Was he right should his movement to try to remove random crits from tf2 have been a success
Was he right should his movement to try to remove random crits from tf2 have been a success
Was he right should his movement to try to remove random crits from tf2 have been a success
Should the rate of random crits increase or decrease?
the crit rate ramp up should 100% be reversed. let players who are doing less damage get a higher crit rate, god knows they need it
shitter noobs should be allowed to 1 shot the homosexual pocket medics
i am dead serious
>players start sitting back and avoid fighting because they want to recharge and preserve their crit chance.
and that means snipers, demos, pocket medics, and engineers get a lower crit change
it's genius
as sexpected of a spy player
The damage is already done, only bots play TF2 now thanks to random crits
TF3 when?
The main issue with random crits is that they're not random
>ruins your casual match
Didn't he just get doxxed?
someone attempted but hit a dead end.
QRD on this guy?
i saw this character earlier this week
why hasn't anyone doxxed this underage b& Black person yet
i believe earlier today someone was attempting to do that here in another tf2 thread
because
>russian
both countries hate each other so you get the luxury of breaking the law indefinitely as long as you're hurting the opposing country by doing things that aren't immediately obvious to an outside average normie
couple it with the host being underage and has "understandably" a clinical "excusable reason" (unsupervised/unmonitored childhood) where the bot hosting arc began, and you have yet another complicated list of confusing excuses to tell the other party in order to pretend that it's no big deal and they should let the kid 'have his tantrum fit and it'll be over before you know it', if not that the people above him are actively aware of his shenanigans, thusly shielding his privacy because they both have a common enemy but with different personal goals
>uncle dane the molester main
I have yet to see Ganker counter a single one of his points besides saying “durr tf2 is a casual silly game so it should have silly mechanics” which he literally addresses and debunks in the video.
Dane won
>I have yet to see Ganker counter a single one of his points besides saying “durr tf2 is a casual silly game so it should have silly mechanics”
Case in point
that is a valid counter, though. whats your counter to that argument?
sorry meant to reply to
Dane LITERALLY addresses that argument in his video. More proof that you have nothing
All because he addresses it doesn't mean he invalidated it
>that is a valid counter, though.
No, it isn't. Something anti-fun doesn't belong in a game just because it's silly and the game is silly.
We hate fun here
The game should be balanced for me and my buddies to have a fun time.
You are a homosexual. Casual is made to not be the kost earmest competition in comparison to a competitive mode. Critical hits break stalemates; a crocket, crit pipe, or a few seconds of flamethrower/minigun can mow down a stronghold quite well. The flow of the game is deemed more important to continue the match and let players play from new positions and scenarios instead of gridlocking some choke for 10 minutes
He debunks that TF2 is a casual and silly game?
The only relevant point is this: are random crits fun?
He says no.
I say yes.
We are never going to agree, it is intrinsic your personality as to whether you get mad or laugh/shrug when a crocket deletes you from existence or vise versa.
I think random crits are funny, Dane started playing after MvM and admitted to only playing engineer for four years straight, we are simply different people. But I don't pretend my opinions are fact and NEED to be implemented into the game NOW because that's the right way for the game to be.
There is no objective answer to this question but the fact of the matter is that random crits are in the game and have been for over 15 years. People who are against random crits want the game changed for everybody to suit their personal desires. This doesn't even make sense because Dane operates more than a dozen private servers with random crits disabled. They are free to play on those.
Why does casual need to be changed for them? Should casual also implement class locking? Disable RBS? These are all things Dane seems to think make the game better, so why not force them on everybody? Oh, is it because that's too different from the vanilla game and not everybody will like those changes? Weird.
I love the element of surprise with random crits
100% true and correct post
No crits and no bullet spread show how fricking infuriating just contending a chokepoint becomes. Scouts also become long range menaces with no spread and then the panic attack gets invalidated too.
Its weird to me that an engineer main would care about random crits,engineer benefits a lot by being able to easily kill spies,but buildings are completely immune to crits,I very rarely died to random crits as engineer,mostly to splash from a pipe.
The class affected the most is by far spy,considering how much higher the chance is for meele, I have died so many times to lone snipers or medics who just lucked into a crit.
random crits aren't not fun
the implementation of random crits, however, are not fun.
good post, maggot
/thread
yet another case of a israelitetuber with an inflated ego
i cheat because it's fun
>Dane won
Crits were never removed so no, Incel Dane won nothing
Hell does the homosexual even still play?
Nobody win because the game has been dead for almost a decade
Honestly this
I love crits but I'd have crits removed tomorrow if the game also got updates, all bots banned, new weapons, etc if Valve gave a frick
Arguing about anything else is pointless
Why can't you people just play on Community Servers. You'd get infinite new hats, maps, weapons, and so on with no bots until the end of time if you just played on those. And if you hate all the servers currently in existence, then it's only like $5 a month to rent a VPS and set up a TF2 server yourself.
>11 years isnt veteran
Uhhh... what is the cutoff?
you gotta own atleast this one to attempt to impose your tf2 gameplay opinions as a fact.
I've been playing for 14 years and still just have the fricking merc badge
I will always be inadequate
look m8, you could have started last month for all i care and come here and say that the gameplay sucks or sniper is OP or crits are shit, and a long etc.
And i wouldn't care because its your opinion and you are free to let it be known, its bad? probably, we would need to argue over it.
Its when you come and not only make them sound as a fact but you start a whole campaighn to let the devs know that they should be aware of them and implement them asap, thats when i will call you a fricking homosexual that got no right to talk.
Even that's not a safe bet, since there's a whole market for grizzled vet accounts
ahhh yes some incel badge is required, playing game for over a decade is not enough because I say so.
Thank God that's not how the world works and 99%+ of the community cares more about Dane opinion over some random Ganker autist
>t.2020 newbie
I played Orange Box on console like a moron(despite owning other PC games) so I can't own that.
It's more of a mentality thing.
If you say "I've played this thing for 10 years, so I kinda know what I'm doing." you've literately said nothing about your experiences. For all I know, you played 10 years ago, took an 8 year break, and are back now.
If you say instead bring up specific experiences in those 10 years relevant to whatever your saying (and, surely, if you are active for 10 whole years, then you should have a lot of relevant experiences), then I give credit to what you're saying.
Someone who started playing in November 2008 gets the same badge as a newbie who started last week
it's fun
simple as
>Random crits teach new players bad habits!
This might be the most moronic point in the video.
Tell me how many times do you actually get a random crit that isn’t from a melee. Then tell how many times it mattered. Then tell me how many times it REALLY mattered (ie. you ambushing a Sniper and getting a random crit really doesn’t matter as much as a random crit against a Heavy who notices you immediately).
Dane honestly expects players to never learn how to play properly because of an incredibly rare scenario, and if it was common enough then it’s playing well because they are winning.
It's not about me having fun. It's more about making you upset.
Crits are fine because an actual good player can account and adapt to situations that change. That's why it's balanced. A good team can comback from unplaned encounters.
Random crits make all the people I want gone from the game mad, so I think they should stay.
Sniper too.
Lmao, he fricking debunks it in a casual game ? Now you can see who is really the fricking tryhard e-sports tier person
>Crits make TF2 more silly!
>"Yeah, well, here's a bunch of other reasons TF2 is silly"
Okay? But you never disproved the original point.
If TF2 is intended to be a silly game to people, then removing crits just reduces the silliness, and thus, reduces the quality.
He literately avoids the 2nd best argument, and admits the best one (it feels awesome to get a crit). Then rambles to disprove all the shitty arguments.
If you c**ts hate random crits in pubs just go to a community server with crits disabled, which I guarantee you 99% of anti-critgays already do already.
>but you can apply the same logic and tell critgays to go to community servers with crits enabled
That logic can be applied when Valve actually gets off their ass and drops an update in over a decade of nothing that removes crits from pubs. This same shit is why I hate compgays so much as well, you Black folk complain about trivial shit but stay in the same circlejerk troon servers anyways that already cater to your shit tastes.
Random crits make the game actively less skillful, so of course shitters on Ganker who couldn't land a frag on the most clueless gibusvision siper if their life depended on it would love them.
How are we still on this crap 6 years later? Solutions were already made to this and yet we still have threads for it.
stop pretending tf2 is esports
i would go even further and remove hitscan weapons
Which ahegaos do I push to write Black person?
The E (5th letter) is off-screen.
That's definitely incorrect. Look at the placement of the spacebar.
1 = V
2 = Y/Z depending on your layout
3 = D
4 = D
5 = _
6 = E
Actually, why did I do this...
you like keyboards
go back
>5 years ago
Why the preaching? Make your own TF2 server and advocate you have no crits, no spread, no fun (which sums up Uncletopia). Or play Overwatch, it was made specifically to cater to people who get an anuryism over that TF2 was not made for them specifically in mind.
No-critters are like prog wokies, it's not enough that they can have their own spaces where everything is just like they want, they need ALL spaces to be the way they want
stop taking TF2 so seriously
why the frick are people acting like tf2 is an esports game? who gives a frick? its a fun casual party game not to be taken too seriously. go play quake if you want an actual fair and egalitarian competitive fps experience
Unforunately for everyone, Valve did. If you are familiar with Valve they take their time with everything but are not immune to bandwagoning. After years of players trying to make Valve organize a proper e-sports venue they just made it themselves, then Overwatch came and Valve saw just what kind of cash they could potentially make. In two swift updates they forced in "levels" on your profile, Quickplay and Ranked (Meet your match) and took suggestions from those playing TF2 competitively on how to balance weapons. Thinking if a weapon was good enough for competitive, it was good enough for casual. The so-called (fricking) "trickle-down balance." This resulted in so many weapons that need a bit of attention was overbalanced into an almost unusable state (Caber, Sandman, Eviction Notice, Buffalo Steak and so on). Many of these were still banned by the competitive community and Valve, like they often do, got bored and went to make a yachtload of money of Dota 2 and CSGO instead.
>This resulted in so many weapons that need a bit of attention
Frick all that got nerfed had a reason beyond
>I noteworthy comp player got assblasted by a spy in a place he shouldn't be ruin the gun >:(
He fundamentally misunderstands the games design as shown when he release the Pyro Video.
He has a certain cause and effect autism where if he feels he wasn't the sole deciding factor in something happening via skill alone its bad.
If not for the bot shit his servers would of been abandoned by all but his most diehard fans.
Frick autistic e-sport homosexuals. I want random crits and stage hazards, and tripping and you shouldn't even be allowed to allowed to turn items off.
>remove random crits
Okay:
>tf_weapon_criticals 0
>tf_weapon_criticals_melee 0
Done. Saved you having to watch a 25 minute long video essay.
Random crits reward you for consistently hitting your shots, while penalizing players who don't know how to dodge/take cover, or intentionally let themselves take "safe" levels of damage thinking they'll live. You can't just rush someone while facetanking their shots and expect a guaranteed kill.
No, killing your opponent is the reward for hitting your shots. Random crits remove the need to continue hitting your shots because they instantly end the fight and declare you the winner (or the loser, after your opponent landed a single shot and received his crit)
Random elements make autists seethe so it's imperative to keep those elements in games.
This.
>Pokemongays try to be competitive
>random crits still decide games anyways
>also random freezes that ruin you completely if you don't thaw out in immediately
>random server lag killing one love characters in Diablo games of sone tryhardgays
Bless you RNGesus for keeping humanity sane.
if i ever made a multiplayer game I would slightly change weapon/ability/enemy stats on a weekly basis
So, an always online game as a service
>pretend to be MLG pro player
>but cant into risk management
>manage risk
>game now becomes an extremely unfun experience where nothing happens
Next you're going to tell me that smashies are moronic for banning 99% of the content
>Next you're going to tell me that smashies are moronic for banning 99% of the content
Yes. the game was designed around that content.
>but cant into risk management
ok
>run vaccinator 100% of the time making the game unfun for everybody
have you tried gitting gud?
>here's a counter
>NO NOT THAT ONE
I don't know why Ganker treats tf2 like some holy cow and that valve can do no wrong
>gitgud
>game becomes unfun because I get random crits all the time
I sure fricking love insta killing everything and skipping gameplay
>risk management
>enemy hits you once
the only winning move is not to play
>i do not like this random mechanic, because its random!
moronation
No
He started playing like 6 years ago
The best solution would be to make comp mode actually good and functional. That way if someone whines about random crits you can just say "go play comp you tryhard"
>you WILL play with random crits disabled
>you WILL play with class limits
>you WILL play solely payload
>you WILL play with random crits enabled
>you WILL play with 8 snipers + 8 spies in your team
>you WILL play solely 2Fort 24/7
The debate over removing random critical hits (crits) in TF2 is ongoing. Some argue they add excitement and unpredictability, while others say they undermine skill-based gameplay. It's ultimately a matter of game balance and player preference. There's no inherent "wrong" side, just differing opinions on what makes for the best gameplay experience.
Players have the option to choose servers with crits enabled or disabled based on their preference. This allows everyone to enjoy the game according to their preferred playstyle. Whether you enjoy the excitement of random crits or prefer a more skill-focused experience, there's a server out there for you.
Exactly. This shit was solved long ago yet somehow these threads still pop up. Valve hasn't touched this games balance in a long time and it'll stay that way till the sun dries up.
frick off GPT
The bot is playing the long game. If it can convince you to come back to TF2, then it'll try to convince you to fight it MvM.
Using a Pokemon allegory to make his point was the dumbest part of the video considering that game has random crits too.
so the argument becomes, this mechanic sucks and the pokemon games sucks.
what's the problem?
>Removing Skill Shots.
>wants to make game more competitive
>plays the aimbot dispenser
Frick no, look at the absolute fricking state of online multiplayer gaming IN GENERAL these days catering to moronautists like him
0 trust
0 organic communities
Every major game ships with rootkits to just barely try and fix the cheating issue because the focus has completely shifted away from being about fun
And more importantly the pile of bodies underneath TF2 CONTINUES to grow to this day 16 years later, and all they can do is cry helplessly that an impossibly high percentage of the actual userbase is bots.
And this is getting away from that historical TF2 competitive has been SO fricking unpopular they came to the 6s format just to make it easier for them to even FIND 5 other morons that want to play a stripped down less fun version of tf2 for $250 because they have no pots.
Literally none of that has anything to do with random crits, which make the game worse.
Random crits were never fine. They've been hated since day one. They were a bad idea, implemented badly, and the game would be more popular without them.
Yeah everyone hated random crits so much they stopped playing, that's why the game continued to peak in popularity.
It has players because it's free and new people install steam and the game. It would have many more players if it didn't have random crits
It's true. "Random crits are fair and balanced" is one of the oldest memes in the player base
Amazing how brain dead you are
Not surprising how much of an argument you don't have
Don't need to argue when I know I'm right
>They've been hated since day one
lolzers
>They've been hated since day one.
i didn't
It's just in the cycle of appeals to authority
>All the PRO players don't like crits
>Well all the REAL FOR REAL OLDgayS don't like random crits
Similar thing happened with the
>Very real for real oldgays vanilla servers in 2013
That were a plague on Ganker
random crits are acceptable, because by default TF2 doesn't punish the player for dying or losing a game since the intended way to play the game is casual, not competitive, therefore losing because of crits isn't that big of a deal. not everyone plays to win, and Dane makes the mistake of confusing the destination (winning) with the journey (shooting and/or killing people and having fun doing so)
You forgot dancing and enemy gamers and causing the enemy team to mass killbind
>game is fine for years
>compgays that don't even play on casual servers start asking for changes they themselves already made in their own servers
no, luck is a factor in any game.
dane has proven himself to be a moron (remember when he said meet your match and comp would revive tf2, lmao) and anybody who simps for him is either extremely underage or a sweaty tryhard to that is to moronic to play actual comp games and want to force tf2 to be a comp game which doing even the basic requests for them has proven to be a massive disaster
Dane being a moronic gay has nothing to do with random crits being shit and unfun
It's still hilarious that TF2 had been going down in playercount pretty consistently from gun mettle all the way through meet your match (with bumps during halloween, you know, cause it's actually fun)
And then when the summer update dropped and brought VSH it completely blew all the way up to its newest all time peak
I appreciate him unifying fans of the game together and having a string of servers that are well populated to play if all else fails. That said, he's not letting on to how much of a groupthink hothead he is. He believes that Zesty dogpiles content creators because he tells people to go vote and comment on workshop items, what the workshop was designed for, and has no balls to step out of the echo chamber of all the #SAVETF2 to realize the movement was too softballed to do any good for anyone. I think he must be like 20 years old, he sure acts like it.
I've found it very funny how much other tf2ubers and their fans try and take zesty down just for him to be pretty wildly vindicated by the warpaint situation and the summer case.
Also he was I beleive the biggest of the bunch to not fellate the face.it guys which the rest of them all got paid off and have since super duper memory holed it (only one I've seen mention it was big joey and he whitewashed the shit out of it like it was a valiant attempt that didn't work instead of a paid promo he suckled on)
That all said, the video of zesty fricking seething at jpeg shitstomping him is forever hilarious
100% agreed
Zestys a little annoying but I have to side with who I think is truthful
Random crits are a pain in the ass but now bad enough to remove them.
Fricking fix random spread though, it's literally just changing a single command from 0 to 1.
square patterns are ugly
Random crits would be bad in a competitive game, but TF2 is more of a party game like Smash Bros.
Random crits are bad for TF2 in the same way random tripping was for brawl. It's anti-fun.
Sperg deterrents are anything but antifun
Crits are fun as frick
Casual party game, go back to CS or CoD
>B-But
Go back, not the game for you
Then they shouldn't have made the rest of the game NOT moronic. Make valve decide the winning team randomly at the start of the game (more silly and random, like you subhumans want) and I'll stop playing.
>plays casual unbalanced shooter
>WAHHH REMOVE RANDOM CRITS
>WAHHH REMOVE BULLET SPREAD
>WAHHH REMOVE DAMAGE SPREAD
>EVERYTHING SHOULD BE 100% CONSISTENT AND PREDICTABLE
go play cs you homosexuals
Dispenser goin up
Random crits are necessary so that scouts learn a lesson the hard way not to jump right into a medic's face or they will get crit ubersaw'ed thus giving the enemy team free uber and a free kill.
Nah
if it weren't for the random crits, good players wouldn't randomly die.
Your definition of random changes to suit your situation
That's just another positive, it's good to knock pubstompers down a peg when their 20 killstreak is cut short by a crocket from a knuckle-dragging laptop player.
That won't stop them completely, they'll just respawn and continue fragging.
How does this guy make a living? He says he doesn't work, he doesn't stream, and he only shits out like 5 videos a year. How many views a year do you need to make to live off of ad revenue?
Nah, TF2 is good precisely because it doesn't have competitive game balance meta autismo all other multiplayer games are mired with and is instead random and unpredictable. Crits are a facet of that.
lt's not "his" movement but you're too underage to know that
Random crits exist in real life
this debate has been ongoing for 12+ fricking years
move on
What does he look like now?
Who still plays TF2? It's infested with cheaters and bots, and Valve is never going to add any meaningful content ever again. Let it go.
Random crits are fun, that is one of the best things about TF2.
Random crits are a reminder not to take your casual match too seriously. Competitive players tend to overestimate the value that pure skill-based competition has to the average person, and as such think casual play must be in service to competitive onboarding.
ummm NO
it's a party game like smash not a shooter. it doesn't need balance.
The game is designed around crits and would take a lot of changes to rejigger the game to work without them. Crits are also a fun part of games a lot more serious and tactical than TF2; the goobers down at my LGS play Battletech every week, and they practically live for the big moments where someone gets a random headshot with an AC/20 and instakill basically any mech.
He's just like every other TF2 talking head: they hate unfettered fun because they're armchair pseuds that put an arbitrary sense of "balance" above everything else, and they take the game way too seriously for what it is even though they can't hack it in the actual serious leagues. Therefore, casual gameplay has to have the life sucked out of it so they can feel like they're big boys when they're playing in the kiddie pool.
Random Crits and Shotgun Spread are integral to the game tbh. Disable one of them and its an indirect buff to many classes.
Random crits are solved by having a defensive playstyle. A Pyro hard counters soldier. A medic negates the crit damage. Soldier buffs let you counter.
It definitely isn't competitive, but it's no less anti-competitive than the random uphill miss chance in dota 2. Crits are fun and force adaptation to the scenario. Solved games aren't fun; look at melee if you want a game without rng. Reducing a game down to 1v1 fox only final destination kills the game harder than random crits ever would, and it's why appealing to compgays is a lost cause.
They should remove random crits and replace it with random dpi adjustments for mice movement.
Removing random crits wouldnt fix anything because wed still hear the same arguments but instead of "removing random cris would improve the game" to "removing random crits ruined the game"
Well actually it would move to
>Why this weapon that does only 20 damage is overpowered and Valve needs to ruin it right now reddit please do your thing
Which they did move to, because Valve fricked up and actually listened to them one time and they have been terminally inconsolable
I don't get it. Every person in the server has an equal opportunity to roll for random critical hits. They quite literally are fair and balanced.
random elements make competitive games more fun
competitive elements make competitive games less fun.
Fun trumps all, even the "skill expression" compgays will insist is most important. True skill expression accommodates the risk assessment that random elements introduce.
I’m just gonna say it.
I prefer random crits over guaranteed crits, especial the kritskreig.
From my perspective, I get instantly vaporized and pretty much random too. Suddenly being hit by a random crit is not so different from rounding a corner and finding a random krits boosted Demo+Medic combo or random demoknight with full charge are crit distance.
However, unlike krits, diamond back, Demoswords, Sniper, Frontier Justice, etc., Random Crits still force the enemy to “engauge” normally. Since they don’t know when they’ll get a crit, they have to play normally. With guaranteed crits, you can just fight someone knowing full well they’ll die in 1-3 hits with your shots.
why do tf2 tubers always have the shittest opinion's and cause there fans to mindlessly believe what they say like there also this gay who made 3 vids b***hing about the scortch shot a weapon no one complained about until he started complaining about it constaliy tells pepole the others flare guns are better and should only play with those and desperately wants valve to change the weapon and acts like he knows better than the devs
It allows a less skilled player the chance to beat a more skilled player in one of a couple dozen encounters that make up a single game. This is ultimately very healthy for ensuring that new players have a good enough experience to stick with the game, which is good for the veteran players since it keeps the game alive. Games need new players entering at all times. Also this game was popular for an extremely long time so clearly they did something right.
Nobody makes youtube videos about video game opinions that are universally seen as true.
i think this guy's alright if super whiny
I remember him calling someone a homosexual in his rebalance server livestream lol
He literally sounds like he posts here or god forbid on the TF2 general on /vg/ which is an even worse mess.
I hate this guys videos because he always comes off as pretentious & obnoxious and his attempts are humor are really poor
reminder that fishdick literally got sent to tard school when he was a kid, and admitted this on stream
really?
he doesn't seem that fricked
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huh
I was thinking it had to be an emotional issue since he seemed at least avg int
clicking through the video reminds me of the more recent ones I popped in on
dude just doesn't seem happy playing the game, very paranoid even
bit of a wound collector
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oh man he is worse than I remembered
>watching old Jerma videos
>he's talking about the new scorch shot
>talks about how everyone hates it cause how low the damage is
heh
I purposely use this to make people seethe (it works).
When shounic did the test where your gun glows when your next shot is a random crit so that everybody realizes you have it it barely changed the balance at all. Because theyre still random crits and you will still sometimes just get gibbed. It would be nice to know when a medic or sniper has a melee crit ready to go so you know now to engage them up close.
are there any servers that have that plug-in?
The plugin might be on sourcemod, he doesn't run it because the test accidentally revealed it doesn't actually change how people play.
game has been separated into casual and competitive for a reason moron
No he's a homosexual. Valve listening to morons like this is what took a lot of the magic out of TF2.
crits are still there, dane lost. all fields
Also I just remembered Incel Dang is wrong because the Cowmangler/Bison is literally set up to make use of the crit bucket mechanic, so managing your crits is a skill.
You deal out damage with the Mangler and then switch to the bison or other secondary to spend your crit chance.
Same with stock revolver
What prevents you from playing on my server, Ganker?
That's actually a pretty funny story, like a year ago I think? My little brother caught one of your admins playing as spy disguised as him running to his spawn. He got banned for "wallhacking" lmao.
his beard looks like a cast away beard
Yeah, he should probably comb it if he's going to let it get that long.
Some of us have real jobs, Zesty, and you keep streaming when we're at work.
does he work from home or is he like a contractor?
because I know he does work in his field of study (geophysics or something?), but he also very often streams during what would be work hours for most people
I'm not 100% sure either, but I assume he's employed through his university. Those kinds of jobs are purely academic anyway, and I knew a couple of people with that exact set up when I went to college.
dr livingstone please go back to the congo.
dont these servers have the gay gestapo on it? im not getting banned because i pissed someone off and he bans me for being "gay"
who are you even
>random crits remain in casual
>most oldschool players eventually leave
>modern userbase is 99% bots, tradegays and third-worlders
Dane got proven roght, huh
Trying to change the base game 15 years too late is moronic. Go play a nocrit server and shut up. If anything the concept of "whitelisted" servers should just be removed then you won't need it to be THE mode.
>I'm going to seethe about design decision in a game more than a decade old
Unironically just get over it and play something else
Crits need to be replaced with something. If you brought back grenades from TFC I'd be for it, but there's a dimension of stalemate breaking you have to replace. The skill floor is too high.
literally just remove the increased percentage you get when you deal more damage and keep it at a flat 2% and we good.
Don't nerf the bison you dunderhead
The crits should stay because if you care about competitive integrity, you'd play a more competitive game in the first place.
You chose TF2 because you find it fun, so anyone who likes random crits are are just as valid as anyone who doesn't like it. You wanting to not be randomly punished is your own insecurity, not some divine law of life.
people who hate random chance in games are almost always autistic.
everything MUST be the same each time.
they worse, they're casual autistics. They act like they want it the same each time but they will not play a truly skill based game or genre.
>RNG in an actually esport
>noone complains, present in multi-million dollar tournaments
>RNG in hat fortress
>must be removed from the casual mode
Why are the tf2 comp players so up their own asses?
Nobody has liked them (collectively) for 16 years.
Also they actually tricked Valve into listening to them for 2 years, so there's trying to convince them to come back and be their adult baby sitter when the mean man uses the funny gun on them in the videogame
>Terrorblade is running towards your base and picks up a DD on the way
>band kids: the game
>raises the skill ceiling on one of the most popular mechanics in the game immensely
>pros demand it get nerfed into the ground
I've seen nothing but scoffing at it though, that its a noob-trap
>comp gays complaining about the fact that they actually have to aim
cheers
No, random crits are soul. Only sanitised zoomer logic thinks otherwise
truth is, shitters only defend crits because they think it somehow triggers comgays
If your strategy is proving them right, it's working.
Reminder that Random Crits only benefit Soldier and Demoman the most.
If they were to ever nerf random crits, make them less effective on those two classes specifically and ONLY those classes.
I am dead serious
Don't forget that compgays literally create their own medals for fricking playing a game. Imagine giving yourself a medal unironically for playing some match in summer of 2007. Like you have to be so narcissistic and diluted to do that. That's why you shouldn't play this game so you dont feed into their ego, let them swim in their own shit for decades they deserve it.
It's not so bad anon, if the user server infrastructure wasn't dead, you can use those medals to automatically boot those people from your server if they're in their inventory
So mini-crits
>le all games should be like chess
would the random elements be enforced for that chess?
if yes, that sucks so i won't play it
if no, i'll ask to play without the random elements and play it, if i'm asked to go host my own game because that's not how things run around here, i'll go do that and invite people incase there are some who finds randomness to be bullshit because i find it to be a lot more fun without the random elements present
The random-crits-bad crowd also all refuse to play any of the original maps the game was actually designed around.
The modern, matchmaking paradigm leads to people who literally cannot understand that TF2 was built around stalemates. Push was meant to be hard. Taking a single point was supposed to take a large part of a match, since a competent team could defend very well. Gameplay was static, and random crits were there to create variety in a static system. THIS is the way that TF2 is a fundamentally casual videogame. It's not casual because the funny fat man says something silly, it's casual because it's designed to create a deadlocked situation you could spend as much time as you wanted to trying to solve, or trying to stop the opponent's attempts to solve. Crits serve an important function within the casual design.
But no, we just need to argue about if there's other whacky things or how it makes us feel, right?
Really I can't think of anything that brings up red flags any harder then if someone actually claims "2fort is a bad map"
Turning TF2 into a serious and competitive game was the first mistake. Look what happened to it
>we need to rebalance 25 year old game
Why
Well if you technically want to get into it, it'd probably be good if we un-fricked the weapons that got completely broken to the point of nigh unusability in gun mettle through jungle infungal
because e-celeb said so
the beauty of TF2 is that with the power of user hosting if you don't like the RNG mechanics you can simply disable them
>On linux
>have to play 64bit beta or have an entire second steam installation
>Only option to play TF2 with the rest of the playerbase is through my steam deck
>last I tried to run the beta on my Steam Deck it literally just wouldn't run
fug
Random crits are fun and balanced
Ill die on this hill
ouch thats gotta hurt.
especially when I never had this issue on my mint machine
Yeah eventually, it's coming for you but I'm a dummy and got bleeding edge.
ouch.
i guess ill need to mentally prepare for it then.
Well maybe? it won't show up until 64bit ships.
I'm not really sure when debian is getting llvm16 and then Ubuntu, and then mint.
I started to think TF2 slowly died after comp match started
who play tf2 as 6v6? if 9v9 (like highlander), that would be cool. and after love and war update weapons are mostly useless
who use classic seriously?
I play spy and have a mentally handicapped friend who plays soldier, I tell him to bomb the guy with the gayest hat I've ever seen and he does and the guy has a schizo meltdown because 90% kritz and 30 health
sometimes I tell him to press mouse2 when he's wearing blackface and some poor frick halfway across the map spontaneously explodes
He's a noob.
Also just enjoy modded servers
No need to change the base game
Fundamentally random crits are healthy for the game, both casually and competitively.
Only the midwit complains.
Casually it's "haha guy go boom haha"
Competitively it forces you to manage risk in a more concrete way and not a "I can take this many hits" kind of snoozefest. Variance is healthy if it doesn't greatly outstrip skill. And no amount of "whoops he got a random crit" will be game determining.
being instakilled by a crit rocket after a long ass walk from spawn is moronic and gay, but i do think they break stalemates, getting through a chokepoint can be downright impossible with how stupid teammates can be so a good crit can fix that
honestly, i think i'd be fine with them if the competitive mode actually worked and there was a place to play a bit more seriously, where an uber push and communication is actually more viable to do the things crits are needed for in casual
>Play Engi
>Crit every wrench hit
Yeehaa
>get in a gun fight
>shoot the other guy in the chest which goes clean through not hitting any vital organs
>get shot in the chest
>pierces your heart
WOOOOW RANDOM CRITS MUCH
how does this work? ive never played that much tf2. is it like pseudo rng procs like in dota
When you attack you get more chances of it being a crit.
Engi sentry and Medic healing counts why both have stupid high crit rate when it is the same %
>Was he right?
No.
He was.
>YER
Cloak drain was unnecessary and that's it
>Dragon Fury
Is bad cause it got hitbox changed/nerfed, it has nothing to do with airblast which was a legitimate downside
>Bitches about low hanging fruit like Gunslinger when fricking Wrangler exists
Do sc**t 'mains' really?
Gunslinger is several times worse than the wrangler, moron.
Eh, it only really got bad after they made mini-sentries repairable.
Compgays were worse for TF2 than the bots.
They could've: Made the Crits static (25% crit = 1 in every 4 shots crits no matter what.) As an example for comp mode but keep the random crits on for casuals. Two different game modes and ways to play anyway. The strat will be to land some shots and miss some to get the crit to destroy opponent if that happens.
There's no point in removing random crits because you can already fricking do that in custom community servers. However this particular homosexual wants it removed from the game permanently across all modes.