I really hate how it dramatically reduced the need to summon multiple times which meant the part in the alexander jar storyline where he's sad because he only lets himself be summoned once didn't make any fricking sense anymore.
>get to this guy >go through the little cool but jank teleport into his bossfight >oh cool I get to summon a bunch of dudes to help me fight him that's awesome >start dramatic run towards the actual boss with my little army of summons >he one-shots me with spam bullshit I could not have possibly been prepared for from a thousand yards away >have to do the entire approach sequence again every time I want to re-try the fight
I haven't seen a game as deliberately unfun as Elden Ring in a long, long time. Which is a shame, because it has a lot of cool ideas, but doesn't know when to stop doing obnoxious shit and also doesn't give the player any meaningful rewards for putting up with its obnoxious shit.
>you can easily judge giant arrows' travel time from a flat front-facing camera angle and react in time to an attack you weren't prepared for 100% of the time
Are these the same people that beat Dark Souls games and then gloat about it by saying UHHH THE GAME WAS NEVER HARD GUISE?
Besides, the fricking point of my post is that the game expects you to do too much tedious bullshit for too little reward and too often shits the bed on it's cooler moments because the devs can't keep their murderboner in their pants, not because the projectiles are undodgeable or whatever fanfiction you wrote in your head.
to be fair, did you really banzai charge straight towards a legendary weaponmaster soldier-god and expect not to get your shit pushed in by something or another
I fought him too early
I cleared half the Caelid after Stormveil Castle, because know why? Because I couldn't find fricking entrance to Lake in picrel after beating Godrick. (not even talking about going from the bridge side)
Radahn 1.0 going early ingame still was a great experience nonetheless, and I'm not even complaining.
Then I found Foreskin dude and he had thrice of Radahn damage...
How dramatic was it? the biggest thing he got me with was being tricked into thinking it was a horse fight at first because he's pretending to ride one.
his second phase's 4 big purple homing balls used to 1 shot people, which kinda sucked since you had to run around until he used them or risk fighting him and dealing with the shit camera getting you smacked by said balls when you can't see them. nerfed version you can tank all 4 just fine
Most of his hitboxes were made smaller and he had a bit more health pre nerf. Them fixing his hitboxes would have been okay if they made him more difficult in other ways to make up for it, but they just made him easier all-around.
They shrunk his sword hitboxes, which made him way easier since you can avoid a lot of his attacks by just hugging his crotch, pre-patch you got hit there even though visually sword missed by 2+ metres. They also nerfed the accuracy of his ranged attacks.
These changes would have been great. But they exposed fact that Radahn had no hp, and now that players wernt getting wombo combo’d and had could safely land attacks, Radahn dies way too fast,
The nerfs should’ve happened. But they should’ve doubled his hp at the same time. So fight would last a while. Personally I would’ve given x2.5 hp, but also buffed hp and (slightly) damage of the summons. So you can have a huge battle that actually lasts a while, or a lengthy slog if you insist on doing it solo.
Which still wouldn’t be that bad. Radahn hp x2.5 is only 22,500, or same as Elden Beast (without Radagon).
His arrows tracked massively. You can easily hit o/b right before an arrow is close to you and dodge whether on foot or torrent now. Before the nerf, you would die 99% of the time on torrent
all of his attacks his harder up close
Magic was almost always a ohko
God it was kino
After awhile I just basically gave up trying to fight him when he was charged up on gravity magic. I'd straight up just ride away and leave until he was done and then take pot shots at him.
I deeply enjoyed the vibe of the fight. I felt more like either a necromancer or a general just hurling guys at this gigantic unstoppable thing while circling the field and firing soul arrows. Hoping to God I could steal a few hits and not get lit up by a nearly undodgeable rock.
I beat this piece of shit at level 50 because I was hell bent on doing the Lunar covenant quest line as fast as possible because I was utterly convinced the MLGS was waiting for me. I wanted to be one of the first players in the world to be wielding it.
And I was because I spent hours on this piece of shit. God it felt good whittling down his health and finally getting to the second phase. I felt so alive figuring out where to go, who to summon, how to avoid his cheap ass gravity attacks.
I killed him out of sheer brute force by hanging back and summoning everyone I could and casting soul darts at him until I chipped his health away to nothing. I haven't jumped up and down with joy from a boss like this ever in my adult life.
I did end up getting the MLGS early too. It was alright and I enjoyed playing with it for awhile. But I actually found I liked Radahn's swords better in the end, funnily enough.
I only did this fight recently and it was kinda boring
the meteor thing was the only cool part.
Summoning 10 things to gank his ass was pretty disappointing
I remember release-Radahn would absolute annihilate all the npcs because his sword hitboxes were so big he'd hit all of them in one swipe; plus his arrows would kill one or two of them before they even got up the hill
Definitely felt more like a proper festival of warriors. Now the NPCs just beat his ass
It was glorious. You had to fricking hope Alexander didn't just fricking die because he's a giant slow hurt box getting swung on by the biggest hit boxes in the entire game. And that Blaidde would actually get a few hits in before eating shit.
Fighting anything in the game on horseback just feels like janky cheese. I hated fighting those black knight guys on horse because their "arenas" were full of fricking shit to get hung up on and if you accidentally went 5 feet too far away from them they fricking despawned. And those were the fights you were MEANT to do on horseback; trying to fight the maggot face guys on horseback makes them spaz the absolute frick out.
I don't know, they give you a big empty arena for both and are the only ones where they allow you to use the horse outside the open world I think.
I thought you were supposed to use it with them, specially with Radahn, who appears riding a horse himself.
I used the horse and you are so fast and the targets so big that they were honestly a joke, but for what I see barely anyone used the horse for them and I don't get why.
>the NPCs got absolutely shredded
You just summoned them again.
The hard part was surviving the 3 arrows in the beginning and if he isn't targeting you it won't ever hit you.
The fight was never hard lol.
fixing the fricking dog, fixing that time Malenia was somehow even more glitchy and got her HP back by swinging at the air around the player rather than hitting them
Sekiro made enemies drop way more emblems to make tools viable. Before that the build variety was terrible because everything felt too costly for a single attack.
It isn't fixed as it is but it is better for sure.
Radahn is cool but still wasted potential. Manually summoning and resummoning NPCs using repurposed online functionality during the fight distracts from the combat because you're running around looking for signs constantly, and is waaayy too videogamey. Its like the player is supposed to just imagine that a cooler more in-world version of the fight is happening.
The NPC helpers you want for the fight should have been manually chosen before the fight, they spawn in with you from the start, and all with only one life each, with more health to compensate, you can all actually run in at the same time. The player should actually have to recruit these characters from the world. Right now, Blaidd and Alexander will always be there regardless of whether or not you ever interacted with them. This was done correctly in fricking DS2 and was probably the original intention before they scrapped it for accessibility reasons.
Also Radahn should be stronger, way too easy for a raid boss, and for all the hyping up he gets.
> Blaidd and Alexander will always be there regardless of whether or not you ever interacted with them
well yeah, because they're on their own quests independent of what you're doing
That DS2 fight you were referencing sucked because you went in without knowledge of having to go around the world for recruits and died for it, which was pretty shitty method of using deaths to teach the player (the dlc was themed around this as the boss beforehand did it too). The fight was cool, once you had like 3 guys, as 4 made it too easy just like radahn.
You shouldn't need to recruit people for it because everyone fighting is here of their own will. It's why you can even summon Tragoth and that other guy, just renowned tarnished all around.
>This was done correctly in fricking DS2
This dumbass spent time crafting bait for us lol.
You can make a good argument the NPCs shouldn't have to be manually recruited, I think it would make for a unique boss. But the game makes Radahn a result of two questlines for NPCs, you do the shit with Sellen to find out Ranni needs Radahn to die, you let Alexander through the cave or whatever. The effort of doing this is automatically made null when they show up anyway, like I said, it seems like an addition for accessibilities sake because why make questlines complete themselves without the player?
And if you're telling me you actually prefer to spend time during the fight running around the arena looking for summon signs, I don't believe you. There's a reason art of the fight always depicts everyone running in at the same time. Thats what it should be in principle. And why allow them to be resummoned when they could just have more health to start with instead. I'd rather just fight Radahn while I'm in the arena, the summoning should happen before.
I solo radahn on every replay so this doesn't affect me really. Sometimes I'll summon Blaidd or Patches, but he's still balanced around fighting solo if you've got what it takes.
> Blaidd and Alexander will always be there regardless of whether or not you ever interacted with them
well yeah, because they're on their own quests independent of what you're doing
That DS2 fight you were referencing sucked because you went in without knowledge of having to go around the world for recruits and died for it, which was pretty shitty method of using deaths to teach the player (the dlc was themed around this as the boss beforehand did it too). The fight was cool, once you had like 3 guys, as 4 made it too easy just like radahn.
You shouldn't need to recruit people for it because everyone fighting is here of their own will. It's why you can even summon Tragoth and that other guy, just renowned tarnished all around.
it’s weird that people still think he’s nerfed when they undid most of it 2 patches later
The only nerf that is still there is a fix for his moronic hitboxes on the wombo combo attack where even if you rolled it correctly it would still end up stunlocking you
I defeated him pre nerf. It was glorious. My favorite boss in all of soulsborne.
Arriving at the festival with everyone being there was a magical experience
I really hate how it dramatically reduced the need to summon multiple times which meant the part in the alexander jar storyline where he's sad because he only lets himself be summoned once didn't make any fricking sense anymore.
in lore do the summons die for real or something, are they from an alternate universe? i dont get it
He got summoned once, got his ass clapped, and then was too cowardly to put his sign down again
You will eat from shit, from is never wrong and does nothing bad, only perfection. It was perfect on release and it's perfect now.
Agreed
Same thing with Puppet Master in Lies of Pee
Fricking reddit and Ganker crying so much they ruin the culmination point boss
>get to this guy
>go through the little cool but jank teleport into his bossfight
>oh cool I get to summon a bunch of dudes to help me fight him that's awesome
>start dramatic run towards the actual boss with my little army of summons
>he one-shots me with spam bullshit I could not have possibly been prepared for from a thousand yards away
>have to do the entire approach sequence again every time I want to re-try the fight
I haven't seen a game as deliberately unfun as Elden Ring in a long, long time. Which is a shame, because it has a lot of cool ideas, but doesn't know when to stop doing obnoxious shit and also doesn't give the player any meaningful rewards for putting up with its obnoxious shit.
>he one-shots me with spam bullshit I could not have possibly been prepared for from a thousand yards away
Highly doubt you got one shot
Arrows have travel time, you can EASILY see them coming at you anon... what the hell?
>you can easily judge giant arrows' travel time from a flat front-facing camera angle and react in time to an attack you weren't prepared for 100% of the time
Are these the same people that beat Dark Souls games and then gloat about it by saying UHHH THE GAME WAS NEVER HARD GUISE?
Besides, the fricking point of my post is that the game expects you to do too much tedious bullshit for too little reward and too often shits the bed on it's cooler moments because the devs can't keep their murderboner in their pants, not because the projectiles are undodgeable or whatever fanfiction you wrote in your head.
to be fair, did you really banzai charge straight towards a legendary weaponmaster soldier-god and expect not to get your shit pushed in by something or another
>easily
yeah no
unless you're like an fps god which i doubt you are, nobody thinks these are slow lol. frickin dork.
it's the game's fault you're bad and casual and cant git gud?
Fighting him now is too easy, I think the problem was people going to him way too early and not knowing what to do and also not leveling VIG.
I fought him too early
I cleared half the Caelid after Stormveil Castle, because know why? Because I couldn't find fricking entrance to Lake in picrel after beating Godrick. (not even talking about going from the bridge side)
I think you might be dumb
>didn't just walk forward to the massive door
These are the people that get games dumbed down nowadays
Radahn 1.0 going early ingame still was a great experience nonetheless, and I'm not even complaining.
Then I found Foreskin dude and he had thrice of Radahn damage...
You literally walk forward after beating godrick anon…
you are one of the dumbest homies I have ever seen
How dramatic was it? the biggest thing he got me with was being tricked into thinking it was a horse fight at first because he's pretending to ride one.
his second phase's 4 big purple homing balls used to 1 shot people, which kinda sucked since you had to run around until he used them or risk fighting him and dealing with the shit camera getting you smacked by said balls when you can't see them. nerfed version you can tank all 4 just fine
Most of his hitboxes were made smaller and he had a bit more health pre nerf. Them fixing his hitboxes would have been okay if they made him more difficult in other ways to make up for it, but they just made him easier all-around.
They never touched his health.
Radahn always had no hp.
They shrunk his sword hitboxes, which made him way easier since you can avoid a lot of his attacks by just hugging his crotch, pre-patch you got hit there even though visually sword missed by 2+ metres. They also nerfed the accuracy of his ranged attacks.
These changes would have been great. But they exposed fact that Radahn had no hp, and now that players wernt getting wombo combo’d and had could safely land attacks, Radahn dies way too fast,
The nerfs should’ve happened. But they should’ve doubled his hp at the same time. So fight would last a while. Personally I would’ve given x2.5 hp, but also buffed hp and (slightly) damage of the summons. So you can have a huge battle that actually lasts a while, or a lengthy slog if you insist on doing it solo.
Which still wouldn’t be that bad. Radahn hp x2.5 is only 22,500, or same as Elden Beast (without Radagon).
His arrows tracked massively. You can easily hit o/b right before an arrow is close to you and dodge whether on foot or torrent now. Before the nerf, you would die 99% of the time on torrent
all of his attacks his harder up close
Magic was almost always a ohko
God it was kino
his arrows were insane and his sword hitboxes on a few of his gravity attacks were massive
After awhile I just basically gave up trying to fight him when he was charged up on gravity magic. I'd straight up just ride away and leave until he was done and then take pot shots at him.
Same, he was a patience boss. But release-Radahn remains one of the best fights they've done
I deeply enjoyed the vibe of the fight. I felt more like either a necromancer or a general just hurling guys at this gigantic unstoppable thing while circling the field and firing soul arrows. Hoping to God I could steal a few hits and not get lit up by a nearly undodgeable rock.
they nerfed him? fricking why?
i played it at launch and he was not that difficult. died maybe 3 times to him.
Would be nice if they nurfed more bosses.
I beat this piece of shit at level 50 because I was hell bent on doing the Lunar covenant quest line as fast as possible because I was utterly convinced the MLGS was waiting for me. I wanted to be one of the first players in the world to be wielding it.
And I was because I spent hours on this piece of shit. God it felt good whittling down his health and finally getting to the second phase. I felt so alive figuring out where to go, who to summon, how to avoid his cheap ass gravity attacks.
I killed him out of sheer brute force by hanging back and summoning everyone I could and casting soul darts at him until I chipped his health away to nothing. I haven't jumped up and down with joy from a boss like this ever in my adult life.
I did end up getting the MLGS early too. It was alright and I enjoyed playing with it for awhile. But I actually found I liked Radahn's swords better in the end, funnily enough.
Agree. The fight was so fun, glad I beat him on release patch
The arrow nerf was justified the rest was overkill
I only did this fight recently and it was kinda boring
the meteor thing was the only cool part.
Summoning 10 things to gank his ass was pretty disappointing
I remember release-Radahn would absolute annihilate all the npcs because his sword hitboxes were so big he'd hit all of them in one swipe; plus his arrows would kill one or two of them before they even got up the hill
Definitely felt more like a proper festival of warriors. Now the NPCs just beat his ass
It was glorious. You had to fricking hope Alexander didn't just fricking die because he's a giant slow hurt box getting swung on by the biggest hit boxes in the entire game. And that Blaidde would actually get a few hits in before eating shit.
>Patches unsummoning himself after like a minute
I lold when I saw that
I don't know what I expected
That's the gist of the thread, anon. Boss is way more boring now that he doesnt fricking shred everything
the halcyon days of pre-nerf Moonveil
*bows politely*
*heals your dutifully*
*throws pots savagely*
Am I the only one who fought this guy and the fire giant on horse and trivialized the entire fight?
it was a lot harder to fight him on the horse pre-nerf
Fighting anything in the game on horseback just feels like janky cheese. I hated fighting those black knight guys on horse because their "arenas" were full of fricking shit to get hung up on and if you accidentally went 5 feet too far away from them they fricking despawned. And those were the fights you were MEANT to do on horseback; trying to fight the maggot face guys on horseback makes them spaz the absolute frick out.
I don't know, they give you a big empty arena for both and are the only ones where they allow you to use the horse outside the open world I think.
I thought you were supposed to use it with them, specially with Radahn, who appears riding a horse himself.
I used the horse and you are so fast and the targets so big that they were honestly a joke, but for what I see barely anyone used the horse for them and I don't get why.
Of course I fought him on horseback, how else can my sword reach his head than torrent's jump?
Is there a way to fight him pre-patch again? If I have the disk can I stay offline, delete all the game data and go about it that way?
I am pretty sure they undid the nerfs a few patches later
>summon two players
>send them back when the fight starts
>radahn now has 19k hp
>the festival summons feel balanced now
The nerf didn't matter he still folded to 6 people beating him up even before the patches.
he really fricking didn't, the NPCs got absolutely shredded, hence why you could resummon them multiple times
>the NPCs got absolutely shredded
You just summoned them again.
The hard part was surviving the 3 arrows in the beginning and if he isn't targeting you it won't ever hit you.
The fight was never hard lol.
name a single good boss/enemy nerf in the history of games.
those bleed dogs that got off like 10 bleed procs at once in this same game
that was more a bugfix than a nerf, wasn't it?
shitty hitboxes might as well be a bug too
fixing the fricking dog, fixing that time Malenia was somehow even more glitchy and got her HP back by swinging at the air around the player rather than hitting them
In elden ring, the selia mine used to have a fricking fully grown falling star beast, which was replaced by a normal one in a patch
Sekiro made enemies drop way more emblems to make tools viable. Before that the build variety was terrible because everything felt too costly for a single attack.
It isn't fixed as it is but it is better for sure.
The nerfs for Lies of P made the game so much easier, so damn disappointing.
Radahn is cool but still wasted potential. Manually summoning and resummoning NPCs using repurposed online functionality during the fight distracts from the combat because you're running around looking for signs constantly, and is waaayy too videogamey. Its like the player is supposed to just imagine that a cooler more in-world version of the fight is happening.
The NPC helpers you want for the fight should have been manually chosen before the fight, they spawn in with you from the start, and all with only one life each, with more health to compensate, you can all actually run in at the same time. The player should actually have to recruit these characters from the world. Right now, Blaidd and Alexander will always be there regardless of whether or not you ever interacted with them. This was done correctly in fricking DS2 and was probably the original intention before they scrapped it for accessibility reasons.
Also Radahn should be stronger, way too easy for a raid boss, and for all the hyping up he gets.
>too videogamey
You can make a good argument the NPCs shouldn't have to be manually recruited, I think it would make for a unique boss. But the game makes Radahn a result of two questlines for NPCs, you do the shit with Sellen to find out Ranni needs Radahn to die, you let Alexander through the cave or whatever. The effort of doing this is automatically made null when they show up anyway, like I said, it seems like an addition for accessibilities sake because why make questlines complete themselves without the player?
And if you're telling me you actually prefer to spend time during the fight running around the arena looking for summon signs, I don't believe you. There's a reason art of the fight always depicts everyone running in at the same time. Thats what it should be in principle. And why allow them to be resummoned when they could just have more health to start with instead. I'd rather just fight Radahn while I'm in the arena, the summoning should happen before.
I solo radahn on every replay so this doesn't affect me really. Sometimes I'll summon Blaidd or Patches, but he's still balanced around fighting solo if you've got what it takes.
> Blaidd and Alexander will always be there regardless of whether or not you ever interacted with them
well yeah, because they're on their own quests independent of what you're doing
That DS2 fight you were referencing sucked because you went in without knowledge of having to go around the world for recruits and died for it, which was pretty shitty method of using deaths to teach the player (the dlc was themed around this as the boss beforehand did it too). The fight was cool, once you had like 3 guys, as 4 made it too easy just like radahn.
You shouldn't need to recruit people for it because everyone fighting is here of their own will. It's why you can even summon Tragoth and that other guy, just renowned tarnished all around.
>This was done correctly in fricking DS2
He's referring to the ivory king boss fight, which did actually do this well
This dumbass spent time crafting bait for us lol.
it’s weird that people still think he’s nerfed when they undid most of it 2 patches later
The only nerf that is still there is a fix for his moronic hitboxes on the wombo combo attack where even if you rolled it correctly it would still end up stunlocking you
Just watch a video of someone doing a no damage run. It will help you a ton.
The best boss in the game will always be Melania, discounting her anime slash.
I defeated him pre nerf. It was glorious. My favorite boss in all of soulsborne.
Arriving at the festival with everyone being there was a magical experience