We all know the solution to the localizer problem but none of you will take that first step.
We all know the solution to the localizer problem but none of you will take that first step.
We all know the solution to the localizer problem but none of you will take that first step.
I already did. How does this solve the localization problem when everyone I want to discuss the game with has played some fanfiction version you moron?
I feel this the most with FF7R.
You stop hanging around normalgay circles for a change.
But if I stop hanging out on this site I have nowhere left to go.
Simple: you get a better circle of people with whom to discuss them.
Step 1 is learning the language and cutting out the shitty versions of games from your life.
Step 2 is realizing you need to abandon most English speaking people as well.
You go on 2ch? Lol
I just come here to make EOPs seethe
It's actually the opposite, the localization problem is vastly overstated because people who played games in different languages will be able to discuss them just fine among each other
You didn't you moronic monolingual moron, anyone who learnt japanese doesnt give a frick about what low iq morons consume(this is you buddy)
see
nihongo ga dekinai
i did my anki vocab cards once and then just forgot about it since. i know a very tiny amount of japanese, probably more than most from just watching anime/playing games with subs but definitely not even at a preschool level or enough to communicate/understand messages being conveyed via text or speech
manko o daisuki
o is a particle used with transitive verbs. daisuki isn't a transitive verb, or even a verb at all.
>manko ga daisuke
is what you wanted to say
*daisuki
>Watch sub anime
>Words just blur together
>Start getting used to reading and learning basic vocab
>Can now suddenly start hearing the individual words even if I have no clue what they are saying most of the time
What the frick is this?
>t. obvious american
Congratulations!
You are now experiencing a basic language learning process.
Japanese is literally just a set of one-syllable sounds mashed together. It's easier to pick apart individual words than most Euro languages.
I think jap is very easy on ears, it's those fricking moon runes that frick me up. I can barely read two lines of text in my first language without them blurring together and jap even worse, I look at what, hiragana(?) and I'm like I think I know this one, and then I find out it's a different one than I thought. Seriously, frick those asiatics with their moonrunes, they barely know kanji themselves. Adopt romaji you gays.
at least hangul is relatively simple to read and speak. that language was specifically made for the commoners.
Yeah, I was looking at hangul structure and thought hmmm that makes sense, I even for a second wanted to learn it, but then I don't need asiatic language, I don't like how it sounds.
>but then I don't need asiatic language
that's a stupid reason
>I don't like how it sounds.
that's a better reason
Do Koreans like Americans? Our nations have good relations with each other.
>I think jap is very easy on ears, it's those fricking moon runes that frick me up
Same here
How the frick am I supposed to commit mass genocide with no money or power, moron?
Japanese grammar made zero sense to me until I saw oyasumisushi videos on tiktok
I'm ok with localization
>Symbols usually have two readings onyomi and Kunyomi
Alright
>You pick the reading based on where the symbol is used and what is surrounded by (With exceptions)
Gotcha
>There is multiple of each reading
Right...
>There is also times where a reading isn't in the standard onyomi or kunyomi
FRICK.
Then again english has weird obscure pronunciations of common letter combinations so I'll let it pass.
https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html
wow, I thought I was a pretty good speaker but there's a lot of words here I've never seen.
Imagine wasting your time learning dead language lmaooo
how do i learn english? teach me the ways
I'm replaying Gyakuten Saiban right now. Explain to me how I can exactly solve this problem.
The fanbase will always be a bunch of burger eating morons that they unironically wanted localized anime subs and the same localization for a fan translation of Gyakuten Kenji 2.
By far the worst thing AA localization has done is make Maya use Larry's nickname for literally zero reason rather than just have Mia make up his own and have Maya catch on to it during their last phone calls, which is what actually happens in Japanese.
what? I don't get it but then again I didn't play AA
I just want to understand your post
Maya calls Phoenix "Nick" because that's what Larry calls him for some reason.
Mayoi (Maya) calls Ryuichi (Phoenix) "Naruhodo-kun" (doesn't have an immediate translation but you can get close with "Wrighty") because that's what how her sister addressed him in phone calls, which makes sense since she doesn't even know Masashi (Larry).
thanks dekinai-chan surely the japanese version of all my favorite games i haven't played because localizer teams now dictate content to japanese developers will have the changes reverted magically
damb i didnt know dekinai lady was a 2hu
I'm a moron so it's been a snail paced journey for me. It's nice being able to understand basic convo though
There's no point in learning it because Japanese society, media and culture is pozzed at the source now. Also AI is literally gonna solve translations anyway. Just consume old media and ignore the current thing.
AI is being trained by the lunatic localizers that are shitting up everything. moron.
>none of you will take that first step.
I did but now I hardly have time to play because I'm too busy fricking studying. Games feel like i don't get enough out of them a lot of the time to be worth my time vs something else.
tell me where to start
https://gohoneko.neocities.org/
best of luck
I'm watching the Pokemon anime raw (never watched it in in English when I was a kid) and god damn is it full of soul. Then I go to pixiv to find jack off to Kasumi and Musashi, but 99% of the art is horrible gaijin shit, and pixiv refuses to add a gaijin filter.
I can tell that you've not got to the Johto filler yet
>can read Japanese text almost perfectly
>go full moron when hearing it
How do I train my hearing comprehension?
Watch shit with jap subs. Read and listen at the same time and you'll start picking up the sounds easier.
Listen to japanese for 4 hours minimum a day. Any less and you're not going to make it in a reasonable amount of time.
By listening more. Without subtitles. Watch TV shows, pick one you like and watch it over and over and over and over.
If you're reading subtitles, you are not listening at all.
Every time I start I find myself losing interest by the second month of kanji. I just don't have that good of a memory and very few of the symbols are recognizable to me in a logical way.
I bet none of you guys are even N1
japanese are homosexuals, not learning their dead useless language. Of course, this doesn't mean translators can do a shit job.
AI machine translation is probably going to be good enough in a few years to fix the localizer issue. I just want to learn japanese because I love weeb music.
i realised i don't care about learning japanese when i realised you can't "just learn to read" a language, you have to learn to speak it. i don't even like speaking english, i hate talking to people.
>you can't "just learn to read" a language,
Yes you can. Most Japanese learners on Ganker can't output to save their life but can read visual novels.
I'm ESL. It took me years of reading books on various topics and unironically lurking here before I could reliably put my thoughts out there, in proper written english. And I'm still culprit of relying on memes or internet lingo to get my point across, sometimes. I'm already at the stage where I can somewhat read japanese comfortably, but the output remains outrageously difficult. It's possible to get there, but if my past experience with the english language is anything to go by, it will likely take years before I'm able to interact with japanese people. And that's only online.
>will likely take years before I'm able to interact with japanese people.
Why would you want to do that?
people who have never been to japan are just unaware of how boring japs are
their media is basically the only worthwhile thing about them
People are mostly boring no matter what language you speak or which country you visit.
To deepen my understanding of the language, their way of thinking and whatnot? It's always fun
Having a native speaker who's willing to smack you on the head for your mistakes is like cheating in learning a language.
Nip pussy
You don't need to know the language for that.
> 30 minutes of Anki
> 30 minutes of grammar or reading
> 30 minutes of immersion
As a daily schedule it's been pretty good for slowly chipping away at the language. The big mistake people make is just doing Anki or watching anime in isolation hoping that they'll eventually "be ready".
if you only have that little time you should spend all of it reading, or all of it immersing. Eventually anki will start to eat up too much of what little time you have and kill your motivation to continue. A far as grammar goes, reading will solve all of that. So would just listening, just going to have to get to the point where you can pick out what you don't know with your ears and look it up.
That's just my minimum. I've got 85+ hours of Atashinchi that I binge in the afternoons for multiple hours per day. I even ripped the audio. It's been very helpful for hearing the language.
>want to learn japanese
>don't actually want to listen to or read anything in japanese because its boring
Eventually you'll run out of good white people porn and games and get desperate.
latina porn >>>
jav is fricking trash, most of them don't know how to frick, the dudes are way too ugly (inb4 gay), the covers look nothing like the actual video, censorships, laying fish syndrome, cringy situations and dialogue and finally the dolphin noises. Not saying all jav is trash but the average western porn is better than the average jav, especially amateur. 2d on the other hand...
>the covers look nothing like the actual video
This
The amount of photoshop they use on these b***hes is fricking ridiculous.
the only people I know who learned japanese are VNgays
Hey don't forget RPGMslopgays
Even if those are getting translated way more now
>the moronic westerners have discovered VIPRPG
it's fricking over man... in the next 4-5 years it will be fricking ruined by wannabe posers who aren't part of the culture and who don't even understand it.
>catposter
>is moronic
How does this keep happening
Why would you even want to learn a language if you don't enjoy anything you could apply it to? As far as "learning for the sake of learning" goes there are more fun languages to waste your time on.
so people stop making fun of me on Ganker
>3000 hours to fluency
Is it really worth it?
>3000 hours
>average anime episode is 22 minutes
>3 eps per hour more or less
>have to watch 9000 episodes of anime to become fluent
>you could watch the entirety of the Pokemon Indigo league, orange islands, and johto league and barely be 2.5% of the way there
what the frick man...
There are levels to fluency man.. you can reach a flow state at a lower amount of hours than that, and then the rest you won't even notice.
In reality if you watched pokemon for 9000 hours you might not even reach full fluency because that show is rather basic and is made for children. If you optimize your practice you really only need 1000 hours at most.
if you only focused on pokemon and learning it's vocab and shit, you'd be fluent in its core vocabulary after watching a season or two.
achieving the type of fluency where you can just pick up anything and understand its specialist lingo like switching between a legal drama and a sci-fi movie like a native is harder to achieve, but having fluency is just one subject is much quicker to achieve.
3000 won't even get you halfway there. It's more like 10 thousand.
I live in japan and have a big booba jp gf, I'd say so
No.
t. im fluent
You mean 3k hours to become an N1 ape who can barely speak and write in japanese. Double that if you want fluency. When learning japanese your goals have to be clear, otherwise you're gonna waste 1000s of hours on shit you don't need. I live in japan so I need everything, but if I were just interested in playing games I'd cut down that time to maybe 1200 hours.
actually a good point
how can we expect a translation from someone who doesn't even know the difference between "lose" and "loose"
I don't want to spend 10k hours just to barely be able to understand very basic sentences of this ridiculously complex language.
I finally got to a level where I can read or watch nearly anything I want but now I'm 30 years old and have no interest in anime and realized all the light novels I wanted to read as a teenager are poorly written trash. Feels bad.
peach ga daisuki
>like four different writing systems, two of which are exactly the same but just look different
>even though both can be used to write the language in its entirety they use a third system in combination with the first two making everything pointlessly complicated
Why are japs so fricking moronic?
To be fair, the Kanji writing system is actually makes things a whole lot easier to get when you know the symbols, because there are a ton of words made up of the same sounds that need to be differentiated in writing.
Kanji are cheat codes to understanding japanese.
The real challenge is the grammar and their phrasing.
How does that take 3k hours to understand?
>decide againts grad school in japan
>lose all motivation to learn the language even if it would still be useful
japanese is moronic, why the frick is it so context sensitive
The only one that makes sense is second one.
頭が赤い、魚を食べる猫
頭の赤い魚を食べる猫
頭が赤い魚を、食べる猫
頭が、赤い魚を食べる猫
頭の赤い、魚を食べる猫
you can more or less make sense of these with proper particle usage/punctuation (although the later three are just far too moronic)
>know japingpong
>play true nippon harakiri version of game imported from play asia
>games are still censored
>script is filled with memes
i did, like 10 years ago
most of the time i wasn't actively studying but i got my N1 and am reading umineko in japanese right now
still intermediary and can't output shit though
Even native english didnt triggered that much over bad grammar by ESL. Does this website filled with English teacher or what ????????
I played some mhdos and hunted with some nips
I think one of them laughed at me for making a mistake. messed up a tense and said tbh and he was like tbhwwwwww. it was very embarrassing. most of them are very pleasant company
Learning Japanese does not solve the problem, only sidesteps it.
Localizers still control the perception of Japanese games in the USA, and Japan loves to gargle the USA's wiener, therefore as long as the USA is poisoned Japan will continue to deteriorate.
*to clarify, learning Japanese is good
but it's a tool, not a solution. You need to use that knowledge to attack localizers afterwards.
Right we need a solution to the Localizers question. A final one.
One option is to infiltrate the industry yourself. This is one of the things learning Japanese actually helps with in terms of destroying localizers.
Another is that it's easier for you to use that knowledge to make simple and accurate comparison images to highlight blatant rewrites and changes. But that means you're gonna have to go to twitter to post them, because that's where everything happens nowadays.
No, I will not. GPT-5 will save us.
Nihongo jouzu wwwwww
It's not gonna solve the localizer problem because you still have foreigners telling Japanese devs what to do. By the time I learn Japanese, every new Japanese game or anime is gonna get Americanized. What's the point of learning a language for over 10000 hours if this is the end result?
>"JUST LEARN THE LANGUAGE, EOP"
Okay, localizers are now working with Japanese devs and the final product is now globalized, was it worth it to pretend to ignore how shitty localizers are just so you can be smug on EOPs?
Not my problem. All the classic japanese games you haven't played are all there for you to revisit. Do you seriously expect modern slop to be good? Keep making excuses not to improve your life braindead EOP
>All the classic japanese games you haven't played are all there for you to revisit
Can you provide examples of the classic games you are talking about?
Games with fanservice like DOA, Senran Kagura or Onechanbara adds to the overall package. You are delusional to say otherwise and I refuse to take you seriously.
>you're part of the reason why modern games are shit and you deserve the current state of the industry.
Ironic from someone who said pronouns and lack of fanservice are "superficial".
Everyone that keeps focusing on the past is just making excuses for white flight. You are not providing an actual solution, you're escaping from it.
You know the main reason people learn languages is classic literature and niche untranslated movies? It's completely normal to want to experience old things in their original language and learn to do so. This has nothing to do with fighting anything. If this is the only thing that's keeping you from starting to learn then you're simply making excuses to justify your lack of passion, "everything is bad now" never stopped anyone looking for knowledge.
>Games with fanservice like DOA, Senran Kagura or Onechanbara adds to the overall package
They have nothing new to offer aside from fanservice. You're consuming slop in a colorful wrap that you like, no different from a gacha player paying for jpegs because they have boobies and feet on them.
>slop
entire post discarded
>consuming slop
Stopped reading here. anyone using "consume" and "slop" with anything regarding video games or anime is genuinely moronic and not worth listening to.
this but also include "safe," "comprehension," and "wit"
>oy vey I've been found out better disengage while I still can!
No wonder you Black folk never take a stand and only complain.
Why are all wannabe japanese so uppity? It's silly, but they are like manlets for some reason always angry about something, everytime I see JSL he is seething about something or acts like a huge c**t
Because most of ~~*them*~~ are brownoid turdworlder who wasting their 20s to learn a language country that despises brownies the most.
I guess so, they never go "knowing japanese is helpful, you should learn japanese, anonbros, if not whatever", it's always "eopeopeopeop, eat shit", you'd expect people to be more healthier about their hobbies, instead they are seething constantly for no reason, acting insecure and offended all the time. Whether it's Ganker, Ganker or /vt/
By the time you learn Japanese you'll have the entire history of Japanese video games up to 2024 available to you, including those that never got localized, more than enough for a lifetime of vidya.
he doesn't care about videogames though
>you cannot stop the rot, so just sit in the past forever
What a cheerful mindset.
>let's pretend only modern day media exists just so I can justify not learning a language
Quite literally ngmi.
>so I can justify not learning a language
where did I do that?
The original question was
>What's the point of learning a language
so I answered that. People learn languages for old shit all the time, hell people learn actual dead languages just for the hell of it.
Yes you have a point, but focusing mostly on the past is honestly just white flight. I am not gonna play every single video game before 2024, I know I'm gonna play games like Dragon Quest or Metal Gear in Japanese since they offer different experiences, but if I'm looking forward to new stuff then I'm out of luck because it's gonna be pandered to Westerners. I already played all the cool PS1 and PS2 games that fit to my tastes, and I want Japanese developers to make the games they like without some gaijin executive or localizer telling them that fanservice is bad or this is offensive to women or whatever.
I think old games are the only ones even worth learning the language for. Modern ones have far worse problems than superficial shit like fanservice or pronouns, like gameplay being the same shit we've seen for decades and writing being too safe. One might say it's the same with cinema and literature and is the case for most languages.
>Modern ones have far worse problems than superficial shit like fanservice or pronouns
Not gonna take you seriously if you actually call fanservice or pronouns "superficial shit".
If you're willing to play a shit game just because it has fanservice you're part of the reason why modern games are shit and you deserve the current state of the industry.
>bothering with modernshit when there's thousands of older games that would be accessible
Fricking normalgays
>We all know the solution to the localizer problem but none of you will take that first step.
Total moron War, as in "harass companies that hire these localization companies until they stop using their services the way people on the other side of the horseshoe do whenever there's perceived injustices against minorities in video games?" I think it could work, but Ganker does not hate localizers enough to do it. They just want to b***h about them online and partake in the forever culture wars
You can't call for raids or dox localizers because jannies will ban every thread regarding that.
Who said it'd be coordinated on Ganker? Everyone knows that every fricker on this imageboard uses Discord or some other chat client. There's a million Stellar Blade threads (formerly Debra Wilson threads, formerly Sweet Baby threads, formerly Baldur's Gate threads, formerly Bayonetta 3 threads, etc.) a day, you know this shit never actually ends or gets stamped out.
I think Ganker does hate localizers enough, but its hatred of twitter also causes a stalemate.
This tactic only works if you're willing to go to twitter to harass companies. And the majority of Ganker is not willing to go to twitter.
>And the majority of Ganker is not willing to go to twitter.
Majority of Ganker are on twitter already. Remember, this place is overflown with phoneposters using KurobaEX
Nah. People love to talk ABOUT twitter, but they hate actually going there. The actual twitter users are a minority. That's why screencap threads get so much traction. Wouldn't be interesting if the thing shown in the screencap was something you already saw on your own.
Other sites do the same with this one. They LOVE Ganker screencap posts but hate actually coming here.
>The actual twitter users are a minority
Twitter is where you go to read the post, Ganker is where you go to screech about the post where the Tweeter can't easily dox you (before getting doxed themselves)
Right, and those people who go to read the post and then post it on Ganker are the minority. Or do you think every single thread is made by a different person? You don't really believe that, do you? Threads are already made by a minority of people in the first place, most anons don't make threads, they only post in them. Even more so twitter threads. It's always the same handful of people who go to twitter looking for posts to bring back here.
Imagine a town where everyone is constantly talking about lions. You say "everyone here owns a lion, because they're all talking about them". But the truth is it's just 10 rich guys bringing lions from somewhere else and parading them around as exotic, so everyone keeps talking about them.
>Or do you think every single thread is made by a different person?
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of posts on Ganker were algorithmically generated by one guy for the sake of starting flame wars with the other 20%. You just can't fricking tell anymore. Everything Ganker does is so predictable that I might as well be using an algorithm chatbot (i refuse to call it "ai" because it is not ai), it's not like i can tell the difference
>well why do you still use Ganker?
porn. that's all it's good for any more. even then anons have shit taste for the most part.
You're too narrow-minded. You think someone would need an algorithm to hoard the thread-making. You think there aren't people autistic enough to do it manually and that they haven't been doing it for like a decade or more.
>You think someone would need an algorithm to hoard the thread-making
I didn't say that, just that it would not surprise me. Besides, it's much less time and effort than doing it manually, and the theoretical guy isn't THAT much of a no-lifer, right?
>and the theoretical guy isn't THAT much of a no-lifer, right?
Barneygay, ACgay, whoever the frick the lolcows surrounding Final Fantasy are, I never kept track of that, bikinischizo, arrestgay, flightsim gay, there are more that elude me right now but you get the point
why don't they just hire japanese who knows english rather than mutts?
Where do I start?
Hey I took the step recently at least. Pretty shit at it but at least I can safely say I'm past N5
Reminder that if you actively participate in these threads, you're confirmed NGMI
I play JRPGs in Japanese but everything else is too much of a pain in the ass to play in Japanese. I want to turn my brain off when I'm playing some silly action game, not have a dictionary open on the other screen. Kind of ruins the flow of the game
That's good. The latter will get fixed with time anyways as you keep using the language and stop needing the dictionary crutch.
>changes the source material, so even the Japanese version will be adjusted for Western sensibilities
Behead all localizers.
lately i've been doubting if i'm gonna make it bros...
i need to change my habits
does just listening to hundreds / thousands of hours of nip actually work? i can understand like 30 to 50% of the words but not much of the meaning since i'm missing too much
No.
i really don't care about exact 1:1 translations but i feel like that's what we need because any variation from that seems to lead to "translators" thinking that they're better writers than the guys who wrote the game, which usually makes them embellish shit or completely intentionally change the context of a scene, if not a character's entire personality. maybe japan has a good thing going with overbearing strictness, it's like the moment you give someone any agency in their job they act like they run the fricking show because nobody's around to wrangle them into doing their fricking job correctly
>The solution to the problem is ignoring the problem and moving away.
>the problem
There is no problem to begin with. Westerners shouldn't be playing japanese games in the first place. The real issue is japanese companies wanting to expand and sell outside of their home. You don't deserve japanese games troony
Obviously instead of taking matters into your own hands you should cry about it as loud as possible. That always works.
it literally works for the other side
well, the other side doesn't have a certain group of people holding them down by going
>no!! that's cringe!! don't complain about that, you're being cringe!! you're gonna make me look bad!!
so maybe that's the difference
>it literally works for the other side
because they complain to the right people. why do you think kiwifarms got deplatformed like seventeen times in the past year or two? a few dipshits screeching at a company's twitter does nothing, but "talks" with (thinly veiled threats towards) a tech CEO's wife is a good way to sink a ship overnight. this is actually how it kept happening to KF, by the way
Okay, now we're talking. Give me names. What people would I need to "talk to" to get results?
here's an easy guide to follow if you want to strong-arm people much bigger than you are into doing whatever you want. as for "who do i talk to," literally just the CEOs wives. nintendo, sony, etc. if they have shit that gets translated, they have people you can shake down.
>1. be in the industry
this won't work if you're not in the industry. the anti-kiwi crowd movement has been progressed by tech nobodies. influence is not a factor or not as long as you in all unironic honesty
>2. proclaim yourself as a transgendered individual under duress
you're not going to do this, but this is how shit gets done. you have to call it "girl talk" although you are not a girl, et cetera. this is right out of their playbook, and it is a tried-and-true method they use to this day. if you want an alternative to this, you are on your own. if you can not play like bugs bunny and put on the skirt, you will be elmer fudd's dinner.
only reason i posted this in the first place is because i know that nobody on v is going to actually try it. this is no "call to harrassment" bullshit, this is a "you are not going to do this straight up" post. i say it because you lot, as loud as you are, are simply too civil for it despite what twitter homosexuals say about you.
And yet years ago a certain group of people who nobody took seriously at the time came for conservative fricks yelling that you're a freak of nature if you play vidya and wanted to censor everything, and wrestled control over the narrative from their wrinkled hands. I wonder how THAT happened?
The way you worded your post makes it sound like you're against me somehow, yet what you're saying is in agreement with me.
All I'm saying is taking action is what's needed to rise to power and being "held down" by someone isn't something that should stop you. Maybe if they had Ganker and twitter in the 90s they would've also just settled for endlessly complaining on the Net and that'd be it.
"taking action" is not learning japanese, though. At least, not entirely. Learning Japanese would just be step 1, not the ultimate victory.
lol, video games are getting pozzed way before the translation part. If you're learning nip just for videogames, you're wasting your time
I did, and now it takes me 3x longer to beat games because I'm still not fluent.
>We all know the solution to the localizer problem
Yeah, firing them all.
Is it bad if I can read Japanese perfectly fine, but I can't remember how to hand write them at all?
I can remember how to write the really basic kanji like 人 or 中, but anything slightly more complicated like 語 or 曜 my mind goes completely blank. I can read these kanji and I know what they mean, I just can't hand write them from memory.
Is this a sign that I'll always be a dekinai? I mean Japanese people themselves rarely handwrite kanji themselves unless they're a student, right?
they can't write for shit, don't worry about it, do you even need that stuff? Everything is on keyboards now, and keyboards practically use hiragana/veiled romaji shit.I'm talking out of my ass btw
if you don't practice writing you won't be able to write
did you not have to drill your ABCs as a kid? you think you'd be able to write today if you hadn't done that?
>did you not have to drill your ABCs as a kid?
yes but there's a difference between
>26 letters, A - Z
and
>46 hiragana characters (if you include those weird combinations like しょ then it's closer to 100)
>46 katakana characters
>THOUSANDS of kanji
It's not as difficult as ignorant EOPs make it out to be.
The only time that sucks is when you're between 1500~2500 kanji learned "intermediate hell" which is literally only solved by reading a shit ton and learning lots of vocabulary as you build strong memories.
Learn how to write the Kangxi radicals and you'll be halfway there. You can look up stroke orders for stuff you don't know. Be sure it's on a Japanese website because Chinese people write many of them differently.
Yes, you don't know Japanese.
What does this have to do with video games? This isn't your blog.
Do japanese people struggle with english as much as we struggle with japanese?
I've met a lot of japanese people who speak decent english, but I've never met a gaijin who actually speaks decent japanese
Maybe japanese people are just more determined because they know english is worth learning while japanese usually isn't
Yes
the people who can speak it well have usually lived abroad
You will never be japanese.
have you never seen a Japanese person speak English? among countries that try they are quite possibly the worst English speakers on earth
I am not japanese but ESL and english is piss easy to learn compared to japanese
also one huge advantage of english is that everything is in it
through your whole life you will pick up english from everywhere
is the "only the first few hundred kanji are difficult, after that it becomes easier" thing actually true?
If you just sit down and mine vocab for 1 month (in kanji form if available, 15-20 words a day) and look back on the knowledge you acquired in that time period, you would find out for yourself that it is true. That should give you the confidence to continue on with the process.
The only people who complain about it are people who have never actually tried because they're afraid of it.
According to my math, it'd take me 31 months. I'm so old already so who cares. In 31 months, I might be dead.
I'm already in my 30s, its too late for me to learn japanese. If I started at 20 then maybe I'd be alright but I was busy fixing other problems in my life. Now that I just barely got my life together, I have no motivation or energy to learn japanese. I haven't watched an anime since kill la kill ended, and I didn't even like it that much. Not to mention I dont even play games anymore, I'm just tired of everything, I'd much rather wallow in my trauma and watch everything burn.
>japanese is full of words that dont follow any rules that you can't sound out and you just have to remember
>WELL IN ENGLISH THEY HAVE OBSCURE WORDS NOBODY WILL EVER SAY TOO!!!
In english you can say Opple and people will know you are talking about apples. There is also no meaning to epple, upple, ipple, or ypple. Its actually hard to mispronounce a word and get another meaning in english. And for the ESLs that are going to reply, I am not talking about homonyms. If you think "then" and "than" are spelled the same, it doesn't affect speech.