>bloodlines: two protagonists that play vastly differently, but have their own strengths and weaknesses. the whip isn't over powered and makes using the items worthless - same with the lance.
>super: not designed around the new control scheme. difficulty is not really there, but can still be challenging at times. items aren't as important so you rarely use them. still fun to use the whip.
Yeah
But I definitely think super just edges it out
>ummmm actually super castlevania 4 is better because it has 8-directional whipping >did I tell you I like 8-directional whipping? >what the frick were they thinking not putting 8-directional whipping in the games after super castlevania 4? >the nes games are clunky pieces of shit, they need 8-directional whipping
>oh no, someone has a different opinion than me
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Full whips controls massively devaule subweapons as the whip can now just basically do everything. Super Castlevania 4's levels are based on Castlevania's levels which aren't designed for multidirectional whipping
Chronicles is a better CV1 remake (it has multi directional whipping but only downwards or down diagonal when you're in the air which is at least better than 8 direction) and Bloodlines is a better game.
[...] >Maria in Rondo >Girl boss
Maria was a joke character. It's why she's so overpowered and her ending is cutest.
i feel like people don't really appreciate just how much damage morris shits out compared to lacarde, plus his jumping diagonal and swing moves are really good against many of the bosses
>ummmm actually super castlevania 4 is better because it has 8-directional whipping >did I tell you I like 8-directional whipping? >what the frick were they thinking not putting 8-directional whipping in the games after super castlevania 4? >the nes games are clunky pieces of shit, they need 8-directional whipping
Maybe not. The arm movement is just 2 sprites and the whip is just a line of pixels that could probably be manipulated with programming tricks to simulate smooth motion.
>AAAA WHY IS HE TALKING ABOUT THE BEST FEATURE OF THE GAME AAA HE MUST BE AN AUTIST
okay Ganker
Full whips controls massively devaule subweapons as the whip can now just basically do everything. Super Castlevania 4's levels are based on Castlevania's levels which aren't designed for multidirectional whipping
Chronicles is a better CV1 remake (it has multi directional whipping but only downwards or down diagonal when you're in the air which is at least better than 8 direction) and Bloodlines is a better game.
Man, Maria was already girlboss in Rondo, yet still they managed to make her more unlikable, what the frick.
>Maria in Rondo >Girl boss
Maria was a joke character. It's why she's so overpowered and her ending is cutest.
>Full whips controls massively devaule subweapons as the whip can now just basically do everything
Sub-weapons are still useful in 4, especially the knife, axe, and the cross, but yes the whip does mean you'll use them less. The bigger problem is that 4 overloads you with hearts, so you never have to worry about sub-weapon usage. >Super Castlevania 4's levels are based on Castlevania's levels which aren't designed for multidirectional whipping
What the frick? 4's levels are NOTHING like 1's levels, they're all completely different. Half of 4 is spent outside of the castle while CV1 starts in it. Have you actually played 4 or are you just spouting shit from the egoraptor video? Chronicles is a better remake yes but that's because 4 isn't trying to be a close remake, it's a complete reimagining.
>What the frick? 4's levels are NOTHING like 1's levels
Are you fricking stupid? What he means is that the levels were designed for monodirectional whip controls and he's right. IV's whip breaks the game because the levels weren't properly designed with it in mind. The whip feels like a last minute addition, it simply doesn't work right.
The enemies, sure. But the level design is clearly based around the whip and having the ability to move while in the air. The level design is absolutely nothing like CV1. The amount of times you have to swing with your whip or the spots where a lot of tight platforming is required like the chandelier section are clearly built around 4's movement/whip than 1's. 4's level design is most likely built around more heavy platforming because they knew basic enemies where easier to handle, so more emphasis was placed on platforming as the game's challenge.
Bosses in 4 are also built around the whip. The dragon's heads move way too fast to work with a one-directional whip, and the gold bat, gaibon, and death float above you a lot which means you have to whip up to hit them most of the time. Wiggling the whip around is also one of the best ways to deal with projectile spam since Simon's hitbox in 4 is so big.
I think the stupid one here is you if you can't see how 4 is nothing like 1 in terms of level design.
>breaks the game
bro
the game was designed with the multi-directional whip in mind, you act as if being a spiritual remake of the first magically means it was always intended for a straight whip. this isn't the game being "broken" by a core tested and designed mechanic, that's just the game inherently being easy and expecting you to whip at these spots and directions. they just made an easier CV game, simple as that.
I wouldn't have ever played more castlevania if 1-3 were the standard. They were too difficult for me and I usually dropped them after a couple levels... except CV2 which I dropped after 20 minutes of walking in circles
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filtered by castlevania 1
lol
lmao even
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That's most people
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And that's fine. Say what people will with the hardcore git gud crowd shit, the Igavanias are well-beloved and only a couple of them are actually hard, and CV1 and especially the US version of 3 will put proverbial hair on your chest but it's fine to like and settle for Super because it's more lenient.
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>except CV2 which I dropped after 20 minutes of walking in circles
you gotta play the romhack by that autistic finnish guy that has a proper english translation and a map
no, you don't get it. the game designers didn't think through the implications of giving the player more movement options and how it would affect the rest of the game. i'm an armchair gamedev
They let a fujo lady start drawing Belmonts with Symphony of the Night.
In recent years Konami seems to be pushing them back to be ripped like JoJo characters.
Barbarian Simon is here to stay.
Anyone else really like how the belmonts control in smash and wish there was a CV game where they had pretty much the exact same moveset >but sotn
No, that's not what I mean it does not have the same feel.
>Super Castlevania 4's levels are based on Castlevania's levels which aren't designed for multidirectional whipping
Not really. The game as a whole is a retelling of Castlevania but the actual levels feature vastly different settings and far more setpieces. You DID play both games right?
While Chronicles also features some brand new locations, it also borrows much more music and level inspiration from Castlevania 1 than Castlevania 4.
James did have a point since the more versatile whipping got rid of the artificial difficulty that the original trilogy had. Which is probably why he gushes over this feature so much.
difficulty
Putting limitations on the players control isn't artificial difficulty, the entire game is designed around it. It's not the games fault that you're a shitter who can't be bothered to learn a different control scheme.
>Game has limitations >DURRRRR ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY!
I guess subweapon ammo is artificial difficulty too, right? I mean shit, rng subweapons in general right? Frick it, why didn't they just give the belmonts a gun instead? a whip is just artificial difficulty
>normie boomer gamer
Does the average normalgay suck ass at games as much as he does? If you've ever actually played the games he covers, you find very quickly that he's a COMPLETE shitter. And it's not just playing up a persona, he's that shit playing with Mike too.
yes. very few kids ever actually beat hard retro games. they'd get to like the third level and then quit every time to go outside and play baseball and pogs.
It's good but it does feel like a "Castlevania bootleg" than anything with it's own identity. Granted that's the entire point but since it's so similar you notice things like how Miriam is slower and most sluggish than most Metroidvania protagonists but you eventually get used to it.
Do you care more for Castlevania as a property with the characters, story, iconic enemies and so forth, and play Castlevania games because they're Castlevania? It'll feel like an accurate but cheap knockoff. Do you play them for the gameplay first and foremost? You'll be right at home.
I love the series and enjoyed the TV series very much. It's already been confirmed as non canon so they were able to make artistic liberties with the lore.
Nocturne is much weaker than the original but it's more Castlevania so I'm still glad to have it.
>All Castlevania is good.
Judgement was so embarrassing I dropped the series as a while from that point. With LoS being the next major entry, it looks like I made the right call.
I get people preferring Super though. Super plays differently, but it's not necessarily bad. Play on the second loop and it will definitely kick your ass despite the directional whip.
Bloodlines felt cheap to me the first few times I tried it. Very small amount of invincibility, and not a lot of weight to whipping and killing enemies. The boss rush theme also kind of gets old for Castlevania. It works for one-off stages like in Rondo where Shaft is the entire stage, but in Bloodlines it gets kind of annoying. Limited continues is also weird for Castlevania. Once I finally forced myself to get through it and beat it, I can appreciate it a little more. I don't think I'd rank it higher than Super overall, but I appreciate it being harder overall. Super at least steps up the difficulty once you get to the castle.
>Honestly, Super, Rondo and Bloodlines are all good. If you liked one then you should play them all and you have no excuse by now
that's not how this works, anon
you're only allowed to like one (1) game per console generation for a series, and the rest are shit
that's how this board works
even then i feel like the only major difficulty spike is versailles where you have to figure out the green whip guys and where to stand when fighting the pillar face boss to not get completely assfricked. i guess whip swinging can feel a little awkward too, but iirc you're invincible during the animation and it counts as an attack
i haven't played nes vania in a long ass time but i remember them being far more consistently brutal
Bloodlines was ass after Germany, that part was the part that made almost quit the game, that and the fact that the game never actually tells you how to whip swing,
But bear in mind that Bloodlines has limited continues, CV1 and 3 didnt, so you could slam your head into a wall and power through it, Bloodlines doesnt give you that luxury, so it FEELS more brutal.
>the game never tells you how to whip swing
The game intuitively teaches you how to do it in stage 1 when you have the skeletons on the platform above you and you naturally jump up and whip upwards to attack them. You DID learn there, didn't you?
i like the dracula castle gimmick but most the bosses after germany are pretty meh >the game never actually tells you how to whip swing
this homie didn't read the manual lmao
Man the Dracula gaunlet was fricking hard, until I learned how to no hit it, then it was easy.
The manual told you. Remember game manuals?
I 'member.
>manuals I played it on a emulator earlier this year, not OG hardware.
I already knew about it being a thing, I just didnt know how to do it, since, well, I played 4 first, and swinging there has special things to do it.
I wish I had manuals, all the games I had were catridge only, I didnt even have the boxes, only the games and the consoles.
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>I played it on a emulator earlier this year, not OG hardware.
You can search "(game) manual" for almost any old game and have the first result be a direct link to a scanned pdf. Especially so when it's a game that was on the Genesis Mini and the manual is hosted on Sega's own website.
He did though, its called Aria of Sorrow, the only bad thing about that game is the fact that you cant skip the 6 prologue with the japanese twink, other than that, pretty solid.
The first lords of shadow was the most good game I've ever played, not great, not bad, just good and we like it. Fricking shame what happened to the series.
>tfw the only female belmont is non canon
I swear, one of my dreams in this life is getting around and learning how to program to do 2 things, an actual Hugh mode for CotM and a Legends remake.
>and a Legends remake
been on my ass but glad to know I'm not the only one who wants to try at it. The game had some good ideas buried underneath all that. If I were to make a Legends ReBirth: >either take inspiration from Simon's Quest and make it about exploring or Belmont's Revenge and do the 'area select screen' >soul and sub-weapon combinations like HoD >tie in some time-travel; have Victor Belmont get teleported into the castle from his time in the 1800s >Galamoth as the true final villain
Moonlight Rhapsody has a female Belmont, who's inexplicably active along with her brother in 1870. The game doesn't explain why the Belmonts are around after the whip got cursed.
No, because the original RKA is a damn near 10/10 video game and there's not much better than it in general. Bloodlines is way better than either Sparkster game though.
I'm actually way more annoyed with the second netflix series as it does more character assassination on the Rondo cast than the first one did to CV3 (although Alucard's buttfricking will live in infamy).
Black person, you're looking for reasons to justify hating the show. It was just a plot device to have Alucard almost get killed.
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The fact you're defending a video game character getting assfricked is just strange, that's all.
Does it satisfy your gay kink or something?
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We found the Alucard self inserter.
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YJK that they didn't make him get anal raped completely naturally and without any outside influence though. If the show was made in 1995 they would've made him get reverse raped like how it SHOULD be, and it would be kino then
1 - They like to add rape (Beserk Manga)
2 - They wanted to add something homesexual for western audience (yes, normies don't care if its rape if he's taking it in the ass, remember all the prison soap jokes)
I'm convinced that all the people who suck IV's dick have never actually beaten it all the way through because it has one of the worst and most unfun final few levels in any of the Castlevanias I've played. Simon is so big in IV that he becomes unwieldy for the shitty platforming and annoying bosses in the final sections and you die alot to stuff you shouldnt have. It's a fun game, but no where near as good as other entries and Bloodlines indeed mogs the shit out of it.
You duck, whip, move, repeat until he loses the lance, then you back off and whip him when he comes near you, move and repeat. He shouldn't even touch you at all.
>Bloodlines had extremely tight controls, so much so that I eventually got good enough that I would not even get hit once by enemies.
And I did the same thing with 4, with it being less annoying to maneuver than Bloodlines, whats your point? Just admit you got filtered by the easiest Classicvania bro, no shame in that.
I didn't get filtered, I BEAT the game anon. Get it through your moronic skull that I'm saying the final levels of IV were shit, because they are.
What, how?
You duck, whip, move, repeat until he loses the lance, then you back off and whip him when he comes near you, move and repeat. He shouldn't even touch you at all.
Once he loses the spear, he has a one frame damage attack with no tell that has a hitbox larger than him. Even speedrun trannies hate Slogra because he is just unfun garbage.
>using speedrun trannies as the measure of a boss difficulty when they want things to end as fast as possible instead of waiting for enemies to leave themselves open which Slogra fricking does when you back away and wait for him to get within whip distance.
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Ok then anon, everyone in the world is wrong but you, Slogra is actually the easiest boss in the game and fairly designed.
Fricking troglodyte. I bet you haven't even beaten Dracula X.
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for enemies to leave themselves open which Slogra fricking does when you back away and wait for him to get within whip distance
You don't get to decide whether you "back away and wait" during phase 2 of Slogra, either he does the insta-lunge when he lands or he doesn't.
I don't like SC4 but I love the boss rush at the end. Gaibon and Death are some of the only fights in the game that feel like they were designed with 8-directional whipping in mind, and Death and Dracula are basically the only times in the entire game where whip-flailing is useful. The real late-game bullshit in 4 is the Frankenstein bridge that randomly kills you.
>baka gaijins complaining about the limited continues because they played the version with anti-rental mechanics
Should've played the original, unmolested version.
The 8 way whipping would have been fine if it weren't also for the frickhuge sprites that make the whip ridiculously OP and the subweapons fricking pointless.
The music fricking blows too. I get they were trying to show off the snes sound with a ambient thing, but now its like someone playing back a never ending distorted fart through an snes.
Or the pointless mode 7 gimmicks.
Basically just launch game shit, probably demands from higher ups at Konami or Nintendo. Otherwise its a decent castlevania game and its hard to frick that up.
I would say yes. Legacy of Darkness has enough differences that if you liked C64 and just want more of it, there will be enough changes to make it engaging. People say Legacy of Darkness is a straight upgrade to C64 but I actually like some of the C64 level design better than LoD. LoD's definitely better overall, just not in every single facet.
People kept claiming that making a collection of the DS trilogy for modern systems would be too much work due to the occasional touch control gimmick but it turns out Retro Arch with the melon core already lets you map a touch cursor to either analog stick and touch input to a button. Don't have the time currently to replay these games so no clue how it actually feels to do the seals in Dawn or play Sisters Mode in Portrait but if anyone here wants to go through them soon then why not try this out?
I tried to play the first one but my crippling arachnophobia kicked in so hard the moment I saw the first boss was a hyper realistic spider I closed the game on instinct and never tried it again.
I heard they are pretty good though, the even have OG Alucards voice.
I tried to play the first one but my crippling arachnophobia kicked in so hard the moment I saw the first boss was a hyper realistic spider I closed the game on instinct and never tried it again.
I heard they are pretty good though, the even have OG Alucards voice.
Really underrated gem. Not worse then BL or Super IV. Hard has new ways.
This game more important then stupid 16 bit holywar.
Also nobody love sharp castlevania?
it has interesting ideas but it's annoying to play and figuring out where to go and what to do pretty much requires a guide. the level design of the mansions really sucks. the music is kino as usual.
Its proof that localizers are complete idiots who have been ruining games for decades, since apparently they botched the translation and half assed it. The original Japanese version is apparently no where NEAR as cryptic.
>The original Japanese version is apparently no where NEAR as cryptic.
Literally completely wrong. The japanese version also had cryptic NPCs, along with npcs that literally lied to you. Japs got stuck on the red orb tornado summoning part just like westoids did.
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I agree localizers are usually shit but please do some actual research before spouting shit like that, doing that makes you no better than shitty localizers who never do research into the games they're localizing.
the japanese version sucks ass too, you still have npcs that cheat, and the ones that don't dont really give enough information to know how to progress most of the time
It's kinda lame to play now because you need to grind, it has some obtuse clues that will get you stuck, has a non linear layout and the dungeons are kinda strange but it was critical in creating the metroidvania genre so I guess that's ok.
The aesthetic and specially the music are still 10/10 though.
Any tips for someone playing Castlevania 1 for the first time? I've been getting better but still get stuck at the Frankenstein + tiny hopping guy boss.
The only classicvania I dislike (other than 2) is Rondo. I can see why people like it, but so much of the game feels like hallways and it feels like the devs just fricking gave up at making interesting levels past the first two. The bosses are all pretty good, but I never want to replay it considering how much of a slog some of the levels feel, they're all painfully easy too, even moreso than 4 imo. 4's easy but it's level design puts more emphasis on platforming along with using your whip well, and 4's final levels feel more difficult than anything in Rondo for me. (Frick slogra though)
Bloodlines I think is the objective best classicvania, good interesting levels, good challenge, I just wish some of its boss fights were better, but at least they (mostly) go by pretty quick if you know what you're doing. 3 is also pretty great though the overuse of stairs makes some parts annoying. 1's also pretty great and very tightly designed for a early NES game.
also Curse of the Moon 1 and 2 are great and if you like classicvanias (specifically 3) you need to play them.
Played through some of Hard Mode for CV1 recently and holy shit stage 2 is a b***h. Gave up right before Frankenstein because it was time for bed. Might try again soon.
Coming from a Contra fan that's pleasantly pleased with Operation Galuga (it's good, difficult, but the auto scroll stages are too long), I'm sure Konami will tackle Castlevania again. In house or outsourced, who the frick knows. Also, curious if they would go for action game, classic, or metroidvania.
> PES and that was supposed to be their cash cow
They still have Yu-Gi-Oh! , Bemani, Momotaro Dentetsu and a lot of shit that does well domestically. I want their in house studios to make a comeback in gaming; I don't get why a lot of people are averse to it.
>I want their in house studios to make a comeback in gaming
most of them probably don't even work there anymore as Konami got aggressively corporate with their focus on mobile shit.
>weaker than a underage girl >gets mind-raped by shaft >gets his shit kicked in by alucard >has to let alucard steal the dracula kill >fricks up so hard he makes the entire belmont family lose the vampire killer >went for some boring b***h instead of maria (who alucard later stole)
Is there a bigger frickup in all of CV?
Canonically, how old is Maria during Rondo? Her art is pretty inconsistent. Sometimes she's drawn like a e-girl, other times she looks like a grown woman.
Some 12yo have hidden powers.
All the official art of her in Rondo gives her the biggest honkers in the game, completely mogging the other adult damsels in distress.
>mog
This makes you sound like a moronic Black person
The average IQ of this website was never high but it still somehow seems to drop every year.
Reddit is unironically the superior community.
bloodlines is better than castlevania 4 only by a small margin though. both games are nowhere close to being the best of the series. I personally think that 1, 3, x68000, rondo, dracula x are all better than bloodlines and 4.
not really. Konami just used og designs for Simon and Richter in the mobile game because Super Smash Bros used them because Sakurai likes adapting vidya characters based on their oldest incarnation. I personally like Ayami's designs way more tbh. They look way more unique and gothic
not really. again. it's just Konami who tried to cash in on Smash Bros' popularity. Ayami said that she prefers her redhead design for him. she simply drew him with the old Conan design for the mobile game because Konami asked her to
not really. again. it's just Konami who tried to cash in on Smash Bros' popularity. Ayami said that she prefers her redhead design for him. she simply drew him with the old Conan design for the mobile game because Konami asked her to
In recent years even she's been drawing Simon more like a Barbarian, so it seems like everyone agrees Conan Simon is the way to go.
not really. again. it's just Konami who tried to cash in on Smash Bros' popularity. Ayami said that she prefers her redhead design for him. she simply drew him with the old Conan design for the mobile game because Konami asked her to
Well she's right. Ultimate/Conan Simon is a shitty rip-off of Frazetta art for the cover that homosexuals like James Rolfe think is what the character was supposed to look like. Simon's in-game sprite matches up to his red-headed manual illustration quite nicely, and Ayami's design actually does look like a recreation/re-imagining of this design. IE Simon's ACTUAL design. Also, frick the homosexuals, Ayami's Simon is 10x cooler than the Conan shit, he actually looks like an interesting character.
>mogs the frick out of 4 and bloodlines. >music is god tier where every single track is just great. >level design is amazing. >the werewolf is one of the most memorable boss fights in the entire series.
this game is so underrated. It's my favorite castlevania and it's a shame that the downgraded chronicles version obscures the true masterpiece that was x68k. although michiru yamane was ok, I really wish x68k's music director handled the rest of the series since then.
emulator. You can also finaggle it to run midi synthesizers like you could on OG x68k hardware if you like (not gonna spoonfeed, google this +retroarch)
don't play the chronicles version (even the original mode in the psp remake is botched). it doesn't hold a candle to the x68000 version. you can play it with MAME or px68k but you need to plenty of work to get the original mt32 sound because only MAME supports midi emulation and MAME isn't really user friendly for the uninitiated.
I also loved the whole bridge-doll house-mirror house section. Fake Simon is one of the weakest designed and easiest bosses in the series but the level is great. The Werewolf is one of my favorite bosses in all of Castlevania too just for how far it goes with interacting with the arena.
can't believe that they had rave music for the final drac showdown in this game. the music (CM64 or MT32 versions of it) were definitely the most kino in the series.
The game was clearly designed to be baby's first Castlevania, but I agree on the Werewolf fight, and there were tons of great levels like the ice cave, and the play room. Funny how different Chronicles feels, I can beat X68000 in one try without even losing a life, but I usually game over at least once on Chronicles (no matter what mode I'm playing).
>designed to be babbys first castlevania
they actually made it to be super hard because they thought only hardcore fans would buy an x68k to play castlevania though?
he must be one of those god gamers because even the director of it said that they designed the game to be hard because they thought the x68000 playerbase must be really good at game. you can look up the interview online.
>they actually made it to be super hard because they thought only hardcore fans would buy an x68k to play castlevania though?
IIRC when the game loops back to the beginning it ups the difficulty. A new game is so absurdly easy it isn't even funny (played via X6800 emulation, which was a royal pain in ass to set up). But when I play it via Chronicles, it feels completely different to play. I think maybe "classic mode" might start at the X68000's fourth level of difficulty rather than the first, but even then something about it feels off compared to the X68000 version, like the controls have some sort of delay, or the timing of the stages is different. Like I said, even in Arrange mode I usually game over at least once, whereas I can run the X68000 version blindfolded. It's super weird, like a gameplay Mandela effect.
It's nice to see time has led to the correct opinion being more widespread. I assume CV4 was considered so much better for so long only because of how much easier it is. in spite of Bloodlines being one of the easier classicvania games And now the casuals who used to insist CV4 was the best no longer care enough to argue it.
I know it's the cowards way but they should really just make a Witcher 3 ripoff for a new Castlevania. Base it on Simon's Quest. I miss Simon not being a jobber or ignored.
>I miss Simon not being a jobber or ignored.
He definitely deserves another game. Maybe one that follows up on Dracula's hand popping out of the grave at the end of Simon's Quest.
I like them, but I can see why people may not like them. I do believe it's way overhated though. I personally think it's biggest strength is the atmosphere for both of them. Emulate it and give it a shot.
>4 and dracula x are around the same quality.
I liked dracula x much more because it was more challenging and it respected the player by assuming they would adapt to its challenging gameplay, I felt like the limitations of controls were pretty well done. the dracula boss fight is the sole reason why the game has bad rep.
most people who praise castlevania IV are those who have never played it at launch. the rule of thumb back then was if you paid $50 for a game which you can beat in a single sitting then you were scammed and SCIV was awful because of this, it just wasn't value for money. it was a game made for a more casual audience but it was not for the original castlevania enjoyers. I always doubt the integrity of any person when they claim to like castlevania but they say that their favourite game is SCIV.
Played 1, Bloodstained, SC4 and Dracula X. Beat Dracula X being my first castevania game and I still prefer SC4 combat a lot more, too bad that water level is a dogshit level
The people who DID play it at launch and consider it their favorite were shitters like AVGN who had his parents buy it for him and played it religiously because its the only classicvania which doesn't require you to adapt to the controls.
>the rule of thumb back then was if you paid $50 for a game which you can beat in a single sitting then you were scammed and SCIV was awful because of this >is longer than Castlevania I and III and has a second loop like all the classicvanias
How was it a scam, when games like Contra III were praised back then and that is a 15 game (30 min max with 2nd loop)?
>you can't possibly 1cc contra 3 in a single sitting.
and you can't beat SC4 without dying a few times in a single sitting unless you're a literal speedrunner. Been playing that shit for 25 years. I still die over dumb shit like literally every video game I've ever played.
>and you can't beat SC4 without dying a few times in a single sitting unless you're a literal speedrunner
not him but during my first playthrough I died like twice in castlevania 4 and that too it was during platforming (rotating room). It is really not a hard game. contra 3 is exponentially harder.
There's no way you beat Dracula the first time. I had to replay that shit like 10 times. I don't care how easy the game is, that boss is bullshit.
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OHHHH my bad, you are right but I didn't find dracula hard. the boss rush had me use a continue. gaibon and death were easy but I somehow found slogra to be the hardest part of the game.
I like how your entire argument is basically >well you didn't play it in 1991 when it was new and was a bit too easy for a $50 game and not moron hard like the more primitive NES games where you die every 10 seconds over jank stupid shit which makes that initial price worth it's value more than the game which gives you a better experience but doesn't say frick at every corner.
Literally the most disingenuous shit I've seen in this thread. You cannot argue with anyone that Castlevania 1 was a better $50 than SC4 just because it's harder. You just can't.
>BUT LE JANK CLUNKY CONTROLS KNOCKBACK INSTANT KILL PIT LIMITED CONTINUES OR SOMETHING!
You can just say you were filtered by esoteric NES kino like holy diver or contra, you know.
CV1 had better level design, music and was actually difficult so indeed it was a better game. you wouldn't know but difficulty is content in the arcade era.
Literally no one unironically prefers playing CV1 over SC4. Not a single person. That's the type of contrarian shit where homosexuals will say GTA 2 is better than than Vice City.
Depends. Both of them have different good things over the other. SCIV is obviously lauded for the beautiful graphics and music, but Castlevania has a lot more engaging gameplay that actually requires something from the player.
>but Castlevania has a lot more engaging gameplay that actually requires something from the player.
It's not more engaging though. All it does is throw more enemies at you on-screen while your movement in that game is more limited. It's like every game of it's era.
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>movement is more limited like every game of it's era
Late 80's games are very experimental, some of them have limited movement like you said but a lot don't. Contra, Ninja Gaiden, Mario, etc. are all games that don't limit the players movement a lot, although some have smaller limitations like how in Ninja Gaiden, your jump immediately slows down if you to try to move backwards while you're in it.
The thing about a limited moveset is that IS engaging. Having to struggle with the controls and persevere is engaging. It requires creativity on the level of player to figure out what to do in x situation since there is no easy way out. Compare that to castlevania 4, where you can use the whip for everything, very sad!
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>The thing about a limited moveset is that IS engaging
you know people these days don't like games which doesn't bend over backwards for them. the players don't like to be challenged unless it has some sort of RPG mechanic which mitigates some of the difficulty as they play through it. the death of actually difficult videogames is a tragedy.
>Literally no one unironically prefers playing CV1 over SC4
well I really don't know how to break it to you. there are several people here who would. I actually prefer replaying a lot of castlevania games over SCIV.
your entire argument is moronic since pretty much every NES era konami game was easier in Japan, they only made them harder in the west to stop rentals
SC4's main problem is how frickhuge you and the whip are. You threaten a massive chunk of the screen with your reach at all times. You can also whip through walls, which comes in handy in quite a few spots.
I find 4 harder than both rondo and 1, I honestly don't get why everyone memes about it being easy. Bloodlines and 3 (if you don't use grant) are probably the hardest classic games imo. That said most of 4's difficulty is in the final levels.
Maybe it's just because I'm more ass at platforming than combat in these games but I still get tripped up on 4's final levels while I can 1cc 1 and rondo pretty consistently. I feel like a lot of the rabid hate 4 gets is people overcorrecting for how much some people jerk off 4 I feel that way about rondo honestly, it annoyed me how jerked off it used to be when it honestly is pretty lacking level-design wise.
There are 2 ways
1. keep the spin slash from the previous level (this is extremely easy as long as you don't break the second to last candle on that level and get the boomerang)
2. abuse the spawning mechanics by inching towards the witch until she disappears out of nowhere
i think that really is the gist of it. 1, 3, rondo, bloodlines, and even the ninja gaiden trilogy are pretty forgiving for the first level or so, and then they ratchet up to facefricking if you don't play it careful and know what you're doing. 4 eases you in pretty well and by the time the big boy shit comes out to play, you're versed for almost all of it except the spike at the very end, and that's just expected since hey, end of the game.
>4 eases you in pretty well and by the time the big boy shit comes out to play, you're versed for almost all of it except the spike at the very end
no. good games have a better difficulty curve. 4 really sucks at that. the game is a snoozefest till the last stage and then suddenly cranks it up to 11. the boss rush was the best part of the game.
>I feel like a lot of the rabid hate 4 gets is people overcorrecting for how much some people jerk off 4
That's the thing though. There isn't any rabid hate for it. It's universally agreed to be the best classicvania game by a large margin. It's because of that, it becomes a target for any dorks on internet forums who have problems with anything about it. If Rondo or CV1 were considered the best, they would have torn those to shreds as well if not worse for all the stupid shit in those games too.
>It's universally agreed to be the best classicvania game by a large margin
I'm pretty sure you're just falseflagging or baiting but 4 was always sort of disliked by a lot of fans while having others that loved it. Rondo for the longest time was considered the absolute best (even by those who didn't play it because it was jap only for a long time) then it got more accessible in the west and got its reputation changed.
Honestly 1 and 3 are the ones I've seen the most consistent positive reaction to over the years where opinions haven't really changed on them.
>I'm pretty sure you're just falseflagging or baiting but 4 was always sort of disliked by a lot of fans while having others that loved it.
Nice revisionism. It's one of the best selling games on the fricking console while literally no one even played Rondo until the PSP remake.
>Nice revisionism. It's one of the best selling games on the fricking console
It only sold 500k while CV1 and 3 both sold over a million. Also nice reading comprehension moron, I said Rondo was sucked off so much in the past BECAUSE so few people actually played it.
I've been playing castlevania 3 today, and the entire game is cool as frick but I got stuck on stage 7. It's complete bullshit. I finally found the pattern to avoid getting hit by the falling blocks but I just couldn't jump to the platform because blocks kept falling. I ended up getting softlocked, picrel
anyway thank you for reading my blog post
>Upon Super Castlevania IV's North American release, the game was acclaimed by critics. Nintendo Power gave the game four overall scores of 4.0, 4.0, 4.5 and 4.5 out of 5. Among several items, the magazine cited the game's graphics, music, and action sequences as positives. In 1994 the game was reviewed by Sandy Petersen in Dragon #209's "Eye of the Monitor" column. In 1992, Entertainment Weekly wrote, "Vampire noir: dark, earthy colors; ominous, almost subliminal sound effects — and when your hero swings from chandeliers or dispatches monsters with his iron flail, a spine-tingling sense of impending doom." >Super Castlevania IV has been praised in retrospective reviews as well. In a 1997 Castlevania retrospective, GamePro said it "is still one of the all-time best games". It was named by Nintendo Power in a 2006 issue as the 66th best game made on a Nintendo system. It was ranked 27 in the last issue. Official Nintendo Magazine placed the game at 70 on their list of the 100 best Nintendo games ever. Game Informer's review opined that it "perfect[ed] the classic formula" due to its whip and less stiff gameplay. It also praised its use of Mode 7. In a review for the release on the Wii U's eShop, Nintendo Life wrote "Unlike many of the other 16-bit platformers of the era, the game has a mature and distinguished feel to it", and concluded it was the best of the original Castlevania installments. In 2018, Complex listed the game 13th on their "The Best Super Nintendo Games of All Time", writing: "Next to Symphony of the Night, this is the best Castlevania game of all time. The control is perfect, the progression is perfect, and even the ramping up of the difficulty is flawless, as it gets difficult in all the right spots. Also, it has the best soundtrack ever." In 1996, GamesMaster ranked the game 55th in its "Top 100 Games of All Time". Several publications have lauded it as one of the greatest video games of all time.
I look at SC4 the same way I see DK64. Received universal acclaim by everyone who played it when it was new and then decades of pessimism and internet culture have skewed the narrative.
Just make a new 2D Castlevania where you can whip in all 8 directions. Why the frick is that so hard? Even ripoff Castlevania games like Bloodstained follow the NES formula which is annoying. I don't want to fricking play NES Castlevania or Metroidvanias. I want SUPER CASTLEVANIA 4 style gameplay that's still linear like the classics but better gameplay like 4. Just give me more control and more freedom when it comes to the controls and the whip but make it more challenging as well. Why doesn't anyone ever do this shit.
just got my small chinkheld console and installed a 64gb pack of retro games on it, which Castelvania should I play first? (I'm completely new to the series)
It copies literally every trope from CV2, but goes out of its way to circumvent most of the frustration.
For instance, villagers still lie but there's an item that shows exactly what part of their statement is the lie. And the invisible holes in the floors of the mansions can be spotted because they look slightly off color.
Stuff like that. But it does really expect you to know Castlevania 2's legacy to get the references and puzzles.
I've played every Castlevania including Kid Dracula and Haunted Castle multiple times. Super Castlevania is still the definitive game to me. Also the N64 games aren't nearly as bad as people claimed and I was lied to.
>Also the N64 games aren't nearly as bad as people claimed and I was lied to.
I went through almost the whole series last year (skipped a few oddballs like Haunted Castle and stopped before Lords of Shadow) and was pleasantly surprised by both N64 games. I ended up really liking Dracula X too, which people love to shit on but I think is really ingeniously designed.
Bloodlines is also my favorite. It's also the only one I've beaten. I lose interest really quick in IV for some reason. I and III are hard and I don't have patience.
>Castlevania thread
They are both good.
>bloodlines: two protagonists that play vastly differently, but have their own strengths and weaknesses. the whip isn't over powered and makes using the items worthless - same with the lance.
>super: not designed around the new control scheme. difficulty is not really there, but can still be challenging at times. items aren't as important so you rarely use them. still fun to use the whip.
bloodlines mogs
>items aren't as important so you rarely use them
pic related + boomerang is over powered
>boomerang
>not axe
Pleb
Who tf uses axe? There's literally no reason to use any item except the boomerang.
this. love bloodlines, love 4, love rondo, simple as
Yeah
But I definitely think super just edges it out
>oh no, someone has a different opinion than me
>imagine not just using axe for everything
>"There's two characters to play as!"
>everyone plays as Eric because he can hit in all directions like Simon from 4.
He can't though? He can only hit up and up diagonal from the ground and can't do it while moving, and can only attack downwards while jumping.
Eric kinda feels like ass to play, Morris is more fun because he can swing from ceilings.
I prefer John because he does more damage.
i feel like people don't really appreciate just how much damage morris shits out compared to lacarde, plus his jumping diagonal and swing moves are really good against many of the bosses
NOOOOO YOU"RE SUPPOSED TO PICK SIDES YOU HAVE TO FORM A TRIBE AND HAVE IRRATIONAL HATRED FOR THE OTHER TRIBES
>ummmm actually super castlevania 4 is better because it has 8-directional whipping
>did I tell you I like 8-directional whipping?
>what the frick were they thinking not putting 8-directional whipping in the games after super castlevania 4?
>the nes games are clunky pieces of shit, they need 8-directional whipping
I love James (no homo).
I love anon (yes I love anon)
>AAAA WHY IS HE TALKING ABOUT THE BEST FEATURE OF THE GAME AAA HE MUST BE AN AUTIST
okay Ganker
james literally rode on the sped bus thoughever...
this must've been a b***h to animate for the devs
Maybe not. The arm movement is just 2 sprites and the whip is just a line of pixels that could probably be manipulated with programming tricks to simulate smooth motion.
He's right thoughever.
Full whips controls massively devaule subweapons as the whip can now just basically do everything. Super Castlevania 4's levels are based on Castlevania's levels which aren't designed for multidirectional whipping
Chronicles is a better CV1 remake (it has multi directional whipping but only downwards or down diagonal when you're in the air which is at least better than 8 direction) and Bloodlines is a better game.
>Maria in Rondo
>Girl boss
Maria was a joke character. It's why she's so overpowered and her ending is cutest.
>Full whips controls massively devaule subweapons as the whip can now just basically do everything
Sub-weapons are still useful in 4, especially the knife, axe, and the cross, but yes the whip does mean you'll use them less. The bigger problem is that 4 overloads you with hearts, so you never have to worry about sub-weapon usage.
>Super Castlevania 4's levels are based on Castlevania's levels which aren't designed for multidirectional whipping
What the frick? 4's levels are NOTHING like 1's levels, they're all completely different. Half of 4 is spent outside of the castle while CV1 starts in it. Have you actually played 4 or are you just spouting shit from the egoraptor video? Chronicles is a better remake yes but that's because 4 isn't trying to be a close remake, it's a complete reimagining.
>What the frick? 4's levels are NOTHING like 1's levels
Are you fricking stupid? What he means is that the levels were designed for monodirectional whip controls and he's right. IV's whip breaks the game because the levels weren't properly designed with it in mind. The whip feels like a last minute addition, it simply doesn't work right.
The enemies, sure. But the level design is clearly based around the whip and having the ability to move while in the air. The level design is absolutely nothing like CV1. The amount of times you have to swing with your whip or the spots where a lot of tight platforming is required like the chandelier section are clearly built around 4's movement/whip than 1's. 4's level design is most likely built around more heavy platforming because they knew basic enemies where easier to handle, so more emphasis was placed on platforming as the game's challenge.
Bosses in 4 are also built around the whip. The dragon's heads move way too fast to work with a one-directional whip, and the gold bat, gaibon, and death float above you a lot which means you have to whip up to hit them most of the time. Wiggling the whip around is also one of the best ways to deal with projectile spam since Simon's hitbox in 4 is so big.
I think the stupid one here is you if you can't see how 4 is nothing like 1 in terms of level design.
>missed the money bag
Oof
>breaks the game
bro
the game was designed with the multi-directional whip in mind, you act as if being a spiritual remake of the first magically means it was always intended for a straight whip. this isn't the game being "broken" by a core tested and designed mechanic, that's just the game inherently being easy and expecting you to whip at these spots and directions. they just made an easier CV game, simple as that.
I wouldn't have ever played more castlevania if 1-3 were the standard. They were too difficult for me and I usually dropped them after a couple levels... except CV2 which I dropped after 20 minutes of walking in circles
filtered by castlevania 1
lol
lmao even
That's most people
And that's fine. Say what people will with the hardcore git gud crowd shit, the Igavanias are well-beloved and only a couple of them are actually hard, and CV1 and especially the US version of 3 will put proverbial hair on your chest but it's fine to like and settle for Super because it's more lenient.
>except CV2 which I dropped after 20 minutes of walking in circles
you gotta play the romhack by that autistic finnish guy that has a proper english translation and a map
no, you don't get it. the game designers didn't think through the implications of giving the player more movement options and how it would affect the rest of the game. i'm an armchair gamedev
Anyone else really like how the belmonts control in smash and wish there was a CV game where they had pretty much the exact same moveset
>but sotn
No, that's not what I mean it does not have the same feel.
>Maria was a joke character
This a million times.
A ton of autists think they beat Rondo by playing with her when she was the easy mode all along.
>Super Castlevania 4's levels are based on Castlevania's levels which aren't designed for multidirectional whipping
Not really. The game as a whole is a retelling of Castlevania but the actual levels feature vastly different settings and far more setpieces. You DID play both games right?
While Chronicles also features some brand new locations, it also borrows much more music and level inspiration from Castlevania 1 than Castlevania 4.
he's right though
James did have a point since the more versatile whipping got rid of the artificial difficulty that the original trilogy had. Which is probably why he gushes over this feature so much.
difficulty
Putting limitations on the players control isn't artificial difficulty, the entire game is designed around it. It's not the games fault that you're a shitter who can't be bothered to learn a different control scheme.
>artificial difficulty
have a nice day in minecraft
>Game has limitations
>DURRRRR ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY!
I guess subweapon ammo is artificial difficulty too, right? I mean shit, rng subweapons in general right? Frick it, why didn't they just give the belmonts a gun instead? a whip is just artificial difficulty
James is a normie boomer gamer. Yes he liked having less restrictive, more powerful control, it's a natural opinion.
>normie boomer gamer
Does the average normalgay suck ass at games as much as he does? If you've ever actually played the games he covers, you find very quickly that he's a COMPLETE shitter. And it's not just playing up a persona, he's that shit playing with Mike too.
yes. very few kids ever actually beat hard retro games. they'd get to like the third level and then quit every time to go outside and play baseball and pogs.
Classic Castlevania is good.
Metroidvenia Castlevania is good.
All Castlevania is good.
No more brother wars.
This.
I like 4 more than Bloodlines though.
Is Bloodstained good?
It's good but it does feel like a "Castlevania bootleg" than anything with it's own identity. Granted that's the entire point but since it's so similar you notice things like how Miriam is slower and most sluggish than most Metroidvania protagonists but you eventually get used to it.
Yeah, is it janky? Yes, but so are most games on this series.
I was surprised but yea it really is. Really has a lot of content too.
it looks ass but plays pretty much like dawn
soundtrack is serviceable but disappointing
plays good but it feels empty
really it's just Iga flexing his reputation over the genre but as a proper game it's not that good
Play the two spin off games
They’re fantastic
Do you care more for Castlevania as a property with the characters, story, iconic enemies and so forth, and play Castlevania games because they're Castlevania? It'll feel like an accurate but cheap knockoff. Do you play them for the gameplay first and foremost? You'll be right at home.
>I like 4 more than Bloodlines though.
based Miriam poster
As long as we agree that Mercury Steamvania is not Castlevania
After seeing them save Metroid, I wanna see Mercury Steam take another shot at Castlevania.
Ditch Lords of Shadow and make something in the original timeline.
Nobody who actually cares about the franchise believes that.
Just like nobody who actually likes the franchise cares for the Netflix slop.
I love the series and enjoyed the TV series very much. It's already been confirmed as non canon so they were able to make artistic liberties with the lore.
Nocturne is much weaker than the original but it's more Castlevania so I'm still glad to have it.
>this dog turd has a Castlevania sticker on it? yummy yummy it suddenly taste good because it's non canon
just as planned
>All Castlevania is good.
The netflix cartoon exists so you're wrong.
That isn't Castlevania.
I hope they cancel that shit. I don't understand how it has fans.
I will never accept LoS slop.
>All Castlevania is good.
Judgement was so embarrassing I dropped the series as a while from that point. With LoS being the next major entry, it looks like I made the right call.
most genesis games were better than their snes counter parts
What about Megaman Wily Wars?
Can you whip in 8 directions though?
Yes, with either character.
And the soundtrack is super fricking good, too.
That Germany level immediately comes to mind.
Yes. Your mom loves it.
I miss Castlevania so much. I hate video games.
>Mogs both
This.
I get people preferring Super though. Super plays differently, but it's not necessarily bad. Play on the second loop and it will definitely kick your ass despite the directional whip.
Bloodlines felt cheap to me the first few times I tried it. Very small amount of invincibility, and not a lot of weight to whipping and killing enemies. The boss rush theme also kind of gets old for Castlevania. It works for one-off stages like in Rondo where Shaft is the entire stage, but in Bloodlines it gets kind of annoying. Limited continues is also weird for Castlevania. Once I finally forced myself to get through it and beat it, I can appreciate it a little more. I don't think I'd rank it higher than Super overall, but I appreciate it being harder overall. Super at least steps up the difficulty once you get to the castle.
extremely based
Honestly, Super, Rondo and Bloodlines are all good. If you liked one then you should play them all and you have no excuse by now.
It's good and addictive.
One of the few games I 100% (including Portrait of Ruin) and enjoyed every second.
>Honestly, Super, Rondo and Bloodlines are all good. If you liked one then you should play them all and you have no excuse by now
that's not how this works, anon
you're only allowed to like one (1) game per console generation for a series, and the rest are shit
that's how this board works
>Super, Rondo and Bloodlines are all good.
i like all of them but Super is the weakest of the bunch by far
>Honestly, Super, Rondo and Bloodlines are all good. If you liked one then you should play them all and you have no excuse by now.
Based.
The new art direction is gay, and it's too easy. Pic related is the true classicvania champion followed by x86000/Chronicles
god CV3 is so fricking fun, it's so insanely rewarding to get good at
Ninja Gaiden nes trilogy clears Classicvania though.
Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 are great, but I feel like 3 was pretty weak.
Castlevania 1 and 3 were great but 2 was weak.
I'd say they're about even.
I liked it more than 4 I also liked rogue corps more than 3.
Rondo > Bloodlines > 4
But they're all great
Nice opinion.
Did a youtuber give it you?
No, I've played them both separately and came to this conclusion entirely from my own experience and judgement
t. OP
This game is fricking gay. Worst one in the series.
As expected from Gayga.
I did have a lot of fun with bloodlines
MUH WHIP MOFFUGA
Did they go too far?
Personally I didn't really like them tying the game's lore into the actual novel but since that happened over 30 years ago I had to get used to it.
Its not 1:1 though, its more like an alternate version of the novel is canon to the series, not the OG one, its weird.
That is just a ripoff of the OG vampire.
I would sacrifice my soul and first born for a Castlevania made by the Sekiro team.
i don't understand people who say bloodlines is as hard as the nes games
Probably people like me who first timed Bloodlines with John on hard.
Wouldnt recommend.
even then i feel like the only major difficulty spike is versailles where you have to figure out the green whip guys and where to stand when fighting the pillar face boss to not get completely assfricked. i guess whip swinging can feel a little awkward too, but iirc you're invincible during the animation and it counts as an attack
i haven't played nes vania in a long ass time but i remember them being far more consistently brutal
Bloodlines was ass after Germany, that part was the part that made almost quit the game, that and the fact that the game never actually tells you how to whip swing,
But bear in mind that Bloodlines has limited continues, CV1 and 3 didnt, so you could slam your head into a wall and power through it, Bloodlines doesnt give you that luxury, so it FEELS more brutal.
>the game never tells you how to whip swing
The game intuitively teaches you how to do it in stage 1 when you have the skeletons on the platform above you and you naturally jump up and whip upwards to attack them. You DID learn there, didn't you?
i like the dracula castle gimmick but most the bosses after germany are pretty meh
>the game never actually tells you how to whip swing
this homie didn't read the manual lmao
Man the Dracula gaunlet was fricking hard, until I learned how to no hit it, then it was easy.
>manuals
I played it on a emulator earlier this year, not OG hardware.
I already knew about it being a thing, I just didnt know how to do it, since, well, I played 4 first, and swinging there has special things to do it.
I wish I had manuals, all the games I had were catridge only, I didnt even have the boxes, only the games and the consoles.
>I played it on a emulator earlier this year, not OG hardware.
You can search "(game) manual" for almost any old game and have the first result be a direct link to a scanned pdf. Especially so when it's a game that was on the Genesis Mini and the manual is hosted on Sega's own website.
Why did you post a israelite?
The manual told you. Remember game manuals?
I 'member.
The ultimate 16 bit CV game would be the physics and control of 4 with Bloodlines music and ambience.
Both are great but both have their own faults.
It's a shame Julius never got his own game.
He did though, its called Aria of Sorrow, the only bad thing about that game is the fact that you cant skip the 6 prologue with the japanese twink, other than that, pretty solid.
6 hour prologue*
I think you got it backwards there buddy. Bloodlines has the best whip in the series while IV has the best ambience.
>Bloodlines is the only Castlevania game with limited continues
For what fricking purpose
they added a password system so you would have to do a humiliation ritual to continue
I think it had something to do with the Genesis' reputation as a "hardcore" console. There's unlimited continues in the JP version.
Wrong. Konami did it with all their 16 bit games because of the rental market.
Japs couldn't rent games so they could afford to be easier.
Westoids could rent, so the made the games harder. That way it was cheaper to buy them instead of making multiple rentals.
>fricking desmond
>desmond and gabriel
The first lords of shadow was the most good game I've ever played, not great, not bad, just good and we like it. Fricking shame what happened to the series.
You literally made this last night. Why do you homosexuals have so much autism?
Female Simon Belmont
>tfw the only female belmont is non canon
I swear, one of my dreams in this life is getting around and learning how to program to do 2 things, an actual Hugh mode for CotM and a Legends remake.
>and a Legends remake
been on my ass but glad to know I'm not the only one who wants to try at it. The game had some good ideas buried underneath all that. If I were to make a Legends ReBirth:
>either take inspiration from Simon's Quest and make it about exploring or Belmont's Revenge and do the 'area select screen'
>soul and sub-weapon combinations like HoD
>tie in some time-travel; have Victor Belmont get teleported into the castle from his time in the 1800s
>Galamoth as the true final villain
Moonlight Rhapsody has a female Belmont, who's inexplicably active along with her brother in 1870. The game doesn't explain why the Belmonts are around after the whip got cursed.
Already had Sonia, the mother of the Belmont clan.
She's not big enough; she has to be buff like Simon
>Alucard got her pregnant
She had to be decanonized, I'm sorry anon.
I have never played any of these games. I played Rocket Knight, is Bloodlines better?
Which Rocket Knight?
No, because the original RKA is a damn near 10/10 video game and there's not much better than it in general. Bloodlines is way better than either Sparkster game though.
I'm actually way more annoyed with the second netflix series as it does more character assassination on the Rondo cast than the first one did to CV3 (although Alucard's buttfricking will live in infamy).
Man, Maria was already girlboss in Rondo, yet still they managed to make her more unlikable, what the frick.
>Maria was already girlboss in Rondo
Explain yourself.
I worded myself poorly.
Alucard was 13 mentally years in an adult body. He was sad, lonely and depressed.
The Jap twins raped him to lower his guard before trying to kill him. Did you miss the shot of him crying while being sodomized? He didn't enjoy it.
Why was it even added other than to be controversial edgy shit?
Because the Japs saw how emotionally frail and vulnerable he was so they raped him to lower his guard then moving in for the kill.
and why was that added in the first place?
Why do women seduce men?
To get what they want.
Black person, you're looking for reasons to justify hating the show. It was just a plot device to have Alucard almost get killed.
The fact you're defending a video game character getting assfricked is just strange, that's all.
Does it satisfy your gay kink or something?
We found the Alucard self inserter.
YJK that they didn't make him get anal raped completely naturally and without any outside influence though. If the show was made in 1995 they would've made him get reverse raped like how it SHOULD be, and it would be kino then
1 - They like to add rape (Beserk Manga)
2 - They wanted to add something homesexual for western audience (yes, normies don't care if its rape if he's taking it in the ass, remember all the prison soap jokes)
Anyone else played Revamped because of Jared?
Thats the Metroidvania CV1? I watched Jupiter play it, I havent done it because I havent finished OG CV1 yet.
i played revamp because some anon posted about it. It was okey, i guess.
Too short and 4 has better level variety but I'd agree with you if that wasn't the case
love how zombies falls apart in bloodlines
I get people preferring Bloodlines, but the CV4 hate wagon its just stupid.
I'm convinced that all the people who suck IV's dick have never actually beaten it all the way through because it has one of the worst and most unfun final few levels in any of the Castlevanias I've played. Simon is so big in IV that he becomes unwieldy for the shitty platforming and annoying bosses in the final sections and you die alot to stuff you shouldnt have. It's a fun game, but no where near as good as other entries and Bloodlines indeed mogs the shit out of it.
>he dies to Slogra, Gaibon, and Death and one of the easiest Draculas in the series
man, just admit you suck.
Dude, Slogra is famous for being bullshit.
What, how?
You duck, whip, move, repeat until he loses the lance, then you back off and whip him when he comes near you, move and repeat. He shouldn't even touch you at all.
>you die alot to stuff you shouldnt have
Like in Bloodlines!
Bloodlines had extremely tight controls, so much so that I eventually got good enough that I would not even get hit once by enemies.
>Bloodlines had extremely tight controls, so much so that I eventually got good enough that I would not even get hit once by enemies.
And I did the same thing with 4, with it being less annoying to maneuver than Bloodlines, whats your point? Just admit you got filtered by the easiest Classicvania bro, no shame in that.
I didn't get filtered, I BEAT the game anon. Get it through your moronic skull that I'm saying the final levels of IV were shit, because they are.
Once he loses the spear, he has a one frame damage attack with no tell that has a hitbox larger than him. Even speedrun trannies hate Slogra because he is just unfun garbage.
The weapon factory in Bloodlines has the SAME problem than 4s last strech.
>using speedrun trannies as the measure of a boss difficulty when they want things to end as fast as possible instead of waiting for enemies to leave themselves open which Slogra fricking does when you back away and wait for him to get within whip distance.
Ok then anon, everyone in the world is wrong but you, Slogra is actually the easiest boss in the game and fairly designed.
Fricking troglodyte. I bet you haven't even beaten Dracula X.
for enemies to leave themselves open which Slogra fricking does when you back away and wait for him to get within whip distance
You don't get to decide whether you "back away and wait" during phase 2 of Slogra, either he does the insta-lunge when he lands or he doesn't.
I'm convinced you never beat 3 if you're complaining about 4's difficulty
I HAVE beaten 3, and it WAS bullshit, I'm just saying that IV shits the bed at the end in a way that soured my enjoyment of the game.
I don't like SC4 but I love the boss rush at the end. Gaibon and Death are some of the only fights in the game that feel like they were designed with 8-directional whipping in mind, and Death and Dracula are basically the only times in the entire game where whip-flailing is useful. The real late-game bullshit in 4 is the Frankenstein bridge that randomly kills you.
CVIV final stretch is military grade kino and I will not have shitters such as yourself besmirch it
bloodlines is based, but it is merely the third best classicvania, behind super 4 at the #2 spot and rondo of blood at the #1 spot
>merely
Weird how you got the order all wrong by forgetting CV3 at the first spot.
Too bad it was on a shitter system. By which I mean a system for shitters.
Yes. Yes it does.
>baka gaijins complaining about the limited continues because they played the version with anti-rental mechanics
Should've played the original, unmolested version.
The 8 way whipping would have been fine if it weren't also for the frickhuge sprites that make the whip ridiculously OP and the subweapons fricking pointless.
The music fricking blows too. I get they were trying to show off the snes sound with a ambient thing, but now its like someone playing back a never ending distorted fart through an snes.
Or the pointless mode 7 gimmicks.
Basically just launch game shit, probably demands from higher ups at Konami or Nintendo. Otherwise its a decent castlevania game and its hard to frick that up.
>The music fricking blows too
Shut your prostitute mouth.
Frick off and go back to listening to farts and occasionally squeeky farts. Outside the first area this game doesn't have a fricking soundtrack.
>The music fricking blows too
>The music fricking blows too
>The music fricking blows too.
>The music fricking blows too.
>the music fricking blows too
>The music fricking blows too
>Konami game
Fricking bull shit anon
I bet you played it on some shitty emulator or something
>The music fricking blows too
That last level is damn hard though
>people are still arguing and throwing shit at each other instead of enjoying things for what they are
>thinking people that come here have social skills
>it's all so tiresome
The candelabra jumping section in 4 was peak design. That always got me tense.
why yes I still walk in circles for 30 minutes in CV64 garden
Is playing both versions of CV64 worth it?
No, Legacy of Darkness is the director's cut.
I know that already, but I read somewhere that OG and LoD had some differences, in story, gameplay and the like.
I would say yes. Legacy of Darkness has enough differences that if you liked C64 and just want more of it, there will be enough changes to make it engaging. People say Legacy of Darkness is a straight upgrade to C64 but I actually like some of the C64 level design better than LoD. LoD's definitely better overall, just not in every single facet.
I see, thanks anons, I will give them both a try when I have the time.
dogman's game alters stuff but the broad strokes are still the same, I'd wait a bit between the two
unironically yelled KINOOOOOOO
People kept claiming that making a collection of the DS trilogy for modern systems would be too much work due to the occasional touch control gimmick but it turns out Retro Arch with the melon core already lets you map a touch cursor to either analog stick and touch input to a button. Don't have the time currently to replay these games so no clue how it actually feels to do the seals in Dawn or play Sisters Mode in Portrait but if anyone here wants to go through them soon then why not try this out?
My phone cant run Melon.
convince me to play eric's fangames with soundtrack
I tried to play the first one but my crippling arachnophobia kicked in so hard the moment I saw the first boss was a hyper realistic spider I closed the game on instinct and never tried it again.
I heard they are pretty good though, the even have OG Alucards voice.
what are you dudes talking about?
there are two eric lecarde fangames which I'm too drunk to recall the proper titles of
it mogs SCV4 just like Quincy mogs his son and grandson
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3
>Fallout 3
Opinion discarded.
what a horrible page 10 to have a curse
What a terrible night to be on page 10
Rebirth is the best.
Really underrated gem. Not worse then BL or Super IV. Hard has new ways.
This game more important then stupid 16 bit holywar.
Also nobody love sharp castlevania?
Is it really as bad as everyone says?
it has interesting ideas but it's annoying to play and figuring out where to go and what to do pretty much requires a guide. the level design of the mansions really sucks. the music is kino as usual.
it's an extremely overhated and fun game if you play the finnish improvement hack with the map
Its proof that localizers are complete idiots who have been ruining games for decades, since apparently they botched the translation and half assed it. The original Japanese version is apparently no where NEAR as cryptic.
>The original Japanese version is apparently no where NEAR as cryptic.
Literally completely wrong. The japanese version also had cryptic NPCs, along with npcs that literally lied to you. Japs got stuck on the red orb tornado summoning part just like westoids did.
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I agree localizers are usually shit but please do some actual research before spouting shit like that, doing that makes you no better than shitty localizers who never do research into the games they're localizing.
the japanese version sucks ass too, you still have npcs that cheat, and the ones that don't dont really give enough information to know how to progress most of the time
>telling lies on the internet
It's kinda lame to play now because you need to grind, it has some obtuse clues that will get you stuck, has a non linear layout and the dungeons are kinda strange but it was critical in creating the metroidvania genre so I guess that's ok.
The aesthetic and specially the music are still 10/10 though.
Play the retranslation + map version
It’s much better
Will it run on original hardware?
If you have a flash cart, yes
Works great, it also lets you save and seamless day/night transitions
Playing this game as a kid really made me wish there was ANY horror kino set during WW1
Amnesia the Bunker.
wasn't there a recent horror game where a dinosaur is chasing you through the trenches?
You gotta play Amnesia: The Bunker if you haven't yet. It's probably the best game in that series.
Yea because it's the only one that lets you fight back.
but it strikes that balance of doing that while not letting the player be too powerful that it kills the tension, that's the big thing for me.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1286990/CONSCRIPT/
Any tips for someone playing Castlevania 1 for the first time? I've been getting better but still get stuck at the Frankenstein + tiny hopping guy boss.
>Frankenstein
follow the NFT strat and knife him to death
NFT?
https://opensea.io/assets/ethereum/0x495f947276749ce646f68ac8c248420045cb7b5e/76822989335434484463650117884557904463548554515250910540000741677556155023361
>Any tips for someone playing Castlevania 1
get the holy water
get II and III tablets
do not get rid of the holy water
The only classicvania I dislike (other than 2) is Rondo. I can see why people like it, but so much of the game feels like hallways and it feels like the devs just fricking gave up at making interesting levels past the first two. The bosses are all pretty good, but I never want to replay it considering how much of a slog some of the levels feel, they're all painfully easy too, even moreso than 4 imo. 4's easy but it's level design puts more emphasis on platforming along with using your whip well, and 4's final levels feel more difficult than anything in Rondo for me. (Frick slogra though)
Bloodlines I think is the objective best classicvania, good interesting levels, good challenge, I just wish some of its boss fights were better, but at least they (mostly) go by pretty quick if you know what you're doing. 3 is also pretty great though the overuse of stairs makes some parts annoying. 1's also pretty great and very tightly designed for a early NES game.
also Curse of the Moon 1 and 2 are great and if you like classicvanias (specifically 3) you need to play them.
I love that skeleton
best castlemania
Agreed, The cultists don't want to hear the truth but it's fact.
too hard for me. i like that i can actually get pretty far in super castlevania iv
>you're bad
yes
Played through some of Hard Mode for CV1 recently and holy shit stage 2 is a b***h. Gave up right before Frankenstein because it was time for bed. Might try again soon.
Do you think Konami will ever make a real castlevania game ever again
Coming from a Contra fan that's pleasantly pleased with Operation Galuga (it's good, difficult, but the auto scroll stages are too long), I'm sure Konami will tackle Castlevania again. In house or outsourced, who the frick knows. Also, curious if they would go for action game, classic, or metroidvania.
Iga made 2. Play Curse of the Moon 1-2.
I hope not.
why not? They're making MGS Delta and Silent Hill f, new Castlevania is inevitable.
I don't trust them not to frick it up.
Konami can't even make a decent PES and that was supposed to be their cash cow
> PES and that was supposed to be their cash cow
They still have Yu-Gi-Oh! , Bemani, Momotaro Dentetsu and a lot of shit that does well domestically. I want their in house studios to make a comeback in gaming; I don't get why a lot of people are averse to it.
>I want their in house studios to make a comeback in gaming
most of them probably don't even work there anymore as Konami got aggressively corporate with their focus on mobile shit.
>I want their in house studios to make a comeback in gamin
Most of their talent left. It wouldn't be the same.
unfortunately it's not impossible
Non-metroidvanias are fricking gay
I fricking love Castlevania and I think the vast majority of games are decent at the very worst, with most of them ranging from good to amazing.
>weaker than a underage girl
>gets mind-raped by shaft
>gets his shit kicked in by alucard
>has to let alucard steal the dracula kill
>fricks up so hard he makes the entire belmont family lose the vampire killer
>went for some boring b***h instead of maria (who alucard later stole)
Is there a bigger frickup in all of CV?
Canonically, how old is Maria during Rondo? Her art is pretty inconsistent. Sometimes she's drawn like a e-girl, other times she looks like a grown woman.
https://castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/Castlevania:_Rondo_of_Blood
>Age: 12
Then why does she have boobs? What kind of 12 year old is that well endowed?
magical bloodline
She shoves turtles in her bra. It also explains how she's a flatty in SotN.
Some 12yo have hidden powers.
All the official art of her in Rondo gives her the biggest honkers in the game, completely mogging the other adult damsels in distress.
Alucard is a lucky man.
sorry dude, even e-girls grow boobs once they give birth and I've impregnated her many times
how the frick did Maria fall in love with Alucard? he has like 4 lines with her during the course of sotn.
listen to the canonical 2008 audio drama tbh
ooo thanks anon. I didn't know it had eng subs.
>mog
This makes you sound like a moronic Black person
The average IQ of this website was never high but it still somehow seems to drop every year.
Reddit is unironically the superior community.
Maria!
Harmony of Despair on Steam when?
I NEED to farm Sonic Boots with Japs at 3 in the morning while spamming voice lines.
bloodlines is better than castlevania 4 only by a small margin though. both games are nowhere close to being the best of the series. I personally think that 1, 3, x68000, rondo, dracula x are all better than bloodlines and 4.
Belmonts have interesting genes tbh
They let a fujo lady start drawing Belmonts with Symphony of the Night.
In recent years Konami seems to be pushing them back to be ripped like JoJo characters.
>Konami
I look forward to the pachinko machines with those manly jaws.
How about those prize machines at arcades?
I fricking want these cards, holy shit.
Those are some gorgeous PNGs.
not really. Konami just used og designs for Simon and Richter in the mobile game because Super Smash Bros used them because Sakurai likes adapting vidya characters based on their oldest incarnation. I personally like Ayami's designs way more tbh. They look way more unique and gothic
Barbarian Simon is here to stay.
>I personally like Ayami's designs way more tbh. They look way more unique and gothic
and by that you mean they look complete homosexual shit.
>that anatomy on the left
Ayami Kojima is the Japanese Rob Liefeld
You’re a fricking moron
Cope artlet
>In recent years Konami seems to be pushing them back to be ripped like JoJo characters.
lol lmao even
>non canon bawd from a coomer game
In recent years even she's been drawing Simon more like a Barbarian, so it seems like everyone agrees Conan Simon is the way to go.
not really. again. it's just Konami who tried to cash in on Smash Bros' popularity. Ayami said that she prefers her redhead design for him. she simply drew him with the old Conan design for the mobile game because Konami asked her to
Dude, the red head madonna is not coming back.
Connan VS Red Sonja.
Well she's right. Ultimate/Conan Simon is a shitty rip-off of Frazetta art for the cover that homosexuals like James Rolfe think is what the character was supposed to look like. Simon's in-game sprite matches up to his red-headed manual illustration quite nicely, and Ayami's design actually does look like a recreation/re-imagining of this design. IE Simon's ACTUAL design. Also, frick the homosexuals, Ayami's Simon is 10x cooler than the Conan shit, he actually looks like an interesting character.
when did tasteless homosexuals openly and shamelessly shitting on kojima art became the norm
Nah, you're wrong and foul smelling.
>mogs the frick out of 4 and bloodlines.
>music is god tier where every single track is just great.
>level design is amazing.
>the werewolf is one of the most memorable boss fights in the entire series.
this game is so underrated. It's my favorite castlevania and it's a shame that the downgraded chronicles version obscures the true masterpiece that was x68k. although michiru yamane was ok, I really wish x68k's music director handled the rest of the series since then.
Yeah no, it’s god but 4 is still better and so is the NES game
Go back where you came from
>using -let without irony
Seek help
have a nice day capn crunch
jeez.... this is embarrassing
bloodlines version for comparison
>4 is still better
nah 4 is boring.
-let without irony
don't forget you're replying to a criminal scum
What's the best way to play it?
emulator. You can also finaggle it to run midi synthesizers like you could on OG x68k hardware if you like (not gonna spoonfeed, google this +retroarch)
don't play the chronicles version (even the original mode in the psp remake is botched). it doesn't hold a candle to the x68000 version. you can play it with MAME or px68k but you need to plenty of work to get the original mt32 sound because only MAME supports midi emulation and MAME isn't really user friendly for the uninitiated.
Avoid Chronicles at all costs
I also loved the whole bridge-doll house-mirror house section. Fake Simon is one of the weakest designed and easiest bosses in the series but the level is great. The Werewolf is one of my favorite bosses in all of Castlevania too just for how far it goes with interacting with the arena.
Chronicles Original Mode I imagine.
can't believe that they had rave music for the final drac showdown in this game. the music (CM64 or MT32 versions of it) were definitely the most kino in the series.
The game was clearly designed to be baby's first Castlevania, but I agree on the Werewolf fight, and there were tons of great levels like the ice cave, and the play room. Funny how different Chronicles feels, I can beat X68000 in one try without even losing a life, but I usually game over at least once on Chronicles (no matter what mode I'm playing).
>designed to be babbys first castlevania
they actually made it to be super hard because they thought only hardcore fans would buy an x68k to play castlevania though?
he must be one of those god gamers because even the director of it said that they designed the game to be hard because they thought the x68000 playerbase must be really good at game. you can look up the interview online.
>they actually made it to be super hard because they thought only hardcore fans would buy an x68k to play castlevania though?
IIRC when the game loops back to the beginning it ups the difficulty. A new game is so absurdly easy it isn't even funny (played via X6800 emulation, which was a royal pain in ass to set up). But when I play it via Chronicles, it feels completely different to play. I think maybe "classic mode" might start at the X68000's fourth level of difficulty rather than the first, but even then something about it feels off compared to the X68000 version, like the controls have some sort of delay, or the timing of the stages is different. Like I said, even in Arrange mode I usually game over at least once, whereas I can run the X68000 version blindfolded. It's super weird, like a gameplay Mandela effect.
>something about it feels off compared to the X68000 version, like the controls have some sort of delay
The game is emulated on psx
It's nice to see time has led to the correct opinion being more widespread. I assume CV4 was considered so much better for so long only because of how much easier it is. in spite of Bloodlines being one of the easier classicvania games And now the casuals who used to insist CV4 was the best no longer care enough to argue it.
I know it's the cowards way but they should really just make a Witcher 3 ripoff for a new Castlevania. Base it on Simon's Quest. I miss Simon not being a jobber or ignored.
>I miss Simon not being a jobber or ignored.
He definitely deserves another game. Maybe one that follows up on Dracula's hand popping out of the grave at the end of Simon's Quest.
To think, not long ago. A prototype of SOTN for the fricking GameCom was found and dumped.
How does it run?
Are the 64 titles worth a playthrough?
I'm mostly interested due to the e-girl, she cute
I like them, but I can see why people may not like them. I do believe it's way overhated though. I personally think it's biggest strength is the atmosphere for both of them. Emulate it and give it a shot.
SC4 is literally the best classicvania. Rondo feels too stiff and Bloodlines is for contrarians.
what about dracula x
4 is sincerely, genuinely, unironically one of the absolute worst classicvanias.
4 and dracula x are around the same quality. 4 is maybe slightly better than dracula x, but not by much.
>4 is sincerely, genuinely, unironically one of the absolute worst classicvanias.
Lmao okay dude
>4 and dracula x are around the same quality.
I liked dracula x much more because it was more challenging and it respected the player by assuming they would adapt to its challenging gameplay, I felt like the limitations of controls were pretty well done. the dracula boss fight is the sole reason why the game has bad rep.
Na the dracula boss was fricking annoying. The game is good, somehow I get filtered by SC4.
most people who praise castlevania IV are those who have never played it at launch. the rule of thumb back then was if you paid $50 for a game which you can beat in a single sitting then you were scammed and SCIV was awful because of this, it just wasn't value for money. it was a game made for a more casual audience but it was not for the original castlevania enjoyers. I always doubt the integrity of any person when they claim to like castlevania but they say that their favourite game is SCIV.
Played 1, Bloodstained, SC4 and Dracula X. Beat Dracula X being my first castevania game and I still prefer SC4 combat a lot more, too bad that water level is a dogshit level
The people who DID play it at launch and consider it their favorite were shitters like AVGN who had his parents buy it for him and played it religiously because its the only classicvania which doesn't require you to adapt to the controls.
truth. imagine paying $50 for a 4-5 hour game lol.
>the rule of thumb back then was if you paid $50 for a game which you can beat in a single sitting then you were scammed and SCIV was awful because of this
>is longer than Castlevania I and III and has a second loop like all the classicvanias
How was it a scam, when games like Contra III were praised back then and that is a 15 game (30 min max with 2nd loop)?
contra 3 was hard. it wasn't casual shit like CV4. you can't possibly 1cc contra 3 in a single sitting.
>you can't possibly 1cc contra 3 in a single sitting.
and you can't beat SC4 without dying a few times in a single sitting unless you're a literal speedrunner. Been playing that shit for 25 years. I still die over dumb shit like literally every video game I've ever played.
>and you can't beat SC4 without dying a few times in a single sitting unless you're a literal speedrunner
not him but during my first playthrough I died like twice in castlevania 4 and that too it was during platforming (rotating room). It is really not a hard game. contra 3 is exponentially harder.
There's no way you beat Dracula the first time. I had to replay that shit like 10 times. I don't care how easy the game is, that boss is bullshit.
OHHHH my bad, you are right but I didn't find dracula hard. the boss rush had me use a continue. gaibon and death were easy but I somehow found slogra to be the hardest part of the game.
>you can't possibly 1cc contra 3 in a single sitting.
Not with that attitude you can't!
I like how your entire argument is basically
>well you didn't play it in 1991 when it was new and was a bit too easy for a $50 game and not moron hard like the more primitive NES games where you die every 10 seconds over jank stupid shit which makes that initial price worth it's value more than the game which gives you a better experience but doesn't say frick at every corner.
Literally the most disingenuous shit I've seen in this thread. You cannot argue with anyone that Castlevania 1 was a better $50 than SC4 just because it's harder. You just can't.
>BUT LE JANK CLUNKY CONTROLS KNOCKBACK INSTANT KILL PIT LIMITED CONTINUES OR SOMETHING!
You can just say you were filtered by esoteric NES kino like holy diver or contra, you know.
Nice non-argument you got there
CV1 had better level design, music and was actually difficult so indeed it was a better game. you wouldn't know but difficulty is content in the arcade era.
Literally no one unironically prefers playing CV1 over SC4. Not a single person. That's the type of contrarian shit where homosexuals will say GTA 2 is better than than Vice City.
you wouldn't get esoteric NES/Famicom kino...
Depends. Both of them have different good things over the other. SCIV is obviously lauded for the beautiful graphics and music, but Castlevania has a lot more engaging gameplay that actually requires something from the player.
>but Castlevania has a lot more engaging gameplay that actually requires something from the player.
It's not more engaging though. All it does is throw more enemies at you on-screen while your movement in that game is more limited. It's like every game of it's era.
2esoteric4u
>movement is more limited like every game of it's era
Late 80's games are very experimental, some of them have limited movement like you said but a lot don't. Contra, Ninja Gaiden, Mario, etc. are all games that don't limit the players movement a lot, although some have smaller limitations like how in Ninja Gaiden, your jump immediately slows down if you to try to move backwards while you're in it.
The thing about a limited moveset is that IS engaging. Having to struggle with the controls and persevere is engaging. It requires creativity on the level of player to figure out what to do in x situation since there is no easy way out. Compare that to castlevania 4, where you can use the whip for everything, very sad!
>The thing about a limited moveset is that IS engaging
you know people these days don't like games which doesn't bend over backwards for them. the players don't like to be challenged unless it has some sort of RPG mechanic which mitigates some of the difficulty as they play through it. the death of actually difficult videogames is a tragedy.
>Literally no one unironically prefers playing CV1 over SC4
well I really don't know how to break it to you. there are several people here who would. I actually prefer replaying a lot of castlevania games over SCIV.
your entire argument is moronic since pretty much every NES era konami game was easier in Japan, they only made them harder in the west to stop rentals
so ? the argument would be still be valid if you are not Japanese which is the likely scenario for anyone posting in an english imageboard.
Classicvania: SC4 > Rondo > Bloodlines > 3 > Dracula X > 1 > 2
Metroidvania: SotN > HoD > CotM > AoS > All the games I haven't played
This is the correct order.
SC4's main problem is how frickhuge you and the whip are. You threaten a massive chunk of the screen with your reach at all times. You can also whip through walls, which comes in handy in quite a few spots.
What you're describing is fun though
>Through walls
I allow it since enemeies can do the same?
I find 4 harder than both rondo and 1, I honestly don't get why everyone memes about it being easy. Bloodlines and 3 (if you don't use grant) are probably the hardest classic games imo. That said most of 4's difficulty is in the final levels.
Maybe it's just because I'm more ass at platforming than combat in these games but I still get tripped up on 4's final levels while I can 1cc 1 and rondo pretty consistently. I feel like a lot of the rabid hate 4 gets is people overcorrecting for how much some people jerk off 4 I feel that way about rondo honestly, it annoyed me how jerked off it used to be when it honestly is pretty lacking level-design wise.
Seriosly though, how do you get past that platform in Ninja Gaiden without taking damage?
There are 2 ways
1. keep the spin slash from the previous level (this is extremely easy as long as you don't break the second to last candle on that level and get the boomerang)
2. abuse the spawning mechanics by inching towards the witch until she disappears out of nowhere
Use the spin slash from the previous screen. Winning at Ninja Gaiden is all about knowing the item and enemy placement.
i think that really is the gist of it. 1, 3, rondo, bloodlines, and even the ninja gaiden trilogy are pretty forgiving for the first level or so, and then they ratchet up to facefricking if you don't play it careful and know what you're doing. 4 eases you in pretty well and by the time the big boy shit comes out to play, you're versed for almost all of it except the spike at the very end, and that's just expected since hey, end of the game.
>4 eases you in pretty well and by the time the big boy shit comes out to play, you're versed for almost all of it except the spike at the very end
no. good games have a better difficulty curve. 4 really sucks at that. the game is a snoozefest till the last stage and then suddenly cranks it up to 11. the boss rush was the best part of the game.
>I feel like a lot of the rabid hate 4 gets is people overcorrecting for how much some people jerk off 4
That's the thing though. There isn't any rabid hate for it. It's universally agreed to be the best classicvania game by a large margin. It's because of that, it becomes a target for any dorks on internet forums who have problems with anything about it. If Rondo or CV1 were considered the best, they would have torn those to shreds as well if not worse for all the stupid shit in those games too.
>It's universally agreed to be the best classicvania game by a large margin
I'm pretty sure you're just falseflagging or baiting but 4 was always sort of disliked by a lot of fans while having others that loved it. Rondo for the longest time was considered the absolute best (even by those who didn't play it because it was jap only for a long time) then it got more accessible in the west and got its reputation changed.
Honestly 1 and 3 are the ones I've seen the most consistent positive reaction to over the years where opinions haven't really changed on them.
>I'm pretty sure you're just falseflagging or baiting but 4 was always sort of disliked by a lot of fans while having others that loved it.
Nice revisionism. It's one of the best selling games on the fricking console while literally no one even played Rondo until the PSP remake.
>Nice revisionism. It's one of the best selling games on the fricking console
It only sold 500k while CV1 and 3 both sold over a million. Also nice reading comprehension moron, I said Rondo was sucked off so much in the past BECAUSE so few people actually played it.
I've been playing castlevania 3 today, and the entire game is cool as frick but I got stuck on stage 7. It's complete bullshit. I finally found the pattern to avoid getting hit by the falling blocks but I just couldn't jump to the platform because blocks kept falling. I ended up getting softlocked, picrel
anyway thank you for reading my blog post
Nice CRT.
>Upon Super Castlevania IV's North American release, the game was acclaimed by critics. Nintendo Power gave the game four overall scores of 4.0, 4.0, 4.5 and 4.5 out of 5. Among several items, the magazine cited the game's graphics, music, and action sequences as positives. In 1994 the game was reviewed by Sandy Petersen in Dragon #209's "Eye of the Monitor" column. In 1992, Entertainment Weekly wrote, "Vampire noir: dark, earthy colors; ominous, almost subliminal sound effects — and when your hero swings from chandeliers or dispatches monsters with his iron flail, a spine-tingling sense of impending doom."
>Super Castlevania IV has been praised in retrospective reviews as well. In a 1997 Castlevania retrospective, GamePro said it "is still one of the all-time best games". It was named by Nintendo Power in a 2006 issue as the 66th best game made on a Nintendo system. It was ranked 27 in the last issue. Official Nintendo Magazine placed the game at 70 on their list of the 100 best Nintendo games ever. Game Informer's review opined that it "perfect[ed] the classic formula" due to its whip and less stiff gameplay. It also praised its use of Mode 7. In a review for the release on the Wii U's eShop, Nintendo Life wrote "Unlike many of the other 16-bit platformers of the era, the game has a mature and distinguished feel to it", and concluded it was the best of the original Castlevania installments. In 2018, Complex listed the game 13th on their "The Best Super Nintendo Games of All Time", writing: "Next to Symphony of the Night, this is the best Castlevania game of all time. The control is perfect, the progression is perfect, and even the ramping up of the difficulty is flawless, as it gets difficult in all the right spots. Also, it has the best soundtrack ever." In 1996, GamesMaster ranked the game 55th in its "Top 100 Games of All Time". Several publications have lauded it as one of the greatest video games of all time.
all that critical acclaim was earned by being esoteric 16 bit kino
>sotn
>normalgay journos only praise the easiest and babbys firstmost castlevania games
pottery...
32bits isn't esoteric enough
>seething sc4 Black person is THIS mindbroken by some random guy who used the word 'esoteric' to define NES games
KWAB
I'm on your side, settle down
I guess you could say he didn't understand your esoteric posts...
I'm not your buddy, pal
I look at SC4 the same way I see DK64. Received universal acclaim by everyone who played it when it was new and then decades of pessimism and internet culture have skewed the narrative.
>a fricking whip
Just make a new 2D Castlevania where you can whip in all 8 directions. Why the frick is that so hard? Even ripoff Castlevania games like Bloodstained follow the NES formula which is annoying. I don't want to fricking play NES Castlevania or Metroidvanias. I want SUPER CASTLEVANIA 4 style gameplay that's still linear like the classics but better gameplay like 4. Just give me more control and more freedom when it comes to the controls and the whip but make it more challenging as well. Why doesn't anyone ever do this shit.
just got my small chinkheld console and installed a 64gb pack of retro games on it, which Castelvania should I play first? (I'm completely new to the series)
>bloodstained classic 2 DLC
>it's castlevania 2
But is it any good or did they copy all the wrong things from CV2
It copies literally every trope from CV2, but goes out of its way to circumvent most of the frustration.
For instance, villagers still lie but there's an item that shows exactly what part of their statement is the lie. And the invisible holes in the floors of the mansions can be spotted because they look slightly off color.
Stuff like that. But it does really expect you to know Castlevania 2's legacy to get the references and puzzles.
Shorter than 4, but I still prefer it because the level design and bosses are better.
I've played every Castlevania including Kid Dracula and Haunted Castle multiple times. Super Castlevania is still the definitive game to me. Also the N64 games aren't nearly as bad as people claimed and I was lied to.
>Also the N64 games aren't nearly as bad as people claimed and I was lied to.
I went through almost the whole series last year (skipped a few oddballs like Haunted Castle and stopped before Lords of Shadow) and was pleasantly surprised by both N64 games. I ended up really liking Dracula X too, which people love to shit on but I think is really ingeniously designed.
Bloodlines is also my favorite. It's also the only one I've beaten. I lose interest really quick in IV for some reason. I and III are hard and I don't have patience.
You can thank Lupin III for Castlevania