are kinda jank
I find the production values great actually, the graphics are good, the story is good. The issue is its a bad RTS game and thats the issue it fricked up RTS mechanics.
how?
The story is the only highlight to me actually.
The gameplays issues are mostly just weird slow movement, AI shitting the bed, etc.
the ai bugs i cant attest to but how is slow movement a problem in an RTS? thats pretty par for the course
Its not slow in multiplayer but the campaign they didnt speed up the units. You know this game also needed glory kills for wiping units that would have been dope too and not be $60.
like I said it needed to be on its A game and every little issue now its multiplied.
$60 is definitely too much. at $30 i would have been good with it having the odd issue here and there, but a full price game needs full price quality
I fully agree with the sentiment, but in modern AAA gaming industry the standard is charging 70$ + DLC tip for broken unfinished games that might be patched to be functional later if the devs feel like it. So smaller scale productions starting to follow the same model is not that surprising.
From the scale of Lord of the Rings to Ant Man, how good is the story?
Uh dawn of war 2?
It's pretty bad, man.
The story is the only good part
I wouldn't call it good. Maybe the best part, but not a good, or even okay part.
I thought the story was gonna suck but cmon dude you are being too hard on it. The Stormcast part was fine, the ork part was funny, etc.
Even shows proper the flaws of Stormcasts and the ending was proper 40k.
Idk, I'm not <12 years old and I'm not >50 years old so it just doesn't hit.
>keyboard controls are kinda jank
I don't like AoS. I love WHFB (still play VT2, starting my 3rd. WHFB army, etc.). I just wanted a good RTS, especially a fantasy one, because it's a dead genre. The last major title was AoE and it's the first major RTS release in like a decade.
My interest for the new AoS game died when they said they were developing it for consoles. I knew they werent going to have anything like Tooth and Tail. The idea of getting a spiritual successor to WarCraft 3 was right there. And they decided to make a game in a dead genre on a platform traditionally hostile for that genre.
This is perhaps 2 decades too late, but: Tauren are lame, and using giant logs as a weapon is moronic even by Warcraft standards.
I don't understand the no-base-building compaint. they said in interviews that they wanted to get as close to the tabletop as possible for this genre. having false expectations when there was a demo and enough to read about it beforehand is on the players, then.
I personally like the game, the only two complaints I have is that the difficulty varies a lot from mission to mission, from no problem to wtf did just happen.
second complaint is the units not reacting to enemies close by. they'll stand there and get shot in the face. they should just attack any enemies in their line of sight.
but both of these are no fundamental flaws that can't be fixed with an update.
it sounds like a lot of people based their expectations for how the game will play on previous RTS staples and have probably not even played the tabletop game. it plays remarkably close to the tabletop game
Is there no toggle to pursue/don't pursue enemy? Seems like one of the most basic unit options for any RTS.
Do AoS fans get this defensive so quickly all the time?
homie you were gonna attack us either way
I wasn’t, I was just an onlooker you AoS people are kinda toxic defensively
can you blame them? their game/general has been under attack by trolls like
pretty much since its inception, but definitely ramped up since TWW and ToW caught on
>Samegay
>"Help help I'm being attacked by trolls!"
Why are sigtards so moronic? Everyone who plays AoS at my store is 45+, do you guys just not know how the internet works?
Literally a copypasta dumbass
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i think the game is doing alright for the spew of hatred it has recieved since its announcement. I think it needs a few updates before it will be fully on par with dawn of war 1. I think the game forcing you to do more than to turtle for 30 minutes and then crush an AI opponent might scare off the casual RTS fan.
Skimming through reviews it seems it doesn't quite capture any demo. Some say it's too slow and sluggish, others say it never lets the player have an idle moment. Some say there's too much micro, others say there's too little. Some say the unit counters feels too simplistic like rock-paper-scissors, others appreciate it as intuitive and invites the player to plan for their needs and set priorities. And so on.
The one thing most people seem to agree on is that the voice actors and character animators did a great job in bringing all the characters to life in the campaign. So that's at least nice.
I’d say AoS itself is hard to capture any demo. Did anyone here actually “get into” war gaming, or other games workshop properties because you first started collecting Age of Sigmar lines?
>Some say it's too slow and sluggish, others say it never lets the player have an idle moment. Some say there's too much micro, others say there's too little. Some say the unit counters feels too simplistic like rock-paper-scissors, others appreciate it as intuitive and invites the player to plan for their needs and set priorities. And so on.
>it plays remarkably close to the tabletop game
It must sure say a lot about AoS then if people think the mechanics suck.
>Verification not required.
>1k Peak players
>336 concurrent players
>i think the game is doing alright
What is this weird coping? It's bombed. There are games on steamcharts that steam doesn't even SELL anymore that are doing better than it.
There are paid shills whose job it is to put out positive messaging on social media, including on Ganker.
And yet nobody cares about AoS. If this were a Fantasy or 40k game we all know for a fact it would have people playing it even if it were total dogshit.
There's tons of Warhammer games that get ignored because they're mid as frick, what are you talking about?
Funny how AoS has never had one successful one though. Real brain buster.
The rts genre has been dead for a long time.
And it's a damn shame, so many of my beloved game genres are dead.
Why do WHF RTS games sell so well?
Total War isn't an rts
It's a strategy game that's played in real time.
So yeah it is.
Except of course for the fact that it's literally played in turns.
The battles are turn-based?
Yes it is.
>game is a turn based grand strategy game with permanent bases and map control
>only the battles happen to be in real time, with none of the other hallmarks of rts games like a complete wipe on every battle, having to build new bases and units, etc.
>this means it's part of the rts genre
morons
Yes. Yes it does.
A grand strategy game with real time battles is not an rts, just like a third person action rpg isn't automatically Dark Souls just because it has a dodge, there are other criteria that need to be met and TWW meets none of them. But you're free to keep coping.
If a game has racing it is a racing game. If a game has rts combat it is an rts game.
>GTA is a racing game
>Outlast Trials is a hand wrestling simulator
>Monster Hunter is a game about cooking
(you) ABSOLUTE fricking moron
GTA IS a racing game, among other things.
>KOTOR
would stuff like Myth or Warhammer Dark Omens not count as an RTS then?
what? the main focus of total war is the BATTLES, the RTS element. the grand strategy part of the game is there just to provide context for said battles. a game can inhabit more than one genre at once.
DoW1 was almost twenty fricking years ago, there hasn't been a 40k game worth a fart since then. Fantasy is the only winner for recruiting secondaries, and it's too little too late thanks to Jack Kirby.
>another sidecut ACTIONGRRRL
It's all so motherfricking tiresome
these aos hate threads are so over blown only 30 original posters here really?
WHO THE FRICK CARES?
I'M SICK OF SEEIN G THESE THREADS FROM STUPID FRICKING GROGNARD PIECES OF SHIT THAT ARE BUTTHURT THEIR TRASHY LITTLE MONEY SINK GOT SHITCANNED, GUESS WHAT, FANTASY FRICKING SUCKED, IT FRICKING SUCKS, IT DIDNT EVEN GET ONE HUNDREDTH THE SALES OF AOS. WHAT NOW? WHO CARES IF YOU GET HUNDRED MILLIONS ECONDARIES PLAYING YOUR SHITTY DEAD SECONDARY GAMES, YOU STILL LOSE, YOUR GAME IS DEAD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GW KILLED FANTASY AND TOW IS GONNA SUCK TOO, AOS IS STILL THE BEST TABLETOP GAME AND WHEN YOU FANTASY SHITS DECIDE YOUR TIRED OF BEING LEFT OUT IN THE COLD, YOU CAN SUCK ALL OF OUR FRICKING NUTS BECAUSE WE DONT WANT YOU
This tbh, we have tried to be nice, but the secondaries really have fallen off the deep end since FEC mogged tow into oblivion.
>and most video gamers agree.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that most video gamers don't even know that this game exists, let alone possess a specific opinion on it
If it doesn't sell, it means they don't like it.
Ganker is elsewhere, there are already two or three threads up about this game. Politely commit immediate suicide.
what with all the AOS b***hin threads lately
like we got two threads about it
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does these gays really got nothing to say or do on /TG/ then to whine about a game they don't play or even know about?
>Age of Shitmar
>Age of smegmar
It's a combination of three things:
>The AoS PC game just came out and it's mediocre at best
>GW just announced a long-awaited update to an AoS army with fairly decent models
>The announced new models for TOW were pretty damn sucky
Put together, these three things really got some people's panties in a bunch, apparently.
It's called dunking on you fakehammer tards, not "bitching". b***hing is what you do whenever your knockoff game is deservedly shat on. Kys nigmar gay.
>not "bitching
>It's called dunking
unironically saying this and thinking your owning someone
take your fricking meds before gargle TWW wiener again for reviving your dead setting
How does your game have only 300 players though? Like seriously, I've seen highschool reunions bigger than that.
Actually trying to dick measure with secondaries
try to call anyone "fakehammer tards"
The only reason you fear dick measuring is because your peepee small.
heheehehehe age of smegmyballs hahahaha its so funny to hate on sigmar guys lets be cool like the cool kids and hate on sigmar xd
unironically fricked themselves by using denuvo, piracy would have helped this games sales
Problem is aos was originally aimed at a younger audience, to duck under even fantasy.
The problem is most of its players are 35+.
They already are fulfilled hobby wise and won’t play this game for a million reasons petty or not.
Kids won’t play this game because rts
The style of stormcast exemplifies this schizo reality perfectly, the cover art in op especially.
>Kids won’t play this game because rts
I feel like a lot of people ignore this point of course they do, they're just here to shitpost. RTS is just not a popular genre anymore, it's gone the way of the PnC adventures.
Why did Fantasy's RTS outperform it by over 100x though?
Cuz smeg sux, simple as.
Your game will never be warhammer.
>RTS is just not a popular genre anymore,
Excuses excuses excuses
Samegayging.
Realms of Ruin actually sold pretty well as a first entry, and it's split between four different markets: Epic, Steam, Playstation, and Xbox. Age of Sigmar is much more loved by zoomers and younger millenials so it's probably got 5-10x the sales on Playstation and Xbox as it had on Steam, and Epic store sales are usually equal or greater than steams. If you actually consider it realistically, it probably hit an all time peak of around 35k. That's more than Dawn of War would have had, and you can bet there'll be tons of DLC besides.
>Epic store sales are usually equal or greater than steams
The devs that have spoken about sales on epic poor the figure at about 2%of the sales figures they get on steam. This is so low quality I shouldn't have responded. RTS is also not a popular genre on consoles so the sales there were also likely lackluster
Source?
Utterly obvious inspect element edit.
Rampant, unmedicated paranoid schizophrenia.
>No response
Thanks for validating me dumbass lmao
>Source?
https://www.bankier.pl/wiadomosc/PYRAMID-GAMES-S-A-Raport-sprzedazowy-gry-Occupy-Mars-po-pierwszym-tygodniu-8542657.html
Here you go moron
>Some random polish company that sells early access abandonware
So, no source? Awwww. Somebody got caught lying again.
Say AAAAAH anons, here's another indie dev with a detailed breakdown of their sales figures. Admittedky Epic does a bit better here with a net 4.2% of total sales instead of just PC, but I digress
And now I'm tired of dealing with subhuman morons in the internet
https://twitter.com/YvesHohler/status/1519966206169649152
>Lie
>Get proven wrong with actual statistics
>Post a source that proves YOURSELF wrong
Lmfao, smartest 40k fan
Epic has 31 million daily active users. Steam gets maybe 20 Million. You really think they're moving 1/50th of the merchandise as compared to Steam?
People use EGS for the free games. Almost no one actually buys games on the EGS.
https://www.vgchartz.com/article/452389/epic-games-store-customers-spent-on-average-just-4-in-2021/
Utterly delusional. Fakehammer lost.
You've got at least 2 other threads. No more Shark threads.
>TWW secondaries so desperate for a win they post vidya on /tg/
>they post vidya on /tg/
>says he while he constantly posts /tg/-discussion on Ganker threads
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How does someone get so obliviously assmad?
I wonder if models can be ripped out of the game and how high-poly they are.
People need to GET OVER their hatred of Stormcast. This game is called AGE OF SIGMAR, not Age of Lizard, not Age of Nagash, not Age of Elven prostitute. OF COURSE they're going to give the most powerful, important faction a prominent spot. How about instead of complaining you just accept that, maybe give them a try?
You whinging little b***hes should get down on your knees and thank god your side characters didn't get squatted along with the stupid Monty Python faction and the Mummies Alive.
It’s just bad. At this point most people have gotten over the old world being gone but that doesn’t stop AOS from being an awful setting with gay minis that look straight out of a Riot game
>people have gotten over the old world
Hahahaha. Good one anon, no they're still seething. It's why they want AoS to fail.
It has already failed. You are fricking a decomposing corpse of a knockoff game. Anything else is cope.
Why is it always the people who are AoS fans that say this as opposed to the actual old world fans? The only people upset still are the ones who want the game to be accepted when it just doesn’t have mass appeal as we see time and again with the likes of this game in the OP.
You mean besides the other anon replying to my post? I'm a fan of both games but its just amusing to see the rage sometimes. AoS hasn't had any good videogames so far I can certainly agree to that.
I’m not angry, it’s just that everything besides the actual game system has zero appeal to me. I can play Fantasy if I want to or enjoy the games and books, there’s like thirty years worth of content to go through.
Yeah hopefully the old world will be pretty good for tabletop so that Fantasy will have something new for it. I know you likely aren't angry but there's still a strong presence for it.
I hope so too but I’m not a fan of what they’ve shown so far. It’s whatever man, with the way minis are now I can find what I like on Etsy pretty easily as stand ins even if GW aren’t into making the same kinds of miniatures they used to.
>t. hasn't actually looked at anything AoS related in the last 3-4 years
All complaints about AoS, in setting, minis, and rules, have been adressed and fixed a long time ago.
AoS is still focused on Gods acting like Super-Heroes and stormcasts and their dwarven, elven analogues
It’s all just way too over the top. I hear a lot of AoS fans talk about the models being fantastic, but the aesthetic choices are just way too much for me besides maybe the ghouls and vampires which already took their basis from the old world anyway.
I check every now and then to see if anything is worth having and the Freeguild are just more of the same overly designed slop.
AoS could be a Disney property and it would fit right in with Star Wars and Marvel.
>you just need to stop hating the main "selling" point of AoS and you'll see how great it is!
People don't hate stormcast anymore, they just don't like them. They're a failed attempt at recapturing the marine magic in fantasy form and it failed, just accept it and move on. Marine fatigue is already a thing, marines-but-fantasy was already a hard sell and it got worse once GW decided to make them the dedicated ESG farming line since fricking with marines too much was a risk they wouldn't take. Best chance AoS had was CoS becoming the "main" faction, but GW decided to release Inner-cities of Sigmar instead.
I've always seen Stormcast as Order warriors of chaos rather then fantasy marines
Except Chaos Warriors
1) looked much less cringe than sigmarines armor with a fricking powercore on their backs
2) never forced into protagonists of the setting (at this case sigmarines even worse than marines)
3) never were immortal except of DP
1) wtf are you talking about
2) ok, and?
3) ok, and?
>1) wtf are you talking about
About visual design
>2) ok, and?
>3) ok, and?
And this is the reason why they rarely compared with Chaos Warriors and generally disliked/despised
>Order warriors of chaos rather then fantasy marines
This has always been the cringest of copes.
Nope. Choas warriors where the original dudes with giant pauldrons that inspired space marines and stormcast.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/18/celebrate-40-years-of-warhammer-with-a-year-long-showcase-of-seminal-miniatures/
And so..?
And so I was right
>so I was right
No you aren't. since they occupy the same role as marines in 40k, not the role of Chaos Warriors in Fantasy and they are waned as marines (in fact even more)
>muh 40 year old pauldrons
Gets BTFO and copes and rushes to google image for the first reaction image they can find
BTFO by what exactly? All you proved was that chaos warriors have had pauldrons for 40 years. Your shitty pilpul falls apart because anyone can just compare all three modern lines and see that marines and stormcast have alot in common with each other than either do with Chaos Warriors, right down to direct analogs.
>Ganker reaction image
He's right, and if you had an actual counterargument, you would have used one in addition to what you just posted.
*The styling of the original Chaos Warriors went on to inspire the heavy armour that would become the hallmark of Warhammer games in the future, including Warhammer 40,000’s Space Marines and Age of Sigmar’s Stormcast Eternals.*
Thanks for playing
Quoting an unpaid intern's essay doesn't change the fact the proof is in the models.
When all else fails resort to blatant denialism.
He's right and you know it.
>Yeah they are basically space marines. You got emperor, and an emperor, both are sat on a throne, both have grenades and bolters, they were designed to be space marines for the fantasy market
- several GW employees
BUY MY TOYS
That one especially looks atrocious.
>Verification not required.
>How about instead of complaining you just accept that, maybe give them a try?
For what reason? They are very definition of lame and pandering to the least common denominator.of the demographic
Well akshually 2nd edition was Age of Nagash and it paved way to AoS's golden age (with both Soulwars and Broken Realms) that has begun to decline now that the focus is on destruction as all destruction does is roll around in the mud like beasts they are.
Wish it was age of lizards that'd be based. But we got a pretty cool looking special edition battletome so I can't complain too much.
Ushoran really broke you homosexuals
Almost as if people don’t it because the setting itself is the problem. When a literal dead game can have hit after hit but the current existing one can’t even conjure a whimper you have to start asking why
Yeah ushoran really mind broke you, fitting. Delusional clinging to a video game as the litmus for a tabletop wargame
I have money. If I wanted to buy a model I’d buy one. I don’t care about TOW, I already have my fantasy armies and there’s literally decades of content for me to enjoy already.
Why did this game fail along with every other AoS game? Is that because of him too?
Because the games suck? This has never been in contention. What are we even arguing about at this point.
Oooohhhhhhhh THAT'S why we have a bunch of these threads. Damn anon, you got the nail on the head there
Who is this made for? It looks like a fricking megablox set
Cool now post art that isn't almost a decade old
Would you look at that? This looks like it’s a children’s toy set too
>Who is this made for? It looks like a fricking megablox set
I don't even like Sigmar, but get off your high-horse anon.
MK7 scowl helmet alone has more soul that the entirety of AOS combined
I've made my mistakes
Got nowhere to run
The night goes on
As I'm fading away
I'm sick of this life
I just wanna screeeaaaam
How could this happen to me?
It just keeps getting worse. Was GW bought out by Disney or something?
how is Soulbound as a game?
how does it compare to WFRP or the many 40k RPGs?
I've run a campaign of it using Champions of Death and honestly I really, really like it.
It's probably the only RPG I've played where combats are regularly quick to get through while still being fun. You can have big fights that don't take up a whole session.
There isn't much player choice during character creation, but it really opens up afterwards. Talents (the equivalent of feats) only cost 2XP, which you'll get basically every session or two, leading to a lot of customization options.
Also, in a break from a lot of RPGs, characters start powerful and with lots of cool abilities. You can make a Nighthaunt PC who has unlimited flight, can phase through solid matter and takes half damage from non-magical attacks right from the get go.
My only major criticism is that once you figure out what you're doing, it's very easy to get very overpowered quickly, and the game doesn't have the best balancing for the GM outside of just throwing more dudes at the party.
However, it makes a great candidate for someone's first RPG (even better than DnD in this regards) but also is still fun if you're experienced with them.
How does death even work with Soulbound? Do you have vampires and ghouls still working for Order because their bond was forged back when Nagash used to work with the rest of the Pantheon? Or is this essentially an evil campaign?
There’s three ways. You can play undead who have escaped Nagash’s service and now work for Order. You can play a purely Death Soulbound team (Nagash and Arkhan both know how to do the binding ritual). Or you can set a game during the Age of Myth, when Nagash and Sigmar were ostensibly on the same team.
Toys R Us bros…
Half of these are WHFB models.
N-no DONT POST THAT AOS ART!
That's not the point he's making. The tone of the art itself is generic and almost juvenile, a far cry from what WFB had in its better days. Art in AoS always was, and probably always will be, like that.
Ok but who gives a frick about art. I care about models.
Here's your sug dragon bro
.
digital art was a mistake
Let's trade!
>AoS fanboys are getting shot down left and right and they're still mad
I never knew so many of these fanatics were on this board. Is r/sigmarxism visiting?
sigmarxism is a mental illness
That subreddit really is a smoking gun with all the context of AoS's failure as a setting and game.
AoSissies need to be constantly validated and are likely to harm themselves if you don't. Just like another perfectly sane group of individuals with a 41% suicide rate. Oddly enough, only seems to happen with people who latch on to new factions as opposed to legacy ones.
Stormsisters how do we respond?
That looks like WoW promotional art. kek
uhhh... sigsisters?
The funniest part about this is that it I wouldn’t know
BABYBROS HELP WE ARE LOSING
>mindbroken to the point of spamming random artworks
>m-m-m-mindbroken... can't see that Age of Sigmar is the hecking best!
>when the models are good
You're going to have to be very specific.
BUZZLIGHTYEARBROS
It's funny how these threads seem to sprout up every time a major AoS model release was announced,doubly so when the models are good.
This entire thread reads like a newbie trying to generate their own tortanic
secondaries are literal NPCs
The only WOW killer is WOW
Are you the same guy who tried to meme that the ushoran model looked too "dark souls"?
Oh no no no no
You are! You're the same ESL moron who literally every AoS release creates these circular shitposting threads where as soon as you cede any ground you begin spouting one line canned responses.
Nothing you do stops AoS from getting cool new models anon.
You’re actually mindbroken lmao
Is this a discord spergout or just one really dedicated moron? Who even uses this kind of childish Ganker-speak?
The only models smeg gets are ugly trash and esg/dei slop.
>but muh ghouls
WHF models. Not your release, frick off and consume your cities of blxck womxym turd pile.
>Actually all those cool ghoul models are actually whfb models
Literal cope. Are the sylvaneth models whfb models too?
Woahhhh
I wouldn’t be dying on this hill either way they look awful kek
I mean yeah kurnoth are pretty cool
Our characters, our units, our designs. You trying to spin them as slopmar is the only cope I see here. You can keep your half-elf trees, but dreads and treemen are all ours, keep your tard paws off. If you hate FantasyGODS so much, why don't you stick to "superior" new slopmar inventions like stormisraelites, fedora dwarfs or the rest of the freakshit gang?
There AOS now. You get Bretonia and Kang sloppy seconds
No, they are WHF and WHF only. Will always be, no matter how much you seethe. And slopmar will never be Warhammer.
NTA but Kardamom Overlads are pretty cool. One of my favorite takes on dwarves in recent fiction.
>One of my favorite takes on dwarves in recent fiction.
Your standards are low.
Name one good take on dwarfs since Tolkien that aren’t his dwarfs but gayer.
Come to think of it, the only "new" dwarf in the past decade I can even think of is DRG and they're just bad memes in space. Every other dwarf has just been coasting on decades-old franchises that with watered down Tolkien ripoffs
>Your standards are low.
No shit, I'm talking about dwarves.
You might have brain damage
They belong to us now. Cope and seethe, go 40% like your dead game
>Are the sylvaneth models whfb models too?
Yes, in fact it might surprise you to learn some of their models were actually released for WFB! The rest of their line cribs their WFB parent's look, they're a legacy faction, like ghouls, gitz and sbgl.
More cope. Take you croco-dragon slop and be grateful.
This is you
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USHORAAAAAN
>so when the models are good.
You mean..?
ESL-kun that makes no sense. Are you trying to say every AoS model is bad?
Don't like it? Go play AoS or Realms of Ruin with your zoom zoom friends lmao
>calls others zoomers
>uses twitter Black folkpeak
Kel, have the WHF boomer bullies hurt your feelings? You will always have your local AoS transister support group to cheer you up
I am a whf boomer you Mongoloid, I literally browse AoS news waiting for shit I can add to my whfb armies like the ogre Gorgers.
>I literally browse AoS news waiting for shit I can add to my whfb armies like the ogre Gorgers.
My condolences.
Its so frickin over
AoS pigs BTFO forever
At the end of the day, I take pride in not being a no games moron who seethes when a game he doesn’t like gets new things. Can you say the same?
It's ironic you make that claim. With the plethora of wargames out there, it's easy to see that AoS is outright bland. Funny, it's like AoS fans are closer to nogames than the people they accuse of that.
We did it bros, this is the worst thread on the board.
Both if you are from a subreddit or discord channel and you're making it very obvious.
Nothin personnel, kid
Ahhhh the orororoks are coming! Run!
Why are orks in space marine armor
So do we all agree it’s awful now? Finally
It's about time. I never knew saying that about AoS was apparently so controversial.
GamesWorkshop employees, even in their spare time, are unable to stop shilling their products to you even when there is no need to do so.
You could say they do it for free
Could one of GW's employees be a moderator?
>thunderstrike liberators
Stop with the primaris shit GW. You're not going to copy Magic's rotation formats with miniatures. I simply won't buy models I know are going to get rotated out. Whoever came up with this fire-and-forget product strategy should be used for unethical medical research.
This thread reminds me of when people said b.tech was gonna sink GW because it was less woke.
People talking about shit they don't understand through tertiary sources
It just looks like a Disney property
>Just vague enough toward what he's referring to in an attempt to start another argument
I like how people don't even realise that it's total war that's popular not warhammer. As long as it's well made with mass appeal it'll be played.
Case in point the three kingdoms one did better than any of the warhammer ones.
So much pointless screeching... It's all so tiresome.
CA messed up with the latest one though. TWWH3 was already shit but pharaoh is such a bad game that it has even fewer players than Realms of Ruin.
Exactly. If it was Total War: Age Of Sigmar it would have sold shitloads.
The video game doesn't have the brand nor the quality to sell. Despite the fact that AoS outsells WHFB exponentially
>Make a shitty DLC for Three Kingdoms that doesn't sell
>Scrap the whole series as a result
God I fricking hate CA.
I remember being assblasted about WHFB death, but willing to give AoS a chance. I even wrote small stories about stormcasts embarking on a suicide mission to take out a Khorne warlord about to ascend to become the next Archaon (based on starter set, but disregarding parts of lore that I didn't like). With time, however, I understood that I didn't need a soulless pre-made setting to make up my stories. And boy, is the setting soulless.
*ahem*
>age of smegmar
GOT EM
My only experience with Warhammer is the videogames and painting skeletons sometimes. I did not buy this game. Not because of sigmar guys or any faction/lore, but because it is an RTS. Total Warhammer is an rts technically, but barely, I don't know a single person who likes rts games that isn't above the age of 30. t. zoomer.
That game is pretty good though
>add Tzeentch faction
>they cannot anything fun
Grogs get VERY angry when Dwarves are anything but BeardAxe AleBeard
there's a troony on your front cover and you wonder why no one bought it?
My confusion with AoS is, if GW wanted to scrub all the macabre fricked up shit of Fantasy and put people of color/women/whatever in their fantasy IP... why did they make a new IP? Isn't Total Warhammer dragging tons of people into its fanbase everyday? It somehow feels more bigoted to shut the gates on the og setting in an effort to do all the new shit they're doing now. Why didn't they just put new content in WFB.
Developement pipelines. AoS must have been long planned and greenlit before the first total war warhammer game ever became a big hit
Total Warhammer exists precisely because GW scrapped it. They'd planned to kill it and replace it with AoS. They basically said to CA "this IP is dead, do whatever you want with it". That's why it came after The End Times/AoS. It was a post-mortem project, one that GW did not really care for and had no idea would be the raving success it turned out to be. What a frick up in hindsight.
To be fair, i believe making a Total War Age of Sigmar would help greatly to warm more people up to AoS. To get a graps for the visuals and the enviroments and all, beyond just "lol mortuary factory."
Yeah because everyone loved so fricking much realm of Chaos in the third TWW
Well they arent forced to emulate that concept
How else you would emulate fiore, life, death, shadow, metal, water planes then?
Also, no characters for factions
Also2, no coherent map of the setting
Also3, good chunk of AoS armies are meme micro-armies without any roster diversity
>How else you would emulate fiore, life, death, shadow, metal, water planes then?
take a defined map. You dont need to include everything from the get go. TWWH didnt either
>Also, no characters for factions
Take the characters that already exist (they do exist). Invent new ones for the rest
>Also2, no coherent map of the setting
See pic related
>Also3, good chunk of AoS armies are meme micro-armies without any roster diversity
When something is lacking, add your own creations.
You sound like someone who didnt bother looking into the IP for the last 5-8 years
So basically you ask CA to fix AoS for GW
They did that with Fantasy, he's not asking for anything they haven't done with TWW.
>They did that with Fantasy,
Yeah except Fantasy had well established lore for almost everything what CA did
AoS has plenty of established lore for almost everything CA wants too.
Yeah such as map of Ulgu.
One of the first TWW DLC's added fricking Helman Ghorst, a literal footnote NPC as a special character you had to pay money for. If that's the standard than AoS has more than enough characters to create infinite DLC's. To say nothing of Cathay and Kislev and Norsca.
>If that's the standard than AoS has more than enough characters to create infinite DLC's
Except they all will be the same.
>To say nothing of Cathay and Kislev and Norsca.
Cathay and Kislev were done under GW super-vision as main flagship of the TOW.
Norsca was basically the biggest addition done by CA along with Cylostra and Kostaltyn
>Except they all will be the same.
No, because AoS already has a shit ton of characters. Only a few armies that haven't gotten significant attention yet are struggling for characters, and even for them things like Underworlds or characters that have lore and rules but no models yet are available to pull from.
>No, because AoS already has a shit ton of characters.
Care to name at least 5 Sylvaneth characters?
Ffs AoS used Empire as placeholder untill they recieved CoS models and characters in the current year (and still using Dark Elves as placeholder for Malekith/Sigmarite elves)
>Alarielle the Everqueen
>Drycha Hamadreth
>Belthanos the First Thorn of Kurnoth
>Skaeth (Skaeth's Wild Hunt)
>Quthalis the exile
>Ylthari (Ylthari's Guardian
>Elthwin (Elthwins Thorns)
the First Thorn of Kurnoth
(Skaeth's Wild Hunt)
the exile
(Ylthari's Guardian
(Elthwins Thorns)
No models
Didnt stop CA with fantasy
>Didnt stop CA with fantasy
It's almost like they found Fantasy more interesting to work with and plenty of the source material
Do you have an actual point, or are you going to keep moving goal posts any time someone proves you wrong?
>and plenty of the source material
My man, Sylvaneth literally has more special characters with unique models and rules than Wood Elves did, and GW isn't even done expanding them yet.
Also, just in general AoS named characters have a lot more going on in terms of unique rules, models and army buffs than most Fantasy Characters ever did.
>no models
They literally all have unique models except for Elthwin, who is a named Arch-Revenant
>And their differences are going to be..?
>Goddess
>Big Tree Character and leader of the Outcasts, attacks enemies with swarms of bugs and favors spite revenants
>Big Kurnouth Hunter mounted on a huge bettle, literally an Orion replacement who leads the Wild Hunt and has his own unique fricking army rules
>Skaeth, Elf Centaur hero, focuses on Centaur and Faun Kurnothi units
>Quthalis-Lone Wolf archer character, can buff archers specifically
>Ylthari-Unique Revenant Caster who specializes in leading tree revenants
>Named Arch-Revenant (flying infantry melee hero) who leads a free company of slightly insane Sylvaneth, specializes in buffing the frick out of Gossamid Archers
>>Big Kurnouth Hunter mounted on a huge bettle,
So practically the same
>>Big Tree Character and leader of the Outcasts, attacks enemies with swarms of bugs and favors spite revenants
Basically Drycha from TWW
, Elf Centaur hero, focuses on Centaur and Faun Kurnothi units
focuses on Centaur and Faun Kurnothi units
Which doesn't exists outside of Underworld warband?
-Lone Wolf archer character, can buff archers specifically
Oh yeah buff the only Sylvaneth shooting unit, great gameplay, very interesting
-Unique Revenant Caster who specializes in leading tree revenants
So another one-trick hero
Actual point is simple, AoS doesn't work as setting for fantasy video game. And would be even bigger production clusterfrick for Total War
Yeah too bad they all stucked in meme army with less variety than TWW Norsca
>Basically Drycha from TWW
Are you fricking moronic?
Outside of model what is supposed to make her different from the Drycha? Same "tree which gone rogue".
She an actual necessary element now and not just a rebellious force
Alarielle has come to actually respect her in ways
Okay and..?
>new model
>new rules
>new lore
>new associated units
What exactly are you pretending would change your opinion, moron-anon?
Practically nothing. She is either copy of Drycha from WHFB, where she occupies role of renegade tree, or practically the same as the rest of sylvaneth line, which consist of bipedal walking tree with additiinal bug-mounts with very few units for Total War game (where units progression is required).
>or practically the same as the rest of sylvaneth line
So moronic, so delusional.
>Volkmar is practically the same as the rest of the Empire line, which consists of bipedal walking humans with additional horse mounts
And war altars, and war wagons, and steam tanks, and luminarks
Mostly drawn by horses, sorry. Clearly exactly the same unit.
>with very few units for Total War game (where units progression is required).
LMAO, you really, truly, know nothing about either fantasy or AoS.
TWW's rosters are all bloated to hell by simple tricks such as:
>Making every single weapon variant a new unit
>making unit champions a higher tier version of the same unit
>removing riders from mounted units and shifting them down a tier
Never fear moron, all of these same tricks are available to AoS if needed, after all simpletons like you will never know the difference.
AoS ranges that have like 15 models listed already utilize those tricks anon. Fantasy has vastly more to pull from.
>Fantasy has vastly more to pull from
It really doesn't. It just has fewer, more bloated factions compared to AoS. And AoS gets another huge range expansion every couple of months. Meanwhile Fantasy got Foot Nights and a Crocodile Bone Dragon after five years.
>It really doesn't.
It really does
High Elves ranged units:
Archers
Lothern Seaguard
Shadow Warriors
Sisters of Avelorn
Bolt Thrower
Ellyrion reavers
Cow elves:
archers
cangaroo archers
Same with any other army except of sigmarines
LRL also has bolt throwers, which means it comes down to:
>Archer
>Mounted Archer
>Bolt thrower
vs
>Archer
>Mounted Archer
>Bolt thrower
>Hybrid Archer (spear)
>Hybrid Archer (sword)
>Hybrid Archer (flaming arrows)
Not really that compelling, honestly. Sentinels are already some of the strongest archers in the game, so they don't need a higher-tier version. And LRL are currently missing at least two more temples in any case, so it's possible their final roster will have more shooting units of some description.
Plus AoS has many more total armies on offer compared to Fantasy, so even if the individual rosters are slimmer, the total number of units adds up very quickly, and new factions with unique playstyles and mechanics are inherently more interesting than just bloating up rosters with redundant units.
>o they don't need a higher-tier version.
No you need it or either you lock your only range unit on foot beyond late tiers
>Plus AoS has many more total armies on offer compared to Fantasy
Like Fireslayers, Kharadon, etc
>and new factions with unique playstyles
Yeah we've seen it in RoR, such interesting playstyles.
>No you need it or either you lock your only range unit on foot beyond late tiers
brain damage. The Sentinel is a low tier unit in the context of the LRL roster in any case, the Higher tier shooting scales all the way up to Wind Spirits Manifested as Flying Foxes armed with magical bows
>>Plus AoS has many more total armies on offer compared to Fantasy
Yes those are both great armies with very interesting rules and are both staples of tournament play
>Yeah we've seen it in RoR, such interesting playstyles.
You've never played either AoS or RoR and have no actual idea what their respective playstyles are in either
>the Higher tier shooting scales all the way up to Wind Spirits Manifested as Flying Foxes armed with magical bows
Which is monster-unit
>Yes those are both great armies with very interesting rules and are both staples of tournament play
And less units than any fantasy army.
>You've never played either AoS or RoR and have no actual idea what their respective playstyles are in either
You are the one who insist that spamming one units over and over without any sense of scale will work for Total War game
You really do not have any idea what you are talking about lol
Wrong about basic facts and the larger picture and then shifting the topic
>you are wrong
Look at RoR player numbers
Has nothing to do with the fact that you are wrong
>no models
And their differences are going to be..?
>Care to name at least 5 Sylvaneth characters?
And how many BL novels you had to chew to get at least basic information about them?
Oh right, forgot about the Lady of Vines. She's a major special character with another unique model, too.
>Total War Age of Sigmar would help greatly to warm more people up to AoS
>Total War Age of Smegmar
>warm people up
Jesus fricking Christ you delusional homosexuals never cease to crack me up.
P-people only like it because it's Total War. The Warhammer setting had literally nothing to do with it, Chud!
I appreciate that we're so far into raw delusion that we're pretending casual video gamers have delicate refined palettes when it comes to fantasy settings.
Actually yes.
>TW definitely was not an actual successful series before it even got to Warhammer
Who are you quoting?
That is not a quote
Thanks for the serious answer. I'm not too familiar with the timelines surrounding AoS and WHFB's popularities. In fact, I had only been vaguely a fan of Fantasy for much of my teen life and got into the community properly because of Total Warhammer with buddies. But then I discovered AoS and was very confused on why they didn't just try all that in their original IP. Seems like an incredibly divisive waste of time on both fronts.
First time seeing a Warhammer video game flop, little zooms? This shit happens every two years.
I bought it and put around 8 hours in split with the campaign and single player versus AI.
It's an incredibly bad RTS.
Unit AI just sits while getting decimated by ranged or while a friendly unit is in combat 1 foot away.
Population cap is too low for an RTS of this style imo. Increasing it would do a lot to make it feel less anemic.
The rock/scissors/paper is poorly implemented.
Campaign is 'meh' at best.
It's like they took all the shitty parts of CoH and slapped AoS on it.
To this day I still have no idea what the frick were they thinking with stormcasts. It is puzzling how a company that brought us space marines, one of the og iconic supersoldiers, could frick up this bad at making stormcasts. It's like every generic fantasy hero trope rolled into a single ball of generic awful designs.
Zero people were discussing this game on /tg/.
Yes. We get it. Age of Sigmar is le bad. At least attack the setting with the actual issues it has (which is many, according to /tg/) instead of inventing strawmen to argue with.