>Someone colonized Arguin before you
>Now you are decades behind the colonial race unless you want to no CB an Irish minor or conquer parts of West Africa
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>Someone colonized Arguin before you
>colonize the moon first
>launch lunar nukes against the faction that colonized Arguin
>reap the benefits
Why dont more people do this?
Unironically git gud
Then you will love M&T colonization system, you can snatch provinces away from less developed nations without any war
https://meiouandtaxes.miraheze.org/wiki/Colonization
is there a light version for this? seems so bloated
You could try the older version of M&T which is 2.6
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1868146885
Though it depends on what you mean by "bloated", M&T 2.6 has a lot of new features too but not as many as 3.0
Three's always Bermuda or going through Iceland and Greenland. It isn't a bad thing in the first place, countries other than Spain and Portugal should fall behind in the colonization early on.
Imagine having a colony
Imagine going west when you can go east and steer cloves around the cape and break the game
colonizing is legit the worst part of the game
>press button and wait for 10 years doing fricking nothing
>only 5% of colonizable land is actually worth it
>north america & canada are unironically fricking worthless
>basically dont even bother if you can't get mexico or all trade nodes in africa
>also just delete your save if castile & portugal arbitrarily chose to colonize where you colonize
>just play a land power, beat up the colonizers and take their colonies anyway
Worst part is I know it's an integral part of the time period but I just can't think of a way to make it interesting. It genuinely was like that, you send some guys and wait for them to build shit.
Outside of Cortez conquering mexico it was objectively pretty dull.
america & canada are unironically fricking worthless
I always leave Hudson Bay area to the AI and limit my East Coast presence to just provinces with trade bonuses. There is literally no point colonizing anything else in NA, but AI will eagerly spread there anyway, allowing you to siphon via trade whatever meager pay-off there will be of that process.
>Arguin
You're joking, right?
>need to keep army maint up/micro babysitting armies, pay mana to genocide + reduce income or pick the "I give up" colonisation policy
>natives now own everything, colonial nations now won't culture/religious covert anything, leading to constant revolts and no money
>treasure fleets are peanuts
>AI blobs in trade regions that do nothing for them (Canada/Spain)
>Treaty of Tors is just unfun
>expel minorities is just bad
It sucks.
You have to rush to secure every meaningful border as Muscovy to not be locked out of your mission tree. And your reward is to watch a border slowly move towards the Pacific.
i unironically like colonization, playing england and ignoring everything in europe while you colonize is pretty kino
>Colonizing
>When France is basically China by the time the game starts.
The issue with the colonial race isn't that you can fall behind. The issue is that it's not worth most of the invested resources.
Winning wars in Europe is much more rewarding than colonization.
Its way more enjoyable but the thing about colonization is that it lets you spread everywhere. AE doesnt matter if you spread out where you are going. A spain can own half the world pretty quickly
And? It costs money and takes a stupid amount of time. You could actually get more money by fricking up France.
It takes no further management. You can go beat up france while its colonizing. And then when you are waiting on treaties or ae to die down, kill natives.
>Feeds GB colonies by taking sub-par idea groups
>exploration
>subpar
uvgh time for another Teutonic order to Prussia play through before I return to hearts of iron!
Yes, "subpar". You could be taking quality, eco, quantity, or Aristocratic. Instead, you chose a meme idea group so you can feed GB.
if you let GB form you really are a prussia enthusiast.
Or the guy playing him is hugboxing across Western/Central Europe, as colonial powers normally do.
Exploration is extremely shit now that they have removed the second colonist it used to have, please for the love of Christ almighty, pick some early game military idea group, diplomatic for the improve relations modifier, or admin first. If you wanna colonize, expansion as your second idea group is the only non-meme way
I unironically suggest to play EU2/FoG and, far more importantly, Imperialism 2.
They are great for their approach for colonies and the reason why would you even might want to have a colony.
Seriously, give Imperialism 2 a shot, especially when playing with real map of Europe. Clench your teeth if you have due to graphics, but play it at least once from start to finish.
EU2 is virtually unplayable due to its RotW map.
>t. zoomer
>t. moron
>They are great for their approach for colonies and the reason why would you even might want to have a colony.
It's funny how Vic 3 got that way more right.
Basically the only thing America has compared to Europe in Eu4 is treasure fleet stacking.
>Winning wars in Europe is much more rewarding than colonization.
So you've won a couple of war in Europe. Enjoy waiting 20 years for AE to tick down.
Just don't take land then. Take cash.
Or, hear me out
take explo, go frick up Mali, then go frick up Congo, then go frick up Adjuraan or whatever, then come back to frick up Europe, then repeat. Boom, 3x more dev than with your pussy-ass "hurr let's siege 10 forts to take gold, war rep and transfer trade"
>take explo, go frick up Mali, then go frick up Congo, then go frick up Adjuraan or whatever, then come back to frick up Europe, then repeat.
In the time it took to do that, you could've beaten a similar number of states in Europe, taken the land with no penalties (unlike Sunni Somali 1/1/1 cattle desert), and made the other colonial powers your b***hes via landwar.
Also, if your army is overseas, why aren't the others taking that time to frick you up?
>hurr let's siege 10 forts to take gold, war rep and transfer trade
Take the forts in the peace deals and control all strategic points near you.
>Enjoy waiting 20 years for AE to tick down.
>take cash as other anon said
steer trade is one of the most powerful money making tools in the game
>humiliate for big pp & mana
it's deceptively powerful on smaller and medium powers when you can pick shitty rivals with barely half your force limit and sit on 100 pp basically whole game
>release / vassalize countries, cancel subjects
the new espionage ideas with +15 vassalage acceptance allow you to do a lot of funky shit with this
>build claims and don't take land from your war target's allies
you get double the AE from non ticked allies, and like 25% less if you have a claim, even less if you have core / reconquest (which is why releasing nations with a lot of cores is powerful)
>use good idea groups like diplo + humanist + improve relations advisor
AE is literally not even an issue if you know what you're doing and aren't immediately trying to be hitler of 14th century
You do have to pace your expansion but that's the appeal of the game, it would get boring by 1450 if you could just blob 3 times your size as everything.
>strategically ally problematic powers that may swing a real coalition against you
>or ally someone huge like france so even if you frick up with ae no one will join
there is actual strategic depth to AE management.
compared to
>send colony to trade center
>???
>moderate income
>steer trade is one of the most powerful money making tools in the game
Only lasts as long as the truce, and it's a bit iffy.
>it's deceptively powerful on smaller and medium powers when you can pick shitty rivals with barely half your force limit and sit on 100 pp basically whole game
Feels good.
>it would get boring by 1450 if you could just blob 3 times your size
Nta and you technically can, as long as you start OPM or similar size. Still, agreed on every other point
>steer trade is one of the most powerful money making tools in the game
Useless thanks to the overextension penalties since if you get bonus merchants from trade companies in contested trade regions like Ivory coast you will lose them until you core conquered territories.
What are you talking about? He said Steer Trade. Like, the 60% WS peace deal.
France is a joke in current patch.
It's the Ottomans with 300k+ troops in 1550s that are the constant eye sore unless you start near them and curb their expansion.
Even Spain is weak since they can't manage their troops between colonies and mainland.
Sometimes Commonwealth gets big until they start making wars with Ottos.
>France is a joke in current patch.
Dude, you can easily get 1k+ dev by ~1500. Frick off.
>It's the Ottomans with 300k+ troops in 1550s that are the constant eye sore unless you start near them and curb their expansion.
And?
>Even Spain is weak since they can't manage their troops between colonies and mainland.
That depends on the player.
>Sometimes Commonwealth gets big until they start making wars with Ottos.
Commonwealth players always become big.
I'm talking about AI nations not the player.
Any player nations will outperform other AI nations since you can exploit the dumb AI.
Ottos are the worst since even if you beat them and take provinces from them in mid/late game they will gobble up provinces in the other direction thanks to the stupid revanchism mechanic.
Not to mention the AI will avoid your armies if they are stronger and will move ingame months worth of time to outflank you and siege provinces on the other side of your empire.
>I'm talking about AI nations not the player.
Why are you telling me about the AI's inability to protect its colonies?
>Ottos are the worst since even if you beat them and take provinces from them in mid/late game they will gobble up provinces in the other direction thanks to the stupid revanchism mechanic.
Try paying the Mams player then.
>Not to mention the AI will avoid your armies if they are stronger and will move ingame months worth of time to outflank you and siege provinces on the other side of your empire.
Maybe don't play with AI Ottos then.
I don't have friends to play EU4 with.
If I had friends I wouldn't waste my time with EU4.
>I don't have friends to play EU4 with.
Play a pickup game. There's an open MP lobby and countless discords.
>be Russia
>Have maximum comfy colonisation
>The shitshow thats siberia colonization
>Comfy
Yeah, everyone just loves doing frick-all to get n-th worthless province to their country, so much fun!
Russian colonization is everything wrong with the whole aspect of the game in a condensed package.
Witht he splendor ability, those 3dev provinces become 6dev. That's around 300 dev more overall. It's more valuable than normal colonies since you own them directly.
Anon splendor abilities don't carry over beyond the first age, you need tech 10 to form russia, even if you minmax fricking everything and get incredibly lucky that'll not be more than like 5-6 provinces with marginally less shit development, which will not even be worth it with all the mana / manpower / money you'll have to spend to rush it all to make siberia 0.0001% less shitty.
It would be cool if the abilities carried over, though. At least for a single age beyond the one you picked.
Ask me how I know you play with the console open and CE running in the background
why wouldn't you want to conquer massive chunks of west africa? they have gold there noob. Free real-estate
New world colonies are more about manpower, global trade power, force limit, and wienerblocking your rivals who will do something moronic like convert the entire new world to calvinism. They provide decent naval support, and you can fight simultaenous wars in the new world and africa/asia/europe really be no worse off for it. They made colonies a lot better when they gave them designations. Nobody cares what you do in the new world so you dont' even have to worry about AE. They won't be profitable till the the mid 16th century (especially since you should heavily subsidize them to make them grow faster), but doing a naval/colonial run means you will be up to your ears in cash from african gold, indian trade goods, anyway.
Colonizing?
Ummmm that's a micro-aggression sweaty
rent free
go back polhomosexual
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welcome home moron
>make one colony near Portugal colony
>wait till they colonize whole region
>take in all in one colonial CB war
Woah so hard.
Colonization is a joke if you can beat the parent nation.
>single player is about cheesing the AI
>multiplayer is tedious and boring as frick
Remind me why roleplaying is frowned upon in this game
>multiplayer is tedious and boring as frick
I see you've never played MP.
I know better than that. Let me guess, I should also do a world conquest at least once
No. I've never done WC. It's just tedious shit. MP is mostly slamming AI and player heads together until someone does something especially stupid and gives the lobby something to laugh at.
play beyond typus, or if you have a supercomputer atlas novum
lmao, this is a fricking non-issue. Beafada is like 30 colonial range farther away and definitely reachable with dip tech 7. If you pick exploration as your first idea group (except when going for hardcore colonial Portugal) you're a moron anyways, so in any case you'll be able to establish yourself in West Africa by around 1480, wheter you have Arguim or not
In theory trading money for dev is an excellent deal but having to invest into 1 or two idea groups that aren't that good in the late game is lame. Also genuine question how the FRICK has Paradogs not fixed the NA natives yet? No fricking way they're working as intended, not when they're universally reviled.
In what way are they broken? I don't normally play colonial games.
Is there a way to identify ruler personalities through either a map or macro builder? Looking for the Indulgent trait.
>no CB
you can declare on denmark for iceland, morocco for Haha or some other dogshit, spain or portugal for their islands no matter where you are in Europe with a CB
Most fun small nation?
I really like starting as Landshut and forming Bavaria.
It is feels like a huge powerspike going from a middling HRE nation to one that is more powerful than Brandenburg and on the heels of Bohemia.
ryukyu
Netherlands minors.
Muscovite minors.
Japan vassals.
Switzerland.
Trade republics like Venice, Genoa and with recent patch Lubeck.
Oh also Riga and Gotland if you buy/pirate the latest DLC.
Livonian and Teutonic orders are also beasts but some people or israelites as I like to call them don't consider them minors.
because they're not, teutonic order is basically a major power
Teutonic Order was pretty minor before latest patch, they buffed them so much in the last dlc that at this point they're probably the actual strongest german nation.
I'm palying a teutonic crusader campaign right now and I genuinely feel like they are stronger than prussia.
>tfw they gutted prussian monarchy to a point it's not even worth it
Livonia though can be a real fricker since all 3 of muscovy, commonwealth and denmark hate you, so you have no one to ally to fight them if you're unlucky.
>I'm palying a teutonic crusader campaign right now and I genuinely feel like they are stronger than prussia.
they are, you can also get like 120% cavalery combat ability with hussars and literally just fricking wipe everything.
Once you resolve the internal conflict and beat Pooland yes, they are strong.
But no Great power needs to handle a disaster and a potential Pooland and Lithuania PU at the begning.
>Once you resolve the internal conflict and beat Pooland yes, they are strong.
so in 1445?
Can't have 40% crownlands in 1445
You also get an early entry into the HRE and a lot of potential alliances (in my campaign I snagged hungary / muscovy / bohemia and beat pol-lit early with tech 4 advantage, + the free livonian vassal), also they toned the disaster down a lot, you used to need to time 4 revocations of land immediately as they become available which made early aggression annoying since you can't do it in war, and if you miss one you're fricked.
Now you just need to revoke land twice and they also removed burger influence from it, so it's not even a real problem any more unless you're moronic and hand out land privileges at the start.
They also massively buffed theocracies since some patches ago, making them arguably the best government form (the one where you can get royal marriages is just a straight better monarchy).
>You also get an early entry into the HRE
Only if you go secular path which is objectively worse.
>free livonian vassal
High RNG here
>also they toned the disaster down a lot
Ah didn't know that.
With nerfed the disaster it's easy start I guess.
>Only if you go secular path which is objectively worse
no
>High RNG here
no
>Dithmarschen for full angry peasant mode
You have to get lucky / restart during the great peasants war HRE incident so the emperor decides in favour of the peasantry, then you'll have free imperialism CB in the 1500s.
>Holland
Some luck involved with austria not inheriting what you need to form netherlands, otherwise you're very wealthy and powerful despite being a small vassal
>Monferrat
small italian OPM that can restore byzantium due to being the last remaining heirs to that bloodline, nothing special in terms of gameplay but it's a cool bit of rp flavour
>Rugen / Gotland
Challenging start as an OPM but you can be an HRE pirate, that's pretty fun.
>Cologne
Just a cozy elector with some p good national ideas, notably early reduced AE is huge value in the HRE
>Provence
You can literally do anything, your share dynasty with france, your mission tree allows you to PU half the world, or form jerusalem, or join the HRE, you are also in a good spot to colonize or steal genoa trade node
>Burgundy
Hardly a small nation but it can be challenging navigating safely between hre and france before you can destroy both.
>Holland
>Some luck involved with austria not inheriting what you need to form netherlands, otherwise you're very wealthy and powerful despite being a small vassal
What?
At the start date you can get great powers to support your independence and dismantle
Burgundy.
Once you're independent you're part of HRE and are free to conquer rest of Netherlands cores.
Only trap is not to start as Holland but Brabant since they have missions for free claims on Netherlands while Hollands have generic missions and some shitty trade missions.
>Once you're independent you're part of HRE and are free to conquer rest of Netherlands cores.
Legit happened to me twice:
>fight burgundy, win independence, no biggie
>duke of burgundy dies early
>game 1: austria immediately inherits everything
>ragequit
>game 2: castile gets PU and inherits it a short time later
>ragequit
skill issue
You know that when you sue for piece for independence you also make Burgs cancel their PUs and vassalage too right?
Gelre's best.