I've pitched/told some ideas to multiple people for feed back etc, all told they are pretty good most of the time but I tweak some based on feedback. I usually try not tot ell friends because I dont want any bias in my pitches.
What if its not a game, but you have fully planned out mechanics, created a prototype card/tabe top model representing said mechanics and from testing that you know its a good game idea?
The reason why Japanese games are so good is because they do actually have "idea guys" as a job. Westerners scoff at people who have ideas that's why Western games are soulless garbage made by programmer drones.
its not but I am like OP. I cannot code worth shit but I come up with some good ideas.
everybody has "ideas", having them is not a remarkable skill
but making something of those ideas is work, be it writing or programming or drawing
if you've actually ever *created* something, no matter how simple or shallow, you would know that pleasant dreams in your mind don't come out exactly perfect in harsh material reality
What if you have made a literal design bible for a concept, completely fleshed out a whole game start to finish, detailed map, puzzle designs finished and tested, rough sketches and notes to be used by artists as well as basic "cause>effect" outlines for a programmer of approximately how game systems should function and lets say you have filled up a file cabinet with said design documents that have been worked on for close to 20 years. Is that still just an idea guy territory? Asking for a friend.
Why do you guys keep hyping yourselves up this much?
If you have the patience to make a GDD, you should also have the patience to learn how to program.
""problem"" with design docs is that they are not some magical prescriptive truth, not a bible, but a simple document with a general outline
you're welcome to show it to your programmer/artist/writer, but then try to contain your autistic rage as they pick apart what they like themselves
gotta have guts to kill your darlings or just stash them away for future use
Click on this link: http://gameshelf.jmac.org/2008/11/13/GrimPuzzleDoc_small.pdf
It's the design document for Grim Fandango. Now I don't care what your opinions of Tim Schafer these days are because he's made several more well-beloved games in his time than you have. Look at the document and then remember that TIM CAN WRITE SOFTWARE.
He's got a great quote I can't find right now about idea guys. It's something like "You've got an idea? Great! Why would anyone else produce it for you? Everyone in the industry has a desk drawer full of their own ideas they would prefer to see made."
The point being that if you've invested so much time building cool mechanics, maps, plots, etc. then you should be able to learn a little programming to bring it to life. It's not easy, but it seems like you want to make your shit a reality. You've spent 20 years writing; you can become a halfway decent programmer in a year or two.
people don't "develop" skills moron
they are either born with talent to easily learn something or they aren't and never will learn shit. Where did this myth of "brooo all you have to do is retain knowledge you don't need intrinsic talent or comprehensive understanding of something thanks to genetics bro" come from? Like when did the fundamental rule of innate talent just stop being accepted?
The "no child left behind" generation is so fricked. I'm going to let you in on something thats going to blow your overly coddled, participation trophy recieving mind: Some people just have success built into them. Others don't. Some people are born to fail, suffer, despair, and die, having never accomplished anything despite a lifetime of trying. If you don't feel an artform or craft start to "click" by the two year mark, you quire litterally will never make it. You don't have the genes, brain, muscle control, etc and never will
can learn from this post.
You Black folk aren't even qualified to call yourselves "idea guys".
>just take out a loan and hire people with real skills
this is why the majority of businesses fail. just having a good idea and dumping money into your idea isnt enough to be successful
You know it can't be that hard, look at something like flash games for example, teenagers just sat down and made little games. Starting is the hardest part of it.
>How much harder if I don't wanna use RPGmaker?
If you have literally never made a game you have no reason not to use RPGmaker. Throw out your pride. Plenty of phenomenons have been made on RPGmaker
people don't "develop" skills moron
they are either born with talent to easily learn something or they aren't and never will learn shit. Where did this myth of "brooo all you have to do is retain knowledge you don't need intrinsic talent or comprehensive understanding of something thanks to genetics bro" come from? Like when did the fundamental rule of innate talent just stop being accepted?
The "no child left behind" generation is so fricked. I'm going to let you in on something thats going to blow your overly coddled, participation trophy recieving mind: Some people just have success built into them. Others don't. Some people are born to fail, suffer, despair, and die, having never accomplished anything despite a lifetime of trying. If you don't feel an artform or craft start to "click" by the two year mark, you quire litterally will never make it. You don't have the genes, brain, muscle control, etc and never will
Are you moronic?
You can learn things and develop skills without beint a talented person. You'll always be average, but if you are happy and it pays the bills, who cares?
idea guys don't even make it in life. if I were you I'd just settle for being a neet at your mom's house. otherwise you'll be just another useless wagie
I’m so fricking moronic and autistic that I can’t understand anything about code or even “easy”/ “beginner friendly” engines like renpy, unity or rpg maker, I can’t even make a game of pong following a step by step video, also I can’t draw anything, I thought that maybe I could find a team of artists and programmers to help me but I don’t have any money and it would take years of savings just to get a demo out, next year I’m going to try to enter at a private vidya design/art collage, for now I just need to find a wagie job to maintain myself and save for college
Another art guy here.
We should make our own game.
Was thinking something like a guy goes to a school... for monster people or freaks, we can also add a japanese sounding name to attract eastern and western neets.
We could add more girls and areas of the school/city as DLC instead of making people wait with 0.001b versions like most weggers do.
We could call it, Monster Shoujo or something.
Both.
The plot could be about something that allows you to interact with every girl (if you want to), something like Commander John Shepard but in highschool and with monster, we could have alien girls of course.
You would have all girls at your disposal until you got locked in a route, i know its cheap and not in line with most VNs that lock you early on for a better story/route development. But choices or the illusion of a lot of choices are very important in this ADHD zoomer riddled market.
I've actually had this idea for a while regarding a fanfic.
MC learns martial arts from the various school clubs to defend himself but causes them all to clash over who and what is the absolute strongest, culminating into a massive tournament.
>we can also add a japanese sounding name to attract eastern and western neets. >We could call it, Monster Shoujo or something.
biggu red flaggu for me
I'm writing a book based on the initial premise of WoW Shadowlands.
And before you sneer at me, the premise of >Everyone who has died for the past [X amount of time] has gone directly to hell. Fix it.
Is a pretty good story setup.
Thats cringe and not good. Literally no one gives a shit about nuwow lore because its not canon. Only the Warcraft games were full canon, vanilla wow was mostly canon with a few inconsistencies, and ever since tbc it has been 100% trash fan fiction.
You are writing bad fan fiction about bad fan fiction. No one will care about your book.
You misunderstand.
I'm not actually writing about WoW.
I'm writing about
who has died for the past [X amount of time] has gone directly to hell. Fix it.
And nothing to do with WoW.
Learn to use the Law of Attraction, shit unironically works
https://thelawofattraction.com/what-is-the-law-of-attraction/
T. former ideaguy/musicgay who LoA'd his way into having an actual product without knowing literally anything about programming
>idea guy
this isnt ACTUALLY a thing for game development studios right?
kojima has a job
its not but I am like OP. I cannot code worth shit but I come up with some good ideas.
Just a tip for you guys.
If you've never seen your ideas fully realized as a video game, you can't know whether it's a good idea or not.
I've pitched/told some ideas to multiple people for feed back etc, all told they are pretty good most of the time but I tweak some based on feedback. I usually try not tot ell friends because I dont want any bias in my pitches.
What if its not a game, but you have fully planned out mechanics, created a prototype card/tabe top model representing said mechanics and from testing that you know its a good game idea?
That's a kind of dedication that someone who's "just an ideas guy" would never have.
then just make a card game
Boring. Videogames are brilliant because no other medium like tabletop games can replicate them.
A proof of concept is all you need.
Borrow some music, and some graphics, and you have a decent idea of how a game can turn out.
are you describing a "vertical slice", something that can still take months of work even with an asset store?
No, he is describing a prototype.
A vertical slice is more like a demo of a finished game, meaning it's much further into development.
The reason why Japanese games are so good is because they do actually have "idea guys" as a job. Westerners scoff at people who have ideas that's why Western games are soulless garbage made by programmer drones.
>lead designers are idea guys apparently
everybody has "ideas", having them is not a remarkable skill
but making something of those ideas is work, be it writing or programming or drawing
if you've actually ever *created* something, no matter how simple or shallow, you would know that pleasant dreams in your mind don't come out exactly perfect in harsh material reality
i got hard over the idea of my ascended lich pc from wotr fricking sarenrae
and i got hard when i wrote it
What if you have made a literal design bible for a concept, completely fleshed out a whole game start to finish, detailed map, puzzle designs finished and tested, rough sketches and notes to be used by artists as well as basic "cause>effect" outlines for a programmer of approximately how game systems should function and lets say you have filled up a file cabinet with said design documents that have been worked on for close to 20 years. Is that still just an idea guy territory? Asking for a friend.
Why do you guys keep hyping yourselves up this much?
If you have the patience to make a GDD, you should also have the patience to learn how to program.
Not if you have ADHD. Design documents are just concentrated autism made material, programming requires an actual functioning brain and memory.
""problem"" with design docs is that they are not some magical prescriptive truth, not a bible, but a simple document with a general outline
you're welcome to show it to your programmer/artist/writer, but then try to contain your autistic rage as they pick apart what they like themselves
gotta have guts to kill your darlings or just stash them away for future use
Click on this link: http://gameshelf.jmac.org/2008/11/13/GrimPuzzleDoc_small.pdf
It's the design document for Grim Fandango. Now I don't care what your opinions of Tim Schafer these days are because he's made several more well-beloved games in his time than you have. Look at the document and then remember that TIM CAN WRITE SOFTWARE.
He's got a great quote I can't find right now about idea guys. It's something like "You've got an idea? Great! Why would anyone else produce it for you? Everyone in the industry has a desk drawer full of their own ideas they would prefer to see made."
The point being that if you've invested so much time building cool mechanics, maps, plots, etc. then you should be able to learn a little programming to bring it to life. It's not easy, but it seems like you want to make your shit a reality. You've spent 20 years writing; you can become a halfway decent programmer in a year or two.
wish morons like OP and
can learn from this post.
You Black folk aren't even qualified to call yourselves "idea guys".
Miyamoto is literal Idea Guy King Supreme.
If you mapped out an entire game, start to finish, for a bunch of programmers, animators, model makers, and musicians?
Sure
>writer wanting to get into vidya
my existence is suffering as i see the vapid fricking slop that is shat out today
If you're an ideaguy and you think your idea is good enough to sell then literally just take out a loan and hire people with real skills.
>just take out a loan and hire people with real skills
this is why the majority of businesses fail. just having a good idea and dumping money into your idea isnt enough to be successful
Then hire a marketing guy dumbass
>just hire more people and spend more money bro
inb4 hire an accountant
>t. Afraid to take the first step in realizing their """""DREAM"""""
You know it can't be that hard, look at something like flash games for example, teenagers just sat down and made little games. Starting is the hardest part of it.
How hard is it to make a turn-based RPG?
How much harder if I don't wanna use RPGmaker?
>with rpgmaker
easy, if tedious and somewhat limiting
>without
harder, but offers more freedom
>How much harder if I don't wanna use RPGmaker?
If you have literally never made a game you have no reason not to use RPGmaker. Throw out your pride. Plenty of phenomenons have been made on RPGmaker
Art guy here but NGMI because I don't know where you start to learn coding.
develop a fricking skill you moronic Black person
people don't "develop" skills moron
they are either born with talent to easily learn something or they aren't and never will learn shit. Where did this myth of "brooo all you have to do is retain knowledge you don't need intrinsic talent or comprehensive understanding of something thanks to genetics bro" come from? Like when did the fundamental rule of innate talent just stop being accepted?
The "no child left behind" generation is so fricked. I'm going to let you in on something thats going to blow your overly coddled, participation trophy recieving mind: Some people just have success built into them. Others don't. Some people are born to fail, suffer, despair, and die, having never accomplished anything despite a lifetime of trying. If you don't feel an artform or craft start to "click" by the two year mark, you quire litterally will never make it. You don't have the genes, brain, muscle control, etc and never will
>tfw writer clicked
>no one wants a writer
fuuuuuuuuuck
This is the stupidest thing I've read on this site and I've read some dumb shit.
>types a whole paragraph seething about muh talent
L
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YWNMI
Are you moronic?
You can learn things and develop skills without beint a talented person. You'll always be average, but if you are happy and it pays the bills, who cares?
I sincerely hope for your sake this is a pasta you copy from /ic/ or something
Stop reading shonen manga you dope.
let me guess, you're one of the "geniuses"
idea guys don't even make it in life. if I were you I'd just settle for being a neet at your mom's house. otherwise you'll be just another useless wagie
you have to be literally moronic to want a career in vidya
>had an extremely detailed dream about a game
should I spend a few years learning game dev so I can turn my schizo dream real?
I’m so fricking moronic and autistic that I can’t understand anything about code or even “easy”/ “beginner friendly” engines like renpy, unity or rpg maker, I can’t even make a game of pong following a step by step video, also I can’t draw anything, I thought that maybe I could find a team of artists and programmers to help me but I don’t have any money and it would take years of savings just to get a demo out, next year I’m going to try to enter at a private vidya design/art collage, for now I just need to find a wagie job to maintain myself and save for college
Another art guy here.
We should make our own game.
Was thinking something like a guy goes to a school... for monster people or freaks, we can also add a japanese sounding name to attract eastern and western neets.
We could add more girls and areas of the school/city as DLC instead of making people wait with 0.001b versions like most weggers do.
We could call it, Monster Shoujo or something.
we talking collectaprostitute or an RPG?
Both.
The plot could be about something that allows you to interact with every girl (if you want to), something like Commander John Shepard but in highschool and with monster, we could have alien girls of course.
You would have all girls at your disposal until you got locked in a route, i know its cheap and not in line with most VNs that lock you early on for a better story/route development. But choices or the illusion of a lot of choices are very important in this ADHD zoomer riddled market.
Eh, VNs don't have much for gameplay though.
I've actually had this idea for a while regarding a fanfic.
MC learns martial arts from the various school clubs to defend himself but causes them all to clash over who and what is the absolute strongest, culminating into a massive tournament.
>we can also add a japanese sounding name to attract eastern and western neets.
>We could call it, Monster Shoujo or something.
biggu red flaggu for me
You have to collaborate. The main point of the ideas guy is to socialize and keep people on the same page.
I'm writing a book based on the initial premise of WoW Shadowlands.
And before you sneer at me, the premise of
>Everyone who has died for the past [X amount of time] has gone directly to hell. Fix it.
Is a pretty good story setup.
Thats cringe and not good. Literally no one gives a shit about nuwow lore because its not canon. Only the Warcraft games were full canon, vanilla wow was mostly canon with a few inconsistencies, and ever since tbc it has been 100% trash fan fiction.
You are writing bad fan fiction about bad fan fiction. No one will care about your book.
You misunderstand.
I'm not actually writing about WoW.
I'm writing about
who has died for the past [X amount of time] has gone directly to hell. Fix it.
And nothing to do with WoW.
I understand your confusion, however.
Learn to use the Law of Attraction, shit unironically works
https://thelawofattraction.com/what-is-the-law-of-attraction/
T. former ideaguy/musicgay who LoA'd his way into having an actual product without knowing literally anything about programming
anon, i'm sorry to tell you that you're a fricking shill/drunk on your own kool-aid
might as well have asked DO YOU BELIEVE IN GRAVITY?
i am a "cant focus long enough to make any progress" programmer guy.