>The mages are just poor oppressed innocents who dindu nuffin
>Every fricking mage you meet is insane and/or possessed by demons
>One of them even murder your mother
Remind me again why anyone with a brain sides with mages again?
>The mages are just poor oppressed innocents who dindu nuffin
It goes even further than that, mages are responsible for every single conflict in the trilogy.
No that would be the elves.
And some of those elves were mages. Well I'm from the Kirkwall chanty and I say kill em all!
elven mages, yes
>We're winning...
>Quick, everyone turn into an abomination like right now!
What the frick is their problem?
my sisterwife bethany became a mage
You know if you think about it, Bethnay becoming a Gray warden basically means that since there's practically zero chance of incest babies, there's nothing wrong with fricking Hawke.
Any reason you can think of? Why should she care? She'll be dead before she's 40.
There is literally a lore explanation as to why everyone and their mother in Kirkwall goes crazy, although many probably missed it because they didnt read all the codex entries.
I'm confident if the original directors from Dragonage orgins created DA2, they would've done a much better job in showing how fricked up Kirkwall was. Hell, I even think with dragnage veilguard the current writers don't want to go down the darkpath, so they'll make it as light and brightful as possible. I think this series is doomed, since the birth of Dragonage came from completely different people from the bioware of today.
"Show, dont tell" is an old problem in writing, sadly. But yes, it certainly would have helped to have a quest that for example had Hawke discover in shock that his entire city block, when looked at in birds eye view, resembled a giant ritual rune of blood magic
DA2 was supposed to be just a spin-off rather than a full title, EA changed that and wanted them to make DA2 the sequel but didn't gave any extra dev times. They were given less than a year of dev times for DA2, the game was fricked from the very beginning. Most of the talents who worked on Origins probably got burned out working on DA2 at that point, so they left. Inquisition was supposed to be the true fully fledged sequel to Origins and was supposed to be developed alongside DA2. What could've been, eh?
Both designs were sping Gears of War, heavily.
Never heard the wind in kirkwall say "hostiles"
>they would've done a much better job in showing how fricked up Kirkwall was
DA2 has problems but they consistently go out of there way to show you that Kirkwall is a shit place where things are fricked up.
>Mage tower is corrupted by blood mages, there's a new blood mage incident every act
>2 mage companions, one does blood magic and the other does magic 9/11
>Templars are corrupted by red lyrium and regular financial corruption
>serial killers wander the streets
>major drug smuggling hub
>foreign slavers given free reign to go after escaped slaves
>sickness and disease are rampant
Sounds like Baltimore
They probably inserted the codex entries because someone on the team realized they fricked up their own messages.
Remember this is the same Bioware who made fricking Jacob of all characters.
Their games setting is "the city of chains", which you enter through a bay guarded by giant statues of people wailing in agony. Your home tavern is called "the hanged man". The mage circle of the town is calles "the gallows". This isnt an accident inserted at the last moment, anon. It reinforces the enviromental storytelling you get from the very beginning.
>Everywhere Tventer Mages existed looks like Rome or some sort of Arab shithole + metal spikes everywhere.
Finally arrive in the Imperium and it looks exactly like Cyberpunk. What the frick.
>doesn’t show or at least mention any of it in game
lol
No shit, it’s all about the gay romances now
That's just contrived as frick.
>No all these mages going crazy isn't a problem with mages! It's..uh...that guy we introduced in DLC!
>subhumans treat their betters like cattle and force them to live lives as slaves locked away in towers.
>get upset and mad when their betters use their superior abilities to rebel against the subhuman ants stepping on their necks
>hurr these titans asserting their rights and freedoms against our intolerable tyranny is proof we were right to enslave them all along!
Templars are literally israelites
>"Their betters"
>Literally in constant danger of being skin ridden by otherworldly abominations
>"Treated like cattle"
>Allowed to practice their witchery so the don't get bored, live off of literal gibs
>"Live like slaves"
>Literally required to do nothing, free to frick around with magic all day
Mages are nogs and every single one should be made tranquil
Spoken like a true israelite enacting his protocols
It's still mages doing all of it.
What a terrible game
I thought it was better than Inquisition. It least it had some fun party members.
Bethany was so obviously written to be the one killed off at the start.
its obviously better then Inquisition. What a fricking shame that they went even deeper into that style. I pray DA4 fails.
nah da2 would be the worst if they didnt put a nigress in DA:I, now they both on the same level
Not even close. DA:I is just a worse game. It abandoned DA:O even more and swapped to pseudo-action + MMO open world.
Writing and companions are worse too.
>was better than Inquisition
Getting hemorrhoids is better than playing inquisition.
eh it was a great game, lots of fun
pity they only crapped it out in 6 months of dev time, couldve been game of the decade if they spent another 6 months.
unfortunately it suffers from having a shitty ending like all Bioware games.
meh could be worse
im surprised most of the fanbase is pro-mage even in 2.
i played a mage and it was only logical to support the templars with how fricked up 99% of the mages in kirkwall are.
Most people do not want to kick down to opressed and mistreated people and understand that putting folk in such a situation naturally leads to radicalism and extreme measures. Add to that what
posted, Kirkwall is essentially eldritch horror town.
I don't think that works with Mages because Demons are a thing.
Hard to support people who can burn an entire village down because little timmy made a contract with a desire demon.
Of course it works with mages. Its the age old question of punishing people for something that might happen in the future, but maybe not. Tevinter existed for thousands of years and thrived, without suffering Inquisition level demonic invasions every week.
I only backed the Mages in 2 because I thought I'd be forced to kill Bethany if I didn't.
>I'm surprised most of the fanbase is pro-mage even in 2
It's simple. You play male warrior as a straight man should. Little sister is mage, therefore you protect little sister irrespective of mages being right. Plus there was something obviously wrong with the templars too - admittedly to a much lesser extent than with mages.
The fan base became demographics of people who value oppression and shirk responsibility for one's actions in 2
If you set someone up as oppressed, 90% of the audience will automatically be on their side, and anything they do will be swept under the rug or justified as necessary and/or a consequence of the oppression.
One of the big problems in 2 is that origins already handled the issue better, and the solution ended up being to have two people in control capable of acting like adults when shit hit the fan.
Exactly this. The vast majority of an audience's feelings towards a story's elements are governed by narrative framing, even if the actual implementation of those ideas is fricking moronic at face value.
I hate elves so fricking much
You cannot prospectively limit a life based on a thought, probability, or potential.
Only an act is condemnable.
Anything else is weakness and fear.
You think like a woman.
Emotional, selfish, and cruel. Anything to feel safer. Anything to be comfortable.
Pathetic.
Based.
I can guarantee, that everyone sucking off Templars is a weak-chinned limp wristed /misc/ack who equates mages with Black folk in their deranged mind. And that comparison would still be insulting to mages.
Projection. I have my cute moronic blood mage wife Merrill. You can have desire to protect something without fricking it, you know. Shocking, I know.
Try to consider the situation practically. Consider it as it exists, not as a non-existent ideal.
Mages don't need to contract with demons to explode. Training is required at the bare minimum. Registration and monitoring is necessary.
>Registration and monitoring is necessary.
Okay Hitler
Tevinter manages just fine without making the circle prisons and going religious autism. The Avvar Barbarians you meet in the Jaws of Hakkon DLC do so likewise. The uprising against a flawed system unable to change on its own is justified.
>Tevinter manages just fine
You have been mind controlled. You a currently a thrall. Report to your nearest Templar garrison for your own sake.
Southern propaganda and misinformation. You dance to the false divines puppet strings and dont even notice.
>Tevinter manages just fine
Lel
It's called probability, moron. The one being emotional is you.
>It's called probability
Yet you aren't able to consider the probability of mages sperging out largely because of the Templar oppression. What an ironic hypocrisy.
]mages sperging out largely because of the Templar oppression
Pre-chantry Tevinter blows that theory out of the water
>cant even greentext porperly
Ah yes, the famous Templar training and "education".
>I SHOULD BE TAKING ITTT
>Typo means I won
I can't help but notice you didn't say anything against my argument about Tevinter. What could be the reason for that?
because Meredith is a real c**t and I don't want a woman in charge
It is the mages natural birthright to rule over his lesser. Death to the southern chantry. Heil the black divine. Heil Tevinter.
Don't you have a big throbbing serrated pulsating Archdemon dick to shove up your ass?
Reminder that Mage Hawke himself is canonically a Force/Gravity Mage//Blood Mage. So even he doesn't escape the insanity/corruption of Kirkwall.
Additional reminder that the Grey Warden's joining ritual is also a form of Blood Magic.
Blood Magic isn't even evil on its own. It's just so immensely powerful that the lesser beings are terrified to death of the sheer potential you possess as a blood mage. It's like automatic firearms with armor-piercing rounds, only those who stand to lose power are afraid of it.
I mean it depends on where you are getting the blood from. If you are slaughtering a dozen slaves to fuel your spell it’s pretty evil. If you are cutting your palm for a few drops of blood it’s okay
What if the slaves are elven males
This is precisely what I am saying. There is no inherent evilness in blood magic, it can be used for purposes of any moral alignment, much like literally every other school of magic. But only blood magic lets you mind control a government glowie without them knowing and then outglow the glowBlack folk that way, which is why it's ~~*immoral*~~ and ~~*illegal*~~.
But blood magic ends up being evil almost all the time because you need a shitload of blood to cast anything powerful and if you just needed to do pedestrian every day magic you wouldn’t turn to blood magic you’d just drink some lyrium
You only need blood batteries to perform absurd mass scale rituals that would require dozens of mages to perform. A lone playable blood mage is a force to be reckoned with all by himself and he only uses his own blood and the blood of his enemies to BTFO entire armies.
This poster is based and correctpilled. The only reason anyone seethes against mages is they are not one. The greatest empires in Thedas, the elven and tevinter, were built by the genius of mages and destroyed due to the treachery of internal seethers jealous of what their betters had wrought. Every other society made by non mages is a pathetic collection of barbarians grubbing in the mud
>great
>elven
Yes the original elven empire completely mogs anything humans have even dreamed of accomplishing. Desires and reality were the same for ancient elves
>Elves desired to become human's slaves
At least they knew their place
kill mages, behead mages, kick a mage baby into lake calenhad, put a mage through the rite of tranquillity, imprison filthy mages
I've beaten DAO and DA2 dozens of times and I ALWAYS side with mages. Also your sister in 2 is also a mage. I don't want her to die early so I don't bring her with me to Deep Roads. Frick Templars, every single one of them is a power tripping homosexual and corrupt brainwashed oppressor, every single one. Frick them. I'll side with mages any day of the week no questions asked, especially if I'm not playing a mage myself. Makes for a more engaging storytelling. But your politically obsessed peanut brain wouldn't understand.
Anon, I think you just want to frick your Sister.
>be a mage
>wow, i really do not want to be ruled over by people like Meredith
>be warrior or rogue
>wow, i really do not want beloved sibilings be ruled over by people like Meredith
This isnt rocket science
>Get robbed
>Invoke my legitimate right to self-defense
>By capturing the robber, torturing him for days, mutilating his corpse and then cooking and cannibalizing his remains
>I was just defending myself
don't start shit, won't be no shit
Have you considered not robbing?
side with the mages but kill Anders
They tried to paint mages in to being cornered animals throughout the game. But I agree most mages in DA2 appears to be perfectly willing to commit acts of insanity and straight up just murder people who are in their way
The moral of Dragon Age series is that the Templars are right to keep Mages locked in Towers. It was dubious in Dragon Age: Origins, but the Templars were proven to be correct in their actions...Mages are all demented frickers and they were what corrupted the Fade and blighted the world in the first place. It was them and their fukken ENCHANTMENT.
tone deaf chud moment
Who was it that tarnished the steps of the golden city?
Who was it to brought worldly sin into the heart of heaven?
Who's hubris and arrogance was it that brought the Blight into the reality?
Mages or Non-mages?
Pure moronation. The fade was corrupted by Solas imposing the veil who did it because he was jelly of the mages who ran the elven paradise. As beings who can reach past the veil to the fade mages are the only people who are actually properly alive, everyone else is basically an ant
He's talking about the Tevinter magisters breaching the golden city to kill The Maker, but end up being cast back to earth as the first Darkspawn
All that solas shit happened WAAAAY before the blight
But that’s not how it happened. There is no maker. The fade and reality used to be the same. The veil is unnatural and not some divine edict against humans entering heaven. The darkspawn existed before the magisters entered the fade as proven by dwarves histories. Pretty much every anti mage gay literally just takes chantry religious dogma at face value when everything our characters see in the game shows it’s totally fricking wrong
>The darkspawn existed before the magisters entered the fade as proven by dwarves histories
Wait what? I know that according to Elven lore the 'Blight' existed before that (re: the Abyss and that Elven god that went there), but not darkspawn themselves.
Go play the descent. There’s a bunch of stories of ancient dwarves discovering and fighting dark spawn. They think of them just as an annoyance that threatens trade on the deep road. They don’t become an existential threat until after dumat is corrupted. The dwarves also laugh at the whole chantry explanation and think dark spawn come from brood others and there is queen mother somewhere in the earth. TLDR dark spawn are creature in the earth but what makes them dangerous is when an arch demon takes control of the horde. The magisters clearly were infected with the plague and obviously have a connection to the old gods but we don’t know how they became dark spawn or even if they were the ones who corrupted the old gods or the other way around. It definitely wasn’t the maker punishing them and humanity though
>every anti mage gay literally just takes chantry religious dogma at face value
nah, they just played the games where nearly every mage turns to blood magic or terrorism
>Nooo its hecking wrong
Imagine believing elven propaganda.
The truth is human history is correct.
Chantry dogma is not human history it’s lies made up by child rapists to protect their wealth and power lol. Our characters discover these truths in game. Imagine believing in a sky wizard who lives in a elven box kek
Yeah and then you escaped the alienage and rebuilt elvkanda, right solas?
Solas was never in an alienage. He destroyed his entire civilization, fell asleep, woke up, looked at how garbage the human ant people were, decided he fricked up, decided to rebuild elf society, fricked up again when he gave orb to corypheus for him to unlock, engineered corypheus defeat, and is now building a covert organization comprised of elves across the world. He’s a bit of a frick up but he’s pretty damn effective. Way more than any human the most famous of which is only known for walking, getting cucked, then being burned alive
>reposting bioware's fanfiction
>xes discussing a fantasy setting on a video game board
>xe complains that what the devs wrote is their fiction
Absolute state of the troon kek
>t. seething bioware troon
>human history is correct
Holy shit bro, this next game is going to blow out your butthole if DAI didn't already.
Humans are literally larping Elven history because it's within their souls to do so. Andraste was a former host of Mythal, Shartan was probably Solas speaking to some poor slave from the Fade.
The Maker is a concept that's never going to be either confirmed or denied.
>this next fantheory is going to prove you wrong
nah
Too late. Canon was established 10 years ago already. No amount of coping will change that.
>10 years
Jesus the time flew.
>the evil trickster god told me the maker is fake and I believe him
LMAO
>Sunday school told me the maker is real and I guzzled it up! No critical thinking needed here boys!
>he thinks the Maker is real
Christ, dude. Does getting kicked in the balls make you feel good?
NTA but i prefer gentle pecks on my balls 🙂
Well, based. The Maker will give you that, in the form of song. Once all four corners of the Earth sing the same, the Maker will peck those sweet balls.
Is Flemeth supposed to be an elven god now? I thought she was an impossibly old mage of sorts.
I much prefer the idea of her representing the more wild and "barbaric" of magic the world as opposed to the tevinters.
She's the current incarnation of Mythal. That was always going to be the idea, though. Her grimoire back in DAO had Mythal's withered tree imagery on it.
>Elven gods are just evil mortals
True to life, INNIT??
I just assumed that Flemeth had fricked over more than her fair share of individuals, big and small, to become something beyond a mortal, not sure I like the idea of her always having been special like that.
Gaider spent like a whole year creating the DA setting before proper development on DAO truly began. Flemeth was always some kind of puppetmaster manipulating the world behind the scenes. Even in The Stolen Throne book, which released before DAO, it's implied she roped Maric into some kind of duplicitous deal for some reason.
And she's always been tied to dragons and the preservation of the setting's history, which relates to her teaching Morrigan about the Dark Ritual. Gaider put way more thought into things than you'd guess.
No that's what I mean, she's integral to Fereldan history but also making her the aspect of some such of an eleven god makes the setting feels small.
Before DA:I fanfiction I saw it as possibly that she was a witch but the elves started worshipping her
Gainer wrote inquisition too cope and seethe
He got violently attacked on the head, abducted, lobotomised and forced under duress to write that crap
Holy cope.
Yeah, fair enough. The setting is more complicated than that though.
Flemeth isn't a real, actual reincarnation of Mythal, just a piece of her soul that lives on. The overall implication seems to be that mortals imitate the souls that compose them, the same way that spirits imitate mortals in the Fade.
The mechanism hasn't really been explained yet, but I'm guessing it's a combination of the Evanuris manipulating mankind through the Old Gods and recycled souls playing out the same concepts they manifested in previous lives.
Eh, I do like that idea about somewhat possessive pieces of a soul changing people like demons do, still, Flem is much more interesting as someone that has achieved so much that she's above it all.
Ive always liked her charm when it came to talking down to people like the Warden.
That's the other really interesting thing. Flemeth, whether due to Mythal's soul or not, really does seem to be above whatever happens, and have some kind of influence in guiding it.
Like Andraste, she's a "great unifier" or somesuch who seeks to return the world to a state of existential balance, which I think is what the Maker represents.
Flemeth seems to be the only character who has known what needs to be done from the very beginning, and has been guiding every major historical development in such a way that balance is restored.
True, she holds onto those treaties because they could help her influence things to her favour, not necessarily because she believes it's the right thing to do.
Even beyond DA:O though, she knows way more than any character has any reason to.
Shit, she even comes to Sandal in his dreams and tells him the plot of DA4.
I'd imagine she predicted everything Solas was going to do and prepared for it. Although, I guess Morrigan will need to take her place now.
Apparently Claudia Black wasn't asked to come back for DA4, so chances are Morrigan won't be in it (unless she is just too expensive now for Bioware so they changed the VA). Which is fricking insane, her whole deal has been ancient elven shit as of late, and if you let her to drink from the Well of Sorrows, isn't she fricking crucial?
He will be a transwoman in 4
>last video game she was in was forspoken
grim
Yeah Morrigan and Solas are essential to everything they have set up. Which is why the name change to veilguard has me very worried they are just abandoning the arc that has been built up
They're basically doing to Solas what they did to the templars vs mages in Inquisition.
Shit, that bodes terribly.
Basically this.
Claudia Black has been a mainstay of Bioware games ever since DA:O. Mythal is central to the state of the setting, practically foundational.
I'm glad Solas is basically going to be our Johnny Silverhand, but he's just one part of the greater picture. Flemeth/Mythal is essentially more important than him in the grand scheme of things.
Dunno man solas ambitions are to literally rewrite the rules or reality and he apparently has even successfully done it before
Yes he rewrote the rules of reality, what's more hilarious is the people he did it for were such massive frick ups that they're now either nomadic tribes also on the run or being treated as second class citizens.
Not really he acknowledges it would frick over all elves by cutting them off from the fade and their knowledge stores but in his estimation consigning them to such a fate was better than the evanuris. He wasn’t trying to create paradise. It also appears he changed his mind as of trespasser. No one in the setting has shown themselves as being capable of being such a massive threat, not even archdemons
>literally rewrite the rules or reality
Nah, just to revert them to the way they were. He already rewrote the rules of reality and heavily regrets it.
>I'm glad Solas is basically going to be our Johnny Silverhand
This is not great. They played this hand way too soon, unless we are going to be '' betrayed '' by Solas AGAIN no matter how much we build a connection with him, which would just be lame. They should have reveled in his villain-y for much longer, and I don't want them to make him even more supposedly sympathetic.
I was expecting some sort of cooperation at some point in the game with Solas, but I expected something way further into the game, not literally in the first section of the story. I can only hope a massive Fen'Harel boss fight will still take place (with Lost Elf playing in the background).
I like the idea, but I'm hoping it won't last for the entire game. I'd hope that, unlike Johnny, Solas will eventually stop being a voice in our head and reenter the waking world somehow.
>I was expecting some sort of cooperation at some point in the game with Solas
That would be based, and I hope it happens. But Bioware still needs to pander to all the rabid stans who want to kill him for whatever reason.
>Fen'Harel boss fight will still take place (with Lost Elf playing in the background)
Don't tempt me with that kino, anon. Lost Elf and Dark Solas Theme were too incredibly great for a DLC. We need to hear them again.
She is fused with Mythal spirits... well, used to be. One weird thing is that she wanted to pass down Mythal's spirit to Morrigan as sort of an olive branch I suppose, but that was cut out and now Solas has killed Flemeth, though what happened to Mythal inside of her, who knows, it is presumed Solas has it or is in control of it.
>Flemeth is dead
I'm not falling for that old trick
was it ever explained in the franchise why are some born with innate latent ability to do the magic and most of the others don't?
No, and it is a question better left unanswered. It just happens, it can happen to everyone. De-mystifying too much can ruin the vibe.
>all dragon age games are 90% off on steam
I liked Origins and stuck with DA2 despite the game being kinda meh. Given how Inquisition is borderline free rn, is it worth buying?
For about three dollars it's as close a bargain you can get beyond getting it for free. But if you have to make sure to mod out the time gated quests. It's just a nuisance plus the way each open world works. It becomes a chore to do all the activities and fetch quests available. Especially in the Hinterlands, where you start exploring. This game is called a single player mmo for a reason.
Mages honestly have too much freedom, I get throwing them into a concentration camp, but why would you train them on how to use magic?
>but why would you train them on how to use magic?
If they aren't properly trained my understanding would be that they couldn't properly control their powers. I remember Wynne mentioning before she was taken to the Circle when her powers developed. She had set someone's hair on fire. The better question I would have in particular for Ferelden's Circle. Why are there tomes detailing blood magic for anybody to get their hands on. Only being taken away after Jowan had raised suspicion of the Templars?
>why would you train them on how to use magic?
to exploit their unique talents for the benefit of their oppressors, duh.
they get possessed by spirits
>Remind me again why anyone with a brain sides with mages again?
Hawke is canonically a mage, so there is that
Also mages in this game are fricking cool, they are not homosexuals that take a million hours to cast a spell, they throw all their arsenal at will and don't give a frick
Because Meredith goes insane no matter what you do because she's a moron
Orsino turned into abomination too even if you sides with him, both of them are moronic
>Commander we found this strange red lyrium what should we do with it? While it's powerful, I'm not really sure if it's safe.
>Make a giant sword with it.
>But we don't even know what kind of side effects it could-
>DO IT!
Meredith is entirely in the right for the entire game. Only reason she goes moronic is the writers wanted to do a "both sides" moment when her opposition is literally a secret blood mage.
DA2 was better than Inquisition and Veilguard will be even worse
>DA2 was better than Inquisition
No
I was so hyped for this game after playing origins
another dead studio/franchise
>still no dragon age game where you can commit a pogrom against the mage scum
Up against the wall, Robe.
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Reminder that he did nothing wrong. Resisting tyranny is every citizens god given right and duty. Browns and thirdies will never understand that he represents the american spirit of freedom and liberation
Yeah sure but he is still a gigantic homosexual so he represent wokies
>wokies
I hate zoomBlack person touristgays so much it's unreal.
based
cringe
Verification not required.
transcoded posters
Reminder that he did nothing. The war erupted not because of his woman moment like he wanted but because cole went on a killling spree years later. Anders is a jobber, a whiner and a homosexual who was forgoten the second he died whike achieving nothing
What is with all the DA2 threads today?
game is on steam super cheap so people are reminded of it
DA4 looks so fricking pozzed that even DA2 is a good game in comparison.
>Remind me again why anyone with a brain sides with mages again?
The majority of online discussion seems to not side with mages. Frick even in the story if you leave Bethany in the Circle she kind of shrugs and agrees that the mages need to die
Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "Fenris was right again."
Templars = Nazis
Mages = israelites
Templars - jannies
Mages - anons
Both sides are unjustifiable shitters, which is supposed to be the point.
It makes each choice valid, but neither is righteous, which defeats the point.
The chantry mafia isn't gonna be able to suppress the truth forever, which is that mages are clearly meant to rule. They have powers that can level entire villages in a heartbeat, how can they possibly hope to control that forever? The tables are turning and soon enough every corrupt chantry priest, every templar pig and all their faithful followers are going to be extinguished as part of Solas' great reset
not only that you end up saving more mages with the templars and you even become vicont
If i am to choose between flying fortresses with magical artillery or some ramshackle ferelden shit hut called "capital", i choose the flying magical fortress, thank you very much
Flying Tevinter shit makes no sense, lorewise. Solas said that was strictly the domain of the Elvhen and all fell apart after the Veil.
Our base this time is in some pocket dimension in the Fade or something.
Tevinters are good with magic, but not that good.
How should he even know, he was asleep till shortly before Inquisition starts. He has no idea how far human magical practice evolved over the centuries.
The Veil mutes everything. No magic will ever be as strong as he knew it to be.
And, it's understood that Tevinter ripped everything they know from the bones of Elven civilization. They've only ever just been a simple imitation of greatness.
Even their gods were just fixations on sleeping proxies the Evanuris created, but that hasn't quite been confirmed explicitly, yet.
All lore after DA2 is not canon.
>DA2
That's about the worst standard you could ever draw.
That makes sense in theory, but the Veil changes it all.
Pre-Veil, magics was as simple as breathing to the Elves.
>the greatest human nation of mages without a doubt will have had some arcane inventions of their own.
Naturally, they should. But their gods were wisps of what the Elves once were. They were even taught Blood Magic by whispers from the Evanuris.
Just refer to the party banter between Dorian and Solas. There's a lot they share, but Dorian is ultimately forced to realized that everything he knows was stolen from Elves.
And yet we have flying magical fortresses, so obviously tevinter still can manage
Sure, according to nu-Bioware's writing team.
They'll do whatever gay shit they want with abandon because the standard has fallen that far.
Gaider left the franchise 10 years ago, and, somehow, he was the gay glue holding the whole thing together.
It was always his setting, after all. Weekes is a good writer in certain contexts, but DA isn't his.
Really, don't build your expectations up for Tevinter to be vindicated in this game. They're absolutely going to be a strawman stand-in for modern politics. They literally created a new rebel Tevinter faction that exists to be Tevinter but "good".
there's no way tevinter would have allowed this to be created in the first place
Of course there is a Tevinter rebel faction. We would have never went there without a resistance of sorts. Assuming otherwise is just dishonest.
>Assuming otherwise is just dishonest.
Nah. Dorian never mentioned anything of the sort, and was driven to Ferelden by the precise fact that no such thing existed.
nuBioware absolutely ripped le Shadow Dragons from their creatively bankrupt asses because the canonical version of Tevinter is heckin' problematic by today's standards.
>It was a thing since the run up to DAI
Post codex entry. Not saying you're wrong, but I don't remember any lore establishing this.
What do you assume would have happened had we visited Tevinter during the old Bioware times? That we never got any different social factions with opposing viewpoints and opinions? That we had only the downtrodden slaves and only the mustache twirling magisters and nothing in between? No slave happy with his station? No Mage who feels compassion for the downtrodden? No one who looks with resentment at the current system? Come on now. This is dishonest and you know it. You just want to seethe about modern politics.
>What do you assume would have happened had we visited Tevinter during the old Bioware times?
We never would have and never did because Tevinter wasn't relevant to the stories that old-Bioware decided to tell, and that was purposeful.
Tevinter has always been important lorewise, and DAI/Trespasser only made that truer. We've seen glimpses of Teviner culture through Dorian, Calpurnia, the Venatori, and different codices, but the way it's being portrayed in Veilguard is absolutely a dickless copout.
You talk as if video games haven't changed in the 10 years since Inquisition released, so don't call me the dishonest one. Pretending that Veilguard is a natural 1:1 procedure from a game released in 2009 or even 2014 is just spineless lie.
The final scene of DAI is literally the inquisitor announcing they are going to tevinter to get the archons help fricking Solas up. This is right after you disband the inquisition and tell the southern nations you are done with them
Yeah, Trespasser was always pointing to Tevinter. That was always the plan.
I'm saying that no previous DA game portrayed Tevinter to any great tangible effect because it was never important plot-wise. What are you saying?
DAO DA2 and DAI all came out in a span of 5 years. The old BioWare that made DA was definitely intending to explore tevinter. The andromeda and anthem disasters just derailed the whole thing
Yeah, I agree with that. That's just the truth.
What I'm saying is that the Tevinter we're going to get is absolutely not the Tevinter that old-Bioware would have given us because of the amount of time that's passed.
I'm not even sure we're really disagreeing. I'm just saying that I wish we were getting 2009 Bioware's vision of Tevinter and not whatever Veilguard's is, because this one seems devoid of all the inhuman ugliness that made Tevinter interesting in the first place.
Not totally disagreeing. I don’t think old BioWare intended that tevinter was a total hellscape of inhuman ugliness though. Everything we heard about tevinter was basically propaganda from societies that hated and feared them. Dragon age has always been pretty good about showing how the good guys also fall victim to their own preconceptions and how forces for good like andrastian religion are also riddled with inconsistencies and even outright lies. I’m sure we would get to tevinter and see yeah it’s got slavery and a lot of corruption and decadence but also regular ass people trying to survive blights and qunari attacks and pissed off that arrogant southerners blame everything on mages
>Everything we heard about tevinter was basically propaganda from societies that hated and feared them.
I would agree, but we do know that Tevinter was so bad that Dorian chose to flee it, at least during the DAI base game. I guess you could say that was mostly because of his father, though. But whatever the case, it's supposed to be objectively a worse, more oppressive place than Ferelden or Orlais, or anywhere else that we've explored to this point.
>regular ass people
Who would that be in Tevinter, though? Anyone who isn't a mage is considered to be garbage, and the rest are slaves.
The most interesting thing about Tevinter is that it's implied to be a modern reflection of Elvhen society, where magic is the coin of the realm and anyone without a proper command of it is Vallaslin-fodder. And this is either because of the influence of the Old Gods, or for some other similar reason.
Guess I just want to see the setting be presented properly is all.
>Dorian
>DAI
not canon
Frick, wish I could live back in 2009 with you.
It’s a case with grass is greener with Dorian. He grew up in tevinter and resents all its flaws because it’s so close to home. Despite that he spends the entire game shit talking the primitive cultures around him and goes back to tevinter to reform it so obviously he loves it and thinks it’s a valuable enough culture to change. We hardly know anything about normies in Tevinter but the vast majority of people aren’t mages and tevinter cities are the largest in the world so they have to have some sort of functional society
I hope that's all the case. Thedas has been a legitimate setting under Gaider, and I'm fully expecting it all to be disregarded in Veilguard for the sake of mass appeal. I'm expecting the worse, but I hope I'm wrong.
It would make sense for individuals and small bands to exist but not whole factions. Slavery in the Imperium is how things always have been and as far as they are concerned how they always will be. Fenris even says that every time there is a revolt everyone "unites in the face of sedition". Plus they are stuck in a forever war with the Qunari and all their neighbors are at best hostile because of religious differences so there is no time to think about anything other than defense.
maybe even if solas is right, and the magic is weaker now, tevinter mages are cool enough that even with weaker magic they can do that much? imagine what they'd do if magic was at full power
Again though, it's reiterated throughout the lore that Tevinter was "built on the bones of Elven civilization" or something like that. And early Tevinter was absolutely guided by the Old Gods, which are just extensions of the sleeping Evanuris.
Tevinter is as close to Elvhenan as a post-Veil society can be, but it's still blinded by the Veil.
Tevinter wanted to claim they destroyed the elves but it’s not true. Also the old gods are not evanuris, they are literally dragons. Half the old gods are dead too and solas tells us the Evanuris are still alive
>Tevinter wanted to claim they destroyed the elves but it’s not true.
CORRECT.
>Also the old gods are not evanuris, they are literally dragons
The Old Gods aren't *literally* the Evanuris, but they're pieces of them. The longstanding theory is that the Evanuris imparted pieces of their souls in the Old Gods, the same way that Corypheus invested a piece of his soul into the Red Lyrium dragon to achieve immortality.
Solas says that the relationship between Corypheus and his dragon is an imitation of something "truly great", which probably means that the Evanuris achieved something greater with the Old Gods.
Elven propaganda. In thousands of years, the greatest human nation of mages without a doubt will have had some arcane inventions of their own.
Jesus look at the skeletal roof in the background. This means that they at least bathe once in a while when it rains. These people shit in chamber pots and dump it out the window, their beds are infested with lice and they are infested with intestinal parasites but hey at least they are not oppressed by evil Tevinter or even Orlais.
They use copious amounts of lyrium to do this. It was a thing since the run up to DAI.
God I fricking hated Denerim. Why is Dragon Age so bad at designing cities, besides Kirkwall all have been shit and Minatharous will just be a set piece in Veilguard, we'll never return to it.
>Minatharous will just be a set piece in Veilguard, we'll never return to it.
I think it'll be like Val Royeux from DAI. Devs have said there are taverns, shops and other sorts of quests there.
It better not be like Val Royeux then because that shit was insulting. It was like a tiny market square when it was supposed to be the greatest city in the south. Denerim orzammar and Kirkwall were way more convincing as cities
tbh Val Royeux was a bad example, I think Citadel from Mass Effect might be a better comparison. I read in one of their discord Q+A things that it's a place we'll keep returning too.
all lore after Baldur's Gate 1 is non-canon, I blame Biowang for introducing romanceBlack persontry in Baldur's Gate 2.
>I blame Biowang for introducing romanceBlack persontry in Baldur's Gate 2.
>hating on romance
holy soulless incel batman
nah I dont romance in games I just the fanbase sorrounding it, hence romanceBlack persontry
>nah I dont romance in games
much like in real life eh
>I just the fanbase sorrounding it
you just what?
haha real funny
hate
>i just hate people who enjoy idealized versions of romance in their escapism media
kys normalBlack person scum
He means that romance homosexualry has taken too much focus away from interesting characters and concepts.
BG3 is a good example of how the philosophy leads to a team that has to be around the same level of age and attractiveness to allow it all to work, where instead you could have an ironically more diverse cast.
>Play this garbage at release
>As a Blood Mage
>No one reacts to it
>templars lobotomize you if you look at them wrong
>but frick mages
Good goy
I like how Dragon Age has always tried to portray the issues around magic/mages in a nuanced fashion without fulling supporting or condemning any one side of the debate but everyone still pretends it treats the mages like dindus even though not even Inquisition, the most “woke” entry so far, sunk to that level. Much like how everyone acts as if the game wants you to think Anders is perfectly right and justified even though that’s very clearly not the point and you’d have to actively ignore the majority of associated dialogue to get that impression
>DA spends 3 games setting up elves as le oppressed minority who dindu nothing and le evil humans destroyed their beautiful empire and enslaved them
>turns out the elves destroyed themselves and their original society didn’t deserve to survive
I think BioWare might actually be based
Okay the series is discounted heavily and I've never played 3, is it worth at least seeing where shit goes?
Does importing a save have any value?
Does Inquisition have okay gameplay compared to origins or not?
>Okay the series is discounted heavily and I've never played 3, is it worth at least seeing where shit goes?
Yes. If you like it, great. If its a 7 out of 10 for you, still good for a week or two. If you hate it, thats also fine. You bought it cheep. Just find out
>Does importing a save have any value?
It changes some things and gives you some callbacks, as with previous entries
>Does Inquisition have okay gameplay compared to origins or not?
Its a different kind of gameplay. Wheter or not you will enjoy it, i dont know. I dont know you, nor you taste. Watch a youtube video with gameplay or find out on your own.
Eh fair enough.
I still don't understand why instead of having DA2 be an expansion of Origins, a side story like Awakening, they decided to make it the sequel, narrow it down to one city and 5 combat maps, and retcon a bunch of stuff that didn't need to be retconed.
Not to mention the faux-edge compared to the grittiness of origins.
I don't understand why Dragon Age is a franchise in the first place considering how tonally different Origins, 2 and Inquisition are from each other and how the narrative is completely unfocused from the original premise.
I thought we'd be commanding griffons or killing Qunari at this point.
Well it seems the original Qunari got replaced by bulls between Origins and 2
The one good thing about 2 is that the group of Qunari you see in Kirkwall make them interesting, course 2 also ruined them with Felicia Day and the Qun being super duper accepting accshually.
I still don't understand why Day was everywhere for a couple years between 2010 and 2015
>New Vegas
>DA2
>GW2
It's like all the pozzed studios needed the Day seal of pozz.
Twas the start of the "I'm a neeerrd" era, so socialites that like to spread their legs as much as their opinions were everywhere to be seen then, it's thankfully died down but only because they've either had their fill or have infiltrated entirely.
Also supposedly she actually had a following then, I wouldn't know, I hated her the moment I realised what that Da2 dlc was about.
I only knew her because of that song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU
Making qunari more visually distinct was okay. Making them into another le wacky adventure autist race with iron bull and whatever that absolute travesty of a qunari character was in the Netflix anime is not okay. Taash seems more of the same wacky so heckin cool qunari who spits on the qun
The answer on the scope is EA who was demanding BioWare shit out games at a ludicrous pace at the time, same thing happened to Mass Effect. They didn’t really retcon that much other than what inevitably happens with games in a shared universe with drastically different endings and not even the benefit of a tight focused story like mass effect had
anyone read this? is it worth a read?
All of the dragon age books are pretty good actually. The calling is still based and important for dark spawn lore. Masked empire has lost some of its drama now you know how the Orlais conflict resolves
I have. Its actually quite nice and intruduces serveral companions and plot points you will encounter in Veilguard. Like that detective mage, the assassin or the necromancer. You see the Qunari being fricked up tyrants, some body horror shit, what the Venatori are up to after Inquisition and so on
based. I'll give them a read then. Thanks anons
Because it makes no difference what you choose. In the end you still have to fight both the templars and the mages. Game should've ended with the Qunari arc.
Qunari are the biggest magic offenders in the setting. They go the extra mile and fully convert their version of mages into nothing but living weapons whose sole purpose is to unleash destruction
They're literally fantasy muslims
No, they are communists
The Qun isn't a religion so much as it is a social compact
Mages are superior to regular humans. Only problem is some of them aren't superior *enough*, so when a demon comes in to molest a superior human, some of them fail to resist it. Since inferior humans always fear and detest those better than them - they yearn to control or destroy the superiors.
I'm just a magically gifted ubermensch who doesn't wanna be bogged down by you warrior sissies, not my fault some homosexual 9/11ed your church which any non-mage could have done with enough chemistry knowledge.
>no, not every mage is a blood mage
>i'm going to prove you wrong and use blood magic to defeat you.
fenris was always right and Meredith did nothing wrong.
until she goes full psycho against you.
Why couldn't Meredith have just been overly strict? The absolute asspull at the end of 2 is almost worse than ME3 because you just can't ignore how imbecilic everyone gets.
Wasn't she driven off the edge by continuous exposure to the cherry flavored crack rocks?
Not downplaying her responsibility - honestly, she exercised next to no caution at all when mysterious, ominously glowing, infernally-crimson Lyrium just fell into her lap. What did she expect to happen?
quality
bioware
writting
If you don't appreciate Anders' "frick you, got mine" mindset you're a bigger homosexual than he is.
It’s all fun and games until red lyrium gets involved
All magic is blood magic when you learn where lyrium comes from.
Lyrium being titans blood is still pretty ambiguous. The descent kind of just stops right after they theorize it is titans blood and there is no more explanation or evidence they are correct. It’s really just another version of Gaia mysticism hurr muh earth mother. Kinda surprising the dwarves didn’t already have a religion like that considering their culture
the templars are objectively correct to the point that they had to force conflict with meredith going insane at the last second because she just decided to throw out all common sense and use the sword made of evil lyrium
Wut. Templar’s literally are the cause of all the problems they claim to guard against. Societies without Templars are just fine
>Societies without Templars are just fine
ah yes, the one society where slavery is okay and blood magic is rampant
You're right they've gone a bit far with blood magic
Mages in enchanters circles are literally slaves and elves in southern cities are treated worse than slaves. Get off your high horse. Reminder when tevinter magisters got to the fade it was already black and the makers throne was empty so the entire chantry is also a lie southerners are being brainwashed with
none of that relates to the fact mages are outrageously dangerous
shall not be infringed you fricking libshit.
Dragon Age anti-magic threads become very amusing to gaze upon once you realise that anti-mages employ the same rhetoric as anti-gun homosexuals.
the difference is anyone can own and operate a gun and don't get possessed by evil entitles
>anyone can own and operate a gun
Except poor people and most europeans and those with a weird medical record and-
>Social order is a thing that exists therefore let's put mages into prisons
Disingenuous leftist.
I can make you do almost anything I want if I point one at you without giving you an opportunity to draw a piece of your own, Black person.
She decided to let a demon possess her, not just use blood magic.
Can't tell if agreeing with me or a low IQ golem not able to connect dots.
what's really amusing is when someone shamelessly tries to get direction brained morons on their side.
guns can't mind control people, moron
God I hate americans (on the internet), fricking morons bringing their moronic home politics everywhere
these threads are by usually americans who immediately think
>muscly armor army man good, mind-power related robe guy bad
Nah Americans are the most pro mage. They literally use their science and industry for nothing but developing the means to generate bigger explosions
templargays are clearly trumpgays
This is a good post because obviously anon is aware that the templar vs mage is bullshit just like democracy. The true reality of the template mage circle system is that it unifies and perfects both akin to castes.
Not anymore dangerous than ignorant clerics who enslave entire nations with their false religion or templars who casually murder hundreds of mages because they didn’t get their lyrium fix that morning. Life isn’t about minimizing risk
>implying it's not just beyond their vision
If anything the golden city is just the palace of the evanuris so humans are worshipping elven tyrants lmao
Are mages an analogy for israelites?
Templars are the israelites, mages are whites.
>mages consistently ALWAYS fall to blood magic and demons
how do you defend this?
that's not even mentioning the fact that letting random people who can set people on fire with the snap of their fingers go free is insanity
>consistently ALWAYS fall to blood magic and demons
Templars are literal lyrium junkies and way less put together than the average mage.
>templars have issues so we should let the demon safety hazards go where ever they please
Tevinter is run by them and they're fine.
Unless of course, you're saying your a filthy mudshit communist Qun sympathizer
It seems to me that Tevinter is only fine because of being underdeveloped in the setting, more of an afterthought “oh yeah there’s also these guys” really
>Tevinter is run by them and they're fine.
i guess if you're cool with slavery, blood magic, human sacrifice and demons
Tevinter isn’t cool with that either, blood magic and demon worship and shit is illegal in tevinter. They have corruption so some shadowy organizations get away with it but every southern nation has this issue to but they additionally legalize and endorse slavery and exploitation of mages so they are overall more evil
Templar solution is murdering their soul. Unacceptable. Especially from lunatics that can’t control themselves. It’s like letting the patients run the asylum and allowing them to lobotomize anyone they want at will
You will never be a mage and stop comparing everything to contemporary bullshit you homosexual moron
You are the one so jealous of fictional people with abilities that exceed yours that you feel you have to enslave them and soulmurder the ones you can’t control
>dude the degenerate junkie Black folk who literally can't stop taking drugs are okay and should be allowed to police the normal people who are an actual credit to their societies
>Templars are literal lyrium junkies and way less put together than the average mage.
an insane templar can be put down relatvively easily, barring deus ex lyrium empowering them
a pride abomination can't
the best a Templar could ever hope to be is a decent anti-mage weapon.
Mages on the other hand saved Thedas against the Qunari. The Tevinters are the only people holding them back as well.
>the best a Templar could ever hope to be is a decent anti-mage weapon.
exactly, which means one flipping out and going on a rampage won't cause anywhere near as much damage as a pride demon wearing one and doing whatever the frick they feel like until either a powerful enough mage, templar or exceptional individual puts them down.
so how come Tevinter isn't a smoking shithole even though they let mages run the show? Literally the most prosperous human nation on the continent doesn't count for shit to you pseudo-gun grabbers
because the mages do to other mages what the templars do in the south
Wow so you mean dangerous people can be stopped without enslaving everyone in the name of security?
>enslaving everyone in the name of security
ironic considering they enslave people
You are obviously too stupid to even engage in political discussion and frankly you should be enslaved
Tevinter also held the line against the first blight for like 150 years and their thanks was homosexual barbarians in the south rebelling. Tevinter is the only reason life on the surface isn’t extinct
>how do you defend this?
"How does this affect you personally?"
Nowhere near all mages fall for demons, and blood magic is based, sissy.
>Nowhere near all mages fall for demons
Yeah the circle system works wonders
>Muh circle is the only solution
>What are dailish elves
>What is Tevinter
Disingenuous leftist untermensch.
>none of these treat mages as just gifted people who can do whatever they want
Wow it's almost like social organisation is a good thing
ywnbam
>What are dailish elves
we literally have a moment where a demon tries to kill the dallish clan because one moron decided to frick around with blood magic
>>What are dailish elves
morons who unironically brand themselves with slave marks because despite a literal god reshaping reality to free them they couldn't keep their shit together and lost everything. Also the direct interaction with dalish artifacts in one is a tainted mirror that consumes your best friend. The keeper is a man sustained by soul magic so he can't be corrupted because it's already tied up in a curse causing werewolves.
>Tevinter
Oh you mean the group of mages who literally practice eugenics trying to min max their magic might to be on top of the shit pile and use people like blood bags to fuel their spells instead of themselves. Don't forget Tevinter also has Templars, they just answer to the mages and more a police force for the lower class mages. How about that city they had that is just a giant ritual circle where they literally just abused and tormented people enmass as an experiment to thin the Veil which to this day allows demons to more easily posses and terrorize people.
The original ideal of the circle is what needs to be reintroduced, a place where mages can not only be protected from each other should the worse happen but also from the ignorant masses who want to have someone to blame for their woes. Unfortunately that would take nuance and writers who aren't just trying to make shitty real life commentary about oppression.
You make tevinter sound based. Why shouldn’t the strongest men lead mankind forward to tear down heaven and seize our destiny? Why should womanly knitting clubs be organized to keep us forever subservient?
You're a moron and need making tranquil
Simp detected
Because more often than not they aren't the strongest, just the ones born into the right families and able to use their name to cull any opposition. morons like you would be at the bottom, you will never be one of those strong men because you were born at the wrong tier of society.
Don’t really care as long as society as a whole gets stronger. This is what you Black person worshipping mutts will never understand it’s not about (You). The strong rise and bring us forward. You hate and fear the strong and idolize blue haired troons instead
The Tevinter Imperium has unironically been in decline for centuries. It has done nothing but get weaker and weaker. If you want a strong society turn to the Qun. Not only are you a moron who loves the taste of boot polish, but also you even fanboy for the society that is stagnating specifically because it's no longer about the strong but the entrenched powers clinging to it with all their might.
Because they already tried that and fricked over everyone for centuries if not millennia.
I loved origins but never played 2 or inquisition are either of them worth playing?
2 is worth playing
2 is worth if you can get it very cheap. Sub 10 dollars.
Be aware that the game reuses maps a lot - to a frankly obnoxious degree really.
Also get comfortable with the city's aesthetic because you're going to be spending the majority of your time in there.
I honestly don't know how you can get rid of the circles when children can get possessed
They will retcon it so that it's the heckin chuds causing demon possession, and actually the demons are oppressed lgbtq+s
I think society needs mage circles in some form, they just need to have them run by people who aren't paranoid sadists like they were in Kirkwall.
The solution was mentioned in Inquisition. Keep the Circles, but let the trusted mages earn ranks in the Chantry. Templar go back to being mostly neutral.
Bioware magic.
>the only defense of mages is "b-but templars are BAAAAD"
lol
Solas is bullshitting about the veil btw, it was early human chads with very undeveloped technology and primitive magic
Humans are superior to elves, but then you already knew this being a human
I stand with Tevinter. Magic is might.
>people unironically praising the society that shits on 99% of the population and condones literal slavery
>Orlesians
French
>Fereldan
Bongistani
>Qunari
Mudshits + Communists
Tevinter is the least of all evils
>we’re losing the final battle! We are forced to use blood magic!
>we’re winning the final battle! Guess we’ll use blood magic!
Garbage game for skip eating biopigs
Magic is meant to serve Man and never to rule over him. Thus spoke Andraste as she cast down the Tevinter Imperium.
>listening to words of a woman
I REMEMBER HAMBURGER HELPER
I was there when the memes were written first spoken in the tongues of the ancients and carved onto the stone tablets
it would've been funny to see this happen just so we know which companions are based
People who side with mages have no brain
Are the mages in Dragon Age an LGBT allegory?
>Discover themselves during adolescence
>Under strict surveillance by religious authorities
>The more degenerate among them can corrupt the blood of others
>Cannot marry or have kids in most places
>Highly prevalent in the not-Roman empire
playing a pro-templar elf mage is funny
Female?
of course
made for human dick
>Remind me again why anyone with a brain sides with mages again?
>One of them even murder your mother
If the lack of a brain is what causes one to side with the mages then why aren't you doing just that you ESL moron
Meredith did nothing wrong
She was a roastie you moron
She shouldn't have been put in such a high position since she's female
As opposed to Meredith?
>Find a dwarf gibbering madly while clutching a mysterious idol
>Better make that idol into a sword and keep it on my person at all times
meredith going crazy was shitty writing
she was right in everything before they decided to make her use the funny evil sword that should would normally be completely against
She was wrong from the get go lad. She was the jealous scheming israelite trying to hold down the noble goy mage
he dindu nuffin
> He was a gud boy that had just started gettin his life unda control!
> We need mo blood sacrifices fo them rituals!
My memory is foggy but was Orcino in any way involved with all of the kidnappings by blood mages that happens shortly before the end?
He actively helped the blood mage who kidnapped and killed your mother.
That's what I was remembering, damn the final stretch of Da2 is absolute 50 car pileup of shit just happening.
He was sending him books but cut contact when it became apparent that his pursuits were not strictly academic. He then kept it to himself probably out of fear.
No he was always against blood magic but ultimately gave in when backed into a corner and left with no choice by Meredith
>no choice
He could've not done it
he literally had dealings with the man who murdered hawkes mother
He wasn't against blood magic and in the scenario where Hawke sides with the Mages he LITERALLY has no reason to do it.
Yeah rationally he didn’t, the writers just had to asspull him using blood magic for reason at that point to try to be le balanced and be like look mages can be le evil too.
Just like a female cop he must have felt threatened by the (barely recognisable under a microscope) level of danger
It wasn’t in character for him. It was an ass pull from the writers. They were desperate to find any way to justify why a player would even give the slightest consideration to siding with moronic templars
what is in character though is him actively overlooking a blood mage serial killer trying to attempt necromancy
>reasons
You mean other than the fact that like half of the problems Hawke faces throughout the game are literally caused by moron mages? Or the fact Hawke's own mother was murdered by a Blood Mage who Orsino himself aided and abetted? How about the blood mages who kidnapped Hawke's sibling? The list goes on.
The game at that point had already provided ample evidence of mages being fricking evil too.
The mages come off as comically deranged in the final act, Kirkwall felt like it was moments away from genuinely needing an anulment.
>simping for literal agents of hellish entities who've historically be decadent degenerates
The one wear the tiny hat is you
I think you replied to the wrong person.
I did and I'm sorry
That's not how I remember it, Hawk at that point had practically everyone eating out of his hands or fearing him.
Why Orcino didn't just let him sort shit out without causing a fade incursion(i remember demons and shit popping out in Templar base) things might not have gone entirely to shit.
Still Anders just couldn't fricking help himself.
>Your pic happens regardless of the path you take
>Ask Varric in DA:I why it happened (When you picked the path where it shouldn't have)
>Greatly disapproves just because you asked
Sorry for trying to make sense of anything in 2 BioWare
>Tfw only reason I played DAI was to see how badly they fricked up goth mommy my Warden chased into the fade
>She unironically is a top tier mother and even calls out her own mom as a horrible parent and someone she will never be
Gotta say, that and the man brought before you to be judged for chucking goats at the castle walls were the only good parts.
>Pretty aryan woman representing strength and order is the israelite
>Scheming physically weak trickster with certain long anatomical features is the aryan
Imagine defending a woman lol. Anders is a blonde Nordic Chad. Hawke is a rugged white male and canonically mage. Meredith’s bleeding axe wound made her act hysterical her whole life the red lyrium exacerbated what psychosis was already there
Hawke in the trailer is multi-class
You're saying she's a woman then trying to move back to saying she's a troony?
All while defending weakness, scheming and disorder.
She may be a woman but at least she believes in a male oriented system, while you despite being a male lower yourself to wanting some female type system.
Hawke is a canon mage lol cope and seethe. You worship a roastie who forces more powerful men to live in a system of submission and submit to “harrowing” humiliation rituals to impose her dominance. Anders believes in freedom and men doing as they please. You are a israelite shill. Shall not be infringed niggity nog
A mage is like a fatherless man, suspect and in need of monitoring lest they go around attacking women and children
Anders believed in fricking b***hes and living the good life.
Venganders is a rebel without a caus.
Anders believes the world would be better off under Tevinter, where men are kept as slaves for the experimentation and amusement of the few.
Mages are kept as slaves and exist for the amusement of templars and royalty who don’t deserve it at all. At least in tevinter the strongest can rise to rule not the womanly system of the south that perpetuates roasties and emasculated homosexuals making the rules and creating like systems to perpetuate their existence at the expense of everyone else
>royalty who don’t deserve it
This is the homosexual who keeps calling people leftist
Who are the royalty of Thedas? Charlatans who claim to be related to Andraste, a lying prostitute who invented fairy tales to brainwash credulous cucks like yourself
>Mages are kept as slaves
They aren't.
>exist for the amusement of templars and royalty
They don't.
>At least in tevinter
The 1% of the 1% rules (thanks to inherited wealth and power), while 99% of mages and 100% of non-mages are literal slaves with barely any (former) or any (latter) rights.
They are you are mind broken lol. Willing slave. Pathetic
>Willing slave
bro, you are advocating for a society of slavers
So are you moron. No where on Thedas nice. You have to pick the shiniest turd
The only societies that practice slavery on Thedas are Tevinter and the Qunari.
The circles aren't slavery no matter how hard you try to cram that analogy in there.
i'll pick the one where i'm not a slave since realistically neither of us are going to be mages
you WANT to be a slave to people who commit blood sacrifice
All games to date 100% disprove your claims. You look at Kirkwall and think that's how all circles operated, when its been made clear time and time again that Kirkwall is an outlier even among outliers. Fricking moron.
Do mage origin in DAO. moron of the year award to you
Just saying, everyone in Kirkwall fricking sucks.
chad coming through
A girl compared me to him once.
I try to think of it as a compliment these days.
>edgy pretty fuccboi with a dark past who could easily kill you if he chooses but he loves you too much to hurt you
Literally the teenage girl's dream. You should be flattered
WELL, when you put it that way, it does sound flattering.
She was the typical gamergrill though. Absolute bullet dodged.
Why did they completely take a shit on Anders? His character in 2 was completely different from his character in Awakening.
everything after origins/awakening can be ignored since it's all trash
Something something Justice didn't get peace and I'm gay now btw...
He got a spirit stuck in his head, anon.
>Noooo my demon was different they ruined it!!!
Pretty much in all games I side with whoever the white Christian males are and then I genocide anyone else I can.
Straight up wiped out the Tiefling refugee camp in Balders Gate, then I stole all their furniture and gave it to a white family west of the camp.
>Siding with goblins
you can kill both
I never understood why everywhere else if a mage farts too hard they get possessed by a demon and everyone in a 10 mile radius dies, but they're making slave blood smoothies in Tevinter and it's still a functioning society. The streets should look like a doom level 24/7. Is Tevinter just protected by three stooges syndrome clogging up the door to thedas?
it's called bad writing
Hard to turn into a demon when you're being turned into a smoothie.
I will hear no more of this Hebrew nonsense.
I took it as the place being so big and so tyrannical that daily horror was something people were just desensitized to, also in Dao you find numerous mentions of how the imperium is in free fall due to internal dispute.
That’s how southerners view the imperium. The fact that it has been in free fall supposedly for 1100 years kinda puts a lie to their propaganda
Im pretty sure that they are literally fracturing like the Romans did, whether you get Byzantium or ruins is completely up to chance.
It kinda is. Times were, it spanned much of Thedas, but now it holds on to a mere fraction of what it once controlled.
That’s not what free fall means
A civ either grows or quickly fades away, I think it's an apt description for how they've lost, hell the fact that they have a chantry presence and an archon that converted when it was most convenient to really did change them.
Current thedosian civilization lives in fear of tevinter. All the qun and blights cant bring them down after 1000 years. They are weaker than their golden age but didn’t “quickly fade away”
A very different kind of fear though, also isn't Tevinter shit scared of Qunari as well?
Supposedly the Qun's war path has been exceedingly successful in unknown territories.
So did the Mages corrupt the Golden City or was it already corrupted when they got there?
It was already like that since the veil was imposed. It used to be elven cities. If anyone is to blame for it being black it’s solas.
I still can't believe that Inquisition just glossed over the Mage vs Templar war
it's hard to worry about that when you got some monster man trying to end the world or whatever the frick he was doing
It's an example of having bigger fish to fry. While the morons in robes and morons in armor are trying to kill each other, you're trying to keep one of the biggest morons of all from destroying the world.
And how would you describe that biggest moron?
Andraste
The city is still Golden. The Tevinter mages thought they were hot shit, so they were all wearing dark tinted sunglasses to look cool for their heaven heist.
>tfw too cool to be Blighted
>every single mage
every? really? every? How is the first enchanter insane or possessed? how's vivienne? how is the keeper companion from daa? how's your tribe's keeper in origins?
>your tribe
Stop posting and report to the nearest alienage
>he didn’t play through all the origins
Thanks for admitting you literally dont even know what you are talking about here
You have to admit that the Dalish origin is the most boring one.
Ferelden is my tribe, treeBlack person
Fereldens are basically animals lmao. Had to be trained to not street shit by the orlaisen homosexuals but they still do shit like betray their own kings and submit to crazy venatori boomers
>orlesian propaganda
A bunch of DOGmatic barbarians made you frilly sissies run for the hills.
Like, 10 darkspawn made ferelden collapse into anarchy
It's been 400 years since the last time and we were in the middle of civil conflict bro, we summed the tide we did I swear.
keep your fetishes to yourself female hawke/human warden
Depends what mods you install
Ferelden is genuinely obsessed with Mabari, they make the Egyptians look like cat people.
Real life England is 10x more obsessed
>all these Chud dwarf shutters itt
Dwarves will rise again tree licker, there are more of us down here than you realise.
They aren’t dwarf chads. Dwarves think the chantry is moronic
>Magic beyond lyrium weaving and soul internment means nothing to them.
>Technically no fade
I wonder why they wouldn't give a shit.
>Remind me again why anyone with a brain sides with mages again?
Autistic elven pussy
Bethany's is tighter
after I'm through with Merrill without a doubt. doesn't she stay a femcel even after the game?
She becomes the mommy for the Kirkwall alienage so probably. Although it’s implied she will follow Hawke to weisshaupt in search of that Hawke wiener
>why is it always blood magic
There should have been an option to bash Anders’ skull in brutally. He didn’t deserve a clean mercy killing
>See this little skirt chasing rebellious scamp in Amaranthine?
>He's gonna be a homosexual terrorist one day.
>Rebel is a bad guy
Not surprising
it's funny when people say writers bend over backwards to make mages innocent, when orsino turning harvester out of the blue, even while siding with him and defeating the enemies and keeping his mages safe was clearly just done so both sides had an evil leader
in an alternate reality dragon age actually went somewhere cool after origins
instead we're in the reality where we got DA2 and DAI
A lot of mage gays in here today.
>you must be a heckin chud if you side with the templars!!
No, I genocide mages because it's funny. Calm down
Basically the same process the archons have toward you peasants kek
I know we won't be able to make pro Tevinter choices and it's pissing me off
Same. And if you want to be from Tevinter, you need to be part of the lame reformist faction.
If they follow the same formula as every other dragon age game you can side with tevinter chuds but they do le blood magic and you have to fight them anyway or you choose to side with tevinter reformists but the reformists ally with the qunari to win so you have to fight the reformists anyway. BioWare never lets one side be right
>If they follow the same formula as every other dragon age game you can side with tevinter chuds but they do le blood magic and you have to fight them anyway
Gay, but probably true.
The only objectively correct side is to kill any and all mages on sight. No one would bat an eye if you just walked up and shanked a random mage in the streets. You’d probably get a pat on the back and financial compensation. I his is a good thing
The mage would incinerate you and then channel your blood to heal himself to be even healthier than before you stabbed him but no biggie
Mages are wussies and not as fast strong or smart as rogues archers warriors etc. even if your weird fantasy delusion. Everyone else would jump the mage in turn them into a meat pie within 1.2 seconds
lol DA is not sonic you autists. Randos don’t have a chance against mages there is a reason Templar exist. And Templar are just mages themselves whose power comes from mainlining lyrium instead of innate ability
You’re right. Dragon Age is inherently dumb as shit.
You are welcome to depart the thread. One of the muh knight elden ring threads might be more your speed
I’m good, take the pasties of your nipples. You seem a little cranky.
Considering how a few of the 'origins' for your character are anti-Tevinter, it was never going to happen anyway. They've always been portrayed as insane and evil anyway in every game.
The game will barely have anything to do with Tevinter at this point I feel. We'll get to explore Minrathous, free some slaves, kill a few Venatori and meet Dorian, and then it's off the whatever bullshit the game thinks is more important. Will we even get to meet the Black Divine?
I’m hoping we get to see weisshaupt too. I’m not sure how they can make anything dark spawn related fit in with the veil story though unless it turns out the veil and darkspawn are directly related which doesn’t seem to be the case from the timeline
The gameplay leak from a few years ago showed Weisshaupt (and it being raided by darkspawn I think?) so it's definitely there.
the leak is almost certainly from a full development reset ago
the combat looks the exact same as the official one released last week thoughever
The last '' reset '' they did was cutting off all the live service elements. I recall hearing some insider info that companions were added pretty late, but the gameplay leak showed Davrin as a companion at least, so I don't think it can be that old/showcasing the previous incantation of the game that was live service.
If we're fricking with the veil and the fade, there's a good chance we end up in the black city. That comes with a big darkspawn connection that could tie them into the plot.
>there's a good chance we end up in the black city.
considering it's long theorised as the prison for the elven gods who are now breaking out in DAV I think it's highly likely too. We'll get some good lore on their connection to each other.
Hate to say it, but I think this is the Black City.
I really hope I'm wrong because it's lame as frick, but it's where things seem to be pointing.
hmm, I hadn't thought of that but it looks like it could be. It has the elf architecture and blight corruption
uughhhhh Jesus Christ, it absolutely is. Those symbols behind the dragon are the symbols of the Evanuris.
They did the fricking meme thing of showing the finale in the reveal trailer.
I didn't want to believe because the dragon doesn't look Blighted, but that's absolutely Elgar'nan's Archdemon and that's the Black City.
Frick.
How will andrastegays cope with the makers city being an elf city
It's an imitation made by elves envious of the Maker's work and his plans for humans who elves looked down upon (figuratively speaking since elves are shorter)
chantrycucks have been on the rope since day
i dont know why theres unironic chantrygays when it was very obvious way back in DAO where they were gonna go. DAO was made during the peak of New Atheism and its whole selling point was "this aint ur DADS fantasy" so it was of course was going to go with edgy athiesm and making the christianity-like faction evil and incompetent
it was novel in 2008, tired and played out in 2014, let alone 2024
Andraste was a former host of Mythal. She'll get the last laugh in the end.
>Andraste was a former host of Mythal.
I like this theory
Oh, it's absolutely the truth, anon. It probably sounds like schizo shit, but all of the lore supports it.
Just check out her tiara/helmet. Where else have you seen that before?
I cannot see Morrigan suddenly giving a single frick about the chantry
Don't want to quash anyone else's dreams, but basically a fricking hipster vinyl album confirms it.
We were fricking robbed. I hope we get to explore the Blighted Titan at the center of the earth, at least.
How were we robbed? That looks metal. It would have been gay as frick if the golden city was actual heaven with some geezer there who got buttmad some mages visited him and abandoned his house to rats in response
>How were we robbed?
I guess it remains to be seen. The Black City is supposed to be Dragon Age hell (A HUNGER, A CAGE, A YAWNING VOID). Guess I just didn't expect it to be so lame.
>The Black City is supposed to be Dragon Age hell
Is it? It doesn't look that pleasant anyway there are a lot of darkspawn
here
>Is it?
Unironically, yes.
>Where the Maker has turned his face away is a Void in all things.
>A hunger. A cage. A yawning Void.
The Void (The Black City) is basically a place devoid of God's love. The ancient Elves called it a "place of nothing". It's the antithesis to the creation that the Maker begets.
I thought the Chantry believed the city was where he was and it's vacant due to the transgressions of Tevinter magisters. Maybe the area around it is hell but I always got the impression they viewed it as a potential heaven
They believe it was heaven and then turned to hell due to the transgressions of the magisters, that their footsteps literally blackened it. Then that the maker got mad, turned them into dark spawn, and bailed on Thedas
That's how the Chantry knows it, but they're piecing together a story a few thousand years after the fact.
Human history, and by extension the beliefs of the Chantry, is a muddled misremembrance of the Elves' downfall.
The area around it is "The Void" or "The Abyss" depending on which text you're reading, but the Black City itself is a true perversion of nature and the balance of the universe itself, most likely the Void or absence left by the death of the Titan at the center of the earth.
>the maker died
does he come back in 3 10-millenia
He's not dead, he's "left". I'd go way too far into loregayging to explain, but the Maker isn't a being, he represents the natural order of the world and the creation that it begets, before the Evanuris subjugated the Titans and literally corrupted creation itself.
That's always been the popular theory. It was definitely not the Old Gods, though. Elves and the Evanuris are of the Fade, like the dragons of old were. It's most likely that the Evanuris created Red Lyrium (and by extension the Blight) by creating their Orbs from the Titans' hearts, as in
That's what I was referencing. The "Queen Broodmother" is probably the first Titan ever corrupted when the Evanuris killed it, and maybe the actual "Queen" or Mother of them all. There's supposed to be a Queen dragon, after all, and there's opposition in all things.
Solas created the Veil to stop the Evanuris from destroying the world in the first place, so I think the Blight predates that, but obviously it didn't make anything better. Definitely put the Titans to sleep. It contained the Blight for a while, until the Evanuris whispered to men through the Old Gods.
>He's not dead, he's "left"
it's all the same
And the Chantry says he'll return once the Chant is sung from all "four" corners of the earth.
Cole knows everything. Listen to his banter and he basically explains the fabric of the universe.
At one point, all things "sang the same". Red Lyrium has an "angry" song, and it's different from regular Lyrium. Discordant.
Andraste was said to sing all throughout her campaign against Tevinter.
Once everything sings in harmony again, the Maker will return, and creation will begin again.
I wonder if the titans were who the elves were fighting in the war that made the evanuris. Or maybe it was the old gods
It was the evanuris fighting the Titans. Mythal killed one and they mined their corpses for Lyrium which propelled their ascension
for all of Inquisition's fault, at least they got the art direction right.
It’s the andrastian hell. The only people who really believe in it are Orlais ferelden and parts of the free marches
Well, the Andrastians are right in the sense that the Black City represents the world's unmaking.
They don't get every detail right, but they understand the ultimate effect. The Black City is the seat of the Blight, and once it's opened the world will be doomed.
No the blight comes from a queen broodmother somewhere deep in the earth
>queen broodmother
And what's that supposed to be? A titan broodmother? And does it breed anything or just produces the Blight, infecting the flora and fauna?
All darkspawn are birthed from broodmothers go read the calling
the archons weren't
Yes, but aren't broodmothers specialized in birthing particular species? So what would a queen broodmother breed?
The other broodmothers
Those aren't birthed though, they're mutated variants of female individuals of their original species.
There's no way a bunch of troons are keeping broodmothers
Broodmothers are female ghouls. Human-hurlocks, elf-shrieks, dwarf-genlocks and qunari-ogres. For the last part they had to make a story where some qunati made a colony somewhere in the korcari wilds and the darkspawn killed them and snatched some females. Btw that also makes recrauting female wardens a moronic idea or at least sending them to the calling instead of killing them/having them kill themselves when they start deteriorating.
I know hence why there being some 'queen broodmother' makes no sense.
That's just how the Dwarves would understand such a thing. It's a lot more likely they're talking about a Titan without realizing it.
A lot about the grey wardens is moronic. They were literally some worn out soldiers who accidentally stumbled on a way to kill archdemons and the credibility they got from that has allowed them to persist despite having self destructive customs
unless the seperation is what's causing the blight and when the barrier is lifted, the black city will be cleansed?
I mean we always knew we were going to go there. It's been a key part of the lore since the beginning and it's everywhere in the fade and with a game about destroying the fade, it'll show up. It's the classic case of the reapers in mass effect where the mystery is more exciting than the reality but it could be done well.
I will never not be mad that you couldn't frick the milf
I don't care what anyone says bros. I love all dragon age games and find it comfy
it's ok to have brain damage, I guess
Same. I can't even defend DA2 or DA:I as games, but they are peak comfy.
Its simply a bad writing
its not the sane normal mages's fault but these games never let you do exceptions and you WILL have to side one extreme or the other.
This is just wild baseless speculation on my part, but I think they're going to give us a surprise Darkspawn companion late in the game. People loved Legion and they're going to badly try and recreate that.
It should be him especially for the Tevinter connection
I wish, but doubt it.
Architect would be cool.
Dragon Age 2: The Original Awesome-Button Action Adventure KINO that spawned a revolution in RPGs. Thank you EA. Ganker is a Dragon Age 2 and associated games board
Chuds are just lower beings
>Game all but outright states the maker is fake because the golden city is elf shit
>At the end its revealed the maker is in fact real
>But it turns out the chantry had it wrong and the maker is a woman
>Andraste was a lesbian
Brace yourselves, it's coming.
Corrine Busch had to put her mark on gaiders work somehow
It has already happened with troony character creation and being able to disclose your troony status in some dialogue options (which has been confirmed). How did we come to this? You can't even choose your sexuality, which most people would probably rather have so they won't end up accidentally flirting with the same or opposite sex.
>You can't even choose your sexuality
well you can. If you don't try and frick the male characters as a man then you won't be gay. If you're accidentality flirting with men bro then you might be gay
Just because you are not flirting with the same sex doesn't mean your character isn't by default someone who could potentially frick absolutely everyone.
that's no different than if you could choose your characters sexuality, it just happens at a different point in the game
Reminds me of in a BG3 thread the guy complaining it forced him to be gay and it turned out the male npc he was being gay with was the one he created as his fantasy at the start of the game
this was funnier before they rewrote the dream guardian to literally be a gay squid
The emperor is actually a pretty kino character ngl
>they won't end up accidentally flirting with the same or opposite sex.
thats not an issue with bioware games because their kindergarten dialogue wheel shows A BIG PINK HEART over the flirt choices
>Anti-Maker false prophet
Revelations predicted this
how do you remember anything about 12 year old game?
Played it way too much back in the day
autism, reading the wiki and replaying them
Didn’t rot brain with zoomerslop
pretty easily
Currently replaying Origins. Rate my Warden. She will have hardened Leliana eat her dicky and support the mages.
granny slag
Not all mages are crazy monsters and it's stupid to pretend that they are. But the story's themes are completely at odds with itself because of the rushed ending. They mechanically needed enemies and another boss fight so they just made every dumb-ass mage immediately turn into a demon regardless of how little sense it made.
Jowan was considered a poor excuse for a mage who turned to blood magic out of desperation, but it's not like using it is like flipping a switch that just exists to turn you into an abomination in two seconds flat.
broodmother is the canonical bad end for female dragon age MCs