Millennials don't care about this shit, though. They'll play old games in the wrong aspect radio and wrong display type simply because they weren't even born when 4:3 was a thing.
Millenials are genuinely the least consoomer generation since the lost generation. We've put many major brands in the grave or on life support because we refuse to buy stuff.
Millennials don't care about this shit, though. They'll play old games in the wrong aspect radio and wrong display type simply because they weren't even born when 4:3 was a thing.
Millenials are genuinely the least consoomer generation since the lost generation. We've put many major brands in the grave or on life support because we refuse to buy stuff.
This. My workplace gave me a $550 4k monitor that isn't even curved, meanwhile the one I have that is and measures 4 inches larger was only about $375.
I'm the OP of that and optiplexes are easily their best product and fun for a tinker toy. So dont stress it. I mainly meant their full size tower PCs suck ass.
They are literally the best in the business space. HP sucks a fat chode
They are also one of the worst big name tech brands. I dont think I ever owned a decent dell computer growing up.
Frick yall my dell Ultrasharp 30 inch 1440p monitor is over 10 years old and its 16:10 The most based aspect ratio AND its just as bright as the day i bought it for 1200 USD
Ditch the fake woodgrain and the mannequin head, hide your cables better and you MIGHT have a decent station. Right now though its ugly and trashy as piss. You get that desk and drawers from goodwill or your grandma lmao
Nice.
Go get a 43 inch 4k tv for 200 bucks and compare 10 years of advancement.
Have one in my living room.
too much sad and gay in this image for me to even process
>3rd world
Yeah third world with my 20tb HDD server and 10tb in SSDs
2 years ago
Anonymous
That wouldn't make them cucked though wouldn't it?
It would just mean they cucked the most generations
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think some of the things in that room are to old to be there, like the chair. Otherwise love the light blue panel wall.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i paid to much for this chair 10 years ago it still is comfy and works great i dont care that much about a chair function over form + some based aesthetics
Gonna paint that wall white actually lol/
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Gonna paint that wall white actually lol/
Still great, I just like the panels, I think they're called panels. Your walls almost remind me of those old 80's houses pic related
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its called woodgrain and yeah someone just painted over it lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>someone just painted over it lmao
Not your first place?
Yeah, until crts fell out of style, practically all of them came out of a sony-owned factory in Pennsylvania.
The reason it was there was because it was right next to the partner glass factory (glass is moronicly heavy & expensive to ship).
I know we're talking about monitors here, but my my Dell keyboard was built around 1990 and I'm still using it. It might even be still usable with adapters when I'm dead. Damn thing's invincible.
>go to like 10 dealerships looking for anything that drives >muh chip shortage, i HAVE to charge 200%! >go to craigslist >find a car on the first fricking page at a reasonable price
This is the scariest part. I picked up three different Carts that all had some problem, I tried to get a big cabinet one with s video I had fixed but the repair guy near me couldn't find the parts/documentation. By the time I picked up a fourth one for free at my job and saw it had those horizontal lines near the top of the screen I just bit the bullet and got a $100 repair from the same guy. Unless we're talking 2000s consumer sets this is no longer a cheap hobby.
youre a bit late for the time when people put those out on the curb because they switched to LCD. especially if you want a PVM. doesnt mean there are none, i just recently picked up two off the curb but its getting increasingly rare and there is no reversal for this trend because CRTs simply dont get produced anymore and the only people that still care for them will not put them out on the curb in a year when theyre done with them.
Unless somebody makes more of the appropriate vaacum tubes to pump out CRTs and appeal to aged millenials the existing supply is going to get more and more expensive.
The oldest Millenials are 40 though, and that's peak midlife crisis spending time. A few disparate factories still exist in China for Vacuum tubes to make parts for servicing specialized equipment, it's unlikely but possible they might make a comeback if somebody can ramp up production and convince people a 15 inch CRT is worth $750 new.
>Unless somebody makes more of the appropriate vaacum tubes to pump out CRTs
What kind of capital would it require to make a new CRT factory?
I've been wondering this same question with 5.25" floppies a lot lately too
>What kind of capital would it require to make a new CRT factory?
Even if you could make them the logistics of shipping them is absurd and you'd have minimum $150+ shipping within country, probably hundreds if you're shipping overseas.
There's a reason CRTs died off, and it has nothing to do with the consumer.
There is genuinely a lack of demand, not like having any desk space at all, being adjustable and not having abyssmal brightness is a consideration for anyone? Thrift shops still refuse to take them since they couldn't ever sell them to anyone.
>There's a reason CRTs died off, and it has nothing to do with the consumer.
It has almost everything to do with the consumer. We were fricking glad as shit to get rid of CRTV's because they sucked dick.
>It has almost everything to do with the consumer.
Companies have to pay to ship materials and finished products around. Even a plastic shell for a CRT is going to cost SIGNIFICANTLY more money simply because it takes up more volume in shipping.
There's not some moronic israeli conspiracy here, it's just logistics and economics. CRTs take up too much space, weigh too much, require you to deal with all the regulations surrounding lead, and cost more money to produce every step of the way compared to any modern display technology.
Just because consumers thought flat screens were amazing and "the future" doesn't have anything to do with it, CRTs were going to die as soon as a lighter, smaller technology came around.
You can't flood a market with shit nobody wants. That's why you don't see 3D tv's anymore. If they flooded the market with flatscreens and everybody liked their old CRTV's then flatscreens would have never taken off. People switched because CRTV's are fricking horrible and nobody liked them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think it had to do more with the resolution than the display technology. 720p LCDs and Plasmas became affordable pretty quick, and that was the point where CRT became old news, because almost all the ones you'd see would be lower res. If HD CRTs were so impractical I don't think there would have been such a quick transition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You say that but plasmas died for the same reason CRTs did, they are both too much hassle to keep in proper condition.
I dont want to have to call out a technician to service my monitor like its a refrigerator. That shit is just ridiculous. The worst thing that will happen to your LCD (if you dont drop it) is dead pixels, which is minor compared to issues CRTs and plasmas could face.
Once OLEDs are more affordable they will have all the upsides of a CRT (except the scanlines) without any of the downsides.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Once OLEDs are more affordable they will have all the upsides of a CRT (except the scanlines) without any of the downsides.
Besides terrible screen degradation, burn-in that sets after a couple of years of continual usage and flickering at low light.
OLED is just as terrible as plasma. It only sells because Samsung's marketing managed to convince people that OLED is good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OLEDs are genuinely the best looking picture you can have at the moment, but unfortunately they're not suited to stationary images
2 years ago
Anonymous
And plasma was the best HD picture you could get back in the day, way over LCDs even, but the burn in issues made them fail.
OLED is just as bad except even when there's no burn in the displays visibly degrade. Also they flicker at low light. >b-b-but I have a phone from 2017 and the screen is fine!!!!!1!!1!1 >b-b-but I dont notice flickering!!!!!!!!1!!1!1!1
If the costumer is too stupid to notice or care about pic related, they're not gonna notice the difference between an IPS or an OLED display in normal usage.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Forgot pic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
phone OLED is not the same as 4K OLED TV's
you're not going to get the same quality at that size screen
2 years ago
Anonymous
OLEDs degrade continually, it's how they inherently work. The pic I sent is from a first gen OLED screen that degrades quicker than modern screens, but even modern displays degrade noticeably after 1000 hours.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have a panasonic from 2018 and constant use
the degradation is not as noticeable as you say
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't tend to notice things when they happen gradually, but they're night and day when they're shown side by side.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have done colour tests on it, whites are still white not grey
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Between the late 2000s and early 2010s most LCDs were objectively worse in every measure compared to a CRT
Except weight and thickness, which anon specifically mentioned. They also did not burn in with static images and consumed way less power, which made them ideal for office use. What do you think big corpos chose when they had to buy thousands of monitors for a big office? 20kg worth of fragile glass shit that heated up the rooms or thin, efficient plastic displays?
I swear some of you guys have the reading comprehension of a chimp.
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I've had my LG C9 since 2019. 4+ hours of use every day. No burn-in, no degradation, just measured it again with my colorimeter. Stop spreading bullshit from 2015 to cope with your poorhomosexualry.
They're never gonna be gray. They tend to shift towards yellos since blue LEDs degrade first. Brightness also goes down by a lot. >but I don't notice it!
Then you wouldn't notice the supposed "lack of contrast" of an IPS display either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what part is, white is still white do you not understand
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what is color temperature
White is always going to be white until the screen completely degrades to shit. Your screen has degraded though, it must have less overall brightness and a more yellowish color temperature overall than when the panel was new.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>White is always going to be white >a more yellowish
good job moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he still doesn't know what color temperature is
So... this is the people babbling about "muh true blacks" and "muh contrast" huh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
do you understand what a colour test is
stop talking about shit you don't understand
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but I don't notice it! >Then you wouldn't notice the supposed "lack of contrast" of an IPS display either.
Are you moronic? I never said I don't notice it. I said I tested it with a fricking colorimeter, an i1 display pro. If that thing can't detect the deviation after two years, neither will your eyes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
add scaling to your list too. non-integer scaling on modern screens looks like ass
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is every HD TV though, that's one of the benefits of CRT's, there's no native resolution
2 years ago
Anonymous
You mean LG's marketing?
Because Samsung was Anti-OLED TVs for a long time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can't flood a market with shit nobody wants.
Explain LCDs for the first 10 years of their existence then. Between the late 2000s and early 2010s most LCDs were objectively worse in every measure compared to a CRT, yet the latest computer CRTs you're ever likely to see come from 2002 maybe 2003.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Between the late 2000s and early 2010s most LCDs were objectively worse in every measure compared to a CRT
Except weight and thickness, which anon specifically mentioned. They also did not burn in with static images and consumed way less power, which made them ideal for office use. What do you think big corpos chose when they had to buy thousands of monitors for a big office? 20kg worth of fragile glass shit that heated up the rooms or thin, efficient plastic displays?
I swear some of you guys have the reading comprehension of a chimp.
OLEDs degrade continually, it's how they inherently work. The pic I sent is from a first gen OLED screen that degrades quicker than modern screens, but even modern displays degrade noticeably after 1000 hours.
I've had my LG C9 since 2019. 4+ hours of use every day. No burn-in, no degradation, just measured it again with my colorimeter. Stop spreading bullshit from 2015 to cope with your poorhomosexualry.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what is advertising a product? manufacturers are constantly shilling their new product as being the better one that you should get instead of sticking with your old inferior product. early LCDs were absolute dogshit but them being smaller, lighter and offering higher resolutions is what sweetened the deal.
Nah that is never going to happen. If you're selling a fricking 30 y o monitor at that price it's for sure only gonna be a handful of stupidly rich people or speculating idiots buying it and it's not gonna be tried out by the general public and there won't be any genuine demand even if it were actually good.
>Unless somebody makes more of the appropriate vaacum tubes to pump out CRTs
What kind of capital would it require to make a new CRT factory?
I've been wondering this same question with 5.25" floppies a lot lately too
>What kind of capital would it require to make a new CRT factory?
Even if you could make them the logistics of shipping them is absurd and you'd have minimum $150+ shipping within country, probably hundreds if you're shipping overseas.
There's a reason CRTs died off, and it has nothing to do with the consumer.
Making CRT's out of lead and bromine is illegal in america. >2007 >criminalize production of CRT's >destroy all of the manufacturing equipment >turn the broadcasting stations to digital
What a coincidence
No you moron, it's because you can ship MULTIPLE times as many flat screens FOR LESS MONEY. Where you used to be able to fit a hundred or two hundred PC CRTs on a container ship, you can now fit like a thousand LCD monitors instead.
CRTs were always going to die as soon as something else came along.
Nope, they stuck around in offices because they had better refresh rates and higher resolution, hich helps against eye strain. Only in the 2010 were they better. If the average person didn't have to get a new TV or adaptor, they wouldn't have bought a flat screen.
They stuck around in offices because offices rarely ever upgrade monitors. My company is still using shit from the late 2000s for monitors, even though the laptops get upgraded every 4 years. >better refresh rates
Black person if you're talking about eyestrain then LCDs have no "refresh rate" issues, they are constantly lit unlike a CRT which flickers at 60hz. And most normies never knew to go above 60hz.
The average person had an HDTV by 2010, what the frick are you talking about zoomer? Only poor people held onto their CRTs longer. You still see super poor people put them out to the curb even today.
No you moron, it's because you can ship MULTIPLE times as many flat screens FOR LESS MONEY. Where you used to be able to fit a hundred or two hundred PC CRTs on a container ship, you can now fit like a thousand LCD monitors instead.
CRTs were always going to die as soon as something else came along.
>hich helps against eye strain
lolwut. Even shitty LCDs of that era (good ol' 5:4 aspect ratio displays toting 1280x1024) were easier on the eyes vs. CRTs running at 85hz to mitigate the hz flicker.
That just explains why the companies used their political influence to force consumers to adopt LCD. Companies can try and cut costs by shipping chinkshit as much as they want, I still wont buy it. They make it illegal for anyone to produce the stuff I want and collectively choose to stop selling the product I would prefer and instead only ship the new cheaper, easier to bulk ship good? Well I guess I haven't got much of a choice now, have I?
Sony still paying you to shill LCD on Ganker? I'm surprised your contract is still valid.
I don't even own a CRT, haven't since I moved out of my mum's place and left the PS1 behind, I've got nothing to prove.
with that recent SCOTUS decision severely limiting the EPA's ability to arbitrarily ban things, I wonder how much longer this homosexualry will last. Would be nice to someday see the words "Made in USA" on products again.
>convince people a 15 inch CRT is worth $750 new.
People are already paying that for CRT's half the size (Sony PVM monitors). And they're busted second hand ones that have thousands of hours of use already.
in your dreams. there is not a single production line left that could make a CRT. just because there are some facilities that still make vacuum tubes doesnt mean they are anywhere near capable of making CRT tubes. its just not the same thing. the entire production apparatus behind those CRTs are gone and by the time you could even just replicate a decent quality CRT, not even make any improvements, just make it as cheap as you can, with how low the demand actually is youre looking at a super small production run with each unit costing as much as a new car. $750 would be basically for free. just think about how many people realistically could care about a newly produced CRT and tell me with a straight face its above 10k. it isnt. the demand is low, its only niche retro gaming circles that still care about it. hell, the highest demand for crts at the moment is most likely just scalpers thinking they can flip them for hundreds. its NEVER going to happen. CRTs are dead for good and theres nothing you can do about it. get one now while you still can. if you see one on the curb just take it, even if its not your ideal unit. if you spot a good deal on ebay, just get it, though its unlikely youll still find good deals. hell, try contacting companies that could still have them. an advertisement production studio in germany sold off a couple of TVs just last year. but dont hold out hope that someday theyll make a comeback.
but realistically, how hard would it be to make a modern CRT
idgaf about the impracticality of it
considering all the technology jumps I feel this market is completely untapped, "niche shit" isn't so niche when there's a huge market of boomer->millennial gamers that would fork over 100-200$ for modernized retro tech
People have already stated before a new manufacturered unit will be around the 1,000$ price tag. Probably ranging from 850~1,200. Are you willing to shell that out for old tech that is cumbersome to house and move?
where is this 1000$ evaluation coming from
is there some kind of article
I'm honestly curious
forgive my moronation if I was rich yeah I'd thrown down 1k for a modern CRT
but realistically, how hard would it be to make a modern CRT
idgaf about the impracticality of it
considering all the technology jumps I feel this market is completely untapped, "niche shit" isn't so niche when there's a huge market of boomer->millennial gamers that would fork over 100-200$ for modernized retro tech
$1k is a gross underestimation. were not just talking about making a low volume production run with tons of custom parts. were talking literally erecting production facilities that dont exist anymore from scratch. sure, shit like PCBs and and the housing can be made in existing factories but the tubes cant and at the end of it it all has to be assembled and shipped. like i said before, with how low volume of a production that would realistically be youre looking at the price of a new car per unit. think like 10k minimum
there is only one man alive who can still manufacture CRTs, and he can only do so because he squirreled away new old stock components from the company he used to run.
he has an engineer in his rolodex who can still design the photon guns, but the process for manufacturing perfect glass for TVs has been completely lost.
realistally speaking you would be starting completely from scratch and would have to blow millions if not billions to set up all new manufacturing tools and training all new staff.
you might as well just license SED/FED from Sony and spin that up instead.
ok, lets assume theres far more than 10k interested in CRTs. thats still not the true number of people that would be in the market to buy a new production CRT for upwards of thousands of dollars when they could just hope to grab an old used model if they dont already have one. people interested in CRTs =/= people in the market to buy a potential new one for way more than the current used units go for
you might actually be moronic. The demand for crts is literally collectors that like them because theyre old and unique now/~~*scalpers*~~/retro gamers/people who do art stuff with them. IF a new line of crts came up i can gaurantee that the majority of people would just ask. "why would i pay 2k for something i can get for 0-20$ on almost any given day?"
IF a new line of crts came up it would probably be at a time where they are not so easy to get ahold of as they are today and IF they came up they would probably be more advanced than your average garage sale CRT making that argument invalid.
That literally won’t happen though and you’re stupid to think it ever will
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah it will. the price of them are already going up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>new CRTs
Always makes me laugh when idiots say this
2 years ago
Anonymous
the price is going up because scalpers took notice of it. the fad will die out soon enough and anyone that cares about getting a CRT will either get one or give up.
IF a new line of crts came up it would probably be at a time where they are not so easy to get ahold of as they are today and IF they came up they would probably be more advanced than your average garage sale CRT making that argument invalid.
>IF a new line of crts came up it would probably be at a time where they are not so easy to get ahold of as they are today
not how it works, you sound like an underage conjuring up some bullshit to keep coping youll one day own a crt as well >IF they came up they would probably be more advanced than your average garage sale CRT
how? no one has been making CRTs for well over a decade, where does this sudden advancement in technology come from? engineering an even more advanced CRT would also drive up the production cost even more than just copying the latest consumer models and not changing a thing other than maybe the PCB that could be made way cheaper and smaller than back then.
We could have had the fricking holy grail of display technologies, but for whatever fricking reason the chinks cucked us.
https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/sed-tv.htm
SED was shit. It had all the flaws of CRT with most of the flaws of LCD. >Still burns in >Still becomes unusable in any kind of sunlight >Still has terrible contrast ratio in a lit room >Has all the input lag issues of any other HDTV (including HDTV CRTs) >Fixed resolution, can't do 240p which would make games look just as bad as any other HDTV >Minimum 1 frame input lag because unlike a CRT you have to send an entire frame to memory before it will display on the TV (sample and hold) >Would have taken up even MORE energy than a CRT
SED had no advantages over plasma with lots more issues. They were never going to be viable.
>Source on those issues?
They're literally the same issues CRTs/LCDs have just combined into one shitty package. >Uses vacuum tublets coated in phosphors on one end
That gives you low contrast, unusable in bright light, high energy usage, and burn in. >Has a fixed grid of red green and blue subpixels
That gives you the minimum 1 frame lag, inability to do standard definition resolutions, inability to do interlacing, and scaling issues that all HDTVs have with anything other than native res content.
That's literally all you need to learn about. Learn how CRTs work as a vacuum tube device, and for LCDs just look up "sample & hold" and "fixed resolution displays".
That's dumb. If a game is good it can be good even if it looks a bit scuffed by modern displays. If a game's only appeal is how it looks on a crt then it's probably not worth playing
>The oldest Millenials are 40 though
30 year old boomer
my 40yo cousin didn't have internet in elementary school
don't lump gen y with millenials >midlife crisis spending time
you mean finally having the income and stability to do what they wanted to do all along?
>searching "crt" when looking for a crt television
anyone who puts crt in their listing already knows what they have. if you want to actually get a good deal, just search shit like "old tv" or "tube tv" so you get the boomers that have no idea what they have
thats why they will give it to you for free or extremely cheap you fricking moron. boomers arent going to overcharge for a crt, but some soi ridden millennial absolutely will
I bought a Wii U from some boomer on ebay who listed it as "near mint/ tested and working" and the fricking disc drive and HDMI port were broken and it looked like absolute shit. Meanwhile I buy handhelds from Japanese sellers and they look mint and are CIB for half the price. I hate boomers so much it is unreal.
I'm not altogether convinced the left image is accurate or correct, the dull greenish/bluish greys on the face appear to be completely absent from the CRT capture or shader, whichever the right image is.
Unless, the point is that the color bleed for the high saturation skin tones totally overpowers the desaturated parts.
yeah because i sit 5cm away from my lcd screen peeping at pixels.
if you apply blurring filter and sit 2 meters away from screen the effect will be the same.
its not regular blur since its not equal in all directions. You can emulate it of course but it means you have to do the effort and cant just use wrong resolution for artificial blur.
If you didn't grow up with CRTs, you wouldn't notice that they aren't "perfect" in whatever arbitrary way is defined by the very specific design of the TV or computer monitor you had growing up. They are good enough when it comes to the oft-discussed dithering and color bleed effects that are otherwise lost, but anything beyond that is just personal preference anyway. The only hard rule is that these types of filters objectively benefit from higher screen resolutions - people who typically complain about the filters not being accurate are using them at 1080p, which is definitely low enough to be noticeably bad on a 27 inch LCD.
They're better than not using them (if you know how to set them up).
However they're nowhere near as good as the real thing because they cannot fix certain faults with modern tech like input lag, motion blur, shitty contrast and colour etc.
Also to accurately simulate a crt mask and phosphors you need like 8K resolution.
>Faults
Input Lag: modern LCD are sub 9ms.
Motion Blur: OLED is fine, Retroarch has run-ahead
Shitty Contrast: your used phosphor coated CRT is wearing out every day you use it
Colo(u)r: moronic leaf
Very good despite what copium used 100k hour CRT hoarders think.
CRT Royale shaders on Retroarch or with ShaderGlass (on github) to use shaders on any standalone emulator or PC game is pretty much perfect on a 4K OLED.
Needs to be OLED though to pull the effect off.
Royale even has different input modes like composite, RF, S-Video.
Royale also has a interlacing option to simulate interlacing game effects. The usual one anons like to point out is Sonic's waterfall. Just WERKS with Royale, sorry CRThomosexuals.
Pic Related.
>Royale also has a interlacing option to simulate interlacing game effects. The usual one anons like to point out is Sonic's waterfall.
That has nothing to do with interlacing. Genesis games are progressive scan.
Very good despite what copium used 100k hour CRT hoarders think.
CRT Royale shaders on Retroarch or with ShaderGlass (on github) to use shaders on any standalone emulator or PC game is pretty much perfect on a 4K OLED.
Needs to be OLED though to pull the effect off.
Royale even has different input modes like composite, RF, S-Video.
Royale also has a interlacing option to simulate interlacing game effects. The usual one anons like to point out is Sonic's waterfall. Just WERKS with Royale, sorry CRThomosexuals.
Pic Related.
It's called composite signal effects, not interlacing. It's soulful for the games designed for it.
crts are much more difficult to manufacture. the economies of scale required for it to be profitable is far too high compared to the amount of people who would buy one today.
First have to figure out how an HDMI translates for the static gun in a CRT. I bet there were attempts but the results were abysmal at best otherwise they would still be around like VCR hybrids with DVD/Bluray players.
Ok then genius, tell me how an old digital to analog laggy display is better than using a modern display
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did I say it was better you illiterate motherfricker?
I said they're fine for the right content, like 480p shit, and if you really want to, Xbox 360 and ps3
HD crts arent worthless, and you're missing out if you just dismiss them as worthless.
I have a DVI-VGA adapter on my PC because I didn't bother getting long enough DVI cable. I guess HL1 and TFC are now considered retro so I "retro game" with VGA.
The solution to this is to stop looking on Craigslist or eBay. Go to some out of the way thrift store or the side of the road on a bulk collection day. You're bound to find one for free. Alternatively, just ask around if anyone has an old TV they could do without. There's plenty of people who didn't bother moving their CRTs because they were way too heavy, so they've just stayed in their homes indefinitely.
This. Thrift stores are the place to go if you're looking for old electronics of any kind. Just read up on what you're buying and make sure it works beforehand.
That could happen (if any thrift shop actually accepted CRTs) but naturally demand is supposed to go down as it's satisfied, someone might pay 150$ for a TV in dubious condition, but how many of them are there out there and are they planning on using it or selling it for 300 later? There truly is a bizarre amount of speculators out there nowadays, Sony that monitor their PlayStation's remotely conformed a majority of them sold had not even been launched and scalpers probably managed to actually kill generation 9 indefinitely when any titles sales will be minute.
Worth mentioning that over the past decade, Goodwill got into the habit of putting anything remotely valuable on their online auction site. On top of this, a lot of them will have varying policies regarding CRTs. I've been to locations that took in every single one, others only up to a certain size, and plenty that didn't accept them at all. Even if it's not a Goodwill, it helps to visit the thrift store to get a feel for it firsthand.
Goodwill is just a franchise brand. They are broken up by region, with multiple regions per state usually. Most of them are just going to send CRTs through electronics recycling because they take up too much space to store for e-commerce and they are worthless to almost all of the customers.
Worth mentioning that over the past decade, Goodwill got into the habit of putting anything remotely valuable on their online auction site. On top of this, a lot of them will have varying policies regarding CRTs. I've been to locations that took in every single one, others only up to a certain size, and plenty that didn't accept them at all. Even if it's not a Goodwill, it helps to visit the thrift store to get a feel for it firsthand.
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most thrift stores dont even bother with crts anymore
I just went to my local thrift store today (50% off holiday sale)and saw a Zenith CRT TV that looks about like pic related being sold for $1.99. If I gave a shit about crts that might have been a good deal.
I bet someone will eventually buy it and resale it online as a "SUPER DUPER CRT RETROGAMING NOSTALIGA TV" for $100.
There's like an entire wing of the local thrift store down the street with CRT television and monitors for ten bucks. If I cared to give a shit I would buy them and flip them for a hundred bucks.
This. Thrift stores are the place to go if you're looking for old electronics of any kind. Just read up on what you're buying and make sure it works beforehand.
most thrift stores dont even bother with crts anymore
Who fricking cares how heavy it is?
How often are you moving your fricking TV after you place it?
Normalgays are so fricking moronic holy shit.
Willing to put up with an objectively inferior product because it weighs 5 less pounds.
I dunno, are we talking about the ones the size of a minifridge or the comically oversized ones that look like they should dropped on willey coyetes head? Because both are a pain in the ass if you want to move them to the opposite side of the room and you're breaking bones if you clumsy.
>LED TVs are in >CRTs being thrown out left and right because lol the future >Now they're rare because there's not a whole lot left and there's just about none being made
Only if you have one that was already above average to begin with. Despite what OPs picture shows none of these hipsters want the bottom of the barrel CRTs, they want the names they can jerk each other off with in their echo chamber. Which will mostly be sony and toshiba.
Only certain types. It isn't likely someone will shell out anything for a late 80's one. PC CRT monitors apparently have gotten a lot more rare compared to their television counter part. Most people go for the Sony Triniton monitor so they are the ones that fetch a price.
I currently have 14 crts. I love them all. Although when i have to move, i might actually kill myself. PC crts are getting really hard to find though. the only one i ever paid any real money for was my 1953m at 500 buckaroos. the rest i either got for free or ~20$
paid $200 for a 14 inch PVM but got a 14 inch consumer set and an 18 inch or whatever monitor for free so im not too miffed about the 200 i spent. also, the PVM has near perfect geometry and literally every PVM sold on ebay after i bought mine was more expensive than what i paid so i think im fine
Thats how i feel about the 1953md, its killer/ Sharp as frick image, geometry is not perfect but unless im autistically looking for it while playing or watching something. I never am going to notice it and the tube is fricking bright like it barely has any hours on it. its near impossible to find one for less than 1k. especially with this one being the higher TVL count. id love to have its 14" little brother but, same thing. theyre just hard to come by for a reasonable price and i dont have the social skills to be able to convince hospitals to give me old medical equipment.
Thats how i feel about the 1953md, its killer/ Sharp as frick image, geometry is not perfect but unless im autistically looking for it while playing or watching something. I never am going to notice it and the tube is fricking bright like it barely has any hours on it. its near impossible to find one for less than 1k. especially with this one being the higher TVL count. id love to have its 14" little brother but, same thing. theyre just hard to come by for a reasonable price and i dont have the social skills to be able to convince hospitals to give me old medical equipment.
id love to have one of those super long 9" tvs just for the novelty of it. hell, i would have them sit on my desk anyways, maybe that would be close enough to my face to actually use them comfortably.
also, this is my 14M2E playing mario picross with a SNES mouse. its horrible to play with because the mouse sensitivity is so low you have to move the width of the mouse itself to move a single square on screen. its fine for long lines but short ones are a pain and id rather just play with the pad. just in case anyone was looking for a brief review of the SNES mouse on one of the only other titles aside from mario paint that this mouse actually works with
There /are/ some chink manufacturers using NOS but you have to buy them by the pallet and the tubes in them are very low quality in the first place. CRTs will never truly be made again.
CRTrannies might just be worse than Linux troons
Mindless consumerism
I like to collect them and do a bunch of different stuff with them. I dont really care about the higher end stuff even though if i can get them for a good price, ill pick em up. I just pick out what looks aesthetically appealing to me. I am tired of this flat black panel world we live in.
>they profit by selling them in 3rd worlds that still actively use CRTs.
CRTs aren't in use even in third world countries anymore. That was true 20-10 years ago but the price of LCD screens are so low right now that even buying parts for CRT repair is more expensive than just buying a new $20 LCD screen.
How is linux "mindless consumerism"?
It's free, it's extremely modular, it's better than windows in other every possible metric but the immediate accessibility.
Once 11 becomes mandatory , it's Linux and no going back, 10 was already a bitter bullet to bite.
Not even comparable
I used ME and 95 when I didn't know much of computers, 98 felt like an upgrade and XP felt the best. Vista was buggy and shitty but the Aero UI was sleek to use, I still stuck with XP, Windows 7 felt like Vista perfected and it was the best windows that I used for the longest part of my life, I never acknowledged any other OS after 7, didn't even know of 8's existence until 10.
What forced me to install 10 was a new motherboard, I had windows 7 installation on a flash drive, but when trying to install it, my mouse cursor or keyboard wouldn't work during the installation because they were connected through USB, I tried modifications to the installer but nothing worked. If I had keyboard and mouse with PS/2 connectors, those would've done the trick, but I'd gotten rid of any and all old keyboards and mice I had and trying to buy one from stores was nigh impossible.
So I made a 10 install on my flash drive and bit the bullet. Im using Classic Shell to imitate 7's interface, W10 privacy and Blackbird, trying to scrub the OS from any and all hazards that make it shitty.
Been working fine for couple of year now, for whatever reason, my computer needs a restart every now and then or the performance starts to tank, never had this with 7.
But yeah, I'm never installing 11. Vista was an oversight but other than that, every other windows version has been stellar except for 8, 10 and 11.
Just switch to linux already, everything else is just a cope until you're forced by a new motherboard to again upgrade to windows 11 and then 12 and then 13.
Yes. You can play all games on linux except a handful of titles that explicitly designed it to restrict linux users from playing it (Like Fortnite) citing "hacking" concerns. Like all linux users are some sort of hacker thieves that just want to cheat in every game out there or something.
Sea of thieves isn't in that list and can be played on linux.
Not sure if the resale market is as widespread in Japan, because the steps you need to take to dispose of a CRT is a lot more effort than in the US IIRC. Hence most people kept their CRTs. On the flipside, Australia gave its citizens a check during the 2008 recession, which were overwhelmingly spent on new TVs that prompted most people to get rid of their CRTs.
>Mom found a perfectly fine snes with cables and 2 controllers and 2 games in the attic of her house >Bought a dinky 13" crt for $20 and it has a vcr built in
I honestly wouldn't care about CRTs if they just kept analog inputs on HDTVs and gave them a good upscaler. Literally the only way to directly connect an old console to a brand new tv is through the fricking RF input and I wont be surprised if they start getting rid of that on new TVs too.
99 percent of crt tvs and monitors are hot liquid trash. There are like 2 or 3 monitors that were good. Dell p991, multisync ect. And they cost several thousand new and go for several thousand now.
>99 percent of crt tvs and monitors are hot liquid trash. There are like 2 or 3 monitors that were good
Damn. Just like lcds. I guess some things never change.
now pay attention to how long those listings sit there. (almost) Nobody is paying hundreds for regular black box crts unless theyre very specific models. and even then you have to find the right guy.
Yeh idk what to tell you my dude, mine are there but I'm also not in the dark mode so maybe that hides it? Even looking at out of state stuff I see '4 weeks ago in ...'
now pay attention to how long those listings sit there. (almost) Nobody is paying hundreds for regular black box crts unless theyre very specific models. and even then you have to find the right guy.
this, never just go on ebay and look at the first couple prices assuming thats what they go for. check for sold listings and make an average to get the real price. theres tons of people insisting on overcharging their stuff and never going down with the price and if the action or whatever ends and their desired price isnt met they just cancel and put it back in for the same price, hoping someday some idiot actually pays up
The 2X30 monitors look cool as hell but they're all from like 1985. The tubes arent in great shape. The few I've bought were from a studio though, so at least they were regularly serviced. One even had some caps replaced.
it hurts that the bvms/pvms were trashed by the pallet because nobody cared about them. now you have people paying 2k for them when there was a time you couldnt give them away. I am
Thats how i feel about the 1953md, its killer/ Sharp as frick image, geometry is not perfect but unless im autistically looking for it while playing or watching something. I never am going to notice it and the tube is fricking bright like it barely has any hours on it. its near impossible to find one for less than 1k. especially with this one being the higher TVL count. id love to have its 14" little brother but, same thing. theyre just hard to come by for a reasonable price and i dont have the social skills to be able to convince hospitals to give me old medical equipment.
and i just cant really care for paying that much for them except that one that i have because that was my grail set. And for watching movies/playing older games i prefer this one hitachi that i have. The image is softer and generally feels more "right". i just dont understand the need to chase these super crisp scanlines over component when the softness of coax/s-video was how 99% of people viewed their stuff growing up.
>trashed by the pallet
Not sure if you're grabbing that from an anecdote I told in a different thread but I have personally sent a pallet load of various production monitors off to the e-cycling camps while working at a rental house. The last dozen or so I picked up were about as cheap as Ive ever gotten em. The bvm-d20f1u(s) were $75 each, except for 2 that were marked nfg, those were $25 each. Sold the broken ones for $300 each I think. One, coincidentally, to some anon who was later asking how to fix them in /crt/. Asian kid with a "strictly business" sticker on his shitbox.
>mfw mommy is a coalburning bawd dating a Black who used to work for WGN and he drove 2 hours just to deliver 2 PVMs to my house because he heard I'm into retro video games
I got 2 for a few bucks
Ones a 20” PVM and the others a 28” consumer, both do RGB and I have every old console hooked up to them with flash carts and ODE’s, I also have my 360 connected up to them to stream movies and DVDs to them, it’s great
yeh this is a lie. I wanted a TV for my room when I was 14. I'd settle for the smallest, any size would do. A 12 inch with vhs cost $70.
I ended up getting it by selling popcorn in the boyscouts.
Old cheap LCDs are still going to have bad pixel response times and horrible input lag. They also will flip out when given non-standard resolutions.
Also if you play a game that switches between resolutions (like many RPGs on the PS1 did) then it can literally just become unplayable.
>Small early flatscreens
Those are probably the worst possible option you could pick. Some consoles don't even work on them because they do weird refresh rates like 61hz on the SNES
lol no.
some people are willing to buy old shit for high price, let them.
you are the same, except you don't have money, so deal with it.
i mean, if you don't have the money, do you even have the space to have one of these old tv? and what are you going to play?
if you don't have an old tv, maybe you don't the old console either(snes, nes megadrive,psx)
then you don't have the games to play, and if you are complaining about high price on some old tv, go and watch the price of good old games.
you are going to get diarrhea.
ok homosexual, I post this on every single one of these threads. First off stop searching for "CRT" because anyone who knows what a CRT probably knows that there's a market for it. Instead search for "old TV" or "tube TV" or other terms literal boomers used for the TV. There you'll find the normies cleaning out their dead grandma's house who are clueless
Shit man me too. I remember lying in bed and knowing my mom was still up watching tv by the whining sound that I heard. This was always true until one day my mom was asleep and I was still hearing the damn noise. Spooked the frick out of me
>looking for a CRT for literally months >none going cheap >nobody I ask has one lying around for me to take off their hands >eventually cave and pay israelite fees for USED VINTAGE RETRO GAMER TV **L@@K** >walking to work like 1 week later >someone threw theirs out on the pavement by their house
life is a meme sometimes
With Mister, OSSC and my GBS-C I have completely rid myself of any need for a CRT for games.
All I need is a decent 1080p or 1440p monitor and I'm set with all of my hardware.
The last dude I sold a bvm to showed up with a mister to test the monitor. I hadn't ever seen one before, it was neat. I was a bit confused though, I thought the entire point was to play retro on modern tvs
That's moronic, doubly so if that's your pic and you went with Analog IO without needing it.
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The last dude I sold a bvm to showed up with a mister to test the monitor. I hadn't ever seen one before, it was neat. I was a bit confused though, I thought the entire point was to play retro on modern tvs
You'd think so, but the project lead and his cronies are autists and strongly oppose analog output simply because they don't use it.
Every time I see one of these I ream the person in messages and make them feel stupid af. If the listing stays up for a while and keep messaging them every few days or so making fun of them.
>Go play bowling >See a tekken 3 arcade cabinet >"Why not" >Play a match or two >Eyes started to hurt real fricking bad
Is this a normal experience with CRTs?
Electrical repairs guy here. Please stop buying CRTs I'm begging you. The uptick in people bringing tube tvs into my store these past 2 years has been an ongoing headache. Everyone wants them fixed, nobody realises how much they cost to fix, everybody gets mad when you quote them a price in the hundreds that just barely covers the cost of components if they're even still in manufacture. "Mate are you joking it's like 30 years old". Get it out of my fricking shop then idiot.
Godzilla on PS4 is way better than dipshit reviewers claimed it was. Perfect Godzilla sim and it's hypocritical of people to whine about taking two minutes to destroy a generator in a level before fighting some monsters when they're totally happy with climbing 100 Ubisoft towers for 50 hours.
do people actually pay for CRTs? I'm a huge VRhead and I just get them all for free on Facebook Marketplace from boomers trying to throw them out but can't move them.
Depends where you are really. higher population areas are going to have a lot more free CRTs than flyover country. Personally most CRTs I find around where I am are always around 20-50$ unless whoever's selling it is an idiot.
I've paid twice, 20 dollars for a CRT monitor that still gets use to this day thanks to retroarch and 90s PC games, the other is a 15 dollar TV I came across on facebook too, I would honestly only pay more than that at this point for either one of those stupid big 16:10 monitors or the ones that reach like 1600p resolution but that was never the most common consumer hardware in the first place so it makes sense they're expensive even today. The bullshit in OPs picture is unfortunately still real but super easy to avoid if you actually want one.
i'm willing to sell an old crt i have that some old man i used to work with gave me for 20, it doesn't have a remote or anything tho
hell, i'd probably even give it away for free, you go find your own remote, i just want to be rid of it
i don't even know if it works, it has been sitting in my car for years
Yes since it just covers the entire desktop and you can click-through it as if it wasn't there, I can't take snapshot of the app or even screen record it but it doesn't allow me to take a screenshot internally. Just can't use Print Screen or OBS.
Hundreds of shaders and options built in.
they called them tube TV's first, but the point is there's way more different types of TV's now so your post is pointless
Did I say it was better you illiterate motherfricker?
I said they're fine for the right content, like 480p shit, and if you really want to, Xbox 360 and ps3
HD crts arent worthless, and you're missing out if you just dismiss them as worthless.
they are worse for those systems than modern TV's, you get all of the lag and none of the benefits of a CRT
It was amazing how quick they shoved CRTs out. At the end the only CRTs I saw were in the bargain bin like a bunch of those small and cheap DVD + CRT combos
Nah it's the same. I had a record player growing up but my generation was all about having a record collection. Luckily a good turntable isn't as hard to come by as a crt.
>Friend's brother has a bunch of oldish games, just gives a couple to me a few years back >His sleazy car salesman friend gets in his ear about how much they're "worth" on ebay >At best he gives me a slight discount on the last sold listing of it >He's just sitting on fricking TWO copies of Pokemon Emerald which apparently he would have just given to me even a year ago
I mean I'm not expecting that shit for free but frick me the ebay market is cancer.
Burn in on plasma is mostly reversible so it's much better than OLED in that regard
Plasma sucks because they are low res and need lots of power. Most of them even have fans on the inside because they get so warm. And they are fragile when moved, you can damage them just by not keeping them upright
You're right, but real burn in should not happen if you're not playing the same game all the time
OLED on the other hand degrades no matter what you do and the degradation adds up over time, the manufacturers dont expect you to use them for more than 2-3 years
I'm sorry but that's just not true at all, especially if you play 4:3 content on a plasma, it doesn't take long at all for the burn in to become obvious
I have owned both and I can tell you right now that Plasma is the absolute worst type of display for static displays
they're unnecessary really, I regularly watch anime on my tvs and the only thing I really notice is that the picture is noticeably brighter than my modern monitor gets
you can't really replicate it like you can games.
do you use plex or kodi or something?
or i guess windows media center? currently I'm using a ps3 with component cables but it doesn't always want to cooperate with me.
I use universal media server, it just works
I also don't recommend the PS3 because of "Cinavia" which I remember back in the day as it cuts audio in some things you watch for copy protection
The PS3 was the perfect media device until they implemented that shit. That was when I started just using my PC in the living room and haven't looked back.
bought a triniton from some old IBM dork on craigslist who wanted to get rid of it because it was taking up space
we talked about neogeo for 40 minutes and i got it for 70 bucks.
got the snes and Dreamcast hooked up to it. lately i've been going in there to attend to my aerobiz save
I picked up a CRT off a neighbour years ago and when I tried it out it produced these loud popping noises once every 15 or so minutes when I tried to run some F-Zero GX on it. Scared the shit out of me and I tossed it - shame because it was a sexy model and the casing had little wear
Wondering if anyone knows anything about that or if I cucked myself out of a good CRT
sounds like the flyback was arcing. Its fixable but if you arent competent with electronics you really have no business messing around in the back of one in the first place.
boomers. When they were younger they acted exactly like what they accuse younger people to be like. Absolute hypocrites who cheated the system to only benefit themselves.
I hate that shirty YouTube's have basically spent tens of thousands of dollars on stupid stuff you can find on eBay, and now everyone prices things at that point.
Okabe called Mr Tennouji "Mr Braun" because CRTs are often referred to as "Braun tubes" in Japan, after the inventor of the CRT, German physicist Ferdinand Braun.
**The More You Know**
There are already experimental CRT kits coming out, they just require 4K or 8K scalers to perfectly emulate the CRT electrode gun, so there is no need to ever buy CRTs ever again when that is a possibility.
Is there a significant difference between flat-screen CRTs as opposed to the regular curved screens?
Someone in my city is selling a 32" Trinitron for $15, but I already have a 32" Wega (which is just the flat-screen version of the Trinitron).
Yes and no
Usually geometry is worse on flat screens but they are still really good, sometimes light guns don’t work on them but I think that’s more related to HDCRTs
So yeah, definitely get it if you want one, just make sure it’s not a HD variant
Ban morons from buying 20 of them to decorate their DUDE RETRO LMAO podcast sets. In fact ban podcasts altogether. Nothing of value is ever said on them anyway. All pedantic bullshit.
How autistic do you need to be to think CRTs were superior to LCD, and especially modern screens?
Either you are stubborn boomers who hate change, nostalgiagays or “born in the wrong generation” gays
I still remember the eyestrain that was computer monitors and the shitty blurry mess that was crt tvs
Imagine seeing these memes and now actually wanting to buy inferior technology
Again, they are superior for standard definition content
Consoles from 1st to 6th gen used CRT's in mind for their graphics
DVD's and SD content before mid 2000's were designed with CRT's in mind so they genuinely look better for all of your old stuff, they do better blacks and they have better motion clarity, all while also having less lag
If you want to play retro vidya, do yourself a favour and find a cheap CRT to use
Modern technology like CRT royale actually emulate how photons get scattered by phosphor in CRT electron guns.
It needs a REALLY powerful GPU to get realistic effects that are indistinguishable from CRTs right now (The one with the RTX3090 is where you can't see the difference anymore).
Sure NOW that means CRT looking games on a LCD is out of most people's reach. But as technology gets better it becomes trivial for GPUs eventually to emulate this phosphor effect and have the exact same feel and look as a real CRT for pixel games.
I personally sold my trinitron after getting a RTX3090 during the pandemic. There's just no reason to own a CRT anymore.
I'm telling you straight up it looks identical on a 4K OLED screen compared to a high-end CRT like a trinitron (I had both at the same time and compared them, even had my buddies do a blind test where they had to guess based on images which was which, they guessed wrong)
I disagree and actually think it works best with composite signal simulation S-Video works amazing as well. RGB is kinda lacking if you're playing REALLY old hardware (late 1970s or pre-NES obscure consoles)
I'm sorry but either you don't remember what they look like or you've never seen a good CRT
2 years ago
Anonymous
Didn't you read my post? I had a Sony Trinitron (Sells on ebay for thousands of USD) hooked up next to my 4K OLED display with CRT Royale to see the difference and couldn't see it. I even had fellow retro enthusiast friends do blind tests where they had to figure out which picture was which screen and they guessed wrong.
I'm not some nostalgia guy playing retro games from time to time. I'm an enthusiast that fixes CRTs and resells them myself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Look, I can tell you right now that an OLED is going to show up well in a picture and you don't know how to photograph a CRT well
I'm going to say the Trinitron was dull looking as well on your picture
2 years ago
Anonymous
You HAVE to be a reseller to have this much stake in CRTs being superior.
Either that or you never watched it on a 4K OLED screen. It needs to be OLED because of the black levels and it needs to be at 4K because it's exactly 9x the resolution of these retro games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have both, the motion clarity matters and a native 240p will always look better than a 9x integer image
I don't really care what your friends think, I used filters on a 4K OLED until I bought a nice old 28" set
now I only use with all real hardware from 3rd to 6th gen but flash carts and ODE's there's just no comparison
2 years ago
Anonymous
>filters
It's a CRT emulator not a filter it calculates the exact way light would be scattered by phosphor in CRTs, there's a reason you need a top of the line PC to render it correctly. Filters are trash. CRT emulation is indistinguishable from real CRTs in 2022.
>1989 >dell crt is new and 5 people have them >costs a lot >people buy them to be on the top end
>1999 >dell crt is 10 years old and 5000000 people have them >cheap >people buy them because they can only afford them
>2009 >dell crt is 20 years old and hopelessly obsolete >not even goodwill will take them off your hands >worthless, get tossed out
>2019 >dell crt is 30 years old and 5 people still have them >supply outstrips demand by virtue of supply plummeting to zero >retro gaming nostalgia crt *rare!* 150$
millennials are physically incapable of not consooming
>millennials
My good sirs this is zoomer thing larping as if [old thing good] from before their time.
>sirs
Good morning sir.
Delusional.
Millennials don't care about this shit, though. They'll play old games in the wrong aspect radio and wrong display type simply because they weren't even born when 4:3 was a thing.
I'm 34 you fricking moron. What do you think millennials are?
I am 33 and I only had a lcd when I was 20
and even then I had the old crtv in other room
Millenials are genuinely the least consoomer generation since the lost generation. We've put many major brands in the grave or on life support because we refuse to buy stuff.
That's why they hate us.
>Millenials are genuinely the least consoomer
your generation is what the meme was based on idiot
Dell was always overpriced shit
This. My workplace gave me a $550 4k monitor that isn't even curved, meanwhile the one I have that is and measures 4 inches larger was only about $375.
>that isn't even curved
Why would you want it to be?
They are also one of the worst big name tech brands. I dont think I ever owned a decent dell computer growing up.
don't forget the proprietary motherboards
>tfw recently bought a dell optiplex model
is it too late bros
I'm the OP of that and optiplexes are easily their best product and fun for a tinker toy. So dont stress it. I mainly meant their full size tower PCs suck ass.
thats good to know
I'd heard good things about them (which is why I bought one). Just wanted to make sure the thing wasn't gonna crap out on me
They are literally the best in the business space. HP sucks a fat chode
ye
Frick yall my dell Ultrasharp 30 inch 1440p monitor is over 10 years old and its 16:10 The most based aspect ratio AND its just as bright as the day i bought it for 1200 USD
Ditch the fake woodgrain and the mannequin head, hide your cables better and you MIGHT have a decent station. Right now though its ugly and trashy as piss. You get that desk and drawers from goodwill or your grandma lmao
Nice.
Go get a 43 inch 4k tv for 200 bucks and compare 10 years of advancement.
too much sad and gay in this image for me to even process
>3rd world
Nah
Have one in my living room.
Yeah third world with my 20tb HDD server and 10tb in SSDs
That wouldn't make them cucked though wouldn't it?
It would just mean they cucked the most generations
I think some of the things in that room are to old to be there, like the chair. Otherwise love the light blue panel wall.
i paid to much for this chair 10 years ago it still is comfy and works great i dont care that much about a chair function over form + some based aesthetics
Gonna paint that wall white actually lol/
>Gonna paint that wall white actually lol/
Still great, I just like the panels, I think they're called panels. Your walls almost remind me of those old 80's houses pic related
Its called woodgrain and yeah someone just painted over it lmao
>someone just painted over it lmao
Not your first place?
small movement and that PC goes down. what a moronic idea.
nah its screwed down cry more
Nah i dont have the money for ownership
Soon.
Speak for yourself, my first HP ran from 2001 to 2011 without any issues.
Their XPS laptops are worth the money. Their desktops and monitors are still overpriced.
dell keyboards will outlast the sun
are you an elementary school student or something?
dell crts used to be rebranded sonys for cheap
so no
Yeah, until crts fell out of style, practically all of them came out of a sony-owned factory in Pennsylvania.
The reason it was there was because it was right next to the partner glass factory (glass is moronicly heavy & expensive to ship).
Their monitors are the best on the market as they get first dibs on production batches.
maybe once upon a time
I know we're talking about monitors here, but my my Dell keyboard was built around 1990 and I'm still using it. It might even be still usable with adapters when I'm dead. Damn thing's invincible.
Sorry son there's a chip shortage in China.
>go to like 10 dealerships looking for anything that drives
>muh chip shortage, i HAVE to charge 200%!
>go to craigslist
>find a car on the first fricking page at a reasonable price
thanks for reading my blog
>have an entire storage building full of like a hundred 20 year old TVs
I'm rich!
Whoa stop the presses, things fluctuate in value due to supply and demand?
>Supply: practically infinite, billions, classified as trash in all the world's nations
>demand: mentally ill trannies on Reddit Ganker and reddit
CRT monitors aren't being manufactured anymore, moron. The "billions" that exist exist in dumpsters or Africa.
No they exist in every garage, and attic, and basement in the nation. Literally millions
they are breaking rapidly and not being fixed
This is the scariest part. I picked up three different Carts that all had some problem, I tried to get a big cabinet one with s video I had fixed but the repair guy near me couldn't find the parts/documentation. By the time I picked up a fourth one for free at my job and saw it had those horizontal lines near the top of the screen I just bit the bullet and got a $100 repair from the same guy. Unless we're talking 2000s consumer sets this is no longer a cheap hobby.
youre a bit late for the time when people put those out on the curb because they switched to LCD. especially if you want a PVM. doesnt mean there are none, i just recently picked up two off the curb but its getting increasingly rare and there is no reversal for this trend because CRTs simply dont get produced anymore and the only people that still care for them will not put them out on the curb in a year when theyre done with them.
That was about 20 years ago, no is hoarding CRTs anymore. If you were looking to buy one you missed the fricking boat by a decade or more.
moron
I just got a big trinitron for about 30 bucks
Since when did slapping a sticker that says "Turbo premium!" became supply and demand? Are you the type of person that buys a car at sticker price.
>Are you the type of person that buys a car at sticker price.
The price is the price, I'm not some foreigner haggling over goats.
the demand can be moronic and the answer given by el diablo
That's inflation for ya
Unless somebody makes more of the appropriate vaacum tubes to pump out CRTs and appeal to aged millenials the existing supply is going to get more and more expensive.
The oldest Millenials are 40 though, and that's peak midlife crisis spending time. A few disparate factories still exist in China for Vacuum tubes to make parts for servicing specialized equipment, it's unlikely but possible they might make a comeback if somebody can ramp up production and convince people a 15 inch CRT is worth $750 new.
>Unless somebody makes more of the appropriate vaacum tubes to pump out CRTs
What kind of capital would it require to make a new CRT factory?
I've been wondering this same question with 5.25" floppies a lot lately too
>What kind of capital would it require to make a new CRT factory?
Even if you could make them the logistics of shipping them is absurd and you'd have minimum $150+ shipping within country, probably hundreds if you're shipping overseas.
There's a reason CRTs died off, and it has nothing to do with the consumer.
Yeah they are never coming back ever, there was only a brief time and place when they made sense to mass produce and that's gone for good.
There is genuinely a lack of demand, not like having any desk space at all, being adjustable and not having abyssmal brightness is a consideration for anyone? Thrift shops still refuse to take them since they couldn't ever sell them to anyone.
>There's a reason CRTs died off, and it has nothing to do with the consumer.
It has almost everything to do with the consumer. We were fricking glad as shit to get rid of CRTV's because they sucked dick.
>It has almost everything to do with the consumer.
Companies have to pay to ship materials and finished products around. Even a plastic shell for a CRT is going to cost SIGNIFICANTLY more money simply because it takes up more volume in shipping.
There's not some moronic israeli conspiracy here, it's just logistics and economics. CRTs take up too much space, weigh too much, require you to deal with all the regulations surrounding lead, and cost more money to produce every step of the way compared to any modern display technology.
Just because consumers thought flat screens were amazing and "the future" doesn't have anything to do with it, CRTs were going to die as soon as a lighter, smaller technology came around.
You can't flood a market with shit nobody wants. That's why you don't see 3D tv's anymore. If they flooded the market with flatscreens and everybody liked their old CRTV's then flatscreens would have never taken off. People switched because CRTV's are fricking horrible and nobody liked them.
I think it had to do more with the resolution than the display technology. 720p LCDs and Plasmas became affordable pretty quick, and that was the point where CRT became old news, because almost all the ones you'd see would be lower res. If HD CRTs were so impractical I don't think there would have been such a quick transition.
You say that but plasmas died for the same reason CRTs did, they are both too much hassle to keep in proper condition.
I dont want to have to call out a technician to service my monitor like its a refrigerator. That shit is just ridiculous. The worst thing that will happen to your LCD (if you dont drop it) is dead pixels, which is minor compared to issues CRTs and plasmas could face.
Once OLEDs are more affordable they will have all the upsides of a CRT (except the scanlines) without any of the downsides.
>Once OLEDs are more affordable they will have all the upsides of a CRT (except the scanlines) without any of the downsides.
Besides terrible screen degradation, burn-in that sets after a couple of years of continual usage and flickering at low light.
OLED is just as terrible as plasma. It only sells because Samsung's marketing managed to convince people that OLED is good.
OLEDs are genuinely the best looking picture you can have at the moment, but unfortunately they're not suited to stationary images
And plasma was the best HD picture you could get back in the day, way over LCDs even, but the burn in issues made them fail.
OLED is just as bad except even when there's no burn in the displays visibly degrade. Also they flicker at low light.
>b-b-but I have a phone from 2017 and the screen is fine!!!!!1!!1!1
>b-b-but I dont notice flickering!!!!!!!!1!!1!1!1
If the costumer is too stupid to notice or care about pic related, they're not gonna notice the difference between an IPS or an OLED display in normal usage.
Forgot pic.
phone OLED is not the same as 4K OLED TV's
you're not going to get the same quality at that size screen
OLEDs degrade continually, it's how they inherently work. The pic I sent is from a first gen OLED screen that degrades quicker than modern screens, but even modern displays degrade noticeably after 1000 hours.
I have a panasonic from 2018 and constant use
the degradation is not as noticeable as you say
You don't tend to notice things when they happen gradually, but they're night and day when they're shown side by side.
I have done colour tests on it, whites are still white not grey
They're never gonna be gray. They tend to shift towards yellos since blue LEDs degrade first. Brightness also goes down by a lot.
>but I don't notice it!
Then you wouldn't notice the supposed "lack of contrast" of an IPS display either.
what part is, white is still white do you not understand
>what is color temperature
White is always going to be white until the screen completely degrades to shit. Your screen has degraded though, it must have less overall brightness and a more yellowish color temperature overall than when the panel was new.
>White is always going to be white
>a more yellowish
good job moron
>he still doesn't know what color temperature is
So... this is the people babbling about "muh true blacks" and "muh contrast" huh.
do you understand what a colour test is
stop talking about shit you don't understand
>but I don't notice it!
>Then you wouldn't notice the supposed "lack of contrast" of an IPS display either.
Are you moronic? I never said I don't notice it. I said I tested it with a fricking colorimeter, an i1 display pro. If that thing can't detect the deviation after two years, neither will your eyes.
add scaling to your list too. non-integer scaling on modern screens looks like ass
This is every HD TV though, that's one of the benefits of CRT's, there's no native resolution
You mean LG's marketing?
Because Samsung was Anti-OLED TVs for a long time.
>You can't flood a market with shit nobody wants.
Explain LCDs for the first 10 years of their existence then. Between the late 2000s and early 2010s most LCDs were objectively worse in every measure compared to a CRT, yet the latest computer CRTs you're ever likely to see come from 2002 maybe 2003.
>Between the late 2000s and early 2010s most LCDs were objectively worse in every measure compared to a CRT
Except weight and thickness, which anon specifically mentioned. They also did not burn in with static images and consumed way less power, which made them ideal for office use. What do you think big corpos chose when they had to buy thousands of monitors for a big office? 20kg worth of fragile glass shit that heated up the rooms or thin, efficient plastic displays?
I swear some of you guys have the reading comprehension of a chimp.
I've had my LG C9 since 2019. 4+ hours of use every day. No burn-in, no degradation, just measured it again with my colorimeter. Stop spreading bullshit from 2015 to cope with your poorhomosexualry.
what is advertising a product? manufacturers are constantly shilling their new product as being the better one that you should get instead of sticking with your old inferior product. early LCDs were absolute dogshit but them being smaller, lighter and offering higher resolutions is what sweetened the deal.
Supply constraints? Have you ever been to a dump in your life?
Nah that is never going to happen. If you're selling a fricking 30 y o monitor at that price it's for sure only gonna be a handful of stupidly rich people or speculating idiots buying it and it's not gonna be tried out by the general public and there won't be any genuine demand even if it were actually good.
Making CRT's out of lead and bromine is illegal in america.
>2007
>criminalize production of CRT's
>destroy all of the manufacturing equipment
>turn the broadcasting stations to digital
What a coincidence
No you moron, it's because you can ship MULTIPLE times as many flat screens FOR LESS MONEY. Where you used to be able to fit a hundred or two hundred PC CRTs on a container ship, you can now fit like a thousand LCD monitors instead.
CRTs were always going to die as soon as something else came along.
Nope, they stuck around in offices because they had better refresh rates and higher resolution, hich helps against eye strain. Only in the 2010 were they better. If the average person didn't have to get a new TV or adaptor, they wouldn't have bought a flat screen.
frick these new captcha
They stuck around in offices because offices rarely ever upgrade monitors. My company is still using shit from the late 2000s for monitors, even though the laptops get upgraded every 4 years.
>better refresh rates
Black person if you're talking about eyestrain then LCDs have no "refresh rate" issues, they are constantly lit unlike a CRT which flickers at 60hz. And most normies never knew to go above 60hz.
The average person had an HDTV by 2010, what the frick are you talking about zoomer? Only poor people held onto their CRTs longer. You still see super poor people put them out to the curb even today.
early lcd panels were vastly inferior to crts in everything except weight, which in an office environment, isnt an issue.
And pretty much everyone who wasn't poor had a flat screen by 2010 because FLAT SCREEN GUD
>moron
>zoomer
You were close I'm a poorgay
Even "poorgays" would rather get a 55 inch 4k smart tv on black Friday for $200 than keep a ancient crt tv.
>hich helps against eye strain
lolwut. Even shitty LCDs of that era (good ol' 5:4 aspect ratio displays toting 1280x1024) were easier on the eyes vs. CRTs running at 85hz to mitigate the hz flicker.
That just explains why the companies used their political influence to force consumers to adopt LCD. Companies can try and cut costs by shipping chinkshit as much as they want, I still wont buy it. They make it illegal for anyone to produce the stuff I want and collectively choose to stop selling the product I would prefer and instead only ship the new cheaper, easier to bulk ship good? Well I guess I haven't got much of a choice now, have I?
you really are a dense motherfricker
Sony still paying you to shill LCD on Ganker? I'm surprised your contract is still valid.
I don't even own a CRT, haven't since I moved out of my mum's place and left the PS1 behind, I've got nothing to prove.
nice bait, i own 7 crts
It's not like America was relevant to CRT manufacture in the 00s
absolute moron
with that recent SCOTUS decision severely limiting the EPA's ability to arbitrarily ban things, I wonder how much longer this homosexualry will last. Would be nice to someday see the words "Made in USA" on products again.
>convince people a 15 inch CRT is worth $750 new.
People are already paying that for CRT's half the size (Sony PVM monitors). And they're busted second hand ones that have thousands of hours of use already.
in your dreams. there is not a single production line left that could make a CRT. just because there are some facilities that still make vacuum tubes doesnt mean they are anywhere near capable of making CRT tubes. its just not the same thing. the entire production apparatus behind those CRTs are gone and by the time you could even just replicate a decent quality CRT, not even make any improvements, just make it as cheap as you can, with how low the demand actually is youre looking at a super small production run with each unit costing as much as a new car. $750 would be basically for free. just think about how many people realistically could care about a newly produced CRT and tell me with a straight face its above 10k. it isnt. the demand is low, its only niche retro gaming circles that still care about it. hell, the highest demand for crts at the moment is most likely just scalpers thinking they can flip them for hundreds. its NEVER going to happen. CRTs are dead for good and theres nothing you can do about it. get one now while you still can. if you see one on the curb just take it, even if its not your ideal unit. if you spot a good deal on ebay, just get it, though its unlikely youll still find good deals. hell, try contacting companies that could still have them. an advertisement production studio in germany sold off a couple of TVs just last year. but dont hold out hope that someday theyll make a comeback.
but realistically, how hard would it be to make a modern CRT
idgaf about the impracticality of it
considering all the technology jumps I feel this market is completely untapped, "niche shit" isn't so niche when there's a huge market of boomer->millennial gamers that would fork over 100-200$ for modernized retro tech
People have already stated before a new manufacturered unit will be around the 1,000$ price tag. Probably ranging from 850~1,200. Are you willing to shell that out for old tech that is cumbersome to house and move?
where is this 1000$ evaluation coming from
is there some kind of article
I'm honestly curious
forgive my moronation
if I was rich yeah I'd thrown down 1k for a modern CRT
$1k is a gross underestimation. were not just talking about making a low volume production run with tons of custom parts. were talking literally erecting production facilities that dont exist anymore from scratch. sure, shit like PCBs and and the housing can be made in existing factories but the tubes cant and at the end of it it all has to be assembled and shipped. like i said before, with how low volume of a production that would realistically be youre looking at the price of a new car per unit. think like 10k minimum
there is only one man alive who can still manufacture CRTs, and he can only do so because he squirreled away new old stock components from the company he used to run.
he has an engineer in his rolodex who can still design the photon guns, but the process for manufacturing perfect glass for TVs has been completely lost.
realistally speaking you would be starting completely from scratch and would have to blow millions if not billions to set up all new manufacturing tools and training all new staff.
you might as well just license SED/FED from Sony and spin that up instead.
>10k
Oh easily more than that.not "enough" but I can say with absolute certainty there's more than 10k people on the planet who care.
But anon, wiener and ball torture is great
ok, lets assume theres far more than 10k interested in CRTs. thats still not the true number of people that would be in the market to buy a new production CRT for upwards of thousands of dollars when they could just hope to grab an old used model if they dont already have one. people interested in CRTs =/= people in the market to buy a potential new one for way more than the current used units go for
okay and? f there is demand for them then new production lines can be set up.
you might actually be moronic. The demand for crts is literally collectors that like them because theyre old and unique now/~~*scalpers*~~/retro gamers/people who do art stuff with them. IF a new line of crts came up i can gaurantee that the majority of people would just ask. "why would i pay 2k for something i can get for 0-20$ on almost any given day?"
IF a new line of crts came up it would probably be at a time where they are not so easy to get ahold of as they are today and IF they came up they would probably be more advanced than your average garage sale CRT making that argument invalid.
That literally won’t happen though and you’re stupid to think it ever will
Nah it will. the price of them are already going up.
>new CRTs
Always makes me laugh when idiots say this
the price is going up because scalpers took notice of it. the fad will die out soon enough and anyone that cares about getting a CRT will either get one or give up.
>IF a new line of crts came up it would probably be at a time where they are not so easy to get ahold of as they are today
not how it works, you sound like an underage conjuring up some bullshit to keep coping youll one day own a crt as well
>IF they came up they would probably be more advanced than your average garage sale CRT
how? no one has been making CRTs for well over a decade, where does this sudden advancement in technology come from? engineering an even more advanced CRT would also drive up the production cost even more than just copying the latest consumer models and not changing a thing other than maybe the PCB that could be made way cheaper and smaller than back then.
We could have had the fricking holy grail of display technologies, but for whatever fricking reason the chinks cucked us.
https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/sed-tv.htm
SED was shit. It had all the flaws of CRT with most of the flaws of LCD.
>Still burns in
>Still becomes unusable in any kind of sunlight
>Still has terrible contrast ratio in a lit room
>Has all the input lag issues of any other HDTV (including HDTV CRTs)
>Fixed resolution, can't do 240p which would make games look just as bad as any other HDTV
>Minimum 1 frame input lag because unlike a CRT you have to send an entire frame to memory before it will display on the TV (sample and hold)
>Would have taken up even MORE energy than a CRT
SED had no advantages over plasma with lots more issues. They were never going to be viable.
Source on those issues?
Also any issues like that could have easily been ironed out if they had adopted and advanced the technology.
>Source on those issues?
They're literally the same issues CRTs/LCDs have just combined into one shitty package.
>Uses vacuum tublets coated in phosphors on one end
That gives you low contrast, unusable in bright light, high energy usage, and burn in.
>Has a fixed grid of red green and blue subpixels
That gives you the minimum 1 frame lag, inability to do standard definition resolutions, inability to do interlacing, and scaling issues that all HDTVs have with anything other than native res content.
That's literally all you need to learn about. Learn how CRTs work as a vacuum tube device, and for LCDs just look up "sample & hold" and "fixed resolution displays".
They can just add new inputs like hdmi alongside retro connectors and market them as a retro and modern media station.
CRT and analog ouput is te the only sensible way to use emulators right now
That's dumb. If a game is good it can be good even if it looks a bit scuffed by modern displays. If a game's only appeal is how it looks on a crt then it's probably not worth playing
>The oldest Millenials are 40 though
30 year old boomer
my 40yo cousin didn't have internet in elementary school
don't lump gen y with millenials
>midlife crisis spending time
you mean finally having the income and stability to do what they wanted to do all along?
>searching "crt" when looking for a crt television
anyone who puts crt in their listing already knows what they have. if you want to actually get a good deal, just search shit like "old tv" or "tube tv" so you get the boomers that have no idea what they have
But they have an excellent idea of what they have zoomer moron, which is ubiquitous and hard to dispose of e-waste.
thats why they will give it to you for free or extremely cheap you fricking moron. boomers arent going to overcharge for a crt, but some soi ridden millennial absolutely will
MINT
Is it mint, /asp/ie-kun?
I bought a Wii U from some boomer on ebay who listed it as "near mint/ tested and working" and the fricking disc drive and HDMI port were broken and it looked like absolute shit. Meanwhile I buy handhelds from Japanese sellers and they look mint and are CIB for half the price. I hate boomers so much it is unreal.
Zoomer here. How good are CRT filters to not even bother with these dinosaurs?
theyre hideous
t. Early zoomer that grew up with CRTs
CRTs have motion clarity that LCDs cannot reproduce, but otherwise they're basically indistinguishable
There are other qualities that make them worthwhile for retro games, like the color bleed effect in pic related
I'm not altogether convinced the left image is accurate or correct, the dull greenish/bluish greys on the face appear to be completely absent from the CRT capture or shader, whichever the right image is.
Unless, the point is that the color bleed for the high saturation skin tones totally overpowers the desaturated parts.
yeah wtf, where did the green highlights go
yeah because i sit 5cm away from my lcd screen peeping at pixels.
if you apply blurring filter and sit 2 meters away from screen the effect will be the same.
its not regular blur since its not equal in all directions. You can emulate it of course but it means you have to do the effort and cant just use wrong resolution for artificial blur.
5 min fricking with ibispaintX
If you didn't grow up with CRTs, you wouldn't notice that they aren't "perfect" in whatever arbitrary way is defined by the very specific design of the TV or computer monitor you had growing up. They are good enough when it comes to the oft-discussed dithering and color bleed effects that are otherwise lost, but anything beyond that is just personal preference anyway. The only hard rule is that these types of filters objectively benefit from higher screen resolutions - people who typically complain about the filters not being accurate are using them at 1080p, which is definitely low enough to be noticeably bad on a 27 inch LCD.
I haven’t used a crt in a decade
So I legitimately can’t tell the difference
They are awful and soulless. But maybe if you have a really good monitor...idk, still unlikely, the magic can not be replicated.
They're better than not using them (if you know how to set them up).
However they're nowhere near as good as the real thing because they cannot fix certain faults with modern tech like input lag, motion blur, shitty contrast and colour etc.
Also to accurately simulate a crt mask and phosphors you need like 8K resolution.
>Faults
Input Lag: modern LCD are sub 9ms.
Motion Blur: OLED is fine, Retroarch has run-ahead
Shitty Contrast: your used phosphor coated CRT is wearing out every day you use it
Colo(u)r: moronic leaf
You'll never fix the inherent flaws of OLED technology.
you're right, but I can buy a new OLED.
Very good despite what copium used 100k hour CRT hoarders think.
CRT Royale shaders on Retroarch or with ShaderGlass (on github) to use shaders on any standalone emulator or PC game is pretty much perfect on a 4K OLED.
Needs to be OLED though to pull the effect off.
Royale even has different input modes like composite, RF, S-Video.
Royale also has a interlacing option to simulate interlacing game effects. The usual one anons like to point out is Sonic's waterfall. Just WERKS with Royale, sorry CRThomosexuals.
Pic Related.
>Royale also has a interlacing option to simulate interlacing game effects. The usual one anons like to point out is Sonic's waterfall.
That has nothing to do with interlacing. Genesis games are progressive scan.
It's called composite signal effects, not interlacing. It's soulful for the games designed for it.
>Muh cumposite
Shut the frick up moron
>1000 dollar 4k OLED can pull the effect of 40 dollar CRT
>Royale
There's many better choices nowadays like the Sony Megatron shader
Sony Megatron shader looks amazing at 4K
Problem is that shaders can't emulate CRT Motion but that's not the fault of the shader
i still have a old big tv in my room
remember when they used to make electronics that last for years and years?
good times
Why isn't there a manufacturer of HDMI CRTs anyways? It feels like it would stick out a lot more than "8K OLED CUM SCREENS FOR $16000"
crts are much more difficult to manufacture. the economies of scale required for it to be profitable is far too high compared to the amount of people who would buy one today.
First have to figure out how an HDMI translates for the static gun in a CRT. I bet there were attempts but the results were abysmal at best otherwise they would still be around like VCR hybrids with DVD/Bluray players.
analog-to-digital conversion and vice versa for video data are braindead simple and done with a single added part to the tv
? sony did it. I have a 1080i HDMI crt right now 36 inch
>HDCRT
lol
hd crts are fine if you use them for the right content.
nah
ok moron
Ok then genius, tell me how an old digital to analog laggy display is better than using a modern display
Did I say it was better you illiterate motherfricker?
I said they're fine for the right content, like 480p shit, and if you really want to, Xbox 360 and ps3
HD crts arent worthless, and you're missing out if you just dismiss them as worthless.
arent there laws now to prevent the making of CRT's?
Yep! You can thank intensive lobbying of the EPA by tech companies for that.
Idiot how are you going to "retro game" on a fricking VGA connection.
I have a DVI-VGA adapter on my PC because I didn't bother getting long enough DVI cable. I guess HL1 and TFC are now considered retro so I "retro game" with VGA.
Oof, dvi sucks to convert to analogue
Better off using DP
NTA why's that? Sounds interesting I would have thought all digital signals would be the same in that regard
did you try stop living in a c**t where everything revolves around trying to scam and take advantage over others?
The solution to this is to stop looking on Craigslist or eBay. Go to some out of the way thrift store or the side of the road on a bulk collection day. You're bound to find one for free. Alternatively, just ask around if anyone has an old TV they could do without. There's plenty of people who didn't bother moving their CRTs because they were way too heavy, so they've just stayed in their homes indefinitely.
This. Thrift stores are the place to go if you're looking for old electronics of any kind. Just read up on what you're buying and make sure it works beforehand.
>go to local thrift store
>sony trinitron
>sticker price says $150
>walk out disgusted with the price
>come back a few days later
>it actually sold
That could happen (if any thrift shop actually accepted CRTs) but naturally demand is supposed to go down as it's satisfied, someone might pay 150$ for a TV in dubious condition, but how many of them are there out there and are they planning on using it or selling it for 300 later? There truly is a bizarre amount of speculators out there nowadays, Sony that monitor their PlayStation's remotely conformed a majority of them sold had not even been launched and scalpers probably managed to actually kill generation 9 indefinitely when any titles sales will be minute.
Worth mentioning that over the past decade, Goodwill got into the habit of putting anything remotely valuable on their online auction site. On top of this, a lot of them will have varying policies regarding CRTs. I've been to locations that took in every single one, others only up to a certain size, and plenty that didn't accept them at all. Even if it's not a Goodwill, it helps to visit the thrift store to get a feel for it firsthand.
Goodwill is just a franchise brand. They are broken up by region, with multiple regions per state usually. Most of them are just going to send CRTs through electronics recycling because they take up too much space to store for e-commerce and they are worthless to almost all of the customers.
I just went to my local thrift store today (50% off holiday sale)and saw a Zenith CRT TV that looks about like pic related being sold for $1.99. If I gave a shit about crts that might have been a good deal.
I bet someone will eventually buy it and resale it online as a "SUPER DUPER CRT RETROGAMING NOSTALIGA TV" for $100.
There's like an entire wing of the local thrift store down the street with CRT television and monitors for ten bucks. If I cared to give a shit I would buy them and flip them for a hundred bucks.
No you couldn't troony, stop lying
most thrift stores dont even bother with crts anymore
True, they are big and heavy.
I will not stop tricking gullible zoomers
>wanting a 50 pound box
your mind on nostalgia
>not having room in your home for a 50 pound box
your mind on poorgay
Who fricking cares how heavy it is?
How often are you moving your fricking TV after you place it?
Normalgays are so fricking moronic holy shit.
Willing to put up with an objectively inferior product because it weighs 5 less pounds.
I dunno, are we talking about the ones the size of a minifridge or the comically oversized ones that look like they should dropped on willey coyetes head? Because both are a pain in the ass if you want to move them to the opposite side of the room and you're breaking bones if you clumsy.
WHO IN THE FRICK IS BUYING OLD CRTS FOR MORE THAN TWENTY BUCKS WHAT THE FRICK
>LED TVs are in
>CRTs being thrown out left and right because lol the future
>Now they're rare because there's not a whole lot left and there's just about none being made
are crt tvs worth a lot now?
my family's way too lazy to throw shit away so we have a closet full of them
Only if you have one that was already above average to begin with. Despite what OPs picture shows none of these hipsters want the bottom of the barrel CRTs, they want the names they can jerk each other off with in their echo chamber. Which will mostly be sony and toshiba.
>tfw magnavox family
Only certain types. It isn't likely someone will shell out anything for a late 80's one. PC CRT monitors apparently have gotten a lot more rare compared to their television counter part. Most people go for the Sony Triniton monitor so they are the ones that fetch a price.
I literally just use a family hand me down.
rgb crt monitors are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_tide
I bought a CRT at GoodWill for $20 a few months ago.
I currently have 14 crts. I love them all. Although when i have to move, i might actually kill myself. PC crts are getting really hard to find though. the only one i ever paid any real money for was my 1953m at 500 buckaroos. the rest i either got for free or ~20$
paid $200 for a 14 inch PVM but got a 14 inch consumer set and an 18 inch or whatever monitor for free so im not too miffed about the 200 i spent. also, the PVM has near perfect geometry and literally every PVM sold on ebay after i bought mine was more expensive than what i paid so i think im fine
Thats how i feel about the 1953md, its killer/ Sharp as frick image, geometry is not perfect but unless im autistically looking for it while playing or watching something. I never am going to notice it and the tube is fricking bright like it barely has any hours on it. its near impossible to find one for less than 1k. especially with this one being the higher TVL count. id love to have its 14" little brother but, same thing. theyre just hard to come by for a reasonable price and i dont have the social skills to be able to convince hospitals to give me old medical equipment.
Also those little 9" ones are super fun and make for good conversation at parties. Ive taken my PS2 and the jvc to a couple and its always a hit.
id love to have one of those super long 9" tvs just for the novelty of it. hell, i would have them sit on my desk anyways, maybe that would be close enough to my face to actually use them comfortably.
also, this is my 14M2E playing mario picross with a SNES mouse. its horrible to play with because the mouse sensitivity is so low you have to move the width of the mouse itself to move a single square on screen. its fine for long lines but short ones are a pain and id rather just play with the pad. just in case anyone was looking for a brief review of the SNES mouse on one of the only other titles aside from mario paint that this mouse actually works with
>An actual review of game technology on Ganker
You're doing God's work, Anon.
Is there anyone still making crts?
No 99.99% of people have no use for them. Plus malfunctioning costs of "outdated" hardware and the price to ship it makes it not worth it.
Tubes are still made, and that's all you usually need to fix a CRT.
There /are/ some chink manufacturers using NOS but you have to buy them by the pallet and the tubes in them are very low quality in the first place. CRTs will never truly be made again.
I like to collect them and do a bunch of different stuff with them. I dont really care about the higher end stuff even though if i can get them for a good price, ill pick em up. I just pick out what looks aesthetically appealing to me. I am tired of this flat black panel world we live in.
Technically no, but the manufacturing of parts is extremely cheap and they profit by selling them in 3rd worlds that still actively use CRTs.
>they profit by selling them in 3rd worlds that still actively use CRTs.
CRTs aren't in use even in third world countries anymore. That was true 20-10 years ago but the price of LCD screens are so low right now that even buying parts for CRT repair is more expensive than just buying a new $20 LCD screen.
Yes. You can still buy them in China.
CRTrannies might just be worse than Linux troons
Mindless consumerism
How is linux "mindless consumerism"?
It's free, it's extremely modular, it's better than windows in other every possible metric but the immediate accessibility.
Once 11 becomes mandatory , it's Linux and no going back, 10 was already a bitter bullet to bite.
I'm an arch (home) and debian (server) user but what you said has always been said
>Once 11 becomes mandatory , it's Linux and no going back, 10 was already a bitter bullet to bite.
It used to be Windows XP to Windows Vista. Then Windows 7 to Windows 8. Then windows 8.1 to windows 10.
Now it's windows 10 to windows 11. In 10 years time you're going to hear the same thing about windows 11 to windows 12.
Not even comparable
I used ME and 95 when I didn't know much of computers, 98 felt like an upgrade and XP felt the best. Vista was buggy and shitty but the Aero UI was sleek to use, I still stuck with XP, Windows 7 felt like Vista perfected and it was the best windows that I used for the longest part of my life, I never acknowledged any other OS after 7, didn't even know of 8's existence until 10.
What forced me to install 10 was a new motherboard, I had windows 7 installation on a flash drive, but when trying to install it, my mouse cursor or keyboard wouldn't work during the installation because they were connected through USB, I tried modifications to the installer but nothing worked. If I had keyboard and mouse with PS/2 connectors, those would've done the trick, but I'd gotten rid of any and all old keyboards and mice I had and trying to buy one from stores was nigh impossible.
So I made a 10 install on my flash drive and bit the bullet. Im using Classic Shell to imitate 7's interface, W10 privacy and Blackbird, trying to scrub the OS from any and all hazards that make it shitty.
Been working fine for couple of year now, for whatever reason, my computer needs a restart every now and then or the performance starts to tank, never had this with 7.
But yeah, I'm never installing 11. Vista was an oversight but other than that, every other windows version has been stellar except for 8, 10 and 11.
Just switch to linux already, everything else is just a cope until you're forced by a new motherboard to again upgrade to windows 11 and then 12 and then 13.
can I play sea of thieves on linux?
Yes. You can play all games on linux except a handful of titles that explicitly designed it to restrict linux users from playing it (Like Fortnite) citing "hacking" concerns. Like all linux users are some sort of hacker thieves that just want to cheat in every game out there or something.
Sea of thieves isn't in that list and can be played on linux.
nah vista was worse than 7 and 8 worse than 10
xp>7>10>=vista>8>11
Anyone knows if that's a kind of market that's still alive in Japan, you know, like older video games?
Not sure if the resale market is as widespread in Japan, because the steps you need to take to dispose of a CRT is a lot more effort than in the US IIRC. Hence most people kept their CRTs. On the flipside, Australia gave its citizens a check during the 2008 recession, which were overwhelmingly spent on new TVs that prompted most people to get rid of their CRTs.
I can't even get a super nintendo. Frick hoarders and resellers
>Mom found a perfectly fine snes with cables and 2 controllers and 2 games in the attic of her house
>Bought a dinky 13" crt for $20 and it has a vcr built in
Why are orange cats so stupid
you can take mine, it has SMW, Clay Fighters, Super Baseball 3.000 and pic related
It's going to cost more due to scarcity and demand and inflation moron, no ones making more either
I honestly wouldn't care about CRTs if they just kept analog inputs on HDTVs and gave them a good upscaler. Literally the only way to directly connect an old console to a brand new tv is through the fricking RF input and I wont be surprised if they start getting rid of that on new TVs too.
99 percent of crt tvs and monitors are hot liquid trash. There are like 2 or 3 monitors that were good. Dell p991, multisync ect. And they cost several thousand new and go for several thousand now.
>99 percent of crt tvs and monitors are hot liquid trash. There are like 2 or 3 monitors that were good
Damn. Just like lcds. I guess some things never change.
moron that doesn't know what he's talking about
lol OP is actually right. I gave away 2 of mine last month. Didn't realize I could have gotten a few hundred off of them.
now pay attention to how long those listings sit there. (almost) Nobody is paying hundreds for regular black box crts unless theyre very specific models. and even then you have to find the right guy.
I tried to check post dates but FB doesn't seem to share that info anymore. Interesting.
Mine still shows the listings age right under the price if I fullscreen that item.
I thought I did fullscreen them.
Yeh idk what to tell you my dude, mine are there but I'm also not in the dark mode so maybe that hides it? Even looking at out of state stuff I see '4 weeks ago in ...'
Yeah that's probably the reason.
this, never just go on ebay and look at the first couple prices assuming thats what they go for. check for sold listings and make an average to get the real price. theres tons of people insisting on overcharging their stuff and never going down with the price and if the action or whatever ends and their desired price isnt met they just cancel and put it back in for the same price, hoping someday some idiot actually pays up
If it isn't the consequences of your own actions. You opened yourself to being exploited exactly like the audiophiles.
>not a Sony
No thanks, stop ruining my home's aesthetics.
The 2X30 monitors look cool as hell but they're all from like 1985. The tubes arent in great shape. The few I've bought were from a studio though, so at least they were regularly serviced. One even had some caps replaced.
Top is better
sold a bvm-d20f1u for $2k last week. Couldn't sell the other 2 but still doing okay.
it hurts that the bvms/pvms were trashed by the pallet because nobody cared about them. now you have people paying 2k for them when there was a time you couldnt give them away. I am
and i just cant really care for paying that much for them except that one that i have because that was my grail set. And for watching movies/playing older games i prefer this one hitachi that i have. The image is softer and generally feels more "right". i just dont understand the need to chase these super crisp scanlines over component when the softness of coax/s-video was how 99% of people viewed their stuff growing up.
>trashed by the pallet
Not sure if you're grabbing that from an anecdote I told in a different thread but I have personally sent a pallet load of various production monitors off to the e-cycling camps while working at a rental house. The last dozen or so I picked up were about as cheap as Ive ever gotten em. The bvm-d20f1u(s) were $75 each, except for 2 that were marked nfg, those were $25 each. Sold the broken ones for $300 each I think. One, coincidentally, to some anon who was later asking how to fix them in /crt/. Asian kid with a "strictly business" sticker on his shitbox.
I just need a PSX to complete the look
>mfw mommy is a coalburning bawd dating a Black who used to work for WGN and he drove 2 hours just to deliver 2 PVMs to my house because he heard I'm into retro video games
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!
>my mfw when my very first MOOOOOOOT post ever!
UNGH UNGH UNGH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK BROS IM GONNA BIPOLAR
What's a moot post? It's okay you can just tell me.
>
KNUCKLES IS GAY
NO HE'S NOT HE LOVES SONIA
BITCH
be nice to your mom's boyfriend I guess guess what it could be worse
I got 2 for a few bucks
Ones a 20” PVM and the others a 28” consumer, both do RGB and I have every old console hooked up to them with flash carts and ODE’s, I also have my 360 connected up to them to stream movies and DVDs to them, it’s great
sony broadcast monitors are the only ones that are worth paying an exorbitant fee for.
Ikegami, panasonic, and jvc are perfectly fine.
>copyright 1992
dude what
Zelda 1 got a rerelease on cartridge in 1992 (The original version was a FDS game) so naturally they updated the copyright.
A few other FDS games got rereleases like that. It's a little hard to find info on them though because google is moronic.
Crt was a solved technology towards the end. Any late stage crt should look about as good as any other
Nah
Retro Vintage Rare 50LBS Of Pussy & Ass Gaming CRT TV w/ Remote $300 Firm Pick Up Only
physical nfts
is it actually worth using a CRT for old games though? CRT look like ass
yes. go get the shittiest crt you can find and whatever flat panel you have laying around and marvel at the sheer difference
yeh this is a lie. I wanted a TV for my room when I was 14. I'd settle for the smallest, any size would do. A 12 inch with vhs cost $70.
I ended up getting it by selling popcorn in the boyscouts.
>mfw i own a big crt and I didn't have to spend a single penny
>mfw I've made at least $5k by flipping crts
CRTs are overhyped
Small early flatscreens are where its at
you get that nice comfy feel for retro games and a little bit of modern technology
Retro games look and run like shit on LCD TVs, espoecially the cheap small ones that tend to have multiple frames worth of lag
use an upscaler lol
Old cheap LCDs are still going to have bad pixel response times and horrible input lag. They also will flip out when given non-standard resolutions.
Also if you play a game that switches between resolutions (like many RPGs on the PS1 did) then it can literally just become unplayable.
Being contrarian doesn’t make you interesting
The benefit of using a CRT for standard def content is obvious when you have one
>Small early flatscreens
Those are probably the worst possible option you could pick. Some consoles don't even work on them because they do weird refresh rates like 61hz on the SNES
Does anyone have this one picture of some onion boy crouched in front of a tiny 10 inch pvm playing melee on it just like the developpers intended
lol no.
some people are willing to buy old shit for high price, let them.
you are the same, except you don't have money, so deal with it.
i mean, if you don't have the money, do you even have the space to have one of these old tv? and what are you going to play?
if you don't have an old tv, maybe you don't the old console either(snes, nes megadrive,psx)
then you don't have the games to play, and if you are complaining about high price on some old tv, go and watch the price of good old games.
you are going to get diarrhea.
ok homosexual, I post this on every single one of these threads. First off stop searching for "CRT" because anyone who knows what a CRT probably knows that there's a market for it. Instead search for "old TV" or "tube TV" or other terms literal boomers used for the TV. There you'll find the normies cleaning out their dead grandma's house who are clueless
I grew a tinnitus as a child from the whine/buzz CRT TV's had
That's not tinnitus you're possessed by the demon that was making the EVPs. It was a common gamer affliction in the 90s
shit dude someone should've told me sooner in my life
so that's the stupid ass shadow man in my house I keep seeing at night
Tinnitus comes from damage to the inner ear
15khz whine can not do that
I know I know
it's just that the whine sounds exactly like a crt
I remember it being worse than it actually is
Shit man me too. I remember lying in bed and knowing my mom was still up watching tv by the whining sound that I heard. This was always true until one day my mom was asleep and I was still hearing the damn noise. Spooked the frick out of me
>looking for a CRT for literally months
>none going cheap
>nobody I ask has one lying around for me to take off their hands
>eventually cave and pay israelite fees for USED VINTAGE RETRO GAMER TV **L@@K**
>walking to work like 1 week later
>someone threw theirs out on the pavement by their house
life is a meme sometimes
Just take the chink handheld pill
Retro games look better on a 1 inch screen than they ever did on a crt
I do like my Retroid Pocket 2+
nah, good for handheld games though
The last few CRT's I've owned all had issues. crooked picture, corners peeling up, and purple tinted screen.
just shader it
You made it look like an indie game
With Mister, OSSC and my GBS-C I have completely rid myself of any need for a CRT for games.
All I need is a decent 1080p or 1440p monitor and I'm set with all of my hardware.
enjoy your input lag
Shut the frick you dumb CRtroony
The last dude I sold a bvm to showed up with a mister to test the monitor. I hadn't ever seen one before, it was neat. I was a bit confused though, I thought the entire point was to play retro on modern tvs
The point of a Mister is to get accuracy and lag free games without using real hardware
Ah okay. I'm a real hardware autist so never looked into it
If you want real hardware it’s probably the next best thing
Especially if you want authenticity on arcade games without buying PCB’s
That's moronic, doubly so if that's your pic and you went with Analog IO without needing it.
You'd think so, but the project lead and his cronies are autists and strongly oppose analog output simply because they don't use it.
Every time I see one of these I ream the person in messages and make them feel stupid af. If the listing stays up for a while and keep messaging them every few days or so making fun of them.
just go to goodwill bro
maybe if it was 5 years ago
go to an actual poorgay area
>Go play bowling
>See a tekken 3 arcade cabinet
>"Why not"
>Play a match or two
>Eyes started to hurt real fricking bad
Is this a normal experience with CRTs?
nah, this is a person with bad eye genetics sort of experience
Electrical repairs guy here. Please stop buying CRTs I'm begging you. The uptick in people bringing tube tvs into my store these past 2 years has been an ongoing headache. Everyone wants them fixed, nobody realises how much they cost to fix, everybody gets mad when you quote them a price in the hundreds that just barely covers the cost of components if they're even still in manufacture. "Mate are you joking it's like 30 years old". Get it out of my fricking shop then idiot.
stop lying, recapping them is cheap and easy, which is the main problem with them
No. You wanna be a homosexual bandwagoner who is only hoping on the retro train cause some youtuber told you then you're paying the late comer fee.
We need to stop letting neckbeards gatekeep the second-hand market.
Godzilla on PS4 is way better than dipshit reviewers claimed it was. Perfect Godzilla sim and it's hypocritical of people to whine about taking two minutes to destroy a generator in a level before fighting some monsters when they're totally happy with climbing 100 Ubisoft towers for 50 hours.
>he doesnt own kino
Don't worry, I do own it.
>no offline multiplayer
>destroying refineries: the game
Maybe Too Human is $2 because the game is literally free on the Xbox store.
do people actually pay for CRTs? I'm a huge VRhead and I just get them all for free on Facebook Marketplace from boomers trying to throw them out but can't move them.
depends where you live and how many boomers "know what they have"
Depends where you are really. higher population areas are going to have a lot more free CRTs than flyover country. Personally most CRTs I find around where I am are always around 20-50$ unless whoever's selling it is an idiot.
i literally live in kansas and picked it up from some lady who lived on a farm, it even had component input
I've paid twice, 20 dollars for a CRT monitor that still gets use to this day thanks to retroarch and 90s PC games, the other is a 15 dollar TV I came across on facebook too, I would honestly only pay more than that at this point for either one of those stupid big 16:10 monitors or the ones that reach like 1600p resolution but that was never the most common consumer hardware in the first place so it makes sense they're expensive even today. The bullshit in OPs picture is unfortunately still real but super easy to avoid if you actually want one.
>buying a hunk of junk for le retro gaming
thank god im not an autistic homosexual, and can just enjoy emulation
>wanting to prove your ownership over abandonware
consoomer moment
Where were we talking about that?
moron, make a facebook account and check the marketplace. Boomers will give them away for free there.
Anyone own an adapter that's good with 240p resolution? All my converters don't recognize frequencies that low
i'm willing to sell an old crt i have that some old man i used to work with gave me for 20, it doesn't have a remote or anything tho
hell, i'd probably even give it away for free, you go find your own remote, i just want to be rid of it
i don't even know if it works, it has been sitting in my car for years
ShaderGlass works on any emulator.
Does this work on vlc?
Yes since it just covers the entire desktop and you can click-through it as if it wasn't there, I can't take snapshot of the app or even screen record it but it doesn't allow me to take a screenshot internally. Just can't use Print Screen or OBS.
Hundreds of shaders and options built in.
>but it does* allow me
here's a terrible phone pic.
Thanks! I have been trying to find a program like that for a long time.
>pixels and dithering still entirely visible
What's even the point then?
that's a github example, you can use blurrier crt filters if you like them.
>you can use blurrier crt filters if you like them
You have just now told you you dont understand the entire point of playing old games on a crt.
goddamn i had a stroke. blurry ≠ what a crt is trying to do.
>CRT display
>tfw you lnly have a CBT display
It's painful bros...
Nobody called them crt tv's in the 90s they were just called tv's
they called them tube TV's first, but the point is there's way more different types of TV's now so your post is pointless
they are worse for those systems than modern TV's, you get all of the lag and none of the benefits of a CRT
>none of the benefits of a CRT
lol
correct
That's quite a lot of money, but it's 4 TVs, two modded consoles, and a shit ton of accessories that I'm not sure what they do.
That's looks like a kid's wet dream from the 90's.
>4 screens
>4 players
most hd sets have very minimal lag on the 1080i output settngs, especially sony sets
they only have noticeable lag on 240p
they are the same as early LCD's and they don't do 240p well at all
I didn't say they did 240p well, you gotta stop doing this to yourself guy.
emulatorgays can't compete
eventually the demand for crt style tvs will mean someone will make them again even if not this decade.
no, they won't
this has been discussed to death on /vr/
it's not happening
It was amazing how quick they shoved CRTs out. At the end the only CRTs I saw were in the bargain bin like a bunch of those small and cheap DVD + CRT combos
Nah it's the same. I had a record player growing up but my generation was all about having a record collection. Luckily a good turntable isn't as hard to come by as a crt.
>Friend's brother has a bunch of oldish games, just gives a couple to me a few years back
>His sleazy car salesman friend gets in his ear about how much they're "worth" on ebay
>At best he gives me a slight discount on the last sold listing of it
>He's just sitting on fricking TWO copies of Pokemon Emerald which apparently he would have just given to me even a year ago
I mean I'm not expecting that shit for free but frick me the ebay market is cancer.
Just use a old plasma tv it's better bigger and has more connection ports. I have one myself and it's really good. Got it for a decent price too
Plasma is the worst for video games because of burn in
worse than even OLED
that being said if you do go that route, I advise getting a Panasonic
Burn in on plasma is mostly reversible so it's much better than OLED in that regard
Plasma sucks because they are low res and need lots of power. Most of them even have fans on the inside because they get so warm. And they are fragile when moved, you can damage them just by not keeping them upright
>Burn in on plasma is mostly reversible
you're confusing image retention and burn in there
You're right, but real burn in should not happen if you're not playing the same game all the time
OLED on the other hand degrades no matter what you do and the degradation adds up over time, the manufacturers dont expect you to use them for more than 2-3 years
I'm sorry but that's just not true at all, especially if you play 4:3 content on a plasma, it doesn't take long at all for the burn in to become obvious
I have owned both and I can tell you right now that Plasma is the absolute worst type of display for static displays
any good CRT filters for MPV or VLC for old anime?
they're unnecessary really, I regularly watch anime on my tvs and the only thing I really notice is that the picture is noticeably brighter than my modern monitor gets
you can't really replicate it like you can games.
not really
I use a 360 to stream to my big consumer set, really good for old SD anime, watching the original Berserk anime right now
do you use plex or kodi or something?
or i guess windows media center? currently I'm using a ps3 with component cables but it doesn't always want to cooperate with me.
I use universal media server, it just works
I also don't recommend the PS3 because of "Cinavia" which I remember back in the day as it cuts audio in some things you watch for copy protection
The PS3 was the perfect media device until they implemented that shit. That was when I started just using my PC in the living room and haven't looked back.
Yeah, I just use UMS to stream all my stuff to every TV I use, works with 4k HDR stuff as well as SD stuff to my CRT
it just werks
I use movian and my main issue is it not recognizing my subs or audio tracks properly because im moronic
I dunno but UMS transcodes the videos with your choice of codec and subs/audio tracks
the shader glass thing mentioned earlier in this thread
idk if it is any good I haven't tried it yet
that is to say i use movian and UMS. I'm probably just too moronic to configure it properly
what's movian?
just enable the transcode setting on UMS and it allows you to choose the codec between Mencoder and FFMPEG
bought a triniton from some old IBM dork on craigslist who wanted to get rid of it because it was taking up space
we talked about neogeo for 40 minutes and i got it for 70 bucks.
got the snes and Dreamcast hooked up to it. lately i've been going in there to attend to my aerobiz save
Pictures?
I picked up a CRT off a neighbour years ago and when I tried it out it produced these loud popping noises once every 15 or so minutes when I tried to run some F-Zero GX on it. Scared the shit out of me and I tossed it - shame because it was a sexy model and the casing had little wear
Wondering if anyone knows anything about that or if I cucked myself out of a good CRT
sounds like the flyback was arcing. Its fixable but if you arent competent with electronics you really have no business messing around in the back of one in the first place.
I remember having to turn on my TV 30 minutes in advance before I wanted to play the PS1 because it took forever to start for some reason.
Capacitors probably needed changing
>boomers
>gen-Xers
>millennials
>zoomers
So who are the most cucked generation?
You, for caring what anyone else thinks
It's a toss up between zoomers or millenials
boomers. When they were younger they acted exactly like what they accuse younger people to be like. Absolute hypocrites who cheated the system to only benefit themselves.
>>gen-Xers
How could you forget Black folk?
>who are the most cucked generation?
Zoomers, of course.
The cutoff is 1998 though.
>homie those are generations not races. you are obsessed
I hate that shirty YouTube's have basically spent tens of thousands of dollars on stupid stuff you can find on eBay, and now everyone prices things at that point.
I now understand the appeal of this hunk's shop
Okabe called Mr Tennouji "Mr Braun" because CRTs are often referred to as "Braun tubes" in Japan, after the inventor of the CRT, German physicist Ferdinand Braun.
**The More You Know**
>crt
>crt display
It's a fricking TV
Nothing else is called a television, what are you going to mistake it for an LED minitor?
but it's not a TV anon
There are already experimental CRT kits coming out, they just require 4K or 8K scalers to perfectly emulate the CRT electrode gun, so there is no need to ever buy CRTs ever again when that is a possibility.
>perfectly emulate the CRT electrode gun
how does it make light guns work
>rare and scarce items can have demand
Wow. What kind of sick world do we live in?
supply and demand
I'm buying CRTs at top price to purposely drive up the value
That’s not how it works moron
That's normal though
Is there a significant difference between flat-screen CRTs as opposed to the regular curved screens?
Someone in my city is selling a 32" Trinitron for $15, but I already have a 32" Wega (which is just the flat-screen version of the Trinitron).
Yes and no
Usually geometry is worse on flat screens but they are still really good, sometimes light guns don’t work on them but I think that’s more related to HDCRTs
So yeah, definitely get it if you want one, just make sure it’s not a HD variant
>be in high school in early 2000's
>we had a storage room filled to the ceiling with 80/90's mechanical IBM keyboards
>they now sell for $200
>same price
How much money can I make off these? I have a CRT monitor and 2 TVs.
not much unless you have a professional or broadcast monitor
I bought a trinitron craigslist for 10$ from an old guy, sold it 100$ to some basedboy by adding pictured of SF2 and SMW running on it
Ban morons from buying 20 of them to decorate their DUDE RETRO LMAO podcast sets. In fact ban podcasts altogether. Nothing of value is ever said on them anyway. All pedantic bullshit.
1999
mass produced good
2022
good that is no longer produced
it was traded for cheaper, easily mass produced and more packed in shipping
but hey, at least they're not bulky any more
How autistic do you need to be to think CRTs were superior to LCD, and especially modern screens?
Either you are stubborn boomers who hate change, nostalgiagays or “born in the wrong generation” gays
I still remember the eyestrain that was computer monitors and the shitty blurry mess that was crt tvs
Imagine seeing these memes and now actually wanting to buy inferior technology
Again, they are superior for standard definition content
Consoles from 1st to 6th gen used CRT's in mind for their graphics
DVD's and SD content before mid 2000's were designed with CRT's in mind so they genuinely look better for all of your old stuff, they do better blacks and they have better motion clarity, all while also having less lag
If you want to play retro vidya, do yourself a favour and find a cheap CRT to use
In my family we still have CRTs till the early 2010s, I hated that blurry shit, no clue why people have nostalgia over it
*had
get a better connection then
Modern technology like CRT royale actually emulate how photons get scattered by phosphor in CRT electron guns.
It needs a REALLY powerful GPU to get realistic effects that are indistinguishable from CRTs right now (The one with the RTX3090 is where you can't see the difference anymore).
Sure NOW that means CRT looking games on a LCD is out of most people's reach. But as technology gets better it becomes trivial for GPUs eventually to emulate this phosphor effect and have the exact same feel and look as a real CRT for pixel games.
I personally sold my trinitron after getting a RTX3090 during the pandemic. There's just no reason to own a CRT anymore.
they look OK, but I don't think they'll ever really look the same
I'm telling you straight up it looks identical on a 4K OLED screen compared to a high-end CRT like a trinitron (I had both at the same time and compared them, even had my buddies do a blind test where they had to guess based on images which was which, they guessed wrong)
they're not, especially when trying to make it look composite or play any interlaced content
I disagree and actually think it works best with composite signal simulation S-Video works amazing as well. RGB is kinda lacking if you're playing REALLY old hardware (late 1970s or pre-NES obscure consoles)
I'm sorry but either you don't remember what they look like or you've never seen a good CRT
Didn't you read my post? I had a Sony Trinitron (Sells on ebay for thousands of USD) hooked up next to my 4K OLED display with CRT Royale to see the difference and couldn't see it. I even had fellow retro enthusiast friends do blind tests where they had to figure out which picture was which screen and they guessed wrong.
I'm not some nostalgia guy playing retro games from time to time. I'm an enthusiast that fixes CRTs and resells them myself.
Look, I can tell you right now that an OLED is going to show up well in a picture and you don't know how to photograph a CRT well
I'm going to say the Trinitron was dull looking as well on your picture
You HAVE to be a reseller to have this much stake in CRTs being superior.
Either that or you never watched it on a 4K OLED screen. It needs to be OLED because of the black levels and it needs to be at 4K because it's exactly 9x the resolution of these retro games.
I have both, the motion clarity matters and a native 240p will always look better than a 9x integer image
I don't really care what your friends think, I used filters on a 4K OLED until I bought a nice old 28" set
now I only use with all real hardware from 3rd to 6th gen but flash carts and ODE's there's just no comparison
>filters
It's a CRT emulator not a filter it calculates the exact way light would be scattered by phosphor in CRTs, there's a reason you need a top of the line PC to render it correctly. Filters are trash. CRT emulation is indistinguishable from real CRTs in 2022.
OK, you have no Idea what you're talking about
$20 in 1999 is $200 now thanks to Putin’s price hike
>1989
>dell crt is new and 5 people have them
>costs a lot
>people buy them to be on the top end
>1999
>dell crt is 10 years old and 5000000 people have them
>cheap
>people buy them because they can only afford them
>2009
>dell crt is 20 years old and hopelessly obsolete
>not even goodwill will take them off your hands
>worthless, get tossed out
>2019
>dell crt is 30 years old and 5 people still have them
>supply outstrips demand by virtue of supply plummeting to zero
>retro gaming nostalgia crt *rare!* 150$
Just stick a scanline filter over your old emulated games
Got my 2070sb and fv310 years ago, both in great shape and still are. Sucks for anyone wan2to get into this.