>they retcon'd Lusamine because she was too crazy for a pokemon game
Why did they do this bros
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>they retcon'd Lusamine because she was too crazy for a pokemon game
>they retcon'd Lusamine because she was too crazy for a pokemon game
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Because she's female. They have no problems with dudes like Cyrus or Ghetsis going off the rails.
too unrealistic. She's not sum trailer trash white woman
The fact that they made a character like Lusamine at all in 2016 Pokémon is astounding. Compare Gen I to FRLG to LGPE. Each remake is steadily more plastic, saccharine, and safe. It's not like early Pokémon was edgy, but it had just the right amount of grit to be interesting.
PLA addressed this somewhat
how
PLA focused a lot on people being scared of Pokemon because they genuinely kill people. Akari almost died because a Shinx decided to shock her. The entire game you go from seeing people cowering in fear at even seeing a Wurmple because they are ignorant of Pokemon (I don't know how considering Pokemon seem to have been around just as long as humans) to the entire town being filled with people and Pokemon coexisting. They even consider Professor Laventon a radical and most of the Galaxy Team are looked at like they're crazy because they have Pokemon partners.
>and most of the Galaxy Team are looked at like they're crazy because they have Pokemon partners.
Only by other people in the Galaxy settlement. The Diamond and Pearl clans thought Galaxy was weird because they used Pokeballs to hold Pokemon instead of just having a friendship with them.
Both clans thought they were crazy for having more than one Pokemon partner and Pearl's entire issue was that they were neglecting the extra Pokemon they caught. Yeah, both clans had a slightly different outlook on Pokemon but even they were afraid of a lot of them and a lot of areas.
Is there a reason pokemon would kill people in this era compared to the present? Do pokemon kill people in the "modern" times?
>Do pokemon kill people in the "modern" times?
Why do you think in every single game you're told not to go into the tall grass without a Pokemon?
Oh jesus I was a kid then. never thought about it. I thought they'd just beat you to a pulp and leave you
They're wild animals and pokemon carry all kinds of disease
They're only ever shown to carry one exceedingly rare pathogen which seems to be entirely beneficial to their health and fitness, and it doesn't seem to be transmissible to humans.
I mean gameplay wise that's pretty much what they do anyway (or do to you pokèmon) when you lose.
Realistically though, a bunch of pokèmon are predators and even those that aren't will likely have something in their pokedex entry that makes them fricking lethal
I NEED to kiss Akari.
Yeah, actually blew my mind. I never expected them to listen to feedback. PLA has no Kanto pandering either, it's exactly like how the games used to be pre-Gen VI.
They were willing to explicitly acknowledge old background lore that seems to cause a shitfit among English speakers because while it was common knowledge in Japan, it's practically never mentioned elsewhere. Not only that, they're willing to use words like "die" and "death" in a proper context instead of skirting around it.
What old background lore?
pokemon don't turn into energy and get sucked into a pokeball. they turn real small
So modern Pokeballs are a recent improvement on an old concept? There's no doubt what's going on there is matter to energy/data conversion (and vice versa), otherwise how would the PC system work? Bet that's why Silph Co were the ones to make Porygon, they're the premier producer of the new tech.
In short, the energy was an anime creation, and the anime came out over a year after the games did. Concept art and an early lore book by Game Freak details that all Pokémon possess the ability to shrink (the word used is the same as the move Minimize), but it's like how any Pokémon with a mouth can hypothetically bite but not necessarily use the word Bite. It's the reason they're called Pocket Monsters. Poké Balls are just cheap little gachapon containers. You can see the Pokémon shrink and expand in most games, particularly the early ones where there aren't any fancy lighting effects. Poké Balls were also originally not designed with a hinge, it was added in later material. That's why early art, concept art, and Gen I/II shows the ball halves splitting apart entirely.
The idea that the Poké Ball turns Pokémon into energy/data doesn't make sense when you consider the old lore of Apricorn balls being made from hollowed out fruits. They wouldn't have had computers back then. People seem to not like the idea of Pokémon being tiny little monsters stuck in plastic balls though since the series has leaned hard into the friendship angle over the years, especially once Gen VI hit with Affection (and by the Switch games, Affection was automatically baked in). PLA espouses a more classic worldview of Pokémon than we've seen in the past decade, and I think it's a return to form in a way.
So are PCs basically just miniature teleporters that warp Balls and other items back and forth?
More or less.
When you first get to Bill's house you find him trying and failing to expand it to human teleportation. Which also answers why you still need to use Fly instead of warping at any PC.
But like I said, the PC system treats them as data/energy implicitly. I suppose you could say that ONLY the PC does so, but that raises the question of why Silph Co made Porygon rather than Bill. Or was the PC called something else in Japan too? I admit, I'm clueless on the original overseas lore.
But from what you've told me, it seems to me that the true intent was something like this:
>Classically, Pokemon are simply stored in whatever sort of capsule you can find
>Silph Co., or some unnamed competitor, decides to try and apply some burgeoning matter-to-energy conversion tech to this age-old concept
>Some contrivance of how Pokemon works renders them (and inanimate objects) the only things you can reliably put through matter to energy conversion
>This ease in converting Pokemon may be related to the shrinking, so this instinct Pokemon have of seeing a small space and attempting to hide in it is harnessed by having the new Pokeballs imitate the design of the old Pokeballs
>Silph Co. releases this miraculous new product, a unified line of Pokeballs that work just as well as the originals and can have improved, computerized designs
>This allows the diversification of Pokeballs into new places that were infeasible to create by traditional methods- there isn't a Master Ball in PLA
>Bill sees the matter to energy conversion and applies the concept to create the Pokemon Storage System, sort of saving Silph Co's ass
>Seriously, if he hadn't made it possible to transport Pokemon as data, Silph Co.'s pokeballs would likely have been relegated to overpriced hobbyist pieces
Oh and of course, forgot a step
>A couple years down the line, after the big wave of adoption, the parties working on the Pokemon Storage System manage to integrate the conversion tech into the PC itself
>This allows more old fashioned Pokeballs to function with the PC system, hence the seamless introduction of Apricorn-derived Pokeballs to the system in gen 2, despite their non-presence in gen 1
I realize a lot of this is just me attempting to explain in post what GF probably weren't even thinking of, but it feels like a pretty neat theory.
Porygon is the first artificial Pokémon. I don't remember if any lore ever existed for it being tied to Silph Co. Silph seemed to be responsible for manufacturing a number of things going by old art where their S logo is present. You have to think of Porygon more as a product of its time. Pokémon was designed as a contemporary game, it was basically a fictional version of our world (complete with mentioning real life locations like Kanto, America, India, China, Guyana, etc. and alluding to real world events like the moon landing, Challenger, and Gulf War with Lt. Surge). In the 80s and 90s, there was a huge passion to push the boundary of graphics and create 3D CG. People kept pushing the boundaries of what computers could produce. Porygon is a Pokémon that exists in that same spirit. It also has the utility of being potentially used in experiments unfitting for organic life, like space travel.
The PC in Pokémon exists for practical purposes. The player needs an easy way to store a large number of Pokémon. A lot of Bill's lore ties to lore introduced in that 1996 book. He attended Celadon University, a location that is mentioned many times across early Japanese Pokémon media, and his Japanese dialect fits a Kansai native, which is referenced in Gen II when it reveals he's from Johto. I don't know all the lore for exactly how the storage system works though.
>Porygon is the first artificial Pokémon
Until Golett and Golurk came along and retconned that.
A lot of lore seems to have been retconned. Pokémon were proven to have existed 2 million years ago going by fossil records, and more were discovered over time. They existed alongside real animals. By the 1800s, there were about 80 known species, and in France, a "Count Tajirin" was the first person to try and document them.
>Until Golett and Golurk came along and retconned that.
Nah, there were a bunch of artificial pokemon before the Golett line, hell Grimer is also a sort of artificial pokemon as well then you have Castform in gen 3.
Also Porygon was never said to be the first
I wouldn't count Grimer or Magnemite since they seemed to arise naturally in urban environments. Humans may have had a role in them existing, but they come off to me more as mutations than as intentional creations.
>I don't remember if any lore ever existed for it being tied to Silph Co.
The Upgrade is explicitly made by Silph Co, and the Dubious Disc is presumably dubious because it's an "upgrade" from an unofficial source. Logic dictates that Silph Co are the ones behind Porygon as well, no? Otherwise, they'd be hijacking someone else's creation with their own unsanctioned upgrade. (Side note: If this IS the case, it might make a neat plot if the original creator of Porygon stepped forward after a few years of letting Silph get away with basically hijacking his creation. Maybe this would justify a branching evolution for Porygon.)
That said, I do see what you mean as far as Porygon being a Pokemon strongly thematically linked to the era where the Pokemon world mirrored ours rather than being much more its own thing. I still believe that its canon has value, and will retain this value until otherwise contradicted.
>Silph seemed to be responsible for manufacturing a number of things going by old art where their S logo is present.
Fair enough, I wasn't implying Silph would've tanked without Bill intervening, just that Pokeballs would've been a significantly weaker product without a way to attract people to convert other than "marginally better rate of capture and a lighter design due to being made of modern materials".
The lore behind the Dubious disc being unofficial/cracked/leaked software and getting to see Porygon-Z's spazzy weirdo animations made me a new fan after never caring about the Porygon line before.
Based. I was already a computer nerd with a soft spot for early CG that only grew with time, so Porygon always seemed like my kind of thing, but I can respect coming into your love for it over Z in particular.
>People seem to not like the idea of Pokémon being tiny little monsters stuck in plastic balls
Honestly, the manga, at least of what I've read, has the "pokemon just shrink down to fit inside the ball" and they seem to do a good job of not making it look like absolute hell for the pokemon with the latter reacting to what's going on outside of the ball and interacting with their trainers while inside.
I'm kind of surprised that the manga is this competent given everything else Pokemon related (I've only read up to Ruby/Sapphire so far)
I thought you were talking about people-pokemon relationships, that frosslass quest
>Each remake is steadily more plastic, saccharine, and safe.
Anon, this isn't FF7R we're talking about. The only thing that changed was the visual aesthetic and in the case of LGPE the capture mechanics.
If you believe the remakes were "plastic, saccharine, and safe" then you believe the original was too.
It is absolutely more plastic. Megumi Mizutani is the artist for LGPE, and she's been around since Gen I for the TCG, her art is fine. But she was clearly chosen for her softer style for LGPE. I can see the vision of Gen I. I don't like the word gritty, but it has way more personality. Did you know that as the games progressed, they scrubbed away words like war from Lt. Surge's dialogue and replaced it with "battle"? Or references to him being American? Gen I Pokémon wears its interests and inspirations on its sleeves. I see the inspiration from Ultraman and kaiju and Akira. I've seen Sugimori's stand-in character in the Game Freak office gushing about how cute he made the girls (by the way, they replaced the "cute girls" line from the dirty old man outside Celadon Gym in HGSS with "strong Trainers"). They're in a weird limbo now where they're allowing themselves to make entertaining references again, but the games are definitely more plastic. I'm surprised they even reference a war with Kalos. There are interviews around LGPE where Masuda says that the games were too complicated and he wanted to make them easier and for parents to be able to feel comfortable that their child was playing a safe game.
>I'm surprised they even reference a war with Kalos. There are interviews around LGPE where Masuda says that the games were too complicated and he wanted to make them easier and for parents to be able to feel comfortable that their child was playing a safe game.
I think Kalos suffers the most from this current direction. It has a-lot of callouts to European conflicts and social issues, but its all found in npcs or background details that kids or casual players are going to miss.
SwSh similarly has some vague allusions to climate change but Leon does everything for you off-screen so you're asked to not actually think about anything.
I can kinda forgive XY's issues because they also had to convert literally every single pokemon to date, and all the new ones, into 3D models so obviously there wouldn't be as much time for the meat of the game. And I like kalos as a region. But XY has some serious problems.
Same
XY is genuinely one of the modern pokemon games I would look forward to them doing a remake of just because I feel they would finally give that game the time it needed to become what it could have been. As it stands now, it's just a half-baked product that falls flat on its face. Though I'm also sure Gamefreak doesn't have it in them to remake notParis/Lumiose, because that entire city is just labyrinthian by Gamefreak terms and they prefer simplicity. It's certainly the largest city they've ever made, though.
It will be outsourced and it will be "faithful" just like BDSP was, down to every last drop of cut content.
>BDSP outsold every other remake
Clown world.
That's the downside to the switch sales bonus, games that deserve to sell well do but so do games that shouldn't.
I'm just glad PLA is also doing great despite The Pokémon Company sending it out to die.
I really hope they continue Legends as a series. A Legends Unova would be fantastic for the opportunity to introduce the original dragon let alone an original Genesect.
>instead of a Gen 5 remake that's going to be inferior they do a legends game instead
Brilliant
Are they going to do the exact same premise again (Isekai’d chosen one) or are we going to get the chance to play someone who belongs in the era you think?
Hard to make an isekai plot without a god.
>grit
>pokemon
if you're gonna be a manchild at least own up to it
they really should've stuck to that
she was solid.
Everything about Sun and Moon was completely batshit when you think about it.
That's why is so good despite being piss easy
I said Sun and Moon were good back when they were still new and got shitted on for it. I haven't played a Pokemon game since they came out and prior to that I hadn't fricked with Pokemon since Ruby and Sapphire. Sun and Moon were the only games to get me to try Pokemon again. It was an enjoyable enough experience despite being too easy but I wish they had done Alolan forms of classic Pokemon. I thought that was a cool idea and was a little disappointed at how few Pokemon they actually followed through on the idea with.
Regional forms are a cancer that needs to be wiped out.
Regional forms are fine, they just need to cut it out with gen 1 regional forms and use that opportunity to also give Pokemon in older gens regional evolutions. PLA was a good example just have better designs. Ursaluna is a great example of a good one while Overquil is an example of a mess. Why not do a Dunsparce evolution? A baby form for Tropius? A Durant evolution where it turns into a flying ant? They have so many single-tier Pokemon they can touch, Sir Fetch'd was great, same deal with Cursola.
Ursaluna only looks stupid from the front.
>Ursaluna is a great example of a good one
Ursaluna is just a straight up evo of regular ursaring my dude.
It's still different enough from Ursaring. But my point is that regional forms are not the issue here because they can introduce fun new evolutions. It's the fact that they seem to love to stick to gen 1 whenever they do this when they have a whole other seven gens to work with in terms of figuring out something to give evolutions or baby forms to. Meowth didn't need two variants, Grimer didn't need a variant that was basically the exact same thing for both Grimer and Muk. Introduce a completely new Pokemon evolution, don't just make the same thing but with a new color. I'd much rather have Pokemon with no evos getting an evo.
>It's still different enough from Ursaring
Well yeah, it's an evolution, it's meant to be. It's just not a evolution of a regional form like Sneasler, Obstagoon or Mr. Rime.
Get what I'm saying?
It's a regional evolution though. It still follows the same notions as a regional variant. Corsola into Cursola is another example. Yes, it's an evolution locked to Hisui but it's still following the same concept.
>. It still follows the same notions as a regional variant.
No? That's like saying something like weavile is a regional variant.
It doesn't evolve from a Hisuan Ursaring.
It only evolves in Hisui from an Ursaring. It's basically a Lefeon or Glaceon but locked to a region. You can't get them anywhere else and a normal Ursaring in Johto can't become it because it requires an object from Hisui and specific areas in Hisui to do it.
>It's basically a Lefeon or Glaceon but locked to a region.
That's what I'm saying, there was a time when Leafeon and Glaceon were exclusive sinnoh but you wouldn't call them sinnoh regional exclusives would you?
At the time they were until they started sticking random rocks into every game going forward or letting you use Leaf/Ice stones on Eevees. This game also treated it like a regional variant rather than something like either of those. Petlil isn't any different but Lilligant is but you'd call the latter a regional variant rather than an evolution like you are Ursaluna.
>Petlil isn't any different but Lilligant is but you'd call the latter a regional variant rather than an evolution like you are Ursaluna.
It's almost like there's an existing Lilligant or something.
Yeah, but the Petlil has no difference and it only becomes that variant in Hisui when evolving. It's the exact same concept in terms of function. Ursaring can't become Ursaluna unless it's in Hisui in specific areas using a Peat Rock when a specific moon type is showing much like Petlil can't become Hisuian Lilligant unless it's in Hisui in the first place even though the Petlil is the same.
>but the Petlil has no difference and it only becomes that variant in Hisui when evolving
Exactly. It evolves into a variant of an existing pokemon.
Ursaring evolves into a new pokemon entirely.
>Ursaring evolves into a new pokemon entirely.
Yeah, but only in Hisui under very specific conditions. It's a region-specific evolution that isn't found in any other region. But again this is just a circular argument now since it still ties back to the Glaceon/Lefeon distinction since we could argue those were originally Sinnoh Eevee variants due to the rock requirement.
>but only in Hisui under very specific conditions
It's under a full moon with an item. It's no more specific than other time based evolutions.
>It's a region-specific evolution that isn't found in any other region.
That's because we haven't had another game with it yet.
You shouldn't be having this much trouble understanding this.
We just need to see if it exists in the next game Ursaring does. If it doesn’t, it was a regional evolution. Simple as that.
>It's under a full moon with an item.
You also have to be in two specific parts of Hisui if I remember right, the other three maps don't let you do it.
I completely understand what you're talking about. It's an evo to Ursaring so that's what we should consider it. I'm saying that it's an evo only found in one region and they established this in the game because you can only do it in certain maps. Right now we're at what
said since we don't know if it's exclusive or not. If it isn't then it's regional exclusive, if it is then it's just a normal evolution you can do any time.
>You also have to be in two specific parts of Hisui if I remember right
No, it's literally just the moon and peat block.
You can be anywhere.
Yeah, you're right. I was confusing it where you can easily find a Peat Block for some reason. So then yeah, you make more sense and I'm wrong.
It's all good dude, you understand now
>You also have to be in two specific parts of Hisui
No you don't. Even if you can't see the full moon on a map it'll still be registered as having the criteria met and can be evolved anywhere
NTA but the difference between Lilligant and Ursaluna is that Ursaluna didn't exist prior while Lilligant had a version before PLA's Hisuan version.
brown anime bear bear looks like a asian brown bear
what is the problem?
You want Durant to go flying ant? Bug/Flying? That typing is so bad. I try to love Vespiquen, Scyther, and Yanmega, but that typing is ass
If they were just recolors I would agree with you but they're actually changing aspects of their design to make something new out of something old and in the case of a few galar variants they even get new evos.
Regional forms are one of the best additions in the entire series. I just wish someone of them were more creative than just lolsillyhair
I can fix her
Sun/moon was kino. Gen 6 and 8 were complete trash
glad im not the only one with this opinion. Even without considering dexit gen 8 was fricking abysmal and gen 6 was such uninspired trash they skipped the third version. ORAS were fricking garbage too. Bad enough that I pirated sun before actually buying it after realizing I enjoyed the game.
gen 7 has some great designs, cute girls, does some new stuff like totem battles that were actually good (if not always well executed), etc. I was really hopeful that gen 6 was just a flub like early gen 4 and the franchise was going to be back on track but since we've gotten a relentless torrent of dogshit games ever since it looks like the franchise is dead.
>gen 6 was such uninspired trash they skipped the third version.
They skipped it because they were making SM for the anniversary. God, everything about gen 7 was a travesty.
definitely the best after the ds era ill give it that
Sun and Moon are great games if you're playing them for a story-driven jrpg where the player just mostly observes the plot, less so for an adventure.
USUM are the hardest games in the franchise, which may or may not being saying much, but it does give them merit.
>USUM are the hardest games in the franchise
I thought that was Emerald? (in Nuzlocke anyway, and 99% of that is Tate and Liza.)
to hardcore nuzlocke if you level cap at totems too its definitely usum and blind ultra necrozma is the biggest run killer in the series
>Emerald
It's been almost twenty years since I've played Emerald, but I doubt it's more difficult, nuzlocke or not, than USUM. USUM's boss fights have optimal EV spreads.
This is Guzma's post-game team, for example
Golisopod (Lv. 68) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: Sucker Punch/Waterfall/First Impression/Brick Break) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/252/252/0/0/0
Vikavolt (Lv. 68) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Flash Cannon/Thunderbolt/Bug Buzz/Energy Ball) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 252/0/0/252/0/0
Pinsir (Lv. 68) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: Throat Chop/Storm Throw/X-Scissor/Stone Edge) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/252/0/0/0/252
Masquerain (Lv. 68) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Air Slash/Bug Buzz/Ice Beam/Energy Ball) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/0/0/252/0/252
Scizor (Lv. 68) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: X-Scissor/Iron Head/Night Slash/Bullet Punch) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/252/0/0/0/252
Nope. Mega Necrozma is the most bullshit story fight in Pokemon history.
It was built around the EXP ALL mechanic so of course its going 5o be difficult it you turn it off
Just remove the hand-holding in Gen7 and the games are solid
FRICK no.
Gen 7 is literal visual novel-tier, you can't just pick up and play. Even when the game's extremely linear already, some homosexual stops you at the beginning/end of EVERY single route forcing you to smash A just to get through and actually play this dogshit pile of a gen.
SM/USUM were fricking terrible, shitters would rather read visual novels as long as it wasn't gen 8.
Don't care, the girls were cute.
>Do care, the girls were mid
ftfy
Based BTFOing that coomer's post LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bitches was mid as fuuuucc
So
Like literally every pokemon game?
No. I assume you haven't actually played Sun and Moon versus other games previously in the series. The amount of handholding and slow forced conversation bullshit in Sun and Moon is unprecedented. It is ridiculously slow and handholdy, far, far more than any Pokemon that came before it.
>excessive hand holding
>unkippable dialogs
>lineal as hell
Yep that is pokemon
The difference is that gen 7 had a slightly more interesting story and hot waifus
>The difference is that gen 7 had a slightly more interesting story and hot waifus
A-lot of the interruptions in this game have nothing to do with the plot at all. Sometimes they'll force you to play some little mini-game in the middle of the road, like Rotom Camera, Rotom Lottery, Festival Plaza, or the the 4-Way free for all mode. Features like Contests used to be optional, but Gen 7 its like they want you to do every little thing like your on some tour.
Gen 1/2 is the only time you could skip tutorials and do things out of sequence.
I still don't get how you go from the best online experience in gen6 to whatever the hell they were doing with gen7
Somebody post that interview where GF talks about why they don't carry over systems from previous games.
Are there morons that actually can't conceptualize magnitude or are you just pretending? Everything you have claimed others doing is relatively miniscule to Sun and Moon's ability to waste your time with cutscenes.
Alola is way worse. Imagine walking down hallways for most of the game with characters blocking most optional areas until later and cutscenes. It's a guided tour. The most complex a route gets is having a some small loop the leads you to exactly the same place 5 seconds later, or being split into two halves so that it looks visually complex, but you realize you can only do one half at a time and both halves are exceedingly simplistic.
You cannot do anything out of order. There is a roadblock every step of the way. Imagine the Pewter City guy blocking Route 3, except he appears for fricking everywhere and everything.
In concept, I don't mind Pokemon games getting oblique and stupid with their roadblocks. Ultimately there is an order you're meant to do each route and town and gym in, and there's no real harm in making the player follow it.
My issue with gen 7 is that everything feels like it's designed so that you run into the wacky and uncharacteristic roadblock before you go on your way. Even if you follow the unwritten rules and just go with the flow, you will run into most of the roadblocks. And even the non-optional cutscenes take fricking FOREVER.
Also, they have the Rotom Pokédex on your bottom screen at all times. He's always in map mode where he shows the next destination with a marker, except when he starts talking to remind you to go to the next designated location every 3 minutes if you're not doing it. I'm surprised that they didn't force Affection in this game and waited until LGPE. Affection gives you free crits, free status heals, bonus experience, and free endures. Every Switch game since has had it. They seemed to be scared that parents found Pokémon to be too scary and challenging for their children and wanted them to see games like LGPE as safe. This was also the game that introduced "co-op", which was just their way of saying 2v1 battles with you being the 2, along with candies that just boost your stats forever. They also removed wild battles except for special ones (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Snorlax), and I remember fans slurping up how "amazing it would be to have battles against Legendary Pokémon" as if Game Freak had outdone themselves by cutting out everything but the bare fricking minimum.
It is absolutely ramped up to 11 in Alola. There is a roadblock for literally everything. You get to the first city and it's a big upside-down U. There are fences connecting each side, but they're all freshly painted so they can't be used. So you walk up the U, getting cutscene after cutscene. You can't go to the left because the Tauros that has already blocked your progression twice is blocking you a third time. You do everything in a precise order, no leeway. And it's like this for the majority of the game. There are no optional towns. Route design is the most simplistic it's ever been. You can't just walk into a town, you have to go to specific landmarks in specific orders or else Lillie or Hau or Olivia or Tauros or Stoutland girl will stop you.
homie, pokemon games always were simple games designed to be played and beaten for literally children, not amount of wall texting can change that fact. Try playing gen 1 again to see if your nostalgia can still blind you
I was literally played Red while playing Sun at the same time back in 2016 and Red was the game I was enjoying far more because I could actually play it in the way I wanted. There's an optional rival battle on Route 22. You don't need to beat Misty as soon as you reach Cerulean but you can. But you can also go straight to Bill, and then leave Cerulean to reach Vermilion. You can get Cut, skip Surge, beat Misty if you haven't already, go to Lavender from Cerulean, go to Celadon and skip Erika, beat Team Rocket in Celadon and Lavender, beat them in Saffron, beat Sabrina as your third Gym Leader, go to Fuchsia and get Surf and beat Koga, beat Blaine as your fifth Gym Leader (or even fourth if you didn't face Sabrina yet). You can reach Cinnabar from Fuchsia or Pallet Town, it's your choice. You don't need Flash to progress in any cave, going through Diglett Cave to get it is your choice. There is very little in the game that's ever mandatory. Yes, you do ultimately need all eight badges, Brock will always be the first Gym and Giovanni the last, but you're really left to your own devices to figure out how to progress. Fly is not given to you by the story, nor is the bike.
Yes, Pokémon has always been for children, but it has undeniably gotten more handholdy and simplistic in navigation. First route design for the original Gens required backtracking as a way to introduce concepts like tall grass, ledges, speaking to NPCs for items, etc. That got phased out with the modern games because navigation is no longer a focus.
>my team couldn't beat erika as a kid
>ran off to another town
>she ended up being my second to last gym
>had fun instead of stopping to grind
It was so much better. The handholding makes them impossible for me to enjoy even for a minute as an adult.
Lucky for you things have become so fricking trivial that grinding is never even a forethought.
>5 gyms down? Good job, here's a Mega Latios
>Gym trainer's ace giving you problems? Don't fret, your Pokemon hung on at 1 HP three times in a row because it doesn't want you to worry
>I see you don't have any grass or water Pokemon. I'm sorry, I can't let you into this rock gym until you show me one
It really feels like they solved a problem that didn't really need solving. Kids today can't be that much more moronic than 20 years ago.
I'm not so sure about that
I would almost agree, but my friend's little brother was attempting to beat Ruby without reading any text back when it was recent. And like
said, most of them already want to look everything up, watch someone else play through it, etc, so there's no real reason for the games to be this dumbed down, they're trying to set the bar ridiculously low for no good reason IMO.
>Kids today can't be that much more moronic than 20 years ago
You'd be surprised, smartphones have really rotten everyone's brains.
And Ganker hasn't?
I said everyone, didn't I? That includes you and me.
Mechanically they have never been smarter. They have all of the information in the world at their literal fingertips, and troves of surrogate friends online to copy if they get stuck.
Red and Blue came out when I was 10. I can only imagine how much easier Seafoam Islands would have been if I could see a full map of it in two clicks of a button.
No. Sun and moon are like the scripted intros to other pokemon games, except it never fricking ends for the whole game.
this holy shit, I emulated ultra moon to try out a newer Pokemon game and I couldn't get past 3 hours because everyone tells you obvious bullshit non stop
kids were absolutely fine in the NES generation where every other game was just genuinely unfair, they can play a game without a thousand tutorials
You know this is exactly gen 5 too?
Except it isn't. Gen 5 had a lot of dialogue but it would usually only happen in the beginning or end of a town or city unless plasma shows up.
Gen 5 also had far more optional areas to explore.
The early game of gen 5 sucks ass I’ll admit outright. However past the second or so gym it improves heavily. The only times you’re interrupted past there are for story purposes. An encounter with Team plasma in nimbasa city, elesa lowering the drawbridge to driftveil for you, the entire shit with the dragon tower, etc. The only one i think is pretty meh is Clay clearing the electric webbing for you. Not only could you have done that yourself, but it just kind of felt lazy.
They also fly by because they don't have those obnoxious zoom ins for effect.
And gen 5 sucks too.
>imagine playing any pokemon games after gen 4.
Gens 5+ were a mistake and the people who played, let alone bought them need to seek mental health.
Gen 5 itself was both the last great Pokemon game and the first indication of the problems to come.
I remember trying it for the first time a few years ago (avoided it and all later games because I already saw the writing on the walls with gen 4) and I don't think I even got to the first or second gym. It's just so fricking bad.
>someone added feet
Ew.
Aside from your “rivals” being too friendly and a bit too present I can’t really see any complaints with gen 5 that would kick in THAT soon. What the frick?
I haven't gone back to it ever since I dropped it so I wouldn't be able to tell you what it was, but I think it was a combination of the new pokemon designs just being absolutely moronic looking, and the game just throwing mons at you that perfectly counter whatever obstacle in your way.
That and probably the forced story beats that likely went on for too long.
The “throwing mons at you that counter your current obstacle” only really goes up until the literal first gym if you’re talking base BW. And that’s mostly to teach kids about the core type weakness triangle. Coincidentally, the generation’s better designs were mostly kept from you if you quit before then.
If I could skip the cutscenes or make the text speed even faster I'd like them a lot more.
I never completed Sun because I fell asleep due to how many cutscenes and the length of them
this
anon is correct
Would be kino if it wasn't so goddamn slow with some shitter forcing you into a cutscene every 3 minutes**
Thay have the best "evil" team, I will grant you that.
>aether
>best
No.
I'm not talking about aether
>skull
>evil
No.
Yeah, that's why I said "evil" instead of evil.
Don't worry, you are slowly but surely getting there.
Anon, they aren't evil in any capacity. At most they're a public nuisance.
Honestly, it's like you have no idea how English works.
Are you butthurt that the other anon called you an ESL? Don't worry, with practice you will get better at reading.
You can just admit you don't understand how to use quotations anon, you don't have to obviously samegay.
Oh great, he is a schizo who thinks everyone is one person.
Just admit you did an oopsie or shut up.
Wow, a "no u". Totally haven't seen that before.
How long are you going to keep this nonsense up? You're ruining the thread.
Why are you continuing this worthless diatribe with a faceless anon?
It's not like you built up to it either, you just immediately started acting like a jackass. Were you really that desperate for a win that you would jump on the first possible opportunity even if you were the one to make the mistake?
According to this guy stealing away a bus stop isn't fricking evil.
>that's why I said "evil" instead of evil
"Evil" implies they're trying to be but failing like Team Rocket in the anime. Skull aren't evil at all until of course Guzma, on his own, joins Lusamine.
This is why you ESL's should be forced to take English lessons before being allowed to post on the internet
I wouldn't mind Team Skull coming back in future games. Alola is far too small to contain them. They'd fit right in in a game that brought Unova back.
Shame USUM shat the bed
>Shame USUM shat the bed
>Thread about Lusamine
Ergo, Lusamine shat the bad.
Hot
This. Sun and Moon are over hated.
Sun/Moon is a decent generation sandwiched between the two worst generations.
>Sun/Moon is a decent generation sandwiched between the two worst generations.
That would be the case if gen 6 wasn't better. After all despite being their first foray into 3d it still had a semblance of actual dungeons.
Not to mention it actually had pokedex entries for every pokemon while SM didn't have any for Mon that weren't native to Alola.
>it still had a semblance of actual dungeons.
Good one lmao
And then you have sun and moon where this is an post game "dungeon".
The one I posted is also a post game dungeon, mouthbreather
>The one I posted is also a post game dungeon
No, it's a post game cave.
This is a post game dungeon.
>"look how hard I can piss"
>recycle entries from past games word for word
amazing
I'm hoping SV will be more similar to Gen 7 than to Gen 8. Though SV probably still has Masuda's finger on it so I don't expect much.
Sun and Moon was the moment I stopped playing the franchise. I remember starting the game and getting hit by cutscene after cutscene and just got fed up. Pokemon needing to have a story is such a fricking meme.
if the tutorial wasn't 2 hours long, then back to back cut scenes I'd say it was my favorite pokemon games.
>love the region
>love 80% of the mons
>love the new trial gimmick
>love the characters
>love the music
>like the overall story
but man, that first half is really really sluggish.
>the last generation before the dex cut
>all pokemon up to that point are in the game and playable
That alone makes it better than anything that comes after it
because a mother being cruel to her children is too real of an evil thing. being a mafia boss, an environmental terrorist, an omnicidal maniac, etc are fine as children don't encounter these people.
but some kid from a bad home may have vidya as his only escape and the lady in his game tells lillie the same thing his abusive mother told him. thats too close to home.
you get to beat her abusive mother up, they'll love it
i see two bad outcomes for that. firstly, kids don't tend to have power fantasies when they're abused by parents. secondly, if they do, they probably know where they can get a knife
having a friend next door, riding a bicycle, liking pokemon? no, thats too lame. we need more kids to be reminded of bad home life!
You see bad outcomes, I see solutions
>we need more kids to be reminded of bad home life!
You're right we need to teach kids zero solutions to their unfortunate situations and have nothing that'll ever tell them how to handle, cope or even know despite the terrible circumstance they can still come out with a positive outlook. Your life is shit and you can do nothing about it so make sure you watch these fictional kids enjoy an adventure and positivity you're believing you will never get to experience
this post reeks of activism for puberty blockers
I give zero shits about troony fricking morons. I care about good story telling and calling someone a fricking moron for thinking there is zero space in children's media to have anything negative that they can relate and learn from. Reasons like that you have these confused dipshits thinking cutting their balls off and calling themselves a woman thinking that stops them from being a suicide statistic.
methinks thou doth protest too much
Dilate you cretin.
>im gonna accuse you of something unrelated and double down when you brush it off
You have no argument, moron. The fact that you changed the arugment but stull felt the need to reply throwing out ad hominems is really indicative
What solution can this game made for morons teach? Beat your parents at a pokemon battle?
You never touch Mother Beast Lusimane, you have a normal Pokemon battle against her team and losing the match causes her and the jellyfish on her head to separate.
God forbid we allow kids actually relate to something in these kids and make a potential emotional connection with these characters.
dunno man, gen 7 was cereal kino
she was the only thing I liked about moon
I always liked how the Ultra Beasts were based on characters.
Pheromosa is cool as frick. I'll even play that shitty Pokemon asshomosexuals if they add it.
i am still disappointed to this day that they weren't ultra beasts in disguise
Same actually.
I fully believed the same thing during Sun and Moon prerelease hype season.
Especially when they all had codenames before we were shown their real names.
How they make a cochroach sexy?
keep it simple but elegant
Anime ending of Lusamine and Mohn's arc had Mohn headpatting an ultrabeast disguised as Lillie saying he has two daughters now.
Agree, that was very interesting
Sadly she'll never get in because TiMi is allergic to adding new Speedsters.
so was there ever an explanation for the uncanny resemblance? The only one i heard was a fan interpretation that Lusamine, so obsessed with ultra beasts, manipulated her closest peers into dressing like them for her own amusement - Lillie into Nihilego, Guzma into Xurkitree, herself like a Pheromosa, etc.
It was almost certainly a remnant of the scrapped gen 6 plot where Fairy types were aliens, some of which disguised as humans and others as Pokemon. Remember the freaky gym leader with the inhuman eyes in gen 6? Yeah.
God i want the UB's to be back so bad. Shiny UB's are great too. They could do something like the Hoopa rings to bring them back
Most disappointing thing is the final boss fight with her, and she pulls out a pokeball instead of having this big human/pokemon hybrid final boss fight.
Oyakodon
>I DONT CARE
>LILLIE IS YOUR BABY
>t. Norza
This game is so cool. Best evil team, my favorite final starter evolution (Decidueye), the whole vibe of the Aether Foundation, the otherworldly aspect with the ultra beasts and how they genuinely feel mysterious when you first meet one, and the first game with regional forms. It's kino and most people just hate it for some reason...
Because of the hand-holding. USM removes it but it also ruins the story.
>Because of the hand-holding. USM removes it
>*heals you right after making this post*
She'll always be a psychopath in my heart.
She was great, and the fact she basically got away with everything made it better. Giovanni on suicide watch.
She ends up comatose with her only hope being a cliffhanger which will never concluded.
Isn't pokemon masters post everything
>lost his ultrabeast
>lost his hot blonde
How the frick does this man resist the urge to swallow a bullet every day he wakes up?
Lusamine is the most intensely sexually attractive character in the entire series and that's saying something. Lusamine is so fricking hot. If I was forced to just cum to porn of Lusamine armpits exclusively for the rest of my life I'd be willing to do it.
i'd rather cum to her medium apple behind
Regular SM Lusamine is my favorite villain in the series.
Manga version is too edgy.
Anime and Ultra version neuters her.
Everyone is edgier in the manga, so what did you expect. I hated Fava being in love with her, though. I like him better as an opportunistic c**t that just joined for the money.
Faba getting hit with the *shudder* was kino tho.
Poor Faba, they way he got dealt with was also pretty harsh.
How's Pokespe doing?
Last time i checked they were still stuck doing BW2 and a friend that follows it regularly told me SM got kinda shitty. How does SwSh fare? Did they finally got to Legends?
BW2 was finished three years ago. SM was fine but pretty much just a straight adaptation due to how much story the games already had, though it at least added Zygarde to the main plot and had Perfect Zygarde vs Ultra Necrozma for the final battle. SwSh is pretty good and fixed most of the dumb story choices from the games, right now they're doing the DLC which they rolled into the main plot as Eternatus ran to one of the DLC areas.
It's unlikely they'll do Legends.
B2W2 ended in 2020.
SM was rushed af, but it was still enjoyable.
SwSh has been pretty decent so far, a few important side characters get some much needed development and are actually pretty good
Legends arc never ever I just want to see my boy Dia again bros
My favorite version of Lusamine is this one.
i bet those fellas had their sunblock stuck in her tight ring hole
I love that the guy who made this now designs official Transformers toys.
I want to mating press a flat chested milf with super long hair so bad it's unreal.
Friendly reminder that Lusamine is 40.
40 out of 10.
>40
>Hs the body of a teenager
Noice
>toe cleavage
Yes please!
>armpit fetishism
>toe cleavage
>40 year old mother
>distinctive and strange, elaborate hairstyle which is ultimately an odd kind of hime cut
>insane
>blonde, like Cynthia
Nintendo knew exactly what they were doing and they knocked it out of the park.
what do her armpits smell like
Jellyfish
Nintendo doesn't make pokemon games.
Lusamine’s MILF feet are just so alluring, I’d give anything to rub or taste them.
when will these wrinklegays actually do their reps instead off blatantly trace 3DPDs?
I don't know, but I fricking hate the difference in quality in art when feet are super frickign detailed with big black lines for wrinkles.
You're supposed to use shading and shit for that.
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Need her to sit on me
i need to buy her stock in pokemon preservation
Threesomes with Lusamine and her 10 year old daughter
I liked the dynamic they cooked up for Lusamine and Guzma. Real nice touch to include part of the Aether theme in Guzma's battle music.
But yeah I noticed they toned her down in Ultra Sun/Moon. Same thing happened in the anime where she was just a bit of a ditz.
Guzma is a great character.
He's also a great boss in USUM with his fricking masquerain
>but mom i luv u
mommy
>sick concept for a fight
>lol nope, it's just a regular trainer battle
I wanted to capture her and stuff her into a pokeball when this happened
I think she's my fav pokemon villain
Money
That’s it
I forget which came first but I believe the ashime is to blame for Lusamine's change in personality in Ultra. It's easier to write Lusamine as a doting but clueless single mom than a narcissic twat with a jellyfish fetish (Even though Masters implies she's getting over it).
Terrible mothers trigger the shit out of people. Besides that she was pretty popular and there's this thing where the character has to be made more 'likable' (marketable), despite people already liking the character the way they were.
Guess they felt bad for Lillie
Haven’t played USM, what did they do?
her personality went from abusive mother to jerkass anti-villain
she went from a woman who abandoned her children in an insane effort to become one with the most beautiful creature, a nihilego, to a wife who is obsessively searching for her husband which disappeared into a portal, actually turns up and is amnesiac, but she doesn't press the issue, and lillie and gladion just sort of wandered off instead of being specifically told to frick off, mommy is watching her stories
in the anime she was just a standard, quirkier than usual pokemom who teased lillie a lot
>wandered off
I thought in both versions of the story Gladion takes Type: Null and Lillie takes Cosmog because Lusamine/Aether is exploiting them? I actually forget how USUM changed her character but I still think it implied enough abuse for those plotlines
It's the exact same but instead of using Cosmog to force many beast portals to open she just uses it to open the road to Necrozma. At that point instead of antagonizing you more she becomes a failed heroine and warns you of danger.
Ok look, I know im gonna sound like a massive homosexual but I wish one of the pokemon games let you play as an adult trainer. Im not against big assed little cartoon woman but it gets stale after a while, they can add in all the old same overused shit they want but they can only throw children at me so many times before I crave the ass of an older woman.
What aexactly changes between SnM and SnM Ultra? Is it just more pokemans and clothing or is there more content?
more pokemon are available, a lot of trainers have changed teams, the trials are rearranged and gameplay-wise everything is more difficult. Plus USUM has a bit more post-game content at the expense of SM's ultra beast hunt with Looker and Anabel.
But all the writing was completely neutered. Especially characters like lusamine and lana.
Can you give an example of dialouge changes? Is it as bad as how Treehouse fricked Fire Emblem if or is it just marginally worse?
>Is it as bad as how Treehouse fricked Fire Emblem
It's not a treehouse thing. the games were just rewritten.
I can't give you a transcript or anything, though you might be able to find one elsewhere, but an example of the writing changing is Lana in SM is a trickster archetype who makes a lot of teases and jokes, while in USUM she's very straight-laced and doesn't have the same demeanor at all.
Damn, thats fricking gay.
wait what??? i'm pretty sure US/UM has less post game content
lusamine was such a bamf
i dont even want to know what they did to her in other games, from my understanding she was shit in the anime too
What are you talking about? Fans loved her dorky side in the anime.
pokepits
Is it weird that although I prefer the IDEA of SM Lusamine as a genuine villain, I prefer the actual execution of the desperate but non-evil USUM Lusamine?
Pokemon is for little girls!
Misty's left foot looks incredibly erotic.
its her duty to wear a swimsuit
She beat the frick out of her for good measure.
There is nothing to retcon. Anime and game canon have always been different, same with power levels between trainers.
anon... OP means the retcon between SM and USUM...
I didnt play USUM, what was the retcon
angry/crazy/lunatic lusamine is no more
In SuMo Lusamine is motivated by grief and selfishness. While doing her experiments her husband was lost in one of the wormholes they accidentally created. This created an obsession with ultra space in her. An obsession so great that it made her forget about her children. Worse than that is she believed that she had a monopoly on beauty and was she defined as Beauty was things that she could control. So when her children were built against her and decided enough was enough she just disowned them and threw them away. She took in team skull because Guzma's self esteem was so low that he'd be willing to do anything for her in exchange for nice words and head pats. But when she found the Ultra Beasts she just threw him away too and just got completely lost in her obsession with everything too do with Ultra Space. It was up to Lille to walk up to her mother and tell her to stop being a selfish b***h and to beat a mother that they needed her to be. After you defeat her in battle, for the first time since she lost her husband, she was able to look at her children and realize what she lost. She was mind broken pretty bad from the jellyfish piss and her relationship with her children was in shambles. But while Gladion wasn't in a hurry to forgive Lusamine for abandoning them, Lillie was at least willing to try. Everything isn't okay but it's the first steps of repairing their broken family.
In the Ultra games Lusamine is still obsessed. But rather than being a negligent mother instead she's a misunderstood hero. She caught wind of necrozma being a parasitic dragon that feeds on light and didn't tell anyone because she tried to fight it all by herself. Of course she fails miserably and you end up having to do it. And that's kind of it. She stays in her compound and continues her work. She does bump into her husband again but since her husband can't remember her she decides to just let him go and live in peace.
>she was actually the good guy all along
what a boring change to a fun character
Nips are still mourning IDW Starscream's death
Long story short Aether were corrupt shitheads LARPing as heroes while paying Team Skull to be the heel in their shows and give Lusamine perfect Pokemon to freeze dry (I'm not joking) and admire. All for Lusamine to throw them under the bus so she could have sex with a jellyfish. They were despicable even compared to Team Rocket.
In USUM they're more noble and a bunch of eviler than thou villain teams come from Ultra space and basically usurp the plot from them.
You guys can have the insane b***h, I'll take the buxom compassionate woman who was the true mother figure for Gladion and Lillie.
Hm, she looks like she doesn't shave her pussy OR butthole
Correct!
MOMMY
Never played any of the pokeymans past Sun/Moon, have they had any other villain besides Ghetsis try to just outright kill the MC instead of engaging in a Pokemon battle?
PLA has the main villain literally summon Giratina to try and kill you after his Pokemon battle because he's a sore loser.
He was using you to get Giratina all along, moron.
Yes, and then he immediately throws it at you out of spite because you're God's chosen one.
>A 40 year old mother of two has the body of a 20 year old
How does she do it?
Pokemon cum exfoliants.
She consumes the youth essence of young Pokemon trainers by sucking out their barely potent loads of 10 and 12 year old semen.
God I wish I was 11 years old again just so I could jerk off to Lusamine with the kind of excitement and pillow humping lust that only an 11 year old looking at ecchi in 2002 can.
Ba/ss/ed
The only thing I'll give Ultra S/M for is that they buffed Guzma's redemption arc. Bless Gamefreak.
I haven't played Pokemon since gen 4, but now I kind of want to pick up the gacha just to see shit like this.
play it but DONT give them a cent. dont fall for the waifus either
The gacha game is unironically kino, my favourite arc was about Silver and N. Ghetsis was added and when N found out, he felt neglected and wanted to make amends, but Silver told him not to get his hopes up. Stuff happens and Giovanni tries to stea Kyurem from Ghetsis and he asks for N helps, N says he will for Kyurem not for him, they beat Giovanni with Silver’s help and escape. N then asks Ghetsis if now they’ve worked together, if they can be friends and Ghetsis is like “No you were a pawn and always were, bye”. Silver cheers him up though, basically says “I know thay feel bro”
Masters is pretty good in terms of characterization. Lear is one of the much better characters they've made in a long time.
The way they angled that first camera shot makes her head look fricking massive.
Even a gacha shit has is better than the orginal game
Shame this shit can't even be emulated. Don't want to change phones just to play a Pokemon gacha.
>I have to pay an exorbant cost to some other company before I can pay exorbant costs to DeNA for imaginary waifus
>wtf mang
frick I love chicken bros
the ultra sun and moon redesign sucks
As soon as you get off the first island, you can buy her original outfit at the store.
Better but I changed her hair and suited her up right asap.
why is she standing so weirdly
tired from a night with Lillie
Doesn't even make sense to platform lock it. They don't get the money from the phone.
Have you tried Bluestacks?
Post your favorite Gen 7 Pokemon. I will forever love this little fish that calls his posse and becomes a demon submarine even Gyarados is frightened of.
>water trial in Sun and Moon
>this badass jumps out of a waterfall and fricks your shit up
>water trial in Ultra Sun and Moon
>some gay spider jumps out instead
what the frick bros?
i only ever played ultra sun i just assumed they were the same game with more content like black and white 2
is it worth it to play the originals if i already played ultra?
>the same game with more content like black and white 2
... have you actually played both the original and sequel gen 5 games?
i think i fricked up
You assumed that about gen 5 because it's how previous third versions worked. But it's not here. The original gen 5 games were absolutely hardline about "no old Pokemon until you beat the damn game", intent on being essentially reboots. The sequels made Game Freak realize this would be the end of 2D, so they made a sendoff to 2D Pokemon. They started one of the few good trends in modern Pokemon, including a huge chunk of the dex in catchable form.
Obviously that's not the only change, but it's emblematic of the differences in design philosophy. BW was trying hard to be a more ambitious reboot with the only real holdover being the structure of "eight gyms, pokemon league, evil team along the way". The evil team was more interesting, the gym leaders had lives outside of sitting in the gym, they were the first mainline games not based on Japanese regions, and so on. BW2 kept a lot of the great energy they channeled with the originals, then applied it to games that were just a frickhuge love letter to everything the series was prior. Put together, they make gen 5 feel like everything the series was trying to be prior- a synthesis of gens 1-4 with more sprinkled on top.
>the same game with more content
>like black and white 2
but wasn't BW2 the re-edition that was actually a whole new game instead of just an expansion?
things that are different in b2w2:
>everything (besides one of the region's main features still being dead)
things that are different in usum:
>worse writing (albeit with more care towards previously rushed characters like Hau, Guzma and Mina)
>worse replacements for half of the totems
>more regional pokemon and new UBs
>occasionally harder fights
>a moronic pokedex gimmick that can be used to break said harder fights and all other fights over your knee
>a mantine minigame
Im pretty sure it's just based on whether you have sun or moon and the ultra version follows suit
No, that's only for the first trial.
Sun gets a Gumshoos and Moon gets a Raticate.
Every other trial is consistent in both versions.
The base games both get a Wishiwashi school form and the Ultra versions both get an Araquanid.
Rechecking and yeah, it's Ultra that they changed up most of the trials.
I don't like gen 7 a ton, but Lurantis is neat. No no, not just coomer reasons, promise. It's just the best (imo) of an unofficial trio in my head that all just have my favorite type of core design. Mudsdale/Lurantis/Salazzle. All new Pokemon, all with a first form that looks like it'd reasonably "grow up" into the final, and does so at comparable levels (30/34/33). They also have a weakness triangle going on.
I fricking love when Pokemon have some sort of parallel relationship with one another other. Electabuzz, Magmar and Jinx for instance.
I like the grass mon who kicks hard
Both of these are great designs.
For my money Mimikyu is the best Pokemon they've created in generations, lore, design, type wise. It's legitimately better than and deserves to be more iconic than Pikachu. It's brilliant.
Mimikyu is also a great choice. I agree on all your reasons, I just fricking love "related Pokemon" as long as it's not as basic as the Pan- trio or the Nidos.
Beetles are cool.
The bug designs this gen are pure kino
Don't quite stand up to gen 5 but they're good.
That's cheating.
Nothing compares to Volcarona and Escavalier
My overall favourite mon ever, it's so cool
Only issue I take is that they animate it with a decidedly non-arthropod looking mouth
Nothing should even move when it makes rumbling noises or whatever
Also, its ability is downright garbage. Shame.
I cant believe it even exists, the first description we got for it included something about alluring males from different species and even humans
All I ever wanted was more Wicke. That's all, but the internet was too obsessed with that crazy b***h or the e-girls. Least she had some good doujins.
First waifumon I ever gave a damn about. Carried like 50% of the load on my team.
Wicke is still getting plenty of art if you’re a fan of giant breasts
It's fine, but I just really prefer art of Wicke the way she is: an hourglass bombshell with sex hair and glasses. Just look at that body. "Thicc Wicke" got old real fast for me, I just want those reasonable but still big breasts and childbearing hips.
Tsareena was the MVP of my team. Any time the rest would fail, she would stand strong, tanking hits like a champ and trop kicking the hell out of them in return.
Females can't literally and metaphorically be le bad in [current year]
The same apply to dumb females, they are apparently inexistent now
Unironically the reason I never played Ultra Sun despite getting it. I enjoyed SM and didn’t want to play USUM knowing it would probably leave a bad aftertaste with the new changes.
only if you talk to me about cynthia's rare ablum
Id frick the shit out of that crazy MILF
>holy frick this thread is really fun, wonder why
>oh wait
>HE isn’t here
Wonder if he’s asleep.
Lusamine is an architect
Lusamine is a feeder
Lusamine knows top tier genetics even if its hidden inside a chubby exterior.
Lusamine will likely have more kids if not for Mohn's disappearance
>was already at the edge of being unhinge before, with her marriage and her love keeping her stable and happy for the time being.
>fallen in love with someone so much that her heart and mind can't take his disappearance and has gone insane.
Hold up this makes no sense, I swear he explicitly got fat from eating berries after ending up in the islands?
You can clearly see he is already stocky by the time they got married.
>Artists give Lusamine cow breasts
Keep her flat!
I'd rather make her fat
Why does Lusamine have to be so beautiful? Even as an evil mother, she is such a wonderful mommy. And I would kill to be her toilet in that second picture.
literally MADE for dominating guzma in a sexual way
>Guzma
>Not Lillie
>Not Gladion
>NOT Gladion
>But Guzma
>her kids
i don't swing that way
she's manipulating him in the game anyway
it's very easy to pretend she's also using that power over him to vent her sexual frustrations and somewhat deviant tastes, which also completely match up with my own
It's my headcanon that Wicke wet nursed gladeon and lillie
Alright Pokegays, when it comes to numbered/sequel releases (BW2, USUM, etc) is it better to play the first/original or go straight into the "second" game? It's the only thing holding me off playing B&W since I heard BW2 is the same yet different yet better yet worse
BW2 is literally the sequel to BW, not a "third version" style of game.
If you care about the story, play the first, then the seconds. If you don't, then skip straight to BW2 for a bigger pokemon selection and better postgame.
Same goes for USUM, only it's not a sequel but a modification. If you want to see how the story of one compares to the other, then play both. If not, skip to Ultra for a bigger dex and things to do.
God dammit, they should've just stayed doing third releases I can't deal with this...
Do you care about the story in a Pokemon game? Realistically?
If so, play Black or White first, then play Black2 or White 2.
And just jump right to and Ultra version of Sun and Moon because the changes it brings isn't enough to remotely warrant playing both back to back. You'll be doing 85% of it beat for beat.
At least with BW2, the locations and random npc dialogue may be the same, but the plot and Pokemon distribution can at the very least motivate you to move forward, along with the first two hours of the game being entirely original.
>along with the first two hours of the game being entirely original.
that's giving it a bit too little credit
the gyms and especially the plasma encounters are entirely different, and nearly everything past skyla is either new content or barely touched upon in BW
Objectively
is a correct assessment.
However, I would say skip both BW2, and USUM. As a sequel, BW2 is worse than BW1 in basically everyway, and the same can be said for USUM except Sun and Moon weren't good in the first place.
B2W2 is a direct sequel to the events of BW. If you care about the story at all then you'll want to take a look at BW first.
Alola on the other hand you can pick whichever. If you want a less bad main story then pick SM, whereas USUM gives you more option for team building.
Why cant the pokemon anime be this dope? Frick ash and frick pikachu
I hate them so much
At least now there are constant side animations being made. Did you watch Hisuian Snow?
>Hisuian Snow
?
Pokémon Legends Arceus prequel thing:
Why dont they just make a 12 episode anime for every game
I dont get it
>Why dont they just make a 12 episode anime for every game
That's pretty much what they're doing now. SS had a similar mini series with Twilight Wings.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQWzKIaERirwfvHB3m8CjnTK6ZzNA8wvJ
I will give the Alola characters credit on one thing: they have actual characters in it... well okay the closest Pokemon can muster to actual characters. They have things that they want and some kind of flaw they deal with and they do things. Mallow doesn't sit in a single room all game, she hangs in the forest to pick up ingredients for her restaurant, she hangs with her friends, she helps her family with her the shop. Olivia struggles to find a boyfriend so she lives with her cats when she's not running her israeliteelry shop downstairs. Yeah she has an actual job.
But it's fricking Pokemon. Which means the storytelling is done in the worst way conceivable. Because game freak doesn't have writers. It only has marketers that pretend to be writers. Which means both the anime and the games do not have a beginning middle and end. They have a beginning, middle, and then it just meanders into the rest of eternity. So any characters are going to be shallower than they should be although SuMo's problems extend far beyond just problems this issue
I agree with this. Sun and Moon, for all of its flaws, had characters that felt like characters and not just groupies and item delivery boys.
Characters had family, lived their own lives, and didn't see you as an upcoming prodigy but rather what you were, a new kid in town doing their island tour. It only kicked off with the legendaries like it always does because of muh formula.
It was nice to see some friction like Guzma giving Kukui shit, having known each other in the past. Getting to meet Lana's family. Finding out fire boy worked at the local PokeWalmart to make ends meet. Finding Guzma's childhood home and seeing clues about how irate and abusive he was to his family through interactions with golf clubs and beds without outright stating it.
It had good shit, but was constantly mired in needing to be up it's own ass and lead you by the nose.
Well there's also the fact that they dialed back the stakes a bit. Yes there are still interdimensional aliens but they aren't out to destroy the world or any of that dumb shit. They show up, break some shit and leave. Even if the main character did nothing everything isn't put on his shoulders. The Tapus still would've dealt with them even if no one else did. Speaking of the island legendary Pokemon aren't eldritch nightmares, all the islanders know about them. They worship them because they are powerful even if they are also fickle. So in reality the tension of the plot isn't whether or not the Pokemon on the box is going to destroy the world. Because everybody knows going in that the world isn't going to be destroyed. So setting Groudon loose and telling the player to hurry up is just flaccid hyperbole because you already know how it ends. The tension of SuMo's plot is whether the Aether family can be fixed. Because Lusamine is genuinely crazy by the time you encounter her. It's plausible that she could be thrown in prison forever. Or that they'd leave her in Ultra Space and Lillie would just resolve to be her own person. And even though it ends with them rescuing Lusamine, everything isn't just back to normal. The Aether family's trust in each other is severely broken. Lusamine never undoes the damage she caused, the only thing she can do is say "I'm sorry" and just hope to Arceus that her children can forgive her one day. Which is a pretty somber end for a Pokemon game.
Well it was but then the Ultra games happened.
>hope to Arceus
Armpit
Lusamine looks like she's into hard femdom.
You never realize how bad reading comprehension is for the average internet shitposter until this argument comes up.
>BW2 is worse than BW1
This homie is trolling.
It is
Pokémon's writing isn't good. BW have a comparatively interesting sequence of events and climax to previous games, but that doesn't mean they have good writing. They have basic writing. They're the games that play
whenever Ghetsis is present. He is very obviously evil. Team Plasma is very obviously in the wrong, and they exist as lip service to their cause. N's heart is in the right place but he's clearly being manipulated, which completely undermines whatever point Plasma was trying to make. B2W2 does a far better job at showing how Team Plasma does have genuine points by having them split into opposing factions, with one side following N's ideals of peace and freedom for Pokémon while the other is BWAHAHA BAD GUYS. It's better than the first game which is about a bunch of hypocrites. But BW's writing spells everything out to you, there's little room for interpretation. Cheren and Bianca go through basic story arcs and recite their lesson at the end.
I would much sooner take B2W2 with its shitload of content. I want to do the PWT, PokéStar Studios, hidden grottoes, seasonal rematches with N, rematches in general, the stuff that leads to Benga, Legendary hunting, the Nature Preserve, blah blah blah. That's so much more engaging than the tripe writing that Game Freak puts out that makes my eyes glaze over. Pokémon wasn't made to have its story be its focus and anytime it ever tries this, it feels like it completely misses the point and the rest of the game suffers.
I think this is the thread
Bark
Woof!
Good boy!
T-thank you!
Retconning Lusamine was one of the worst things about Gen 7. She was pretty much one of the only interesting aspects of the original games so stripping her of her personality so she was less evil just wound up making the games more boring
Don't really care rather get a neutered NPC than not get my light god fricking up the box legendaries.
>Ganker understands that Sun moon is kino
>/VP/ hates it
Surprise surprise
It's almost like fans have higher standards.
>pokemon fans
>having standards
Yes? Why do you think /vp/ has hated every game since ORAS?
Because they're actually tasteless morons who are too stupid to move the frick on from terrible baby games made for literal children.
>who are too stupid to move the frick on from terrible baby games made for literal children.
You're currently defending SM anon.
USUM was undoubtedly the best pokemon experience there has been up to date and SWSH the most soulless game in the whole franchise
SWSH had soul though
Even though Sun Moon suffer very heavily from railroading and being cutscene heavy I will always appreciate how adventurous it is for a Pokemon game
>I will always appreciate how adventurous it is for a Pokemon game
It's the least adventurous game in the series anon.
Adventurous in the sense that it's a departure from the normal Pokemon formula. There are no Gyms, half the bosses are suped up Pokemon, the story is off the wall, aliens are involved, final battle is with the Pokemon Professor, etc.
It's more like a typical jRPG than usual Pokemon game. It's difficult to replay because of all the cutscenes and such, but as far as characters and general story goes - top tier among Pokemon games, and pretty good in general.
Lusamine is just Cynthia but straight
you mean they're both pedophiles?
hm yes I understand
holy shit, theyre different characters?
I want Lusamine and Lillie to dom me.
how would this even work, Lillie is not a dom.
That’s why her mom is there to teach her using you as a practice dummy
I don't think many people realize that in this kiddy franchise this woman had wild impregnating sex twice. This is not to mention Melony.
Lusamine was perhaps one of the most schizo villains thanks to getting high off jellyfish fumes. Pretty different, and I think bringing in Rainbow Rocket in the Ultra games was both a dumb and unnecessary move.
Qrd?
Aw no more bug posting? Phero was my favourite thing about that gen. Love my roach.
sorry i only have golisopod pictures saved
It was the muscular macho man mosquito for me
SuMo were so angsty and cringe on hindsight.
sun/moon deserve love for at least being something new in the series. it's going to age as well as gen 5 did
it felt like a lot of things were going right for the series around the time it came out, but it all got tossed and burned to rush out pokemon shit on the switch
late 2016-early 2018 made me feel like things were going to be alright for the series after how dogshit everything was during gen 5 and most of gen 6
PLA restored my hope after SwSh/BDSP. LGPE was fun for what it was.
>hold my hand for 3 gyms of cutscenes
>finally had it and dropped that shit
I had never dropped a pokemon until this piece of shit
yeah man you tell them the bug gym with metapod and kakuna that was hard
This thread made me decided to fap to Lusamine tonight
What content should I fap to?
Foot stuff
ass pics
Oyakodon with Lillie
Lusamine /ss/
yeah me too. Lusamine is hot villain milf
>becomes a Pokemon
>but you don’t get to fight her
What was even the point?
The point was Game Freak thought of a really fricking cool concept and then didn't implement its logical end point into the game, either because it would be too much for the franchise or because they ran out of time in their dev cycle. You see it every game generation these days.
These guys were so fricking stupid and useless.
The funny part is everyone else uses the various things they set up.
This surprised the shit out of me. I didn’t think Gamefreak had the balls or brain power to think of something like this and put it in the game.
>had turned off Exp Share so her Pokemon were over 5 levels higher than mine
>playing on Set and no heals during battles
>bad team comp because I had too many Fairy-types
>all of her Pokemon are buffed
>she almost wipes me out
>legitimately hard fight
>but AI is so goddamn moronic she spams status moves instead of just one shotting me
>boost my Ribombee with Quiver Dance and one shot the rest of her team
>can't even battle against her motherbeast form, she gets knocked out in a cutscene
It is normal wanting to clean her feet with my mouth? And Cynthia's too?
give her black nails and she would become even more perfect
>black nails
Hex Maniac exclusive
For me it's Lana's mother.
Same, but kanden-ki's version
Her face is ugly.
Your opinion is gay.
if she were my mom i would have wished she'd sexually abuse me
I'd love lots of incestuous sex with mommy
Now that's a island I want to live on.
god, imagine the smell at the peak of that mountain
Pokemommies
Playing through pokemon X and I'm not sure who to have on my team. What are the coolest gen 6 mons?
Gen 6 has a lot of cool pokemon imo. My favs are Pangoro and Hawlucha but pretty much all of them are cool except like Diggersby and Pyroar
God I wish Lusamine was my mom
>Make good villain for the first time in your series history
>Put her in the absolute most trash, grating experience of a "game"
>Remove everything that was good about it in the "enhanced version"
>Decide you like this formula so much you rehash it for the series' new generation console debut
GameFreak is mentally ill. I'm baffled that it took until PLA to get another halfway decent game since 2014.
The anime isn't canon anyway.
I need a quick rundown on this Pokémommy. I finally gave up on the series after Gen 6.
>unstable MILF who lost her husband to interdimensional research and became obsessed
>also became a control freak who considers herself the arbiter of beauty
>disowned her children after years of neglect because they didn’t obey her
>deliberately fused herself with interdimensional aliens at the first opportunity
Do you find her attractive?
I do.
only after my art friend drew her
>this thread is still going
Lusamine is the one thing to unite Ganker
I want to frick Lusamine's footpussy, I hope she has sensitive soles because i will enjoy rubbing my dick over them more if it makes her moan.
I mean, it's a game about the multiverse, they didn't really retcon her as much as they showed an alternate universe in which she is different that co exists along the regular universe
>only played Ultra Sun
>find out they changed the plot
>they made it worse
why?
It hit too close at home, think about the children anon, we can't make a game were your parents are buttholes towards you.
was sun n' moon the one what came after ORAS?
I never gave it much thought, but looks like it wasn't as generic as i might have thought.
Opinions, bros?
>entire thread of people giving opinions of SuMo vs USUM and what each did well and poorly
>UH, OPINIONS BROS?
Yes
And it is just as generic as you believe, we've just reached the point where people can feel nostalgic for it.
>comfy as frick region
>top tier music
>very good characters with only a handful of forgettable ones like Ilima
>absolute top tier girls, I dare you naming a region with more 10/10 girls than Alola
>nice Pokemon variety, huge regional dex
>regional forms was a breath of fresh air and many of them were downright amazing like Muk or Golem
>concept of Ultra Beasts is very interesting
>pretty decent story and top tier villains with Lusamine being batshit insane
>you're the first champion and the final battle is against the professor of all people
>harder than you'd expect, games are finally balanced around the Exp Share so if you turn it off you'll eventually end underleveled
But
>unskippable cutscenes up the ass, no joke that almost every single town and route has one, makes it almost impossible to replay the game
>you're not the main character, Lillie is, you're just watching her family drama
>Festival Plaza is a downright terrible downgrade to Gen 6's PSS system
>concept of Ultra Dimensions is completely ignored, it is worse in USUM where you can travel to different ones and they're all empty glorified hallways
>virtually no postgame
>obvious cut content that never makes it into the game, not even in USUM
Gen 7 had everything to be an amazing generation but by then GameFreak's laziness had settled in already.
>many of them were downright amazing like Muk or Golem
>like pride vomit and M. Bison
>not liking ALOLA AHKBAR
Guy is underrated as frick.
Remember when it was just about being the very best that you can be?
context?
Jellyfish from another dimension that she was studying messed with her brain.
>Nihilego, codename UB-01 Symbiont (PARASITE in JP)
>One of several mysterious Ultra Beasts. People on the street report observing those infested by it suddenly becoming violent.
>One of the Ultra Beasts. It's unclear whether or not this Pokémon is sentient, but sometimes it can be observed behaving like a young girl.
>A life-form from another world, it was dubbed a UB and is thought to produce a strong neurotoxin.
>It appeared in this world from an Ultra Wormhole. Nihilego appears to be a parasite that lives by feeding on people and Pokémon.
I wonder if jellyfish made lusamine's feet more soft, more smooth and especially smell nice.
>president of a Pokemon reserve who constantly talks about how much she loves Pokemon
>actually, she's mindbroken after losing her husband during an experiment with portals to the Ultra Dimension
>also manipulative and abusive as frick, her daughter can't even choose her own clothes
>her kids escape, one of them saving an Ultra Beast she was going to use to reopen the portal to the Ultra Dimension even if it meant killing it
>by then she doesn't even remember she wanted to recover her husband, she only wanted to live along Ultra Beasts even if it meant throwing downright dangerous interdimensional Pokemon all over Alola
>fuses with Nihilego, the "symbiote UB" who uses a neurotoxin to greatly enhance the host's abilities, pic related
>after being defeated, she finally has a moment of lucidity where she praises Lillie
>ends stuck on a wheelchair and on an almost vegetable-like state due to the neurotoxin, the ending of the game has Lillie going with her to Kanto to see Bill in hopes his machine will cure her
God, I would frick Lusamine and Lillie so fricking much. Cynthia can join too.
Cogito too
At the same time
Did people forget that Lysandre planned to murder a huge chunk of the world with a doomsday weapon and literally kills himself and potentially most of his group by blowing up his base? Even OG Lusamine is tame compared to him.
>did people forget that Lysandre
yeah
Who's better, Lillie or Marnie?
They're both great but I prefer Marnie's design
Same
1 showed up too much and the other never shows up
Lillie is a much better character. Marnie has a really cute design, but she's boring and she never does anything.
>She's boring
Mean
Marnie has a fantastic design but doesn't do enough in the story.
Lillie hogs the story so much she's pretty much the main character and won't leave me alone.
So uh, Marnie for being less annoying I guess.
Marnie is my best girl.
>thread is still here
I FRICKING LOVE POKEMILFS AND COUGARS, AND I WANT TO PUMP 10 BABIES INTO WICKE. I WANT TO PUT MY FACE INTO HER HAIR, SUCK ON THOSE GIANT breasts AND SMACK THAT AMAZING ASS.
Marnie is cuter and wasn't the main character, so I like her better.
Holy based.
All the pokemommies need a good, hot dick.
I WANT TO PUMP ALL MY SEMEN INSIDE LANA'S MOM
Boys, if you were a gym leader/elite 4 member what type would you specialize in? I love normal types. And typing this post has made me realize we've never had a normal type elite 4 member.
She can fix me
I like that artists always give her a big chest
and speaking of gen 7, what the actual frick were they thinking when they dropped the PSS for that abomination festival plaza?
Could've been done to protect kids or something. On the live feed occasionally you could see hackers or people sending out degenerate messages. PSS was otherwise well designed, but they are very sensitive about this sort of thing and dealing with parents.
Whos your favorite pokemoin?
Despite the fact that its shitty without it's hidden ability making it useless for a casual playthrough. Especially in BW2 where you can't access the daycare until post game.
BW/2 and U/SM are the only good Pokemon games
What about pokemon knife edition?
best part of ultra sun and moon was telling the fat kid that the festival plaza sucks
if anything, you'll be the one in the kitchen.
Which alternative franchise to Pokémon would be for me?
>i hate nintendo
>Games without fairies
>I hate RPG's
>game without Dragons
>non-Japanese franchise
>Franchise that you can only play on Playstation, Xbox, sega, atari or PC consoles
>franchise that is impossible to play on Nintendo consoles.
>hate all pokemon
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