>good mechanics
>the game's items have literally thousands of interesting synergies
>almost all characters are unique in their own right
>insane replay value
Will it ever be topped?
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There are a bunch of versions of this game on steam. Which one is the best? What are the differences?
Repentence is arguably the "best" by virtue of being the most complete version
differences are mainly characters and items being added/removed/changed
i think some mechanics change from version to version
don't remember off the top of my head
there's actually only 2 versions, but nicalis peeps are a bunch of incompetent fricks so it gets confusing.
This may come off as contrarian, but I like vanilla rebirth best. I suggest starting with that and only adding the DLCs if you've played the game for hundreds of hours and want more content and difficulty. Note that each DLC has a prerequisite of the previous DLC, but you can add it all as a bundle during a sale down the line.
There's two versions. "The binding of isaac", which has 1 expansion (wrtah of the lamb) and its remake "The binding of isaac rebirth" which has 3 expansion packs which can only be bought in order (afterbirth, afterbirth+, repentance"
Rebirth is the remake with much more things and powers to use on screen
>the game's items have literally thousands of interesting synergies
>340+ different items
>no way to look up what they do in game
>get tiny+rapid fire tears and orbiting tears
>takes 1 min+ to kill a single mega pooper and you have to stand next to it to deal any damage
Woo! Synergy!
filtered?
>>no way to look up what they do in game
Brainlet
does anybody know where to enable the developer console on Linux?
I know it's in an obscure place, I have it on, and I want to disable it again because I want to do dailies and it won't let me as long as the console is still enabled.
nvm, found it.
>/path/to/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/250900/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Documents/My Games
isaac's big advantage is in quantity mostly. i agree the mechanics are good, but only just. as an action roguelite it needs be compared to every other action roguelite in existence. even at the time of its release, the true trailblazer before it (spelunky) was more fun to play imo. and then nuclear throne takes the top down bullet hell thing and makes it more fun. and then dead cells comes out and is the finest roguelite mechanically amongst action lites. isaac has had worthy competition for as long as it has existed.
the other problem for isaac is that, as a game that was part of the vanguard of roguelites, most people have played it and played it a lot, meaning it's pretty easy for most players with some familiarity. the same was true of spelunky of course. how did derek yu solve this problem? he made spelunky 2 harder than spelunky hd by a factor of like, 3 or 4 times. the best possible choice. repentance meanwhile does introduce a more difficult path but it's not hard enough. the mechanics of the game can't support a proper expansion of difficulty to meet the needs of its most seasoned players.
i hunger for a world where gungeon was actually good because mechanically it's straight up superior to isaac. it just needs more everything to take the throne.
what makes isaac work is that the combat is simple, it focuses more on knowledge checks and items than having to be mechanically complex. which is why i agree with your point on spelunky. but games like dead cells quite literally have little to no variance in how you play despite being more mechanically in depth, you pick a weapon, upgrade said weapon, and stack scrolls of the weapon type and that's it, it follows the same traps of other modern roguelites where the game just wants you to grind instead of actually being interesting from run to run. quite literally the only game that have gotten it right since isaac/spelunky is noita.
>but games like dead cells quite literally have little to no variance in how you play despite being more mechanically in depth, you pick a weapon, upgrade said weapon, and stack scrolls of the weapon type and that's it
right, we can describe every game in this kind of manner though. we're describing the meta progression of each given run with dead cells here, but the real joy of dead cells is the game in and of itself separated away from the roguelite progression elements. the core gameplay is more compelling than isaac. i agree isaac has better metaprogression but that's not the first thing that matters about a video game, rather, it's the feeling of moving and combating that matters most and dead cells wins that space.
well i think we just have different ideas of what makes a good roguelike, to me games like dead cells start and end at it's mechanical gameplay, which gets kinda boring in a genre that is meant to be replayed over and over, but games like noita and isaac keep me compelled cause the interactions of the systems despite have super simple gameplay. i don't think the way deadcells and at this point the vast majority of roguelikes does it is bad but they feel like completely different games to something like a spelunky/noita/isaac
I enjoy the game. A year ago I got dead god on all the 3 save files and stopped playing it. I came back a month ago, started a Eden streak and am honestly still enjoying the game as much as back then. I have 4 digit hours on it.
You copied the last two didn't you
after finally accomplishing everything, he was finally able to play the game for fun
I'm just missing the last save to get the three dead god's
In the end, the hardest part is collecting all items.
topped by what
I wish pain onto Kilburn for making Tainted Lost and nerfing Godhead
Tainted Lost is very fun and can be easily beaten in a week or so.
Ultrahard, on the other hand...
Godhead is still strong.
And with tainted lost, just git gud lol
>Tainted Lost
Refresh on the first floor for libraries and look for either book of virtue's or lemegeton.
It's a braindead zero skill game for the kind of people that sink 200 hours into vampire survivors.
why even post? everyone knows this is low effort bait
Is this worth $60?
Of course not. Only buy it when there is steam sale.
i really wish we were in the timeline where people actually copied isaac's itemization instead of relying on permanent stat upgrades that make every run feel the same.
But it contains
>Tainted Eden
>Tainted Cain
>Tainted BB
and Delirium. All frickterrible and required for completion. You have to kill Delirium's broken ass like 36 times, twice taking 2 hits max.
I understand hating Tainted Cain but the rest are pretty fair. If a loser like managed to complete 3 save files, anyone can.
Delirium is ass no matter how you frame it, Tainted BB is a bad gimmick on a subpar character, and Tainted Eden is just annoying specifically against things like Delirium.
chew slower
Eden
Just get angle room items bro.
Cain
Just pick everything you see bro.
BB
Just shit all over the floor bro.
>>the game's items have literally thousands of interesting synergies
>you have to play as all the shitty characters and beat every single boss with each of them just to unlock them
nah, frick that shit
I think a neat addition to Lost/T.Lost would be if they could stock up hearts Bethany-style for use with Blood Donation machines and Sacrifice Rooms
Isaac and Spelunky 1/2 are the kings, no other can even compare
I have a 14 win streak on tainted lost to delirium
stream it
no because then people would complain about my incessant pause cheesing
its staggering that nothing comes to a close second. Isaac with bad items is CBT so youd think someone would come up with "what if Isaac, but mostly good items with cool synergies" but instead we get dogshit like Gungeon
>item is bugged or shitty
>wiki says item is fixed or buffed, but only in DLC
cmon man what the frick
I feel that it gets to repetitive.
The difference between a shit run and a good run is so massive that I often just hold R until my first spawn room isn't shit.
I pretty much gave up on the game after the tainted characters. Pretty much all of them are annoying.
I've yet to play the newest DLC, how well did they implement Antibirth?
No more knife piece "puzzles", instead there's sidequests to get them
>Downpour -> go through mirror world as one-hit Lost to get the knife piece in the parallel item room
>Mines -> go through a boring 1 minute chase with a shadow of mom to get knife piece 2
No more knife piece 3, which means no more teleporter in Mausoleum
Mausoleum lost a good amount of enemies from Antibirth
Book of Virtues now is a passive item, and you get unique wisps based on your active item
Some items removed because they were redundant (Voodoo Pit) or didn't fit (Menorah), or some for just no reason (Stone Bombs)
Witness is now renamed Mother and the fight takes place in a 1x2 room, completely different, arguably worse, certainly less spectacle. No more "genuinely killing mom" story, the boss is just an ugly drawing isaac made
No mudeth soundtrack, Ridiculon did their own songs
Glad to hear I had the whole experience then
Pirate rebirth and play Antibirth
I am just speaking from what was directly brought from Antibirth, there is a FRICK TON of new stuff on top of Anibirth (new alt floors to Antibirth alt path, new bosses, a new final path and ending, tons of new items/trinkets/enemies)
Some of those changes I said are good, it's just that the ambitions of Antibirth were rolled back a bit
Repentance is absolutely still the best version of the game, and mods can certainly restore some of the old stuff
You absolutely have to play it
oh yes and SEVENTEEN NEW CHARACTERS
You should get fricking Tainted character after defeating beast.
Five runs, and not a single red key, fricking bullshit
Did you never get a single trinket?
If you leave a trinket in a "guaranteed" room (treasure room, boss room) then it'll have turned into a Cracked Key (single-use red key in the card/pill/dice shard slot) when you enter the Ascent.
WHAT
WHAT THE FRICK
SO I GOT FOUR FRICKING BEAST MARKS FOR NOTHING
>Leave trinket in boss room during descent
>It will become a one use red key in ascent
Repentance is the only game to make me consider using CE, SAM and generally cheat to get the achievements, the constant trend to nerf good items and cancel interactions is fricking terrible in a game that is generally unbalanced, I just cannot see myself giving Edc**t another 300 hours of my life to get to a 100%, again, for the 6th time (counting from the original isaac).
I already got all the completion marks with Jacob and Essau, The Keeper and The Lost legit, you can stop making shit tryhard characters now Edmund, God Damn, I just want to play Revelations instead. At least do not void the the achievements while using mods...
anon you can make mods and achievements both work, you can even make console + achievements work, i have it working that way right now
not that it matters, i got my dead god and now I'm done
S...should I cheat? I only have the terrible Tainted characters left. I already got the marks for Tainted Lost which was fun but I fricking hate Tainted Cain so much. I would try for Tainted Jacob since I do think that is a skillful character if that was the only character left but I am really pressed on time.
Tainted Cain is some of the worst fricking shit. He's fun for exactly one (1) fricking run when the idea is still novel, then the character takes the unique parts of isaac (resource shuffling) and makes them mandatory and twenty times more annoying. I wouldn't feel remotely guilty about cheating your way through him- most people who play him do something dumb like setting up a resource exploit and crafting a billion Eden's Blessings.
I FRICKING HATE THESE THINGS SO MUCH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
those things are the real reason why t. azazel and t. judas exist because their abilities don't give a shit about invincibility
>runs like shit for no goddamn reason
>doubly so with mods (which it claims to support)
>half the characters are defined by removing access to some number of core mechanics in exchange for a gimmick (at best) or LITERALLY NOTHING (at worst)
>last person to do a balance pass on the game thinks no item runs are fun
>game was left with several core pieces of content required for completion, the capstones to their own types of runs, horrendously bugged and inordinately unfair
>many items are useless or outright detrimental outside of very specific circumstances, and base character power is overall low, so many runs are defined by getting just a couple of truly notable items
but most damning of all
>game has this brilliant balance where everything is a resource that can be shuffled around and spent in highly calculated ways if you know what you're doing
>but almost nobody can do it by default, so it's all beholden to RNG getting you access to the tools you need
>and before even that you're absolutely going to fricking hate the game if you try to make EVERY run work
>it's still best to at least wait to get a decent item or two before investing full effort into a run because like five characters out of the entire cast are truly fun to play without items
It's still my absolute favorite roguelite, but goddamn is it infuriating in some ways. At least I got dead god, so all that's left is messing around with mods.
All those issues were fixed on Issac Eternal with challenge rooms that give you the good items after passing an insanely difficult early game skill check, not to mention Delirium is the worst thing ever, it feels like the game was balanced around twitch streamers so they have something to show rather than the average Isaac Enjoyer.
Eternal Edition is a version of flash isaac so half of my positive points don't exist and half of the negatives are implicit.
>Resource manipulation tools hardly exist
>Runs worse than any version of rebirth could hope to
>Many fun items are mutually exclusive instead of synergistic
>Less bosses, less content overall
>Eternal enemies and bosses are both objectively anti fricking fun
A game balanced for Isaac Enjoyers would save anything legitimately challenging for after the Basement. Not because it's "unfair", but because I want it to be within my power to have a good build before I fight anything actually hard.
Repentance Eternal, you dingus
Oh, disregard that then I suck wieners
i always fall back on isaac whenever there's no good new releases. 700 hours and i still suck ass but damn does becoming op feel great.