As opposed to having games that barely run and load like crap. Not even the "Nintendo's games run best on Nintendo's hardware" cope is real, they just willfully ignore the load times.
after experiencing PS5 and series load times it's genuinely hard to go back to switch. I frequently play older ps1, ps2, original xbox and Dreamcast games and the switch is insanely slow.
They decided to once again skip gamescon, they seriously have nothing to show for at least half a year or even a whole year. Just now I was looking back at my psn profile, ps4 era was awful, barely played anything, we didn't know how "good" we had it back in the ps3 days and how awful it would become.
Switch had a pretty good rest of the year ahead of it with things like Mario, Splatoon, and Xenoblade at least, and Wii U re-releases for anyone who didn't give a shit about that console.
literally all they have to do is not make the console sound like an addon to the switch to clueless parents
Wii U sounds like it's the gamepad and you hook it up to the Wii
Switch 2 sounds like the sequel to the Switch
it works with playstation just fine just fricking do it and don't make it a dumb gimmick name
>literally all they have to do is not make the console sound like an addon to the switch to clueless parents
Ah yes because everyone also thought the gamecube was an N64 add on.
You have to remember, despite the fact that Nintendo is a legacy name in gaming they don't have the same idiot fans a company like Sony does who will buy anything, Nintendo customers require games to play and that's why the switch was such a success and the Wii U wasn't.
After all the 3DS had the exact same issue as the Wii U in that people thought it was just a DS but with 3d but broke out of that by having games people wanted.
There was no delay. It was always supposed to launch in 2025.
Furukawa already said current sales have zero impact on hardware launches as those take years to prepare.
the real answer is that nintendo never sells hardware at a loss, and they are waiting for those next gen nvidia chips to become dirt cheap so they can earn fat bucks with every unit sold without making the thing too expensive
homie, where have you been? Nintendo has been developing a new chip with Nvidia since 2019. They already paid for it. It won't get cheaper if they wait.
>Furukawa already said current sales have zero impact on hardware launches
Bullshit. "Don't announce new thing if old thing is still selling" is business 101. >those take years to prepare.
It takes years to design the hardware. And the hardware is, in fact, already done. It takes a few months to ramp-up production.
the real answer is that nintendo never sells hardware at a loss, and they are waiting for those next gen nvidia chips to become dirt cheap so they can earn fat bucks with every unit sold without making the thing too expensive
They aren’t waiting for next-gen chips, that’s not how Nintendo works. There’s already warehouses full of the new Switch, they’re just waiting for the software to be ready.
Chips don't just miraculously become cheap over time, they become cheaper as their production matures and improvements are made to increase yields or decrease the resource/time costs going into production, as economies of scale kick in, as demand for inputs (space in the fab on this node) decreasees,or after R&D costs have been recouped by it's developers allowing them to reduce the price due to the initial investment already being repaid, but considering leaks most of these don't apply and will only start to apply after they enter mass production for the Switch 2, the only one that's really true is that the demand for the process node has dropped significantly as everyone else has moved to the nodes beyond what the Switch 2's APU is built on.
With the Switch 2 Nintendo definitely have a lot of component producers by the balls because they are the only company making a mass market device that can demand many of these parts, Apparently Nintendo signed a big deal with Samsung and on Samsung's part it would have been humiliating because Switch 2 is the first device that can push SD express demand for mass market, there's probably a lot of deals like this for parts because even though people like to shit on the Switch and Switch 2's hardware there isn't anything that's at all a match for what it's doing.
He's bang-on though, hardware only becomes cheaper when its ramped up for mass production at scale. Low units come with high cost, high unit production is low cost, with very few exceptions. This is business 101.
So long as a given ASIC is in production, cost over time decreases, and cost decreases independently from economy of scale. Foundries run test wafers and tweak things at set intervals to yield more KGCs per wafer. They use newer pellicles at set intervals which better remove defects. Exposure intensity increases from refined power sources, etch definition improves, total yields improve along with better PPA characteristics as a direct result.
Sorry you have such a limited brainlet vocabulary.
Three basic industry acronyms must be a lot for you.
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It's the lack of anything conversational about the reply, it reads exactly like a response generated by ChatGPT.
1 week ago
Anonymous
You said a blithering moron spouting blatantly false info was "bang-on"
1 week ago
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And your AI-generated response does not acknowledge anything that was said by that anon whatsoever. It's mostly a non sequitur.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>b-b-b-but AI
I told you explicitly why the cost of any given chip decreases over time, and that it happens independently from economy of scale. You're just too low IQ to understand the subject.
1 week ago
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>the cost of any given chip
All you've done is proven that you have no idea what your own AI post was even saying. An ASIC is not "any given chip", but rather quite the opposite. That's why I asserted that your dumbass bot reply is a non-sequitur to what was actually being discussed. You are a moron and are projecting hard.
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Black person idiot. ASIC is the term used to describe literally any given design. Your GPU die is called an ASIC. Your CPU die is called an ASIC. An RF radio when its being designed is called an ASIC.
ASIC is not used to describe only fixed function accelerators.
You don't know these terms do its frustrating your little gay sperg brain and making you defensive.
1 week ago
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>ASIC is the term used to describe literally any given design.
Not really, at least not in regular language. The Tegra SoC that the Switch uses is far morely commonly referred to as System on a Chip (SoC), than you'd ever hear it referred to as an ASIC. If you're talking about the Switch's ASIC, you'll just confuse the hardware mod community as they'll think you are referring to the Gamecard ASIC, the Lotus 3 chip, which has nothing to do with the Tegra SoC that anon was presumably referring to (although he wrongfully referred to it as the Switch's APU)
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Nnnnnnnguy, learn industry lingo before you try to throw your hat in the ring and correct any one. Every SoC in design phase, the design itself, like literally every integrated circuit, is referred to as an ASIC. If you're discussing the actual physical layout of a chip its referred to as ASIC.
This is all completely irrelevant to the point I originally raised. Costs decrease over time because the foundry takes action to bring down costs. Whining that you think my post was AI because I used words you don't know is frankly fricking hilarious.
1 week ago
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>Every SoC in design phase, the design itself, like literally every integrated circuit, is referred to as an ASIC
Is that true or are you talking out your ass?
I cannot find evidence or reference to back that up, and this is not my industry. Even if true, I question the relevance of bringing up the design phase when this discussion was about mass market production costs. >Costs decrease over time because the foundry takes action to bring down costs.
Isn't that what anon had said in his first post?
He didn't assert that the cost magically goes down due to mass consumer purchases, he commented on how the cost price of units is lowered due to mass manufacturing methods, and improvements to lower the production cost per yield.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Go run GPU-Z
Look at the subsection denoting ASIC quality
Now wonder to yourself why the frick that would be there unless literally everyone familiar with this subject knew what it meant and how the term was used
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Go run GPU-Z >Look at the subsection denoting ASIC quality
That is literally just a voltage efficiency rating. If anything, it's a misnomer to call it ASIC quality.
1 week ago
Anonymous
It isn't a misnomer, that is appropriate usage in correct parlance. The silicon itself, its physical layout, that is the ASIC.
Stop grasping at straws because you didn't know this.
1 week ago
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I am 99% sure GPU-Z refers to voltage efficiency as "ASIC quality" to keep things simple for cypto miners, who were using ASICs before the majority migrated to using GPUs and therefore wanted to check a setting that read the same as their ASIC quality settings would when monitoring their mining efficiency on an ASIC. A GPU is not an ASIC, nor does it contain or consist of an ASIC.
1 week ago
Anonymous
No, moron, GPU-Z uses it because its the appropriate term to use.
It is used ubiquitously
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-ribs-nvidia-over-16-pin-issues-removed-it-from-7800-xt-and-7700-xt
https://db.thegpu.guru/asics
The job position of a technician who oversees projects up to the point before they're passed along to a fab is literally called an ASIC Verification Engineer
1 week ago
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>https://db.thegpu.guru/asics
those are ACIS on the pcb of the graphics/video card, not the GPU die itself as you were referring to earlier. >The job position of a technician who oversees projects up to the point before they're passed along to a fab is literally called an ASIC Verification Engineer
News to me if true, I cannot easily find out whether Nvidia's ASIC Verification Engineer is involved with the development of the GPU die (or the Tegra SoC that the Switch uses, which is much more relevant to what we were initially discussing), but I can see that they have hired ASIC verification engineers in the past so can give benefit of the doubt, I guess?
If this is what you were referring to, though, why didn't you specifically mention ASIC verification engineers?
It is still true that the Tegra SoC is not an ASIC and does not incorporate one, and it is a strange logical leap to take to assume that by ASICs, you actually meant the ASIC Verification Engineers' involvement with the low-level design of these products.
Furthermore, none of this would be a 'smoking gun' against what that anon had said in the first place. In fact, most of what you and I have discussed would still support the initial port that anon had made. We're only arguing semantics by this point.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>initial port
*initial point
1 week ago
Anonymous
>those are ACIS on the pcb of the graphics/video card, not the GPU die itself as you were referring to earlier.
Actually no, this is another case of the cryptominers and overclocking community referring to the GPU as an ASIC
The only reason scalpers were such an issue with those was the chip shortage. They couldn’t produce huge quantities, which meant they were only shipping small batches everywhere, which allowed scalpers to buy entire shipments.
>Gen 1
Color TV-Game >Gen 2
Game & Watch >Gen 3
Nintendo Entertainment System >Gen 4
Super Nintendo Entertainment System >Gen 5
Nintendo 64 >Gen 6
Nintendo Gamecube >Gen 7
Wii >Gen 8
Wii U >Gen 9
Nintendo Switch
Why is it so hard for you homosexuals to understand?
1 week ago
Anonymous
They can't separate the idea of generations and power.
I thought it was because the yen is compartively quite weak against the vietnamese dong where they are manufacturing the switch. It will be cheaper to make when the yen is stronger.
There's number of reasons: >switch is still selling well >they reportedly had problems with chip shortage >they want to have plenty of stock so that they don't have sell nothing for months like happened with switch >they want to have strong line of game at release >they double and triple check everything so that there's not going to be paperclip 2.0
releasing new console makes no sense now
also switch 2 would need to be compatible with switch 1 library to not be a flop (and console israelites hate backwards compatibility)
nintendo have historically been very good with backwards compatibility. They couldn't with the switch because it's a totally different architecture. Also no disc drive.
It's probably seriously difficult for nintendo to get affordable chips from nvidia the way things are right now. Nvidia can package up the amount of silicon that would be in like 5 switches and sell it as a datacenter NPU for $50000
The Switch 2 will NOT be as successfull as the Switch. Everytime Nintendo has had a hugely successful console the successor never does as well. Nes sold 61 million, the snes sold 49 million. The wii sold 101 million, wii u 13 million, ds 154 million, 3ds 75 million.
This is stupid reasoning but it's also funny because, even if it holds up, the Switch sold so fricking much that the Switch 2 selling less could still mean 100 million in the pocket.
I don't think it'll be as successful because back then a lot of sales came from people getting excited at the novelty of a handheld being able to play console level games. That novelty has worn off by now and most people don't like playing at 500p 20fps, so they won't even bother getting a Switch 2.
I think it'll still be successful, just not PS2/DS levels of successful. It'll probably be like Wii level.
Not really sure what's so hard to understand? Back in 2017 the idea of playing PS3/PS4 games on a handheld when handhelds back then were still stuck on like 240p and 544p was insane, so people got the Switch just to experience it. Now they've experienced it and a lot of the time the experience is much worse compared to playing it on a PC or other console since you're getting a gimped version. It's disillusioning and some are going to get turned off from getting the Switch 2 since they'd expect something similar.
Obviously I don't mean EVERYONE is going to get over it, but they aren't going to maintain the entire 140m+ user base. There's going to be a bunch of people that got the Switch out of curiosity, didn't end up liking it and won't get the next system.
>it was supposed to launch this year but got delayed
Anon, that's just "insiders" trying to save face.
Like the guy who unironically claimed Nintendo cancelled the Switch Pro solely because they got mad it leaked.
Because Nintentards keep buying switch games. Nintendo has literally no reason to release their next garbage console. They can support the switch for another 5 years.
I think they'll put it at 40k yen (to mirror $400) and region lock it in Japan to stop exports of of the country.
Building a strong domestic userbase will be more important than losses from the weak yen.
What's the point? Most tendies take pride in the fact that the graphics suck. It's part of the appeal, otherwise they can't say "it's all about the gameplay maaaan!" Who's gonna buy a new console that is effectively just a crap computer, not even as good as a PS4 Pro? There's no point in the existence of a "Switch 2". The Switch's selling point was that it was something different from the Wii. What wagie in his right mind is gonna buy a new one with slightly better but still crappy graphics?
They don't want to be the PS5 of the next generation with no games
As opposed to having games that barely run and load like crap. Not even the "Nintendo's games run best on Nintendo's hardware" cope is real, they just willfully ignore the load times.
after experiencing PS5 and series load times it's genuinely hard to go back to switch. I frequently play older ps1, ps2, original xbox and Dreamcast games and the switch is insanely slow.
>As opposed to having games that barely run and load like crap
Much like the PS5.
If you say so man, I just use a PC.
Sure you do buddy.
Why lie about it?
>They don't want to be the PS5 of the next generation with no games
Kek'd and based.
The PS5 is a colossal piece of shit. Nobody is ever going to feel nostalgic about that disaster in 20 years.
They decided to once again skip gamescon, they seriously have nothing to show for at least half a year or even a whole year. Just now I was looking back at my psn profile, ps4 era was awful, barely played anything, we didn't know how "good" we had it back in the ps3 days and how awful it would become.
Even though I have personally enjoyed many exclusive titles on this machine, you are completely right about feeling nostalgic about it.
They want a strong launch. Wii U scared them too much
I don't see the problem. The og Switch survived just fine with BoTW as the only worthwhile game available at launch.
Switch had a pretty good rest of the year ahead of it with things like Mario, Splatoon, and Xenoblade at least, and Wii U re-releases for anyone who didn't give a shit about that console.
>survived just fine with (a massively hyped game that was teased for years)
gee I wonder why
literally all they have to do is not make the console sound like an addon to the switch to clueless parents
Wii U sounds like it's the gamepad and you hook it up to the Wii
Switch 2 sounds like the sequel to the Switch
it works with playstation just fine just fricking do it and don't make it a dumb gimmick name
I don't think my mom ever learned the Wii U and the Wii are completely different things
>literally all they have to do is not make the console sound like an addon to the switch to clueless parents
Ah yes because everyone also thought the gamecube was an N64 add on.
You have to remember, despite the fact that Nintendo is a legacy name in gaming they don't have the same idiot fans a company like Sony does who will buy anything, Nintendo customers require games to play and that's why the switch was such a success and the Wii U wasn't.
After all the 3DS had the exact same issue as the Wii U in that people thought it was just a DS but with 3d but broke out of that by having games people wanted.
imho they should call it Nintendo Twitch
because of alphabet
will Switch 3 be Nintendo Uwitch?
money
Switch 1 keeps selling.
There was no delay. It was always supposed to launch in 2025.
Furukawa already said current sales have zero impact on hardware launches as those take years to prepare.
homie, where have you been? Nintendo has been developing a new chip with Nvidia since 2019. They already paid for it. It won't get cheaper if they wait.
>Furukawa already said current sales have zero impact on hardware launches
Bullshit. "Don't announce new thing if old thing is still selling" is business 101.
>those take years to prepare.
It takes years to design the hardware. And the hardware is, in fact, already done. It takes a few months to ramp-up production.
They're making games for it
the real answer is that nintendo never sells hardware at a loss, and they are waiting for those next gen nvidia chips to become dirt cheap so they can earn fat bucks with every unit sold without making the thing too expensive
All of these answers are equally true.
>the real answer
According to who? Your ass?
They aren’t waiting for next-gen chips, that’s not how Nintendo works. There’s already warehouses full of the new Switch, they’re just waiting for the software to be ready.
Chips don't just miraculously become cheap over time, they become cheaper as their production matures and improvements are made to increase yields or decrease the resource/time costs going into production, as economies of scale kick in, as demand for inputs (space in the fab on this node) decreasees,or after R&D costs have been recouped by it's developers allowing them to reduce the price due to the initial investment already being repaid, but considering leaks most of these don't apply and will only start to apply after they enter mass production for the Switch 2, the only one that's really true is that the demand for the process node has dropped significantly as everyone else has moved to the nodes beyond what the Switch 2's APU is built on.
With the Switch 2 Nintendo definitely have a lot of component producers by the balls because they are the only company making a mass market device that can demand many of these parts, Apparently Nintendo signed a big deal with Samsung and on Samsung's part it would have been humiliating because Switch 2 is the first device that can push SD express demand for mass market, there's probably a lot of deals like this for parts because even though people like to shit on the Switch and Switch 2's hardware there isn't anything that's at all a match for what it's doing.
Are you moronic?
No, I'm just correct.
He's bang-on though, hardware only becomes cheaper when its ramped up for mass production at scale. Low units come with high cost, high unit production is low cost, with very few exceptions. This is business 101.
So long as a given ASIC is in production, cost over time decreases, and cost decreases independently from economy of scale. Foundries run test wafers and tweak things at set intervals to yield more KGCs per wafer. They use newer pellicles at set intervals which better remove defects. Exposure intensity increases from refined power sources, etch definition improves, total yields improve along with better PPA characteristics as a direct result.
bot post
Unfortunately not, you dumb Black person.
sure reads like one
Sorry you have such a limited brainlet vocabulary.
Three basic industry acronyms must be a lot for you.
It's the lack of anything conversational about the reply, it reads exactly like a response generated by ChatGPT.
You said a blithering moron spouting blatantly false info was "bang-on"
And your AI-generated response does not acknowledge anything that was said by that anon whatsoever. It's mostly a non sequitur.
>b-b-b-but AI
I told you explicitly why the cost of any given chip decreases over time, and that it happens independently from economy of scale. You're just too low IQ to understand the subject.
>the cost of any given chip
All you've done is proven that you have no idea what your own AI post was even saying. An ASIC is not "any given chip", but rather quite the opposite. That's why I asserted that your dumbass bot reply is a non-sequitur to what was actually being discussed. You are a moron and are projecting hard.
Black person idiot. ASIC is the term used to describe literally any given design. Your GPU die is called an ASIC. Your CPU die is called an ASIC. An RF radio when its being designed is called an ASIC.
ASIC is not used to describe only fixed function accelerators.
You don't know these terms do its frustrating your little gay sperg brain and making you defensive.
>ASIC is the term used to describe literally any given design.
Not really, at least not in regular language. The Tegra SoC that the Switch uses is far morely commonly referred to as System on a Chip (SoC), than you'd ever hear it referred to as an ASIC. If you're talking about the Switch's ASIC, you'll just confuse the hardware mod community as they'll think you are referring to the Gamecard ASIC, the Lotus 3 chip, which has nothing to do with the Tegra SoC that anon was presumably referring to (although he wrongfully referred to it as the Switch's APU)
Nnnnnnnguy, learn industry lingo before you try to throw your hat in the ring and correct any one. Every SoC in design phase, the design itself, like literally every integrated circuit, is referred to as an ASIC. If you're discussing the actual physical layout of a chip its referred to as ASIC.
This is all completely irrelevant to the point I originally raised. Costs decrease over time because the foundry takes action to bring down costs. Whining that you think my post was AI because I used words you don't know is frankly fricking hilarious.
>Every SoC in design phase, the design itself, like literally every integrated circuit, is referred to as an ASIC
Is that true or are you talking out your ass?
I cannot find evidence or reference to back that up, and this is not my industry. Even if true, I question the relevance of bringing up the design phase when this discussion was about mass market production costs.
>Costs decrease over time because the foundry takes action to bring down costs.
Isn't that what anon had said in his first post?
He didn't assert that the cost magically goes down due to mass consumer purchases, he commented on how the cost price of units is lowered due to mass manufacturing methods, and improvements to lower the production cost per yield.
Go run GPU-Z
Look at the subsection denoting ASIC quality
Now wonder to yourself why the frick that would be there unless literally everyone familiar with this subject knew what it meant and how the term was used
>Go run GPU-Z
>Look at the subsection denoting ASIC quality
That is literally just a voltage efficiency rating. If anything, it's a misnomer to call it ASIC quality.
It isn't a misnomer, that is appropriate usage in correct parlance. The silicon itself, its physical layout, that is the ASIC.
Stop grasping at straws because you didn't know this.
I am 99% sure GPU-Z refers to voltage efficiency as "ASIC quality" to keep things simple for cypto miners, who were using ASICs before the majority migrated to using GPUs and therefore wanted to check a setting that read the same as their ASIC quality settings would when monitoring their mining efficiency on an ASIC. A GPU is not an ASIC, nor does it contain or consist of an ASIC.
No, moron, GPU-Z uses it because its the appropriate term to use.
It is used ubiquitously
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-ribs-nvidia-over-16-pin-issues-removed-it-from-7800-xt-and-7700-xt
https://db.thegpu.guru/asics
The job position of a technician who oversees projects up to the point before they're passed along to a fab is literally called an ASIC Verification Engineer
>https://db.thegpu.guru/asics
those are ACIS on the pcb of the graphics/video card, not the GPU die itself as you were referring to earlier.
>The job position of a technician who oversees projects up to the point before they're passed along to a fab is literally called an ASIC Verification Engineer
News to me if true, I cannot easily find out whether Nvidia's ASIC Verification Engineer is involved with the development of the GPU die (or the Tegra SoC that the Switch uses, which is much more relevant to what we were initially discussing), but I can see that they have hired ASIC verification engineers in the past so can give benefit of the doubt, I guess?
If this is what you were referring to, though, why didn't you specifically mention ASIC verification engineers?
It is still true that the Tegra SoC is not an ASIC and does not incorporate one, and it is a strange logical leap to take to assume that by ASICs, you actually meant the ASIC Verification Engineers' involvement with the low-level design of these products.
Furthermore, none of this would be a 'smoking gun' against what that anon had said in the first place. In fact, most of what you and I have discussed would still support the initial port that anon had made. We're only arguing semantics by this point.
>initial port
*initial point
>those are ACIS on the pcb of the graphics/video card, not the GPU die itself as you were referring to earlier.
Actually no, this is another case of the cryptominers and overclocking community referring to the GPU as an ASIC
I imagine it's an issue of balancing production costs because a lot of what is going into the Switch is modern and unproven tech.
because we really need a switch 2 for more garbage farming sims on the eshop
the PS5 and Xbox one X launches were severely crippled by scalpers so Nintendo has more time to sandbag
The only reason scalpers were such an issue with those was the chip shortage. They couldn’t produce huge quantities, which meant they were only shipping small batches everywhere, which allowed scalpers to buy entire shipments.
What if there is no Switch 2 and Switch was supposed to be this gen's console?
Switch is gen 9. Switch 2 is gen 10
Switch is gen 8, Switch 2 is gen 9.
Wii U is gen 8, sorry. That makes Switch gen 9 and Switch 2 gen 10.
This is a stupid conversation for idiots. Nintendo consoles since the Wii exist between the standard console generations. Idiots.
>Gen 1
Color TV-Game
>Gen 2
Game & Watch
>Gen 3
Nintendo Entertainment System
>Gen 4
Super Nintendo Entertainment System
>Gen 5
Nintendo 64
>Gen 6
Nintendo Gamecube
>Gen 7
Wii
>Gen 8
Wii U
>Gen 9
Nintendo Switch
Why is it so hard for you homosexuals to understand?
They can't separate the idea of generations and power.
where THE FRICK is the virtual boy
it never happened
Wii U is gen 7. What has it done to meaningfully earn it's place in the Gen 8 timeline besides releasing later?
Shouldn't you be asking what the ps4 and xbone did? After all they do less than their previous systems.
Because it keeps selling?
Not outside of Japan, Switch has been declining everywhere else
Declining doesn't mean not selling like crazy.
I thought it was because the yen is compartively quite weak against the vietnamese dong where they are manufacturing the switch. It will be cheaper to make when the yen is stronger.
>So me think, why make new Nintendo when old Nintendo do trick
>Why does Nintendo keep delaying it?
To piss off the gays who follow that gay that claims it'll be announced in the upcoming direct
There's number of reasons:
>switch is still selling well
>they reportedly had problems with chip shortage
>they want to have plenty of stock so that they don't have sell nothing for months like happened with switch
>they want to have strong line of game at release
>they double and triple check everything so that there's not going to be paperclip 2.0
they got scared by the mig chips
Because switch is still selling like hotcakes
is it tho
I guess not anymore, since they announced the new console. Might overtake PS2 as the best selling console of all times though
sony will re-release PS2 in somalia if that happens
Or find a long lost document saying that they actually sold 170 million units kek
nah, they will just claim it actually sold like 200 million.
they will find a truck full of lost sales recorded
releasing new console makes no sense now
also switch 2 would need to be compatible with switch 1 library to not be a flop (and console israelites hate backwards compatibility)
nintendo have historically been very good with backwards compatibility. They couldn't with the switch because it's a totally different architecture. Also no disc drive.
what if they what it to last 10 years? and we get 10 years of the next console
Sorry late adopter, the terminal has been reached.
>new console
>it has the drift problem too
Calling it now.
Surely switch 2 will use hall effect joysticks.
Switch continues to sell combined with manufacturing difficulties
It shouldn't release for another 3 years.
A pro was more than enough.
It's probably seriously difficult for nintendo to get affordable chips from nvidia the way things are right now. Nvidia can package up the amount of silicon that would be in like 5 switches and sell it as a datacenter NPU for $50000
The Switch 2 will NOT be as successfull as the Switch. Everytime Nintendo has had a hugely successful console the successor never does as well. Nes sold 61 million, the snes sold 49 million. The wii sold 101 million, wii u 13 million, ds 154 million, 3ds 75 million.
>Switch 2 won't be as successful as what is to become the best selling console of all time
I'm sure Nintendo is aware of that.
This is stupid reasoning but it's also funny because, even if it holds up, the Switch sold so fricking much that the Switch 2 selling less could still mean 100 million in the pocket.
I don't think it'll be as successful because back then a lot of sales came from people getting excited at the novelty of a handheld being able to play console level games. That novelty has worn off by now and most people don't like playing at 500p 20fps, so they won't even bother getting a Switch 2.
I think it'll still be successful, just not PS2/DS levels of successful. It'll probably be like Wii level.
>That novelty has worn off by now
Says who? People like playing handheld, why would they suddenly stop liking it?
Not really sure what's so hard to understand? Back in 2017 the idea of playing PS3/PS4 games on a handheld when handhelds back then were still stuck on like 240p and 544p was insane, so people got the Switch just to experience it. Now they've experienced it and a lot of the time the experience is much worse compared to playing it on a PC or other console since you're getting a gimped version. It's disillusioning and some are going to get turned off from getting the Switch 2 since they'd expect something similar.
Obviously I don't mean EVERYONE is going to get over it, but they aren't going to maintain the entire 140m+ user base. There's going to be a bunch of people that got the Switch out of curiosity, didn't end up liking it and won't get the next system.
If that guy that said it was supposed to launch this year but got delayed into next year is right, then it's so they can have a better year 1 lineup
Anon, leakers like that are never right.
>it was supposed to launch this year but got delayed
Anon, that's just "insiders" trying to save face.
Like the guy who unironically claimed Nintendo cancelled the Switch Pro solely because they got mad it leaked.
Because Nintentards keep buying switch games. Nintendo has literally no reason to release their next garbage console. They can support the switch for another 5 years.
They're waiting for the bank of japan to fix the yen crisis
I think they'll put it at 40k yen (to mirror $400) and region lock it in Japan to stop exports of of the country.
Building a strong domestic userbase will be more important than losses from the weak yen.
Please have good network features. It's been an industry standard for almost 20 years Nintendo
Because a lot of people still play Candy Crush on their Motorola G2. If sells.
What's the point? Most tendies take pride in the fact that the graphics suck. It's part of the appeal, otherwise they can't say "it's all about the gameplay maaaan!" Who's gonna buy a new console that is effectively just a crap computer, not even as good as a PS4 Pro? There's no point in the existence of a "Switch 2". The Switch's selling point was that it was something different from the Wii. What wagie in his right mind is gonna buy a new one with slightly better but still crappy graphics?
Switch sells too well and they don't want to trash their christmas sales by announcing a product too early
The name of the Switch successor is The Nintendo Top