There is no technical limitation, the anti cheat would need to support linux in some ways.
What probably linux users would not like is giving the likes of tencent root access to their machine.
>What is the technical limitation?
None, it can be made to work, but against the wishes of some large companies like Epic (owners of Easy Anticheat, also Tim Sweney hates Linux for some reason and can't back down)
The problem is that if Valve goes this route it will initiate an arms race between wine and the industry and that will cause lots of negative press and people to complain that things break all the time.
IMHO Valve is right. Companies need to support Linux period, so there is no need to hack anything and the consumer has the best experience possible.
Fairly sure they're not allowed to include the codecs because they're proprietary/non-redistributable. That's what proton-GE does but redistributing proprietary stuff as 1 dude on github vs as Valve, forefront of PC gaming is a very different scenario.
The only problem I've had is Civ5 sometimes crashing when it updates the modlist. I don't know why it does that but I think it's shit code or because I'm a moron and use cuckbuntu.
Otherwise its great.
It works, but the slop to trough pipeline is a little more convoluted, so it'll involve troubleshooting a bit.
The only things that don't work are corporate dicksucking competitions.
I'm on Arch. What do I do if my distro doesn't have a GUI to install packages?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Then you are fricked.
Install a proper distro.
Using commandline is very bad and you are not allowed to do that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no! What do I do, Linux sister? I've already used the konsole!
7 months ago
Anonymous
anything going wrong is your fault then, even when it's obvious bugs in all sort of Linux shit software. >only ASCII mode
jeez Linux users are really 40 years behind.
so far all i had to do was install proton and winetricks and it has been smooth sailing since then, i think only two games didm't work for me, but i didn't particularly cared enough to troubleshoot right then.
Im on arch
Things just work most of the time. I recently pirated koikatsu with HF patch, lutris worked with wine GE just had to open winetricks and install the winhttp DLL and after that bepinEX loaded, game was in english and worked fine with mangohud and all.
Some games run better like stalker, but it's still not perfect but much better than windows in terms of frametime.
Still stutter when loading in areas which can't be fixed in stalker with the current engine, I'm hoping openxray will work on stalker anomaly soon.
Almost everything I want to play works fine out of the box with Lutris or Steam. The few things that don't I'm alright with restarting into Windows for on occasion, but at this point I don't use Windows for anything else except games that don't work on Linux.
Gentoo, Fedora, and Debian are the only distros that matter btw.
It's fine, but I think inferior to Gentoo in contests of poweruser features, minimalism, and elitism internet cred.
Pacman is an overrated package manage IMO, I find Portage to be both more user-friendly and also offer a greater level of control over your system.
Arch does have the AUR going for it, but in my case I barely used it in the year and a half that I ran Arch on desktop, so it didn't provide much of a reason for me to stay.
as someone who uses gentoo daily on their desktop but arch everywhere else I honestly would rather recommend arch to other people for most cases since its way easier to jump into and maintain
I only swapped after doing makefile autism with -git packages from the AUR
there are some pretty great things like masking packages that break or pulling in specific other packages, but there's also dependency chains that prevent certain packages from getting pulled in for quite some time so its a tradeoff
that said I don't run gentoo stable so I probably run into a lot more maintenance issues than a standard user might
>Why would you use Gentoo as a daily driver?
Because genone doesn't exist, you only have gentoo. There's no gentree either or Gaben would throw a fat fit.
It's dependent on a lot of weird knowledge to make it work, but it offers the best experience for me. I like being able to nuke any programs or groups I don't like and understand wtf I'm installing on my disk. >inb4 you can do it too on any distro
not as easily
The wiki is the cherry on top. All serious OSes should have a wiki.
you have to compile all your software from source code
in some cases this results in better performance because you can use hardware-specific compiler optimizations that wouldn't be used in generic prebuilt packages, but it's mostly just a Ganker meme to tell tech support gays to frick off
>need lib32-gst-plugins-bad/ugly for wine to get videos working on some old games >can't install them because one dependency refuses to install just because it's an outdated version and the GitHub maintainer never released a new version, just a patch that you have yourself to apply
sometimes too much freedom can be a negative if you stop giving shit about your product
>window manager can't remember window size of programs >multimedia buttons don't work even after manual configuration >lutris gives the very helpful error code 256 when trying to install pirated copies of some games >mpv ignores arguments in the config file like the ones removing window decorations for no reason >global hotkeys >can't get streamlink working no matter what
I tried. 2 months straight, I tried and it almost worked. But in the end it's just not worth the hassle. I'll check back in 2 years.
manager can't remember window size of programs
damn sounds like windows to me
i3/sway don't have this problem 🙂
buttons don't work even after manual configuration
just get the right keycode my man >>mpv ignores arguments in the config file like the ones removing window decorations for no reason
sounds like pebkac
hotkeys
??? >>can't get streamlink working no matter what
definitely pebkac
um sweety, servers cant run graphic drivers properly and dont have video games support. i cant play fortnite or valorant or utilize my gpu fully on a linus server
>DBFZ online multiplayer on Linux w/Windows (or people who don't have the EAC (anti cheat) disabled) still doesn't work even though the Proton and EAC issues causing this have been resolved for a year+ at this point >This is easily fixed if 1 fricking Bamco intern takes 2 minutes to log in and check a single box in the developer settings within Steam
Why can't Steam/Valve just step in for cases like this?
It was good until Linux distros decided to self destruct by shoving Wayland down everyone's throat. Wayland gives me nothing but problems so I switched back to Windows after 5 years on Linux. Redhat is nothing but a cancer on Linux and all distros should be ashamed of copying them no matter what dogshit they push on people just to save themselves a bit of work. Desktop Linux is a joke.
I am too afraid to try Wayland and Nvidia after hearing all the pain anons go through. You have literally turned it into a fear of mine. check if there is Wayland under my bed, please!
I wouldn't switch yet but the latest driver (545.29) has a lot of Wayland fixes. I think NVIDIA has finally started trying to support Wayland properly, and while they're not quite there yet it should become very usable in the near future.
>skill issue
it literally is. people would rather let m$ frick them in the ass than to tinker around with their own os because windows just werks (except when it doesn't which is often hence the ass fricking)
the only exception is windows ltsc which has very few flaws and actually works like a proper os without the bullshit. then the only valid argument i can think of is that linux gives you full control over your operating system, and no spying i guess.
>Windows
works >Linux
only works on intel igpus (so you're not gaming, only larping that you do) >inb4 use ayyymd
No amd card has been worth buying since the rx 470 which is now unsupported, underpowered and irrelevant. AMD is poorgay/tinker troony cope.
Nah didn't work, and i'm not the only one having this issue. That's not the only issue i'm having with linux too. For example the flatpak version of parsec not working, discord audio share client isn't working, and I still haven't converted my hardrives to none ntfs(Only 1 more to go)
I'll get it done man, but yeah I hope I don't run into too many more problems. I'm not going back to 10.
Also according to the last stramsurvey only 1.7% of steam users are using Linux, which includes dual boots obviously.
It's a ridiculously small metric.
But you're quick fto find someone screaming how it's so much better than windows (it isn't), easier to set up(hell no), and throw some benchmarks at you telling you how much better the performance is on Linux (which it isn't in 99% of times and everyone knows a benchmark means nothing until you tried it yourself).
Deck is great but not for portability. When I have a long break it’s way easier to pull out my PSP/Vita then to have open the suitcase carrying the massive SD.
>muh %
Cringe as absolute frick that a supposed Linux user would appeal to popularity like this but okay.
It's actually over 4% for English-language users. Before you ask why that's important to or relevant, observe the language of this board.
Also, it's actually about 1.4% overall (currently down due to a huge increase in Chinese accounts), and it was closer to 1.6% just prior to that. When did you get 1.7%? Update your copypasta if that's what this is.
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/
I don't get the point that your butthurt reply is supposed to present.
No it's not copypasta, it's experience.
Also yea I think I'm a bit off because the "latest" steam survey I was quoting is a couple of months back actually.
The point is that popularity is irrelevant to anyone seriously considering the use of Linux, and it's funny that your "muh %" post wasn't even accurate. >butthurt
lol
>t. exclusive Linux user for 5 years.
The frick you did, you were dual booting each time you found any niggling issue you put absolutely no effort to figure out how to solve.
I don't get the point that your butthurt reply is supposed to present.
No it's not copypasta, it's experience.
Also yea I think I'm a bit off because the "latest" steam survey I was quoting is a couple of months back actually.
But anyway, your reply is redundant.
>Also according to the last stramsurvey only 1.7% of steam users are using Linux,
Those surveys are faulty, they also claim 50% of all steam users are Chinese
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/5540051992988936788/
They are vastly inflated by cheaters evading bans and cybercafe users using 100 different computers with 200 different accounts. Each one getting a vote for Windows.
Stop quoting it as a source because Valve themselves admit it's a flawed survey.
If these numbers were accurate, no one would own a Steam Deck.
It's not 2024 yet, but it works for me, might not for you. You'll generally have a better experience gaming with an AMD card vs Nvidia but RT performance still has problems in a number of games on AMD if you care about that. nNt every game is going to work, usually but not necessarily due to kernel anti cheat, some are fricked because of the licensing of the video codecs they use, for example.
If you watched a video showing Linux having better performance in x games and that's your sole reason to use it then don't even bother, some might have better performance but that can't be guaranteed across the board and you'll find games that are the opposite, and if you move to Linux thinking it'll be "windows but faster" you'll just get angry at the first roadblock you find
i got mint running on my 2015 laptop a couple weeks ago. it was fun setting up. the goal was to get dark souls 1 running because ds1 ran great on it in w7 with dsfix.
it runs with steam's compatibility layer, but it runs like trash and i can't get dsfix to work even with steam's startup command feature. i'm almost certain it would run well if dsfix would work.
i have wine (properly) installed but i've been too lazy to try that or bottles or lutris. i also haven't tried out any other game, native or otherwise.
i'll stick with ltsc on my desktop for now ..., but i would like to toy around with linux on it eventually just to see what it's like on high end hardware.
i ran it through steam. i haven't tried anything else yet. i may need to torrent a copy. i plan on dicking around with wine, bottles and also lutris at some point. just need to set aside some sunday morning
as far as games go, ds1 is probably the most complicated it'll get bc that's the most recent game that thing can feasibly run fnv worked but ran like a 360 with about 80 mods lmao
everything else like indies and older games will probably be easy or are native.
>shitty analogy that makes no sense
Why is Ganker so bad at these?
A better analogy is that Linux is like riding a bike, as opposed to Windows which is like riding a bus. With Linux, it might be more work and take longer to get there, but you can go wherever you want for free, and you don't have to sit with a bunch of smelly normies. With Windows, you have to go where the bus takes you, but at least you don't have to pay attention or know how to get where you're going.
Still a shit American analogy.
Windows is like seeing an ad on TV for a vacation destination, calling their hotline and then having them arrange the entire trip for you, complete with obligatory and unwanted attempts to sell you overpriced garbage along the way.
Linux involves the need to figure out where you want to go, how you're going to get there and where you're going to stay while you're there, but in most cases that will mean you can do what you actually want to do.
These comments here represents everything wrong with linux. The one anon used a single sentence that clearly explained the experience of using linux. But that's not good enough for the "linux user". He goes off and says the same exact thing but in a much more needlessly complex way. Does it sound nicer? Sure? But the meaning is ultimately the same exact thing as the previous comments but now much more involved and convoluted for the exact same goal.
>shitty analogy that makes no sense
Why is Ganker so bad at these?
A better analogy is that Linux is like riding a bike, as opposed to Windows which is like riding a bus. With Linux, it might be more work and take longer to get there, but you can go wherever you want for free, and you don't have to sit with a bunch of smelly normies. With Windows, you have to go where the bus takes you, but at least you don't have to pay attention or know how to get where you're going.
linux is like having a button which makes you hava a vacation while having other extremely optional buttons to put sprinkles on your food on those vacations, sometimes the less used buttons get stuck but they are easy to unstuck by wiggling a little, windows is a button which puts throws you human excrement and activates a speaker which says that you need to think that is a vacation while the button gets stuck by the goop that it has.
I've seen so many people online pushing for Linux, but there doesn't seem to be an answer for me to decide whether a change is worth it. Can it run the following without issues:
Adobe Suite
Autodesk
DMM Games
>Gee willickers , I cannot decide if I should use Linux. Can it run these things I've carefully selected based on what I think is least likely to work?
Just stay on Windows.
Adobeshit isn't a video game btw
it's fine
I'm having a great deal of success with RDR2 and Doom Eternal
DMC3 worked about as well as expected, game itself runs great but the prerecorded cutscenes run like ass
this bug is solved already and it's just a program copying itself incorrectly, in windows this type on shit on the programs that cause it are harder to solve by windows installations uninstalling resources from just one folders instead of folders and indexes so this problem would have been worse on windows >but xsessions is d
yeah but it's automatically installed by default on xfce and the only way to frick it up is to use another graphical manager when you choose other, this could have been easily fixed by the user just using the mint download menu which is easier than flatpaks or just changing distro >but moronation isn't the r-
wanting to solve the issue on a harder manner while not wanting to have the solution literally handed on his hand is moronation, windows has these kinds of issues too and is worse by not filling your hard drive but killing your system if you don't do these correct procedures so this isn't even a linux issue but an OS issue which is worse on windows.
Windows wasn't written by moronic mentally ill morons and thus doesn't fill itself up with kernels that it keeps forever. >because it totally makes sense to keep kernel updeet for 10 years >you see at some point I may want to go back to the kernel from 12 years ago >updeet every few days >oh wow, the harddrive fills up >just enter this totally normal command on command line to fix it
apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg --list | egrep -i 'linux-image|linux-headers' | awk '/ii/{ print $2}' | egrep -v "$i")
>Windows wasn't written by moronic mentally ill morons
LOL
It does way worse, it just grenades your desktop one patch tuesday on an update that brings AI spyware into your computer.
https://borncity.com/win/2023/10/09/windows-september-2023-updates-kb5030219-and-kb5030310-are-causing-issues/
>As of September 26, 2023, the preview update KB5030310 for Windows 11 22H2 has been released (see Windows 11 22H2: Preview Update KB5030310 (September 26, 2023)). This preview update also brings the code for Windows Copilot to the systems, but it is not activated in Europe yet. Here in the blog I had already mentioned in the post Windows 11 22H2/23H2: September 2023 Preview Update KB5030310 forces shadow font on desktop icons that with the update the shadow font in the labels for desktop icons can no longer really be turned off.
>Windows 10+11
Not Windows, lmao
Last Windows is Windows 7, but nice try
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Daily babydick cope thread
ok so the winsissy I'm arguing with is actually the winsissy other winsissies look down on for being morons.
TOP
KEK
>It does work
no, it doesn't.
Windows doesn't let you delete files that are in use, duh
And it also wouldn't work without a UAC prompt either lmao
And it's still not INSTALLING STEAM using official means, who then break your fricking system, moron.
>no, it doesn't.
On your version of Windows it totally does LOL
7 months ago
Anonymous
>7
an OS which microshit tre to remove to put you on new versions to make you pay and still had the shit of:
windows literally does that by windows update having increasing updates which stack on top of each other, linux has updates which delete older files in exchange of new ones and are easy to return from installing an older package.
at most is an OS issue based around updates causing this on differing periods (increases your hard drive size by 1 or 2 megs each 2 weeks on linux or fills a gb every month on windows, still better, optional and fixable on the package manager with ui in most debian distros and even stock debian) and at worse windows gives harmful unavoidable updates which frick your system, hard drive and even cause the system to break while giving worse security, performance and functions and we are living on the worse case scenario
7 months ago
Anonymous
>tre >to remove
ESL or moron?
>wow, so exactly what I said
No, actually the opposite of what you said. >You implied that he was doing some SUPER DANGEROUS fix !!
Yes >! RED FLAG !!! RED FLAG !!!
Yes and Yes
You can see these red flags on
-The Package manager (Warns him on this operation)
-APT (warns him of this operation)
-APT AGAIN (tells him not to do it)
That's three red flags he ignored to get to that point.
There is no defending the man, he ignored warnings from his operating system specifically telling him what would happen because he thought "It's all linux bullshit who cares" then complained when his OS broke.
>warns
it actually says that it doesn't really know, but it maybe be a problem, but maybe not.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>>to remove
What's wrong with "to remove"? That's a normal thing to say in English.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>What's wrong with "tre"? That's a normal thing to say in pajeet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Answer my question anon
7 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry sirs I will not redeem your question.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>tre is English
Ugga ugga bugga, poo in toilet now
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Windows Vista+7
Not Windows, lmao
Last Windows is Windows XP, but nice try
windows literally does that by windows update having increasing updates which stack on top of each other, linux has updates which delete older files in exchange of new ones and are easy to return from installing an older package.
at most is an OS issue based around updates causing this on differing periods (increases your hard drive size by 1 or 2 megs each 2 weeks on linux or fills a gb every month on windows, still better, optional and fixable on the package manager with ui in most debian distros and even stock debian) and at worse windows gives harmful unavoidable updates which frick your system, hard drive and even cause the system to break while giving worse security, performance and functions and we are living on the worse case scenario
Not true. Windows actually damn near reinstalls itself after each major/cumulative update. That's why settings reset. MS has to worry about morons installing garbage and fricking up their system then blaming windows for "slowing down"
Slow down is a myth on windows btw
Technically this could be true. If you ONLY play the currently popular multiplayer games anti-cheats block you from playing four out of the five games you play, then this might be the case for you.
I have Mint installed right now and the literal only game that keeps Windows 7 installed right now is Space Station 13.
Byond is never getting ported to Linux and it will probably not even work on Windows 12 because of the strict requirement for Internet Explorer 11 to even work. The creator also said he will never port it to Microsoft Edge which would fix 99% of these problems and let it be played on Linux and W12 alike.
Funny because Space Station 14 works on Linux natively but then you're playing SS14 and all the furries and trannies who are shaping that into a furry sex simulator.
Also I can't get NFS High Stakes, the 90's racing game, to detect my gamepad
They melt down the same way if you tell them you're still running Windows 7.
Microsoft call center employees genuinely believes the company 'likes' them and is keeping them employed so they act like monkeys when you don't have their latest product. They're exactly like Apple fanboys circa 2012.
lutris and wine for piracy is cancer. for example gog-games.to installers install without problem for me using proton-ge but if i try to run the gog update installers they always fricking refuse to find the game destination. don't fall for the linux meme if you want to pirate. its not worth it.
since you're using proton they might just be bubblewrapped etc. and having issues trying to go outside of their prefix
are you installing everything in the same prefix, an external or dir like ~/Games?
>update installers
You have to click on the game and select "Run EXE in Wine Prefix" from a pop up context menu next to the wine icon at the bottom, then select the update file.
>NVidia cards are basically fixed now, right
No, lmao >I want to upgrade to a spare 2070 I have on my second computer with a 6600
RX 6600 > RTX 2070 on Linux
https://www.phoronix.com/review/radeon-rx6600-linux/7
Exactly the same as they do on Windows. Which is the issue. AMD has shit Windows drivers, but the Linux exclusive drivers are far better than Nvidia's.
Like cards that perform the same on Windows, the Nvidia card will be about the same with 5%, and the AMD card will be 10-15% faster than the Nvidia card.
RDNA2 has gotten a lot of work for the Deck so it is a special case and those cards are performing up to 33% faster.
Its gotten so bad for Nvidia that they aren't providing review hardware to Linux sites anymore. The 4090 still brute forces its way to the top of performance lists, but not nearly by the margin it should for the price.
There are open drivers for Nvidia hardware now, but they are at the state the open source AMD drivers were 10 years ago. Barely able to start running games at 60fps if you have the highest-end cards.
They do not and cannot work, because nvidia cards require a vendor signature to work properly. There is no hope of nvidia cards ever getting usable open source drivers until this fact changes. When it does, it will probably not take that long.
no
you can get them to work, and nvidia did release a new driver that fixes some of the issues
but you'll always be beholden to nvidia's "charity" unless they finally open source their drivers
Fun, I just beat Risk of Rain 2 Void boss with mods with a friend, playing as the Heretic because my build was fricked, so I just fricked it even more, resulting in a broken build.
its a lot of fun! >Steam Deck
Retro Deck got me back into retro gaming. It's just so comfy to lounge on my bed playing Banjo Kazooie. >PopOS
I've only had issues with The Sinking City, Black Mesa and Civ Beyond Earth. Other than that it's been as good or better than Windows.
if it's wayland, idk how that works but if it's X, it's really easy to do. Just start in a terminal (ctrl + alt + F1 or F2 while it's booting), login with your account, clean your drivers and update them. Maybe rebuild the xorg.conf file which I think happens anyway, and reboot.
>Windows >doesn't doesn't let you remove anything and even if you get rid of a specific feature or software yourself there might be issues or Windows will simply reinstall it when the next unavoidable update happens
>Linux >lets you unistall the bootloader if you really wanna do it
The pride icon appears if you follow gay shit with your account and have it configured to push news into your feed, otherwise it doesn't appear.
Wrong
It appears regardless of if you subscribe to gay shit or not. It's there in June, most of you have widgets disabled so you don't notice it.
The one YOU'RE thinking of is in the Search bar, which you can disable by telling Search not to push 'relevant interests and advertisements' because having one monument to gay shit isn't enough for Winhomosexuals LOL
how very weird that many many people are not getting it, but people that want to shitpost do get it, very interesting...
7 months ago
Anonymous
>live in muslim shithole >surprise you ain't getting any homosexual propaganda
7 months ago
Anonymous
What's actually very weird is that wintrannies with actual troony flags built in to their OS come to linux threads to project how gay they are onto others. Frick off wintroon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>live in muslim shithole >surprise you ain't getting any homosexual propaganda
you're not fooling anyone, you're trannoids and are getting the ads on your default windows VMs inside your arch installs. Show your desktop. I 100% bet there is tranime in there.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't use windows because I'm not a moronic troony homosexual, now go dilate.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I knew it
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's really not possible to project any harder than wintrannies with their troony flag taskbars. Bill Gates could come shove a dildo up your ass and you'd be in here screaming about how everyone else is gay.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST HAVE A LGBT FLAG ON YOUR DESKTOP....T-THAT MEANS YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM IS S-SHIT
7 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly yeah.
It's a sign of fricked priority from the developers.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, that is correct, wintroony.
right, but linux can have like 40% troony Rust code on the kernel and be supported and used by troonys but thats okay?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Better than pajeets.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Windows is also getting Rust'd, the wintroony is projecting.
7 months ago
Anonymous
damn, microshit must be gettin desperate.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You just defended the troony flag on your OS so we know there is at least one troony using windows. Why are you even still here?
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, that is correct, wintroony.
7 months ago
Anonymous
On linux you can fork away from the eunuchs pushing their sodomy. But on windows you are Lot being egged on by the homosexuals to submit.
>use Windows emulator >no, you can't look behind the scenes
It's literally cheating heaven and thus all of them should get banned for all competitive multiplayer >no, you can't check the files, or the kernel, or anything at all >wtf, I am totally not cheating >just trust me brah
>the only way to detect cheaters is to allow us to install kernel-level spyware on your machine, trust us bro >oh yes daddy Apex, give me more of your spyware cummies
I don't play homosexual eboy shooters like valorant or apex, but you're a moron if you think it's acceptable to install this kind of anticheat when they could very easily and more effectively detect cheaters on the server itself. Keep taking it up the ass.
>I don't play
Good, so why do you care? >anticheat le bad >just trust me brah
Good, play cheater lobbies for all multiplayer games.
Anticheat exists because you can't trust morons like you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I care because morons like you who believe everything companies say make the landscape worse for everyone. They shouldn't be allowed to install this spyware on your machine. Even if you don't care about being spied on, they're using your drive space for no reason. They could be doing it in their own hardware.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>muh spyware >just trust me brah, I'm not using an aimbot
I don't, and you belong banned. >you can detect aimbots and wallhacks server-side
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you can detect aimbots and wallhacks server-side
Yes, dipshit. Why am I not surprised a wintoddler is this tech illiterate?
7 months ago
Anonymous
No.
The game client has to get a message that a player is near you with exact position.
Unless of course you want that every game is not running on your computer anymore, but is streamed and running on someone else's computer.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You have no clue how multiplayer games work. Just stay in your wintoddler playpen and be quiet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>a game client doesn't need to know positions of players that are near you >just send the positions when you calculated that they are fully visible on the client >before that there is no need to send any positions >also frick audio, audio should be disabled anyway
>Windows 7 dies
"Yeah, i am still not switching to gay ass Linux - I don't mind Windows 10 being spyware - Everyone already has my data anyway and i can get rid of most of the spyshit by tinkering my system a lot and blocking all MS ports on my router" >Windows 10 support dies in 2025
"I will just switch to Windows 11 - yes i know about Pluton and MS being able to track literally everything i do on my system - I am still not installing Linux - i already gave up most control with Windows 10 anyway so whats the big deal?" >Windows 11 gets replaced by MS new upcoming cloud OS
Still not switching to Linux - I actually like how Microsoft is now hosting all my data. I don't even have my own harddrive anymore. Piracy is basically dead anyway and modern games suck i wouldn't download those anyway - It's just 5 bucks a month for Windows 12 basic shut the frick up and stop complaining"
>>You want privacy? but you own a smartphone right? LOL
this is true
Nothing wrong with smartphones as long as you keep it isolated.
Sure, Let Google/Apple know that BIGNIGDIGGER is spending a lot of time in the McD at Times Square and the local library.
The only issue is most users buy prebuilt hardware designed to run Windows, and will never consider doing anything other than buying a prebuilt system with an OS already installed.
Of course that works both ways, all it took was one major pre-installed Linux gaming system for users on Steam to more than double and pass MacOS X and Windows 7 years before anyone expected it previously.
With the rate Valve is selling Steam Decks now, Linux might be 10% of English-speaking users by this time next year.
That#s the core issue really. People hate doing system management in any possible way.
Most people who buy the Steam Deck of course run it with SteamOS as intended. Just like people who buy prebuilds stick to the already installed version of Linux.
It's all a matter of convience and no major switch to Linux will happen unless systems come with Linux pre-installed or Windows gets so incredibly bad that people have no choice but to abandon it - which probably won't happen until their Cloud OS shit really starts becoming a thing with many refusing to switch simply because they don't wanna pay a sub for a fricking OS.
I'm honestly surprised that the autism of the linux community has allowed them to make not only Genshin Impact but also most of Hoyoverse gacha playable on Linux
Being able to play Genshin on Linux or not was the last thing keeping me on windows
Here's hoping they're autistic enough to make Girl's Frontline 2 playable when it comes out
DXVK and with that proton plus Steam Deck only exist because one german guys autism wouldn't allow him to dualboot into Windows for Nier Automata. He wrote an entire translation layer just to play this game on his Linux distro.
in that case it was actually true, because Steam package was fricked up or something
should maintainer of that package be eternally bullied for fricking up exactly when spotlight was on that distro?
should his frickup be hanged and displayed as a warning to other maintainers?
It was not actually true. It took the DE out back and shot it but the system was still functional, as shown immediately after with him logged into a TTY. He solved it the Windows way by doing a complete OS reinstall but didn't dare bother google random terminal commands now.
Besides some games that games that devs don't care to do tiny amount of work to make them playable; better than windows gaming by far and miles ahead of igay gaming
I'm dumbfounded that Dead Space 2023 runs better on proton than on native windows
The worst part is that it's far from the only game where that's the case
Its because nothing is 'native' anymore on Windows. Drivers developed for Windows often use an internal vendor API higher-level than Vulkan to implement D3D. Plus of course win32 applications have run through a compatibility layer on NT OSes from the start.
Some hardware vendors have already started to change the way they do things, Intel was straight up using DXVK in their Windows drivers because it was better than what they had before.
I'm dumbfounded that Dead Space 2023 runs better on proton than on native windows
The worst part is that it's far from the only game where that's the case
Sad thing is that most game would perform better on GNU/Linux than Windows even with just Wine/Proton if develpores only did some optimization. But with SteamOS maybe it changes in future.
why is R6 borked?
I'm sorry for your enjoyment of Handball 2030
everything else looks fine
if I were you, I would start dual-booting
big Linux partition, small Windows one just for those two games
Looks fine to me.
Sorry your trash OS doesn't run games without having to spend hours tweaking it and even then it won't work as intended. Literally wasting money on hardware that the OS will never fully utilize.
why is R6 borked?
I'm sorry for your enjoyment of Handball 2030
everything else looks fine
if I were you, I would start dual-booting
big Linux partition, small Windows one just for those two games
>this ancient game that's easily emulated on a PSP can't run native on loonix without changing shit and still having bugs and glitches >troonix supporters defend this
>when I could just play it NATIVE
Its not native on Windows. The download includes the ROM. It just runs through an outdated version of the same emulator compiled for Windows.
I bought all the NEO GEO games I could years ago, and I run them legally with an emulator. Wish more companies would do the same.
I love how desperate the strawmanning gets when you tell a windows user; yes, you can play video games. God I love linux. It lives so rent free in your homosexual head you'll willing to waste hours of your life crying about its existence online.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>strawmanning
it's not a strawman when these things literally happened to me when i tried to game on linux. FOSS is a good thing, but you're never winning anybody over by presenting yourselves as homosexual tech elitists and fighting made up boogeymen "microsoft worshippers". i like to PLAY my video games, not tinker with a computer until video games can even run on it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>i like to PLAY my video games, not tinker with a computer until video games can even run on it.
Maybe you should get a Nintendo Switch then because you constantly have to do that on windows, too, there's even a big website about it.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Home
7 months ago
Anonymous
is this supposed to be a gotcha? no shit old unsupported abandonware needs fan patches to function on modern hardware and OSes. the difference is that linux needs this kind of troubleshooting ALL THE TIME with ANY game that doesn't run natively on it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the difference is that linux needs this kind of troubleshooting ALL THE TIME
LOL, no. Things mostly just work. When they don't the most common fix is simply changing the compatibility tool being used for a more recent version, or using the GE version.
>with ANY game that doesn't run natively on it.
Same deal with modern Windows. Nothing is native, and you have less tools at your disposal. Devs have to do a ton of work behind the scenes to keep things running every time Windows updates and changes their compatibility layer.
This is the real reason Valve is investing in Proton BTW. The whole idea is Valve ultimately wants to use Proton everywhere.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>modern >nothing works >it's for me, le modern audience, with its tablet style teletubby UI >it's the fault of the games, not the fault of the OS
lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
>linux needs this kind of troubleshooting ALL THE TIME with ANY game that doesn't run natively on it.
No, it really doesn't, most of the games that need tinkering with are the same ones in my steam library that I had to tinker with on windows and some of those I don't even have to tinker with anymore on linux. Otherwise you select the proton version and run the game. I don't consider clicking a drop down menu as "tinkering" and that's all it takes to play most games.
>broken memory caching causing the game to hitch every time new assets need to be loaded and rendered
The ironic part of this shitpost is in reality Elden Ring had its shader caching problems fixed on day 1 on linux while windows was fricked for weeks.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>that soya sauce face
I hate the modern world.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Elden Ring had its shader caching problems fixed on day 1
God bless proton
>the user told it to do
Wrong. Why the frick would an OS give you the option to nuke your entire PC when you install Steam???? regardless if the user selects yes or no, it was the OS that gave the prompt, it's so shit.
Nothing was "nuked" you tech illerate homosexual moron. The desktop environment was removed and could have easily been added back even after a reboot and been back to normal in less than a minute. >regardless if the user selects yes or no, it was the OS that gave the prompt, it's so shit.
So you want your computer to baby you and override your choices even when you manually confirm you know what you're doing? Fricking dipshit, stay on mac or windows.
My install is going on 4 years, keep seething wintroon
https://unlocked.microsoft.com/pride/
7 months ago
Anonymous
>like your OS keeps trying to do
my homo, you do realise that industry uses Linux because of it's rock-solid stability?
you trying to insult me by calling me mentally stable?
peak clown world
7 months ago
Anonymous
>rock-solid stability
lmao
yeah next to it's "security"
It gets used BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Windows killed itself (and my data along with it).
Linux hasn't done it so cope, winjeet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking incompetent pajeets everywhere are the big problem, remember the Boeing crashes. Also, a pajeet made his own meme distro called Garuda and somehow managed to delete everybody's home directories after pushing an update.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Its even funnier considering that reinstalling windows on a drive that had a corrupted windows is impossible even after wiping the drive.
But installing linux on that drive? Works like a charm.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>reinstalling windows on a drive that had a corrupted windows is impossible even after wiping the drive.
Source? I never had this kind of problem with windows before I moved to linux. Can't you just reformat?
7 months ago
Anonymous
My personal experience.
Windows wouldn't install properly on a formatted drive.
>Wrong. Why the frick would an OS give you the option to nuke your entire PC when you install Steam????
It didn't, you see if you or Linus read that prompt: He had to specifically enter the administrator environment (red flag #1) tell the operating system to ignore all safety checks (red flag #2) not read the prompt telling him what those checks were doing (red flag #3) and finally, at the very last part, tell the operating system in a clear and concise manner
>YES >FOR FRICK'S SAKE >DO AS I SAY
It didn't give him the "option", he forced the OS to do it. It's like saying Winblows sucks wiener because you can go right into the C:Windows directly and shift+delete System 32 and only have to press "YES!" to one prompt to let it happen
Like
What the frick do you want the OS to do? It had more guardrails to keep that from happening than Windows does deleting System32.
linus only installed steam, he didn't run any code to nuke the machine, he only tried to install steam and linux being so shit said, ok but you have to nuke your machine first.
7 months ago
Anonymous
At the time he did it, it was a known issue with that package, and had been publicized.
Not saying he knew because I doubt he follows Linux news, but he also managed to perfectly follow the steps to produce the problem and ignored a warning.
If he had done any of the recommended things when installing packages, like updating the repository, he wouldn't have had the problem.
Maybe he really is that dumb, but it reeks of the same scent as when "Top Gear" reviewed battery electric cars and had them 'break down' to match the script even though there was nothing wrong with them.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So why did he say "ok, nuke my machine then" instead of at least googling the issue first?
Let's be real, he ran into a stupid issue and as a youtube "content creator", saw a really good opportunity for content and ran with it. Sure, Poop OS maintainers should've never let it happen, but Linus also created the whole shitshow on purpose.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Linus the Cuck hates Linux so he goes out of his way to make it look bad. I’m glad to see his little soilent empire starting to fall.
He’s also a paid nShitia shill who knocks AMD every chance he gets too
7 months ago
Anonymous
>linus only installed steam
No, he didn't, to do what he was asking the computer to do: he had to install
-A new desktop environment
-New desktop libraries
-New version of Xorg
You can see it on the edge of this cropped picture
>Install Steam >Linux: ARE YOU TRYING TO DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER?!!!
that it was asking him to install every single thing under the sun EXCEPT STEAM
If he had read that, he would realize this.
You wouldn't uninstall system32 because a program asks you to, right anon?
>He had to specifically enter the administrator environment (red flag #1) tell the operating system to ignore all safety checks (red flag #2)
what the frick are you talking about lmao
You need to enter sudo or an administrator mode with su in order to execute update commands. It's pretty explicit about which is which because this is the administrator mode of Linux.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>You need to enter sudo or an administrator mode with su in order to execute update commands.
That's a normal function that everyone does when they want to install a package. It's not some kind of red flag lmao
>He had to specifically enter the administrator environment (red flag #1) tell the operating system to ignore all safety checks (red flag #2)
what the frick are you talking about lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
>he can't read
stay on windows
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm a linuxgay. You're just making shit up at this point. He opened a terminal and used his package manager to install software like you're supposed to.
poopOS was bugged and saw a collision between steam and X11, and thought it needed to remove X11 to continue. It was wise enough to see that removing X11 was a bad idea so it forced him to type a prompt to continue. Being the brainlet that he is, he didn't even bother to read or attempt to understand what he was doing. There is equal blame to go around between user error and poopOS being a piece of shit here.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm a linuxgay. You're just making shit up at this point. >He opened a terminal and used his package manager to install software like you're supposed to.
No, you're just lying. You can see in Linus' own screenshot that it was telling him what it was going to do:
>Install Steam >Linux: ARE YOU TRYING TO DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER?!!!
He just fricking ignored it. He didn't "OH I JUST OPENED UP TERMINAL AND INSTALLED LIKE NORM-" Bullshit, he even says in the video: His package manager wouldn't let him install Steam because of said changes it had to make to the system. What he did was then go into the terminal, force Apt to install Steam, and when apt came back and told him all of the shit changes it would have to do to the system, he wrote
>YES >DO >AS >I >SAY
You can dilate and rumble all day about this, but ultimately, he made multiple conscious decisions to make this happen. It wasn't "Oh I opened my package manager and my computer deleted itself". You're just lying.
>You need to enter sudo or an administrator mode with su in order to execute update commands.
That's a normal function that everyone does when they want to install a package. It's not some kind of red flag lmao
Literally no it's not fricking lol. My software manager only does that when it wants to change system packages. Userland packages are all fair game.
Just checked, Steam does prompt for an admin password to install but it doesn't touch any system package on the computer. Literally, Linus nor any of the wintards defending him can't read.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, what the frick are you talking about? You have to prefix sudo to install a package. That's normal behavior.
>Steam does prompt for an admin password to install but it doesn't touch any system package on the computer.
Apt by its very nature touches systems packages. That's its entire purpose. I didn't see the exact commands he entered, but doing something like sudo apt install steam would be an extremely normal thing to do.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Dude, what the frick are you talking about? You have to prefix sudo to install a package. That's normal behavior.
You can literally open up your package manager right now and sync updates and it won't do that at all until it's ready to download and install. Which is what he should have done. >Apt by its very nature touches systems packages
And? >. I didn't see the exact commands he entered,
You can infer what it was from the command he entered
>Install Steam >Linux: ARE YOU TRYING TO DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER?!!!
He went out of his way to ignore Pop OS' package manager, which was built-in and had guardrails to keep his system from damaging itself, to open up a terminal and invoke apt from the command line without updating the repository because the package manager does that for him.
Stop making excuses for the willful behavior of idiots.
7 months ago
Anonymous
should be noticed: The guardrails were stopping him from installing Steam, that's why he looked up some guide on Tom's Hardware or whatever that told him to open up apt and install it
regardless, apt shouldn't have removed the DE over this shit. This is pop's fault for being a piece of frick.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>just infer >the PACKAGE MANAGER doesn't really know it >but the average user can INFER that installing a shitty DRM client WILL destroy his system >but the package manager doesn't >"MAYBE THIS IS BAD, I DONT' KNOW"
Yes, I know installing Steam is a bad thing
Tell me again, for what are these "package managers" good for?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>You can infer what it was from the command he entered
Yeah, I can infer that the steam package was broken and had a collision with his entire DE during dependency resolution.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I will infer that Linux is shit and the package manager was written by poo-in-loos and thus it all should be avoided at all costs.
I can unironically infer that by the code of conduct, that is a requirement for Linux developers, which means they are mentally ill.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I can unironically infer that by the code of conduct,
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/publish/store-developer-code-of-conduct
OH NO NO NON ONO NO NO NONONO NOOOONOO WINSISSIES
7 months ago
Anonymous
>As a developer of applications for the Microsoft Store >store
nice try there, mentally ill moron
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He can't read the article linking to the CoC all Microsoft app devs sign
https://cdn-dynmedia-1.microsoft.com/is/content/microsoftcorp/microsoft/final/en-us/store/legal-and-policy-documents/ada/MS-Store-ADA-v8.9-FINAL-EN.pdf
WINSISSIES, HELP, WE CAN'T READ
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Microsoft store
My Windows has no "Microsoft Store" lmao
And I can just write software for it, no one asks me to sign a code of conduct, lmao
troony
7 months ago
Anonymous
WINSISSIES THE BABYDUCK HAS COME FOR ME AAAAACK-
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He went out of his way to ignore Pop OS' package manager
if you're talking about some shitty GUI wrapper, that shit is always garbage and should be avoided.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, but every bit of documentation will tell you that when you install an OS, the first thing you do is update the package repository.
Similarly before you install a package, the first thing you do is update the package repository.
If he was following common instructions for what he was doing, he would have updated the repository and gotten a fixed Steam package.
He didn't, and produced a bug that was known, fixed, and publicized. Was he paying attention to the news about PopOS that came out right before he was making his video? Or was he just dumb enough to actually encounter the same error coincidentally?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Apt by its very nature touches systems packages. That's its entire purpose. I didn't see the exact commands he entered, but doing something like sudo apt install steam would be an extremely normal thing to do.
That's the neat thing: we can both watch it and find out what he did right now:
>He goes to install Steam >Pop OS tells him no, explains why >He ignores it
>He then tries random forum posts online >Says "This is stupid, this is apparently the solution" >Install it without updating the repository >The very bottom says "DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING"
I don't see how that's not his fault. The package manager told him what he was doing was a stupid idea, so he just starts plugging in random commands from the internet.
I will infer that Linux is shit and the package manager was written by poo-in-loos and thus it all should be avoided at all costs.
I can unironically infer that by the code of conduct, that is a requirement for Linux developers, which means they are mentally ill.
>I will infer that Linux is shit and the package manager was written by poo-in-loos and thus it all should be avoided at all costs.
most people here can also infer you're moronic and would run a command from the internet that consists of "DELTREE *.*" in an elevated command prompt because you think it will install Steam.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>hurr DELTREE
doesn't actually work, moron. >DELTREE is the same as INSTALLING STEAM USING THE OFFICIAL SOFTWARE REPO AND PACKAGE MANAGER TO INSTALL STEAM
lmao
you are mentally ill
It's actually literally like Valve replacing their Steam installer with a DELTREE app and when you click on it, it deletes the system.
THAT's what this shit show actually is.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn't actually work, moron.
It does work, you're just a mentally ill moron. >It's actually literally like Valve replacing their Steam installer with a DELTREE app and when you click on it, it deletes the system.
It's not like that at all LMAO you're computer illiterate, kid.
Linus
himself
went and started plugging in random commands from the internet, not knowing what they would do.
AFTER THE OS STOPPED HIM TWICE BEFORE
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It does work
no, it doesn't.
Windows doesn't let you delete files that are in use, duh
And it also wouldn't work without a UAC prompt either lmao
And it's still not INSTALLING STEAM using official means, who then break your fricking system, moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>installing Steam using the package manager is "plugging in random commands from the internet"
lmao
you are mentally ill
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Mentally ill Wintroon dilating this hard
Typing
YES!!!
DO
AS
I
SAY
is not part of any normal Apt operation you computer illiterate wintroon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you can't just install using the official package manager, using the official Steam package, which then fricks up the system
Yes, we see that.
Linux is broken and shit.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>>you can't just install using the official package manager, using the official Steam package, which then fricks up the system
YES
DO
AS
I
SAY >AAAAAIIEEEE WHY IS IT DOING AS I SAID
The only thing broken is the tiny peanut in your head which processes words and events. You can see the OS warning him not to do it, he does it anyway, problem lies with morons who suck his wiener.
7 months ago
Anonymous
"install Steam"
breaks the system
"yes, I told it to break my system by installing Steam, so it's my fault"
7 months ago
Anonymous
>INSTALL STEAM >I mean, you sure man? This will break your OS-
>YES
>DO >AS >I >SAY
7 months ago
Anonymous
install Steam >hey, this MAY be a bad choice, but maybe not, I don't know
wait, I'm just installing Steam
Linux is so fricking moronic.
A proper software would figure out that it's deinstalling the GUI, and say so, and not do women-speak.
But not software written by mentally ill morons.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>by telling you that it will frick your system
That's what it doesn't do.
It does women-speak
"maybe I will destroy your flat and scratch your car, or maybe not"
>there is no way to MARK packages that are part of the system, like the GUI accordingly and warn about them in clear English that you are uninstalling the GUI >no, you can only tell that "maybe it will be bad, or maybe it will be good, Are you sure sirs?"
Hello pajeet
because you are installing a copy on an already modified system which doesn't accept steam and after that, it's like using a modified .net on your windows and then discovering that an application which needed stock .net installed it instead of the modified one causing issues on your system, sometimes the system works but other times the thing was so essential that it fricks it up, it isn't woman speak but being honest, windows directly doesn't advice this shit while linux advices and does marking, it literally does the thing you are talking about and you are getting angry by being moronic.
no.
yes, the update counter is there and forces you to update after a while.
>i won't suppose what you are but try linux, it's really good.
i have a few times on bare metal actually. used it for a month on my laptop with amd.its okay. but after trying again on desktop its just shit. screen tearing in browsers, programs not remembering their window position and size, font rendering is fricking awful, nvidia cant even decode videos in a browser so you have to copy paste shit to mpv
nvidia has the issue of being pieces of shit towards linux rather than linux being bad, i understand that your hardware has issues but it can be easily solved with custom drivers, at this moment amd and everything else works, nvidia in general still works surprisingly well on linux by literally the stock drivers being reverse engineered pieces which are made by multiple tests and no real code to work with, i don't like it but it's an honest issue which requires the use of more nvidia hardware on linux rather than dismissal to find the bugs and fix the gpu processes to make it work.
the error message tells you nothing to actually resolve the situation, it doesn't tell you why any of this is happening
it does by showing the file which is fricked and then the package, on the worst cases it shows the software which can't connect to or the need of a certain library, it does it but not any system is perfect and can see libraries which require other libraries to analyze, windows doesn't even do this and just let's you out of the blue unless the software you are installing has real error prompts, something that depends of the software creator and normally is forgotten, something that linux doesn't have because the OS does it for you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
after that having an error*
is causing issues on your system*
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the system doesn't accept Steam
wut >I'm not acting like a woman, I just don't accept you
schizo
7 months ago
Anonymous
>A proper software would figure out that it's deinstalling the GUI
Linux is not a proper software. There is your answer
7 months ago
Anonymous
>installing Steam using the package manager is "plugging in random commands from the internet"
lmao
you are mentally ill
>hurr DELTREE
doesn't actually work, moron. >DELTREE is the same as INSTALLING STEAM USING THE OFFICIAL SOFTWARE REPO AND PACKAGE MANAGER TO INSTALL STEAM
lmao
you are mentally ill
It's actually literally like Valve replacing their Steam installer with a DELTREE app and when you click on it, it deletes the system.
THAT's what this shit show actually is.
You didn't even listen to a word I just said. Everything he did before YES, DO AS I SAY!!! was normal user behavior. Typing sudo apt-get install steam is normal user behavior. Nothing about that is a red flag.
saying >BUT HE TYPED IN SUDO!!
just made you look like a massive moron. Of course he did, he's using apt.
The package manger went full moron. The package manager should be able to provide useful error messages in a case like this. It did not. Linus went full moron by ignoring the package manager freaking out, but it shouldn't do that in the first place. There is no reason it shouldn't just be smart enough to straight up tell you to update your system first, because it can see the age of the repos and the age of the steam dependencies. This is a case of poor user experience just as much as it is linus incompetence.
>>you can't just install using the official package manager,
But he didn't install using the official package manager. Why do you lie? Why are you looking at a video of the man recording himself not using the official package manager for his distribution and say "This man is using an official package manager"
No he's not, you can see the package manager stop him. He went into the terminal to use apt directly. That's not the official way to download software in Pop OS!
So tell me, are you lying because you're disingenuous or lying because you think no one else watched the video?
Either ways, you chose to lie about something we both can watch unfold in the video he posted on his official account. Are you saying we can't trust that?
7 months ago
Anonymous
The """"""official""""""" package manager is just a gui front end to the actual package manager.
>The package manager should be able to provide useful error messages in a case like this. It did not.
But it did. You can see it in his video
He doesn't read it, instead saying something about "Ubuntu did the same thing to me", but he didn't read the error message at all to see what it said.
Again why are you lying? You just continue to tell lie, after lie, after lie and I can't help but wonder what you gain from it.
>WARNING YOU ARE GOING TO DO BAD SIR DO NOT REDEEM THE PACKAGE!!! THE ESSENTIAL PACKAGES GO SIR
That's not a useful error message. I repeat >There is no reason it shouldn't just be smart enough to straight up tell you to update your system first, because it can see the age of the repos and the age of the steam dependencies.
7 months ago
Anonymous
and that is enough because the package manager shows the errors on the gui.
the system is smart enough by telling you that it will frick your system directly by saying that it damages essential files, you want a system which goes to the future and sees how the issue will be rather than listen to the advice which literally says: >moron, this will frick essential shit which is important and will most likely frick your shit, wanna do it?
something that no OS can't do, windows doesn't do that shit either an is worse by not telling and letting you with a paper weight system with no explanation which takes a shit ton to install and is annoying to deal with
7 months ago
Anonymous
>by telling you that it will frick your system
That's what it doesn't do.
It does women-speak
"maybe I will destroy your flat and scratch your car, or maybe not"
7 months ago
Anonymous
Well it actually says that if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't do that.
A mansplanation, which informs you that >Yes you can do this >You probably don't want to do this if you don't know what you're doing
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Well it actually says that if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't do that.
Stop lying troony.
Anyone can check the screenshot.
It literally says:
"You are about to do something POTENTIALLY harmful"
It also says "these packages will be UPGRADED"
This means that it does not know, has no clue what it is doing, was written by incompetent pajeets
Only a mentally ill moron would defend shit software like this, but you continue doing so.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>there is no way to MARK packages that are part of the system, like the GUI accordingly and warn about them in clear English that you are uninstalling the GUI >no, you can only tell that "maybe it will be bad, or maybe it will be good, Are you sure sirs?"
Hello pajeet
7 months ago
Anonymous
the error message tells you nothing to actually resolve the situation, it doesn't tell you why any of this is happening
7 months ago
Anonymous
>But he didn't install using the official package manager. >He went into the terminal to use apt directly. >apt is not the official package manager of the system
let's fact check this
https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-apt-command/
apt is a command-line utility for installing, updating, removing, and otherwise managing deb packages on Ubuntu, Debian, and related Linux distributions.
You are mentally ill.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>sudo apt-get install steam
wow, so exactly what I said
>You can infer what it was from the command he entered
Yeah, I can infer that the steam package was broken and had a collision with his entire DE during dependency resolution.
Dude, what the frick are you talking about? You have to prefix sudo to install a package. That's normal behavior.
>Steam does prompt for an admin password to install but it doesn't touch any system package on the computer.
Apt by its very nature touches systems packages. That's its entire purpose. I didn't see the exact commands he entered, but doing something like sudo apt install steam would be an extremely normal thing to do.
You implied that he was doing some SUPER DANGEROUS fix !!! RED FLAG !!! RED FLAG !!! and removing a bunch of packages he shouldn't be touching. No, he was actually doing what any normal linux user would do to install software.
>but he didn't update his repos
Ok, but should trying to install a package without up to date repos really destroy your entire DE and xorg? At the very least there should be better error handling. Like, the package manager should be smart enough to see that the dependencies steam wants are chronologically newer than everything on the system and say "HEY!! Your system is out of date, your dependencies will not work for this software until you update!" so that the user could actually know what the frick is going on.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>wow, so exactly what I said
No, actually the opposite of what you said. >You implied that he was doing some SUPER DANGEROUS fix !!
Yes >! RED FLAG !!! RED FLAG !!!
Yes and Yes
You can see these red flags on
-The Package manager (Warns him on this operation)
-APT (warns him of this operation)
-APT AGAIN (tells him not to do it)
That's three red flags he ignored to get to that point.
There is no defending the man, he ignored warnings from his operating system specifically telling him what would happen because he thought "It's all linux bullshit who cares" then complained when his OS broke.
7 months ago
Anonymous
this can be done on windows by doing bad update order and breaking shit, at least linux tells you that it breaks shit unlike windows and is ordered so each iteration doesn't break the other.
>fills a gb every month on Winows
if that was the case, my harddrive would be full.
It isn't and you are stupid.
it's the case, windows updates do that shit each month, you lying or disabling the updates doesn't deny that.
1/2 megs each two weeks is still a lot less than 1 gb and unlike windows you can choose not to update.
>tre >to remove
ESL or moron?
[...] >warns
it actually says that it doesn't really know, but it maybe be a problem, but maybe not.
>you wrote a single word incorrectly soo th-
tried*
there moron.
Not true. Windows actually damn near reinstalls itself after each major/cumulative update. That's why settings reset. MS has to worry about morons installing garbage and fricking up their system then blaming windows for "slowing down"
Slow down is a myth on windows btw
that's the reason it's a piece of shit, it takes too much to update, removes your fricking settings, breaks shit which uses certain software and causes slow down by updates which add bloat to an already slow and bloated system with a shit ton of input lag, performance issues and high requirements to boot.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>shit ton of input lag, performance issues and high requirements to boot
works on my machine with a 7200rpm hard drive and a 4th gen i7
7 months ago
Anonymous
>each month
no, they don't do that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
it does, read the time counter dude, that shit is there and is a thing which is forced a lot of the time, windows works like that and even windows users say that it does.
7 months ago
Anonymous
no.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't even listen to a word I just said. Everything he did before YES, DO AS I SAY!!! was normal user behavior. Typing sudo apt-get install steam is normal user behavior. Nothing about that is a red flag.
saying >BUT HE TYPED IN SUDO!!
just made you look like a massive moron. Of course he did, he's using apt.
The package manger went full moron. The package manager should be able to provide useful error messages in a case like this. It did not. Linus went full moron by ignoring the package manager freaking out, but it shouldn't do that in the first place. There is no reason it shouldn't just be smart enough to straight up tell you to update your system first, because it can see the age of the repos and the age of the steam dependencies. This is a case of poor user experience just as much as it is linus incompetence.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The package manager should be able to provide useful error messages in a case like this. It did not.
But it did. You can see it in his video
He doesn't read it, instead saying something about "Ubuntu did the same thing to me", but he didn't read the error message at all to see what it said.
Again why are you lying? You just continue to tell lie, after lie, after lie and I can't help but wonder what you gain from it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>error message
There is no error message.
It literally says that it doesn't know if it's good or bad. So if the moronic package manager can't tell, how should the user?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon... look at the picture
>Install Steam >Linux: ARE YOU TRYING TO DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER?!!!
>WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
That is the most "you are entering dangerous territory" text you could possibly find. The only reason it's not an "error message" is that the program didn't stop, but it is essentially an error message.
7 months ago
Anonymous
"install Steam"
"WARNING: these packages will be removed, but these others are added"
Yes, I'm installing Steam, what's the actual problem? >This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing.
I'm trying to install Steam?
What's the problem, Linux?
Stop defending shit software. >these packages are removed, these are added, these are upgraded >it MAY be harmful, but MAYBE not
7 months ago
Anonymous
>"WARNING: these packages will be removed, but these others are added"
Holy shit anon did you miss everything after it like WHICH packages are being removed?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you need to know what every package is, by name >but it's okay that the PACKAGE MANAGER of your system doesn't know
lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
I keep saying "YES!! DO AS I SAY!!" because it is the counterpoint to "LINUS DINDU NUFFIN!" and "THE PACKAGE MANAGER WENT FULL moron!" when it was telling him to make specific commands to do his little full moron demand.
lol
lmao even
7 months ago
Anonymous
moron, the package manager adviced him that it wasn't right by him installing a piece of software before and telling him not to do it because it breaks shit.
he didn't take into account that he needs to uninstall one thing and then do the install
he was told three times in the sudo that he shouldn't do it
and he still did it and fricked and made shit by being a moron which would have fricked up on any OS in existance.
this can be done on windows if you install a modified steam and i don't see morons saying that is the fault of the OS but of them, even with that linux has a direct problem breakthrough on his package managers and is quicker to recover with live usb, reinstalls and even fix on the system itself.
>shit ton of input lag, performance issues and high requirements to boot
works on my machine with a 7200rpm hard drive and a 4th gen i7
wasting 40% more disk space and going slow as shit while having 4 more frames of input lag.
be happy literally and change to something that works, it's even free so you don't have to get dick ridded by windows, i won't suppose what you are but try linux, it's really good.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>i won't suppose what you are but try linux, it's really good.
i have a few times on bare metal actually. used it for a month on my laptop with amd.its okay. but after trying again on desktop its just shit. screen tearing in browsers, programs not remembering their window position and size, font rendering is fricking awful, nvidia cant even decode videos in a browser so you have to copy paste shit to mpv
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Everything he did before YES, DO AS I SAY!!! was normal user behavior
No, normal behavior would have including updating the repository, either after installing the OS, or before installing software. Taking that normal action, which is in all the guides would have fixed the bug.
He either out of gross incompetence, or intentional desire to make a more 'entertaining' video for his Windows using audience, managed to produce a bug that was publicized and fixed before he started his 'Linux challenge'.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>forget to update your repos >next time you try to install a package your entire system is on the precipice of total collapse
Yeah, no, that's moronic. The package manager can SEE the age of all the dependencies involved. It SHOULD BE smart enough to tell you "hey, these packages are newer than anything on the repo, update your system first, dummy!". It's morons like you defending this dumb shit that is the reason the year of the linux desktop will never come, because you don't actually give a frick about user experience. This is such a stupid hill to die on.
7 months ago
Anonymous
how fricking moronic is this package manager even?
>GUI components >somehow Steam *INSTALLATION* can uninstall them, although there should be dependencies to EVERY SINGLE GUI program and thus causing it to not uninstall them
Linux package managers are literally moronic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
there are a million of little dependencies involved, there is version mismatching happening where steam needs dicksucker.lib.1.2.0 but the system is using dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 so removing dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 means you have to uninstall everything that depends on it
7 months ago
Anonymous
Then that would be an upgrade, and it should all work.
But it isn't, it's literally uninstalling the GUI, which should not even be possible in the first place.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it's literally uninstalling the GUI, which should not even be possible in the first place.
It definitely should be.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No.
GUI software installed
Package manager: let's uninstall the GUI, because the user tried to install more GUI software
That makes zero sense, but maybe it does to the mentally ill.
7 months ago
Anonymous
that's not how versioning works
if dicksucker.lib.1.2.0 changes any of the functionality of dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 and software that depends on dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 tries to use the newer version, it will just break
my entire argument is just hey look, we can look at the repos and see that we don't even know about dicksucker.lib.1.2.0 so the package manager should be smart enough to deduce that our system isn't up to date and that updating would probably fix the problem
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it will just break
only when morons designed it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
the system is good for that by telling you that a thing will frick x which is the case of this, doing that thing is impossible unless the package creator was in contact with the package manager creator and told him about a complete change to make him code a custom response which is already solved by the system telling you that you shouldn't do that action by the next package needing a new version of something you system depends (which could be fixed by updating or removing it, something that the system can't discriminate because it's something which a lot of libraries which could check if the solution was correct would be deleted after the fact and would make that check impossible), windows doesn't tell shit on those cases and a lot of pcs have died by bad applications installs or even windows installations.
>the system doesn't accept Steam
wut >I'm not acting like a woman, I just don't accept you
schizo
the system just tells you the truth, it doesn't know the ramifications but it would recommend that you didn't do that.
it's literally; don't do it but if you really know what will happen you can do it.
for the other question: there's windows installs which require for certain software modified libraries and the thing i'm talking about happens.
7 months ago
Anonymous
windows installs with custom software/specific software or modded versions*
7 months ago
Anonymous
The Software GUI would normally update the packages automatically. He intentionally didn't use a software GUI installer.
Any guide to using apt at the command line would have started with telling the user to update the repository, he didn't do that.
Linus somehow put his system into the exact state to produce a bug that was known and fixed at the time he made his video.
Again, maybe he really is that incompetent, but it smells funny that he ignored the guides, ignored the warnings, and broke his system on camera.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you should not use the package manager yourself >you should use the GUI only >no one should use command line ever
Don't you say that about Windows all the time?
And why wasn't it properly implemented in the package manager, but hacked into the GUI package manager which runs on top of the actual package manager?
7 months ago
Anonymous
because the package manager has it implemented by the error messages, the GUI only shows that with buttons if you like it, the anon is just telling you that if he didn't knew how to use the terminal he should have just the easy option which was the GUI.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>still can't read
Heh.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Except that he didn't do it like he was supposed to, because he didn't update the repository first. Which is a thing that all the directions for a Debian based distribution will tell you to if you are going to do it that way, and something the GUI application would normally do automatically.
Somehow he managed to put the system into the exact state he needed to in order to produce what was at that time a very well publicized bug, that was already fixed.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm a linuxgay. You're just making shit up at this point. He opened a terminal and used his package manager to install software like you're supposed to.
poopOS was bugged and saw a collision between steam and X11, and thought it needed to remove X11 to continue. It was wise enough to see that removing X11 was a bad idea so it forced him to type a prompt to continue. Being the brainlet that he is, he didn't even bother to read or attempt to understand what he was doing. There is equal blame to go around between user error and poopOS being a piece of shit here.
It also forces repository updates to be done automatically if he used Pop OS' package manager, you notice what he's not in and not using when he is doing this installation in his video?
>user is installing steam >loonix tries to unalive itself >user doesn't notice it's a suicide attempts and tells it OK >loonix succeeds in suiciding >this is the user's fault according to troonix defenders
that's the greatest example of loonix being a troon OS, it even attempts suicide just like its users
>USER does something >Operating system tells him not to do it >USER tells operating system to do it >Operating system tells him to type out a very specific command to ensure USER wants to do something immensely stupid
>USER types out that command
>This isn't the USER's fault
just curious do you get dysentery from the Ganges this time of year?
>I will constantly call you trannies but you are not allowed to point out the lgbt flag in my system or call me Indian that's just not cash money of you
>be zoomer anon >grow up in digital panopticon, taught "you don't need privacy if you don't have anything to hide" as a core value. >would be in trouble if I ever had a dangerous thought and expressed it. >only use corporate approved walled garden software on my operating system, my hardware straining under the footprint of my AI OS copilot making sure I don't break any trust and safety protocols. >luckily I'll only have the socially acceptable opinions, vote for the correct approved politicians, and see only verified and validated websites.
God windows users are depressing. I'd be worried but my entire retirement plan hinges on jailbreaking you fools out of the digital hellscape you'll put yourselves into when shit gets 'too real'.
He's kinda right though. How many people will use Linux but have a fricking Google account, watch YouTube, have a steam account etc etc etc... not only that some distros have built in telemetry.
Does that mean you should use Windows? No. Because at the end of the day, the telemetry on Linux is from 3rd party programs you'd be using and not the OS itself.
I am choosing to give Google my data by using chrome
I am choosing to give them more of my data by using Google Drive
I am choosing to give them even more data by watching Youtube
Arch does not take any data and allows me to see that fact.
Windows would just take my data even during installation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I choose
No, you don't.
You use Google garbage already when you install Steam, and Valve doesn't tell you that or asks for permissionf for Google.
7 months ago
Anonymous
One day you will understand how the world works anon... I am jealous though
Gaming is good now
The problem for me is a bunch of random software I use doesn't have Linux versions. I'm still gonna try to live without all of them for my next build
90% of games werk. Most of the biggest currently popular multiplayer titles don't werk because of anti-cheats.
Personally I think it's pretty nice, good enough that I'd rather give up the few games that don't work than use modern Windows, but the only multiplayer I play these days is coop games with friends so ymmv.
Shit. Anyone claiming otherwise is straight up lying to you.
It's like emulator gays trying to laugh at switchies for playing games with visual glitches.
Playing basic old games sometimes needs hours of tinkering. Ironically the latest AAA slip works much better on Linux.
Either way, it's just not there yet.
>switchies
Hello nu-fren from Reddit. How did you hear about us? Did you register your account with us yet?
Oh and please go back to your r/sub and never come here again.
Buh Bye!
broken
as always >just updeet >more stuff broken >just one more updeet >even more stuff broken >t's the Ndivia drivers >(it's actually incompetent programming in wine)
If Linux was any good there'd be more than 2% using it. Steam Surveys say otherwise tho.
It's literally free and runs on a Pentium 3 third world toaster so you think everyone would jump at it if it was any good. Truth is, many did jump at it. But it just isn't any good.
The only guy I know still sticking to Linux is a guy with the highest end rig possible. And even he has constant issues. Get kicked out of games, games take forever to launch or maybe won't launch at all depending on the day, and oh yes I forgot: he can't join windows player lobbies so we always have to join his games despite his internet being shite in games like vt2.
>If Linux was any good there'd be more than 2% using it. Steam Surveys say otherwise tho.
Steam Survey says you speak Chinese and eat dog every day between playing skydiving simulator at your foxconn suicide net factory:
[...] >Also according to the last stramsurvey only 1.7% of steam users are using Linux,
Those surveys are faulty, they also claim 50% of all steam users are Chinese
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/5540051992988936788/
They are vastly inflated by cheaters evading bans and cybercafe users using 100 different computers with 200 different accounts. Each one getting a vote for Windows.
Stop quoting it as a source because Valve themselves admit it's a flawed survey.
If these numbers were accurate, no one would own a Steam Deck.
So do you? If not, then you admit those surveys aren't worth shit.
Linux plays WoW, and that's unironically the only game I play.
I have other games installed, but I just don't touch them for some reason.
I really hated Windows 11, so I made the switch to Arch a few months ago. Couldn't be happier.
>Tales of Arise >Witcher 3 >AC6 >Crash >Dragonquest >edge of eternity >a hat in time >nier automata >scarlet nexus >star ocean the divine force
Those are in my library and they work. I don't know about the rest, haven't bought them.
3
https://www.protondb.com/app/292030
"The launcher screen is pitch black, I had to disable it to be able to start the game."
To revert to DX11: Set "fallback": "DirectX 11" in the file launcher-configuration.json.
Performance:
Slight Performance Problems
DX12 performance is much worse than DX11, so I reverted to DX11.
>perfectly
lmao
Trannies are so fricking dishonest.
>it starts up >that means it works >that one game crashes when loading the first stage >but that counts as works for me, because the title screen showed up
kys
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not my fault you bought an Nvidia GPU. Just werks for me on AMD.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it's the fault of Nvidia >that's why an assert() comes up in my windows emulator
schizo
>a hat in time
https://www.protondb.com/app/253230
Performance:
Significant Performance Problems
unusual stutterings
Instability:
Frequently
Game crashes loading the first stage
Crashed my PC even forcing experimental or GE
>Someone said this game didn't work for them at one time >everyone else who says they play it must be a lying troony!
With that logic we can go to the microsoft forums and conclude that everyone using windows has a bluescreening brick for a computer that will never boot.
A Hat In Time is even rated GOLD, which means totally broken
But nice try there. >but it boots up into the start screen, that means it works fine
You are mentally ill.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The frick are you even talking about? There are reviews in your own link that say it works great.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, Steamies love to lie a lot. >Tomb Raider 2 >crash when Lara dies >it works GREAT and PERFECTLY, just don't die
lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
I just read that someone's windows computer crashed, that means yours did too you lying, mentally ill troony!
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it's the computer
No, the software freezes, because the Windows emulator is a broken piece of shit
*RATED GOLD
7 months ago
Anonymous
Mentally ill troony a poster on the microsoft forums said they can't boot their computer, how are you posting here if that windows machine isn't working? Your computer has crashed you fricking schizo.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anyone on here and try out Tomb Raider 2 on proton and confirm that Linux users are liars, including (you) >it's the system, it's not our shitty windows emulator >when Lara dies and the game freezes, that's an Nvidia problem, actually a hardware program, our Windows emulator works perfectly
7 months ago
Anonymous
One could poison protondb, by posting that all games work perfectly, when they don't.
This will discredit proton forever
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's funny, because you can tell how much Linux users and Steamies lie, which is a lot and you can check it yourself.
>Just use OpenLARA
Yeah, actually do that, and then actually try to play the game and see how far you get.
How to spot liars: actually try out what they say.
7 months ago
Anonymous
and the cutscenes don't work
and the frame rate is garbage
but besides that, it totally works
i was able to start the training level once
NTA but you clearly haven't tried flatpak.
Flatpak has a similar concept as portable programs on windows. Imagine a program that works across all versions of windows, across all the ages, starting from 3.1 to 11. That's flatpak.
>just store every single library per application >waste bandwidth and disc space and RAM >this is a solution
No, it's a hack and a stupid idea and terrible programming.
Someone should have simply designed Linux properly. Windows doesn't do that shit. And other Operating Systems also don't, because it's moronic.
windows does that shit on his portable apps, it's worse because it contains them with separate libraries and running an instance for each app wasting more resources, flatpaks are just a way to get programs when the application is a dependency hell (something that windows has as well and is the fault of the maintainer of the software rather than the OS ) or because it's only available there.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Keeping the same library around for 100 programs is moronic. >security bug in a library >now update all 100 programs
See how stupid this is?
7 months ago
Anonymous
it isn't because you can just update the library once and fix those issues instead of having programs which are broken while others don't work at all or have vulnerabilities by mismatches or bugs not solved on the newer libraries.
that's one of the reasons windows has a ton of viruses anon, aside from that windows has united libraries but half asses it by using united and external libraries at the same time to check instead of doing one or the other.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>update the library once
it seems you do not understand what a flatpak actually is.
Flatpak means you have a copy of every single library in every single package.
This means that you can't just update it once, you have to update EVERY SINGLE flatpak package.
When you don't update all, you will be vulnerable, which is why flatpak is a moronic thing to do.
btw. this also means that if you run 5 programs and all 5 use the same library, you still won't be loading this library ONCE, but you load it 5 times, and thus waste tons of RAM on top of that, which is also moronic.
https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
Note that the app package itself is only 4.4 MB. The rest is all redundant libraries that are already on my system. I just ran the kcalc binary straight out of its Flatpak install path unsandboxed and let it use my native libraries. It ran just fine, because all of the libraries it uses are backwards compatible.
If you install GIMP in Fedora 34’s Software store, it defaults to Fedora’s Flatpak of GIMP. This pulls in Fedora 35’s 650 MB runtime, not any freedesktop.org runtime. Nothing will be shared with our freedesktop runtime KCalc we installed from Flathub earlier. On my machine /var/lib/flatpak is using over 3 GB of disk space for just these two apps.
you literally just install the flatpak runtimes once and that's it. it's like 500mb up front. idk why flatpak hater tards cant understand this
7 months ago
Anonymous
this is factually incorrect information, disproven by reality.
Flatpak allows anyone to define their own runtimes. freedesktop.org publishes some Flatpak runtimes for common use, but these aren’t necessarily the ones apps are using. For example Fedora publishes apps with its own runtimes, and these are the ones available by default in its Software store.
If you install GIMP in Fedora 34’s Software store, it defaults to Fedora’s Flatpak of GIMP. This pulls in Fedora 35’s 650 MB runtime, not any freedesktop.org runtime. Nothing will be shared with our freedesktop runtime KCalc we installed from Flathub earlier. On my machine /var/lib/flatpak is using over 3 GB of disk space for just these two apps.
This is apparently working as intended. They want runtimes to be a free-for-all, filling your hard drive with gigabytes of custom junk for every app. I can’t imagine what system updates will be like in the future when you have a few dozen apps storing tens of gigabytes of runtimes that all want to be kept up to date.
7 months ago
Anonymous
alright im convinced youre a bot
i was suspicious of these two posts
full on tarded
If you install GIMP in Fedora 34’s Software store, it defaults to Fedora’s Flatpak of GIMP. This pulls in Fedora 35’s 650 MB runtime, not any freedesktop.org runtime. Nothing will be shared with our freedesktop runtime KCalc we installed from Flathub earlier. On my machine /var/lib/flatpak is using over 3 GB of disk space for just these two apps.
both are shit and tarded.
https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
Note that the app package itself is only 4.4 MB. The rest is all redundant libraries that are already on my system. I just ran the kcalc binary straight out of its Flatpak install path unsandboxed and let it use my native libraries. It ran just fine, because all of the libraries it uses are backwards compatible.
but this one confirms it. you are definitely a bot. you reiterate the same information often. your first line is uncapitalized and then everything else is capitalized and punctuated like normal. youre also talking about fedora 34 and 35, which havent been the newest since early 2022... which is also the cutoff date for most ais.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>everything else is capitalized and punctuated like norma
because it's a quote, moronic dumb Black person from the very URL that was posted.
It seems you are the bot.
kys
7 months ago
Anonymous
>because it's a quote, moronic dumb Black person from the very URL that was posted.
lol
he says as he yet again follows the same pattern of uncapitalized to capitalized
damn if you actually arent a bot thats sad, you type like a moronic subhuman if that's the case. ive never seen a human talk so repetitively and in circles. you are really shit at explaining yourself lol. i was genuinely convinced you were gpt or llama or something
7 months ago
Anonymous
>a bot would surely do that
You sound like a bot.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Flatpak recognizes that mixing libraries with the host system is a mess. Instead, they want to bundle their own graphics drivers in the runtimes, keeping them regularly updated for new hardware.
BUNDLE GRAPHICS DRIVER WITH EVERY SINGLE SOFTWARE
LINUX
MENTALLY ILL SOFTWARE DESIGN
7 months ago
Anonymous
You download the graphics runtime once and never again. its like 400 mb. who gives a shit
7 months ago
Anonymous
We already had that.
"They want runtimes to be a free-for-all,"
It's moronic shit and you should have a nice day, stupid bot.
>wanna play halo infinite (yes really. frick you the custom maps with ai bots are fun) >crashes at menu >shit >change proton version >crashes at menu >shit >try commandline from protondb that’s meant to help >nope >delete compatdata. nada >hmmm wtf do i do? nuke my entire install and go again? frick off >downgrade nvidia driver to 5.25 >now just works out of the box
ok? frick you too fricking linux.
i doubt this will work as we’re on two different manufacturers drivers, but delete the compat data, downgrade gpu driver, set infinite’s proton to be experimental, reboot if needed and try then. that worked for me
oh jeez you wont catch me saying that. i like linux but it’s definitely a “nerds OS”. you have to be dedicated to learning how to unfrick some convoluted shit via convoluted CS major shit (wizards will argue it totally makes sense but imo as a newish user of linux there’s still loads of shit i dont understand versus windows) and i did networking in college lmao
Fun.
>gaming on linux
i would, but i need PUBG on it
It's gotten so good there's nothing left to do but the one thing that can't be fixed (invasive anti-cheat)
Anytime a game comes out that doesn't work or has problems Valve instantly whips developers into fixing it.
It really is funny that the only thing standing in the way of linux gaming at this point is literal malware.
its honestly a fantastic way to easily filter out the garbage devs/games I don't care about anyway
>can't be fixed
What is the technical limitation?
There is no technical limitation, the anti cheat would need to support linux in some ways.
What probably linux users would not like is giving the likes of tencent root access to their machine.
>What is the technical limitation?
None, it can be made to work, but against the wishes of some large companies like Epic (owners of Easy Anticheat, also Tim Sweney hates Linux for some reason and can't back down)
The problem is that if Valve goes this route it will initiate an arms race between wine and the industry and that will cause lots of negative press and people to complain that things break all the time.
IMHO Valve is right. Companies need to support Linux period, so there is no need to hack anything and the consumer has the best experience possible.
And adding support for weird video codecs, see Kingdom Hearts' pre rendered cutscenes
It's best to take all the cutscenes and convert/re-encode them again.
Then why has no one done that for years, if it were this easy? For Kingdom Hearts at least, everyone says to delete them and forget they exist
Because I don't see anyone trying it. IIRC if KH series were on Steam, part of the cache you download would be re-encoded movie files.
Fairly sure they're not allowed to include the codecs because they're proprietary/non-redistributable. That's what proton-GE does but redistributing proprietary stuff as 1 dude on github vs as Valve, forefront of PC gaming is a very different scenario.
Play darksiders warmastered edition and tell me it works as if on windows
Works for me, any game I want to play I can get launched. If you like playing games with spyware anticheats, Linux may not be for you
The only problem I've had is Civ5 sometimes crashing when it updates the modlist. I don't know why it does that but I think it's shit code or because I'm a moron and use cuckbuntu.
Otherwise its great.
actually fully functional but troubleshoot-heavy
Probably the best way to put it
It works, but the slop to trough pipeline is a little more convoluted, so it'll involve troubleshooting a bit.
The only things that don't work are corporate dicksucking competitions.
>linux
>gaming
good morning sir
Good morning sir
I agree, windows 11 much better. Do not redeem the linux sirs, Microsoft is king
this but unironically
>spend an hour in command line installing moron software designed by butthole
vs
>play TF2 have fun for an hour
Linux is actually the biggest COPE for nerds
>TF2
werks on my machine
>sudo apt install steam-installer
WOOOOOW SO COMPLICATED
no, we already talked about this.
YOU MUST NOT USE COMMAND-LINE.
GUI ONLY.
Otherwise Steam may delete your whole GUI.
I'm on Arch. What do I do if my distro doesn't have a GUI to install packages?
Then you are fricked.
Install a proper distro.
Using commandline is very bad and you are not allowed to do that.
Oh no! What do I do, Linux sister? I've already used the konsole!
anything going wrong is your fault then, even when it's obvious bugs in all sort of Linux shit software.
>only ASCII mode
jeez Linux users are really 40 years behind.
>computer, install steam.
>you mean delete your pc? you got it boss!
>your pc
"This PC" for the Winjeets in the crowd
I will never know who brainwashed these idiots into using linux at all but here we are.
Tux looking like he's missing some chromosomes
Just a few dependencies
Just a few package conflicts
Is League of Legends not working again?
It really isn't
so far all i had to do was install proton and winetricks and it has been smooth sailing since then, i think only two games didm't work for me, but i didn't particularly cared enough to troubleshoot right then.
More importantly, how is image editing on Linux in 2024?
Krita and gimp with plugins cover all your needs. And I've seen anons running photoshop in Wine if you really need that.
Im on arch
Things just work most of the time. I recently pirated koikatsu with HF patch, lutris worked with wine GE just had to open winetricks and install the winhttp DLL and after that bepinEX loaded, game was in english and worked fine with mangohud and all.
Some games run better like stalker, but it's still not perfect but much better than windows in terms of frametime.
Still stutter when loading in areas which can't be fixed in stalker with the current engine, I'm hoping openxray will work on stalker anomaly soon.
There were a lot of things I couldnt get to work with lutris. I added them as non steam games and then they just werk
It's better than 10 years ago but still strictly worse than windows by a significant margin.
Almost everything I want to play works fine out of the box with Lutris or Steam. The few things that don't I'm alright with restarting into Windows for on occasion, but at this point I don't use Windows for anything else except games that don't work on Linux.
Gentoo, Fedora, and Debian are the only distros that matter btw.
what about arch?
It's fine, but I think inferior to Gentoo in contests of poweruser features, minimalism, and elitism internet cred.
Pacman is an overrated package manage IMO, I find Portage to be both more user-friendly and also offer a greater level of control over your system.
Arch does have the AUR going for it, but in my case I barely used it in the year and a half that I ran Arch on desktop, so it didn't provide much of a reason for me to stay.
as someone who uses gentoo daily on their desktop but arch everywhere else I honestly would rather recommend arch to other people for most cases since its way easier to jump into and maintain
I only swapped after doing makefile autism with -git packages from the AUR
there are some pretty great things like masking packages that break or pulling in specific other packages, but there's also dependency chains that prevent certain packages from getting pulled in for quite some time so its a tradeoff
that said I don't run gentoo stable so I probably run into a lot more maintenance issues than a standard user might
Why would you use Gentoo as a daily driver?
If you're new to this, everyone recommends you just use Mint
>Why would you use Gentoo as a daily driver?
Because genone doesn't exist, you only have gentoo. There's no gentree either or Gaben would throw a fat fit.
Arch/Artix are literally all you need. Any list that doesn't include either is a shit list you can safely ignore.
When you need a wiki to install the OS…. It’s not a good OS
>boot usb
>type archinstall
woooooooooow
It’s well documented fact that arch is the flagship distro for the LGBT community, ohh and YWNBAW no matter how many dresses you wear.
hey man check out
thread could use more seething winjeets
I used Debian based, you intergalactic level moron
>new ip
Anyway here's your (You)
KDE is for homosexuals so no one cares.
I'd rather be gay than a footgay.
I have good news for you
Filtered
It's dependent on a lot of weird knowledge to make it work, but it offers the best experience for me. I like being able to nuke any programs or groups I don't like and understand wtf I'm installing on my disk.
>inb4 you can do it too on any distro
not as easily
The wiki is the cherry on top. All serious OSes should have a wiki.
>what about arch?
Arch is great.
Started using it as a desktop after 11 years of using Ubuntu, not looking back.
Not for the newbie though.
>Not for the newbie though.
It's the first Linux distro I installed
>It's the first Linux distro I installed
Cool I guess, how did it work for you fren?
Why do you have reply in your namefield?
Looks like I dragged it accidentally from the "quick reply" text above. I'm using an old touchpad.
i'm still relatively new to linux.
what makes gentoo so special? it's a big meme on Ganker so much so they named the wiki after it
you have to compile all your software from source code
in some cases this results in better performance because you can use hardware-specific compiler optimizations that wouldn't be used in generic prebuilt packages, but it's mostly just a Ganker meme to tell tech support gays to frick off
It's a meme, kinda. It will make you learn a lot about computers but will require even more work than arch.
>what makes gentoo so special?
You kind of build the system completely tailor-made to your needs. And yes, "build" not just install.
new EndeavourOS was released
time to switch, white man (brown or yellow)
>need lib32-gst-plugins-bad/ugly for wine to get videos working on some old games
>can't install them because one dependency refuses to install just because it's an outdated version and the GitHub maintainer never released a new version, just a patch that you have yourself to apply
sometimes too much freedom can be a negative if you stop giving shit about your product
>window manager can't remember window size of programs
>multimedia buttons don't work even after manual configuration
>lutris gives the very helpful error code 256 when trying to install pirated copies of some games
>mpv ignores arguments in the config file like the ones removing window decorations for no reason
>global hotkeys
>can't get streamlink working no matter what
I tried. 2 months straight, I tried and it almost worked. But in the end it's just not worth the hassle. I'll check back in 2 years.
>pirated copies
what games?
just don't tell me they're repacks
most recent one i tried was the new expansion for dredge
just right click on the base game and install the dlc, also make sure your base version and dlc are from the same region
the dlc comes bundled wit the rest of the game, so it's just one big install, not a separate file
either way i'm too tired of dealing with it
Try Bottles. I never liked Lutris, things just didn't work half the time.
manager can't remember window size of programs
damn sounds like windows to me
i3/sway don't have this problem 🙂
buttons don't work even after manual configuration
just get the right keycode my man
>>mpv ignores arguments in the config file like the ones removing window decorations for no reason
sounds like pebkac
hotkeys
???
>>can't get streamlink working no matter what
definitely pebkac
>gaming on linux
why is he trying to play a video game on a server? is he stupid?
there's no meaningful difference between a server and a personal computer
um sweety, servers cant run graphic drivers properly and dont have video games support. i cant play fortnite or valorant or utilize my gpu fully on a linus server
Hybrid kernel is more server than monolithic
just bought a Steam Deck so I think it's alright
The gaming DE, Plasma 6 is coming in early 2024 so it will be even better.
>DBFZ online multiplayer on Linux w/Windows (or people who don't have the EAC (anti cheat) disabled) still doesn't work even though the Proton and EAC issues causing this have been resolved for a year+ at this point
>This is easily fixed if 1 fricking Bamco intern takes 2 minutes to log in and check a single box in the developer settings within Steam
Why can't Steam/Valve just step in for cases like this?
It was good until Linux distros decided to self destruct by shoving Wayland down everyone's throat. Wayland gives me nothing but problems so I switched back to Windows after 5 years on Linux. Redhat is nothing but a cancer on Linux and all distros should be ashamed of copying them no matter what dogshit they push on people just to save themselves a bit of work. Desktop Linux is a joke.
I am too afraid to try Wayland and Nvidia after hearing all the pain anons go through. You have literally turned it into a fear of mine. check if there is Wayland under my bed, please!
You can easily switch between x and wayland on any distro
I wouldn't switch yet but the latest driver (545.29) has a lot of Wayland fixes. I think NVIDIA has finally started trying to support Wayland properly, and while they're not quite there yet it should become very usable in the near future.
>Wayland
lol lmao even
Bot response.
>and while they're not quite there yet it should become very usable in the near future
2 more weeks
It's been ready for several years now on AMD/Intel so they should be able to catch up soon.
>It's been ready for several years now on AMD/Intel
It's not. Waytards say it's "ready" because they're used to things not working.
>i chose not to use X [skill issue]
>i went back to windows [skill issue]
>skill issue
it literally is. people would rather let m$ frick them in the ass than to tinker around with their own os because windows just werks (except when it doesn't which is often hence the ass fricking)
the only exception is windows ltsc which has very few flaws and actually works like a proper os without the bullshit. then the only valid argument i can think of is that linux gives you full control over your operating system, and no spying i guess.
>Windows
works
>Linux
only works on intel igpus (so you're not gaming, only larping that you do)
>inb4 use ayyymd
No amd card has been worth buying since the rx 470 which is now unsupported, underpowered and irrelevant. AMD is poorgay/tinker troony cope.
>Risk of rain 2 crashes when I try to host/open up steam overlay
What?
Switch to Steam Beta Client, worked for me.
Nah didn't work, and i'm not the only one having this issue. That's not the only issue i'm having with linux too. For example the flatpak version of parsec not working, discord audio share client isn't working, and I still haven't converted my hardrives to none ntfs(Only 1 more to go)
I'll get it done man, but yeah I hope I don't run into too many more problems. I'm not going back to 10.
Still a meme.
Also according to the last stramsurvey only 1.7% of steam users are using Linux, which includes dual boots obviously.
It's a ridiculously small metric.
But you're quick fto find someone screaming how it's so much better than windows (it isn't), easier to set up(hell no), and throw some benchmarks at you telling you how much better the performance is on Linux (which it isn't in 99% of times and everyone knows a benchmark means nothing until you tried it yourself).
t. exclusive Linux user for 5 years.
Terrible bait. Try harder next time.
Millions of people use the Steam Deck without issue, including children. You have no excuse
Also you type like this
because you are
a redditor
Deck is great but not for portability. When I have a long break it’s way easier to pull out my PSP/Vita then to have open the suitcase carrying the massive SD.
>When I have a long break it’s way easier to pull out my PSP/Vita
Im trans btw
How is that in any way relevant to the post you're replying to?
It came up when he did a Ctrl-F for "Steam Deck" in his FUDposting script.
Works on my machine
>muh %
Cringe as absolute frick that a supposed Linux user would appeal to popularity like this but okay.
It's actually over 4% for English-language users. Before you ask why that's important to or relevant, observe the language of this board.
Also, it's actually about 1.4% overall (currently down due to a huge increase in Chinese accounts), and it was closer to 1.6% just prior to that. When did you get 1.7%? Update your copypasta if that's what this is.
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/
I don't get the point that your butthurt reply is supposed to present.
No it's not copypasta, it's experience.
Also yea I think I'm a bit off because the "latest" steam survey I was quoting is a couple of months back actually.
But anyway, your reply is redundant.
The point is that popularity is irrelevant to anyone seriously considering the use of Linux, and it's funny that your "muh %" post wasn't even accurate.
>butthurt
lol
>t. exclusive Linux user for 5 years.
The frick you did, you were dual booting each time you found any niggling issue you put absolutely no effort to figure out how to solve.
>Also according to the last stramsurvey only 1.7% of steam users are using Linux,
Those surveys are faulty, they also claim 50% of all steam users are Chinese
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/5540051992988936788/
They are vastly inflated by cheaters evading bans and cybercafe users using 100 different computers with 200 different accounts. Each one getting a vote for Windows.
Stop quoting it as a source because Valve themselves admit it's a flawed survey.
If these numbers were accurate, no one would own a Steam Deck.
It's not 2024 yet, but it works for me, might not for you. You'll generally have a better experience gaming with an AMD card vs Nvidia but RT performance still has problems in a number of games on AMD if you care about that. nNt every game is going to work, usually but not necessarily due to kernel anti cheat, some are fricked because of the licensing of the video codecs they use, for example.
If you watched a video showing Linux having better performance in x games and that's your sole reason to use it then don't even bother, some might have better performance but that can't be guaranteed across the board and you'll find games that are the opposite, and if you move to Linux thinking it'll be "windows but faster" you'll just get angry at the first roadblock you find
i got mint running on my 2015 laptop a couple weeks ago. it was fun setting up. the goal was to get dark souls 1 running because ds1 ran great on it in w7 with dsfix.
it runs with steam's compatibility layer, but it runs like trash and i can't get dsfix to work even with steam's startup command feature. i'm almost certain it would run well if dsfix would work.
i have wine (properly) installed but i've been too lazy to try that or bottles or lutris. i also haven't tried out any other game, native or otherwise.
i'll stick with ltsc on my desktop for now ..., but i would like to toy around with linux on it eventually just to see what it's like on high end hardware.
>i have wine (properly) installed but i've been too lazy to try that or bottles or lutris
wait, are you even using DXVK or running it on pure wine?
i ran it through steam. i haven't tried anything else yet. i may need to torrent a copy. i plan on dicking around with wine, bottles and also lutris at some point. just need to set aside some sunday morning
as far as games go, ds1 is probably the most complicated it'll get bc that's the most recent game that thing can feasibly run fnv worked but ran like a 360 with about 80 mods lmao
everything else like indies and older games will probably be easy or are native.
Like riding a bike without legs and one arm
>shitty analogy that makes no sense
Why is Ganker so bad at these?
A better analogy is that Linux is like riding a bike, as opposed to Windows which is like riding a bus. With Linux, it might be more work and take longer to get there, but you can go wherever you want for free, and you don't have to sit with a bunch of smelly normies. With Windows, you have to go where the bus takes you, but at least you don't have to pay attention or know how to get where you're going.
You also can't say Black personBlack personBlack person on the bus.
You can, you will just get banned from riding buses.
>bus pass stolen
I suppose the analogy works on many levels, then.
Still a shit American analogy.
Windows is like seeing an ad on TV for a vacation destination, calling their hotline and then having them arrange the entire trip for you, complete with obligatory and unwanted attempts to sell you overpriced garbage along the way.
Linux involves the need to figure out where you want to go, how you're going to get there and where you're going to stay while you're there, but in most cases that will mean you can do what you actually want to do.
These comments here represents everything wrong with linux. The one anon used a single sentence that clearly explained the experience of using linux. But that's not good enough for the "linux user". He goes off and says the same exact thing but in a much more needlessly complex way. Does it sound nicer? Sure? But the meaning is ultimately the same exact thing as the previous comments but now much more involved and convoluted for the exact same goal.
I use Mint btw.
linux is like having a button which makes you hava a vacation while having other extremely optional buttons to put sprinkles on your food on those vacations, sometimes the less used buttons get stuck but they are easy to unstuck by wiggling a little, windows is a button which puts throws you human excrement and activates a speaker which says that you need to think that is a vacation while the button gets stuck by the goop that it has.
Boring. I don't have to tinker with wine anymore.
>Gaming on Linux
No such thing
I've seen so many people online pushing for Linux, but there doesn't seem to be an answer for me to decide whether a change is worth it. Can it run the following without issues:
Adobe Suite
Autodesk
DMM Games
>Adobe Suite
yes
>Autodesk
yes
>DMM Games
and ching chong nip nong to you fine sir
>poo in the loo
no
>Gee willickers , I cannot decide if I should use Linux. Can it run these things I've carefully selected based on what I think is least likely to work?
Just stay on Windows.
Adobeshit isn't a video game btw
It's okay. Another 20 years and it should be better than Windows.
>implying windows will live another 10, let alone 20 years
lmao
it's fine
I'm having a great deal of success with RDR2 and Doom Eternal
DMC3 worked about as well as expected, game itself runs great but the prerecorded cutscenes run like ass
>ACK
>chatgpt screenshot is the last straw for poor little poojeet
Holy cope
this bug is solved already and it's just a program copying itself incorrectly, in windows this type on shit on the programs that cause it are harder to solve by windows installations uninstalling resources from just one folders instead of folders and indexes so this problem would have been worse on windows
>but xsessions is d
yeah but it's automatically installed by default on xfce and the only way to frick it up is to use another graphical manager when you choose other, this could have been easily fixed by the user just using the mint download menu which is easier than flatpaks or just changing distro
>but moronation isn't the r-
wanting to solve the issue on a harder manner while not wanting to have the solution literally handed on his hand is moronation, windows has these kinds of issues too and is worse by not filling your hard drive but killing your system if you don't do these correct procedures so this isn't even a linux issue but an OS issue which is worse on windows.
Windows wasn't written by moronic mentally ill morons and thus doesn't fill itself up with kernels that it keeps forever.
>because it totally makes sense to keep kernel updeet for 10 years
>you see at some point I may want to go back to the kernel from 12 years ago
>updeet every few days
>oh wow, the harddrive fills up
>just enter this totally normal command on command line to fix it
apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg --list | egrep -i 'linux-image|linux-headers' | awk '/ii/{ print $2}' | egrep -v "$i")
>Windows wasn't written by moronic mentally ill morons
LOL
It does way worse, it just grenades your desktop one patch tuesday on an update that brings AI spyware into your computer.
https://borncity.com/win/2023/10/09/windows-september-2023-updates-kb5030219-and-kb5030310-are-causing-issues/
>As of September 26, 2023, the preview update KB5030310 for Windows 11 22H2 has been released (see Windows 11 22H2: Preview Update KB5030310 (September 26, 2023)). This preview update also brings the code for Windows Copilot to the systems, but it is not activated in Europe yet. Here in the blog I had already mentioned in the post Windows 11 22H2/23H2: September 2023 Preview Update KB5030310 forces shadow font on desktop icons that with the update the shadow font in the labels for desktop icons can no longer really be turned off.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU PUT THIS SHIT ON YOUR SSD
>Windows 10+11
Not Windows, lmao
Last Windows is Windows 7, but nice try
>Daily babydick cope thread
ok so the winsissy I'm arguing with is actually the winsissy other winsissies look down on for being morons.
TOP
KEK
>no, it doesn't.
On your version of Windows it totally does LOL
>7
an OS which microshit tre to remove to put you on new versions to make you pay and still had the shit of:
>tre
>to remove
ESL or moron?
>warns
it actually says that it doesn't really know, but it maybe be a problem, but maybe not.
>>to remove
What's wrong with "to remove"? That's a normal thing to say in English.
>What's wrong with "tre"? That's a normal thing to say in pajeet.
Answer my question anon
Sorry sirs I will not redeem your question.
>tre is English
Ugga ugga bugga, poo in toilet now
>Windows Vista+7
Not Windows, lmao
Last Windows is Windows XP, but nice try
windows literally does that by windows update having increasing updates which stack on top of each other, linux has updates which delete older files in exchange of new ones and are easy to return from installing an older package.
at most is an OS issue based around updates causing this on differing periods (increases your hard drive size by 1 or 2 megs each 2 weeks on linux or fills a gb every month on windows, still better, optional and fixable on the package manager with ui in most debian distros and even stock debian) and at worse windows gives harmful unavoidable updates which frick your system, hard drive and even cause the system to break while giving worse security, performance and functions and we are living on the worse case scenario
>fills a gb every month on Winows
if that was the case, my harddrive would be full.
It isn't and you are stupid.
Not true. Windows actually damn near reinstalls itself after each major/cumulative update. That's why settings reset. MS has to worry about morons installing garbage and fricking up their system then blaming windows for "slowing down"
Slow down is a myth on windows btw
Help! I'm suddenly a professional artist/photo editor/video editor/3D modeler all at once!
>3D modeler
Blender is native linux so you can scratch that off the list
play better games
stop being black
The only way 80% of your games aren't working on Linux is you exclusively playing Fortnite, Siege, CoD, Destiny 2 and literally anything else.
And if that's the case you probably can't even handle Windows with that amount of normalgay brain.
Technically this could be true. If you ONLY play the currently popular multiplayer games anti-cheats block you from playing four out of the five games you play, then this might be the case for you.
I have Mint installed right now and the literal only game that keeps Windows 7 installed right now is Space Station 13.
Byond is never getting ported to Linux and it will probably not even work on Windows 12 because of the strict requirement for Internet Explorer 11 to even work. The creator also said he will never port it to Microsoft Edge which would fix 99% of these problems and let it be played on Linux and W12 alike.
Funny because Space Station 14 works on Linux natively but then you're playing SS14 and all the furries and trannies who are shaping that into a furry sex simulator.
Also I can't get NFS High Stakes, the 90's racing game, to detect my gamepad
>they even make "memes" now
it's so pajeety, holy shit
They melt down the same way if you tell them you're still running Windows 7.
Microsoft call center employees genuinely believes the company 'likes' them and is keeping them employed so they act like monkeys when you don't have their latest product. They're exactly like Apple fanboys circa 2012.
>They melt down the same way if you tell them you're still running Windows 7.
Sounds fun.
>Fortnite detected my VM again
bros....
stop trying to cheat in timmy's game
I will NOT run windows on bare metal FRICK YOU
Either port to linux or let me play it in a VM you c**ts
How were you avoiding detection before?
>Perform system update
>Can no longer boot into arch
Back to windows slop
What about pirated games? Can you run windows installers through lutris and play the game that way, or do you need to find a pirated linux version?
lutris and wine for piracy is cancer. for example gog-games.to installers install without problem for me using proton-ge but if i try to run the gog update installers they always fricking refuse to find the game destination. don't fall for the linux meme if you want to pirate. its not worth it.
since you're using proton they might just be bubblewrapped etc. and having issues trying to go outside of their prefix
are you installing everything in the same prefix, an external or dir like ~/Games?
>update installers
You have to click on the game and select "Run EXE in Wine Prefix" from a pop up context menu next to the wine icon at the bottom, then select the update file.
>What about pirated games?
Use Bottles, flatpak version, open up target SSD in flatseal permissions, install games.
NVidia cards are basically fixed now, right? I want to upgrade to a spare 2070 I have on my second computer with a 6600
>NVidia cards are basically fixed now, right
No, lmao
>I want to upgrade to a spare 2070 I have on my second computer with a 6600
RX 6600 > RTX 2070 on Linux
https://www.phoronix.com/review/radeon-rx6600-linux/7
Damn.
>NVidia cards are basically fixed now, right?
They never will be, until nvidia open sources their drivers.
how do the non-free drivers work?
Exactly the same as they do on Windows. Which is the issue. AMD has shit Windows drivers, but the Linux exclusive drivers are far better than Nvidia's.
Like cards that perform the same on Windows, the Nvidia card will be about the same with 5%, and the AMD card will be 10-15% faster than the Nvidia card.
RDNA2 has gotten a lot of work for the Deck so it is a special case and those cards are performing up to 33% faster.
Its gotten so bad for Nvidia that they aren't providing review hardware to Linux sites anymore. The 4090 still brute forces its way to the top of performance lists, but not nearly by the margin it should for the price.
There are open drivers for Nvidia hardware now, but they are at the state the open source AMD drivers were 10 years ago. Barely able to start running games at 60fps if you have the highest-end cards.
They do not and cannot work, because nvidia cards require a vendor signature to work properly. There is no hope of nvidia cards ever getting usable open source drivers until this fact changes. When it does, it will probably not take that long.
no
you can get them to work, and nvidia did release a new driver that fixes some of the issues
but you'll always be beholden to nvidia's "charity" unless they finally open source their drivers
Fun, I just beat Risk of Rain 2 Void boss with mods with a friend, playing as the Heretic because my build was fricked, so I just fricked it even more, resulting in a broken build.
That's a couple reds.
its a lot of fun!
>Steam Deck
Retro Deck got me back into retro gaming. It's just so comfy to lounge on my bed playing Banjo Kazooie.
>PopOS
I've only had issues with The Sinking City, Black Mesa and Civ Beyond Earth. Other than that it's been as good or better than Windows.
im scared to upgrade my gpu. i will 100% do something wrong and frick up big time
if it's wayland, idk how that works but if it's X, it's really easy to do. Just start in a terminal (ctrl + alt + F1 or F2 while it's booting), login with your account, clean your drivers and update them. Maybe rebuild the xorg.conf file which I think happens anyway, and reboot.
don't know my account
Oh, well
Open a terminal and type 'whoami'
next is remembering your password
>loonix
I already hate that the Steam Deck uses it but I understand that windblows is just too dogshit for handhelds
>hates that thing just werks
lol
lmao
that thing just werks
lol
lmao
you clearly don't have a steam deck
ive had one since launch, LE arrives tomorrow
i also game purely on linux already on my desktop and have been for years now
Nothing is more troon the MS and Windows
>That pride icon that appears in your widget bar throughout all of june
>only way to get rid of it is to remove widgets altogether
LOL
>Windows
>doesn't doesn't let you remove anything and even if you get rid of a specific feature or software yourself there might be issues or Windows will simply reinstall it when the next unavoidable update happens
>Linux
>lets you unistall the bootloader if you really wanna do it
>>That pride icon that appears in your widget bar throughout all of june
the what? never seen that
learn to configure your windblows homosexualron
The pride icon appears if you follow gay shit with your account and have it configured to push news into your feed, otherwise it doesn't appear.
Wrong
It appears regardless of if you subscribe to gay shit or not. It's there in June, most of you have widgets disabled so you don't notice it.
The one YOU'RE thinking of is in the Search bar, which you can disable by telling Search not to push 'relevant interests and advertisements' because having one monument to gay shit isn't enough for Winhomosexuals LOL
how very weird that many many people are not getting it, but people that want to shitpost do get it, very interesting...
>live in muslim shithole
>surprise you ain't getting any homosexual propaganda
What's actually very weird is that wintrannies with actual troony flags built in to their OS come to linux threads to project how gay they are onto others. Frick off wintroon.
you're not fooling anyone, you're trannoids and are getting the ads on your default windows VMs inside your arch installs. Show your desktop. I 100% bet there is tranime in there.
I don't use windows because I'm not a moronic troony homosexual, now go dilate.
I knew it
It's really not possible to project any harder than wintrannies with their troony flag taskbars. Bill Gates could come shove a dildo up your ass and you'd be in here screaming about how everyone else is gay.
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST HAVE A LGBT FLAG ON YOUR DESKTOP....T-THAT MEANS YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM IS S-SHIT
Honestly yeah.
It's a sign of fricked priority from the developers.
right, but linux can have like 40% troony Rust code on the kernel and be supported and used by troonys but thats okay?
Better than pajeets.
Windows is also getting Rust'd, the wintroony is projecting.
damn, microshit must be gettin desperate.
You just defended the troony flag on your OS so we know there is at least one troony using windows. Why are you even still here?
Yes, that is correct, wintroony.
On linux you can fork away from the eunuchs pushing their sodomy. But on windows you are Lot being egged on by the homosexuals to submit.
Stage Reached: Acceptance
How dare you soil Sealguy's art with your inane trash
>insane trash
but, it's the truth?
If trannies looked like this I wouldn't have a problem with them
you mean like iammery?
>Linux gaming
>gaypex legends
>flawless corporations
>use cheater OS
>no, you can't look into my OS
>no, no, I'm "totally" not cheating
>wtf, why was I banned???
How is Linux a cheater OS?
>use Windows emulator
>no, you can't look behind the scenes
It's literally cheating heaven and thus all of them should get banned for all competitive multiplayer
>no, you can't check the files, or the kernel, or anything at all
>wtf, I am totally not cheating
>just trust me brah
>the only way to detect cheaters is to allow us to install kernel-level spyware on your machine, trust us bro
>oh yes daddy Apex, give me more of your spyware cummies
>no, you can't look if my kernel modifies anything
>just trust me brah
There is no right to play competitive.
You can play cheater lobbies.
VAC works just fine without kernel access on windows as well.
VAC is garbage and doesn't detect cheaters at all.
Wow so it works just as well as all the other anti-cheats
amazing
Linux cheaters are not cheating in fortnite
cope
I don't play homosexual eboy shooters like valorant or apex, but you're a moron if you think it's acceptable to install this kind of anticheat when they could very easily and more effectively detect cheaters on the server itself. Keep taking it up the ass.
>I don't play
Good, so why do you care?
>anticheat le bad
>just trust me brah
Good, play cheater lobbies for all multiplayer games.
Anticheat exists because you can't trust morons like you.
I care because morons like you who believe everything companies say make the landscape worse for everyone. They shouldn't be allowed to install this spyware on your machine. Even if you don't care about being spied on, they're using your drive space for no reason. They could be doing it in their own hardware.
>muh spyware
>just trust me brah, I'm not using an aimbot
I don't, and you belong banned.
>you can detect aimbots and wallhacks server-side
>you can detect aimbots and wallhacks server-side
Yes, dipshit. Why am I not surprised a wintoddler is this tech illiterate?
No.
The game client has to get a message that a player is near you with exact position.
Unless of course you want that every game is not running on your computer anymore, but is streamed and running on someone else's computer.
You have no clue how multiplayer games work. Just stay in your wintoddler playpen and be quiet.
>a game client doesn't need to know positions of players that are near you
>just send the positions when you calculated that they are fully visible on the client
>before that there is no need to send any positions
>also frick audio, audio should be disabled anyway
>linux
>gaming
HAHAHAHAHAHA... now THAT is a good joke
It's still 2023, but it will only get better in 2024 with new kernels, mesa and plasma 6.
>Windows 7 dies
"Yeah, i am still not switching to gay ass Linux - I don't mind Windows 10 being spyware - Everyone already has my data anyway and i can get rid of most of the spyshit by tinkering my system a lot and blocking all MS ports on my router"
>Windows 10 support dies in 2025
"I will just switch to Windows 11 - yes i know about Pluton and MS being able to track literally everything i do on my system - I am still not installing Linux - i already gave up most control with Windows 10 anyway so whats the big deal?"
>Windows 11 gets replaced by MS new upcoming cloud OS
Still not switching to Linux - I actually like how Microsoft is now hosting all my data. I don't even have my own harddrive anymore. Piracy is basically dead anyway and modern games suck i wouldn't download those anyway - It's just 5 bucks a month for Windows 12 basic shut the frick up and stop complaining"
I like the
>You want privacy? but you own a smartphone right? LOL
copeposts
>>You want privacy? but you own a smartphone right? LOL
this is true
Nothing wrong with smartphones as long as you keep it isolated.
Sure, Let Google/Apple know that BIGNIGDIGGER is spending a lot of time in the McD at Times Square and the local library.
>loonix troonix is so shit people would rather have a cloud OS than install it
>loonix troons still can't see the issue
The only issue is most users buy prebuilt hardware designed to run Windows, and will never consider doing anything other than buying a prebuilt system with an OS already installed.
Of course that works both ways, all it took was one major pre-installed Linux gaming system for users on Steam to more than double and pass MacOS X and Windows 7 years before anyone expected it previously.
With the rate Valve is selling Steam Decks now, Linux might be 10% of English-speaking users by this time next year.
That#s the core issue really. People hate doing system management in any possible way.
Most people who buy the Steam Deck of course run it with SteamOS as intended. Just like people who buy prebuilds stick to the already installed version of Linux.
It's all a matter of convience and no major switch to Linux will happen unless systems come with Linux pre-installed or Windows gets so incredibly bad that people have no choice but to abandon it - which probably won't happen until their Cloud OS shit really starts becoming a thing with many refusing to switch simply because they don't wanna pay a sub for a fricking OS.
*installed version of Windows
>update gamescope on arch
>doesn't work anymore
lel, gonna wait for a fix and until then I'm gonna play other games
you know you can just downgrade and pin it right
yeah, but as I said, I just use it for two games I'm not playing right now
Pretty good.
KDE Plasma is so clean. Beautiful.
I'm honestly surprised that the autism of the linux community has allowed them to make not only Genshin Impact but also most of Hoyoverse gacha playable on Linux
Being able to play Genshin on Linux or not was the last thing keeping me on windows
Here's hoping they're autistic enough to make Girl's Frontline 2 playable when it comes out
The power of autism is one hell of a drunk.
DXVK and with that proton plus Steam Deck only exist because one german guys autism wouldn't allow him to dualboot into Windows for Nier Automata. He wrote an entire translation layer just to play this game on his Linux distro.
>windows
TWO
CONTEXT
MENUS
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm glad that we agree that Windows is for trannies and Linux is also for trannies, but it doesn't work for games either.
>Install Steam
>Linux: ARE YOU TRYING TO DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER?!!!
in that case it was actually true, because Steam package was fricked up or something
should maintainer of that package be eternally bullied for fricking up exactly when spotlight was on that distro?
should his frickup be hanged and displayed as a warning to other maintainers?
Both sides are damned. Linus has proven himself inferior to Gamer's Nexus.
It was not actually true. It took the DE out back and shot it but the system was still functional, as shown immediately after with him logged into a TTY. He solved it the Windows way by doing a complete OS reinstall but didn't dare bother google random terminal commands now.
>Hey bruh this package relies on old libraries, so if you install this, you'll be asking your OS to
>YES!!! DO AS I SAY!!!!!!!
lol
all would have been avoided if he just used the flatpak that the store suggested, too
Besides some games that games that devs don't care to do tiny amount of work to make them playable; better than windows gaming by far and miles ahead of igay gaming
I'm dumbfounded that Dead Space 2023 runs better on proton than on native windows
The worst part is that it's far from the only game where that's the case
Yeah, like Starfield. It's a shit game but an autist got it working.
Its because nothing is 'native' anymore on Windows. Drivers developed for Windows often use an internal vendor API higher-level than Vulkan to implement D3D. Plus of course win32 applications have run through a compatibility layer on NT OSes from the start.
Some hardware vendors have already started to change the way they do things, Intel was straight up using DXVK in their Windows drivers because it was better than what they had before.
Sad thing is that most game would perform better on GNU/Linux than Windows even with just Wine/Proton if develpores only did some optimization. But with SteamOS maybe it changes in future.
>IT JUST WERKS
Looks fine to me.
noooo bros not my favorite game of fifa or atlas whatever the frick is this
also, i've extensively played bannerlord on proton loooong time ago and it was flawless, should be platinum
Sorry your trash OS doesn't run games without having to spend hours tweaking it and even then it won't work as intended. Literally wasting money on hardware that the OS will never fully utilize.
NOOOO NOT
>mir4
???
the only game on that list I had to tweak to get working was XIV, and it took 2 minutes, and that problem was fixed like a week later anyway
why is R6 borked?
I'm sorry for your enjoyment of Handball 2030
everything else looks fine
if I were you, I would start dual-booting
big Linux partition, small Windows one just for those two games
Ubisoft doesn't want to enable support, playing offline works. Same shit as bungie with destiny.
Good evening friends, I'd like to know how these run on Linux:
>Duckstation
>Retroarch
>CEMU
>Ryujinx
>PCSX2
God bless you friends, have a nice day.
they all run fine
good day sir
>this ancient game that's easily emulated on a PSP can't run native on loonix without changing shit and still having bugs and glitches
>troonix supporters defend this
>that's easily emulated on a PSP
Why don't just emulate on Linux then?
He doesn't actually care about playing Metal Slug, he just wants an excuse to stay on windows where his LGBTQP+ flags make him feel accepted.
why should I go around downloading emulators and pirating a copy of it
when I could just play it NATIVE
that is if I don't run it on loonix
>when I could just play it NATIVE
Its not native on Windows. The download includes the ROM. It just runs through an outdated version of the same emulator compiled for Windows.
I bought all the NEO GEO games I could years ago, and I run them legally with an emulator. Wish more companies would do the same.
what compilation? im up for some neo geo
https://www.gog.com/en/games?developers=snk-corporation
GoG black friday sale is probably the best way right now.
AWESOME! Thanks!
There's no native version of Metal Slug. They just wrap the game in an emulator that automatically launches it.
Linux troonys only argument against windows is
>muh privacy
>muh lgbt flag
>muh indian workers
computer only does what I tell it to on linux
except when you tell it to play a video game
no, it does that too. I just press the play button on steam
>crashes before main menu
>3 fps
>broken memory caching causing the game to hitch every time new assets need to be loaded and rendered
I love how desperate the strawmanning gets when you tell a windows user; yes, you can play video games. God I love linux. It lives so rent free in your homosexual head you'll willing to waste hours of your life crying about its existence online.
>strawmanning
it's not a strawman when these things literally happened to me when i tried to game on linux. FOSS is a good thing, but you're never winning anybody over by presenting yourselves as homosexual tech elitists and fighting made up boogeymen "microsoft worshippers". i like to PLAY my video games, not tinker with a computer until video games can even run on it.
>i like to PLAY my video games, not tinker with a computer until video games can even run on it.
Maybe you should get a Nintendo Switch then because you constantly have to do that on windows, too, there's even a big website about it.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Home
is this supposed to be a gotcha? no shit old unsupported abandonware needs fan patches to function on modern hardware and OSes. the difference is that linux needs this kind of troubleshooting ALL THE TIME with ANY game that doesn't run natively on it.
>the difference is that linux needs this kind of troubleshooting ALL THE TIME
LOL, no. Things mostly just work. When they don't the most common fix is simply changing the compatibility tool being used for a more recent version, or using the GE version.
>with ANY game that doesn't run natively on it.
Same deal with modern Windows. Nothing is native, and you have less tools at your disposal. Devs have to do a ton of work behind the scenes to keep things running every time Windows updates and changes their compatibility layer.
This is the real reason Valve is investing in Proton BTW. The whole idea is Valve ultimately wants to use Proton everywhere.
>modern
>nothing works
>it's for me, le modern audience, with its tablet style teletubby UI
>it's the fault of the games, not the fault of the OS
lmao
>linux needs this kind of troubleshooting ALL THE TIME with ANY game that doesn't run natively on it.
No, it really doesn't, most of the games that need tinkering with are the same ones in my steam library that I had to tinker with on windows and some of those I don't even have to tinker with anymore on linux. Otherwise you select the proton version and run the game. I don't consider clicking a drop down menu as "tinkering" and that's all it takes to play most games.
>broken memory caching causing the game to hitch every time new assets need to be loaded and rendered
The ironic part of this shitpost is in reality Elden Ring had its shader caching problems fixed on day 1 on linux while windows was fricked for weeks.
>that soya sauce face
I hate the modern world.
>Elden Ring had its shader caching problems fixed on day 1
God bless proton
huh huh, sure
>tell it to install steam
>tries to unalive itself
yup, exactly what the user told it to do
I'm not a poopOS user. It just werks(tm) on my machine, homosexual
>it's just that gay flavor of loonix that's bad
>mine works I swear!
every fricking time
>the user told it to do
Wrong. Why the frick would an OS give you the option to nuke your entire PC when you install Steam???? regardless if the user selects yes or no, it was the OS that gave the prompt, it's so shit.
Nothing was "nuked" you tech illerate homosexual moron. The desktop environment was removed and could have easily been added back even after a reboot and been back to normal in less than a minute.
>regardless if the user selects yes or no, it was the OS that gave the prompt, it's so shit.
So you want your computer to baby you and override your choices even when you manually confirm you know what you're doing? Fricking dipshit, stay on mac or windows.
>stay on mac or windows.
that's the idea, troony
Enjoy your playpen, tech illiterate troony
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2022/06/01/microsoft-celebrates-pride-around-the-world-even-in-the-metaverse-as-we-donate-to-lgbtqia-nonprofits-release-xbox-pride-controller-and-more/
please suicide like your OS keeps trying to do
My install is going on 4 years, keep seething wintroon
https://unlocked.microsoft.com/pride/
>like your OS keeps trying to do
my homo, you do realise that industry uses Linux because of it's rock-solid stability?
you trying to insult me by calling me mentally stable?
peak clown world
>rock-solid stability
lmao
yeah next to it's "security"
It gets used BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP.
Windows killed itself (and my data along with it).
Linux hasn't done it so cope, winjeet.
Fricking incompetent pajeets everywhere are the big problem, remember the Boeing crashes. Also, a pajeet made his own meme distro called Garuda and somehow managed to delete everybody's home directories after pushing an update.
Its even funnier considering that reinstalling windows on a drive that had a corrupted windows is impossible even after wiping the drive.
But installing linux on that drive? Works like a charm.
>reinstalling windows on a drive that had a corrupted windows is impossible even after wiping the drive.
Source? I never had this kind of problem with windows before I moved to linux. Can't you just reformat?
My personal experience.
Windows wouldn't install properly on a formatted drive.
>Wrong. Why the frick would an OS give you the option to nuke your entire PC when you install Steam????
It didn't, you see if you or Linus read that prompt: He had to specifically enter the administrator environment (red flag #1) tell the operating system to ignore all safety checks (red flag #2) not read the prompt telling him what those checks were doing (red flag #3) and finally, at the very last part, tell the operating system in a clear and concise manner
>YES
>FOR FRICK'S SAKE
>DO AS I SAY
It didn't give him the "option", he forced the OS to do it. It's like saying Winblows sucks wiener because you can go right into the C:Windows directly and shift+delete System 32 and only have to press "YES!" to one prompt to let it happen
Like
What the frick do you want the OS to do? It had more guardrails to keep that from happening than Windows does deleting System32.
linus only installed steam, he didn't run any code to nuke the machine, he only tried to install steam and linux being so shit said, ok but you have to nuke your machine first.
At the time he did it, it was a known issue with that package, and had been publicized.
Not saying he knew because I doubt he follows Linux news, but he also managed to perfectly follow the steps to produce the problem and ignored a warning.
If he had done any of the recommended things when installing packages, like updating the repository, he wouldn't have had the problem.
Maybe he really is that dumb, but it reeks of the same scent as when "Top Gear" reviewed battery electric cars and had them 'break down' to match the script even though there was nothing wrong with them.
So why did he say "ok, nuke my machine then" instead of at least googling the issue first?
Let's be real, he ran into a stupid issue and as a youtube "content creator", saw a really good opportunity for content and ran with it. Sure, Poop OS maintainers should've never let it happen, but Linus also created the whole shitshow on purpose.
Linus the Cuck hates Linux so he goes out of his way to make it look bad. I’m glad to see his little soilent empire starting to fall.
He’s also a paid nShitia shill who knocks AMD every chance he gets too
>linus only installed steam
No, he didn't, to do what he was asking the computer to do: he had to install
-A new desktop environment
-New desktop libraries
-New version of Xorg
You can see it on the edge of this cropped picture
that it was asking him to install every single thing under the sun EXCEPT STEAM
If he had read that, he would realize this.
You wouldn't uninstall system32 because a program asks you to, right anon?
You need to enter sudo or an administrator mode with su in order to execute update commands. It's pretty explicit about which is which because this is the administrator mode of Linux.
>You need to enter sudo or an administrator mode with su in order to execute update commands.
That's a normal function that everyone does when they want to install a package. It's not some kind of red flag lmao
>He had to specifically enter the administrator environment (red flag #1) tell the operating system to ignore all safety checks (red flag #2)
what the frick are you talking about lmao
>he can't read
stay on windows
I'm a linuxgay. You're just making shit up at this point. He opened a terminal and used his package manager to install software like you're supposed to.
poopOS was bugged and saw a collision between steam and X11, and thought it needed to remove X11 to continue. It was wise enough to see that removing X11 was a bad idea so it forced him to type a prompt to continue. Being the brainlet that he is, he didn't even bother to read or attempt to understand what he was doing. There is equal blame to go around between user error and poopOS being a piece of shit here.
>I'm a linuxgay. You're just making shit up at this point.
>He opened a terminal and used his package manager to install software like you're supposed to.
No, you're just lying. You can see in Linus' own screenshot that it was telling him what it was going to do:
He just fricking ignored it. He didn't "OH I JUST OPENED UP TERMINAL AND INSTALLED LIKE NORM-" Bullshit, he even says in the video: His package manager wouldn't let him install Steam because of said changes it had to make to the system. What he did was then go into the terminal, force Apt to install Steam, and when apt came back and told him all of the shit changes it would have to do to the system, he wrote
>YES
>DO
>AS
>I
>SAY
You can dilate and rumble all day about this, but ultimately, he made multiple conscious decisions to make this happen. It wasn't "Oh I opened my package manager and my computer deleted itself". You're just lying.
Literally no it's not fricking lol. My software manager only does that when it wants to change system packages. Userland packages are all fair game.
Just checked, Steam does prompt for an admin password to install but it doesn't touch any system package on the computer. Literally, Linus nor any of the wintards defending him can't read.
Dude, what the frick are you talking about? You have to prefix sudo to install a package. That's normal behavior.
>Steam does prompt for an admin password to install but it doesn't touch any system package on the computer.
Apt by its very nature touches systems packages. That's its entire purpose. I didn't see the exact commands he entered, but doing something like sudo apt install steam would be an extremely normal thing to do.
>Dude, what the frick are you talking about? You have to prefix sudo to install a package. That's normal behavior.
You can literally open up your package manager right now and sync updates and it won't do that at all until it's ready to download and install. Which is what he should have done.
>Apt by its very nature touches systems packages
And?
>. I didn't see the exact commands he entered,
You can infer what it was from the command he entered
He went out of his way to ignore Pop OS' package manager, which was built-in and had guardrails to keep his system from damaging itself, to open up a terminal and invoke apt from the command line without updating the repository because the package manager does that for him.
Stop making excuses for the willful behavior of idiots.
should be noticed: The guardrails were stopping him from installing Steam, that's why he looked up some guide on Tom's Hardware or whatever that told him to open up apt and install it
regardless, apt shouldn't have removed the DE over this shit. This is pop's fault for being a piece of frick.
>just infer
>the PACKAGE MANAGER doesn't really know it
>but the average user can INFER that installing a shitty DRM client WILL destroy his system
>but the package manager doesn't
>"MAYBE THIS IS BAD, I DONT' KNOW"
Yes, I know installing Steam is a bad thing
Tell me again, for what are these "package managers" good for?
>You can infer what it was from the command he entered
Yeah, I can infer that the steam package was broken and had a collision with his entire DE during dependency resolution.
I will infer that Linux is shit and the package manager was written by poo-in-loos and thus it all should be avoided at all costs.
I can unironically infer that by the code of conduct, that is a requirement for Linux developers, which means they are mentally ill.
>I can unironically infer that by the code of conduct,
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/publish/store-developer-code-of-conduct
OH NO NO NON ONO NO NO NONONO NOOOONOO WINSISSIES
>As a developer of applications for the Microsoft Store
>store
nice try there, mentally ill moron
>He can't read the article linking to the CoC all Microsoft app devs sign
https://cdn-dynmedia-1.microsoft.com/is/content/microsoftcorp/microsoft/final/en-us/store/legal-and-policy-documents/ada/MS-Store-ADA-v8.9-FINAL-EN.pdf
WINSISSIES, HELP, WE CAN'T READ
>Microsoft store
My Windows has no "Microsoft Store" lmao
And I can just write software for it, no one asks me to sign a code of conduct, lmao
troony
WINSISSIES THE BABYDUCK HAS COME FOR ME AAAAACK-
>He went out of his way to ignore Pop OS' package manager
if you're talking about some shitty GUI wrapper, that shit is always garbage and should be avoided.
Yes, but every bit of documentation will tell you that when you install an OS, the first thing you do is update the package repository.
Similarly before you install a package, the first thing you do is update the package repository.
If he was following common instructions for what he was doing, he would have updated the repository and gotten a fixed Steam package.
He didn't, and produced a bug that was known, fixed, and publicized. Was he paying attention to the news about PopOS that came out right before he was making his video? Or was he just dumb enough to actually encounter the same error coincidentally?
>Apt by its very nature touches systems packages. That's its entire purpose. I didn't see the exact commands he entered, but doing something like sudo apt install steam would be an extremely normal thing to do.
That's the neat thing: we can both watch it and find out what he did right now:
>He goes to install Steam
>Pop OS tells him no, explains why
>He ignores it
>He then tries random forum posts online
>Says "This is stupid, this is apparently the solution"
>Install it without updating the repository
>The very bottom says "DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING"
I don't see how that's not his fault. The package manager told him what he was doing was a stupid idea, so he just starts plugging in random commands from the internet.
>I will infer that Linux is shit and the package manager was written by poo-in-loos and thus it all should be avoided at all costs.
most people here can also infer you're moronic and would run a command from the internet that consists of "DELTREE *.*" in an elevated command prompt because you think it will install Steam.
>hurr DELTREE
doesn't actually work, moron.
>DELTREE is the same as INSTALLING STEAM USING THE OFFICIAL SOFTWARE REPO AND PACKAGE MANAGER TO INSTALL STEAM
lmao
you are mentally ill
It's actually literally like Valve replacing their Steam installer with a DELTREE app and when you click on it, it deletes the system.
THAT's what this shit show actually is.
>doesn't actually work, moron.
It does work, you're just a mentally ill moron.
>It's actually literally like Valve replacing their Steam installer with a DELTREE app and when you click on it, it deletes the system.
It's not like that at all LMAO you're computer illiterate, kid.
Linus
himself
went and started plugging in random commands from the internet, not knowing what they would do.
AFTER THE OS STOPPED HIM TWICE BEFORE
>It does work
no, it doesn't.
Windows doesn't let you delete files that are in use, duh
And it also wouldn't work without a UAC prompt either lmao
And it's still not INSTALLING STEAM using official means, who then break your fricking system, moron.
>installing Steam using the package manager is "plugging in random commands from the internet"
lmao
you are mentally ill
>Mentally ill Wintroon dilating this hard
Typing
YES!!!
DO
AS
I
SAY
is not part of any normal Apt operation you computer illiterate wintroon.
>you can't just install using the official package manager, using the official Steam package, which then fricks up the system
Yes, we see that.
Linux is broken and shit.
>>you can't just install using the official package manager, using the official Steam package, which then fricks up the system
YES
DO
AS
I
SAY
>AAAAAIIEEEE WHY IS IT DOING AS I SAID
The only thing broken is the tiny peanut in your head which processes words and events. You can see the OS warning him not to do it, he does it anyway, problem lies with morons who suck his wiener.
"install Steam"
breaks the system
"yes, I told it to break my system by installing Steam, so it's my fault"
>INSTALL STEAM
>I mean, you sure man? This will break your OS-
>YES
>DO
>AS
>I
>SAY
install Steam
>hey, this MAY be a bad choice, but maybe not, I don't know
wait, I'm just installing Steam
Linux is so fricking moronic.
A proper software would figure out that it's deinstalling the GUI, and say so, and not do women-speak.
But not software written by mentally ill morons.
because you are installing a copy on an already modified system which doesn't accept steam and after that, it's like using a modified .net on your windows and then discovering that an application which needed stock .net installed it instead of the modified one causing issues on your system, sometimes the system works but other times the thing was so essential that it fricks it up, it isn't woman speak but being honest, windows directly doesn't advice this shit while linux advices and does marking, it literally does the thing you are talking about and you are getting angry by being moronic.
yes, the update counter is there and forces you to update after a while.
nvidia has the issue of being pieces of shit towards linux rather than linux being bad, i understand that your hardware has issues but it can be easily solved with custom drivers, at this moment amd and everything else works, nvidia in general still works surprisingly well on linux by literally the stock drivers being reverse engineered pieces which are made by multiple tests and no real code to work with, i don't like it but it's an honest issue which requires the use of more nvidia hardware on linux rather than dismissal to find the bugs and fix the gpu processes to make it work.
it does by showing the file which is fricked and then the package, on the worst cases it shows the software which can't connect to or the need of a certain library, it does it but not any system is perfect and can see libraries which require other libraries to analyze, windows doesn't even do this and just let's you out of the blue unless the software you are installing has real error prompts, something that depends of the software creator and normally is forgotten, something that linux doesn't have because the OS does it for you.
after that having an error*
is causing issues on your system*
>the system doesn't accept Steam
wut
>I'm not acting like a woman, I just don't accept you
schizo
>A proper software would figure out that it's deinstalling the GUI
Linux is not a proper software. There is your answer
>>you can't just install using the official package manager,
But he didn't install using the official package manager. Why do you lie? Why are you looking at a video of the man recording himself not using the official package manager for his distribution and say "This man is using an official package manager"
No he's not, you can see the package manager stop him. He went into the terminal to use apt directly. That's not the official way to download software in Pop OS!
So tell me, are you lying because you're disingenuous or lying because you think no one else watched the video?
Either ways, you chose to lie about something we both can watch unfold in the video he posted on his official account. Are you saying we can't trust that?
The """"""official""""""" package manager is just a gui front end to the actual package manager.
>WARNING YOU ARE GOING TO DO BAD SIR DO NOT REDEEM THE PACKAGE!!! THE ESSENTIAL PACKAGES GO SIR
That's not a useful error message. I repeat
>There is no reason it shouldn't just be smart enough to straight up tell you to update your system first, because it can see the age of the repos and the age of the steam dependencies.
and that is enough because the package manager shows the errors on the gui.
the system is smart enough by telling you that it will frick your system directly by saying that it damages essential files, you want a system which goes to the future and sees how the issue will be rather than listen to the advice which literally says:
>moron, this will frick essential shit which is important and will most likely frick your shit, wanna do it?
something that no OS can't do, windows doesn't do that shit either an is worse by not telling and letting you with a paper weight system with no explanation which takes a shit ton to install and is annoying to deal with
>by telling you that it will frick your system
That's what it doesn't do.
It does women-speak
"maybe I will destroy your flat and scratch your car, or maybe not"
Well it actually says that if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't do that.
A mansplanation, which informs you that
>Yes you can do this
>You probably don't want to do this if you don't know what you're doing
>Well it actually says that if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't do that.
Stop lying troony.
Anyone can check the screenshot.
It literally says:
"You are about to do something POTENTIALLY harmful"
It also says "these packages will be UPGRADED"
This means that it does not know, has no clue what it is doing, was written by incompetent pajeets
Only a mentally ill moron would defend shit software like this, but you continue doing so.
>there is no way to MARK packages that are part of the system, like the GUI accordingly and warn about them in clear English that you are uninstalling the GUI
>no, you can only tell that "maybe it will be bad, or maybe it will be good, Are you sure sirs?"
Hello pajeet
the error message tells you nothing to actually resolve the situation, it doesn't tell you why any of this is happening
>But he didn't install using the official package manager.
>He went into the terminal to use apt directly.
>apt is not the official package manager of the system
let's fact check this
https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-apt-command/
apt is a command-line utility for installing, updating, removing, and otherwise managing deb packages on Ubuntu, Debian, and related Linux distributions.
You are mentally ill.
>sudo apt-get install steam
wow, so exactly what I said
You implied that he was doing some SUPER DANGEROUS fix !!! RED FLAG !!! RED FLAG !!! and removing a bunch of packages he shouldn't be touching. No, he was actually doing what any normal linux user would do to install software.
>but he didn't update his repos
Ok, but should trying to install a package without up to date repos really destroy your entire DE and xorg? At the very least there should be better error handling. Like, the package manager should be smart enough to see that the dependencies steam wants are chronologically newer than everything on the system and say "HEY!! Your system is out of date, your dependencies will not work for this software until you update!" so that the user could actually know what the frick is going on.
>wow, so exactly what I said
No, actually the opposite of what you said.
>You implied that he was doing some SUPER DANGEROUS fix !!
Yes
>! RED FLAG !!! RED FLAG !!!
Yes and Yes
You can see these red flags on
-The Package manager (Warns him on this operation)
-APT (warns him of this operation)
-APT AGAIN (tells him not to do it)
That's three red flags he ignored to get to that point.
There is no defending the man, he ignored warnings from his operating system specifically telling him what would happen because he thought "It's all linux bullshit who cares" then complained when his OS broke.
this can be done on windows by doing bad update order and breaking shit, at least linux tells you that it breaks shit unlike windows and is ordered so each iteration doesn't break the other.
it's the case, windows updates do that shit each month, you lying or disabling the updates doesn't deny that.
1/2 megs each two weeks is still a lot less than 1 gb and unlike windows you can choose not to update.
>you wrote a single word incorrectly soo th-
tried*
there moron.
that's the reason it's a piece of shit, it takes too much to update, removes your fricking settings, breaks shit which uses certain software and causes slow down by updates which add bloat to an already slow and bloated system with a shit ton of input lag, performance issues and high requirements to boot.
>shit ton of input lag, performance issues and high requirements to boot
works on my machine with a 7200rpm hard drive and a 4th gen i7
>each month
no, they don't do that.
it does, read the time counter dude, that shit is there and is a thing which is forced a lot of the time, windows works like that and even windows users say that it does.
no.
You didn't even listen to a word I just said. Everything he did before YES, DO AS I SAY!!! was normal user behavior. Typing sudo apt-get install steam is normal user behavior. Nothing about that is a red flag.
saying
>BUT HE TYPED IN SUDO!!
just made you look like a massive moron. Of course he did, he's using apt.
The package manger went full moron. The package manager should be able to provide useful error messages in a case like this. It did not. Linus went full moron by ignoring the package manager freaking out, but it shouldn't do that in the first place. There is no reason it shouldn't just be smart enough to straight up tell you to update your system first, because it can see the age of the repos and the age of the steam dependencies. This is a case of poor user experience just as much as it is linus incompetence.
>The package manager should be able to provide useful error messages in a case like this. It did not.
But it did. You can see it in his video
He doesn't read it, instead saying something about "Ubuntu did the same thing to me", but he didn't read the error message at all to see what it said.
Again why are you lying? You just continue to tell lie, after lie, after lie and I can't help but wonder what you gain from it.
>error message
There is no error message.
It literally says that it doesn't know if it's good or bad. So if the moronic package manager can't tell, how should the user?
Anon... look at the picture
>WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
That is the most "you are entering dangerous territory" text you could possibly find. The only reason it's not an "error message" is that the program didn't stop, but it is essentially an error message.
"install Steam"
"WARNING: these packages will be removed, but these others are added"
Yes, I'm installing Steam, what's the actual problem?
>This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing.
I'm trying to install Steam?
What's the problem, Linux?
Stop defending shit software.
>these packages are removed, these are added, these are upgraded
>it MAY be harmful, but MAYBE not
>"WARNING: these packages will be removed, but these others are added"
Holy shit anon did you miss everything after it like WHICH packages are being removed?
>you need to know what every package is, by name
>but it's okay that the PACKAGE MANAGER of your system doesn't know
lmao
I keep saying "YES!! DO AS I SAY!!" because it is the counterpoint to "LINUS DINDU NUFFIN!" and "THE PACKAGE MANAGER WENT FULL moron!" when it was telling him to make specific commands to do his little full moron demand.
lol
lmao even
moron, the package manager adviced him that it wasn't right by him installing a piece of software before and telling him not to do it because it breaks shit.
he didn't take into account that he needs to uninstall one thing and then do the install
he was told three times in the sudo that he shouldn't do it
and he still did it and fricked and made shit by being a moron which would have fricked up on any OS in existance.
this can be done on windows if you install a modified steam and i don't see morons saying that is the fault of the OS but of them, even with that linux has a direct problem breakthrough on his package managers and is quicker to recover with live usb, reinstalls and even fix on the system itself.
wasting 40% more disk space and going slow as shit while having 4 more frames of input lag.
be happy literally and change to something that works, it's even free so you don't have to get dick ridded by windows, i won't suppose what you are but try linux, it's really good.
>i won't suppose what you are but try linux, it's really good.
i have a few times on bare metal actually. used it for a month on my laptop with amd.its okay. but after trying again on desktop its just shit. screen tearing in browsers, programs not remembering their window position and size, font rendering is fricking awful, nvidia cant even decode videos in a browser so you have to copy paste shit to mpv
>Everything he did before YES, DO AS I SAY!!! was normal user behavior
No, normal behavior would have including updating the repository, either after installing the OS, or before installing software. Taking that normal action, which is in all the guides would have fixed the bug.
He either out of gross incompetence, or intentional desire to make a more 'entertaining' video for his Windows using audience, managed to produce a bug that was publicized and fixed before he started his 'Linux challenge'.
>forget to update your repos
>next time you try to install a package your entire system is on the precipice of total collapse
Yeah, no, that's moronic. The package manager can SEE the age of all the dependencies involved. It SHOULD BE smart enough to tell you "hey, these packages are newer than anything on the repo, update your system first, dummy!". It's morons like you defending this dumb shit that is the reason the year of the linux desktop will never come, because you don't actually give a frick about user experience. This is such a stupid hill to die on.
how fricking moronic is this package manager even?
>GUI components
>somehow Steam *INSTALLATION* can uninstall them, although there should be dependencies to EVERY SINGLE GUI program and thus causing it to not uninstall them
Linux package managers are literally moronic.
there are a million of little dependencies involved, there is version mismatching happening where steam needs dicksucker.lib.1.2.0 but the system is using dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 so removing dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 means you have to uninstall everything that depends on it
Then that would be an upgrade, and it should all work.
But it isn't, it's literally uninstalling the GUI, which should not even be possible in the first place.
>it's literally uninstalling the GUI, which should not even be possible in the first place.
It definitely should be.
No.
GUI software installed
Package manager: let's uninstall the GUI, because the user tried to install more GUI software
That makes zero sense, but maybe it does to the mentally ill.
that's not how versioning works
if dicksucker.lib.1.2.0 changes any of the functionality of dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 and software that depends on dicksucker.lib.0.1.9 tries to use the newer version, it will just break
my entire argument is just hey look, we can look at the repos and see that we don't even know about dicksucker.lib.1.2.0 so the package manager should be smart enough to deduce that our system isn't up to date and that updating would probably fix the problem
>it will just break
only when morons designed it.
the system is good for that by telling you that a thing will frick x which is the case of this, doing that thing is impossible unless the package creator was in contact with the package manager creator and told him about a complete change to make him code a custom response which is already solved by the system telling you that you shouldn't do that action by the next package needing a new version of something you system depends (which could be fixed by updating or removing it, something that the system can't discriminate because it's something which a lot of libraries which could check if the solution was correct would be deleted after the fact and would make that check impossible), windows doesn't tell shit on those cases and a lot of pcs have died by bad applications installs or even windows installations.
the system just tells you the truth, it doesn't know the ramifications but it would recommend that you didn't do that.
it's literally; don't do it but if you really know what will happen you can do it.
for the other question: there's windows installs which require for certain software modified libraries and the thing i'm talking about happens.
windows installs with custom software/specific software or modded versions*
The Software GUI would normally update the packages automatically. He intentionally didn't use a software GUI installer.
Any guide to using apt at the command line would have started with telling the user to update the repository, he didn't do that.
Linus somehow put his system into the exact state to produce a bug that was known and fixed at the time he made his video.
Again, maybe he really is that incompetent, but it smells funny that he ignored the guides, ignored the warnings, and broke his system on camera.
>you should not use the package manager yourself
>you should use the GUI only
>no one should use command line ever
Don't you say that about Windows all the time?
And why wasn't it properly implemented in the package manager, but hacked into the GUI package manager which runs on top of the actual package manager?
because the package manager has it implemented by the error messages, the GUI only shows that with buttons if you like it, the anon is just telling you that if he didn't knew how to use the terminal he should have just the easy option which was the GUI.
>still can't read
Heh.
Except that he didn't do it like he was supposed to, because he didn't update the repository first. Which is a thing that all the directions for a Debian based distribution will tell you to if you are going to do it that way, and something the GUI application would normally do automatically.
Somehow he managed to put the system into the exact state he needed to in order to produce what was at that time a very well publicized bug, that was already fixed.
It also forces repository updates to be done automatically if he used Pop OS' package manager, you notice what he's not in and not using when he is doing this installation in his video?
>yup, exactly what the user told it to do
Yes
>user is installing steam
>loonix tries to unalive itself
>user doesn't notice it's a suicide attempts and tells it OK
>loonix succeeds in suiciding
>this is the user's fault according to troonix defenders
that's the greatest example of loonix being a troon OS, it even attempts suicide just like its users
The computer was still fine and very much usable. Why do you want your computer to decide whether you're right or wrong?
>>this is the user's fault
>USER does something
>Operating system tells him not to do it
>USER tells operating system to do it
>Operating system tells him to type out a very specific command to ensure USER wants to do something immensely stupid
>USER types out that command
>This isn't the USER's fault
just curious do you get dysentery from the Ganges this time of year?
Those are all pretty good arguments.
>I will constantly call you trannies but you are not allowed to point out the lgbt flag in my system or call me Indian that's just not cash money of you
>only argument against windows is
>muh privacy
You need more?
Privacy is a fricking meme in 2023.
If it's such a meme, share your banking information, your credit card, and your SIN.
>If buying an expensive car is a meme then give me your car
Nice try shifting the goalpost.
>privacy
>a meme
Where's that banking information sirs the village won't feed itself.
Remember! Buy a new or used care before 2026, the latter are going to explode in price.
>be zoomer anon
>grow up in digital panopticon, taught "you don't need privacy if you don't have anything to hide" as a core value.
>would be in trouble if I ever had a dangerous thought and expressed it.
>only use corporate approved walled garden software on my operating system, my hardware straining under the footprint of my AI OS copilot making sure I don't break any trust and safety protocols.
>luckily I'll only have the socially acceptable opinions, vote for the correct approved politicians, and see only verified and validated websites.
God windows users are depressing. I'd be worried but my entire retirement plan hinges on jailbreaking you fools out of the digital hellscape you'll put yourselves into when shit gets 'too real'.
He's kinda right though. How many people will use Linux but have a fricking Google account, watch YouTube, have a steam account etc etc etc... not only that some distros have built in telemetry.
Does that mean you should use Windows? No. Because at the end of the day, the telemetry on Linux is from 3rd party programs you'd be using and not the OS itself.
That's why I use Linux in the first place.
I am choosing to give Google my data by using chrome
I am choosing to give them more of my data by using Google Drive
I am choosing to give them even more data by watching Youtube
Arch does not take any data and allows me to see that fact.
Windows would just take my data even during installation.
>I choose
No, you don't.
You use Google garbage already when you install Steam, and Valve doesn't tell you that or asks for permissionf for Google.
One day you will understand how the world works anon... I am jealous though
So I want to cut my dick off and transition into a Linux user, how do I make my desktop look like this?
proton ge gets better by the day, i'm getting better performance than i do on windows in pretty much every game
Gaming is good now
The problem for me is a bunch of random software I use doesn't have Linux versions. I'm still gonna try to live without all of them for my next build
90% of games werk. Most of the biggest currently popular multiplayer titles don't werk because of anti-cheats.
Personally I think it's pretty nice, good enough that I'd rather give up the few games that don't work than use modern Windows, but the only multiplayer I play these days is coop games with friends so ymmv.
holy ESL
Its better than windows by far. There isn't a single game you can't run
>please suicide like your OS keeps trying to do
NEVER HAPPENED ON MY MACHINE
>AAAIEEEEEE WINXISTERS MY OS IS KILLING ITSELF AGAIN I CAN'T TURN OFF BETA TUESDAY UPDATES AAAAACKCKKK
Fun as frick specially piracy is so goddamn easy
Pretty good. The only games I can’t play are MO with anti cheats.
Shit. Anyone claiming otherwise is straight up lying to you.
It's like emulator gays trying to laugh at switchies for playing games with visual glitches.
Playing basic old games sometimes needs hours of tinkering. Ironically the latest AAA slip works much better on Linux.
Either way, it's just not there yet.
>switchies
Hello nu-fren from Reddit. How did you hear about us? Did you register your account with us yet?
Oh and please go back to your r/sub and never come here again.
Buh Bye!
broken
as always
>just updeet
>more stuff broken
>just one more updeet
>even more stuff broken
>t's the Ndivia drivers
>(it's actually incompetent programming in wine)
TFW keeping the windows machine for ONE program.
The 'eck changed everything. It's a level of polish shitdows can't manage.
If Linux was any good there'd be more than 2% using it. Steam Surveys say otherwise tho.
It's literally free and runs on a Pentium 3 third world toaster so you think everyone would jump at it if it was any good. Truth is, many did jump at it. But it just isn't any good.
The only guy I know still sticking to Linux is a guy with the highest end rig possible. And even he has constant issues. Get kicked out of games, games take forever to launch or maybe won't launch at all depending on the day, and oh yes I forgot: he can't join windows player lobbies so we always have to join his games despite his internet being shite in games like vt2.
>If Linux was any good there'd be more than 2% using it. Steam Surveys say otherwise tho.
Steam Survey says you speak Chinese and eat dog every day between playing skydiving simulator at your foxconn suicide net factory:
So do you? If not, then you admit those surveys aren't worth shit.
installed arch in 2018 and have used it since
experience thus far has been surprisingly solid, i had way more issue with "noob" distros like ubuntu
all my favorite games are on it so it good
Linux plays WoW, and that's unironically the only game I play.
I have other games installed, but I just don't touch them for some reason.
I really hated Windows 11, so I made the switch to Arch a few months ago. Couldn't be happier.
Here's the other games I have installed, for what it matters.
>Tales of Arise
>Witcher 3
>AC6
>Crash
>Dragonquest
>edge of eternity
>a hat in time
>nier automata
>scarlet nexus
>star ocean the divine force
Those are in my library and they work. I don't know about the rest, haven't bought them.
3
https://www.protondb.com/app/292030
"The launcher screen is pitch black, I had to disable it to be able to start the game."
To revert to DX11: Set "fallback": "DirectX 11" in the file launcher-configuration.json.
Performance:
Slight Performance Problems
DX12 performance is much worse than DX11, so I reverted to DX11.
>perfectly
lmao
Trannies are so fricking dishonest.
>perfectly
I never said that in my posted games list. Also mine just works after clicking it. Same with A Hat in Time.
>it starts up
>that means it works
>that one game crashes when loading the first stage
>but that counts as works for me, because the title screen showed up
kys
Not my fault you bought an Nvidia GPU. Just werks for me on AMD.
>it's the fault of Nvidia
>that's why an assert() comes up in my windows emulator
schizo
>performance
>DX12
Can't fault the OS for the developers moronation.
>it's everyone's fault, except our garbage windows emulator
But the video shows win10 having the exact same problem.
>Someone said this game didn't work for them at one time
>everyone else who says they play it must be a lying troony!
With that logic we can go to the microsoft forums and conclude that everyone using windows has a bluescreening brick for a computer that will never boot.
A Hat In Time is even rated GOLD, which means totally broken
But nice try there.
>but it boots up into the start screen, that means it works fine
You are mentally ill.
The frick are you even talking about? There are reviews in your own link that say it works great.
Yes, Steamies love to lie a lot.
>Tomb Raider 2
>crash when Lara dies
>it works GREAT and PERFECTLY, just don't die
lmao
I just read that someone's windows computer crashed, that means yours did too you lying, mentally ill troony!
>it's the computer
No, the software freezes, because the Windows emulator is a broken piece of shit
*RATED GOLD
Mentally ill troony a poster on the microsoft forums said they can't boot their computer, how are you posting here if that windows machine isn't working? Your computer has crashed you fricking schizo.
Anyone on here and try out Tomb Raider 2 on proton and confirm that Linux users are liars, including (you)
>it's the system, it's not our shitty windows emulator
>when Lara dies and the game freezes, that's an Nvidia problem, actually a hardware program, our Windows emulator works perfectly
One could poison protondb, by posting that all games work perfectly, when they don't.
This will discredit proton forever
It's funny, because you can tell how much Linux users and Steamies lie, which is a lot and you can check it yourself.
>Just use OpenLARA
Yeah, actually do that, and then actually try to play the game and see how far you get.
How to spot liars: actually try out what they say.
and the cutscenes don't work
and the frame rate is garbage
but besides that, it totally works
i was able to start the training level once
>Slight Performance Problems
still better than shitOS 11 :^)
not Windows, but nice try, troony
>a hat in time
https://www.protondb.com/app/253230
Performance:
Significant Performance Problems
unusual stutterings
Instability:
Frequently
Game crashes loading the first stage
Crashed my PC even forcing experimental or GE
>Furry
>LGBTQ
>Plays World of Sylvanas
>Linux
It all makes sense now.
Tauren aren't furry.
They've been in the game since vanilla. Hell, since Alpha even.
The only horde race that's furry is Vulpera.
The frick is this cope? They furry.
I disagree
There is a hard line between "Furry" and "Beast Race"
This is a furry
And this is a beast race
perfect.
I never saw "gaming on linux" threads before when I was on windows... now I see them everyday... odd
isn't "flatpak" moronic shit, where you download all components over and over again and store them separately and thus waste disc space and RAM?
Maybe someone intelligent should have designed Linux, Windows doesn't do that.
NTA but you clearly haven't tried flatpak.
Flatpak has a similar concept as portable programs on windows. Imagine a program that works across all versions of windows, across all the ages, starting from 3.1 to 11. That's flatpak.
No, flatpak is shit and garbage.
https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
At the time of this writing, the latest KCalc AppImage (if you can even figure out how to download it) is 152 MB. For a calculator.
Flatpak solves the dependency hell problem. That alone is reason enough to use it.
>just store every single library per application
>waste bandwidth and disc space and RAM
>this is a solution
No, it's a hack and a stupid idea and terrible programming.
Someone should have simply designed Linux properly. Windows doesn't do that shit. And other Operating Systems also don't, because it's moronic.
windows does that shit on his portable apps, it's worse because it contains them with separate libraries and running an instance for each app wasting more resources, flatpaks are just a way to get programs when the application is a dependency hell (something that windows has as well and is the fault of the maintainer of the software rather than the OS ) or because it's only available there.
Keeping the same library around for 100 programs is moronic.
>security bug in a library
>now update all 100 programs
See how stupid this is?
it isn't because you can just update the library once and fix those issues instead of having programs which are broken while others don't work at all or have vulnerabilities by mismatches or bugs not solved on the newer libraries.
that's one of the reasons windows has a ton of viruses anon, aside from that windows has united libraries but half asses it by using united and external libraries at the same time to check instead of doing one or the other.
>update the library once
it seems you do not understand what a flatpak actually is.
Flatpak means you have a copy of every single library in every single package.
This means that you can't just update it once, you have to update EVERY SINGLE flatpak package.
When you don't update all, you will be vulnerable, which is why flatpak is a moronic thing to do.
btw. this also means that if you run 5 programs and all 5 use the same library, you still won't be loading this library ONCE, but you load it 5 times, and thus waste tons of RAM on top of that, which is also moronic.
dependencies are a solution to statically linked bloat hell
appimages and flatpaks are two different things
both are shit and tarded.
https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
Note that the app package itself is only 4.4 MB. The rest is all redundant libraries that are already on my system. I just ran the kcalc binary straight out of its Flatpak install path unsandboxed and let it use my native libraries. It ran just fine, because all of the libraries it uses are backwards compatible.
full on tarded
If you install GIMP in Fedora 34’s Software store, it defaults to Fedora’s Flatpak of GIMP. This pulls in Fedora 35’s 650 MB runtime, not any freedesktop.org runtime. Nothing will be shared with our freedesktop runtime KCalc we installed from Flathub earlier. On my machine /var/lib/flatpak is using over 3 GB of disk space for just these two apps.
you literally just install the flatpak runtimes once and that's it. it's like 500mb up front. idk why flatpak hater tards cant understand this
this is factually incorrect information, disproven by reality.
Flatpak allows anyone to define their own runtimes. freedesktop.org publishes some Flatpak runtimes for common use, but these aren’t necessarily the ones apps are using. For example Fedora publishes apps with its own runtimes, and these are the ones available by default in its Software store.
If you install GIMP in Fedora 34’s Software store, it defaults to Fedora’s Flatpak of GIMP. This pulls in Fedora 35’s 650 MB runtime, not any freedesktop.org runtime. Nothing will be shared with our freedesktop runtime KCalc we installed from Flathub earlier. On my machine /var/lib/flatpak is using over 3 GB of disk space for just these two apps.
This is apparently working as intended. They want runtimes to be a free-for-all, filling your hard drive with gigabytes of custom junk for every app. I can’t imagine what system updates will be like in the future when you have a few dozen apps storing tens of gigabytes of runtimes that all want to be kept up to date.
alright im convinced youre a bot
i was suspicious of these two posts
but this one confirms it. you are definitely a bot. you reiterate the same information often. your first line is uncapitalized and then everything else is capitalized and punctuated like normal. youre also talking about fedora 34 and 35, which havent been the newest since early 2022... which is also the cutoff date for most ais.
>everything else is capitalized and punctuated like norma
because it's a quote, moronic dumb Black person from the very URL that was posted.
It seems you are the bot.
kys
>because it's a quote, moronic dumb Black person from the very URL that was posted.
lol
he says as he yet again follows the same pattern of uncapitalized to capitalized
damn if you actually arent a bot thats sad, you type like a moronic subhuman if that's the case. ive never seen a human talk so repetitively and in circles. you are really shit at explaining yourself lol. i was genuinely convinced you were gpt or llama or something
>a bot would surely do that
You sound like a bot.
Flatpak recognizes that mixing libraries with the host system is a mess. Instead, they want to bundle their own graphics drivers in the runtimes, keeping them regularly updated for new hardware.
BUNDLE GRAPHICS DRIVER WITH EVERY SINGLE SOFTWARE
LINUX
MENTALLY ILL SOFTWARE DESIGN
You download the graphics runtime once and never again. its like 400 mb. who gives a shit
We already had that.
"They want runtimes to be a free-for-all,"
It's moronic shit and you should have a nice day, stupid bot.
>graphics driver
>400 mb
is this real life?
Flatpaks are fricking gay. There's no good reason you shouldn't be able to just install the software. Dumb argument.
IT’S FRICKING SHIT, but beats being on Windows 11 (AKA Windows 8 Glued together with currycel shit edition)
>wanna play halo infinite (yes really. frick you the custom maps with ai bots are fun)
>crashes at menu
>shit
>change proton version
>crashes at menu
>shit
>try commandline from protondb that’s meant to help
>nope
>delete compatdata. nada
>hmmm wtf do i do? nuke my entire install and go again? frick off
>downgrade nvidia driver to 5.25
>now just works out of the box
ok? frick you too fricking linux.
I'm on AMD and crash during the very first loading screen every single time. I gave up trying to play it.
i doubt this will work as we’re on two different manufacturers drivers, but delete the compat data, downgrade gpu driver, set infinite’s proton to be experimental, reboot if needed and try then. that worked for me
Linux just werks huh?
oh jeez you wont catch me saying that. i like linux but it’s definitely a “nerds OS”. you have to be dedicated to learning how to unfrick some convoluted shit via convoluted CS major shit (wizards will argue it totally makes sense but imo as a newish user of linux there’s still loads of shit i dont understand versus windows)
and i did networking in college lmao
>networking
That's kindergarten in terms of learning about "nerd" OS.
yeah i know. money well spent.
>downgrade gpu driver,
AMD drivers are built into the kernel. There is no downgrading.
You can in fact downgrade mesa driver versions. I don't think it's going to solve the problem however.
shows how much i know. now if you’ll excuse me i’m gonna go frick myself
Imagine ever installing this OS on your computer
>Imagine
Don't need to imagine, it's already in it.
yeah, you have to be mentally ill to do that.
Imagine playing the meta-game "why doesn't this shit work" over and over
Imagine Dragons
Don't need to imagine that either, Dragon's Dogma 2 is coming soon.
imagine being at computers
Windows drank all my beer and pissed on my cat