>SOUL doesn't exis-

Why are you moving goalposts from “not the same model” to “not brand new”?

>i didn't.

[...]
they are still the same exact model but shown at different resolutions, zoomer boot lickers

>they are still the same exact model
>they are still the same exact model
>they are still the same exact model

you realized this is objectively, blatantly wrong so now you’ve switched to “i-it’s not brand new tho!” which is a meaningless and stupid point given that a massive chunk of gen 3, 4, and 5 sprites aren’t “”brand new”” either.

>model=the 3d mesh
No, the model is the ENTIRE 3d representation including the surface and the textures. Who the frick told you 3D models are just meshes?

People were pouring over the data, SwSh were in fact still using XY meshes. For whatever reason there were display bugs but they *have*, in fact, used the same meshes for three mainline generations.

...And since I forgot it in the previous post, the reason for the mapping example is that I've seen a lot of b***hing about SV just being normal mapping.

Case in point:

[...]
A different engine can make new models on the fly based on differences in ancillary data to the same underlying mesh. Unless you think B and D's obvious geometric differences are not worth calling "different models".

Importantly, displacement mapping is just a special process applied to a second set of texture data. This is why I specifically call what has stayed the same a *mesh*, because it is not the only relevant data in the final model.

>SwSh were in fact still using XY meshes

>they are still the same exact model
no they aren't

No it isn't

>doesn't know what "model" means
every time

>change lighting
>it's two totally different objects

Your brain on Yawngay.

The sprites are totally different. I can say that no problem. You need a different standard for your games in order to make them seem good. It’s truly pathetic.

Now post the frontsprites

I thought I said to listen to the entire thing, boy. Come back in 10 hours.

>animated vs not animated

NEXT

Oh, was Gen 6 not animated?

NEXT.

K?

NEXT.

these 10 sprites have more work put into them than they put into gens 6, 7, and 8 combined

how do you know that they were even made by humans and not an algorithm?

Next argument, boy.

I never said anything about work. Spray painting a dick all along the Great Wall is more work than painting a work of art.

Next argument, now.

Yes, that’s something someone else said, what’s your point?

I’m beginning to think you’re out of arguments if you’re this scared to move on to another.

Dare I say, mindbroken? You’re already talking gibberish and I haven’t even begun to bully you.

Next argument, now. And don’t run away to Ganker again, mmkay?

Where, exactly? Are you still claiming that

these 10 sprites have more work put into them than they put into gens 6, 7, and 8 combined

is me?

Answer without running away this time, please.

>You realized that you used the wrong word while responding to me all high and mighty

Are you realizing your mistake now, sweetie?

Next argument, now.

Look sweetie, I think you're getting a little confused. It's time to move on to another argument. If you reply with another avoidance I'll assume you're out of arguments.

Okay, then you've been dealt with.

Indeed.

No, 3d quality is actually a function primarily of sheer time versus sprites being nearly solely a function of artist skill.

Given a full work day, a masterful artist can shit out half of gen 1 from memory, probably in better detail than the original games. Given the same work-hours, you'll get like half a dozen modeled to XY standards *tops*.

Moving to 3d opens up actual game design options, as a 3d world can *cleanly* handle trajectories, arbitrary facings, very detailed world layouts,

Sure, stacking up floor after floor or the wonders of The Jump Button aren't *made a point of*, but PLA's catching is very much *demanding* that 3d engine, and there's quite the long list of "Exploded Spectacularly On Impact" failures in moving to 3d.

Yes, that’s something someone else said, what’s your point?

I’m beginning to think you’re out of arguments if you’re this scared to move on to another.

>continues reply chain of single (you)s per post
>doesn't namegay or tripgay
>complains about assuming they're defending a post in the middle
>proceeds to be annoyed about having the post in the middle shown to them

Have you tried recognizing you're on Ganker? That people reply to other people without hard indication of the other person?

Dare I say, mindbroken? You’re already talking gibberish and I haven’t even begun to bully you.

Next argument, now. And don’t run away to Ganker again, mmkay?

Again, you're complaining that somebody is calling you out for jumping into a conversation then assuming you were the other side making the point. Collect your (you)s now to demonstrate the exact point you caused an accidental switchover.

Once more, Ganker anonymizes, it is not a trivial skill to identify posters. Espeically if they aren't wordy clusterfricks like me...

Actually the guy making the Rusedays out of pure autism. Don't do much bumping of them, oddly enough. Will readily admit to being nogame in both /vp/ and /tg/ capacities, occasionally poke my head into Ganker and /mlp/.

I'm perfectly capable of overrunning the character limit five times over, by the way.

...damnit, forgot to include a pic with the usual name!

Have last week's Ruseday OP pic, just as a basic "proof of personhood".

Who?

Actually, whether the texture counts for the model is fuzzy depending on what the use-case in question is. The reason the mesh isn't the end of story for models is because of displacement mapping.

So *assuming* you're right about that being SwSh, you're calling it a different model because of a *dummied out* mouth-pocket. The entirety of the exterior of the mesh is aligned one-to-one, making it very clear it's a single specific feature added.

In other words, reinforcing my point from the last thread about this that the only need for model improvements is discrete details like eyes, mouth, or smoke effects, rather than the broad body geometry.

true, but for that time, very few games had hundreds of monsters in a single game

they are better than 3D's idle animations

>they are better than 3D's idle animations
They objectively aren't.

Who mentioned Alola?