It's 889€ and I plan to use it for UE5 game development. Should I wait for 4xxx series?
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Talk me out of getting the 12GB Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming OC LHR GDDR6X
It's 889€ and I plan to use it for UE5 game development. Should I wait for 4xxx series?
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I think a strong CPU is more important than a fancy GPU, especially if you are just starting out. Do benchmark stuff and high end graphics later.
True, I'm waiting for AM5 to drop so I can buy atleast a 16 core CPU.
If you need a GPU, sure.
Im wanting to talk you out of a GIGABYTE model. Their coolers can and will cause spacing issues with multiple GPU configerations. Try and get one with a smaller cooler, or better yet an NVIDIA model.
Smaller coolers do come with drawbacks of their own of course, but keep that in mind if you think there is any chance of you wanting a multi GPU system.
I second anon. Defiantly make sure your CPU is strong before grabbing a GPU.
If you are wanting a 3000 series GPU, now is the time to buy before 4000 series comes out.... eventually.
I will add finally as a note: Don't buy top of the line gear for hobbyist work. I have revived that advice and ignored it myself, take it from me, if it gets to the point where you need high end gear, you should already have a great and stable cashflow from that project(s).
Converted to American dollars that's $900 before taxes and etc and I feel that is still strongly overpriced. UE5 development isn't mainstream yet for hobby/indie use, if you're using it for work your employer should be paying for a 3090 not yourself.
Hobby use for now
I never said I'm making only RTX games, calm down
Not worth it
I asked some other ue devs and they said kinda the same thing but also it's good this way because it forces the devs to use with what they have and optimize the code for better performance.
What GPU companies should I look for? EVGA? I'm also waiting for AM5 to unveil so I can get a 16 corr CPU. Gaming is my passion since I was a kid and I still game so even if I don't make big bucks from game dev I can enjoy other games. My work is in a different field (CAD) so I don't feel mentally drained alfter work for some
game dev brainstorming
>optimize the code for better performance
Quadros aren't significantly more performant. They just are better for development. The hardware you use to develop a game will always be better than what you can achieve for when the game is built.
>but also it's good this way because it forces the devs to use with what they have and optimize the code for better performance.
It doesn't actually, what a very weird post is this some sort of cope? Having inferior hardware means your workflow is slower meaning it takes you longer to create what you want or worse it destroys what you're aiming for if your client is constantly crashing from out of memory errors.
I am very happy with EVGA. You may want to look around to see if any other company has better offerings for your needs.
>I'm also waiting for AM5 to unveil so I can get a 16 corr CPU
Wrong. AM5 will be unstable for a non-insignificant amount of time after production is in full swing. You should still stick with AM4 for the time being if you want a AMD CPU. AM4 will suffice for the next 2-3 years easily. If something happens with your ability/drive to work on your project you'll be glad you didn't splurge on cutting edge new hardware that you wont end up using to its full potential.
>Having inferior hardware means your workflow is slower
Very correct. The process of creating a game is much different than the act of playing the game. You dont see Pixar rendering Toy Story on a Macbook.
Point is: You should not build a monster production rig for hobbyist work, but you should build one that would allow for easy upgrade ability as your workflow demands it.
>You dont see Pixar rendering Toy Story on a Macbook.
That comparison is a bit off, yes you don't render CGI movies on a laptop, and you probably have a build farm for big software projects. But I've seen some indie devs on the twitters work on gaemen laptops, like the Last Man Sitting game guy. Not sure what he's using today. But to get an idea of a game done, and to start programming UE you certainly don't need the highest top of the line hardware.
Hmm yea makes more sense to say I need to make a game for graphic cards with 8GB in mind, and not actually making them with 8GB. Dammit I know you're right but I was really looking forward to new tech (AM5, DDR5, etc). Ok I'm getting Ryzen 9 5950x and Noctua black air cooler, what RAM Hz and timing should I get? 64GB at least, preferably 2 sticks. For graphics I think I'll go with 3080 12GB for now, budget reasons.
Wait for RTX 40 series
If your game isn't made specifically for low end, low power systems, it's shit.
Frick your power-wasting overpriced garbage that adds literally nothing to gaming.
>if your game isn't black and white in the style of Pong, it's modernist normie bullshite
You should get an RTX 3080 Ti.
12GB of VRAM will quickly hit a bottleneck if you do any sort of UE5 tier development. At that type of scale you need workstation tier stuff like Quadros or 24GB GPUs like the 3090.
For raytracing and shiiiiiiiet?
If not, get a 6900 xt...they may develop something similar but i think it`s unlikely
For creation work I would always recommend NVIDIA. I would only ever recommend AMD GPUs for use in gaming as their primary focus.
Some programs (Blender as an example) make fantastic use of the RTX cores and provide Unreal™ performance compared to AMD cards when rendering (at least on the cycles engine).
I have no clue if Unreal Engine takes any advantage of RTX cores, but something to think about.
yes, Unreal can use RTX.
AMD also has a hardware-accelerated ray tracing solution, but at least the current version is very slow. dunno if Blender even uses it though, at least back in the day they had a separate CUDA pipeline.
The thing you got to keep in mind is that some render engines don't support AMD gpu's because they are solely focused on the cuda cores.
Redshift for instance has no AMD gpu support (they've been saying soon for years now but we all know it will never happen)
>solely focused on the cuda cores
CUDA is a software layer. it's exactly the same as standard shaders with vendor lock-in and a couple of extra intrinsics (most of which are now in SM6)
Gigabyte is dogshit
Get EVGA or SNSV
Buy stuff for your car instead
Low-end card and LHR. It's like buying a car with three wheels and one of them has no tire
Unless you have no computer and need a gpu right now, wait for the 4000 series.
your mom bought a rtx 40 series and look where she is now
I think these are both pretty realistic scenarios
>if in 3 months you saw that same card going for $500, would you regret buying now
>If a new card launched 3-4 months from now, at that same price and ~25% faster, would you regret buying now
If the answer is no to both, go ahead I guess? Saying "prices are better than last year" doesn't mean anything, it's still a moronic amount of money, especially for 2 year old tech.
If you can wait than the 40XX series is just around the corner supposedly.
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if 40XX would be outrageous in the beginning.
I'd still wait for the 40 series if only for a maybe cheaper 30XX series card.
>I'd still wait for the 40 series if only for a maybe cheaper 30XX series card.
yup, they already have sales going because they know they'll have a shitload of old inventory nobody really wants. the prices will be nice after the 40 launch
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-40-ada-gpus-to-feature-very-large-l2-caches-nvidias-own-infinity-cache
Wait for RTX 40, significantly more L2 cache
rtx 40 will get mogged by RDNA 3 lmfao.
enjoy your housefire
Poorgay cope.
enjoy your propietary cancer and no linux drivers nvidiiot
quite likely in performance per watt, but I'd be surprised if they had the absolute fastest card. RT performance is also a big question mark, I remember someone claiming they had big improvements on that but I'll believe it when I see it
it's not like AMD is any cheaper. easier to mock the drivers if you want an easy target
>Waiting till 2023 to spend 50% more for a 4XXX card that consumes as much power as a space heater.
Wait gays are morons.
the point is that you get older cards cheaper then. and you're not forced to buy the flagship, the lower end options will typically be more power efficient than the previous generation if you want that instead.
yes bro 4060 will cost $3000 and the 4090 $7000 even though the situation now is completely different
it happened last year so why not. ignore what happened the other 25 years of GPU markets that doesnt matter
If you think the MSRP for the 4XXX series will be lower or even on par with the 3XXX series you are a grade A moron.
Manufacturers found out they can make people pay a frickton of money over MSRP for their cards, so they'll just raise MSRP and reduce supply and make their profits with huge margins per card, rather than selling as much as they can at lower margins.
I have a 3080 12GB Aorus Extreme and the gigabyte software is so bad I was considering selling it at a loss and going for an Asus/EVGA.
Power wise the card is a beast, but you can't set a fan curve with more than 3 different RPM stages.
The RGB software(even tho I don't use it since my case has a solid metal panel) is such a piece of shit it interferes with any other RGB software and even when you remove every other RGB software its still not reliable and only works once every few boots.
Overall - hardware is a solid 9/10, but the software is 0/10
This is my issue too, due to lack of stock I was only able to get 2 gigabyte cards 2080 ti for our renderfarm and luckily the thing is running 24 7 now but when it boots it's like a jet engine taking off cause the fans run 100% for 10 seconds or so.
>He didn't wait for RTX 40
NGMI
The 40 series is only going to be 30% better value. Buying high end is moronic and mid range isn't for another year. Waiting a year to save 30% is fine if you're on a budget, but it would be smarter to just not care about any of it at all.
I'm going to give you a market thesis, and like all crap you read on the internets, take with a heavy dose of skepticism, and read up for yourself if the numbers i give you actually check out.
In the last week of September, the most likely cryptocoin to eclipse bitcoin transitions to proof-of-stake. What does that mean? GPU market meltdown. If you use the network hashrate to reverse infer the number of discreet GPUs to mine this single crpto, it comes out to about 25 million units.
And on one rainy day in September, all these GPUs turn overnight from an asset into a liability to be unloaded.
This may seem counter-intuitive, but in the short-term both GPU prices and the underlying crypto asset are going to price spike, as everyone rushes to make the minimum deposit level to make their own bankroll for the transition.
The second-hand market price spiral will happen very quickly in the last week of September, but new cards may not feel the full effect of the dumpening until Christmas.
tl;dr If you don't need a card today, you should probably just wait another 60 days. The dumpening is going to be epic.
Just go with intel a770. No better option rn