So, Cynthia's grandma. She's Cogita, right?
She doesn't age or at least does so extremely slowly according to the Old Verses, she looks exactly like Cynthia even if she doesn't seem to be related to Volo and she lives alone in the place that would be later called the oldest place in Sinnoh and home to Cynthia's family.
>She's Cogita, right?
Perhaps
or perhaps Cogita is truly immortal
There is no such thing even hinted in PLA.
The only thing close to that is Volo and possibly time travel to the present rather than immortality.
>There is no such thing even hinted in PLA.
Cogita said she will outlive her Enamorus
She didn't say that.
"Waiting an eternity" could just be a figure of speech to show her loneliness. The "borrowing Enamorus" is meant to show that Enamorus (like all other Legendary Pokémon) is the immortal one and that love is free.
>centuries
Or it just shows Volo's obsession.
homie how could she write the Old Verses if she isn't immortal? Use your brain.
But what if she wrote it when she was younger? Maybe about 40 years ago.
I'm not really denying the potential immortality of Cogita and Volo but this is really surprising, I didn't get that at all.
Read the old verses, it makes no sense for them to be written within a regular lifespan as then the current Diamond and Pearl clans would be very familiar with Celestics.
Why would they be very familiar? The Celestica people disappeared, Volo and Cogita are the only known descendants who keep everything to themselves. The Galaxy Team came to Hisui only 3(?) years ago, while the Clans also came from outside to Hisui before them, possibly only a few decades ago.
Time and space works weird in Pokémon, it might be that PLA is set only a few decades after the creation of Hisui.
>well if you assume that the world was created last Thursday, it actually makes a lot of sense
this theory is not worth defending
It is worth defending to me. Fans keep saying that PLA is set around 150 years ago from modern games, but they're missing that PLA is actually a blend of different time periods and often also seems like a prehistoric era.
>PLA is actually a blend of different time periods
It's literally my mom's colonization of Hokkaido in the Meiji era.
>and often also seems like a prehistoric era
Because Hokkaido was inhabited by tribal hunter-gatherers at the time.
It's heavily based on the Meiji era but not solely. They literally have dinosaur-like Fossil Pokémon roaming freely. PLA could be set in the Pokémon world's prehistory.
>They literally have dinosaur-like Fossil Pokémon roaming freely.
Did you play the fricking game? Fossil pokemon only appear in rifts.
There is nothing even remotely prehistoric about Hisui. The Diamond and Pearl clans are backwards tribals because that's literally who lived in Hokkaido 150 years ago.
>backwards tribals
This is not how the game represents them. They care about fellow humans and Pokémon, and are knowledgeable of the natural world. The Diamond Clan, Pearl Clan, and Galaxy Team, all three have their own unique bigoted ways which are actually challenged.
>They care about fellow humans and Pokémon, and are knowledgeable of the natural world.
This is what backwards tribals are like IRL too. I probably should have said "ignorant," though. They're clearly meant to be primitive.
Ignore what I said here , Fossil Pokémon are found in space-time distortions. I'm stupid.
You can literally see fossils of those mons in the same cave you find origin ore vein
What were those again
It's like 1870s.
>Why would they be very familiar?
Because DP clans didn't just settle. They have had a history by the time PLA takes place.
> The Celestica people disappeared
Clearly for longer than 40 years.
> only a few decades ago
such as 4?
>The Celestica people disappeared
Yeah sure and that whole merchant gtoup doesn't exist.
They likely messed with spacetime and got scattered or a handfull of survuvors lived on as merchants/explorers.
>In the Old Verses, the author describes themselves as "waiting an eternity for the one with the mission", having a friendship with a god of spring, and having been left behind, which mirrors Cogita's description, her friendship with Enamorus, and her experience of being left behind, respectively.
This is on top of her saying that you're merely borrowing Enamorus from her, since you won't live forever.
I think so too. She might even be her mom pretending to be her grandma, but this time she takes care of her kid or she just likes girls more lol making Volo not Cynthia's grandpa
Cynthia is Cogita. Half of her stuff is anachronistic, she gives zero fricks about an apocalypse (because she knows that it all works out), she seemingly knows everything, you can even see Cynthia's dress on one of her hangers.
>you can even see Cynthia's dress on one of her hangers.
proof or you're a troony
Cynthia doesn't wear a dress she wears pants and a coat
Post
In the Platinum version Cynthia says even her home region is a "secret" so I believe this
Platinum isn't canon anymore
Platinum characters got ancestors in PLA. Very likely the actual version of gen 4 events were a mix of all 5 games
She didn't.
Yes she did, stale Unovabortion. Look it up.
Why the frick do people on this board keep bringing up Kalos and Unova at complete fricking random with literally no prompting?
Schizophrenia
Wasn't it unova
No, the only reason why she's in the gen 5 games is because she is on vacation
"vacation"
Uh oh
Why did you post a lower quality version of the same image and reply to said same image
It's not the same image.
Not the same image either.
i can't really see any difference
Go see a doctor. White and pastel purple are different colors.
She's hafu
Anon is lying
Cynthia could wear that to some gala with Diantha
where did she get such fine clothes
cynthia would look great in that
Doubt it. Hisui is Sinnoh 200-ish years in the past and Cogita was already visibly aged in the games.
AZ is technically immortal so... it happened
Have you read the Old Verses she wrote in Legends?
She has been around since Sinjoh existed and will wait an eternity for a hero to come. The verses also talk about her seeing the people she lived with pass along while she stays around and when she gives you Enamorus she says you can keep it for now and when you ask her what she means, she says you won't live forever.
did you guys even play PLA?
Cursed
You're overthinking it.
No, probably not.
She's already a grandma by the time you see her in PLA you moron.
Who's her child
giga gilf sex with 250-year-old ass
So... how are her and Volo related? How are Cynthia and Volo related?
>How are Cynthia and Volo related?
it's a convergent evolution thing like toedscool
We just don't know.
In bdsp Cynthia's grandma is very clearly an old lady, not Cogita.
You can excuse DPPt but not BDSP.
We weren't told the details for any descendants, Volo and Cogita are part of the original celestics.
>Volo and Cogita are part of the original celestics.
I don't remember anything that implied Volo was one of the originals. He's just a descendant.
Was there anything that suggests he's immortal like Cogita?
>I don't remember anything that implied Volo was one of the originals. He's just a descendant.
Sorry, I meant more in the sense that he's part of the "minority" unlike everyone else in PLA that isn't cogita.
I don't remember the exact words, but after you defeat Volo and Giratina, he says something about having still time and that he won't stop trying, like the way he says it seems to imply he's immortal or at least ages very very slowly.
There's also the fact that his non merchant outfit looks pretty outdated compared to all the other characters, including Cogita's. Cogita's dress is Western inspired but reminiscent of the same rl time period PLA seems to be set in (late 1800s-early 1900s).
The whole point of that was to show the difference between Cogita (tasked with a Quest by Arceus to wait for Arceus' chosen Hero and aid him in his goals) and Volo (a man who'd rejected Arceus' plan and tried to force Her to bow to his will).
After you beat him and send Giratina packing, Volo reveals Giratina had a realisation that Arceus' Champion is insurmountable - it at full power and strength got squished and as a result, it begins to adhere more to Arceus' will (protecting Sinnoh in modern times) while he, Volo, continued to set himself against Arceus and Her reality.
Cogita, due to her faithfulness was rewarded by Arceus with a new family and purpose, the area she'd lived in becoming known as the Town of Celestics. Volo died unmourned or marked, because who would celebrate someone who wanted to destroy all, just 'cause they had a sad in their heart?
>arceus
>her
peak troony hours
I think they meant her as in Cogita and not Arceus
>I don't remember the exact words
If only there was a fansite with transcripts.
They were made at the same time and BDSP has a hint to be used in PLA's manaphy quest.
If the intention ever was for Cogita to by Cynthia's grandma it'd be there.
>If only there was a fansite with transcripts.
"Someday, I'll solve every riddle in the legends of Hisui's Pokémon. And on that day, I'll stand before Arceus at last—No, I will CONQUER it! No matter how many years, how many decades, how many centuries it takes me!"
Here you go, my lord.
Your transcripts fresh out of the fansite, implying Volo is immortal and has all the time in the world to try again.
>but not BDSP
Lmao
All are in the same clan. Cogita and Volo might be more closely related. Cogita keeps talking shit about Volo in the kind of way a person keeps criticizing a family member. Volo could have lived like a neet until Cogita told him to get a job.
Volo is from the ancient path, back when the celestica people ruled the land. He is in PLA because Giratine brought him to the "present"
Cogita is likely a member of the celestica people like Volo, but she is immortal or long lived, it is very likely her descendants are Cynthia's family
Cynthia and Volo may be distant relatives by blood, ignoring their design they are tied by their love for history, but Volo is similar to Cyrus in the sense they want to use knowledge of the past as a weapon, while cynthia wants to use it as a connection.
Cynthia and Volo have to be directly related. Volo tries meeting Arceus and fails while Cynthia just randomly meets Arceus in the hgss event. It's just so ironic poor Volo.
Cogita fricked Arceus to create Volo. Volo then fricked Giratina to create Cynthia.
Nah that's the woman Volo shagged
May be Volo's daughter.
Immortal? Dunno, but Cogita is so old she gets stuff mixed by millenia.
Cynthia can't die because the Celesticans are immortal moron
No, Cynthia’s grandma is the daughter to Volo with a kid of Cogita.
volo is a 1.90cm blond. of course he would have kids. woman would be all over that. really dont understand why people don't think he's cynthia's ancestor. looks just a male version of her.
Cogita and volo are probably dead
Cynthia mommys mommy ...
mommy mommy mommy mommy?
The important part is that old Cynthia will look like Cogita
perfect genetics
Is the entire board just Cynthia/voregay mad at Cynthia?
not that I'm complaining, /herboard/
When will you gays ever stop
when it stops elicting a response from you lads, plus a victory lap lasting an arbitrary amount of time
The victory lap is dancing in Cynthia haters skulls rent free
we can keep posting longer than it takes for the 41 club to take you
>not that I'm complaining, /herboard/
Based
Volo definitely fricked her right?
He probably tried, but she seems to view him as more of a moronic nephew rather than an ex-lover.
Great Aunt, huh? I wonder who Cynthia is more closely related to. My money is Volo.
Imagine you're immortal and after centuries of watching the world go by, the only person alive who has even an inkling of a memory of the culture you grew up in is fricking Volo.
I'd hate him, too.
It's Cogita. The fact Celestic town's elder is Cynthia granny and not her grandad, coupled with the fact Cogita is the only resident of the Celestic retreat (which grows into Celestic town) should have told you that.
Cogita is not her grandmother.
No, she's her great-grandmother. And due to where she resided, was the founder of Celetic town.
I'm sorry you're ignoring how very particular they were with how they presented Hisui compared to Sinnoh, much less how you ignore it's one of the few matriarchal societies in the pokémon world but they do make these games for 7 year olds to understand.
Pretty sure when Cogigitas home looks like ti should be Celestic, they put it in the wrong place on the map
They didn't. It's situated roughly where it appears in Sinnoh (north-east of Mt Coronet) and we already have evidence of moving towns, Jubilife Village becomes Canalave city and Jubilife city moves to the Obsidian Fieldlands, so the inference is it moved closer to the slopes of Holy Sinnoh when the retreat started growing beyond comfort for settlers.
>Jubilife Village becomes Canalave city
What? No it doesn't, Canalave is farther to west. Jubilife Village is exactly where the city should on the map.
True but the pla map's accuracy is fricked lol
Oh sure, but Jubilife is fine. The biggest discrepancy is the Obsidian Fieldlands placing Eterna Forest and Floaroma way further fouth than they should be.
they could simply be places that were named in the present to honor places in the past. Regarding jubilife you can tell it is both canalave and jubilife, but as time passed they becamse different cities
Where's the river running through Jubilife city? We know Canalave AND Jubilife village are on the waterfront - you get taken off a beach and brought to JV by Laventon. Furthermore, Sangem town gets established on Sandgem flats (south Obsidian Foieldlands) and Sandgem town is SOUTH of Jubilife city. I'm sorry you're moronic, byut that's why a remake-but-not's confused you so easily.
It's not fricked, your interpretation of it is, because DP's grid-based map design only added what was strictly needed to get the point across and all of a sudden, we're in large open maps without silly things like civilisation.
Hearthome and eterna are messed up in pla tho
This was my interpretation back when I was first exploring the maps. I agree that Jubilife definitely has to move in order for anything to make sense. I'm not sure how I feel about this completely anymore but its still pretty close.
Twinleaf has to be south of Lake Verity and that sort of puts everything else into place as best as I can, though there's also the Floaroma discrepancy. But if Jubilife has moved over time to above my Sandgem place, it fits better.
The next biggest discrepancy is The Heartwood. It's not unusual for the idea of a forest to move over time, but it's got a long way to go.
Also, Ramanas Island -> Ramanas Park = Pal Park, but in DPt the pal park isnt an island but it's across water, so I put it there in the corner but if some of the river has dried up over tie it could still be Ramanas Island maybe, or at least closer to it.
The river looks like it could be forded by a mere bridge in PLA even at the widest point whereas in dppt you have to surf the length of sandgem at least
tbh is the pokemon map even one square km in size? It feels so small
Why do some anons not think that Volo and Cynthia are directly related? Are you insecure that another man is next to your waifu? This isn't the first time I've seen it.
>Why do people think the characters who look alike are related? Is it because they want to have sex?
are you okay? are you having a stroke?
Oof I gues I hit a nerve ouchie
I thought it was the most obvious thing ever but I guess some people are just crazy. Volo and Cynthia have more in common than Cogita and Cynthia.
>grandma
No.
The only loophole of Volo being her ancestor is why Cynthia isn't evil?
It makes sense how Cyrus ended like he did from Cyllene, but backwards doesn't work.
Black person, most people don't even know much about their grandparents, let alone their ancestors from 3 or 4 generations before.
But Volo being so obsessed would surely raise his kid to be as evil and vengeful as him and order him to raise his future descendants the same way until his goal is complete.
Volo probably didn't raise his kid. I bet he pumped and dumped a prostitute.
Cynthia wouldn't still have her grandma in Celestic if Volo randomly fricked someone and left.
Plausible
>But Volo being so obsessed would surely raise his kid to be as evil and vengeful as him
Volo is mostly just moronicly interested in Sinnoh's ruins and Arceus. The sole reason he did the shit was to find audience with Arceus. He doesn't even hate you until you get the Azure flute. His kid won't be vengeful
Cynthia is a historian though. You don't think at least once in her life she would've combed the archives and unearthed light into Volo's insanity
Volo mellowed out.
it's been a year where the frick is the femdom art with her
Check any goddess thread. Do the quiz, cogita is a possible result
Did you do the goddess quiz
Guess the answer is no
Can we make this a cogita thread, cuz why not?
sex granny