Vivian from Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door.

>born married
Damn, sirens are quick.

In the Japanese version of the video game she refers to herself as a female And the 2 mean sisters always referred to her as boy because I'm born gender.The Japanese text doesn't recognize hi South identification as a woman when talking about her end a game but that will not go too well with Western audiences so they made her entirely female born and identified as in the English version of the game.

Actually I am being accurate and why are you calling me subhuman for telling you about what they did in fact you in Japan version of the game the original one?
https://www.mariowiki.com/Vivian

You mean by Japanese standards of normalcy call Vivian a male is the norm in that industry. That does not contradict the fact that she sees herself as female was bullied about and what do you legally qualify for gender reassignment surgery by most countries who do that. NNothing I said has been proven to be a lie because I am not lying about what I know . Just because they don't want to call a trans person by the danger they consider themselves doesn't mean nobody should accept that individual ads did gender they want to be.

There's actually no such thing as transgender. That ideology is a recent invention and has been proven illegitimate. It's a work of fiction, no different from claiming to be "trans species" or "trans racial". In a healthy world we would be celebrating tomboys and feminine men for their differences, not gaslighting them into destroying their bodies. The world becomes a more liberated place when we disregard stereotypes about how men and women are "supposed to act and dress" and simply accept people as they are. As they ACTUALLY are, as feminine men and masculine women, not as made up identities invented by homophobic conversion therapists who actually want to kill LGB people.

You're wrong. Look up the origins of the troony industry. It's a money making scam, nothing more. The "psychiatric community" you're making fallacious appeals of false authority for are nothing more than layer upon layer of conflicted intersts for the sake for making money.

Proof?

You don't have that right. You don't get to "interpret" an objectively male character as a female just to suit some fricked up worldview you have.

There is no debate. Vivian is 100% male in every single way. There is NO AMBIGUITY in the original Japanese. He is just a normal male character. Like Kurapika, or Kurama, or literally any other "prettyboy" Japanese male character. Nothing ever refers to him as a woman other than the garbage English translation. Every other translation, except for Italian, refers to him as a male throughout the entire game.

The game itself literally says Vivian is a man and comfortable being a man. Your wiki written by western trannies is not evidence.

You believe they are transexuals there for you believe they will lie about this individual character being a transsexual in the original Japanese version? And you keep going on about a cult that doesn't exist .

Post a primary source, you twit

https://web.archive.org/web/20210607111528/http://www.fti.uab.es/tradumatica/revista/num5/articles/06/06central.htm

But nobody else has provided any evidence Vivian identifies as a male and is a male in the Japanese version of the game from the game itself.You just posted a single card saying it says mail in Japanese that doesn't mean Vivian has ever self-identified as a man in the game itself and that would make no sense because if if everyone identify Vivian as male in the original video game including Vivian also why would there be any need to change it to female completely in the English version?

You're using the word death culT. do you believe don't toss 42% suicide rate meme he constantly quotes? Because here's a little question for you why he's constantly quoting is no more scientific than someone going door-to-door and asking people are you trying and try to have a nice day because it was an online survey done by people who hate crimes and was criticized and called totally bogus by the scientific community.

>in original language of the game, character born male identifies and presents herself as a woman.
seems pretty trans to me, like theres no argument otherwise ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The game itself literally says Vivian is a man and comfortable being a man. Your wiki written by western trannies is not evidence.

anon you are a legitimate moron

The entire notion of "transgender" is inherently bigoted, it's rooted in homophobia and sexism. There is no such thing as a man who expresses himself "as a woman". A man who wears makeup is expressing himself in one of the many ways that men can, and by insisting that he's a woman, or even by allowing him to insist that he's a woman, you're actively reducing the number of ways men are allowed to express themselves. You're saying "no, men aren't allowed to be beautiful or wear makeup. they have to become women if they want to do that". You're saying "no, girls aren't allowed to cut their hair short or play sports. they have to become men if they want to do that". Enforced conformity is all it is. It's no different from an oppressive traditionalist purity spiral. If you actually cared about these people you would want them to love and accept their bodies and their actual, true selves. They aren't transgender. Nobody is. There's no such thing as "transgender". They're just afraid of society bludgeoning them to force them to get back in line. So instead of changing their behavior to be more socially acceptable for men, they think they can change their bodies to be more socially acceptable for their behavior. Do you not see how that's the same problem either way? People need to stand up and say "men can wear makeup and women can have hairy legs and it's not taboo". They should never, EVER give in to the society's bigoted demands by changing their bodies to look more like the opposite sex, which never works by the way and always results in monstrosities. If you don't see why actual LGB people are against transgender ideology you're either a bad faith bigot or you have zero empathy.

gender nonconformity is not trans issue, newsflash: the people policing that shit are moronic r*ghtoids like yourself anyway. Trans people are born with intersex brains and change the hormonal profile of their body to be more comfortable in it. Its an unfortunate birth defect in which the only treatment is transition. trans people are a fraction of 1% of the population, why are you so rabid about the? utter derangement tbh

The ghost identifies as a female despite the siblings identifying the ghost as male in the Japanese language version of the game.You're saying it's always identifying as male but evidence says you are wrong because the individual themselves identifies themselves as female . It's not take a tree to accept somebody identifying themselves as the gender they want to .

>You're straight up just lying.
Don't expect much from the guy who puts a space before a period.

Who exactly?

I'm accusing you of lying saying you know Japanese and have played the original .Because I have significantly more evidence from multiple online sources from people I can actually trust more than a Ganker anonymous commenter that says the ghost identifies as female in the Japanese game but the mean sisters called the ghost a man.

You can't even speak English. Seriously stop posting, your bot translated posts are fricking trash.

You mean 2 or 3 people who clearly hate trans people who are saying the Ghost Party member always self-identifies as a man are significantly more trustworthy than Wiki websites TV Tropes and basically anyone who does actual research says the ghost party member does self-identify as female in game despite siblings identifying them as male and I'm just supposed to believe the haters?

Every single Japanese person refers to Vivian as a boy. Look at pixiv if you want proof.

See what? Your autistic rambling? Vivian is male. He's not a transsexual.

I'd expect you to believe them when they post actual in-game screenshots that explicitly denote him as male yes, but I can see you choose to ignore them because you can't into japanese yourself and it doesn't fit your narrative

Transgender ideology is built on self hatred and the religious worship of shallow, sexist stereotypes. It teaches people that they were born wrong if they're a girl who likes kickball or a boy who likes having long hair and cooking. There's no reason a man can't fulfill the same roles and adopt the same traditions as a woman, and vice versa. There's no reason to "change" your "gender" in the first place because "genders" ought to be equally able to pursue their passions. The concept of gender identity is inherently sexist and limiting. It's built on bigotry. The man who came up with "gender identity" is a murderer who caused two boys to kill themselves. In reality all we have is biological sex. Your sex doesn't determine your hobbies, your roles, your fashion or your personality. You choose those things. As an individual. Isn't that a better, more free world? One where sex is all that exists and people are free to pursue whatever they want regardless of their sex? "Gender" is a needless restriction and it does not serve as a genuine identity. The logical progression of breaking down the differences leads to tomboys and femboys. It leads to people who don't let their biological sex influence their hobbies or fashion. The transgender cult is all about building up those limitations and enforcing them so strictly that any little boy who so much as glances at a Barbie doll gets put on hormone blockers so that he can be railroaded into becoming "a girl" because "only girls like dolls". We used to have a culture that said "if you're a boy you ought to like sports" and now we have a culture that says "if you like sports you ought to become a boy". We skipped right over the healthy, rational middleground that says there's no reason a girl can't play kickball with her friends without mutilating herself and taking testosterone.

stop posting you illiterate cultist.

He uses male language. He refers to himself as male. You fell for gaslighting.

I'd frick Vivian regardless of if they're a boy or a girl. I just think Vivian is really cute.

The question is, would Mario?

You're a Black person, and

There is no "scientific community". There is only the scientific method. And the scientific method objectively and permanently proves that trannies don't and can't exist. Male and female brains are the same. You can't be born with the wrong brain. You're legit a straight up sexist bigot with homophobic tendencies and you're only supporting this troony cult bullshit because you see it as a way to attack actual LGB people. Just die.

is right. This troony shit is a trojan horse movement that leeches off of other civil rights movements because it doesn't have a leg to stand on. "Born this way" from the LGB. "Trans lives matter" appropriated from the BLM movement. I'm sure there's more examples but these are the most notable. The trans "movement" is just a parasite and when you look at it from a practical perspective, rather than a spiritual, cult like perspective you begin to realize what a crock of shit it is. Especially when you see how many people are using "gender" to mean personality instead these days (which is ironic because those very same people are more 2D than a piece of paper). More than anything, you point blank can't ignore how the "trans movement" is regurgitating and reinforcing sex stereotyping rather than tearing it down like it should have been ages ago. Saying "Feminine people do this and masculine people do that" is the exact same as "Females do this, males do that" which at the end of the day is sexist, bogus bullshit that gets casually proven wrong every day.

>t. reddit mod

so you think we infantilize trans people basically? some do have ageplay fetishes but i don't know

Its the latter stage of the gay agenda. People knew that homosexuality was not a real identity for all of human history until mentally ill gays banded together (with pedophiles, trannies, and other miscreants) and demanded extra rights. They dropped the trannies and pedos from their crew early on when they realized it would be even harder for normal people to accept their disgusting behavior (homosexuality is a behavior, not an identity).

Now that they have those rights, and now that homosexuality has been incorrectly removed as a diagnosable mental illness by the ~~*psychiatric*~~ community, trannies and other flavors of homosexual-adjacent mentally ill people have a propaganda playbook (established by gays) to normalize their behavior. Read After the Ball. If you "identify" as gay like the other "femboy appreciators" in this thread, what you complain about is literally your own fault

communities aren't cults, just because you were denied love and support doesn't make the LGBT community abusive or manipulating.

>anon pretends to be gay so he can be the mouthpiece of gay people

>N-NOO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE YOU MUST AGREE WITH ME AND MY CULT OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT REAL GAY
You're doing the exact same thing that "white saviors" do to black people who point out that what you're doing is actually harming black commuities. You're marginalizing me and pushing me to the side because I'm not convenient for your narrative. I've called you out for this before, but your troony groomer mod friends got pretty upset.

My current boyfriend and all of my past boyfriends have hated trannies. So do all of my friends, who are also femboys like myself. You're a groomer. Nobody likes you.

If there was even a grain of truth to that moronation you just posted then you freaks wouldn't be desperately trying to steal the term from us. Femboys invented the term for ourselves, to get us out from under your troony umbrella. And now you're doing everything in your power to force us back there. And then you have the gall to wonder why we fricking hate you. Stay out of our communities. Stay away from us. Stop trying to steal our characters. Stop trying to weasel your way into our porn. Stop stealing the name we made for ourselves.

You did the same thing to trap you're trying to do to femboy now. You got jealous that people like traps ( natural cute boys) so you bombed the term. Now you're jealous that people like femboys ( natural cute boys) so you're trying to bomb this term now too. You will never be desirable like we are. You will never be one of us. You will never be welcome around us. You're a disgusting ogre who ruined his body with estrogen. You're everything vile and ugly in this world and you don't even deserve to look at male beauty, let alone attempt to appropraite it for your evil self mutilation cult.

You think that's any better? "Non-binaries" are the most insufferable of all. Woketard trannies like you deserve to be slowly ripped apart

>220 results found
fricking schizo shitting up boy threads

The entire notion of "transgender" is inherently bigoted, it's rooted in homophobia and sexism. There is no such thing as a man who expresses himself "as a woman". A man who wears makeup is expressing himself in one of the many ways that men can, and by insisting that he's a woman, or even by allowing him to insist that he's a woman, you're actively reducing the number of ways men are allowed to express themselves. You're saying "no, men aren't allowed to be beautiful or wear makeup. they have to become women if they want to do that". You're saying "no, girls aren't allowed to cut their hair short or play sports. they have to become men if they want to do that". Enforced conformity is all it is. It's no different from an oppressive traditionalist purity spiral. If you actually cared about these people you would want them to love and accept their bodies and their actual, true selves. They aren't transgender. Nobody is. There's no such thing as "transgender". They're just afraid of society bludgeoning them to force them to get back in line. So instead of changing their behavior to be more socially acceptable for men, they think they can change their bodies to be more socially acceptable for their behavior. Do you not see how that's the same problem either way? People need to stand up and say "men can wear makeup and women can have hairy legs and it's not taboo". They should never, EVER give in to the society's bigoted demands by changing their bodies to look more like the opposite sex, which never works by the way and always results in monstrosities. If you don't see why actual LGB people are against transgender ideology you're either a bad faith bigot or you have zero empathy.

Males can't be women. Pretty simple.

I have seen it with my own two eyes you freakish excuse of a man. You'd have to be braindead to have missed shit like Jazz Jennings sad, miserable existence or the fricking "genderbread" man of all things. Do you really think people are born hating their bodies or feeling like there's a separation between how they act and what they are (which is a beyond nebulous concept)?

You can never be in the opposing gender's body. It's literally not possible. The surgeries they use are crude and barbaric. Normalizing that is far from okay. It's never necessary change your body through surgery or drugs to be happy. There's huge problems with normalizing that concept as well. People can learn to love and accept the way they were born. There were happy tomboys and feminine men for thousands of years before your transgender fad showed up and started grooming them into thinking they needed surgery to be happy. You're wrong and you're supporting something truly heinous. Rethink your position. It's untenable.

Literally every single top result anywhere you search will say that male and female brains are the same. Your own appeals to authority debunk your bigot cult.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-female-brain-l58nqfft5m0
https://www.inverse.com/science/science-concludes-mens-womens-brains-are-exactly-the-same
https://www.fastcompany.com/90619636/surprise-male-and-female-brains-are-the-same
https://www.cnet.com/science/mens-and-womens-brains-are-the-same-says-scientist/
https://aimmedicalimaging.com/mri/no-distinct-differences-between-male-and-female-brains-mri-study/

>TRUST THE SCIENCE MEN CAN GET PREGNANT CHUD
>NOOOO DON'T TRUST THAT SCIENCE MY HECKING FEMALE BRAINERINO
you're a fricking clown

>There were happy tomboys and feminine men for thousands of years before your transgender fad showed up
what the frick kind of world (America) did you grow up in? Not the real world that's for sure.

you said "happy" though, most people are bullied for being gender non-conforming.

Schizo larping as a eunuch or eunuch larping as a schizo?

>being so sexist that you're actively moronic
You've already been schooled on how there is no such thing as male and female brains, so I'll just dive right in: proposing that there is an inherent difference to male and female brains is not only a conservative and/or regressive view point, it also corroborates and justifies the idea that women should be in the kitchen raising children, and men should be poor father figures that stay at work and push all the chores onto the wife and kids.

Finally, and here's the kicker that no one seems to understand is that GENDER IS NOT REAL. It's not physical, it's not something you can touch- it's a made up social standard that says only men can do this or only women can do that, when true independence is to say that it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, you can do whatever you want and act however you want.

Yet of course typing this all out was a complete waste of my time because you categorize who you're willing to """listen""" to and who you aren't; people who agree with you (accepting wholesome mutuals uwu) and those who don't (icky disgusting transphobic BIGOTS no matter how nuanced their opinion is), and therefore you can safely discard any opinion you don't like before it even registers in your brain. It wouldn't even matter if I told you I spent my entire life up until the day I turned 18 being wholly accepting of gendershit and the identity issues that come with it, and then decided on my own it didn't make sense through my own research and experiences, what matters now is that I am nothing more to you than a BIGOTED homosexual CHUD who certainly couldn't denounce the wholesome and pure trans ideology out of a care and concern for anyone or the fact that it is on all levels regressive. No, surely, I am nothing but pure evil with a blackened heart forged in the volcanic canals of satan's ass crack who is so digestible as to fall to the masses who HATE trans people (except the Wi Spa riots happened OOPS).

Did you just not bother to read what he wrote? His point was that sex is immutable. Men can't breastfeed babies or get pregnant. Women can't have penises or impregnate other women. He was arguing against trannies, not for them.

Wrong on every level. Trannies do not and cannot exist in nature. Trannies would never exist, not even after a trillion years of LGB acceptance, if it weren't for israelites inventing them. Trannies had to be created. It's as much of an imaginary psyop as trans racial, trans species, trans age or any other trans bullshit you could imagine. It doesn't exist. It can only exist in the minds of gullible children who have been groomed and gaslit and abused into believing it. Trannies were invented in 1920 by Magnus Hirschfeld. Before that they never existed, and they aren't the natural result of anything. You fell for israeli gaslighting if you think otherwise.

Oh, you're clearly just a troony. Stop trying to mitigate the evil your cult does by comparing your insanity to people who happen to like the same sex.

The slippery slope argument is a self-fulfilling prophecy egged on by people who hate homosexuals (despite homosexuality being found in nature and an immutable fact that it is something you are born with, not conditioned into). The real truth here is that the troony shit is and was always proposed by pedos and actual detriments to society (see John Money experiments) and is honestly just a psyop. The thing is that the whole "gay agenda" was about loving yourself as you are even if that means you were homosexual, but that's not profitable enough. If you love yourself you won't be driven to consume products and get excited for next product (make-up, waxing, cosmetics, hrt, srs, medication). This troony shit has never been, nor ever will be the natural result of homosexual acceptance, it is the direct result of the elite who lines their pockets off of the insecure putting their fingers where it don't belong.

Homosexuality is found in nature, it is genetic, and it is not learned. In a world that looks at homosexuals with disdain and vitriol, who would ever CHOOSE to be gay, when being straight is so much easier and much less likely to get you judged and beaten and looked down upon? Are you joking?

Normal people don't care. Only mentally ill cultists seethe at the thought of two people of the same sex liking each other. Christianity is a israelite cult. troonyism is a israelite cult. You fell for one or the other. Either way you deserve to be skinned alive and fed to leeches.

yeah lets cure downs lmao, here take this autism curing pills lol, have some arm growing shots too kek

That guy's a moron, but it's not innate. The truth is that a sexual appetite is literally no different from a normal appetite. The more you experience life the more you learn to like different foods and different types of people. There's no cure for any of it because you can't really learn to dislike foods or body types unless you put yourself through something traumatic and associate it with the thing you like, but that's simply abuse if you're doing it on purpose. Basically nobody should be ashamed for liking dudes for the same reason they shouldn't be ashamed for liking broccoli. There's literally no downside and all it means is that your tastes have matured and your palate has expanded.

Nobody has gotten aids from gay sex. The drug called AZT is what actually caused aids. Look into it. The man who discovered HIV proved that HIV doesn't lead to AIDs a few years ago. He was unpersoned and his nobel peace prizes were taken away because he proved it was caused by pharma meddling.

Oh, you want to go from the scientific angle, do you? Well scientifically, XX chromosomes make a female and XY chromosomes make a male. So there. There's the scientific take on transgenderism.

You mean you're only going to accept what happened 1 scientific test by one guy who basically lost his license and was called a hack by his own Community because that's the one where two people died? And the Identify female was only female because the study told them to tell that person they was female they never actually identify it. Way despite being a man because they were how do you blame transgender people for thatnot actually a transexual.And The Sibling who was brought up as a boy was always a boy never told they were go but also committed suicide because of that nonsense how do you claim transgender people for that?

You do know that there are actual examples where a human's chromosomes don't actually fit this, right? You could try and call them special exceptions, but if you're really going off science then what you said about chromosomes isn't precisely accurate.

I'm pretty sure trans people are considered and educates even among the LGBT community as in does a lot more gay and lesbian standard trans people. And the point is gender of humans is not 100% you're entirely this at Birth even if it's a extremely rare percentage of people.

trump lost, you have to go back

You're such a fricking moron it actually hurts to know you're allowed to exist. Vivian identifies as male because he is male. There's no such thing as "identifying" as the opposite sex. You are what you were born as and everybody is okay with that outside of your modern death cult that gaslights people into hating themselves. You're basically making a wild claim like "mario is a cannibal!" and then when people call you out you're coping with "WELL YOU HAVEN'T PROVED MARIO ISN'T A CANNIBAL". Fricking have a nice day.

Mario is a cannibal and Luigi likes men

you're fricking moronic. he's 100% male. every single official japanese source calls him a male. his sisters are being mean to him by simply excluding him from their group, not by calling him a man. he knows he's male and doesn't care about that.

You're just straight up lying to push an agenda. Nothing you've said is even remotely accurate. The game itself directly contradicts you.

she literally refers to them as the three siren sisters before being shut down by the others, the character is trans.

After getting her pregnant of course

With a tummy and cheeks like that? Oh yes I would.

Not one drop wasted no matter how full she is

>an artist actually drawing a bloated stomach as a distinct organ surrounded by hanging fat instead of just upsizing everything
very based

You'd think that, but you'd be wrong. If anything she just ends up even sweatier and more winded than a normal person. Shadow Siren physiology is weird.

I think I blew my chances, bros...
[...]
>she'll never plop her rear on your face afterwards
life is suffering

>the follow-up image is indeed Viv facesitting
>but you can't see her love handles or belly from behind/the side
Deej's art is usually boner heaven but he absolutely screwed the pooch there.

Nobody's arguing the Ghost Party member is born biological male in original Japanese video game.What people are telling you is the character identifies as female despite others identifying the ghost as male in the original Japanese version of the video game .Do you honestly expect them to use the gender a trans person identifies as in Japan?

He refers to himself with male pronouns. What else do you want? Does every male character need to explicitly say "I AM NOT A troony" for them to be immune to your dogmatic bullshit?

>ok, post the line of dialogue then (thats all ive been asking for this whole time), general consensus is that she is a trans girl, you better have some evidence to back your claim sis.

Second guy you commented on I'm the guy who uploaded the images from the Mario Wiki site saying that the ghost is transexual my speech-to-text program speak sometimes just stupid and doesn't always stand what I'm saying.

He's obviously mentally disabled.

I have Asperger's and learning difficultiesI can usually League graphic novels fine but in order to make sentences I generally use a computers are tablets speech-to-text program and and not to go over every what I saying that because I don't have time when I'm trying to make arguments with people posting constantly.

>degenerate coomer pedos are addicted to shota and push that view on the character
what else is new?

Chubby pits are made for plundering with dick

And for sticking my dick in and out of

Only with the fact that fat puss can grip

You didn't even read a single one. Next time don't make sweeping accusations if you couldn't even be assed to assess the situation. In this thread we had several based femboy respecters defending Vivian's male femboy honor, and we had one or two disgusting troony cultist insisting that he's a troony because they want to use him as a tool to groom more kids. That's what happened, not whatever dumb shit you made up and posted.

Fricking hell, those ghost boobers...

Maybe they're just hidden until sufficient groping and grasping has gone on. That way you get the best of both worlds.

>no one actually giving a shit about birdo
This. Unlike Vivian, nobody really finds Birdo attractive so calling Birdo a troony or whatnot wouldn't make anyone lose their shit here on Ganker

I did

mario tennis did it for me. then it double downed in Mario kart double dash

absolutely brother. the mario party games are what veered away from her cute feminine charm (even if it was just a highly convincing facade), especially in the later entries. it may just be an appreciation for low-poly models mixed with nostalgia, but whatever the click was for me as a kid, it keeps her dear to my heart.

>the absolute state
it's like a peek at the mind of the likes of jean “not a woman” hollywood isn't it?
fricking schizos man

jesus christ i wish that was me

fricking sexy ghost bawd, take it

>lips
>no vore
bless you for one, boogie.

holy shit you're mindbroken, troony. you got blown the frick out.

Nobody did. You literally made up that little narrative to cope. These pro femboy anti troony pastas that they've been posting are years old. They've been getting posted here longer than you've been on Ganker. Go back to wherever you came from.

uhm acmtkually your post was my post from several years ago and i tricked you into poosting that

you stupid Black person

This is the dumbest cope I've ever seen. Imagine thinking anybody would fall for your pathetic little larp. Are you actually underage or something?

nobody fell for your bait you dumb nig. they just laughed at you for trying something to juvenile.
>UH BUH ACTUALLY 20 YEARS AGO I PLANTED THE SEED IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU SHOULD HATE TRANNIES
>HEH GUES S I WON NOTHING PERSONANEL