>the entire 70+ Horus heresy series came and went in the time it took GRRM to release 1 ASOIAF book
>the entire 70+ Horus heresy series came and went in the time it took GRRM to release 1 ASOIAF book
>the entire 70+ Horus heresy series came and went in the time it took GRRM to release 1 ASOIAF book
Ahem: quality over quantity, philistine. Just imagine how much better the HH book would be with GRRRRRRM writing it.
>the more she drank the more she shat
>the ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit
10 chapters entirely focused on Space Marines with struggling to combat diarrhea and dysentery would honestly be more entertaining to read than the majority of Horus Heresy novels
>struggling to combat diarrhea and dysentery
Wouldn't happen because of their superhuman immune systems unless there was some nurgle shit involved.
How do they live in their armor for weeks at a time? Catheters, obviously!
Ah, finally we know Horus' tax policy
The scatmaster himself
Yeah I can imagine the thrill of waiting patiently for the release of Horus Rising in 2024
What's remarkable is that they were of similar quality
It's easy to release 70+ books when you have 20+ different authors and 90% of them are garbage writers churning out low quality slop
Yup. HH has some decent stuff... For Warhammer novels. It's not too hard to crank them out when the standard of writing is modest, and the broad plot points are already decided.
But it's a lot harder to finish something you know is your Magnum Opus when you're basically setting all your own deadlines, and have the luxury of just chilling out for the rest of your life if you want. I really wish GRRM would just accept that his books won't be perfect, write from the heart, and get them done.
With how End and Death v3 is written combined with other work (GoG, Dredd, etc), i wouldnt be surprised if Dan Abnett was dead for a decade with shitty old AI replacement after (or plain plagiarized with replace for his one) lightning in a bottle releases.
And if you cut out all the decent bits theres probably as much tolerable writing in the HH series as in one ASOIAF book
>70+ books
I refuse to believe even a quarter of them are good. No way a single story can both be good and 70 fricking books long.
Literally none of them are good
About 5 of them are good
It's hard to even call those a single story to be honest, more like 10+ different stories that intertwine at various points
>I refuse to believe even a quarter of them are good
A quarter perhaps, but certainly no more than that
From my talking to HH readers the general consensus is that there's a handful of "good" books - by which is meant "No worse than any other schlock". Of that a handful of titles get repeated to me over an over.
>Constantly told are "Good"
Flight of the Eisenstein
Fulgrim
Garro
The first heretic
>Constantly told are bad
Descent of Angels
Scars
Vulkan Lives
Death Fire
Beyond that it's about how much you gaf about Warhammer and/or the subject the book is about.
>Scars
What blind, dumbass, moronic Black person said Scars was bad?
Scars was fricking shit. The Scars themselves got flanderized to frick and Chris Wraight tried so hard to make the Scars cool he literally has a character say *I love this legion*.
The same one that said garro was good
This tier list is generally accurate if you consider "God Emperor-tier" to be good in a genuine sense and not if you're just a 40k fan
Fixed.
And no, I didn't read a single one of those books.
>And no, I didn't read a single one of those books.
Opinion discarded.
What is this? A reading list for ants?
A list of books to avoid (all of them).
Hilarious. Titandeath and Mortis are enjoyable, actually. People just hate them cuz of the women protagonists.
Literally mental illness
>recognizing corporate shlock writing is mental illness
> SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP
Battle for the Abyss should be lower.
I'd swap Warhawk and Echoes personally, but nothing else really stands out. Jaghatai really made out like a bandit for Black Library novels in this series.
I dont see Prospero Burns on this list but its 100% the best depiction of primarchs fighting in the entirety of 30k and 40k. This book really just succeeds on every level. Tragic sacrifice, a diversity of perspectives and opinions, huge planet wide conflict described through personal vignettes.
Its one of my favorites and it builds on A Thousand Sons which is another one of my favorites. Graham Mcneill did a great job with the thousand sons books and I wont pretend he didnt.
So reply to me with a million reddit soijaks, I dont care. I accept your seethe.
>we have a tsons Black person in the chat
>we have an all is dust homosexual in the chat
It was completely ancillary to the rest of the series, but I thought Nemesis was good on its own merits. Maybe I was just charmed by the Firefly reference.
>Legion is mediocre tier
>It's legitimately one of the few actually good, no 40k experience required, books on the list
>book that introduced perpetual
>book that made alpha legion’s heresy because they cucked to alien conspiracy that convinced them they have to kill humanity to save it
>good
No
Perpetualss date to RT and Draco.
prospero burns belongs in god-emperor tier and master of mankind is too high, also konrad curze's primarch novel is better than good and peturabo's is too high
gav thorps lorgar book is absolute garbage bottom of the list tier
I was curious about the alpharius book but the I saw who wrote it
I just can't bring myself to try anything from a 45 year old man whose personality is "has a mohawk"
Alpharius book manages to offer one origin for him that surprisingly works. It should have pissed me off but didn’t
Scars is heckin BAD
>the painfully mediocre Flight of the Eisenstein, Fulgrim and Garro being held up as consistently considered good alongside the actually good but relatively polarising First Heretic
>the consistently considered good Scars being listed as consistently considered bad in the middle of legitimately bad books
This is cleverly crafted bait, surely?
>bad
>Scars
Yes
I’m gonna add to the dogpile that Scars is blatantly good
There are five really good ones.
Four ok ones.
Over half of the books are skippable.
The Betrayer is my favorite.
Its fantasy slop. None of it is good. The apex modern of fantasy writing is in setting books, not novels. Everything after Dunsany, Howard and Tolkien is bad.
The sad part is that Martin's writing isn't any better for all the extra time spent on it.
That's just an outright fricking lie. Being a contrarian isn't a personality.
You sound like a redditor, with the unecessary use of frick and crying about contrarianism.
Go cope over there.
>REDDIT reddit ReddiT rEdDiT AAAA HA HA HA HAAA
>reddit REDDIT rEDDIt Reddit AAAA HA HA HA HAAA
SUNSET
FOUND
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SQUATTING
>he doesn't know about the Imperial Fist poop museum
>or their poop chili induction fiesta
>or the callidus who got off on the idea of genestealer biology hijacking her innards to give her alien shits
>or the comic about a commissar who was covered in green diarrhea head to toe so orks confused him for a "lanky grot" and kept him as a pet
>Being a contrarian isn't a personality.
Sir this is /tg/, being a contrarian is the only personality that anybody that frequents this board has
ASOIAF books are leagues above HH in quality but GRRM's laziness far outweighs that by this point. I've lost all faith or enthusiasm for the series despite how good the books (particularly 1-3) are
GRRM is such a c**t, hate him way more than any of BL's gay authors
That's the worst thing, there's no way he's finishing the next book let alone the series, but doesn't have the balls to admit it. Would just be better if he admitted he had given up
Yeah I really liked the first 3 books, but I read the first 4 in like pre2010 and I don't give a frick anymore.
The show was great until the Dorne prince guy died and then it just went fricking moronic and they didn't even bother adding major characters or events that were in the book and went full fan fiction.
GRRM is a fricking hack and I highly doubt he's even capable of finishing his series in the first place.
Abnett's Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin series is way more interesting and fun to read.
To be fair...
HH had like a dozen writers.
But also GRRM is a fat frick
HH is unironcally better than ASOIAF and lets be real, GRRM saw how badly his planned ending went down on the TV show and has just decided let Sanderson finish it after he's dead.
Sanderson’s going to be writing everyone’s books at this point
You really wanna chuckle, look how many books Stephen King wrote in that time period. That dude wrote more novels a couple years after being run over by a fricking van than GRRM has managed in over a decade. I don't mind if GRRM is bored of his series and wants to stop, I just wish he'd tell us so we can go on our way.
He should find the best fanfic writer on AOOO and offer them a percentage of the gross to just ghostwrite the mofo for him.
Gurm hates fanfiction.
Meh fine then hire a professional as long as the thing gets done.
And being king none of them would have been good either.
>70+ low intelligence literary trash books vs a lazy old man who wrote himself into a corner and is too proud to admit it
It's all garbage, OP
Is it true that Abnett hates the Emperor and shit on him at every turn
That's ADB. Or so I thought until I got through part 2 of End and the Death.
No that’s adb. None of them know how to handle the he emperor though, it’s probably impossible to handle him as a character. It’s the biggest problem with the setting that the emperor is active but also can’t be allowed to do anything or the plot would be over
ADB is the one who shits on him the most, but I think Abnett has done the most damage to him
>why?
Erda.
you could delete 90% of the heresy books and wouldnt miss a single thing. the vast majority of it was low quality, incredibly convoluted garbage
This is a literature thread on the traditional games board.
I always think Im a total loser and nerd but then I remember there are people that read Horus Heresy
It annoys me that there are no traitors of any significance from the Loyalist chapters, bar that White Scars guy and Luther. If you make nearly every single significant marine from the traitor legions a loyalist, surely having a Blood Angel become a traitor would have been interesting.
Also, Chaos fricking sucks in this series, as do the Xenos.
Imperium le heckin good ok chud?
>blood angels
Red Angel.
>Ultra marines
Both lost legions that got folded in
>salamanders, RG,
Too ded to matter. RG protoprimaris weremonsters would have turned traitor eventually
>Iron Hands
Whatever team killing Red Tallons, Sons of Medusa stuff that happens post heresy. They have traitors, they're just slow.
>Space Wolves
Effectively team kill and shoot themselves in the knot so much they might as well be.
>IF
Good point. Pissboys best boys.
>Red Angel.
Isn't a traitor, just a demon possessing one of the more loyal marines
>gets possessed by daemon
>loyal
Not anymore.
My point is that for all intents and purposes that isn't Meros, Meros sacrificed himself to save his primarch and his legion
You can remain loyal and still get possessed, anon. It doesn't matter how pure you are if you fail your willpower save or someone has a way to magically force a demon inside of you.
>as do the Xenos.
There are xenos in this series?
Some of the most interesting xenos show up early like the interex being actual good guy humans, mega arachnids, the enslavers being a big threat.
And nothing of value was lost...
Shit, I mean gained.
Only Dan Abnett can really come close to being worth GRRM's toenail, and this is coming from someone that considers ASOIAF glorified pulp.
Hell, Elden Ring's writing alone is miles better than anything those hacks have put out
"Heh, in the end, I guess I was the real Horus Heresy."
>He isn’t there. He’s slipped aside, a flash of gold, as fast as a sunbeam, evading you at the speed of light.
>But you, you move at the speed of darkness.
Holy fricking kino
If you are 12 and have never read an actually good book
so whats the point of abnett spending 10 years writing these perpetuals, the constant rewrites for Ollius Pious, and setting up something different from the old lore
only for it to all end...the same horus is perma killed, pious tries to stop horus dies, emperor is placed on the throne.
If they subverted anything people would have went to go burn down Warhammer World.
it actually subtlely changes a lot. a big change is the horus actually repented at the end and implied that his soul wasn't consumed, meaning horus soul or shards could be a thing in the future. little changes like that, probably setting up Valdor as a bad guy.
HOLY HECKAMOLY HORUS IS COMING BAAAACKERINO LIKE AN AVENGERINO
>There is no redemption, for the time for that is
long passed. There is only resignation.
>And in the end, it’s just a man killing his son with a stone.
How does that imply shards. How.
Did you miss the bit blatantly stated multiple times in pt2 and 3 the emperor cast his hope and joy into the warp
The whole black king thing was atrocious. I think the main plot points mostly changed for the worse. The story was better when I just imagined that Horus and the Emperor just had a showdown in some random street in Terra that ended with Horus getting BTFO and with the Emperor knocked out for using too much power.
>The story was better when I just imagined that Horus and the Emperor just had a showdown in some random street in Terra
It has never been that, not even in RT era.
I know but that is how I imagined it.
>not even in RT era.
There was no Horus Heresy in the RT era. It started with some Adeptus Titanicus game in mid 2e iirc. The Emperor was in the throne just because he's old. And he was also conscious, just unable to move.
>There was no Horus Heresy in the RT era
Nope, it was introduced in 1989-90 with Realms of Chaos, AT 1e and the Space Marine epic game.
Its source was a combination of creating an origin story for 40k CSM and AT/Epic 1e only having imperial models at their release, so they made up a fluffy reason for having mirror matches.
Then it was somewhat forgotten for a decade until the Index Astartes articles of 3e reignited the interest about it. Then it came the TCG, the board games, the Visions of Heresy project and Horus Rising in 2006.
Bitchin
I thought that was in 2nd edition, fair enough.
I admit that I only read the base rulebook from RT and there's only imperium, eldar, orks and tyranids there. Plus some other cool aliens that have been forgotten ever since.
Sorry for shitting on your kid imagination anon. There's lots of cool older fluff but also you having a good time was important.
They're still cool for me because I just ignore the new BL slop lore.
>Then it was somewhat forgotten for a decade
It really wasn't, it was constantly being referenced along with Primarchs throughout that time.
Interesting the emperors children and ultra Smurf’s one had each other’s legion number
>There was no Horus Heresy in the RT era. It started with some Adeptus Titanicus game in mid 2e iirc. The Emperor was in the throne just because he's old. And he was also conscious, just unable to move.
You not reading doesn't mean it wasn't there.
I don't know, the dark king thing was kinda interesting if far too obvious. There was even an interesting theory when Vol I was published that the Emperor DID ascend and became a Chaos god of oppressive "Order" like Jyggalag, the Imperium as we know it in 40k being a result of this.
Of course, GW shat the bed once more and turned the Dark King into the God of Encroaching Ruin
I sincerely believe the Dark King was added in part so fans can say there was someone at 40k who can solo the Xeelee universe/3 body part problem, etc.
I'm at work so I don't have the book right now but maybe the line where the emperor says (paraphrasing) "You are forgiven, and I wait for you."
Dude, did you read it?
>Olli is no longer permaded
>Horus is no longer permaded
>Emperor cast shards of himself into the warp
>all primarchs are now implied to be perpetual/eternal
Can't wait for everyone to come back for Horus Heresy 40K!
It was implied that Horus is coming back as a good guy. Gods know what the Empire is going to fight that they need all loyal primarcs - Sanguinius + Horus (and Alpharius?)
Horus vs Abbydabbydoo! So heckin epic! My mouth is gaping open so wide and Italian poet stopped by to etch "Abandon Hope all ye who enter here" on my upper lip!
Yeah but Abbadon is a loser. It took him 13 black crusades and almost 10 thousand years to take a single planet and it just so happened that some bullshit happened after that in his favour with the cicatrix. But, even then, most of his gains were rendered moot with the Indomitus Crusade. And that's just with Guiliman.
He's lame and cucked. Horus vs Abbadon would just be some forced reddit moment. They HAVE to have something else in mind.
>Horus vs Abbadon would just be some forced reddit moment.
That's the entire HH my guy
>What's the point of writing a story and releasing books of it only for the story to end?
The toenail LE 2 saw was 'bone white' which means it can't be Khorne or Nurgle, who was toe?
slaanesh, apply urself
Slaanesh has bone white talons for toes? No polish or decoration? Sounds like birdboi, it's too boring to be slaanesh and the other two sure as hell don't clean their feet.
>Directly observing Nurgles ingrown toenail
Can't be, that would me he withstood Slaanesh upskirt panty shot
Who the frick cares? I knew the outcome of the Horus Heresy in 1993, I didn't need 97 novels getting there.
Prequel novels are the stupidest idea ever.
TTS did it
I find it slightly unnerving that Fo keeps commenting on the narration, he keeps coming very close to breaking the 4th wall.
I hope he doesn't, i don't think i'd feel comfortable if he noticed me. My room is a mess.
>Horus heresy
more like bogus hearsay
>70+ volume epic
>ends with a fricking yugioh card battle
In the end, it was just a man stabbing his son with a stone knife
The part after the card game is the best because they’re both weakened and just bash each other with fists and weapons instead of psychic bullshit
The card game is like 4 pages of the 50 or so of actual emperor vs Horus fighting
If you guys think HH/BL books are badly written you need to read a Battletech novel sometime and learn how bad things could be.