Should I see this game more like a tabletop experience than a strategy game?
The few times I tried playing it, I expected something like FF Tactics or Disgaea and got turned off because it's not that kind of strategy.
>zoomer confirmed
you're supposed to read the manual for older games
this is something zoomers have no idea about and how cool the manuals were
You don't even need to read the manual. I played this game for the first time about a year ago and did the tutorial. That explains more than enough. Everything else you can figure out as you go.
A game that rewards out-of-the-box thinking and punishes you for going the beaten road.
A game with such an atmosphere that it will absorb you for many, many hours.
A game so fun and with such graphics that it's plainly timeless.
If you play the campaigns you need to be really aggressive. The Restoration of Erathia ones you can mostly play how you like but Shadow of Death is ball busting and requires optimal play on a lot of maps. Armageddon's Blade is much the same but also loaded with gimmick maps.
One of the few rare instances where you legitimately need to get the GOG version and not the Steam version. Steam version has a shitty "HD" version that is missing features and is broken. They don't have a storefront for the "Complete" version of the game that GOG does.
disciples 2 has amazing art but the gameplay is kind of weird. combat is like ogre battle instead of a hex grid. instead of being able to train new units by upgrading your town it lets you evolve the basic ones you already have. the only problem with this though is that units level up pretty slowly so you will only be able to get to the top tiers on a huge map. also instead of castle sieges against a defending army there's a raid boss kind of defender so capturing towns is a lot harder.
definitely a flawed game but still worth playing since it looks so cool. get the expansion with the elf faction.
Download pic related and play the original game that you can find/buy on GOG through it.
Then open the game folder, find the pdf for the tutorial and follow it, playing the tutorial scenario.
Once you've finished, start playing the way you want.
I can only help you so far, because after I completed the tutorial and the first mission of the campaign, I tried to play a few games against the CPU, and I lost every time on Easy because I must be the worst player of this game in the world.
Meh, I have fun until the computer meets my hero and stomps him while losing no units. And no, I'm not moronic, I've watched "theknownworld" and all those pros to try and figure out what I'm doing wrong, but apparently 11 atk is just insurmountable to a hero with 9 atk 9 def and an equal number and strength of units (+ spells). I love the game, but that shit makes me extremely bitter toward it
Since HOMM is a game about hundreds of moving parts I can't tell you what you're doing wrong but defeating enemy of similar stats shouldn't be an issue.
Hard maps will make you fight enemies of vastly superior stats and army and you can't lose any of your own because the next guy has even more stats and more units. It just comes with experience as long you keep playing you'll notice flaws in your playstyle, there's always something to improve upon even after thousands of hours.
Is it possible to have fun playing this against AI? I always think about no-lifing some strategy or 4x stuff but it seems that the only valuable adversary is another human.
In HOMM3, does the different custom maps and difficulties made for fun experiences?
When you get good you have to play on impossible to get any kind of challenge out of the game. Oh not only you start with nothing on impossible but AI cheats and prints resources out of thin air every turn, more challenging maps will also give boosts to AI like increasing their growth or giving them even more free money. I've played this map that starting week 2 it gave AI 99 of every resource and 99999 gold every single day and it still couldn't beat me. AI is just really abusable and it can't stand up to a human player without some sort of gimmicks or other limitations.
I guess, but doing these cheap tricks like firewall traps or slowly chipping the AI while flying around its slowed units in circles isn't much fun either.
>In HOMM3, does the different custom maps and difficulties made for fun experiences?
Yeah I think so, on extreme end map like Xiedu can only be completed by expert players who know every single trick in the book. One of the fights has you defeating like 50 titans with 10 black gargoyles there are many fights which are puzzles that demand you know the game inside out. That's on the extreme end of challenge there's plenty of hard but not chinese autism hard custom maps available online.
The fight is set on a very specific terrain with a specific hero that has like 99 spell power and you use one stacks of gargoyles to bait titans to suicide into a firewall. It's something that only works because it's a puzzle designed to be solved in one specific way, that strategy will almost never work on a regular map.
Even after hundreds of hours, one thing I never understood was what makes stacks join your party. It seems like gaining just one shooter stack in the early-midgame would completely tilt the balance in your favor, so how do you do it consistently?
3 heroes, possibly more.
>three heroes
Let's be real, there's two heroes.
it's fun if you enjoy this sort of game
Should I see this game more like a tabletop experience than a strategy game?
The few times I tried playing it, I expected something like FF Tactics or Disgaea and got turned off because it's not that kind of strategy.
I'd say it's closer to a 4X game (think Civilization and the likes) than your regular Japanese SRPG.
>something like FF Tactics or Disgaea
Sorry to disappoint you but this is an actual strategy game for adults.
Play Jagged Alliance 2.
A redpill on the israelites
I figured this was a shitpost the first time but now it's been posted twice. Redpill me.
shit game for moron autists
You're in for installing the HD mod and learning about the word "zounds".
100% balanced vampire lords
Heroes 4 is better.
some of the music in 4 brings a tear to my eye.
Shooter stacks guarding resources.
Play heroes V instead it's the best one
Bad maps though.
A redpill on the israelites
power liches
Clunky UI and nothing is explained.
>game expects you to both play the tutorial AND refer to the manual
god didn't they know people would be playing it in 202X? such outdated design
You don't even need to read the manual. I played this game for the first time about a year ago and did the tutorial. That explains more than enough. Everything else you can figure out as you go.
This. Though it is also true that game manuals were based none the less.
>zoomer confirmed
you're supposed to read the manual for older games
this is something zoomers have no idea about and how cool the manuals were
>le classic meme turned into /vt/ranny shit
rope
strategy games should display relevant information in game.
no
And if you read the manual you will learn to identify such crucial information.
Reading? The frick is wrong with you?
Are you some kinda gay or something?
https://heroes3wog.net/download/%5BManual%5D%20Tribute%20to%20Strategists.pdf
this is required reading
Other than shit like the damage formula and exact chances for stat gains/skill drops, what isn't explained in game?
do nagas have buttholes in the front or the back?
nagas shit out their cloacas like any other serpentine reptile, everyone knows this
I understood the game when I was 7 and English isn't even my native tongue.
A game that rewards out-of-the-box thinking and punishes you for going the beaten road.
A game with such an atmosphere that it will absorb you for many, many hours.
A game so fun and with such graphics that it's plainly timeless.
HoMM bros. Is it possible to beat the Country Lords mission in 2 without Ogre Alliance/Dragon Alliance? I think I fricked up
If you play the campaigns you need to be really aggressive. The Restoration of Erathia ones you can mostly play how you like but Shadow of Death is ball busting and requires optimal play on a lot of maps. Armageddon's Blade is much the same but also loaded with gimmick maps.
you'll either get wrecked and drop it immediately or it'll drive you to invest tens of thousands of hours
One of the few rare instances where you legitimately need to get the GOG version and not the Steam version. Steam version has a shitty "HD" version that is missing features and is broken. They don't have a storefront for the "Complete" version of the game that GOG does.
Since this thread probably pulls the highest amount of russians on Ganker right now, can any of you redpill me on the Disciples series?
I bought Disciples 2 yesterday cause it looks like Homm3. Anything I should know?
It's fun, I liked it as much or even more than homm3.
the demons are the best because they all fly
disciples 2 has amazing art but the gameplay is kind of weird. combat is like ogre battle instead of a hex grid. instead of being able to train new units by upgrading your town it lets you evolve the basic ones you already have. the only problem with this though is that units level up pretty slowly so you will only be able to get to the top tiers on a huge map. also instead of castle sieges against a defending army there's a raid boss kind of defender so capturing towns is a lot harder.
definitely a flawed game but still worth playing since it looks so cool. get the expansion with the elf faction.
It's nothing like HoMM 3. It's it's own thing. It's more similar to Kings' Bounty, but the graphics and atmosphere are pure GOAT
Get the GOG version also there is HD mod which adds bunch of shit
it's a fun game
Download pic related and play the original game that you can find/buy on GOG through it.
Then open the game folder, find the pdf for the tutorial and follow it, playing the tutorial scenario.
Once you've finished, start playing the way you want.
I can only help you so far, because after I completed the tutorial and the first mission of the campaign, I tried to play a few games against the CPU, and I lost every time on Easy because I must be the worst player of this game in the world.
As long you're having fun that's ok, best way to learn would be to watch someone better at the game and just copy their strategies.
Meh, I have fun until the computer meets my hero and stomps him while losing no units. And no, I'm not moronic, I've watched "theknownworld" and all those pros to try and figure out what I'm doing wrong, but apparently 11 atk is just insurmountable to a hero with 9 atk 9 def and an equal number and strength of units (+ spells). I love the game, but that shit makes me extremely bitter toward it
Since HOMM is a game about hundreds of moving parts I can't tell you what you're doing wrong but defeating enemy of similar stats shouldn't be an issue.
Hard maps will make you fight enemies of vastly superior stats and army and you can't lose any of your own because the next guy has even more stats and more units. It just comes with experience as long you keep playing you'll notice flaws in your playstyle, there's always something to improve upon even after thousands of hours.
>I'm not moronic
Something's wrong and it's not the game. You should be able to complete Restoration of Erathia without too much trouble.
>beat the enemy main hero with the big army
>but now he has like 6 secondary heroes that do nothing but chain lightning you and run away
does it work with the cd version? I still have my old discs.
it has to be shadow of death it won't work with roe or ab
The AI is trash and very easy to manipulate.
yeah, chatgpt sucks
ESL!!!
Is it possible to have fun playing this against AI? I always think about no-lifing some strategy or 4x stuff but it seems that the only valuable adversary is another human.
In HOMM3, does the different custom maps and difficulties made for fun experiences?
I can have fun stomping the AI on the easier difficulties, but starting with nothing on Impossible doesn't sound like fun.
When you get good you have to play on impossible to get any kind of challenge out of the game. Oh not only you start with nothing on impossible but AI cheats and prints resources out of thin air every turn, more challenging maps will also give boosts to AI like increasing their growth or giving them even more free money. I've played this map that starting week 2 it gave AI 99 of every resource and 99999 gold every single day and it still couldn't beat me. AI is just really abusable and it can't stand up to a human player without some sort of gimmicks or other limitations.
I guess, but doing these cheap tricks like firewall traps or slowly chipping the AI while flying around its slowed units in circles isn't much fun either.
>In HOMM3, does the different custom maps and difficulties made for fun experiences?
Yeah I think so, on extreme end map like Xiedu can only be completed by expert players who know every single trick in the book. One of the fights has you defeating like 50 titans with 10 black gargoyles there are many fights which are puzzles that demand you know the game inside out. That's on the extreme end of challenge there's plenty of hard but not chinese autism hard custom maps available online.
>defeating like 50 titans with 10 black gargoyles
how?
The fight is set on a very specific terrain with a specific hero that has like 99 spell power and you use one stacks of gargoyles to bait titans to suicide into a firewall. It's something that only works because it's a puzzle designed to be solved in one specific way, that strategy will almost never work on a regular map.
Even after hundreds of hours, one thing I never understood was what makes stacks join your party. It seems like gaining just one shooter stack in the early-midgame would completely tilt the balance in your favor, so how do you do it consistently?
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Join
Yes gaining free units is indeed powerful. That is why some consider the diplomacy skill overpowered.
>rape dragons
which is the tutorial campaign? long live the queen?
There is no tutorial campaign, there's a single tutorial mission and then you start with Restoration of Erathia's main campaign storyline
baby's first strategy game
This game isdumb once you realise the win condition is just clearing hives and gryphn banks as fast as possible week 1 and 2
likely a redpill in the israelites anon
old ass game for boomers.
It's a game for people with taste.