What are some lesser known abrahamic critters? Leviathan and behemoth sure, even ziz. Legion, lilims, thrones, seraphim, cherubim are all known entities.
But for example, there's also something called the alukah which is of dubious authenticity, name means "horse leech" that does what the name implies, but is also used to describe one/a species of demon which is descended from lilith. So already you have some ripe narrative potential here if you wanted a campaign against Lilith for example. You have the gigasuccubus on the top of the pyramid, her functionally sexy daughters as minibosses, and the alukah as the misbegotten third-generation minions, probably shit like an amalgamation of leech and female human anatomy, all fricked up.
And you probably know about the Nephilim, the apocryphal offspring of a breed of angels, the Grigori, and mortal wives. But did you know the nephilim also had their own quarter-angel descendants called the Elioud? Honestly they're kind of in the same area as the Alukah in that they're an even lower tier descendant of a big monster but yeah, there's a bunch of cool little stuff in the lore which can be used for adventure fodder, hoping anons here can contribute with more stuff.
le biblically accurate angle has arrived
>le biblically accurate
Yet they always show Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones but leave out the other 6 humanoid angels, almost as if they cherry pick evidence to criticize Christianity.
>criticize Christianity
Victim complex of yours
>Yet they always show humanoid angels but leave out seraphim, cherubim, and thrones, almost as if they cherry pick evidence to make Christianity appealing.
Umanoid angels have been the mainstream depiction for 1000's of years, complaining that people have finally started depicting other kinds of angels in the mainstream is kinda dumb
Not when people do it just because they think it's fashionable to call everything "Lovecraftian."
>Lovecraftian
You don't even know what that means.
No, I do and that's the point. People think it's cool to call everything vaguely weird or non-humanoid "Lovecraftian." Have you never seen some dork going "actually, Biblical angels were Lovecraftian freaks covered in eyes and on fire?" It became hip because people are obsessed with subversion but misuse the terms they think make them so smart. Are you also one of those idiots by chance or did you miss the point of my post?
I do wish that settings had the scarier looking angels be more helpful towards humanity, but I think people usually go "Oh, we shouldn't be afraid of them" in regards to the less human forms. At worst, they're usually depicted as haughty and uncaring.
What's this?
pictures of "Angelic Form" demons from Wayne Barlowe's hell novels
>Wayne Barlowe's hell novels
Thanks anon. Do you have any other books that might help us that you could post please?
Is this one any better than God's Demon?
Because everything that wasn't worldbuilding sucked in that one, but I kinda want more of that setting.
I find it roughly the same equivalently but if you didn't actually like the character arcs and narrative of God's Demon you won't find any additional enjoyment out of Heart of Hell
I'll stick to the pictures then.
Thanks for replying anyway.
>criticize Christianity
anon, you moron, they just fixate on those depictions cause they think they're neat. not everything is about you and your victim complex.
Dude, calm down.
The other six aren't actually described in the Bible, so we have no real clue what they look like. They're depicted as winged humans in art because that's how gods where depicted in greco-roman times, and the later artist where aping what came before.
what about the wheels facing all four directions by intersecting each other, and not having to turn to move in those directions? I buy the eye part, but it sounds like this is stretching harder to interpret it as a chariot than taking it at face value.
Humans without wings?
An anon made a list of Biblical creatures some time ago. I don't know how complete it is, but I saved it.
Thanks anon. Do you remember where you got this? Maybe we can find more stuff in the original thread.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/71000683/#q71000683
Saved
My personal favorite Abrahamic entity is the peri of Islamic myth. Islam, being the third and youngest iteration of the Abrahamic religions, has the most stuff for inspiration. Some suggestions.
>Lilin - Hostile night spirits from the Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch.
>Mashhit - Destroying angels. Infamous for their killing of the first sons in the final plague over Egypt.
>Shedim - A bizarre one as it has gone through the ringer of being a being which is evil for not being of God but not necessarily malevolent then into a truly malevolent entity then back into a more ambiguous one as it became the Hebrew word for "Jinn" or "genie."
>Mazzikin - Invisible demons/angels which cause either minor annoyances or harm. Disputed whether they are true demons or dolers of punishment by God. Probably started out as the latter then devolved into the former as Judaism was affected by Zoroastrian dualism.
>Sulak - Demon of the shitter. It strikes when people are in the restroom in israeli myth.
>Hinn - Other frickers besides humans, jinn, angels, and devils in Alawi Islam.
>Houri - They bring faithful Muslims to paradise. They are the "72 virgins" you get after martyring yourself in the name of jihad.
>Peri - Benevolent, female spirits in the process of seeking penance so they may enter heaven. In Persian myth, they were associated with mischief, but garnered a positive connotation in Islamic lore making the term "peri" great for the concept of an arisen demon or devil in worldbuilding.
>Nephilim - The offspring of the grigori (sect of angels) and human women. The term is a good placeholder for "aasimar" if you are worried about copyright.
>Cambion - The offspring of a demon (usually an incubus/succubus) and a human. The term is a good alternative term for "tiefling" if you are worried about copyright. (cont.)
(cont.)
Also look into the Zohar, Bahir, Testament of Solomon, The Lesser Keys of Solomon, and the various scattered Gnostic texts and codexes though be warned: these are related to mysticism and occultism more than traditional Abrahamic texts.
Other resources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_angels_in_theology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_theological_demons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spiritual_entities_in_Islam
https://israeliencyclopedia.com/articles/1521-angelology
https://israeliencyclopedia.com/articles/13523-shedim
http://avesta.org/angels.html
http://www.yeziditruth.org/yezidi_scriptures
And while not Abrahamic, I do believe Zoroastrianism is a great religion to check out for inspiration, and tacked on a bonus link at the end of my link dump for some Zoroastrian angels. I also added a link for some Yazidic stuff since I do not believe anyone has heard of it tbh, and also worth a check-out.
>ziz
Is he the patron of all those who lift alone?
It’s supposed to be a giant bird IIRC. Basically the being that rules the skies like Behemoth rules the Earth and Leviathan the waves.
It's a shame its name isn't as badass as Leviathan or Behemoth. I can see a cult worshiping and taking human sacrifices for either but Ziz? It sounds almost harmless.
Ziz is also known by the names Renani or Bariuchne, if either of those work for you
Both of those are nice enough, I suppose, but Ziz isn't bad either. Not every mythological name needs to sound dread-inspiring to modern ears. As a side note, the nephilim faction in Dominions 5, Ashdod, got my noggin jogging a few months ago and it's been stewing since. What do you guys think of an expansionist, "aztec-style" bloody empire, where things have a babylonian flair and instead of the usual ritual sacrifice, it's a symbolic mass consumption of human captives?
>nephilim and their diluted descendants rule over masses of slums from a handful of temple-cities, practicing blood sorcery of a depth and intensity known nowhere else
>they launch constant raids into nearby and distant lands to capture fodder for their hunger, with handfuls of disciplined, massive warriors, packs of chimeric abominations that should not be, and hordes of slaves driven on by terror
>their society practices a form of ancestor worship where only the angel-blooded are venerated and humans are seen as cattle, in a caste system, and the creator deity is acknowledged but viewed as anathema and the religious goal is to dethrone them
Very droll, basic shit we've all seen before but how do you think I could spice it up? I'm thinking subjugation of more conventional nature entities could be interesting: satyrs pressganged into service, treants bound by agonizing ritual, dryads forced to tend crops, and so on, and instead of the expected zeal, there's a sense of atavistic hedonism, the giants doing what they want and referencing the creed afterward. They see the world as clay waiting to be shaped and their angelic ancestors as on the brink of escaping and making reality theirs. Meanwhile their priests are meticulously discovering new secrets, abusing them in unspeakable ways, and deepening the wrath that's bound to come down on their heads. To keep things from being too onesided, I'm tempted to have the deity that created their original ancestors be either dead or gone in disgust.
It could be interesting if there were a class of human organizers/administrators (priest caste maybe?) who actually run the show. The cannibal giants are too busy being hedonistic to really be bothered with the whole running an empire thing so they view this caste as too useful to kill not realizing that they've essentially just become a tool of war/suppression.
Could add an interesting dynamic where the giants pay lip service to the idea of overthrowing God while their priests make a great show of kowtowing to their "angelic masters" while actually using them to stay in power long enough to get good enough at the blood magics to overthrow them.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Ogre-Gods
That was my inspiration thanks for the link.
That should've been Hinnom, not Ashdod I mentioned as the inspiration earlier. The idea of the giants being manipulated from the shadows is definitely something I'm going for, the blood magic, itself being a fundamental perversion of life, subtly corrupting them while their lineage drifts further from its divine origins. The rephaim claim that the fall of man is inevitable and their warbands shatter and ransack cities with hideous regularity, but the nephilim are few and dwindling, for every giant there are fifty men to fight them, and every generation, they grow slightly weaker and slightly more deformed as the sorcery to hold onto their might is stretched farther. Your mention of a human priest caste has me thinking, they're likely obsessed with purity of their blood but as they're all male, due to the influence of their angelic ancestors, there's no way to prevent its dilution. To deal with that, they place a massive amount of stock in astrology and the stars of a given woman and only a few are able to meet their exacting criteria, born on such and such day, in this or that season, and only view their offspring as legitimate, as opposed to the more numerous bastards spawned by the degeneracy of what amount to a mob of hulking thugs with no foresight or restraint.
Because it's a fantastical setting, I'll say astrology does work to a degree and most of the sons of these women take after their father, with most being giant and only some deformed, aberrant mutants, whereas bastards with no astrological concurrence are far more inconsistent, only some giant, some only massive, and many deformed, some beyond any degree of humanity. Since this gives these women an immense amount of influence and the giants themselves largely have no care for scholarship, I'll reason they're a caste of their own, head-and-shoulders above even most of the giants, and naturally, birthing the angel's descendants, it stands to reason they would know the angels better than anyone else, so they're priestesses presiding over sacrificial rites and doubtless elbow-deep into blood magic. The rephaim, being convinced of their supremacy, naturally have a few giant high-priests presiding over their mothers but these few have been driven to madness in the fevered search for a way to free their ancestors or are otherwise abusing their position without any thought to the future. This leaves them completely free to orchestrate the direction of their society while encouraging it to new, vile heights. Left to their own devices, they'd rage against the world and burn themselves out in a handful of generations, but under their careful guidance, their anger is directed to weaker, sustainable targets that just so happen to happen to enrich the temples and prolong their violence. If the average giant were told the priestesses were controlling them with false prophecies and manipulation of select brutes, they'd believe it was either impossible, as they're only human, or that it was only natural, as they're priestesses and the high-priests are too preoccupied with their studies to bother with the micromanagement.
Meanwhile, any amount of progress the high-priests make to actually freeing their ancestors is quietly pushed aside or undone as wise priestesses whisper avenues of research that can only lead to dead ends, as they know that if they free the angels, their astrology will be made irrelevant and their own position of power would be rendered moot. Some of the rephaim suspect a conspiracy of this kind but can't act as they're the most consistent source of new giants and in most likelihood, their own mothers, so they dismiss the thought and try not to think about it or worse, lash out at their neighbors. All of this is background nonsense to justify more interesting fights and tactically varied battles (we use ACKS) for my players than dive-bombing dragons or frail, squishy wizards but it's helpful to think about. Fun, too.
I wasn't thinking about it at the time but now that you mention it, Charn was definitely an influence. An ancient empire steeped in the occult, slowly falling to ruin while the land decays around it. For sure, an absolute aberration that Should Not Be.
Charn?
>Hey kid wanna /ss/?
Considering her taunts to Peter in the Dawn Treader movie, I'll take this as semi-canon.
>Shit's on fire, yo.
>Consider the following
Isn’t she a giant/Djinn hybrid IIRC? That’s a possibility that we could explore, like maybe a nephilim having a child with a Djinn, or a demon.
Oh, so this is where Wildbow got their names
Yep. Zizs main name, Simurgh, is actually from the persian Shahnameh, a collection of myths from before they were fully taken over by the arabic muslins. Simurgh is a giant wise bird that gives council and aid to heroes.
he's the patron saint of saunas
nothing in your post is obscure, better luck next time
>no prostitute of babylon
what the frick bros
>And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great prostitute that sitteth upon many waters:
>With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
>So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
>And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
>And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
>And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
>And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
>And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space.
>And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.
>And the ten horns which thou saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
>And he said unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the prostitute sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
>And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.
>lesser known
Every other grandpa that's read Revelations rants about the prostitute of babylon.
She's in Fate for frick's sake, nothing in that series is obscure. At least not once it has been added to the game.
Why couldn’t we have her in the main FGO game? And what exactly did they do with her, is it actually a good take on it or not?
All I know is she takes Goetia and Tiamat's place in the arcade version of the story. This apparently pisses Tiamat off enough to side with arcade!Chaldea since 1. Mother Harlot is stealing her schtick as a beast coming from the sea and 2. She already lost to Chaldea in the main timeline so she won't let someone else defeat them here.
She's Nero. The entirety of Revelation tends to be interpreted as anti-Roman/anti-Nero screed that has become less obvious as we get further from it's historical context. Fate having already genderbent Nero this gels rather nicely and they rolled the Beast of Revelation and The prostitute of Babylon into one entity.
Pretty sure Nero still wasn't blonde.
Most paintings portray him as a redhead. With a neckbeard.
he was /b/-tard millennia before /b/
As was the style at the time
Most muslims also have a neckbeard.
Redpill me about the neckbeard.
Muhummad shaved his mustache because he was tired of crumbs getting stuck in it, so now durka durkas the world over don't grow their mustaches to be more like the prophet.
/tg/ needs an autosage function after a certain number of days, like /qst/.
And of course shes a blonde white lady.
I've heard the prostitute of Babylon was based off Ishtar. whom is believed to be the inspiration for Astarte and Aphrodite.
Where did you hear that? And who the Hell is Astarte, I’ve only heard that word in relation to 40k.
Astarte, also known as Astaroth, was a Canaanite fertility goddess mentioned numerous times in the Bible
Why would the Imperium use her name then? And why isn’t she more well-known today?
nu-lore has the emperor's chief geneticist assistant be named astarte, i suppose fertility works as shes a she
A concept that fascinates me are neutral Angel's, that is the third of angels who say on the fence during the war in heaven. In Dantes inferno they were cast into Hells waiting room essentially, cursed to be naked and forever chase a blank banner and stung by insects. Which if you ask me is overly punitive, the actual demons that rebelled are at least in charge in hell. I've heard it said though some monks would retcon legends of fairies to be neutral angels, which makes a lot more sense to me, being cast out of heaven but not condemned to hell.
Theres also the houri in Islam. You know the 99 virgins you are supposed to get when you die in jihad? Well the Houri are the virgins. They are supernaturally beautiful, and so pale they are translucent AND YOU CAN SEE THEIR BONES. What exactly houri are is unclear as they are only mentioned in ome passage in the quran, and in Islam there are only meant to be three races, humans, djinn and Angel's. Also jo mention if there are male houri for straight women or gay men.
Also I figure the sons of Cain would be good fodder for inspiration.
>I've heard it said though some monks would retcon legends of fairies to be neutral angels, which makes a lot more sense to me, being cast out of heaven but not condemned to hell.
Wasn't that basically a pyramid scheme on hell's part where they had to provide mortal victims in their place or be damned themselves?
https://writinginmargins.weebly.com/home/the-fairy-tithe-to-hell-in-scottish-tradition
Again a later addition the the myths but yeah
I dint think so. I believe the idea of demons is they tempt the kind of morally inferior people likely to sin to sin so they need out the unworthy for god. And such sinners get punished and sent to hell as a result. Satan does this to get back at god, while god allows ot because it's part of his mysterious ways. Meanwhile demons are punished by having to live in hell to do the punishing.
>Which if you ask me is overly punitive, the actual demons that rebelled are at least in charge in hell
Fence-sitters can eat a thousand dicks. When shit hits the fan you either pick a side or people should assume you are worse than the other guy. There's nothing worse than someone whose allegiance is undecided. You can at least expect the opposing side to do everything in their power to oppose you. They're consistent. Neutral parties are unpredictable and unpredictable elements can be some of the most harmful.
And the rebelling angels and demons aren't really in charge of hell. It's still their own prison just as much as it is their domain.
Look especially nowadays I understand the sentiment of 'frick the enlightened centrists' (oh one side is trying to dismantle democracy, and the other side has hipsters and wants to raise taxes, I guess everything is 50/50 I can't tell), but still, the whole point of the Inferno is that the punishment is meant to fit the crime. Pride is considered the deadliest sin so it's the center of hell. Greed, Lust, and Gluttony are considered less bad because they are excesses of love, which is supposed to be good and so are less shit.
But all the neutral angels being banished to hell, even if it's the least worst part of it still seems too severe and dictatorial. Again the guys who did side with Lucifer are at least in charge in hell while being condemned to live in it. I prefer the explanation that they are what became faeries, instead the neutral angels are banished from heaven but not condemned to hell living on earth as chaotic neutrals which seems much more fitting to me.
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Well, IIRC, Dante took liberally from Greco-Roman mythology. So you have a precedent for using those if you need to.
Religious doctrine for a good long while is all the stuff in the pagan myths still happened. It's just that the gods and spirits were all demons tricking people into worshipping them. After all there was no rational basis in the middle ages for people to go 'okay the bit where king midas is given donkey ears by an annoyed god clearly was made up and didn't happen, but the bit where Moses parted the red sea clearly did'.
Though I think itd be more interesting if the pagan gods were a mix of good, evil demons, rogue or neutral angels than just a evil demons.
What about creating your own Abrahamic-styled monsters and/or naming them? Like, is there a way we can add to the Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz trio and make a quartet? What about creating new types of angels, or naming members of existing types of angels?
I think the concept of demons being fallen angels is rather under-explored in fiction, at least outside of Lucifer's personal pissing match with God. I read a book written as if it were Lucifer's diary, detailing his thoughts and actions throughout the biblical narrative and subsequent human history. One aspect I thought was kind of neat dealt with internal rebellion politics. Getting kicked out of heaven en mass didn't endear the rebel angels to Lucifer and one of them started stirring shit. He got into a deathmatch with Lucifer, who makes a point in the commentary that physically they'd be evenly matched. But Lucifer had bathed in the radiance of Big G for eons and just a bit of that power still clung to him. He ended up breaking the other angel's equivalent of a spine, paralyzing him for life and cowing the others.
Much later, a junior demon/fallen angels tries to curry favor with Lucifer by nudging humans to devise more creative and effective ways of killing each other. Lucifer is immediately suspicious because the angel had always been an overly-earnest idiot savant with a passion for nuclear physics. Never a problem back in heaven, but here on Earth humans had been making steady progress in that area. Surely even this moron wouldn't have been careless enough to lend a helping hand. Lucifer almost executes him on the spot after finding out he had coaxed Einstein into noticing special relativity and mass-energy equivalence.
It's one of the reason most works either focus on hell, or if they focus on heaven it's with god having fricked off r being evil. That sort of divine internal politicking is fascinating.
Name of book?
The Lucifer Diary, by Lewis R. Walton
Apparently the Bible also mentions fiery flying serpents whose bites burn like fire named Saraphs which, while sharing a similar name to the Seraphim, are not the same thing.
They are likely inspired by actual snakes such as the Israeli saw-scale viper or carpet viper given their deadly venom, where they live, and their color.
Which passage is that? Also, thanks for telling us about the real-life snakes.
Isaiah 14:29
Isaiah 30:6
The winged serpents are more prominent in the Bible than the seraphim people now think of. Those "seraphim" only appear once, and it may be a mistranslation. Instead of a proper name, it may just mean "burning (zeal for the Lord)"
Just post "how do angles in your setting".
You are that transparent
Well personally I'm fine with eyeballing them, but there is something to be said for geometric precision
Stop being so obtuse
Abbadon's Locusts from Revelations always struck me as pretty wild.
there's some good Abrahamic inspired stuff(though it casts a surprisingly wide net in it's overall influences) in this book;
https://edgydemifiend.itch.io/aleph-the-strange-and-monstrous
even the Alukah get used in a fashion
If fallen angels / demons can change their form, then all mythological creatures are Abrahamic critters in the sense that they're really fallen angels / demons lying and deceiving people.
>shedim: an unfinished race, the shedim are formless shapeshifting spirits whose only "fixed" body part is their chicken legs. they can fly, turn invisible, spread disease and see the future, but they are ultimately mortal and have the potential for good
>tzephardeah: aka the plague of frog (singular). a frog kaiju who bleeds frogs
>chalkydrie: rain angels. resembles a writhing mass of winged serpents tangled together
>allukah/bouda: werewolves/werehyenas known for forging cursed objects from the iron in blood.
>the lamed vav: 36 secret saints who hold up the world. if even one of them is killed or corrupted god nukes the universe
Aren't the shedim the inspiration for genies?
Djinn are grandfathered into islam from pre-Islamic Arabic beliefs.
they're a regional variant of genie, and fill the same role in judaism that genies do in islam. However, christianity uses "demon" in the same contexts, which paves over a lot of moral ambiguity.
In christianity, Solomon is heroic for binding demons like Asmodeus. in judaism though he's villainous for enslaving the shedim, including his own half-brother, Asmodeus
Okay, since when are they siblings? Also, aren’t you forgetting how wise Solomon was supposed to be?
Jews.
The four beasts of Daniel - a lion with eagle wings, a bear (regular old bear, lmao), a winged leopard with four heads and the final one is a dragon with eleven horns. Importantly, they're all canonical unlike the apocryphal enochian garbage that I see in these threads every time. The lion stands for Babylon, the bear for Persia, the leopard for Greece and the dragon for Rome - the four empires that the israelites have suffered under.
Why a leopard for Greece? Last I checked, they weren’t exactly common there.
How many dragons have you seen in rome?
At least one, but then I killed it.
A favorite of mine are the Abyss Locusts. Not very lethal, but they can cause a bunch of pain.
I often have Abaddon/Apollyon as an edgy angel girl in stuff with her. It's an angel and not a demon, damn it.
Well, Behemoth for the Earth and Leviathan for the seas have been mentioned already, as has the Simurgh for the skies, but what else can we do or add to that trio? I mean, there’s Earth, Water, and Air represented here, what can we do for Fire besides a generic Dragon? And what about lesser creatures that serve each of the greater beasts like a Lord, what can we do there?
The Leviathan was sometimes portrayed as having a Hellmouth, and its description in the Bible says that its breath could boil the oceans.
They're more terrain than they are elements. So if one were to extend the concept I think the best option would be some kind of spacefaring Beast of The Stars.
Ziz for the Skies. Simurgh is a different mythology.
It's like saying that you have Behemoth for the Earth and Jormugandr for the Seas.
Alright, so they used the wrong term. Still, do you have any suggestions besides that Star Beast one?
>I mean, there’s Earth, Water, and Air represented here, what can we do for Fire besides a generic Dragon?
ENTER
https://thebookofrevelationmadeclear.com/revelation-bible-study/dragon.html
There's something that follows from the a priori assumption of Creation that is very rarely tackled by theologians or authors. In fact I have only ever seen it approached at in a meaningful way in two works that I can recall. That is, Oblivion.
The idea of an entropic sentient non-existence that paradoxically came into "being" as a side effect of God's speaking reality into existence in the sense that turning on a light creates shadow (not-light) where the light isn't. This entity "predates" Creation, in a sense, but is not exactly uncreated like God himself is, because there would have been no "conscious" reaction to God's act without himself having first done so.
This entity would be unfathomably malevolent in a way that even the most despicable of demons could not even comprehend of being. Satan himself does not long for nonexistence and the absence of awareness, he merely wishes power and dominion over lesser beings, and to supplant his Creator. Even the way the movie Dogma handled Azrael's suicidal gambit is not quite so evil as what I am speaking of, and that is, of course, Tolkien's Ungoliant. But also in Wayne Barlowe's Hell series of novels (The Heart of Hell, specifically), Abaddon who resides in a primeval Hell that existed before and beneath the Hell that is the abode of Lucifer et al.
This has vast significant BBEG potential.
This was a villain in Supernatural, IIRC. She was kind of lame.
my guess is because some random PMSing female isn't as interesting or threatening as a Lovecraftian abomination
You can make an interesting female eldritch abomination, though many of them tend to be yanderes. Supernatural is just heavily limited by its budget and being Live Action, so it never feels as grand as it should.
Regardless, the empty void has been used as a villain quite a few times, but I don't think that's really the case with myths. It's usually portrayed as an endless, chaotic black ocean that the gods spawn from.
Who is she? And how do you write interesting female eldritch beings that are not yanderes?
Chiyo Hasanuma from ANM.
>Regardless, the empty void has been used as a villain quite a few times,
What settings have done it well? Can you please recommend some?
>What settings have done it well
God, I fricking wish I knew. It's a cool concept. Most of the time it's portrayed as a neutral force. I guess Marvel's Symbiote King, but that storyline was a bit of a mess.
Stephen King's the Dark Tower mythos.
he said "done it well"
TODASH
The Void and its multiples incarnations are the primary antagonists of the Feals Chronicles RPG. It's quite an interesting setting, different from most fantasy universes. However, it is french and I don't think it ever was translated, which is a shame.
That sucks, English should be used for every RPG. Anyway, can you please elaborate further then, for those of us who can’t read French?
Isn't that just like D&D abyssal demons?
I really liked Wayne Barlowe's take on demons. They are kind of like dark elves from D&D/Warhammer in that they aren't inherently evil so much as their long lives work against them by preventing the generational turnover that could enable their society to get over shit that happened eons ago, so their grievances pile up over the ages and warp them, and the oldest and most aggrieved individuals who rule Hell ensure that newly spawned demons are socialized to be shitheads. But they also have a dark nobility to them and are capable of true friendship and similar relationships while still being abominable overall, and most of them still adhere to a sort of mangled version of the chivalrous code they followed as angels.
>an amalgamation of leech and female human anatomy
I remember that dojuin
Didn't you get banned, bumpgay?
Serious question, do you literally have no sense of shame?
Qlippoths are evil spirits, akin to modern interpretations of demons.
Shedim are not-holy (but they vary on the good and evil scale) spirits, akin to traditional demons or Japanese kami.
Satans are the proper term for devils, Devil was singular satan was not. Hence Lucifer's title "Satan of satans".
Is that where they got that in Devil May Cry?
Which part? I never played any dmc games sadly. But also probably, yes.
In the last one, DMC5, the central problem is the sprouting of a 'Qlipphoth Tree', which destroys the human population of Redgrave City (basically London). It's done by one character seeking to become King of Hell and amassing POWER which is done by consuming human blood. The tree once it's devoured ever person in the city will bear a fruit that when eaten grants massive POWER to he who eats it (with the last King of Hell, Mundus, explicitly having used this method to attain his role in retconned backstory). It also tall enough that it reaches the upper atmosphere.
Sounds familiar
I first heard the term from Lobotomy Corporation, honestly
Why would anyone name a company something like that? And what exactly is the story there?
It's a bizarre korean vidya about an SCP-style organization, except instead of containing and hiding weird shit they use it as a power source. The outside world is implied to be pretty far-gone from normalcy.
How do they get power from it? Do they just hook them up to generators and shit?
Some shit involving the collective unconcious, IIRC. It's not entirely clear.
There's also some stuff going on in the background with some ridiculously powerful AIs.
It's an interesting enough take on the management genre and has some neat tricks. I wouldn't call it great, but it's fun enough.
The translation was hot garbage at release though, but thankfully they redid it.
Details please anon. We can handle the spoilers.
Face the Fear
Build the Future
This thread really slowed down.
Don't worry, bumpgay is going to keep it up for at least two more weeks
It is what it is. I've been trying to think of interesting things an angel can do in combat.
Well, what can they do weapon-wise? Their wings would limit their options in some way while opening up others.
What are those shields attached to? Anyway, how might the more inhuman angels fight?
Wow, you’re not kidding that it’s bizarre. People actually play this shit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiery_flying_serpent
I'm partial to the theory that these things are based on guinea worms rather than snakes
After 40 years of this nonsense do you REALLY think Games Workshop gives a damn about their phony Latinisms?