This should have been announced like a year ago. Why does Nintendo keep delaying it?

This should have been announced like a year ago. Why does Nintendo keep delaying it?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They don't want to be the PS5 of the next generation with no games

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      As opposed to having games that barely run and load like crap. Not even the "Nintendo's games run best on Nintendo's hardware" cope is real, they just willfully ignore the load times.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        after experiencing PS5 and series load times it's genuinely hard to go back to switch. I frequently play older ps1, ps2, original xbox and Dreamcast games and the switch is insanely slow.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >As opposed to having games that barely run and load like crap
        Much like the PS5.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          If you say so man, I just use a PC.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Sure you do buddy.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Why lie about it?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >They don't want to be the PS5 of the next generation with no games

      Kek'd and based.

      The PS5 is a colossal piece of shit. Nobody is ever going to feel nostalgic about that disaster in 20 years.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They decided to once again skip gamescon, they seriously have nothing to show for at least half a year or even a whole year. Just now I was looking back at my psn profile, ps4 era was awful, barely played anything, we didn't know how "good" we had it back in the ps3 days and how awful it would become.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Even though I have personally enjoyed many exclusive titles on this machine, you are completely right about feeling nostalgic about it.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They want a strong launch. Wii U scared them too much

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see the problem. The og Switch survived just fine with BoTW as the only worthwhile game available at launch.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Switch had a pretty good rest of the year ahead of it with things like Mario, Splatoon, and Xenoblade at least, and Wii U re-releases for anyone who didn't give a shit about that console.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >survived just fine with (a massively hyped game that was teased for years)
        gee I wonder why

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      literally all they have to do is not make the console sound like an addon to the switch to clueless parents
      Wii U sounds like it's the gamepad and you hook it up to the Wii
      Switch 2 sounds like the sequel to the Switch
      it works with playstation just fine just fricking do it and don't make it a dumb gimmick name

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think my mom ever learned the Wii U and the Wii are completely different things

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >literally all they have to do is not make the console sound like an addon to the switch to clueless parents
        Ah yes because everyone also thought the gamecube was an N64 add on.
        You have to remember, despite the fact that Nintendo is a legacy name in gaming they don't have the same idiot fans a company like Sony does who will buy anything, Nintendo customers require games to play and that's why the switch was such a success and the Wii U wasn't.
        After all the 3DS had the exact same issue as the Wii U in that people thought it was just a DS but with 3d but broke out of that by having games people wanted.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        imho they should call it Nintendo Twitch
        because of alphabet

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          will Switch 3 be Nintendo Uwitch?

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    money

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Switch 1 keeps selling.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      There was no delay. It was always supposed to launch in 2025.

      Furukawa already said current sales have zero impact on hardware launches as those take years to prepare.

      the real answer is that nintendo never sells hardware at a loss, and they are waiting for those next gen nvidia chips to become dirt cheap so they can earn fat bucks with every unit sold without making the thing too expensive

      homie, where have you been? Nintendo has been developing a new chip with Nvidia since 2019. They already paid for it. It won't get cheaper if they wait.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Furukawa already said current sales have zero impact on hardware launches
        Bullshit. "Don't announce new thing if old thing is still selling" is business 101.
        >those take years to prepare.
        It takes years to design the hardware. And the hardware is, in fact, already done. It takes a few months to ramp-up production.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They're making games for it

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the real answer is that nintendo never sells hardware at a loss, and they are waiting for those next gen nvidia chips to become dirt cheap so they can earn fat bucks with every unit sold without making the thing too expensive

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Switch 1 keeps selling.

      They want a strong launch. Wii U scared them too much

      All of these answers are equally true.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >the real answer
      According to who? Your ass?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They aren’t waiting for next-gen chips, that’s not how Nintendo works. There’s already warehouses full of the new Switch, they’re just waiting for the software to be ready.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Chips don't just miraculously become cheap over time, they become cheaper as their production matures and improvements are made to increase yields or decrease the resource/time costs going into production, as economies of scale kick in, as demand for inputs (space in the fab on this node) decreasees,or after R&D costs have been recouped by it's developers allowing them to reduce the price due to the initial investment already being repaid, but considering leaks most of these don't apply and will only start to apply after they enter mass production for the Switch 2, the only one that's really true is that the demand for the process node has dropped significantly as everyone else has moved to the nodes beyond what the Switch 2's APU is built on.
      With the Switch 2 Nintendo definitely have a lot of component producers by the balls because they are the only company making a mass market device that can demand many of these parts, Apparently Nintendo signed a big deal with Samsung and on Samsung's part it would have been humiliating because Switch 2 is the first device that can push SD express demand for mass market, there's probably a lot of deals like this for parts because even though people like to shit on the Switch and Switch 2's hardware there isn't anything that's at all a match for what it's doing.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Are you moronic?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          No, I'm just correct.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          He's bang-on though, hardware only becomes cheaper when its ramped up for mass production at scale. Low units come with high cost, high unit production is low cost, with very few exceptions. This is business 101.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            So long as a given ASIC is in production, cost over time decreases, and cost decreases independently from economy of scale. Foundries run test wafers and tweak things at set intervals to yield more KGCs per wafer. They use newer pellicles at set intervals which better remove defects. Exposure intensity increases from refined power sources, etch definition improves, total yields improve along with better PPA characteristics as a direct result.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              bot post

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Unfortunately not, you dumb Black person.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                sure reads like one

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry you have such a limited brainlet vocabulary.
                Three basic industry acronyms must be a lot for you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's the lack of anything conversational about the reply, it reads exactly like a response generated by ChatGPT.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You said a blithering moron spouting blatantly false info was "bang-on"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                And your AI-generated response does not acknowledge anything that was said by that anon whatsoever. It's mostly a non sequitur.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >b-b-b-but AI
                I told you explicitly why the cost of any given chip decreases over time, and that it happens independently from economy of scale. You're just too low IQ to understand the subject.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >the cost of any given chip
                All you've done is proven that you have no idea what your own AI post was even saying. An ASIC is not "any given chip", but rather quite the opposite. That's why I asserted that your dumbass bot reply is a non-sequitur to what was actually being discussed. You are a moron and are projecting hard.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Black person idiot. ASIC is the term used to describe literally any given design. Your GPU die is called an ASIC. Your CPU die is called an ASIC. An RF radio when its being designed is called an ASIC.
                ASIC is not used to describe only fixed function accelerators.

                You don't know these terms do its frustrating your little gay sperg brain and making you defensive.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >ASIC is the term used to describe literally any given design.
                Not really, at least not in regular language. The Tegra SoC that the Switch uses is far morely commonly referred to as System on a Chip (SoC), than you'd ever hear it referred to as an ASIC. If you're talking about the Switch's ASIC, you'll just confuse the hardware mod community as they'll think you are referring to the Gamecard ASIC, the Lotus 3 chip, which has nothing to do with the Tegra SoC that anon was presumably referring to (although he wrongfully referred to it as the Switch's APU)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Nnnnnnnguy, learn industry lingo before you try to throw your hat in the ring and correct any one. Every SoC in design phase, the design itself, like literally every integrated circuit, is referred to as an ASIC. If you're discussing the actual physical layout of a chip its referred to as ASIC.
                This is all completely irrelevant to the point I originally raised. Costs decrease over time because the foundry takes action to bring down costs. Whining that you think my post was AI because I used words you don't know is frankly fricking hilarious.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Every SoC in design phase, the design itself, like literally every integrated circuit, is referred to as an ASIC
                Is that true or are you talking out your ass?
                I cannot find evidence or reference to back that up, and this is not my industry. Even if true, I question the relevance of bringing up the design phase when this discussion was about mass market production costs.
                >Costs decrease over time because the foundry takes action to bring down costs.
                Isn't that what anon had said in his first post?
                He didn't assert that the cost magically goes down due to mass consumer purchases, he commented on how the cost price of units is lowered due to mass manufacturing methods, and improvements to lower the production cost per yield.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Go run GPU-Z
                Look at the subsection denoting ASIC quality

                Now wonder to yourself why the frick that would be there unless literally everyone familiar with this subject knew what it meant and how the term was used

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Go run GPU-Z
                >Look at the subsection denoting ASIC quality
                That is literally just a voltage efficiency rating. If anything, it's a misnomer to call it ASIC quality.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It isn't a misnomer, that is appropriate usage in correct parlance. The silicon itself, its physical layout, that is the ASIC.
                Stop grasping at straws because you didn't know this.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I am 99% sure GPU-Z refers to voltage efficiency as "ASIC quality" to keep things simple for cypto miners, who were using ASICs before the majority migrated to using GPUs and therefore wanted to check a setting that read the same as their ASIC quality settings would when monitoring their mining efficiency on an ASIC. A GPU is not an ASIC, nor does it contain or consist of an ASIC.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No, moron, GPU-Z uses it because its the appropriate term to use.
                It is used ubiquitously
                https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-ribs-nvidia-over-16-pin-issues-removed-it-from-7800-xt-and-7700-xt
                https://db.thegpu.guru/asics
                The job position of a technician who oversees projects up to the point before they're passed along to a fab is literally called an ASIC Verification Engineer

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >https://db.thegpu.guru/asics
                those are ACIS on the pcb of the graphics/video card, not the GPU die itself as you were referring to earlier.
                >The job position of a technician who oversees projects up to the point before they're passed along to a fab is literally called an ASIC Verification Engineer
                News to me if true, I cannot easily find out whether Nvidia's ASIC Verification Engineer is involved with the development of the GPU die (or the Tegra SoC that the Switch uses, which is much more relevant to what we were initially discussing), but I can see that they have hired ASIC verification engineers in the past so can give benefit of the doubt, I guess?
                If this is what you were referring to, though, why didn't you specifically mention ASIC verification engineers?
                It is still true that the Tegra SoC is not an ASIC and does not incorporate one, and it is a strange logical leap to take to assume that by ASICs, you actually meant the ASIC Verification Engineers' involvement with the low-level design of these products.

                Furthermore, none of this would be a 'smoking gun' against what that anon had said in the first place. In fact, most of what you and I have discussed would still support the initial port that anon had made. We're only arguing semantics by this point.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >initial port
                *initial point

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >those are ACIS on the pcb of the graphics/video card, not the GPU die itself as you were referring to earlier.
                Actually no, this is another case of the cryptominers and overclocking community referring to the GPU as an ASIC

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I imagine it's an issue of balancing production costs because a lot of what is going into the Switch is modern and unproven tech.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    because we really need a switch 2 for more garbage farming sims on the eshop

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the PS5 and Xbox one X launches were severely crippled by scalpers so Nintendo has more time to sandbag

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The only reason scalpers were such an issue with those was the chip shortage. They couldn’t produce huge quantities, which meant they were only shipping small batches everywhere, which allowed scalpers to buy entire shipments.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What if there is no Switch 2 and Switch was supposed to be this gen's console?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Switch is gen 9. Switch 2 is gen 10

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Switch is gen 8, Switch 2 is gen 9.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Wii U is gen 8, sorry. That makes Switch gen 9 and Switch 2 gen 10.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            This is a stupid conversation for idiots. Nintendo consoles since the Wii exist between the standard console generations. Idiots.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Gen 1
              Color TV-Game
              >Gen 2
              Game & Watch
              >Gen 3
              Nintendo Entertainment System
              >Gen 4
              Super Nintendo Entertainment System
              >Gen 5
              Nintendo 64
              >Gen 6
              Nintendo Gamecube
              >Gen 7
              Wii
              >Gen 8
              Wii U
              >Gen 9
              Nintendo Switch

              Why is it so hard for you homosexuals to understand?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                They can't separate the idea of generations and power.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                where THE FRICK is the virtual boy

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                it never happened

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Wii U is gen 7. What has it done to meaningfully earn it's place in the Gen 8 timeline besides releasing later?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Shouldn't you be asking what the ps4 and xbone did? After all they do less than their previous systems.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because it keeps selling?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not outside of Japan, Switch has been declining everywhere else

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Declining doesn't mean not selling like crazy.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I thought it was because the yen is compartively quite weak against the vietnamese dong where they are manufacturing the switch. It will be cheaper to make when the yen is stronger.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >So me think, why make new Nintendo when old Nintendo do trick

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does Nintendo keep delaying it?
    To piss off the gays who follow that gay that claims it'll be announced in the upcoming direct

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There's number of reasons:
    >switch is still selling well
    >they reportedly had problems with chip shortage
    >they want to have plenty of stock so that they don't have sell nothing for months like happened with switch
    >they want to have strong line of game at release
    >they double and triple check everything so that there's not going to be paperclip 2.0

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    they got scared by the mig chips

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because switch is still selling like hotcakes

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      is it tho

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I guess not anymore, since they announced the new console. Might overtake PS2 as the best selling console of all times though

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          sony will re-release PS2 in somalia if that happens

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Or find a long lost document saying that they actually sold 170 million units kek

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            nah, they will just claim it actually sold like 200 million.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            they will find a truck full of lost sales recorded

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    releasing new console makes no sense now
    also switch 2 would need to be compatible with switch 1 library to not be a flop (and console israelites hate backwards compatibility)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      nintendo have historically been very good with backwards compatibility. They couldn't with the switch because it's a totally different architecture. Also no disc drive.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    what if they what it to last 10 years? and we get 10 years of the next console

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry late adopter, the terminal has been reached.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >new console
    >it has the drift problem too
    Calling it now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Surely switch 2 will use hall effect joysticks.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Switch continues to sell combined with manufacturing difficulties

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It shouldn't release for another 3 years.

    A pro was more than enough.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's probably seriously difficult for nintendo to get affordable chips from nvidia the way things are right now. Nvidia can package up the amount of silicon that would be in like 5 switches and sell it as a datacenter NPU for $50000

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Switch 2 will NOT be as successfull as the Switch. Everytime Nintendo has had a hugely successful console the successor never does as well. Nes sold 61 million, the snes sold 49 million. The wii sold 101 million, wii u 13 million, ds 154 million, 3ds 75 million.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Switch 2 won't be as successful as what is to become the best selling console of all time
      I'm sure Nintendo is aware of that.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This is stupid reasoning but it's also funny because, even if it holds up, the Switch sold so fricking much that the Switch 2 selling less could still mean 100 million in the pocket.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think it'll be as successful because back then a lot of sales came from people getting excited at the novelty of a handheld being able to play console level games. That novelty has worn off by now and most people don't like playing at 500p 20fps, so they won't even bother getting a Switch 2.
      I think it'll still be successful, just not PS2/DS levels of successful. It'll probably be like Wii level.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >That novelty has worn off by now
        Says who? People like playing handheld, why would they suddenly stop liking it?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Not really sure what's so hard to understand? Back in 2017 the idea of playing PS3/PS4 games on a handheld when handhelds back then were still stuck on like 240p and 544p was insane, so people got the Switch just to experience it. Now they've experienced it and a lot of the time the experience is much worse compared to playing it on a PC or other console since you're getting a gimped version. It's disillusioning and some are going to get turned off from getting the Switch 2 since they'd expect something similar.
          Obviously I don't mean EVERYONE is going to get over it, but they aren't going to maintain the entire 140m+ user base. There's going to be a bunch of people that got the Switch out of curiosity, didn't end up liking it and won't get the next system.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If that guy that said it was supposed to launch this year but got delayed into next year is right, then it's so they can have a better year 1 lineup

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, leakers like that are never right.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >it was supposed to launch this year but got delayed
      Anon, that's just "insiders" trying to save face.
      Like the guy who unironically claimed Nintendo cancelled the Switch Pro solely because they got mad it leaked.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because Nintentards keep buying switch games. Nintendo has literally no reason to release their next garbage console. They can support the switch for another 5 years.

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They're waiting for the bank of japan to fix the yen crisis

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think they'll put it at 40k yen (to mirror $400) and region lock it in Japan to stop exports of of the country.
      Building a strong domestic userbase will be more important than losses from the weak yen.

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Please have good network features. It's been an industry standard for almost 20 years Nintendo

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because a lot of people still play Candy Crush on their Motorola G2. If sells.

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point? Most tendies take pride in the fact that the graphics suck. It's part of the appeal, otherwise they can't say "it's all about the gameplay maaaan!" Who's gonna buy a new console that is effectively just a crap computer, not even as good as a PS4 Pro? There's no point in the existence of a "Switch 2". The Switch's selling point was that it was something different from the Wii. What wagie in his right mind is gonna buy a new one with slightly better but still crappy graphics?

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Switch sells too well and they don't want to trash their christmas sales by announcing a product too early

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The name of the Switch successor is The Nintendo Top

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