>Turn Based is dea----
>Baldur's Gate 3 hits 469k concurrent and has already outsold XVI
APOLOGIZE
EXPANDING THE PLAYERBASE MY ASS
>Turn Based is dea---- >Baldur's Gate 3 hits 469k concurrent and has already outsold XVI
>Turn Based is dea----
>Baldur's Gate 3 hits 469k concurrent and has already outsold XVI
APOLOGIZE
EXPANDING THE PLAYERBASE MY ASS
he never said that turn based is dead
he just said they wanted to make an action game since FF doesnt have a proper one
And it still got mogged by SoP in that regard anyway
>Soulshit
Dropped.
it's niohshit, not soulshit. flat dungeons and you equip new gear every 5 seconds.
No. SoP was solid but no more than a 7/10. It has glaring issues.
Actual marketing jargon. How does Final Fantasy not have a “proper” action game when literally XV, VII Remake, Stranger of Paradise, Type-0, Crisis Core, and you can even make the argument that all of Kingdom Hearts and even Mana (the first Mana game IS a Final Fantasy game) are all “proper” action games. You actually have to be a fricking moron to consider Final Fantasy 16 to be the first true action RPG in the series. 15 was a true action game too, it was just a pile of dogshit.
>XV
An abomination
>VII Remake
not action
>Stranger of Paradise, Type-0, Crisis Core
Spin offs
They wanted it both ways: the impression that they're taking a bold risk with something they've done better before while also relying on their most prestigious and revered IP for guaranteed sales.
the characters in 15 don't ever stop flipping around long enough for the action part to be smooth like a DMC/GoW/NG/etc. Too many canned animations. VII also makes you wait to use anything outside of basic attack spam, as there are no other real inputs. Action games are fast paced, those you mentioned are still hybrid action adventures.
regardless of FFXVI's quality this guy will go down in history as among the biggest clown game devs of all time once people sober up
>publicly makes a fool of himself crying over a two week delay
>says young people don't care about turn based
>says they had to abandon it because it can't be popular otherwise
>makes an extremely easy game and puts options in it to make it even easier which no one used
>thinks "JRPG" as a term is racist, releases a game with the most cliche jrpg story in years, doesn't include any of the innovations on quest design or choice that western RPGs like Witcher 3 brought to the table, making his game the ultimate proof for why the term is legit and necessary
genuinely lol at this guy
no he literally said they can make it turn based because it's not popular enough.
he's been proven wrong completely by Baldur's Gate. on every level. BG3 doesn't even have a higher budget than FFXVI and had 6 years of development like FF.
he's a clown / moron
https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2023/02/28/final-fantasy-16-designers-discuss-why-the-series-hasnt-been-turn-based-for-a
Yoshi-P couldn't hack it outside of his worship hugbox MMO.
>thinks "JRPG" as a term is racist
it's okay when Nomura does it though
Nomura wasn't throwing standard jrpg concepts out the window when making 7remake, that's the big difference.
In fact, he stated that he didn't want to leave behind turn-based fans behind and came up with the hybrid system with the devs. Despite him saying he doesn't like the term, you can tell they wanted to still make a jrpg.
Yoshida meanwhile mocked older FF games and tried chasing the action combat trend to appeal to younger players (while making his game rated M for some reason lmao). Then baldur's gate comes out and takes a big shit all over his hypothesis.
that's the difference between the two.
When did Yoshida mock older FF games?
Yes.
Nomura ALWAYS wins. You'd do well to remember that.
Japs are moronic. Thanks god japanese game devs will soon die.
>quotes
Holy shit this guy is moronic.
These are two different people anon.
That's even worse.
>BG2 getting better sales on day 1 than the entire first month for FFVIII.
>dev costs well above 100 million
Couldn't they just make smaller games that capture that FF feel and stick to their heritage? Does FF have to be 150 million and make back 300 million + revenue over the next 8 years via MTX?
Imagine a modern FF game but in the style of 7, 8, 9, or 10. You up the textures and the sound quality. Spend 40% of dev time writing the best story and characters you can manage. Remove the cringe shit like Cait Sith and e-girls. They could experiment/innovate since failure is less risky. Sell it on Steam, PS, Xbox, and a 480p version for Switch.
Tell me why this wouldn't work? Maybe RPGs are going the way of the RTS and it's just not worth it for a company of SE's size.
>describes pic related word-by-word
I didn't play this game so I guess I answered by own question. Is it good?
they did that, it was called bravely default for 3ds and it was good. but BD2 for switch sucked and was TOO low budget.
>To recoup that development cost, you need as many people playing your game as possible
>Makes it an exclusive
They immediately announced XIV coming to Xbox shortly after terrible XVI sales.
You understand making it exclusive means sony paid a lot of money for this right anon. Surely you weren't trying to be disingenuous right
>publicly makes a fool of himself crying over a two week delay
Fans ate that shit up
>says young people don't care about turn based
He's still right. Just because BG3 had good sales doesn't mean zoomies ans gen Alpha care about turn based.
>says they had to abandon it because it can't be popular otherwise
He never said Black person
>makes an extremely easy game and puts options in it to make it even easier which no one used
Giving it a baby mode is basically free high reviews since journalists could play it. Also since when were FF games actually hard?
>thinks "JRPG" as a term is racist, releases a game with the most cliche jrpg story in years, doesn't include any of the innovations on quest design or choice that western RPGs like Witcher 3 brought to the table, making his game the ultimate proof for why the term is legit and necessary
Blah blah blah shut up Barry you didn't play the game and you're just parroting Ganker doomposts like they actually mean anything.
>He's still right
Then why does BGIII have multiple times more sales than XVI in the same day on PS5?
NTA but you literally have no idea how much its sold
So. When we get week one sales next week, and they turn out to be much higher than current XVI sales.
What will you say then?
I wouldn't really care tbtbh I don't work at SE.
You are either with me or against me.
Straight or Gay.
No in-between.
Choose one and choose it now.
bisexual
So gay it is.
Wtf is his moronic comment about being able to shoot? Is Yoshi P a 50+ year old japanese dude with ADHD like an American zoom?
Turn based or real time, it doesn't matter. He made a shit game. If it had good gameplay, it wouldnt matter that it's not turn based.
Reading from that excerpt i can tell that YoshiP doesn't understand what "style" or "personality" elevates a game's appeal, pokemon games are turn based yet still appealing to newer audiences to this very day, capcom still makes a shitton of money with monster hunter and their other action game titles because they are dinstinctive franchises.
FF since 9 more or less became a "quasi korean-esque" looking RPG that on a grand scope of shovelware games with the similar setting and artstyle (including mmos) make FF become undistinguishable from them.
One of the reasons FFOrigins was so acclaimed is because of the tone and gameplay were very well defined from the rest of the franchise and for itself and the main character was a pro-active one.
LMFAO.
>Anon has this stuff saved and ready for easy access on his computer
>Expects to be taken seriously, because those are the actions of a sane, reasonable man
Actual lie. He said he had to make it character action because it's more popular, and turn based RPGs are not strong in the market anymore. Cut the cope, troony. Yoshit-Pee was a hack, bending the knee to trends further killing FF because he's too insecure.
This homie said JRPG was a slur
It is
>bioware
not like they know what an RPG is either.
The funny thing is he's half right. The western gaming media is incredibly racist against japan, so it's easy to see why he might think "JRPG" is a slur, but the reality is it was originally a term used by the few people who actually liked japanese games to help each other find more of them.
13, 15 and 16 were all non-turnbased and ALL of them sucked massive donkey dick.
10 was the last super successful entry in the series. Why? because it was actually turn based. How many times do people need to look at reviews to understand why FFX was and is still considered the best title in Japan. Bring back turn based combat that requires using your brain and the games will have solid gameplay. Bring back real fantasy settings, not generic eurocentric settings and the stories will be good again and since the music and visuals have never faltered, Square fixes these two things and we are back to god-tier FF titles again. FF doesn't need to be DmC nor GoW.
This is the simple truth.
Turn-based is what made FF good. I don't even know why these action-trannies are pretending to like FF
10 was popular due to being on the PS2 and because of it's story and characters.
>barry trying to pit fanbases against each other again
>13, 15 and 16 were all non-turnbased and ALL of them sucked massive donkey dick.
13 is turn based. It's a rehash of 10 in many ways in fact except story. Fgays don't like gameplay.
>Fgays don't like gameplay.
this, it's fricking hilarious seeing all this horse shit about "muh turn based". the singular FF game with gameplay that the fans of it actually care about is 5, all these people talking about any of the other entries are full of so much shit.
12 has most RPG elements in the series I think, never played 5. Most customization in terms of skills and party management. Yet FF fans dislike 12 despite being RPG as frick especially compared to rest of the FFs. It's disingenious when FF fans talks about muh turn based muh rpg despite not liking RPG heavy FF games in the first place.
12 is boring as frick
Because RPGs are boring as frick. Don't hate on 16 for not being boring as frick then.
What a fricking moronic leap in logic.
FF1-5 were literally just medieval castles with occasional sci fi ruins or ancient temples what do you mean?
The brand manager has said that the series will never go back to turn based because they want to reach a wider audience.
It all makes no fricking sense because they try to sell themselves out by making a Devil May Cry/Bayonetta clone, which are games that have always sold worse than Turn based Final Fantasy. They must be bunching all action games together and comparing themselves to shit like Call of Duty and Halo.
FF hasn't had a proper turn based numered rpg entry in more than ten years, and that's if we count the absolute dogshitfest that is the FF13 trilogy, otherwise we go back to FFX or something like that. You'd be lucky to get a turn based spinoff, everything is action rpg bullshit.
You are a moronic Black person and a corporate wienersucker.
I have a shameless adoration for 13-2 purely because of the monster collecting.
Fair enough because it's some of the only enjoyable content in the game as far as I'm concerned, but I could still feel my soul leaving my body while beating the game because everything else is so bad. I was just begging for it to end.
>but I could still feel my soul leaving my body while beating the game because everything else is so bad. I was just begging for it to end.
Same honestly. I really dug the first half because of the monster collecting, non hallway maps, side stuff like the casino & hunting down rare uber bosses trying to get 5 star rating to collect them . Unfortunately it devolved into a marathon of copy paste hallway dungeons with a heavy emphasis on the villain story, instead of the individual location stories, which I never once comprehended or cared about just like 13. At least that's how I remember it anyway.
Also distinctly remember a non conclusive ending where I didn't understand wtf was even happening because of the aforementioned lack of understanding of the story which was a carry over from skipping every cutscene past the 3 hour mark in the first game, admittedly my fault on that but still.
Regardless I loved that first half, riding around on chocobos & collecting monsters was a blast & I have no idea why they never did anything like it again.
16 is not an “RPG” and I would say FFXV isn’t either so at best I’d describe it as the first true action game in the series while the first proper action rpg was probably something like crisis core or remake.
Pretty big difference between 4 Black folk in a row and a CRPG
Stranger of paradise is an action game, I think XV was as well
>No goo-
Stranger of paradise is good.
I still brought XVI though
>Big difference
But people’s issue was that turn based “isnt fun.”
BG proves that it determined by the designers, not the format.
Considering BG3 is 5e I doubt it's any fun in combat
They fricked up with the PS5 exclusivity, and BG3 proves it. Fricking Hogwarts proves it too.
There is no PS5 exclusivity. They simply couldn't get it to run on the Series S in time for launch. Blame Microsoft for that.
???
BG3 is PC exclusive (for now) you moron. Stop with this pathetic excuse of FF16 selling bad because of being a PS5 exclusive.
PS5 players only play movie games like Last of Us and GoW and Call of Duty. Releasing an RPG on PS5 was a death sentence.
>i-it's the playerbase's fault
troon...
what will be your excuse when ff16 sells like shit on PC just like ff14 has?
Also FF16 is more of a movie game than any of the game you quoted
The difference is that PC as a platform actually has people who play games on it
This shit is abysmal for a console that's sold 40 million copies
There's perhaps less players on steam with a config capable of running bg3 than PS5 owners.
And yea, ps5 exclusives are shit, see ff16.
more people have pcs
Not with a config capable of running BG3
you underestimate how many normies lower settings. You are stupider than any normie in existence.
Seeth more troon. Only 13% of the PS5 playerbase played ff16. And that's counting the demo (reminder that forspoken demo was on top in downloads for weeks).
>Not with a config capable of running BG3
Minimum
>GTX970
>i5-4690
>8 gb ram
This is a mid-high range PC from 10 years ago.
Do you guys not have computers?
Yoshi-P.... Hashino is materializing further and further into existence as turn-based grows... your spot at the table...........
>moron07
have a nice day
>troonsona
still waiting 10 years for one game lol
>Yoshi-P
Toilet boy.
know this is a shitpost thread, BUT, could a CRPG style Final Fantasy game work?
Yes. Final Fantasy Tactics is halfway there. Just add in an actual explorable world between combat segments and you're good.
it could totally work but it requires square enix to care
Definitely. Be lazy and copy/paste FF14s entire world/map and bring the Tactics gays to work on the important stuff.
>could a CRPG style Final Fantasy game work?
I never realized how much I wanted this until now. But no fricking way SE could pull it off.
Does Square even have a dev team that can do CRPGs? I feel like this is the kind of stuff that a real aeteur to make it work.
>Another thread of FFkiddies pretending they care about turn based gameplay
Of course it has, there's the SaGa Project
It literally could not work due to the Story Structure of FF titles. FF titles heavily rely on structured stories. Making them too open would cause the story to lose its meaning and weight.
FF7 did have good linear setup sections and nonlinear sections. However a crag style story will invariably be shit so don’t do that. Ever.
Crpg style story*
Yeah until people realize it's turn-based, complain about it, and some realtime combat mod emerges.
You fool, haven't you learnt?
>unlocks all preorder simultaneously
>OMG WE SOLD 500K IN ONE MINUTES
Also lol at pctards thinking 500K sales worldwide for AAA is good.
>He thinks simultaneous player count is sales
Yoshit piss cultists everyone
Name 700 games that sold 500k in one minute
wasnt the game early access?
>one minute
cringe moron
>can't even name one
kek thought so
Can you?
Baldur's Gate III
I’m an hour into the game and only just finished making a wild magic warlock(?) and as soon as I was fiddling with the controls and casted a spell I summoned 2 enemies that rekt me and made me restart the game.
10/10 I love this game so far, unironically.
>Highly anticipated PC game with three-year early access period outsells moderately anticipated PS5 exclusive that was constantly hounded by autistic manchildren since it was announced
Damn, that's so crazy.
Shitposting against BG3 was far worse since the devs released that blog scolding their players for making white male characters
FF sold that much in Japan alone, physical only.
Those numbers aren't good and it's only gonna get worse after Twitch start banning the dicks and breasts of all those "concurent players" streams.
It's concurrent players you moronic Black person.
holy cope. those aren't sales numbers. that's concurrent players.
here's a guide:
persona 4 golden: Max concurrent players on steam was 28k
actual sales on steam alone in the first month? 500k.
500k concurrent players means millions of copies sold.
>Letting Sony wall you off from the majority of the gaming market
Ill consider FF16 a failure when it is available on more than one platform and sells like shit.
you're my favorite one of the morons obsessed with XVI, all of your images are pure nonsense
Call me petty all you want Ganker.
But I will endlessly rub this in people's faces for the rest of the year.
I was legitimately seething seeing all these homosexuals pretend TB was in any way dead end.
what's even better that it happens about a month later. FFXVI gets outsold by a turn based RPG with the exact same amount of dev time only a month later.
it's beautiful.
>Call me petty all you want Ganker.
>But I will endlessly rub this in people's faces for the rest of the year.
I was legitimately seething seeing all these homosexuals pretend TB was in any way dead end
You are petty but also GIGABASED anon!
>we are excited to announce that FF XVII is going to be a turn based CRPG
how would you react?
id laugh at square chasing Trends again but I'd buy it
Yoshi-P is a fricking hack fraud, now we need Nomura to save the day and Final Fantasy with Rebirth(which features ATB system).
alongside Nojima, Kitase, Toriyama, and Hamaguchi
Nojima and Kitase are hacks.
Nomura has been fricking up projects since Versus XIIIs announcement back in 2006. How can such a failed record save anything? Just stop. Nojima Toriyama and Kitase are just corpo clown leftovers from the enix merge with nothing but failures and mediocrity to their name. Couldn't even do a VII remake properly.
FF13 is better than FF16
FF7 Remake is better than FF16
FF7 Rebirth is going to be a lot better than FF16
Yoshi-P should not be allowed to make a singleplayer, mainline FF anymore. He should stick to making more FF14 expansions.
>FF13 is better than FF16
have a nice day
something about 13 and 15 made some people into actual troglodytes, it's always fans of those two that are the most deranged. with the exception of the FF7 house, of course.
The anon i replied to has never play FF16 or 13.
16 gets a lot of shit for how easy it is but 13 is laughably easier.
Debuff, attack, attack/medic, repeat. The final boss was a fricking joke.
FF16 is a mediocre game and an utter disappointment.
FF13, FF15, and FF7 Remake are better than FF16.
FF7 Rebirth is going to an amazing 9/10 game, and Yoshi-P will be kept in the MMO mines.
quit treating toys like sports teams you fricking weirdo
>FF7 Remake is better than FF16
Not even a finished game.
FF16 has too many plotholes, no wonder why it's getting DLC
>no wonder why it's getting DLC
No it's not lmao. They have no budget for that.
FF16 has no plot holes besides
>What's the fate of 3 princes(not even a plot hole just open to interpetation)
>What happened to Leviathan(DLCbait)
Compare that to FF7R
>Aerith somehow knows about time jannies just like Sephi
>Sephi knows the future wants to prevent it
>Zack is magically alive despite dying years ago once they killed time jannies(like how the frick? Why the hell Cloud's team aren't dead if that somehow magically reverts back everything since jannies saved them only 5 fricking minutes ago)
This Black person's last game was Kh2FM+ and what's good couldn't even be traced back to him. Let him go.
regardless of his game, he clearly is unqualified to be a producer. he made a clear statement: turn based RPGs cannot sell, and he made decisions based on that. this statement was ridiculously wrong (even before BG3 released but now even more so)
how can you keep a man like that at the helm who makes such gross misjudgements?
BG3 IS WAYYYYY BETTER THAN FF16
same way zombie panic, co-op horror, free on steam if u download today is way better than l4d
DMCV outsold BG3 so he was right.
XVI WISHES it was good as DMCV lmao
Imagine DMCV but all you can play is a more gimped Nero
it almost certainly won't. BG3 hype will only increase
>BG3 sold 1M in early access
>BG3 sold 500K at launch
DMCV sold 7.2M copies. Best selling DMC game and sold more than most FF games too lol.
Sequel will fix it. Also what's the problem of playing as Nero? He's fun.
>sold more than most FF games too
most sane DMC Black person
LMAO
>Most delusional DMC-ACK!
homie you're fricking stupid. it sold several times more than 500k. 500k is concurrent players
obsessed
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/Di8uoe2c65KqeRVlFq3dGw/
>mmo-Black person archive posts for the hundredth time
>obsessed
KEK
Turn based is truly dead, honkai star rail and bald gate flopped so hard that no one even knows about them! Now, I will enjoy the rest of my day playing ff16, spamming one button to kill every boss like a real western gamer
>no party no rpg no happy ending
Kneel fgays
XVI is better than BG3, queue the dozens of (You)s crying.
I'm seeing a lot of these "Balder's Gate III has three hundred gorillion players rn!" posts everywhere.
Is this schizo shill gonna stop or nah?
>goes into every FFXVI thread
>not obsessed
whatever you have to tell yourself.
>FF abandons older FF fans to seek a younger audience
>endless seething
>BG3 abandons old BG fans to seek a new audience
>nobody cares
why is this
Ganker just wants another TORtanic so they can meme about it endlessly. FF is more meme worthy in that regard.
Has Barry found a new thing to obsess over finally?
Bear sex dude
Expected from any ffxv fan
Turn based rpgs are dogshit
Turn based tactics is good
Both gams are fun, you're all homosexuals.
same. i am very glad to have spent as much time as i have on the internet without catching this weird derangement. i wish i could believe everyone was just pretending to get (You)s, but some of you gays are genuinely invested in a war over fricking toys. the ironic detachment evaporated long ago. you're just pathetic now.
>irony homosexual crying
you're probably the best example in these threads of the maturity level of your peers
>garbled English
the absolute STATE of action-Black folk
you are legitimately a very dumb person, keep posting your scribbles by all means
Nah. I like XVI too but you c**ts endlessly used yoship and it to lord over turnbased gays.
anonymous posting is making you dumb. what if... that guy never did that? and you're just shitting up threads for people that aren't actually the guy you've cobbled in your head?
I demand one of those kneeling apologies from Yoshida san. Make Final Fantasy classic again.
It's because 4-homies-in-a-line turn based is awful, but just the "minor" factor of adding movement and environmental aspects makes it much more interesting. Turn based is not the problem. JRPGs are the problem.
then the trails series is clearly the best jrpg series of all time since it has exactly that since its inception
or smtv and persona 5 are famously known for having very bad gameplay that no one enjoys
Weebs are also notorious for having no standards besides "are there anime girls?" and raging if anything is changed from their very specific experience/preferences. Just because they are a profitable fanbase to pander to doesn't mean they have good taste. Just look at CoD, pop music, or marvel. Very successful, very enjoyed, not very good.
western turnbased
>gays/beastiality
>stat point allocation
>build variety
>positioning matters
>spell interactions
japanese turnbased
>crossdressers
>all stats scale on level up
>no builds
>front row for 10% damage boost or not
>mash x unless boss. then use biggest spell
japan should try the western formula without the gay shit
I'm really worried when i see people arguing that current player = sales...
are people that dumb?
To give you an idea, DOS2 that Larian considered a huge success and selling multiple millions copies(we don't have the exact number) had a current players peak of 93k at release.
BG3 is doing more than 5X that with 470k.
We won't know the total sales for a while but Larian will print money with this game.
It's just MMO-Black folk coping incredibly hard
How much did Baldur’s Gate sell?
Not that you don't have a point, but BG3's budget is at least ten times that of FFXV, so it needs to sell a lot more to make a profit too.
What. Larian is a double-A dev on their best day. Larian had 400 workers while SE have close to 4000.
BG3 absolutely doesn't have a higher budget than FFXVI lmao. the only reason the game could even become this big is that the devs made tons of money through early access.
What kind of moronic alien cope is this. Squeenix is a small indie studio now?
BG3 destroys XVI so hard the latter needs literally not exist any more. It's kinda wilid how shit FF has become.
FF is weebshit. If you were a teenager in the 90's I could understand you being hyped by this franchise.
Even if you make it turn based, it still wouldn't make it due to:
>cringe and linear story
>no choices
>pre defined weeb characters
I'd say the last one isn't true for FFXVI. FF doesn't really have cringe weeb archetype characters generally. being a linear story isn't inherently bad, it just has to be well done unlike FF
Isn't the guy whose only achievement was that he copied WoW?
Yes. He's no genius.
No, his biggest achievement is creating a cult of personality around himself by copying WoW.
How did this happen? They are so vocal yet nobody plays ff14 on steam, it's dead on twitch and the youtube videos get barely any views...
No one really playes FF14. Honestly, it's probably just a psyop.
Yes but it has 36 gorillion players according to some random guy's unofficial player count, nothing else matters.
BARRY FRICKING WON
what is he thinking right now?
Why does a japanese man hate his own culture so much
coming up with an excuse
>actually Baldur's gate is so successful because it's from a famous and very old RPG series.... wait oops
>actually it's successful because it's very story focused and has somewhat multifaceted, we were forced to make cardboards like Jill actually
>westerners are racists against japanese, that's why they buy WRPGs but not JRPGs
>maybe the game was too hard for westerners
>Baldur's Gate was more successful overall but we are more successful with young people and that's what matters
I unironically think he will say some of these
Didnt buy a ps5 for any of the exclusives before ff16... then release came and went, along with a generally disappointing tone lmao. Saving money on a pc, winning
ZODIARK
TRANCE
no do go on what about Barry
The funniest part is that BG3 was a decade in the making.
This was Larian building upon their existing systems with every iteration and not secondguessing themselves.
Imagine if Square had the same confidence when it came to FF
>B-BUT FINAL FANTASY IS MEANT TO BE EXPERIMENTAL AND "INNOVATIVE"
No it fricking isn't lmao. At best, after the Sakaguchi/Kitamse era, the series was less experimental and more like Square lost their way and didn't have any fricking idea what do with it instead of building upon what worked.
>Imagine if Square had the same confidence when it came to FF
Well...
As long as turn based gays suffers FF is in the right tracks. Don't care if they suffer at the hands of Nomura or Yoshida.
>another MMO Black person who can't write a legible sentence
KEK
>ESL pretending to know how to read English
>it's not important that I have fun, it's important that other people don't have fun
typical mentally ill FFXIV troony
I had fun with 7R and 16 though. Eternal seethe of turn based gays is just another joy on top of the games themselves.
I don't understand why they seethe at 16 so much. It's not even the first non turn based FF game. 15 doesn't get as much as hate but I guess it's a given since it's just holding one button just like turn based games.
FF 1-10 have a very clear trajectory as a series. There are changes between games but they never truly threw the baby out with the bathwater. Someone who plays 6 will be very comfortable with 7 and then very comfortable with 8 and then 9 and then 10. It only looks like they made huge changes if you jump from 3 to 10.
he's not wrong, jrpgs are fricking dead. western pozzed turn based rpgs may have a market for the troony/elder scrolls mod community tho. have fun having sex with bears
Romance with Us!
>has already outsold XVI
There's 3 million players and counting?
it's incredible how fricking stupid people on Ganker are
Then it should be easy to answer
>No one wants to play your troony game
Remind me which game lets you put a dick on a woman and vice versa?
>500k playing simultaneously
Take a fricking guess
Oh and that was 3 million shipped.
No one wants to play your troony game you vile troon (only 13% ps5 owners, counting the demo lmao).
I'm guessing there are more trannies in BG3 and I haven't even played it lol. Bear sex counts as a trans I guess.
The yoshit piss cult has the biggest trans community.
Only troons could spam this board and every mmo thread h24 that much about a dead game.
Since we don’t know what the game sold yet, I’m assuming that OP is incredibly moronic is actually comparing XVI’s Japanese numbers to Baldur’s Gate’s steam numbers
I mean it probably sold over a million but it won't reach that 3m+ until israelitetuber shill reviewers convince the last couple of million that they'll enjoy 200+ hours of something they won't ever experience themselves. This is a game for neets.
Early Access alone sold 1 million on release though.
>Early Access
My bad, I thought gamers weren't that moronic yet. Yeah it's over. Gaming's officially for braindead consoomer morons.
nah, we can be certain that 500k simultaneous players on steam means that the game sold more than 3 million or will very shortly.
P4 golden peaked at 28k and sold 500k
football manager peaks at 60k and sells 2-3 million every year.
500k simultaneous is absolutely massive.
So it’s just speculation? That’s even more moronic. If you’re going to shitpost about a game outselling another game you should at the very least wait until you have the actual numbers. OP is a gay as usual
You can't even read a sentence? Holy shit troons are truly vile and dishonest.
When will the endless seething about FFXVI discontinue? I don't see what Baldur's Gate 3 has to do with Final Fantasy.
They have nothing to do with one another you could make this thread about fricking RE4R for all the similarities there is between the two games.
it's not about the games, it's about the producer of FFXVI saying they cannot make turn based games anymore because they won't sell millions. today a turn based rpg came out that sold millions and likely outsold FFXVI already.
the thread is about making fun of YoshiP and his cultist followers more than FFXVI, which has flaws for reasons mostly unrelated to it being an action game
Don't ever pretend you homosexuals aren't more moronic than boomers. I can't count the amount of times someone has taken info or a quote out of context and you drooling imbeciles have taken up arms over something that never happened
womp womp
But lets be real here. An FF CRPG would be insanely fricking sick.
Let's assume they do a spinoff of an existing FF setting, what game in the series should they use or would be best fit for a CRPG?
>still playing single-player FF games
I will end this! The past must not be temptation!
You can't make the difference with crpg and jrpg
1 game is on steam, the other took a bribe to be timed exclusive
You need a decent config to run BG3.
Also the ps5 sold something like 30/40 millions already?
frick this ugly gay and the trannies that worship him
?
I don't really like BG3 but a win for turn based chads is a win.
FF15 kept on selling
I know Barry is here.
Frick off Barry you autistic Black person you don't even like turn based games.
I made the OP to shit on anti-TB gays, that includes your pathetic ass, so go be a seething tard elsewhere.
Now that's a nice tummy
I'm glad BG3 is doing so well. Maybe JRPGs will take a hint that braindead 4 Black folk in a row combat is a dead genre and start putting some depth into their games.
Even if this is "classic" you can tell it's mobileshit, it doesn't have the same impact or care as a regular game. This is what busts my nuts the most, the fact that anyone can look at this low effort asset dunk and say "see, turn based does not work in the modern day and age, it's boring!!" while making this shit. It looks boring and uninspired.
Are you saying it looks good for turn-based modern shit or it looks bad for turn-based modern shit?
it looks worse than SMTV and octopath traveller 2 which are the current peak for turn based combat
Good. The gacha will fail and SMTV and OT2 will continue to shine as the best examples of the genre.
>SMTV
That game would've sold a lot more if the main character wasn't a troony.
It looks like a (comparatively) somewhat high effort mobile game, which is not good because you can tell this is still a mobile game which puts it on the lowest possible spectrum of interesting games.
If you compare this to an actual modern turn based console jrpg it looks like a mcdonalds toy.
>actual modern turn based console jrpg
What's an example of a modern turn based console jrpg?
The other anon said it best, shin megami tensei has been on a roll lately.
These games that try to be "a console experience on mobile" always have the same design patterns behind them, they only try to replicate surface level details without actually delivering on what the games that they are parroting do. Meaningful aspects are never carefully constructed, nor they deliver a meaningful experience that ties itself in a satisfying way, because that's not what they want to be. They want to keep you "engaged" and coming back forever for more opportunities to squeeze your buckaroos.
Do you dislike mobile games in particular for some reason? Feels like you do.
MMO-Black folk killed Blizzard and they killed SE too.
Instead of enjoying BG3, you’re shitposting about FF? OP, kys already I’m tired of your stupid ass threads shitting up the catalogue.
>Noooo, I want the catalog to be filled with ff14 garbage threads talking about the child race!!!
Ugly troon.
Nobody plays your game.
yeah that's what he said what a perfectly sane response you've just made, good work
Literally obsessed.
>NOOOOOO PLEASE STOP
lmao have a nice day.
You Black folk tried to shit on turn based games for fricking MONTHS after all the XVI reveals and interviews.
And suddenly you can't handle a single thread proving that you ever infallible YoshiP was completely wrong abiut its audience appeal?
>You Black folk tried to shit on turn based games for fricking MONTHS after all the XVI reveals and interviews.
Thank you, Anon. It's about time somebody said it. It's annoying how they kept shitting on TB games or anything that doesn't involve button mashing. Look at XVI. It's an easy button masher. Braindead gamr.
as opposed to turnbased?
>attack
>attack
>defend
>buff and debuff
>repeat, maybe take a potion now and then
turnbased, the way the avg jrpg does is unironically incredibly low IQ boring gameplay.
>attack
>dodge
>attack
>spam special moves
>maybe use a potion
see? I can make everything look boring.
Already better than
>squaresquaresquaresquare
>dodge
>squaresquaresquare
Cope
Having full free reign movement and free choice in what kind of attacks you want to use is vastly superior to a big fat auto attack button every turnbased jrpg uses
More like
>square, squre
>dpag
>hold R2 + traingle/cross/square/circle
>r1, square, square, square
>cross, cross + circle
>repeat
Nice try though, disingenuous homosexual
homie ffxvi is the most braindead action game ever made even Zelda has more challenge. There's more considérations that go into a turn based battle and everyone knows this, they're fun. no one said they're particularly difficult but at least they're not among the easiest games ever made like FFXVI
>but at least they're not among the easiest games ever made like FFXVI
Post save data with timestamp
you cannot be serious dude do you actually think it's an accomplishment to finish this game
the baby mode is unnecessary, action mode is itself baby journalist mode. zoomies care about turn based as shown by persona and honkai rail as well. I have no idea what you mean with "didn't play the game", the sidequests are fricking awful and not engaging in any way when Witcher 3 knew how to make them in 2015. this is undisputed. there's no choice in them, they're boring interactively, all you do is pick up items or kill mobs. it's fricking garbage. fricking SMT has better sidquests
>Muh persona
Literally sells because of girls. SMT games sells like shit.
>Muh honkai
Same reason as persona.
>he believes that more inputs add depth
So selecting skills in XVI is somehow deep, but using buffs in TB games isn't? Hypocrite. And I beat your garbage ass game. Fricking shit is EASY.
Forgot pic
>>buff and debuff
Maybe in one every 100 fights or so. Most FFs degrade into either
>spam attack
or
>spam op spell / magic
FFV, by virtue of being a sandbox to make your own broken bullshit, manages to avoid that somehow - even though it's insanely easy and conductive to mashing X on attack
a lot of the people that shit on FFs turn based combat are people that like games like Divinity, Shadowrun, Baldur's Gate and other DnD games. it's not about them being turn based. it's about them being bad turn based games.
>it's about them being bad turn based games.
If you've been in pre-release FFXVI threads, then you'd know the narrative is "action is better than TB," and "TB doesn't sell." Hell, you could have brought up DOS2 as an example of a TB game that did well, and some homosexual shill would move the goalposts. I agree that FF games have always been among the easiest of TB games, but that doesn't mean TB itself is bad.
See
The moron said
> is vastly superior to a big fat auto attack button every turnbased jrpg uses
As if XVI is any better than the most challenging of TB games. So what? A braind dead button masher like XVI is somehow better than TB games because it's not TB? That's insand. Like I said, this was never about "good TB vs bad TB" it's about YoshiP's cult-like fanbase and shills insulting an entire genre of games just because they need to defend their master and his ego. Or because they really want people to buy XVI.
FF16 began early development/pre-production back in 2016, and entered full production in 2019. There was a delay in 2021 due to COVID messing up the communication between S-E and the outsourcing studios that handled certain assets. Supposedly the game's content was fully complete around June 2022, and that entire year was spent on polishing the game until June 2023.
7 year development cycle, and FF16 turned out underwhelming.
BG3 started development in 2017 with less budget, less marketing, less developers and outdid FFXVI in sales and likely, gross profit.
It's over for FF16, it will be a miracle if that game manages to sell 4 or 5 million units by the end of this year. Looks like the only thing that saved FF16 is that Sony deal
May Yoshida lose his board position for this failure.
SE were blaming the PS5 exclusivity deal for its poor tracking literal years before release, there's absolutely no possibility of that happening after him, the CEO, and Phil Spencer went on stage, locked hands and stared directly at the camera while saying "WE WANT TO BRING GAMES TO MORE SYSTEMS yes we said GAMES TO MORE SYSTEMS that means GAMES ON MORE THAN ONE SYSTEM"
yeah sure. and watch FF7R be exclusive AGAIN
>SE mobile games are all better than the newest "mainline" FF
it's over
Turn based doesn't even matter here.
One is an actual RPG with lots of freedom and choices, and mature themes
Other is a series based on corridors, invisible walls, and linear story
FF only got popular for its baby's first tearjerker stories, they never were good games
true except calling DnD stories mature is also laughable. you've got, what, Planescape: Torment?
I feel like since the success of Skyrim then Witcher 3, people want more of those "mature western rpg".
Weeb games are really not popular anymore and it's not an accident if the most popular japanese dev right now is making rpgs with little to no weeb content.
>weeb games are not popular anymore
do you know what the most successful video game of all time is? genshin impact. they released another one, honkai rail, it's turn based and just as successful.
weeb games are more popular than ever. when exactly were weeb games more popular than now? can you imagine persona being as successful in the 90s or early 00s as now? you can't.
Oh now we are talking about mobile shit. I guess most of gamers are females then?
What are some Western turn based games that I should play before Baldur's Gate 3?
I like tactics games, SMT and Pokemon, I hate Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger
Open XCOM
Tabata Bros?
Yoshi-P Bros?
SoP Bros?
FFXVI bros?
FFXV bros?
Why is everyone laughter at us? How were we supposed to know that turn-based games are better and more popular than shitty action games?
did you know that AC6 is coming out this month
Yes. And I WILL be playing and buying it Day One.
It will not outsell BGIII
What happened to the "two AAA projects" that he talked about in 2021? If he fails to show up trailers during TGS 2024 then he is a hack.
They are same games besides stories.
>same corridors
>same one button autoplay combat
>cutscenes interrupting gameplay every 5 seconds
>similar setting
Only real difference besides story is minigames which 13 lacks.
How will FFbros cope once the new DQ launches on Switch and outsells XVI as well?
that's pretty much the final nail in the coffin. the new DQ genuinely has a chance to take back the throne from FF if it doesn't make missteps and builds on its own identity just like Baldur's gate 3 built on divinity. if it does that, if it really looks like something high effort, slightly innovative without losing sight of itself, and builds up a proper hype train, I don't see how it can't surpass FF.
Octopath Traveller sold 3 million, most of it in the west. now imagine way higher budget, marketing and hype. the market is there. they just have to exploit it.
>>13 played itself
...have you Played FFX?
The endgame LITERALLY revolved around putting Auto abilities on all of your characters.
Endgame bosses were literally just movies. You didn't even press an input half the time.
>FF1 is about the cycle of Samsara being broken through people with faith in the divine
>FF2 and 3 are about people who've become so proud and self-absorbed in their degeneracy that they are unable to accept death.
>FF4 is about how hatred is the opposite of life, not death or the darkness within each human soul, which are in turn completed through love
>FF5 is about how the torch carried by previous generations is kept forever alive through their descendants and those who keep respect in their memory
>FF6 is about how love gives meaning to live, having the power to bloom even in the bleakest of deserts, and endure through even the most powerful of tyrants.
>FF7 is about how the real origin of our creation is rooted in love, and this is where we find our most primordial identity. The esoteric imagery is used so Cloud can affirm his real identity in the love of his friends, and that of Aerith, who went back to the real Promised Land and not the one SHINRA sought to build, solely so she could provide you with supernatural help in saving the planet.
>FF8 is about how the uneasiness of change and death and an uncertain future can be navigated through love, which transcends even time.
>FF9 is a celebration of all the previous themes, an ontological odyssey about the soul's first origin and final end.
>FF10 is about the Fayth entrusting the future to a new generation in the same way a loving parent does.
>FF11, similarly to 9, is a culmination of all previous themes, framed in an apparent eastern dualism that ultimately comes back at these dual principles of creation not being antagonistic, but a romance that keeps reality in motion. It's distilled kino of the highest kind that's concerned about the problem of evil.
>20 years later, FF16 is about how obedience and discipline and not giving in to your base urges is bad and self-absorbed humanity is better off creating a world by themselves.
Of course WoWgays turned into XIV degenerates would love this game, and only them.
of course one of them's a fricking sharty teen lmao
Possible effortpost ruined by being a shartyshitter.
Honestly, I'd rather play this than XVI
And it's F2P!
Has it launched yet?
No, but seems like it may launch soon. Like a month or two.
I will play waifu dress up simulator
>Literal autobattler
Ganker is so unserious.
>game has an option you can choose to never use
>"AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH! IM GAY!!!!"
Don't you ever post again.
It's a mobile game that literally had grind stages in it's CBT iirc so no it's not if you choose to you will use the auto at some point. If you want to play the original games in Ever Crisis you'd be better off buying them since the gameplay would be unironically better.
Or. I can pay $100 in the in-game cash shop and make you seethe.
K.
Yea, I bet you'll learn to cope now before you open your mouth and talk to ME.
ff16 unchanged would have sold 10 million had it been multiplat with a switch version
combat system has 0 to do with it, persona 5 is the only notable turnbased game that sold well since dq11 and thats purely because of its setting and style
>13% of ps5 playerbase including the demo
>13% of ps5 playerbase including the demo
>13% of ps5 playerbase including the demo
>13% of ps5 playerbase including the demo
>with a switch version
tendies came here too lol. Imagine one game making
>turn based gays
>PCgays
>Tendies
>Barry
>Bear's Gayte gays
>Pikmin gays
>Gankerermin in general
Seethe so much. I only saw positive reaction to it in stylish action game threads. How can one game be so powerful?
Oh so it's not the "barry" samegayging anymore?
Good we are making progress then.
Next step: realize that you aren't a woman.
I'm not an XIVgay mentally ill moron. I like DMC, I like XVI, simple as.
>FOTM
Ask if these homosexuals played the previous games. Ask if these homosexuals ever played another Turn Based game.
It's just FOMO for the new meme FOTM.
I'm so done with this shit.
What is it that made Square Enix think no one wanted turn based anymore anyway? All their turn based games were blockbusters and the moment they decided to switch things up sales and positive reception began plummeting.
Octopath not selling well probably. Same with BD.
they took very bad lessons from ff13 failure
after the PS3/360 generation, japanese games were in a huge crisis. japanese devs fell behind and western RPGs became dominant with games like fallout or mass effect. all of these games were action based. many japanese devs thought they had to emulate western games to keep up, and to move away from turn based and weeb aesthetics specifically.
all of this changed of course with the magical year of 2017, when we got persona 5, Yakuza 0, Botw, nier automata and dragon quest xi. but before 2017, japanese games were dead.
MHW was also a big turning point
see
This thread is really schizophrenic
Quit projecting Yoshitter.
welcome to the final fantasy fanbase
I wish I could talk about games I like in peace, but I’ll be honest, watching the shit show is enjoyable as well. I do feel bad for FF fans though.
as someone that loves these games I am very glad I never participated much in the fanbase. it's probably got the most autistic infighting over entries out of an other game series out there. i guess souls comes close?
I never got into the souls series but from what I heard they play rather similarly to each other, so I can believe the arguing over entries is really bad. This kind of stuff is always over stuff that doesn’t matter. I always find it’s really bad in fandoms where nothing much changes between entries, like pokemon. At the very least this is about the genre if the game, but if I’m being honest I’m starting to think it’s actually about the directors who made the game.
there are some very special people that are upset at the guy who directed FF14 specifically, that is a whole different rabbit hole of MMOhomosexualry outside of the FF fanbase.
>a fricking PC CRPG released in current year outsold a mainline FF release
Is society finally starting to heal?
Are people actually coping so hard and saying no one thinks FFX and P5 have good gameplay? That no one enjoys the gameplay in those? They've always been praised for gameplay.
I can't believe /v attacks FFXVI every single time despite it's attitude towards other israelited, degenerate games.
>You don't want to play as white, straight handsome guy with his loyal companions?
>No? Okay, we have to understand our zoomer consumers and make next game full of Black folk.
>/v being surprised
You're responsible for current state of gaming with shilling for most degenerate titles produced by western studios.
>the troony now tries /misc/ tier logic as his last resort.
Doesn't ff16 have gays?
>Avoiding gay nonsense you have to deliberately go looking for is worse than being forced to watch pic related while Yoshida gives you 20 hours of r/atheism ranting!
Truly moronic.
Yes, gay propaganda is so /based/!!! Definitly not another "israelited degenerate game"!
/pol is full of Black folk like all of you here in this thread dear brownies.
FFXVI have one kiss between the dominant and his servant which is crucial to story and after that his "lover" gets forgotten in the story.
>FFXVI have one kiss between the dominant and his servant which is crucial to story and after that his "lover" gets forgotten in the story.
Ooooh, that's okay then, it's a /misc/ aproved game!
Bear sex good.
Hetero sex bad.
Black person woman protagonist good(Larian's choice, literally).
White man protagonist bad.
Get in with the times old man.
Posting in a Barry meltdown thread
I liked XVI, but I can't help but feel like it felt more like a spin-off than a mainline game.
Also 7R was both a better RPG and a better action game.
>a better action game.
7R
-No way to deal reliable damage without spamming ATB abilities
-No combo meter
-One weapon style
XVI improves on many aspects VIIR fails miserably such as
-Air combat is now doable as a melee thanks to O button abilities or X+Square
-Every projectile is actually dodgeable unlike unreliable dodge of VIIR
-Jump button
-Enemy step or Garuda's O which makes you keep enemies at air longer rather than being forced to back down
-Fixes shitty normal attack damage with giving you limit break almost all the time
>No way to deal reliable damage
Bro, they explain breaking enemies like 10 seconds into the game...
Breaking then spamming ATB abilities, XVI also has this issue and people shit on it despite praising VIIR to heavens. VIIR has the issue of consumables or healing spells taking an ATB meter issue on top of it. Hard mode also disables items which means you won't be able to use your ATB abilities for big damage since you need them for healing. It's an """action""" game that punishes you for using action game moves lol. It's in no ways better than XVI. Clive's base moveset without any abilities mogs the shit out of VIIR by a long shot.
>XVI's combat relies around a literal MMO rotation dude
So does VIIR moron. Rotation based is better in fact since it doesn't punish you for playing the way it's intended. VIIR is one of the most boring """"action"""" games that can be played on hard mode. It doesn't even have a proper aerial combat.
>Larry defending literal MMO "gameplay".
>MMO gameplay
Give me an MMO that plays like Nero.
>still trying to force the Larry meme
you really are all the same group of dudes spamming these threads huh
what the frick is "reliable damage"?
XVI's combat relies around a literal MMO rotation dude
I hate VII:R too , but the combat is better hands down. There's no comparison.
>everyone who doesn't like my troony subversive game is Barry
how many billion pcs are there? what a cute attach rate
How the frick is Bartholomeow still fricking melting down? Doesn't he have video games to play or something? Genuinely, what is wrong with him? I heard he loves XV. Just go and replay that, or something.
Anons, how do you rate?
Not femboy enough.
>drow rogue
wow so cool
WRONG POST FRICK
>animation jitters
Did they intentionally do that for Nostalgia? Kinda cool tbh.
turns out there are far more furries and degens than we knew. A sad day for normality and tradition.
Soul.
mega soul
>a bunch of morons trapped in a pissing contest over a consumer product they had no involvement in creating and some guy just dumping mobile game webms for no real reason
you guys ever think this place sucks
>Baldur's Gate 3 hits 469k concurrent and has already outsold XVI
kek lol is OP moronic?
I'm interested in it but I didn't enjoy Original Sin 2 even though by all accounts I should have. Anyone who didn't care for OS2 have thoughts on the game so far?
My only problem with Original Sin 2 is that it assumes too much of the player. As in, it assumes you already played D:OS1 and does nothing to drag you into it.
It's just like hey, play this sequel, and that's it.
Reminder that if you don't like XIV or XVI, you don't like Final Fantasy.
Reminder that youre gay
No way he said that
Kitase also talked about an FPS FF game
Because they're actually making it.
Gay AND inbred.
Well we have something in common then
T-this can't be real. He was told to say this right? Did he lose a bet? He was joking yes? Some kind of Japanese prank show?
He wouldn't embarrassed himself and his family lineage like this would he?
I want you to read what you posted out loud, include the stutter and inflection of all those questions
https://vocaroo.com/15yM5q6q2Rfy
Kitase literally said the same thing like a week prior, they're just saying that FF isn't beholden to TB combat that's pretty much the beginning and end of it.
He's not actually wrong, if you took the premise of Modern Warfare it's the closest thing to FF in a non fantasy setting
the cold truth is that rpg fans live on pc, meanwhile the console casul playerbase primarily plays fps, racing games, sports games, fighting games - you get the picture
But FF16 isn't a RPG
people see what they want to see, i agree it is not. PC gamers trend older than console gamers too, and people in their 30s still remember when final fantasy was the undisputed rpgod. When it hits pc, and then when that first sale, a pc phenomenon[/hits] hits, it will sell a lot more than it could with the ps5 playerbase
Going to be funny to see the ff16 sales on steam for sure lmao
Listening to the OST atm, I only like "Into The Mire" in disc 1...
I mean...I'm just playing both, why do you have to be so mentally ill about sales? XVI was great, and now Im having fun with BG3
Why do you abos have to make ot more complicated?
it's not about the games it's about the moronic FFXVI producer and his cult fanbase's comments before launch coming back to haunt them
see:
>cult
My man you are the one who holds an archive of every single public appearance of this man and makes threads every single day about this guy. You are obsessed as shit
FF16's gay kiss scene is presented in a romantic and respectful way.
BG3's bear sex scene is downright disgusting.
I don't think XVI was entirely Yoshi's idea. Squeenex corporate is incredibly bad at making decisions that make them money, like PS5 and EGS Exclusivity. While I don't think he wanted to make XVI turnbased, I sincerely doubt he'd shut it down outright if suits higher up didn't think turnbased was dead and make him do it.
even if it wasn't I doubt they forced him to make these moronic ass comments like "young people only like gta... they dont like turn based because they expect the guy to shoot when they press a button"
this guy is genuinely fricking stupid. zoomers
play mobile. mobile games are turn based. FGO probably made more money than FFXVI ever will. honkai rail might make more money than all of SE.
how a guy like this managed to get promoted so much is beyond me
Because he saved XIV and XIV made more money than XV and XVI ever will with a budget of a shoestring. He is singlehandedly carrying the anchor that is the board.
Why gays are always ugly in games and movies? why not give the role to Baras and bears? you know the real gay...
Honkai Star Rail, Persona 5 and now Baldurs Gate 3 all have done successfully well. I've been saying since late 2000s well into 2020s now that people love turn based, the ADHD morons are extremely vocal spergs about hating it
We have reached a point where a F2P and a Persona title are better RPGs than Final Fantasy...
What went so wrong. Are we in the failed timeline?
Not only that, fricking F2p GACHA is better than any FF game since like 2006. Jesus Christ. I hate Square Enix with a passion and Yoshi Piss is a curse because hes overpraised to the point of his ego being massive and hes able to do whatever he wants. He has completely shit views on the series and where its going.
Why does FF16 specifically make Ganker so brain rotted? like the majority of these posts about yoshida is literal fanfiction you Black folk made up in your heads
It’s one guy
it's a community now actually, for a fun time look into "trancers" on /vg/s archive some time. very cute lil discord.
just because people don't like a game that doesn't make them obsessed or brain rotted
If you can't understand why fans of a series would be mad that it suddenly switches the entire genre out to "widen the demographics" and follow trends, idk what to tell you other than I don't believe you. You do understand.
I'm just here to rub it in peoples faces after they spent literal months quoting Yoship about how turn based barely has an audience.
yoshida isn't reading these you are probably thinking about maybe 4 dudes that did that
you're shitting up the board over the possibility you might bother some guy that doesn't know you
>yoshida isn't reading these
Yeah he reads the jap comments.
And he cries over those lol
in one ear and out the other
this place is making you dumber
>this place is making you dumber
That's nice. I didn't make that up btw. He really did whine over jap comments that were being mean to him.
i do not care, please continue shitting up the board to spite some phantom that hurt your feelings
You're making up arguments in your head again.
i am sure you know all about that
Of course, I'm reading your meltdown.
You're arguing with an ESL. He'll defend YoshiP until the bitter end.
I dont give a single frick how yoship reacts. I care that he was used as ammo to somehow prove that turn based was in any way dying in the modern vidya landscape.
Because the bad MMO man worked on XVI and maybe if shitpost hard enough he'll get fired and then XIV will get shut down and WoW will return to it's former glory and then Square will totally go back to making turn based games haha
ESL troon, what a surprise
Anyone know if the Pixel Remaster has any sales numbers out there?
Would be interesting to compare the two.
It's honestly baffling how FFXVI learned NOTHING from The Witcher 3.
i wasn't aware XVI had randomized combat animations too
Funny, but no.
>Both games have defined characters, but you can customise Geralt's appearance and choose his dialogue
>Both characters have a defined playstyle but Geralt can choose to specialise in alchemy, bombs, magic or sword. Meanwhile Clive in only choose which colour particle effect he uses because the game has no elemental weakness at all
>Both games have crafting. The gear you craft in TW3 enhanced whatever build you're playing and has set bonuses. Crafted gear in FFXVI are just stat sticks
>Both games have you hunt monsters. The Witcher 3 tries to at least tie some sort of narrative to their monster hunts. FFXVI monster hunts are just killing random mobs in the open-world with no story
>Witcher 3 has various side activities to do in the open-world, each having a story tied to them, FFXVI has none
>Witcher 3 has good side quests, FFXVI has shit, MMO-tier side quests
>Turns into generic JRPG trash halfway through
Dude is a schizo
>Meanwhile Clive in only choose which colour particle effect he uses
At least pretend you played the game
>Phoenix/Shiva
Dodge
>Titan
Block
>Garuda
Grapple
>Odin/Bahamut
Big dick damage
>Ramuh
Ranged and stun
They all change how you approach combat more than Witcher 3's RPG elements in the first place.
No they don't, the plays the almost the same regardless. Especially since every real fight amounts to
>build stagger
>stagger enemy
>Press all your abilities of CD
Its incredibly stale. Builds in the Witcher 3 influence gameplay much more than eikons in FFXVI
>No they don't, the plays the almost the same regardless
How the frick? Here is what noob setup looks like
>Phoenix because they need shift to close the gap
>Titan because it's easy to parry with it and deal a good amounts of damage to the enemy
>Bahamut because they like to spam megaflare
Here's what pro setup looks like
>Garuda, no need for phoenix shift because Clive's sting... ehem lunge works the same way and deals damage, Garuda is great for closing the gap and more importantly staying at air longer
>Shiva because Cold Snap is the better dodge which greatly rewards players with good reflexes
>Odin because Zanzetsuken is better than waiting for Megaflare
XVI's build "variety" comes from players' own skills and understanding of the game. Not some RPG numbers that don't really change how you play. I played Witcher 3 like twice and only difference was I had to make some oils before the hunts as an alchemist.
>using Odin
you didn't beat the game
>Garuda is great for closing the gap
That literally only works on fodder enemies.
If you use that on any larger enemy you'll just fly up into the air.
>If you use that on any larger enemy you'll just fly up into the air.
Yep, escaped from charging trolls that way.
Is the perfect dodge timing for the shiva dodge different from the default dodge? I have no problems with getting the timing right using the default dodge, but with the shiva dodge I can't get a perfect dodge nearly as much.
And guess what, all of that is irrelevant, because the game is piss easy, Doesn't matter how minute differences there are between the eikons, the game isn't challenging enough to encourage to learn and use them power correctly. And I sure as shit am not replaying a game with no customisation, shit open-field sections and a completely linear story just to get somewhat of a challenge.
Builds in the TW3 are instantly distinctive from one another, because whatever you don't invest in falls off hard as you level. Didn't put any points into Aard? Good look ever knocking down an enemy again. No Igni, almost no burn proc, no burn stagger. Not to mention you lose access to all their hold abilities. Alchemy meanwhile allows you to enhance decoctions and drink more of them, greatly boosting your stats. And all of these were further enhanced in Hearts of Stone, which allow you to add unique modifiers to your weapons and armour. Blood and Wine added mutations and which made the distinction between builds even greater. The fact that FFXVI learned nothing from the TW3 or any prior RPGs for that matter, is just embarrassing
>because the game is piss easy
>implying witcher 3 is hard unless you play on hardest difficulty
No, but that's the thing, even if the Witcher 3 isn't that hard, the differences between each playstyle still clearly comes through
See
Another guy played extremely different than me. I never used Gauge or Rising Flames/Cyclone for example. For me it was
Shiva
>Ice Age/Lightning Rod
Garuda
>Wicked Wheel/Ignition
Odin
>Dancing Steel/Gigaflare
Bro, this is just sad. Even mastering abilities doesn't reward you with anything cool. It just lets you use said ability on a different eikon. And again, the combat is so easy that you can just use whatever you want, regardless of the enemy you're fighting. Nothing like killing a flame lizard with ifrit powers
>Even mastering abilities doesn't reward you with anything cool
Mastering gameplay rewards you with sick clips you can post on Ganker or youtube instead. Which is better than arbitrary RPG mechanics supposedly changing how you play the game.
Nobody is posting FFXVI gameplay clips anywhere, not even donguri could make FFXVI's combat look interesting.
Beat FF mode with
>Phoenix
>Rising Flames + Scarlet Cyclone
Both have short CD, and deal reasonable damage for said CD. Scarlet Cyclone is also a very good crowd control.
>Garuda
>Gauge + Wicked Wheel
Again both have pretty short CD and both are really good will breakers, and does well as crowd control too.
>Shiva
>Gigaflare + Impulse
Extremely strong focused damage and will breaker that can hit multiple enemies if you line it up right, with a surprisingly short CD, and Impulse will deal good damage and high will break, no matter what the boss is currently doing, and also has a short CD, and literally stunlocks fodder enemies.
Never had to change anything about that setup, and it worked swell on everything.
>thinking a garbage trend-chaser development division is capable of learning something from the stuff they copy.
It's XIV being a WoW clone all over again.
>thinking a garbage trend-chaser development division is capable of learning something from the stuff they copy.
Weird how they missed the openworld trend
B-but the nude sex scene (felt like it was made by incels, it was so akward)
BG3 has nothing to do with FF's issues.
FF killed itself WAY before BG3 was a twinkle in WotC's eye and sperm in Laruen's ballsack.
The last good FF was 12. 13 was shit. 13-2 less shit but still shit. 13-3 was mediocre shit. 15 was a travesty of a devhell design.
16 shot itself in the foot with a PS5 exclusive contract, but the damage to the brand was extensive.
Square is fricking lucky that 14 didn't stumble as bad as it did as they pulled it and redesigned.
Believe it or not. XIV1.0-ARR is actually what killed Final Fantasy.
In its struggle to save XIV, Square Killed every other project and diverted funds to ARR. Killing Versus XIII, delaying KHIII, and forcing XIII-2 and XIII-3 into development using their expensive Luminous engine.
XIV lived, so that others would die.
Tragic.
they bought the hype next week it will be 20k
yoshit piss really thought the FF14 players would flock over
make DQ into the primary square franchise by introducing choice and consequences and character creation.
give yoko taro the team that made ffxvi combat so he can make more games with actual good story.
send Yoshida to troony MMO hell
Nomura has to be confined to KH
make kawazu or Matsuno in charge of FF proper
Why would you want to shackle Kawazu back to the FF cuckshed when he's near retirement and SaGa's finally back after nearly two decades of no budget hell?
He already saw how FF was going south in 1988 and left there and then, why in the world would you take his child away from him and force him to work on something he has no love for? He already hated when they forced him to keep Vaan and all the original plans from Matsuno for FF12 despite calling him to salvage the project, leave the old man alone, let him do what he loves, let him work for his actual fans.
I want him to be in charge of a big studio so he can train some new staff to carry on his vision, finally we might get some new and interesting games from square
He's already training new people, he has his own personal team that is also pretty much self sufficient so he's not gonna be bothered by the higher ups, just wait for TGS so he can show the new game.
I rather him than yoshida or nomura
FF16 is a good game and no matter how many times you make these threads, it won't stop being a good game.
Dreamboum lives in a fricking bubble of yoshiP cultists its insane
I occasionally skim the resetera ff16 spoiler thread and constantly see people will shit on the story and writing, then Dreamboum will come in make a post with some sweeping grand statement in damage control against all the negativity and go ignored as more people shit on the writing, its funny because every time that happens he'll flock back to his twitter and make moronic posts like that pic as if he's "countering" any negative sentiment towards the game and like he's fishing for positive reinforcement, he's lucky he has a few thousands twitter followers (all entirely ff14 gays from his time endlessly shilling ff14), he's such an insecure gay he is the only person I've ever seen retweeting random ff16 fanart and then I look and see on resetera that Dreamboum made a fricking ff16 fanart dump thread and constantly bumps it, the gay is so desperate to prove 16 is loved or good and will never address any criticism, he already decided the game was a 10/10 before it even fricking released or was even announced because we knew CBU3 and Yoshi-P was making FF16 for years.
Literally who are you talking about.
Barry's thinking about his twitter BF again don't mind him, probably about to go check out /gif/ soon.
His twitter boyfriend
I genuinely did not expect this to be the response to my post but okay. I don't know who the frick you are talking about.
Barry keep winning
Barry winning would require XV to be good, so that'll never happen.
Barry lost. YoshiP cultists lost.
Matsunogays won. DQgays won.
SaGagays we don't know yet.
You love to see it, frick Square Enix.
ah there he is
Episode Duscae is better than the final release of the game
>B-B-But XV
Barry really mindfricked you trannies
i just like making him squirm
>muh Final Fantasy roots
Don't care, playing the more relevant turn-based RPG right now
Best song in the OST
Would Square-Enix even be capable of making a Final Fantasy with the depth/scale of a CRPG though?
It's interesting to imagine, because FF has been a streamlined experience even since its inception. Imagine an FF with deep character building, a wide variety of strategies, positioning, complex equipment, intricate worldbuilding, companions with lengthy personal storylines, branching quests, narrative choices, skill checks for dialogue and other interactions, etc etc etc.
There's no way they'd get anywhere close to pulling it off right? It's so anti-Final Fantasy. They'd rather just give more money to the FMV department.
>Would Square-Enix even be capable of making a Final Fantasy with the depth/scale of a CRPG though?
Frick no. They could barely make a McDonalds action game. No fricking way the mainline FF teams could pull off something a with depth.
>Beginning with "Bravely Default," which was released in 2012, the RPG series has sold more than 3 million units in total worldwide shipments and downloads.
>spend 100 million dollars advertising FF16
>it sells barely as well as Bravely Default which received 0 advertising
>turn based is dead
>comparing the sales of three games over 10 years to one games first week sales
lol
I'm starting to think that Moot was right about Australians
do we really have to wait until dragons dogma 2 is out before we can play ffxvi on pc
If you can play DD2, then why the frick would you ever want to play XVI?
I know thats why im puzzled. square enix is ruining their sales with this exclusive bullshit.
THE ONLY REASON you’re upset about FF XVI is because it’s a PS5 exclusive and you’re a PC master blinded homosexual.
That’s it. You have no legitimate criticisms because you can’t play it.
Most obvious Barry thread of all time
Did something specifically happen with XVI today to cause this, because there's also another thread in the catalogue similar to this one.
It's the third best selling game this year only behind Diablo 4 and Zelda.
It's tighter than perfect dodge, you need to practice to master it.
Nothing happened today with XVI you probably won't hear anything news wise about XVI until the XIV crossover some anon is just eager
It's the Famitsu sales thread day
Bauldur's Gate came out today. People have been down of FFXVI because SE's acrobatics to justify PS5 exclusivity have been too moronic to countenance. They should have just said "look, we got paid stacks for this". People would still hate them, but at least it would be honest.
This thread is a mix of Barry's autism but it seems mostly turn based gays getting vocal
Which makes sense
Theyre the ones spat on the fact the most
how many people here do you think are actually playing the new turn based game BG3
this homies just crave drama
You are so new
Remember when dirty Black folk in this board tried to compare that flop-niche-weeaboo-garbage game to mainstream games like ELDEN RING or ZELDA?
Reality check for you flop-niche-weeaboo-garbage gays, your flop game can't even beat BG3.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What an absolute fricking failure.
This is your karma for gloating for a year straight about how your flop-niche-weeaboo-garbage was going to beat mainstream games like Zelda and how it was going to save RPG.
You flop-niche-weeaboo-garbage gays asked for it.
Pathetic flop trash.
You lost Barry
Doomers have the weirdest selective memory. XVI was trashed on relentlessly on Ganker until the demo dropped, then it gained a small groundswell of shill support, before the full game dropped and Ganker trashed on it again over sales data and gay kissing. There are schizos, but I can't honestly remember any broad support or purely positive thread for this game. Basically all of Ganker hates it and has always hated it. Who are they arguing against...?
you see way more people pointing fingers at "cultists" than the actual cultists they're talking about, it's nuts. literally just accusing other people of their own weird ass behavior.
>TOTK 18.5 million in a little over 2 months
Meanwhile, ff16 is still at 3 million in almost 2 months. Lol.
I swear 16 had the worst leg ever for an ff game, even 15 sold an additional 1 million copies in a month
>Meanwhile, ff16 is still at 3 million in almost 2 months
Can't wait for Square's financial report just so tendies can shut the frick up once and for all.
The report is only until the end of June so I think it'll only cover the first week, not what it's at now. meaning we'll get a couple "it didn't sell anything after the first week" posts which will be funny
>Ubislop asset flip does well
This isn't a good thing.
On one system? Holy frick
The most obvious GOTY ever
Words cannot describe how much I hate PC Black folk. They have the audacity to claim that Sony fans are the shit posters on this board when PC Black folk shit up any thread for any game not on PC
Kek final fantasy series getting btfo by a crpg. No wonder Yoshi thinks jrpg is a slur.
He's so stupid.
The issue isnt even the turn based shit.
But yoship legit removed the rpg aspect of FF16. It is just an action game.