Media literacy is just homosexuals way to say "You are too stupid to be as correct as me."
Prove me wrong I fricking dare you
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Media literacy is just homosexuals way to say "You are too stupid to be as correct as me."
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I hate TLOU2, but it is true. Woke trash asode, the dyke realized that she was a hypocrite who killed more people that were personally meaningful to others and she was never happier from doing so. As a result, she moved on and stuck with the people close to her.
Couldve just killed Abby as well
Or atleast given the "player" the choice
would have been better if you had two endings; one that runs normally where you spare her and another where you are punished for killing abby by another rando (seraphite for chud points) for killing them
Ellie was already punished regardless. She lost everything even by sparing them which arguably caused more damage as she bit her fricking finger off. Should have left her there or shot her on the pole
Can't have that. Last of Us 3 will be about only Abby and the trans kid. Can't kill off Druckmann's prized characters that only he wrote.
the game wouldn't have a message then it would just be your power fantasy
The game doesn't have a message. Because anyone with more than 10 IQ can see that this makes zero fricking sense. I've read better revenge bad plots in Scholastic books for children.
It would have just been Moby Dick, except Ahab survives and lives a sad live after. You can have characters take revenge and not have it be a power fantasy. Don’t go complaining about media literacy if you don’t know basics of the trope of revenge and obsession
It doesn't have a message regardless
This is a dogshit take to say videogames can't have the player dictate events with input and not have a coherent message or theme. Why even make it a videogame at that point?
That's a pretty dumb take, the empty hollowness that comes after with finishing your revenge for Ellie could be it's own message.
movie "game" tard needs to be told by writers, when a fellow npc "live" has to be spared
Game has no message regardless you moron
not deep, not good writing, just pure cope
So revenge bad.
so why didn't those people just band together and create a functioning society? "b-but the zombies" you're already organized, just kill the zombies and disable their bodies so they wont get back up.
Yes. she realized this. 10 seconds after Abby took a few of her fingers.
Ellie killed for considerably less. So even if a split second "Oh no. I'm the bad guy" realization hit her. That wouldn't stop any other person in the same situation from putting Abby in a watery tomb.
She realized she would have to kill Lev too and she was just so done at that point she went "ah frick all this" and left.
Joel's dead. Her big nose israelite wife took away her chink child and stinky pussy. Ellie finally realized how pointless it all was and decided to walk away.
She "killed" the thought of revenge in her mind in those small moments and walked away thanks to that character growth.
Consume more media than video games please all video games have baby-tier writing and you homosexuals shouldn't be upsetting yourselves struggling to understand them.
>She realized she would have to kill Lev too
So? She killed 10% of the remaining human population to get to Abby. She probably has more people out for revenge against her to the point one more didn't matter.
>Joel's dead. Her big nose israelite wife took away her chink child and stinky pussy. Ellie finally realized how pointless it all was and decided to walk away.
If nothing matters anymore. Why stop?
>She "killed" the thought of revenge in her mind in those small moments and walked away thanks to that character growth.
I'm sure you too would just stop the violence if some b***h that took what you considered was your only family away from you if they BIT OFF YOU'R FRICKING FINGER.
>Consume more media
Consume different media. You may consume more than me but you very clearly only consume the same regurgitated shit these other fart breathers put out.
Nobody is going to think this way in that moment. She would’ve had this realization laying in the woods somewhere, not in the middle of fighting for her fricking life. It’s shit writing one way or another regardless of what people try to defend about it.
She wasn't fighting for her life anymore at that exact moment. She had won the scuffle and was already actively drowning Abby when she got hit with that flashback of Joel playing his guitar on the porch.
>flashback of Joel playing his guitar on the porch.
even more of a reason to kill the troony.
>TLOU2
>get upper hand in life or death struggle
>have a flashback and epiphany and stop
>any other story and real life
>get upper hand in life or death struggle
>brain: kill kill kill kill kill kill kill
>A fictional story written for drama deviates from reality
Stop the fricking presses
>reading comprehension
Also you mean the fictional story that tries to be “realistic” with its portrayal of people and emotions like everyone including cuckman himself has touted this shit to be?
>Reading comprehension
Maybe you should check up on that if you think that TLOU2 has a monopoly on last minute changes of heart when it comes to protagonists clashing with antagonists.
There's a reason the "If you kill him, you'll be just as bad as him" meme exists. Hint: It's because that trope is really fricking prevalent across all of fiction.
>again reading comprehension
Maybe you should realize that it’s a meme because the trope is moronic, I mean Ellie becomes a monster all on her own through the course of the game one more kill won’t change anything. Not to mention she has nothing left. And like I said the game tries to portray real emotions in situations so having someone be in full monkey mode while fighting and then all of a sudden have a moment of clarity is moronic. It’s like the meme where a hitman is strangling someone and thinks “am I a bad person”? Only this is supposed to be taken seriously.
She stops herself because she realizes the absurdity of her crusade. Killing Abby is quite literally pointless as it will not bring Joel back and it will not make Ellie feel better in any capacity. If anything, it would make her feel worse knowing that by killing Abby, she would be causing Lev pain.
Again, her realizing this at Abby and not the few hundred times before when she killed someone is a convenient handwave, but one that is not uncommon in writing.
>she realizes the absurdity of her crusade
kinda very late for that, hack writer
>Killing the final boss is pointless
Nah
It's winning a video game, it's like reaching final Bowser and then shutting off the game.
>abandons everything including her happy life to go on meaningless revenge crusade
>only realizes revenge bad while in struggle with person who is responsible for everything
>adrenaline doesn’t exist
>blood rages don’t exist
>being overtaken with emotion doesn’t exist
>being able to think clearly when everything up to this point has been emotionally driven moronation does exist and comes out of nowhere
What utter tripe
>Anon discovers dramatic conventions, specifically narrative convenience for the sake of achieving a specific dramatic effect
>yeah bro it’s realistic but it’s also not realistic
Are you enjoying trying to act smug while continuing to have a nice day in the foot?
Again, realism =/= believability
A realistic story would not be about a fictional fungal infection doomsday scenario to begin with.
Oh so now it’s believability? Thanks that makes this easier considering that a person that has gone on a rampage and given up everything wouldn’t just stop after having their target dead to rights on a life o death struggle after having a miraculous flashback and epiphany.
Unless that made for a more dramatic ending to the narrative and drama was what you were after. Do you have any idea about the conventions of writing or are you just spewing horseshit for the sake of getting to say your piece?
Oh so now it’s drama? Seriously why do you keep trying to change what it’s all about? You going from point to point like this doesn’t bode well for your argument and shows you don’t have enough confidence in any one thing so you have to flip flop between looking for anything to grasp onto. And drama for the sake of it is always shit, if it has to be forced it’s never good. All her sparing Abbey did was fulfill some moronic checklist for cuckmans perfect revenge bad story which ends up being at best mediocre.
Things happening because they are convenient to furthering the plot in a way that the writer intends it to happens in literally every narrative ever written.
>digging for whatever he can
Convenient, sure, well written? Absolutely. And good writers can have stories where things aren’t just forced to hell. They exist you should look them up.
Lord of the Rings is widely considered to be one of the better written fictional narratives out there and it is full of (often downright nonsensical) contrivances for the sole sake of furthering the plot in a suitably dramatic fashion. You are really not making such a salient point as you think you are.
You mean a fantasy story with magic, elves, and hobbits? Also you mind giving an example?
Gandalf's "death" in the way that it happens is completely unnecessary except for setting up his triumphant return later. There is no real reason he would have had to stop to battle the Balrog at the bridge of Khazad-dûm except to present the reader with a more dramatic mental image.
With your logic, Gandalf should just have been dragged into the depths as the fellowship fled, with no last stand at the bridge because that is contrived drama.
No, Because Gandalf and the Balrog have a similar level of power due the fact that both of them are Maiar, this is explained in the Silmarillion.
Power does not play into it. I said he had no good REASON to stop and fight in the way that he did. The fellowship would have made it out of the mines regardless and would perhaps even have done so more expediently if he hadn't made a scene and caused everyone to stop and look at him try to solo the balrog.
That scene exists only for the sake of drama, and that's okay.
Considering that the Balrog is a lesser angel and an actual threat I’d say he was right to fight it in order to buy time for the fellowship to flee. See how there’s a reason, and it’s not just forced nonsense to drive the plot forward. See how there is a reason behind it aside from convenience?
There is a reason for Ellie's decision to spare Abby, you just don't like that reason.
>it’s there you just don’t like it
Is this where we are now? Just you giving tit for tat answers in lieu of any actual argument or logic? I’ve given my logic and reasoning and you’ve met it with nothing but whataboutism and deflection.
You mean the fictional story that endlessly tries to be realistic? That same fictional story where the writers themselves say they don’t want to use the word “fun” for their game because they want emphasis on real humanity and emotion? You gonna move the goalposts any farther?
Realism and believability are two different things. TLOU2 does not try to be a realistic story, but it does try to be a believable one. The difference between the two is that a believable story, as the name suggests, is something that the reader/viewer/player could plausibly imagine happening, even if it contains unrealistic elements. A realistic story, on the other hand, adheres to reality as much as it can, often eschewing drama in favor of authenticity.
TLOU does not do this. It embraces drama.
>believable
>small woman murders thousands of grown man
lmao
>What are firearms
Next you're going to refer to all of the melee kills, only further showcasing that you do not understand the difference between realistic and believable.
a woman would be instantly dead and killed and raped
that would be believable.
>but but she shot a few
women are incompetent, she may be able to shoot one, and then she would get killed.
Because she is an inferior being.
Okay incel
incels do not exist.
anyone can afford a prostitute, because prostitutes are cheap.
and there is also rape for the cheap ones.
>believable
>they send out pregnant women into combat scenarios
lmao
>believable
>women stronk
lmao
Don’t ask questions. Just
>Consume more media
And get excited for
>more media
Lmao, it would be a thousand times better if the realized this after finally killing Abby and then realizing she doesn't feel fulfilled or whatever bullshit they wanted to write about.
She letting her nemesis go just leaves the entire arc without a satisfying conclusion.
>inb4 it's not meant to be satisfying
Yeah, because it's shit.
I haven't played the game but I am judging it because cuckmann is a homosexual.
>"No. I'm not like you." said the 'hero', lowering their gun after having killed every henchman leading up to the the boss
>"No. I forgive myself, and my friend that you had killed, also." said the 'hero', lowering their gun after having killed every henchman leading up to the the boss
Which one is supposed to be the non-moronic one?
>REVENGE BAD
>THOSE DOGS HAD NAMES, Y U KILL DEM?
>KILLING BAD!
Yeah. People are too dense to understand the Abby moment is Ellie's "Joel and the Fireflies" moment
>troony murdered the man that took my virginity
>kill 1000 people
>reach the end boss
>oh wait, snap, I killed 1000 people, better stop now
lmao
what hack writer wrote this?
yes those are the reasons for why revenge is bad
revenge is based
someone tries to hurt you, and you murder them and their whole leftist family
That will make you feel good.
>the story isn't "revenge bad", its actually "revenge bad"
>no you see it's not X it's all those things that imply X
ah at last i truly see
lmao tlou2 cucks are delusional
oh and btw tlou1 barely manages to be mediocre
>Kill hundreds upon hundreds of people
>Get to the one person you're actually trying to kill
>"No, wait..."
>"Killing is...Le wrong..."
People have been making fun of this exact plot in dozens of other games, movies, books, etc.
Just because a movie game with ugly lesbians does it doesn't make it good.
Man, think how refreshing it would be if Abby instead wouldn’t just let her walk away without a fight to the death to honor all the death on both sides.
imagine all those nameless grunts and not so nameless dogs that died on her way
must be disappointing to be that dog
Wasn't one of the game's selling points that enemies would call out their fallen mates' names?
Imagine if TLoU2 was an actual game where you could influence the story
Like, what if the stealth mechanic they introduced actually had a fricking purpose and you could avoid killing certain people
And your kill counts as Ellie and Abby could affect certain story points, almost like a video game
Way too complicated for this pretentious dev, but fricking imagine.
A game influenced by your choices to take the easy route and kill enemies; or take the high road, the hard road, and use stealth to bypass enemies. Imagine!
Too bad such technology is impossible.
MGS3 already did that.
Sorry, not that kind of game, the first one didn't have that, and neither should the second
Yeah but have you considered that you're a biggot for criticizing this masterpiece made by proud IDF brothers?
it's the inverse
Dr. Evil: "I will totally kill you, but now I will walk away, and won't just shoot you"
Just look at that gollywog jiggaboo porch monkey Black person in it's profile picture. It has nothing to say worth listening to. It would be like valuing the opinions of an animal on human thought. It's genuinely silly and I can't take it seriously.
are you joking or moronic, it's that ugly character from Like a Dragon
don't you dare disrespect Ichiban Kasuga like that again
Hey, don't you dare mock Ichiban like that!! I'll fricking cut your balls off with my Thrallmaster’s Axe!
>forgave Joel and herself
>somehow that makes it OK for the troony to kill her "father"
Media literacy means "my headcanon is the only canon and you're stupid if you don't agree with me"
This
Also this is the type of content people who call you media illiterate consume and believe to be smart analysis
>if you kill your enemy they win
twitter troony media literacy shining through. where'd you learn your literary analysis from, some fat homosexual with a neckbeard who talks about icarly all day? you'd have to be the biggest autist in the world to somehow miss tlou2's theme of cyclical revenge. and yes, ellie lets abby go, she lost her family and can't play guitar anymore. revenge bad
Blame academia. Degrees only teach people to pontificate and circlejerk eachother without achieving anything of note. isopropyl trimethyl methane
i wish i was intellectualist
Listen, I'm going to be deadass with you; TLoU 2 didn't need to be made, and I'm perfectly fine headcanon'ing that Joel and Ellie went on living as nomads moving from place to place throughout their lives after TLoU 1.
I don't care about TLoU 2, and I'm not going to buy TLoU 2 either.
Would have loved a lou2 where Ellie is older leaves for a while and meets Joel somewhere else in another town because he can't stay still.
what's the difference between those two things? How is "learning to forgive" different from "living for revenge is pointless"?
look out for anyone who uses the words "media literacy" online. their idea of being "media literate" is watching mrenter videos on my little pony. they have no idea how to read into anything past surface level because they are all autistic morons
now that I think about it you might be onto something
Ah yes, Nick #ConsumingSlopIsMyEntirePersonality, the pinnacle of literacy and factual opinions!
>spend the whole game being a one woman genocide
>no dog or pregnant woman safe
But atleast she forgave herself in the end.
the part that annoyed me the most is when towards the end she has a big panic attack and instead of showing the toll that killing innumerable lives has taken on her it's all about Joel. She's killed a pregnant woman and forgot about it in 5 minutes, but I'm supposed to empathize with this psychotic b***h because she has le ptsd about losing one friend? Not even a fleeting moment of introspection about the pain she's caused to others, a self-centered c**t all the way to the end. Then she finds her target CRUCIFIED along with a little boy, and with zero pity she threatens the poor kid and forces a severely weakened Abby to fight her barehanded while she wields a knife because reasons. They fight a bit and only THEN she suddenly decides that she's actually le ok with not killing her. Abby should have fricking bashed her skull in, now that would have been a decent ending at least.
The seraphites were all psychotic murderers who instantly tried to kill anyone they saw
Abby was part of the WLFs, but they were also a bunch of killers without distinction so it doesn't really matter
>to fight her barehanded while she wields a knife because reasons
Because she wanted to kill Abby. Are you fricking moronic?
then just kill her while she's on the goddamn cross? Pull her down and immediately slit her throat?
Abby spent the game beating her ass, she wanted to actually beat her for once while giving her at least a small ability to defend herself
ok that's at least kinda understandable
No. No it doesn't. That just kinda gives Ellie even more reason to just straight up kill her. Killed her not-dad, Shot other people she knew, beat the shit out of her, and opening mocked her with having the same relationship she had with Joel with some random trans kid. Then at the last second. Bit her fricking finger off. Nobody ever at all would just say "frick it. I'm good. I'm out"
Gandhi would have snapped that b***hes neck.
NOBODY WOULD KILL HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND THEN JUST WELP GUESS I FORGIVE THE ULTIMATE VILLAIN FOR NO REASON TRALALALA
It's like Playing an RPG where the story let you go on murdering streak of killing every NPC and vilain henchmen on the world then it forces you to give up on the final boss battle and let the big bad guy go because you're better than him
I was done this this game when his brother gave away their identities to a giant gorilla women because it was a convenient plot device and they because they were "Changed" men. That and the cringe with the girls having lesbian sex after finding a giant secret weed stash room left by a mixed raced couple. This is the kind of cringe shit you would see on the Babylon bee not in real life. Every other story beat is like this and combined with dumb horror movie level Final girl trips for no reason shit it's a fricking train wreck of a story and it always was.
>I was done this this game when his brother gave away their identities
you mean their names?
>having lesbian sex after finding a giant secret weed stash room left by a mixed raced couple.
Lol wtf? And I thought the scene where the israeli girl lectures you about the holocaust was too on-the-nose lol
>the scene where the israeli girl lectures you about the holocaust
You're joking, right?
Lol, does anything surprise you coming from a game that has an unironic "bigot sandwich" scene? Despite the memes about Abbey being a troony, there is an actual troony in the game (levi) for some """reason"""
It's like the creators went to an AI and told it to spit out a story with as many leftoid cliches as possible
>lesbian sex is bad now
okay homo
The Fast of Us
>media literacy
what exactly does this mean besides "you disagree with my take because you're too stupid to understand it"?
They’re trying to say people criticising the story don’t actually understand it but people do understand it and think it’s moronic.
these types of people make art so fricking boring.
Why did you pretend you didnt understand the term, only to explain it within your question?
I was trying to ask if there is something I'm missing besides the obvious. glad to know I'm on the money.
Oh alright. Stop being a disingenuous homosexual next time and just say what you mean.
If you re-read what I said, I wasn't being disingenuous. I essentially asked if I'm missing something.
I kind of agree but it probably can't just mean that if used in the way OP uses it. Even a child can understand and interpret most stories, but you wouldn't say a child is "media literate"
It means to express that you misunderstood the story and you dislike YOUR misunderstanding of it. It sometimes can be valid, it's like imagine shipping two characters and then being mad that ship didn't set sail and in fact the characters weren't even gay to begin with and claiming it's why the game is bad. But nowadays as more and more youtubers keep using it, it became just calling people stupid with extra steps and comes across as if it's impossible to understand something and not like it too.
It means being able to interpret and understand stories.
You know this, I know this, and I know you know this.
It’s just another buzzword spouted by leftoid troons that means “I’m smarter than you”. You can safely ignore anyone that uses it in a discussion. You can also assume that they don’t have their wieners anymore and that they will never be women.
So you know how if you go back and watch the movie 300 you can clearly see that it's a post-9/11 movie for it's monstrous depiction of the Middle Eastern Persians, the uselessness of the anti-war senators and it's effort to spin the Spartan army as brave freedom fighters?
That's media literacy.
I you're reaching a bit too much
I'm really not, the original comic that 300 was adapted from was written by Frank Miller. To give you an idea of where Frank was at the time, he also wrote a series called Holy Terror where a a vigilante fights terrorist and I think the suit he's wearing was made out of pig skin? I remember that being part of the controversy at the time.
>"not to put too fine a point on it, a piece of propaganda... Superman punched out Hitler. So did Captain America. That's one of the things they're there for."[1]
>So you know how if you go back and watch the movie 300 you can clearly see that it's a post-9/11 movie for it's monstrous depiction of the Middle Eastern Persians, the uselessness of the anti-war senators and it's effort to spin the Spartan army as brave freedom fighters?
Ohh, I get it, so it's making up headcannon. 300 is based on a comic book that came out 3 years before 9/11
Yeah and the movie came out in 2006, five years after 9/11.
That's literally all it means. They're just saying "i know more than you"
Media literacy involves the ability to understand subtext that's left unsaid. One example comes from Undertale of all fricking things.
Basically, the preface is that monsters are stuck in a mountain via magic barrier, and the only way to break or escape it involves killing humans who fall inside. After a great tragedy, the king of monsters formally proclaims he's going to destroy humanity and break the barrier, but he only did so in a fit of rage and doesn't actually want to go through with it. Problem is it gave monsters hope, and going back on his word would cause who knows what. The queen is a pacifist and disgusted by this, so she leaves him and becomes a hermit.
In the game, the queen and king eventually reunite, and the queen tears him a new one. The queen points out that he didn't have to wait for humans to drop into the mountain. He only needed to kill one human to escape the barrier himself and then capture and kill the rest to break it; instead, he let monsters continue to suffer in the mountain as humans slowly trickle in. It's not directly said, but the subtext is that she knew the king was 100% aware of this option. She knew he wouldn't do it, because he would never actually follow through with wholesale genocide. In other words, he was obviously hiding behind his proclamation to break the barrier so he didn't have to face his subjects and admit genocide is wrong, and he was willing to murder humans who fell into the mountain to keep up the facade that breaking the barrier is his #1 priority. That's why she's angry at him.
People without media literacy look at the exact same dialogue, also conclude that the queen is angry at the king's cowardice, but they'll think she's angry that the king didn't commit to murder and break the barrier as soon as possible and proceed call her pacifist ass a hypocrite.
tl;dr media illiteracy is absolutely a thing, and by browsing the internet long enough you'll find examples in the weirdest places
I don't disagree with you OP, but wouldn't it make more sense to tell him to prove you wrong by responding to him directly rather than screen shotting his tweet and posting it here?
what kind of mouth breather voluntarily engages in a Twitter exchange with this type of person?
besides, this thread unironically will have better discussion about the topic than a thread on Twitter would.
It's just the reddit version of "filtered". Like it has the exact same "i am smug because i know and you are dumb because you don't but i'm not going to explain it or outline it because i know i don't really know and any attempt to do that will expose me as a moron" connotation. Another version is "lynched" on Ganker
"Low media literacy" is the terminally online variation of "cutscene skipper"
They're basically accusing you of not paying attention to the story. You don't need "media literacy" to understand modern fiction because it exhaustively beats you over the head with its intended message, the only way to miss it is if you're not even seeing it.
That being said, TLoU2 has no depth whatsoever by design. It was explicitly made to be "subversive," in the sense that you're supposed to be upset about it. The director of the game has gone on the record saying he was mad about footage of IDF soldiers being tortured and wanted to create something grimy and cynical to make people feel "universal hatred." It's the ultimate handwave for all of the bad writing in the game, because every criticism on the flow and themes of the story can just be handwaved with "it's supposed to be bad." Stop giving this film school dropout-level garbage attention.
Is tlou2 Ganker version of attack on
Titan?
>Ohh I killed 80 % of the world's population to save my friends even though I was planning to kill the entire world to do so and all that because I was just an idiot
>(You) are a bad person
why are they always like this
It has nothing to do with media literacy, its my canon your canon, ironically shows the poster media iliteracy.
It continues to be shit writing. A good writing would be the game focusing on Abby trying to find Joel, befriending Ellie to get to him and while in the adventure learning about the unending cicle of hatred with the factions and other events, (discovering who her father was and what he tried to do with Ellie) then reaching Jole, beng discovered, entering a fight with Joel, but sparing him because of Ellie.
That would have been kino writing, but not this cuckmam garbage.
dont care about your woke normieslop movie game, kid
It's stupid because she killed hundreds and stopped right before offing the final boss
I feel no sympathy for a character that didn't realize that sooner and killed
>Men
>Women
>Children
>Dogs
>Pregger women
but draws the line at THE person that "made" her do all this shit, the only person she actually wanted to kill, the last person in her journey
Ellie is a moron for not forgiving and seeking revenge instead but also a morons for not finishing it
also
>Muh seraphite
kill her too
yes, imagine mowing down tons of German soldiers, German teenagers
And then you finally reach Hitler, and you go
"oh noes, revenge is le bad, I will stop now and will let Hitler live"
And Hitler would applaud and say
"Tons of dead Germans, well done, those are my favorite"
What I love about this isn't that some troony thought he btfo Ganker by obfuscating the obvious moral message of the game. What I live is that literally took him years to come up with this garbage.
>HOW DARE YOU SAVE ME FROM MURDEROUS DOCTORS WHO HAVE NEVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A VACCINE, AND WANTED TO SACRIFICE ME FOR NO REASON
>I HATE YOU JOEL!
What's worse. She knew he was lying at the end of the first game and completely accepted the outcome. So it makes zero fricking sense why she would suddenly be surprised and agree that he came clean about the whole thing in the sequel.
There was a very clear reason why everyone on the writing team for the first game shot down Druckmann's writing, and a even clearer reason why TLoU2 sucked complete ass in the writing department. Because everything that was written in 2 was what was fricking shot down in 1.
Frickin Imagine if TLoU1 was just 2's Story. Nobody would be fellating that pile of shit and we would have never had a second game.
>She knew he was lying at the end of the first game and completely accepted the outcome.
Headcanon
She straight up asks him if what he said was true in the original. He says yeah. And the game cuts to fricking black on her face. A face clearly telling you she doubts that shit but will accept it. You don't talk to people much do you?
Again, headcanon, funny how you people go pretending that you know so much about what are you talking about when you don't really know jackshit lol
Again. You are terminally only and have never talked to a single fricking soul face to face. You are Autistic and can't figure out what facial expressions mean.
I accept your concension
Now who lacks media literacy?
it was obvious to me as well that she thought "that's bullshit, but i believe it".
There is no way she would unironically believe "yeah, they had other immune people like you so they send us both back", because you'd think she knew she was about to be killed for the vaccine. If she didn't then the fireflies were bullshitting you when they told joel it was "her" choice, which makes them clearly evil.
in the first game it's obvious the fireflies are incompetent evil morons, they were planning to kill joel as well for no goddamn reason and acted like letting him go was a "gift" despite promising him pay
Elllies VA (the same person who played a big role in shaping Ellie’s character) straight up said it herself in an interview after the first game you dumb frick
Oh is that so?
Source now
Here you dumb homosexualbaby; https://www.jason-killingsworth.com/articles/2020/1/6/the-last-of-us-in-depth-developer-post-mortem
Ashley says that's her interpretation of the ending, Bruce (the one you people claim so much that is the real mastermind behind the first game) in that very same interview still remarks how open-ended it is meant to be, and how anybody can still read it different ways whether Ellie knew she was being lied to or not
>Ashley says that's her interpretation of the ending
Which is entirely my point you moron, rest of your post is irrelevant
Since you’re clearly moronic and need to be spoonfed, here’s the exact quote
> Ashley Johnson: It’s funny because that ending, everybody’s interpreted it so differently. In my mind, Joel and Ellie have already gone on this whole journey and Ellie is fully prepared – if finding the cure and getting the cure means dying – then so be it. But finally having a connection and a relationship with somebody, that becomes more important because it’s like, I’ve finally connected with somebody in this world. If your choice is to save me over everybody else in the world then…ok. I trust you now and let’s live life.
>media literacy
These homosexuals have latched on to this phrase and blasted it to the outer stratosphere, jesus christ.
>There's literally 1 joel in the entire country
what do you mean?
There was very little logical reasoning for Abby to kill Joel, to a point where it's easy to imagine she was going around country killing Joels entire time.
>There was very little logical reasoning for Abby to kill Joel
yeah, it's not like he killed her father and her friend-oh wait
>to a point where it's easy to imagine she was going around country killing Joels entire time.
the frick are you talking about?
I think he means that she didn't have enough information to know she was onto the right Joel, but idk maybe someone had already described to her what he looked like
but she did have enough informations. It's literally in the game. She got a lead about Joel being in Jackson from the guy who served in the fireflies with Tommy. She went to jackson and when she met two brothers named Joel and Tommy she knew it's them
Which was contrived to the point of comedy
>how are we gonna sneak into this town of thousands of people and find this guy?
>oh look he just wandered straight into our hideout
BRAVO NEIL
>oh look he just wandered straight into our hideout
that's not how it was in the game but how would you know
Thats exactly how it works. They happen to be on patrol in that area, they happen to run into abby, it happens to be right next to their hideout, a storm happens that suddenly makes them need to seek shelter and the hideout happens to be the only shelter close to them
Its a ridiculous series of coincidences. Why defend it? You just assume anyone who points out the shit writing hasn't played it. I've beaten it multiple times because I liked the combat. You are a homosexual. The writing sucks.
>They happen to be on patrol
that's it. That's the only coincidence.
>in that area
she tracked them but how would you know
>they happen to run into abby
after she tracked them
>it happens to be right next to their hideout
it wasn't right next to their hideout.
>a storm happens that suddenly makes them need to seek shelter and the hideout happens to be the only shelter close to them
abby offered the place. What they were supposed to do?
>Its a ridiculous series of coincidences
only if you know the game from critical drinker's videos
You're a moron
i accept your concession
She didn't know who Tommy and Joel were, she learns it's them ONLY when they give out their names. She wasn't tracking them as tracking implies knowing your target. Hence the joke why Abby kills Joels, which could've been at least salvaged if she got Joel to confess or apologize or anything.
>She didn't know who Tommy and Joel were, she learns it's them ONLY when they give out their names
yes, and? She knew in that moment in your pic. That's why the common criticism about revealing names in the cabin is so moronic because abby already knew them
>She wasn't tracking them as tracking implies knowing your target.
based moron poster. She was tracking whoever was on patrol that day from jackson.
>Hence the joke why Abby kills Joels
what joke is that?
She was "tracking" them based only on their names. She probably killed a Joel or two on their way. And she will keep killing Joels. Frick Joels.
>that's it. That's the only coincidence.
And its a huge one that stretches the limits of believability
Not to mention Joel and Tommy just instantly trust a heavily armed gang hiding right outside of town as if their 25 years of experience hadn't taught them that literally anyone they see has a good chance of trying to kill them. Suddenly Joel forgets all survival instincts so he can serve himself up on a platter, where in the first game he could sniff that shit out a mile away. The writing is just SO bad at every level. Coincidences, retcons and unbelievable characters all so Cuckmann can hamfist his heckin moral quandaries every 5 minutes. Hes just such a terrible 105 IQ writer its no wonder the epitomical midwit thinks its 10 layers deep
>And its a huge one that stretches the limits of believability
not at all. They are often on patrol
>a heavily armed gang
they seemed normally armed for a group of travellers and Joel sees those groups all the time. He even traded and got coffee beans from one such group
>just instantly trust
how do they do that? By revealing names Abby already knew? Or by not going back into the blizzard and zombies?
Imagine if Tommy and Joel just happened to wisen up and gave out fake names, like they are Bimmy and Jimmy. Funniest shit.
why would tommy give out a fake name in that scene? -->
It makes no goddamn sense but once some chudtuber delivers le hot take about a game half of the internet is going to repeat it no matter what
Maybe because it's the post apocalype and he already tainted his name multiple times?
It doesn't help either, just fricking think for a second, Abby came to Jackson County because she heard a tip that Tommy is there. At first glance it seems like a sensible fix, but who did tip her of, Eugene? Who is even alive from Fireflies to know not only that Tommy was there but who the frick is Tommy even, do Fireflies just happen to know each other? It's very contrived from the inception and then just as Abby got the tip that someone named Tommy she has no reason to believe was involved in killing her father, whom she doesn't know and knows him only via association with Joel, those dumbasses walk into THEM.
play a game first then try discussing it
We aren't discussing a game
She literally goes across america based on a rumor from a decade ago from some guy who happened to know tommy for like 2 seconds but tommy of course mentioned literally everything about where he was going, what town he was stopping at and trying to defend, etc just so abby has a lead, the entire game is a joke not mentioning the switcharoo they did with joel and asian man in the trailers/commercials
>She literally goes across america based on a rumor from a decade ago from some guy who happened to know tommy for like 2 seconds but tommy of course mentioned literally everything about where he was going, what town he was stopping at and trying to defend, etc just so abby has a lead, the entire game is a joke not mentioning the switcharoo they did with joel and asian man in the trailers/commercials
you didn't play it
If story wasn't disingenuous, for it to be consistent with itself Ellie should've found Abby 10 years later based on a tip from random guy who heard there is a buff woman walking around killing people with a golf club.
>you live in an area for a long time
>but you still need a map with a big x showing where your home base is, just in case you become moronic
>you live in an area for a long time
literally three days and they made that x on their first day
I like how everyone in this sequel can walk hundreds of miles like its nothing.
what fricking food are they eating for the WEEKS of walking you'd have to do?
How did she know Joel she killed is the Joel that killed her father besides knowing her father's name is Joel and man standing in front of her just happens to be a Joel?
>her father's killer's name
Quick fix.
you literally didn't play a game. I'm talking to a fricking moron who didn't play a game but wants to debate it
>I'm talking to a fricking moron who didn't play a game but wants to debate it
>the frick are you talking about?
Anon's saying that Abbey had little to go on when killing Joel.
How did Abby know it was THAT Joel that killed her """father"""?
>yeah, it's not like he killed her father and her friend-oh wait
Her father was killed while he was in the process of attempting to murder a child. And yet Abby at no point reflects on why her dad was killed, because was a malignant c**t
The most interesting thing the their creative use of language. Maybe it's cause language is the first technology Americans forgot
Chud
Incel
Media illiterate
Gamers
Woke
Racist
Black person
homosexual
Content creator
These words and labels have rhetorical strength either by consensus or if you concede to them
Before words and label had a more defined usage and and its probably eroding in value due to American zoomer illiterate rates
Tryhard
Localizer
Speed runner
Youtuber
Media literacy doesn't mean anything. Being literate means being able to read and write. It's just dipshit speak for "i watched a lot of entertainment" because i guaran-fricking-tee you these idiots aren't watching and analyzing films from a purely technical perspective.
>Comprehension is..... Le bad!
Conservatives everyone
Apparently Nick needs to hear this:
Nobody Fricking Cares
People do realize this, they just say "revenge bad" because they didn't like it.
Why does forgiving herself and Joel mean sparing the psycho b***h that brutally tortured and killed him?
the biggest part of the grieving process is to replace the factual existing person that died with an image of that person in your head. The only thing Ellie had was a pulp of Joel's face. She couldn't properly grieve and move on. When that image was replaced with the porch scene it means she's moving on. She doesn't have an itch to scratch anymore. She also saw herself in the troony kid and a little bit of Joel in Abby (which triggered the flashback). There was no point in killing abby anymore. Also (it's multilayered, sign of the good writing) when ellie was in that cabin when joel was killed she lost control (literally and symbolically). When she's choking Abs she regained that control. She's on top. She doesn't have to actually kill her. It's enough that she CAN DO IT IF SHE WANTS. The game gives you so many reasons for ellie not to kill abby (and i didn't even list everything)
>There was no point in killing abby anymore
Except for the fact that she brutally killed Joel
and what would ellie gain from that? Abby killed joel for brutally killing her father and friends and it didn't help her
>and what would ellie gain from that?
That Abby is fricking dead and can't harm anyone else in the future?
Revenge on the evil nutcase that brutally murdered Joel
Abby probably knew deep down that her dad deserved to die for being a delusional child killer
Watching the steaming blood of your sworn enemy splattered across the snow, trails of vapor rising from where the still hot ichor of the she-ogre spewed evaporating into the air knowing that your father has been avenged. Perhaps the next foe will not be so quick to raise their hand against you and your clan.
>and what would ellie gain from that?
closure
>and it didn't help her
well Joel isn't a troony.
Let's try it with a troony and see if it works out.
In fact first shoot the dog of the troony, and remove the flesh. And then when the troony is crying, then finally put a bullet in his head.
>well Joel isn't a troony
neither is Abby but i don't know why it would mater anyway
he is though.
He got the bone structure of a male.
Bones don't lie.
>saw herself in the troony kid
That should have pissed her off to no end.
"What, You can have your happy life with your surogate family but frick me?" Yeah. no.
I still think the writing in this game is dogshit but this is the most symbolically consistent explanation I've ever seen for it.
Congratulations anon, you wrote a better version of the game that the creators themselves.
TOTAL JOEL DEATH
You know this trash was written by soft skinned city rats that spend their life in safety.
Yes revenge is bad, yes you should forgive your wrong doer(for your own health) but you still kill that mother fricker so that they never do anything like that again. Especially if you went trough so much trouble getting to them
She finally forgave Joel for saving her life so thats why she spares the woman who slaughtered him. This is good writing i am very smart
Leaving the one person alive who's crazy enough to hunt you or a loved one across a post apocalyptic continent is utterly idiotic writing. It doesn't matter what the moronic author is trying to say here.
I hope Druckmann gets AIDS from himself and all the auto-assfricking.
>over three years later
>chuds still filtered
I hate sharing a board with morons
Bottom is actual kino
The plot for 2 was pitched for the 1st game and was shot down because it was a terrible idea. When Druckmann got control he forced them to make his story they shot down the 1st time. Hes a petty little israelite who wrote a hack cliche story and also had to retcon the original story to even make 2s story work at all. It sucked.
>make a terrible story
>other creatives tell you to frick off
>manipulate corporate politics until you get to fire the other creatives
>make your terrible story anyway
>manipulate corporate politics and spend a ton of your parent company's money on a massive PR and astroturfing campaign to trick morons into thinking it's good
>parent company eventually has to accounting gymnastics to make your frick-up look like a success
But enough about Uncharted 4, this is a TLoU2 thread
He also took all the magic shit out of uncharted.
>uncharted 1,2 and 3 had some supernatural twist at the end so you had new enemies to fight
>uncharted 4 was fighting faceless mercs from start to finish.
But if you really think about it, the black woman merc beating two expierenced brawlers at the same time was supernatural.
Objective good vs objective bad will ALWAYS be superior to whatever subverted shades of gray trash you like.
top one: gay and for gays
bottom one: based and cool, lets ride
why the frick is michael there. He is literally the bad guy, all he does is take the other bad guys out cause they wanna kill him
>bottom is filled with literally some of the best fun vidya that everyone rememmbers fondly
>top is written by snobbish morons smelling their own farts while alienating the players
The last of us trannies are illiterate
More literate than you chudcel
The Last of Us trannies are illiterate and always project when cornered
Shut your fricking mouth tourist newbie
*eyes glow red, channels the fighting spirt of Hassan Piker, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL4bls79Ohs begins to play*
You better leave while you still have the chance.
Who?
you're only saying that because you have poor literature literacy
There's a (shitty) case to be made for giving up on killing the dude herself but there is no way to justify saving him from crucifixion
Had she made it there only to see what her target was reduced to and walked away then nowhere near as many would have shit on the game
It’s more about being aware of what any piece of media is trying to do and looking in to it, but this is just some moron spouting off. Most of the criticism I’ve heard for this shit makes sense no matter how you look, since there is no fricking way some mid death match is going to have some kind of epiphany. Especially after abandoning everything and having their fricking finger bitten off. If Neil wasn’t busy sticking his head up his ass and sniffing his own farts he would have realized that.
Honestly the ending should have been either Ellie killing Abby and not feeling better about the Joel thing at all, or Abby escapes while Ellie fricking dies trying to murder her.
It would fit perfectly with the themes and tone of the series, and all It would've taken is the balls to have a main character die in her own game.
Who gives a shit, it's just an shitty zombie game. The game and the TV show are just walking dead tier. Same plot points, same shitty acting. It's all pulp fiction, nothing to be take seriously.
Call it out and shame anyone that takes the story seriously
A shitty Zombie game where the zombies take a back seat to a bad revenge plot that would be outshined by a kindergartener. Being praised by rabid fanboys who haven't played anything outside of Sony movie dogshit and specifically Neil Druckmanns personal online army.
The funniest thing is that that he wanted to do the same shit for the first game, but got tard wrangled out of it.
Can you frickin imagine how the first game would have been received if he got to make it his original plot? Which was just 2s plot.
TLoU1 was widely received in a good light. Then LGBTQ+ SJW bullshit happened in the general public and Neil was put in charge of making the absolutely fricking pointless DLC. Which just makes Ellie gay and adds nothing to the events of the actual game. Recieved well by people drinking the koolaid and hated by anyone with a pulse.
2 comes out and he's allowed to write it all. Story hated by anyone with more than one braincell. Hated because it didn't come with Multiplayer. and semi accepted for a slight upgrade in gameplay. Praised by everyone for it's accessibility options which was the only defining thing it actually had.
Praised by the Word Salad Brigade solely for having a trans kid and lesbians in it.
You are labeled bigot, Idiot, racist, and Anti-sematic for not liking Druckmanns personal wank material.
Druckmann makes CEO, Gets an award to suck off his ego, and then does nothing but rereleases of TLoU for 5 years.
It's all so fricking tiresome.
>and Neil was put in charge of making the absolutely fricking pointless DLC.
he made it together with Bruce Straley
>Recieved well by people drinking the koolaid and hated by anyone with a pulse.
liked by literally everyone
>he made it together with Bruce Straley
Incorrect. He worked on the original game with Bruce. In which Bruce shot down virtually everything stupid Druckmann put forward. Bruce how no part in the DLC.
>liked by literally everyone
The original game yes. The DLC. No.
>Bruce how no part in the DLC.
if only there was a way to verify it in literally 5 seconds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_Us:_Left_Behind
>The original game yes. The DLC. No
leave r/thelastofus2 once in a while
Wrong, Bruce “left” after the the first game came out, this is just some hold over shit from the game itself, he had little to no involvement in this DLC.
if only there was some way to verify it in literally 5 seconds
>On September 13, 2017, Straley announced his departure from Naughty Dog
>he had little to no involvement in this DLC.
literally chud cope. He worked on it just as he did on the game
>TLoU1 was widely received in a good light. Then LGBTQ+ SJW bullshit happened
nice try, that homosexual man was already shown to be a mentally ill homosexual already in the base game
>She finally forgave Joel and herself moments from exacting revange and after killing a small town full of people and animals to get there.
Yeah, it's still moronic.
>Thank you for turning yourself into a mass murderer YOUR OWN SAKE Ellie
Worse than the AoT ending
Yes, finally forgiving joel and herself for... i guess the killing is what makes someone stop attacking, not realizing "violence/revenge bad". Yeahhhhh
Killing Abby would have been satisfying for the player. That's the real reason Ellie spares her. To rob the player of that satisfaction and saving Druckmann's ego after failing miserably to make Abby even slightly sympathetic. If they gave the player the choice to either kill or spare Abby, literally 100% of players would've drowned her ass.
>If they gave the player the choice to either kill or spare Abby, literally 100% of players would've drowned her ass.
screencap your post and come back to Ganker once you buy yourself ps4 or PS5 and finally play the game
>No argument
Why make arguments and prove someone's "media illiteracy" when you can pretend no one else except for you plays video games. Anon is clearly ahead of the curve.
abby was actually very liked among the people who played the game. Many of them liked her even more than ellie
Let me correct you
>abby was actually very liked among a loud and aggressive minority who played the game.
Abby's motivations make sense, she goes through with them, she spares Ellie and her dumb pregnant GF, there isn't any twists with her or complexity, she's just "strong girl, kills her dad's killer, is hounded by said killers family, eats shit and has everyone she's ever met killed by them, which, fairs fair.
Ellie is the problem, she's far more vicious than Abby's crew and then.. pulls back in the end, fricking moronic.
Oh so that’s why so many people instantly let themselves be killed when fighting Ellie in the theatre
If I was Ellie I would have thought "Alright maybe this has gone too far and I should forgive myself and Joel instead." after I got done smashing the 200th person's face in with a crowbar who had very little if nothing to do with Joel's death. I know they're not gonna do this but it would be funny if TLOU3 was just family member of one of the dudes Ellie smears across the pavement comes back for vengeance.
>first game
>kill rapist, thiefs, cultists, etc....
>Yes, the fireflies were more a cult then a actual scientific group who could find a cure in the first game
>rewrite the story in the second game that they actually could find a cure
>that the fireflies where "good guys"
>even rewrite the story on the fireflies in the last of us 1 remaster to make it fit to your story in last of us 2.
>tell the fans of the original game who call this out to frick off and call them stupid.
No, frick you ~~*druckmann*~~
>rewrite the story in the second game that they actually could find a cure
there was no rewrite. They could find a cure in the first game too
"Could" but not a guarantee like 2 implies. Joel decided they couldn't kill Ellie for a chance.
i didn't mean "Could" as a "Chance"
>Joel decided they couldn't kill Ellie for a chance.
that's your headcannon. That's not what is in the game
No that's what's in the game. There's nothing there to suggest that they were guaranteed, let alone likely, to have a cure from killing Ellie.
EVERY FRICKING TIME. Where in the game you have
>Joel decided they couldn't kill Ellie for a chance.
there's no such thing. He decided they couldn't kill Ellie PERIOD. He thinks they would make it but chooses Ellie over the world. That's what's in the game. Stop watching idiots on youtube
>There's nothing there to suggest that they were guaranteed, let alone likely, to have a cure from killing Ellie.
of course there is but you forgot that. In your head you replaced what's in the game with what morons on youtube told you
>there's no such thing. He decided they couldn't kill Ellie PERIOD. He thinks they would make it but chooses Ellie over the world.
this. it isn't joel performing some cost/benefits analysis in his head, he just concludes that if he can't save Ellie then it isn't worth saving anybody.
>instead of doing bloodwork
>instead of doing scans
>instead of waiting for the patient to wake up and provide consent they
>immediately prep her for brain surgery within hours of drowning and receiving CPR
>without telling Joel
>and then
>break the weapon deal
>try and throw joel out without any supplies or even an empty backpack
>all while saying no, he can't visit ellie(because she's unconscious and hasn't given consent)
>doctor man literally states he'd do the fricking same thing if it was his daughter
what a joke of a story
The thing about it is that the ending for 1 left whether Ellie believed Joel or not up to the player, there are so many moronic writing decisions in it that get over looked because Joel and Ellie’s relationship is nice and the story gets wrapped up neatly. 2 on the other hand basically rips that wrapping off and proceeds to show off all of those shitty writing decisions before making them major plot points.
>whether Ellie believed Joel or not up to the player
Are you fricking serious? Bro she knows he's lying, thats the entire takeaway is that shes choosing to believe it for the sake of it. She woke up in a fricking hospital gown
Yeah, but that’s what it was supposed to be, I mean most people figured she knew and for her to just believe him would mean that she went through zero character development (I mean her chapter is all about learning not to blindly trust people).
>for her to just believe him would mean that she went through zero character development
If she knew and chose to believe doesn't mean she didn't get character development. It means she cherished her life and time with Joel over the nebulous chance of a cure with her self sacrifice.
She got zero character development because Druckmann didn't write a majority of the first games story and he went on to actively retcon the events of the first game in the second game as well as the remake so it fell more in line with his fricked up story.
Yes I agree
>instead of doing bloodwork
>instead of doing scans
they did that but how would you know
>blood tests and brain scans
>within hours
yeah right lmao
that's literally in the game https://thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/Surgeon%27s_recorder
blood cultures is even worse for how long it takes
Then why retcon it? You moved a goalpost here because no one argues that Joel wouldn't have saved Ellie even if cure was a 100% guarantee, it's just objectively treatment and portrayal of Fireflies shifted massively with less negativity and it is inconsistent between two games.
>Then why retcon it?
there was no retcon
>shifted massively
no such thing happened
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you're not showing any retcons
>being blatantly obtuse
Yeah bro definitely no differences whatsoever, being disingenuous only tells everyone that you know you’re wrong but are just keeping up the act to save face.
>Yeah bro definitely no differences whatsoever
newer version has better graphics? Dear god, that's a sneaky israeli trick
So the hospital looking like a grimy shithole that no one should be doing an important medical procedure in (which was also one of the many things people pointed out when 2 came out) all of a sudden becoming clean and sterile is just a graphical upgrade? Like I said disingenuous.
It looks worn out in the second video too. There are no significant changes that would matter for the story.
>which was also one of the many things people pointed out when 2 came out
which was something no one pointed out until morons on youtube started desperately searching for any shit they could use
>floors shining and barely dirty
>walls look much more clean
Seriously why do you feel the need to do this? You know you’re wrong yet you have to keep up this act of saying “uhh no I don’t see it” while giving some cope as to why it happened. You gays have been predictable since day one of this shit. And no people pointed it out because it wasn’t called into question before Joel’s/the Fireflies actions weren’t really called into scrutiny until 2 when they decided to make Ellie butthurt about Joel not letting her die for nothing and have the incident be what drives the entire game.
>for nothing
why is the first game about cure and ellie's immunity? According to you it absolutely doesn't matter for the plot but they made the whole game about it. Fricking israelites
>dicky can cure you
>just put your dick in it
>that'll be $500
The cure is just a plot device to get Joel and Ellie to head west and lead to the final moral exercise of the story, where the audience is given the trolley dilemma if saving the world is worth the life of someone you love
If you think The Last of Us is unironically about curing the zombie plague, as in that is the literal point of the story and why we are following these characters, you are a literal moron
>and lead to the final moral exercise of the story, where the audience is given the trolley dilemma if saving the world is worth the life of someone you love
so now you get it? It's not "for nothing" and "they would never make it"?
rust on the cabinets and some dirt on the wall literally doesn't matter when you're removing the fungus from the brain of a subject that will die anyway. You're grasping at straws. There was no retcon in the second game because the first game makes it clear they would make the cure. If anything it's even more clear in the first game than it is in the second
>the first game makes it clear they would make the cure
You’re trying to hard, go back
trying to hard? That's literally the entire point of that ending. Choosing person you love over the whole world
>yeah bro we can definitely make a vaccine for an infection that a vaccine can’t be made for in this dirty ass hospital with only a few dozen people and mass produce and distribute that shit nation wide with this the only subject of her kind
Like I said trying too hard
>yeah bro cordyceps can definitely jump to humans in 2013, it doesn't at all need millions of years of coevolution with our species, trust us bro
it's a made up cure for made up disease
>its a made up cure for a made up disease
Fungal infection exist moron, just because it’s a different kind of fungus doesn’t mean it’s going to be totally alien.
how can you bring so much external reasoning (not present in the game) and still think you're correct in your interpretation?
A vaccine for cordyceps infection is absolutely nothing if you already have cordyceps that jumped to humans AND the person immune to that in your game. Literally nothingburger in comparison
You make a good point, since it’s not present in the game it’s obvious that Cuckman didn’t care enough to come up with a good solution and just did it for the effect of fungus zombies. Which adds another level of moronation given that they make the whole issue part of the inciting incident for the sequel.
literally a made up cure for made up disease. If you can't grasp this simple concept you're clinically idiotic
We’ve already covered this, you going in circles is just desperate.
>We’ve already covered this
no, we didn't. That's why i'm repeating myself
>has to act obtuse out of desperation
different kind of fungus meaning fungus that has no possible way of infecting humans. Literally a made up disease
No as in a different kind of fungus, or do you think that all fungi are the same? Seriously had to claw your way back to this point and this is all you can come up with?
cordyceps has no way of infecting humans (without very long coevolution) which means it's a made up disease. You can accept made up disease but you can't accept made up cure for that IN A STORY
it's nonsense.
and thus not believable.
Resident Evil 4 is more believable than this shit.
Oh really? Are you a mycologist? Considering you had a hard time grasping that different kinds of fungi exist I doubt you have much of an idea of what you’re talking about.
i accept your concession
You discussing with somebody that always runs in circles. He does this in every TLOU thread. He gets backed into a corner and then uses the excuse that you didn't really understand what he meant to say to invalidate the whole conversation from a point where he can recover.
He is not having a conversation in good faith.
it's supposed to be believable.
A vaccine and cutting open a child isn't.
>it's supposed to be believable.
it's much more believable than cordyceps jumping to humans in 2013 which has total mathematical 0(zero) chances of happening. A vaccine when you already have an immune person? Vaccine based on that immunity? This is nothing. You're being deliberately obtuse having a problem with that because you can't handle the ending
>A vaccine when you already have an immune person?
vaccines are scams
>immune person
there is no such thing
No one is immune against alcohol (poison) either.
>immune person
>there is no such thing
they call her Ellie
nonsense written by a moron
>JERRY ANDERSON
>WAS A BLACK MAN
No
>HIS REAL NAME
>WAS JEROME AYOBEMBE
okay, i'll give you that. It's a change that means literally nothing tho
the fireflies ambushed him, lied to him repeatedly, and didn't even give him a chance to say goodbye to Ellie. he doesn't need to know jack shit about medicine or logistics to know he shouldn't let them cut her open.
>he doesn't need to know jack shit about medicine or logistics to know he shouldn't let them cut her open.
you can't let go, can't you? He stops them because he doesn't want Ellie to die
I like how you know that if you try to get into the debate of whether they could have found a cure or not you would get btfo like usual, so you instead are trying to make Joel’s motivation look entirely selfish and egotistical.
"just cut her open, let's see if we can find a cure in there"
doctors never look for cures, they treat symptoms. That's how they make money.
And vaccines are scams and do not work, it's poison. Take the poison out and there is no measurable reaction of the body, because it's all horseshit.
But still even I wouldn't have killed the medical quacks there, I would have left the building with my dicky.
That is all.
Dismissed.
>gets called out
>uhhh I was shitposting the whole time see
Lol, like clockwork
it's true
All of it.
Vaccine sare a scam.
Look up Eduard Jenner, the god father of vaccines.
>gets btfo
>has to deflect to save face
Have fun with your tantrum
>I...I totally BTFO'd you
watch this, if that doesn't cure you from scientism and vaccinations, nothing will
>I like how you know that if you try to get into the debate of whether they could have found a cure or not
there's no such debate in the game. It only exists online
>so you instead are trying to make Joel’s motivation look entirely selfish and egotistical.
the only reason joel kills them is because he doesn't want ellie to die. That's it. He's not thinking
>the chances for cure are looking slim so i will le save ellie
nothing like that in the game. In fact there is something opposite. He knows the surgeons recording, he talked to marlene, he also lies to Ellie at the end. He thinks they would make the cure. You do know he's lying at the end? According to you, he was akchyually telling the truth. How is that making any sense?
>there's no such debate in the game. It only exists online
Yeah which is what I’m calling you out for avoiding because you know you’re wrong
>the only reason joel kills them is because he doesn't want ellie to die. That's it. He's not thinking
Cool so he stops them from killing her for no reason
>nothing like that in the game. In fact there is something opposite. He knows the surgeons recording
Nope he lies because he killed Marlene and Ellie would probably freak out about that given that she was basically her mother, who lied and tried to kill her for no reason.
>Cool so he stops them from killing her for no reason
>no reason
SO SHE'S NOT DEAD YOU STUPID FRICKING moron JESUS FRICKING CHRIST LMAO
>so butthurt he can’t read properly
>resorts to samegayging out of desperation
>because you know you’re wrong
How can he be wrong when the game is on his side?
the game is wrong because it was made by mentally ill leftists.
That part is true, but it's equally true that there was no hope of saving the world even if Joel didn't kill them all. There was no moral conundrum: Joel chose to save Ellie, and the fireflies chose to kill her for a dice roll at maybe having medicine to save a few people.
It's a badly written plot.
Why would Joel of all people WASTE BULLETS on some quacks?
He would simply leave the building and the whole plot wouldn't happen.
But the game forces you to waste bullets, because it was written by a hack.
>but it's equally true that there was no hope of saving the world even if Joel didn't kill them all. There was no moral conundrum: Joel chose to save Ellie, and the fireflies chose to kill her for a dice roll at maybe having medicine to save a few people.
not what's in the game
Yes it is. There's no guarantee or strong likelihood in the game that the cure would work or be effective, therefore there's just a chance of making one and most likely a fools chance (since they've tried and failed before)
>(since they've tried and failed before)
they experimented on zombies. They never had immune person and the game makes it clear the immune person is the key
>they
who is "they"?
the same they as in your post
>(since they've tried and failed before)
that's not my post.
Who the frick is "they", conspiracy theorist?
I've literally never watched a YouTube analysis you are just wrong
>I've literally never watched a YouTube analysis you are just wrong
then you got that from someone who did because you didn't got those moronic takes from the game as they are not there
The fact also is even if the Fireflies did find a cure in Ellie then what the frick were they going to do?
The facilities that would have been needed to synthesize a vaccine and then distribute on a large scale simply didn't exist anymore, and you could bet that as soon as anyone with any kind of armed force heard about a cure then the Fireflies would have been getting raided.
Cuckman had to pull so many shitty writing moves in order to justify shit for 2.
Exactly
whether or not they actually could is honestly irrelevant to whether or not the characters believe they could, and Ellie ends up believing they could which causes the entire conflict she has with Joel that's the driver behind why she hates Abby and does all the bullshit that happens in the plot (b***h cut out the resolution of Ellie vs. Joel)
lol no, they added a shitload of audio logs and made the hospital looking a lot better then in the original game.
In the original game the fireflies were going to cut out her brain in a non sterile room and hope they could find out what the frick was going on in her brain.
>they added a shitload of audio logs
here we go again
I enjoyed this game for the combat. The writing was atrocious. Simple as.
you're right. Anyone who says there is a definitive way to interpret a story is a pseud homosexual and you shouldn't talk to them
>murders every random mook in her path in cold blood with extreme prejudice, fueled solely by her desire for revenge against abby
>suddenly has a change of heart
no, druck is just a fricking hack
The fact that druckman voiced the character that spit in joels face right before he had his head caved in speaks more then enough words to me about what kind of person he is.
>The fact that druckman voiced the character that spit in joels face
you got memed
>The fact that druckman voiced the character that spit in joels face
but that's not true. Do you even care it's not true?
so thats fake?
Any proof on that?
>Any proof on that?
why would we need proof? You're the one making a claim
well, another anon in this thread claims he did the motion capture of the spiting on joel's face.
So it's pretty much the same.
>well, another anon in this thread claims he did the motion capture of the spiting on joel's face.
but he didn't do the motion capture of the spitting on joel's face
>Any proof on that?
>any proof on completely baseless assumption that could be very easily disproved by simply googling the fricking voice actor for said character?
Listen, the game is cringe as frick and its fans are moronic but the people like you that are just parroting this shit are fricking morons.
I sweat ALL of you people are such a bunch of FRICKING moronS, stop taking whaterver bullshit that comes out of this site so seriously
https://cogconnected.com/2020/07/neil-druckmann-insert-last-us-part-ii/
So is the story about druckmann forcing the ND devs to watch gore&torture shit fake too?
Oh you just reminded me
?si=cQty1ESMJRQG8E3u
plenty of stories surrounding last of us 2 are literally made up from the scratch. There is a very simple trick to discern what is likely a made up bullshit - it has no sauce. That's it
>forcing the ND devs to watch gore&torture shit
dude, how the frick do you think mortal kombat devs design fricking fatalities? you make this sound like he brought employees into a locked room and forcefully made them watch cartel videos. this is normal for AAA games, its a known thing. you need references for artists, animators. if you spend your day looking at references of people getting fricking shot or stabbed, whether the reference is real or a movie, etc, you're going to get fricking burnt out when your JOB is replicating the details of murder
He didn't do the voice, only the motion capture
When he said he wanted games to be more like film, he meant sleazy 80s exploitation flicks where the director gives himself a sex scene with one of the actresses
>He didn't do the voice, only the motion capture
but it's not true. Do you even care it's not true?
Holy frick, i don't know what r/thelastofus2 told you but you need some reality check right now
They arent wrong.
Everything after star trek voyager isnt canon
Everything after the 6 original star wars movies isnt canon
Everything after halo 3 isnt canon
etc...
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/z-988LrNzS3MvGLn3y9IhQ/
Holy frick how long have you people been doing this
I genuinely don’t know whether to chalk it up to paid shilling or genuine rabid fanboy autism. Honestly this game is probably one of the most forgettable in years and is only discussed by gays that want to farm (You)s or femdom, futa and e-girl gays
love these fake reddit stories.
>love these fake reddit stories.
>I was cheated on
>I apologized for me being mad about cheating
lmao, what a cuck
>clinging to the gf that dumped him 7 years ago
This is who calls me an incel
Fricking hell. This is in no defense of that pathetic moron, but read, Black person.
>two threads with the same screencapture
One of two things. Twitter Black folk in the board or Neil Druckmann in the board trying to save face. Again.
"Media illiterate" as a term by itself is based, it's a shame it's misused or even used correctly by certain groups of undesirables.
Inner Demons is my headcanon
that's kino
The classic:
>i stated my opinion as a fact but also made it seem like it's a consensus everyone agrees with
I hate Twitter freaks so fricking much
Saying this unironically; this story is better as a movie or a tv series.
Tons of movies have that "unsatisfying" endings and still can be really good, and TLOU2's probably fits in that category.
But as a game? Nah, not really.
A movie wouldn't have shown Ellie killing hundreds of dudes just to be like when it finally came time to kill the troon. A movie would shown Ellie gradually doubting herself, slowly become more pacifist or try to avoid conflict and it would build up to the conclusion. This is why game writers are fricking shit. Everything they do is so fricking random. They write stories as if they're editing a youtube video filled with jump cuts.
That is a wrong take too. What Ellie realized is that killing Abby would not bring Joel back, and that epiphany instilled a sense of despair in her, as the revenge she sought became meaningless at that moment.
Sure, it's really contrived that that kill would be the one to break the camel's back after she'd already killed hundreds of people, but it's not like dramatic convenience is anything new in storytelling.
The only real blunder is that they did not stick to their guns and have this newfound despair break Ellie completely. The final scene of the game would have been much more impactful if Ellie returned to the house to off herself.
yup
should have been the pregnant woman.
pregger woman going "oh noes I'm dying uhhhh"
and then a baby pops out and dies too
and ellie goes "oh noooooooo, the babbby is dead what have I done? noooooo"
>make underage video game character
>make the character LGBT
Wokeism can't exist without noncery.
>Media literacy is just homosexuals way to say "You are too stupid to be as correct as me."
>Prove me wrong I fricking dare you
Sounds like a "you" problem
Funnily enough the IDF did not follow Cuckmans advice agianst Hamas.
>story logic
>IN A VIDEO GAME
I play video games to play video games not for them to give me deep philosophical bullshit.
If you think video games are a medium to tell 2DEEP4U stories you are the cancer killing vidya
Last of Us is a movie, literally.
It's not a game.
It's a ladderer / strangler with the same animations over and over again.
It's basically Half-Life on steroids.
The problem is that video game writers always write their games as if it were a passive movie. Or they go the Planescape Torment route and do nothing but describe multiple philosophies without elaborating and the dumbass gamers eat it up because planescape the first time they ever heard of wiccan & pagan ideology.
Games like Killer7 revolve around the government corporate tyranny that we live in, and even shows to you the potemkin villages that is modern-day politics. That game was talking about government sanctioned child trafficking way before that became a known political issue. K7 never preached though, the entire game was built to look and play like a nightmare.
The problem is that gamers are mostly illiterate so actually talking about deep subjects goes over their heads anyway. Which leads them to deify shallow crap like Last of Us as though it had a deep philosophical point when it's basically just a kung fu revenge movie or Kill Bill without the kung fu. Bruce Lee movies do get described as philosophically deep but Bruce actually dies in his revenge movies.
Yeah but problem is she's already a blood-steeped, disgusting monster by the time she gets to that point, and hundreds of people probably want her dead to continue the cycle of revenge. Why stop there? Its shit, obtuse, fart huffing, zero merit writing that plagues so many other shows/movies lately.
>Yakuza fan
>Alan Wake 2 fan
I didn't read the whole thread but the west genuinely has a media literacy problem. People don't understand what they are seeing and replace what something actually means with their head canon.
Another problem we have is the inability to separate the characters from the writer, both by the viewers and the writers themselves. See the velma tv show.
Focus-tested homogenized media like the Marvel Cinematic Universe has led to a generation of manchildren who think the purpose of art is solely to make them feel good about themselves and reinforce what they already believe. Any piece media that leads them to question their worldview or feel any genuine emotion that's negative is a failure of the work, because the only purpose of art is to give the audience positive reinforcement
if they're not basedfacing at an applause cameo or laughing at the Joss Whedon quip or projecting themselves into the protagonist being a heckin' epic badass that means the writing is bad, or something
I mean, there are some people who unironically are full of hate and want to hurt people. When a piece of media tells them that attitude isn't healthy and you should instead go to therapy to solve the underlying issues that make you that way they get angry
I just thought that in that moment of pure hate and anguish. she realized she was alone in the world and she was about to kill the only other person that could see eye to eye with her. Like looking in a mirror but the other monster is living/breathing. I think they'll both be hunted in the next game and join up.
Literal marketers got tipped off about this thread and are running damage control on every single post
If you don't have a wife and you make less than 100k a year and you care about this shit you should actually fricking blow your head off.
>marrying some b***h in 2023
lmao yeah, nah, i'm good.
yeah posting about video game analysis and "The Last of Us 2" is way cooler than having sex with a woman or raising a child
>yeah bro I’m chad I don’t give a shit about this dumbshit
If you’re going to lie at least make it believable, if you weren’t full of shit you wouldn’t be here.
he's more believable than the plot of TLoU1+2 lol
Oh so you’re an autist? Because that’s the only reason why anyone would get annoyed by this enough to take the time to come in and try and larp. That or you’ve been here the whole time and you’re trying to pull some kind of nonsense like “uh ackshually real chads don’t care about this” to try and get people to stop arguing with you, both are extremely desperate and pathetic but you just pick the one that most suits you.
are you mentally ill?
none of what you wrote makes any sense.
I like how you immediately went you went for the “you’re a schizo” argument instead of posting a screencap immediately, or were you saving that for the “other guy”?
that wasn't me, schizo
>it’s not me
>but I decided to comment defending him anyway
Seriously I love how you homosexuals go down this route every time you get desperate. What’s next “I can comment to whoever I want” or “I call out schizos when I see them” realistically you wouldn’t care no one would. Especially given that if you’re no lying he hasn’t said anything in defense of himself so that’s very telling as to whether I’m right or not.
>in my head all the posts are made by one poster
newbie, read the faq
>y-you’re a schizo
>y-you’re a newbie
What’s next are you going to call me a redditor? Your desperation is palpable and all you can do is hurl insults. And again I’ll say, if you’re not him why do you care?
I saw this thread and I got angry that someone could care about something so fricking stupid.
marrying is a scam
having a partner? sure
>raising a child
why would i want to waste 20 years of my life raising another human? i rather waste it doing something i like
STOP CARING ABOUT SLOP
STOP CONSUMING SLOP
STOP REGURGITATING SLOP
>never once been traumatized by a significant event or death
If you think it was about "forgiving him" or any of her anger before that was about what he did, you've never dealt with a complex set of emotions in your life. Love/hate are not very separate.
>Kill hundreds of people on your path to get revenge on a certain person
>Decide to spare said person, the only one who arguably deserved it
Genius. Just genius.
doesn't this make the thousands of dead people absolutely pointless?
They would have died for no reason.
Imagine some psycho b***h kills your mother because she wants to rob a bank. And then she doesn't rob the bank.
The difference is that at least not robbing the bank means a lot more people might live. In this case, it would be like murdering dozens of hostages to rob a bank, opening the vault, getting the money, getting away with the money and then deciding "Y'know what, i'm not gonna use it."
>not robbing a bank means that people might live
that makes no sense.
most bank robberies cause zero dead people
killing the bank manager would make the death of the mother worth it
That is part of the tragedy, and the reason why I think they mishandled the ending by having Ellie soldier on. Just the guilt of having done all she did alone should have driven her to put a gun in her mouth.
Even if she would have went all the way, what kind of good reason is that? they would have still died unfairly because of some revenge between two girls, in which they had little to absolutely nothing to do with
one case
"yeah, we just murdered your wife, for no reason at all"
vs
"yeah, we had to kill your wife, because you see a troony killed my father, and we had to kill the troony"
In the 2nd case I would say "yes, I see, it all makes sense, I forgive you, frick that troony"
>"yeah, we had to kill your wife, because you see a troony killed my father, and we had to kill the troony"
>In the 2nd case I would say "yes, I see, it all makes sense, I forgive you, frick that troony"
Weird how you would accept that justification of your wife being murdered as a casual bystander to a conflict she has nothing to do with, yet have zero sympathy for Abby killing the guy who actually murdered her father
there would be at least a reason for it.
No reason would make me really mad.
>sympathy for a troony
"I hear a name, that must be the one who killed my father, who was in the process of killing a child, MUST KILL"
no sympathy, frick the troony
I think you're just a deranged schizo who fantasizes about reasons to justifiably murder people
you are the schizo, I am the victim in this scenario.
But I would see that there was a good reason to murder my wife, and when it goes against a troony, I'm fine with it.
>Oh yeah, you just killed several friends and loved ones of mine as well as many other people, just because they got in your way of hunting down a girl you had a problem with, that makes it completely fine!
Bruh
>a girl
a mentally ill troony, who was the son of a child murderer/child rapist
Hopefully The Last of Us 3 starts out with Ellie getting brutally murdered by the kid of someone she killed, right in front of her wife and kid in order to show the cycle continuing.
In that case, that kid is gonna have to wait his turn if he doesn't get to her first, because there would be literally an army of people looking to settle their score with her
You will never be more superior for liking a different childrens toy than me.
Why does no one want to admit their precious "so strong so brave" self-assigned token character for their world view was trying to forgive herself for how she treated the "big stupid man who totally stole her agency"?
Imagine you're in a manipulative place in your relationship with someone who's a figure you look up to and you're taking advantage of it because you've never known control over anything before and you're not really upset and then they're gone.
You get into a position of power and can finally either be the same person again or be the person they were.
Subversive Subversion 3: Talmudic Insanity edition; The lesson is negated by Abby coming back and similarly ruining her life again and having her go completely insane. Because real life doesn't actually have absolute shared principles or morals and sometimes (often) the "right" thing isn't the best thing.
i dont care
its still shit
No, no, I agree with the twitter take that it was about forgiving herself and Joel and not about revenge bad. I just think that sparing Abby after butchering dozens/hundreds feels stupid and pointless. Hell, it was arguably even dangerous since she killed some of Abby's friends, too, so Abby going after her isn't an impossibility. Maybe if the game could be beaten without killing any enemies metal gear style, it would have made sense, but since you gotta kill a shit ton of them it feels baffling that she would stop RIGHT before the finish line.
/v/- X Screencaps (Formerly Twitter Screencaps)
Who the frick is taking these screenshots and why? It's well beyond the point of normal, this has to be organized why it's the same ones every time
There's this one sub on leddit called gaming circlejerk, it's a """satire""" sub but really it's basically a hybrid of Ganker and resetera.
I bring that up because gcj is nothing but screencaps of random people and youtubers who make them seethe and I also notice that screencaps of Ganker threads constantly find their way onto gcj and Ganker gets a lot of spam pics and screencaps from gcj.
I'm also convinced gcj is where all of the leftypol subhumans on Ganker come from because they use the same typing style and arguments.
>Be a moron who never read Cormac McCarthy
The last of us is a masterpiece, Neil you are a genius
>Cuckmann try to copy Naruto
Nooooo why Neil, you ruined your masterpiece
Kek, TLOUgays are really stupid and they can't admit Neil is not a genius
I for one think that TLOU2 is an empowering story for all women. Ellie was on a path to find herself and that she did, in the end.
>THE LAST OF US TV SHOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY TYLER PERRY
I don't know about you guys but I think Abby is actually a great role model. If I was stuck in the apocalypse I'd want to be the most swole person in any given group.
She's a big girl
>psychopathic troony
>wasting hormones on mental illness
>role model
>hears a name, murders guy
lmao
Joel is a common name.
Your role model is a psychopath and should be put down.
>Anon's continually get baited by the TLOU2 shitposter
To me the only explanation for this is that people who really liked the first part come here to shit on the legacy of the guy who destroyed the franchise.
>Implying TLOU wasn't always overrated garbage by a bunch of tards who have Roger Eberts ghost living rent-free in their minds.
I mean, okay, but that doesn't take away from the fact that some people liked the first part. This is a reaction that can only be explained by the fact that the second part retroactively destroys a story that many people liked.
Which leads to the idea that Neil Druckmann is not responsible for part one. So it's a stranger coming in and destroying something.
>Which leads to the idea that Neil Druckmann is not responsible for part one.
he literally wrote the game and directed all the cutscenes
So how do you explain the absolute disharmony between Part 1 and Part 2? Ghostwriters exist anon, they have been walking among us for hundreds of years.
You can see how Druckmann has control of the steering wheel in part two to an extent that doesn't exist in the first installment.
both are written by hack writers
>soldier shoots little girl
>but doesn't shoot grown ass man, because plot armor
lmao
>muh soldier bad
>So how do you explain the absolute disharmony between Part 1 and Part 2?
there's no disharmony let alone absolute one
Lmao Part 2 is written by children when you compare it with Part 1.
it's far more mature than the first game
>just let me gaslight you while I kill you father
>First game
>Themes that gradually build over the course of the game with mixed execution, approaching topics like the duality of man in times of crisis and how people cope differently after the loss of loved ones, ultimately culminating in the question of what human lives are worth
>Second game
>Opens by beating you over the head with its intended message, puts you in control of two violent psychopaths, and then ends the game by beating you over the head with its intended message again despite doing nothing to support it between the beginning and the end
epic
TLoU2 is absolute amateur shit, it's actually embarrassing that pseuds have circled the wagons around it this fricking hard. Read a book.
*Sigh*
>wiki even wrote bruce out of the writing room
Sweet merciful christ he has everyone in his pocket.
chud cope
Wasn't that guy ranting about how his credit was denied when the TV series came out?
Yep. He's the real writer of TLoU1. Shot down all of Druckmann dumb ass bullshit Druckmann later used to make the entirety of TLoU2.
>the credits are lying!!!!
cope
->
both games were written by shit writers
Drugman is a shit writer
Imagine the odds.
Bruce Straley
@bruce_straley
And a big #TheLastOfUs Happy Birthday to my buddy
@Neil_Druckmann
, who penned the best story in video game history! It was fun man!
>He's the real writer of TLoU1
he doesn't agree
super normal post. Nothing to see here.
i'm just copying a tweet that was posted few posts above
Bruce involvement in the writing has never been explained, but as director he probably kept Neil in check. TLOU2 is the result of Neil being surrounded by yes men.
So, could Bruce be the real Ghostwriter?
So what your saying Neil is dogshit unless he has a competent tard wrangler. But now he is the top dog of the company and Naughty Dog has a tard to command everyone else.
Naughty Dog is forever garbage. There isn't a single reason to ever play or buy a single ND game again.
Dog has been dead since PS2.
Their last good game was Jak & Daxter.
I'd Claim Jak 3. Then Neil had a significant role with Jak X and it was all downhill from there.
Wikipedia has never been a credible source.
It literally says the same in the fricking credits of the game anon...
https://twitter.com/bruce_straley/status/477828311708491776
they took it straight from Naughty Dog
cope
No one's getting baited. We enjoy anger around these parts.
>Forgive Joel and herself.
>Let Joel's murderer go because she forgives herself and Joel.
What the FRICK?
fricking please murdering thosands of people but being able to spare the leaders for no reason was already a homosexual thing to do back in fallout 3 and bioshock 2.
forcing me to spare them doesn't change that
In the first game, doesn't Ellie say something to the effect that if there is even a chance that her life can have some meaning (ie. serving as the base for a vaccine) then she wouldn't hesitate taking that chance?
>ellie let abby goes because she finally forgave joel and herself
no, she the roided out freak go inexplicably and for no real reason. she doesn't outright state why she let her go. you're supposed to interpret why as the viewer. it could be because she finally forgave joel and herself, but it could also be a variety of other reasons. she could've decided that she's disgusted with herself for slaughtering dozens of people just to get petty revenge, when in the end it solves nothing, which is a line of reasoning that can very well fit in with the theme "revenge bad". should could've also felt that abby's death was not necessary at that point; she's achieved a symbolic victory. she slaughtered her friends and dozens of people just to get here, and she's beaten abby to within an inch of her life. what more could actually be done at this point? there's not much more you can do to punish her, aside from letting her live and wallow in the realization that she fricked with the wrong person. hell, it could've also been because, for once, ellie decided to think of someone other than herself, that her selfish action would deprive another of someone whom they love enough to defend from her assault, and in this way, she's granting mercy so as to suggest that ellie hasn't become the monster that everyone thinks she has.
there are many interpretations and this homosexual is some xwittertard who thinks is opinion is more important that anyone else's. frick him.
>people meme revenge bad
>YOU IMBECILES DONT UNDERSTAND THAT [more words that ultimately just mean REVENGE BAD]
I hate how liberals think more words = smarter. You can explode any concept to hold anything you want it to at a fricking atomic level
>media literacy
jesus christ
I dont like the 'you don't understand' argument. We do understand its just boring writing and an unsatisfying conclusion. whats frustrating is that TLOU has a really cool setting and premise, an interesting take on the zombie genre and they waste it with a generic revenge plot and YA novel tier writing.
>really cool setting
it's fricking zombies
it's the most boring setting and premise EVER
imagine being so stupid you think people dont understand the incredibly simple and ham fisted message in this game
I must admit that it was bold of ND to release the game as a Youtube exclusive, but the QOL features that let me move time forwards and backwards at will were insane
>media literacy isn’t real!!! i swear i can interpret my japanese animes made for japanese audiences 100% accurately despite being a mutt with zero education!! ugh education is so fricking stupid i hate the woke left for thinking you need to learn after high school vgh if nazi germany only would have won i would my aryan breeding sow…
who are you quoting
t. Sherlock scriptwriter
>Media literacy
jesus
why do gringos keep inventing buzzwords?
>some morons twitter opinion
>450 post thread
just go ahead and take this board down honestly.
Media literacy is redditor pseud speak for "I consume a lot of poorly written media but like to pretend I am a thorough analyst of intelligent writing and arguing."
"Media literacy" is the new phrase the 115-IQs learned this year.
Remember when Ganker used to be the epicenter of anger on the internet?
It's easy to forget because twitter has stole the show from us. They're always angry about everything, holy frick. Imagine being angry about what others think about a videogame.
Moreso when it's such a shit game.
This guy needs people literacy. Revenge bad is mocking the obvious theme of the game it beats you over the head with not the character motivation.
never played last of us, never intend do
all i do is fap to 3d renders of ellie and abby kissing
basado
>LOU2 remake in the works
>despite the original is just a few years old
>despite original barely sold with discounted versions filling shelves
>despite having absolutely shit reception
Wonder why sony is getting those layoffs now?
It's 2023. Why should I still be thinking about some crappy game's ending?
This dude needs to get a life.
>"revenge bad"
That is still ONE of the themes contained in the ending and throughout its overarching narrative. None of those things are mutually exclusive. The real problem is TLOU2 simply had atrocious execution from start to finish. Browbeating people by pulling "le media literacy" from your ass like you learned that term yesterday (plus, this moron has mindless consumer written all over him) isn't going to change that fact in the slightest. Even if that absolute clown show of a stand-off at the end was redeemed, there's still a shit ton of glaring issues throughout the course of the game. Even the way the events are ordered is a complete mess.
Media literacy for these clowns mean harry potter, the hunger games, 50 shades of grey and boku no pico.
It is always the same woke dunning-kruger imbeciles the ones that come up with idiotic shit like that to defend the indefensible.
>the year is 2030, Ganker is still mindbroken by TLOU2
>the year is 2050, and morons are still angrily defending tlou2
>Prove me wrong I fricking dare you
Post the pic with the replies
what happened in june 2020?
the catch is that nobody gives a shit about that game to think about the message
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>no media literacy
>"TLOU2 sucks"
>some media literacy
>"TLOU2 is a masterpiece
>a high level of media literacy
>"TLOU2 is fricking awful"
adtionally surprised no one has called out the extremely fricking weird Israil-Palastine subtext of the entire game, even more so given it's a Zionist perspective on the conflict which boiled down to
>"just stop killing :*~~"
Did you know tlou2 is hard coded to prevent you from shooting at ~~*Holy Texts*~~?
>not because she forgave Abby
This game came out on PS2
It was called "Silent Hill 3"
Some twat murders beloved protagonist of the first game so you, adoptive daughter, kill every motherfricking thing that moves.
In the end, you don't feel any better that protagonist is kill, but at least you put that psycho b***h down and it's all over now.