What is the point in giving you the "cool dickhead" dialogue options if every character just one-ups you and tells you to shut the frick up?
Why does most of the dialogue has this snarky-sarcastic-quippy flair to it?
It was pretty bad overall
what do you think?
I feel like modern writers can't imagine writing something they actually believe in, everything must be masked behind ten layers of irony and "le quippy jokes"
Absolutely correct.
The amount of dialogue with that tone I have to redo can be daunting at times.
Original Sin 2 was a bit immature in it's edgyness, but it was a step up from 1 just being boring and occasionally wacky.
Ganker and every social media site has the same fricking problem. I think it's a problem with modern society in general.
I dunno, my interactions on Ganker range from civil Greek forum of philosophy to literally flinging shit at each other like apes. It's a bit hard to define the way people communicate on here as any one thing.
I definitely agree it's more widespread than just Vidya writers though. I think it can be chalked up to urbanites who've never really experienced shit outside of their own little bubble. You see something similar with modern cartoons. Even reboots, they're all written the exact same way with no regard for the IP is based on.
Correct, it's lack of confidence in general. There's no small reason ""mental health"" issues have exploded while our eroding cultural foundations have been nearly dismantled (if they aren't completely gone). No stable world understanding means no concrete sense of self which in turn means a constant state of selfish, hedonistic survival - everything needs an out, a 'just kidding', to protect themselves lest they pick the "wrong" choice (that someone else will inform them of). And often you'll see the reverse on social media, people posting things they know are inherently lacking content and character but come out swinging with "Keeps scrolling if you wanna hate / Don't @ me / I'm proud" etc etc. Be it angry mania swinging before people have made a peep or a restless anxiety in fear they'll be in the wrong, all this shit has been thoroughly researched and now and it's being thoroughly embraced by the worst of humanity
Play dogshit games, get dogshit results.
If you are not playing games made for 100% heterosexual boys, teens and men with good dose of edge or stoicism or heroism, you are wasting your time and should shut the frick up, you get what you deserve homosexual.
I didn't know shit about it before playing
I vaguely remember it coming out a few years back... I think I avoided threads about it because I haven't played BG yet
But yeah you're right
Basado
Can't believe I bought this. So desperate for a new BG adventure I was. Thank god these homosexuals and trannies got robbed of the license. I'm thoroughly enjoying Larian's take on BG so far at least.
larian keeps on saving the crpg, ever since jumpstarting the crpg revolution with DoS 8 years ago
isnt bg3 full of coomer and homosexual shit too?
A lot less than what you'd expect out of Larian, they are playing this one mostly serious. I think it's the reverence Swen has for DnD. There's some le wacky Larianisms there but not nearly as much as Original Sin 2 for comparison.
It's pozzed, but not too horribly from what I've seen so far.
For some reason everyone has a British accent and all of the party members come across as extremely pompous and full of themselves, so it's pretty much what you'd expect.
Unless you think having attractive women is coomer shit, then no.
The party members are all playersexual, but so far it only impacts the game for about ten minutes in a 30 hour run
>playersexual
so coomer and homosexual shit.
>it only impacts the game for about ten minutes in a 30 hour run
oh so its ok if the gay porn only pays for 10 minutes. im glad people like you paid full price to playtest the first level for 2 years or however long its been now.
>n-nooooooo is that a naked woman!!!
>c-cooomer shit!
Shut the frick up.
>homosexual thinks its sword and sorcery babes and not le strong wahmen coomer noise weve been getting in ever game for at least 10 years
your ignorance is enviable. or atleast it would be if i didnt know you were misrepresenting the argument.
You can avoid romance entirely you know and deny any come ons. Sorry that your sensibilities are offended that sexual attraction exists.
He doesn’t care, anon.
He’s already pretending he knows what’s in the game despite already saying he hasn’t played it.
It’s just a line so he can derail the thread with whatever political homosexualry he has on his mind.
There was a BG3 thread a few hours ago he was sperging out in about the "2 years".
>I clicked on the option to watch gay porn, then I had to watch gay porn! What is the world coming to?
Reminded me of this Anon.
That was a wonderful thread
Fricking kek. Too bad I can't find that thread archived, would've loved to see the replies
Got you covered fren. You were probably looking at the wrong board.
https://arch.b4k.co/vrpg/thread/832064
Thanks, fren
Half of those replies are gold.
Everyone got mad at this anon when he is right.
>You can just say "no" when they ask sex.
How about every single character doesn't ask for sex? You run into a bugbear and the first option is to have gay sex with it? Making characters playersexual robs them of their defined writing, only to please coomers Or are you homosexuals going to argue that it doesn't matter, therefore it doesn't matter that it matters to you to have the option to coom?
Go back, you reddit oomer Black person
I didn't play this, but in all RPGs I simply kill every NPC who's rude/uppity towards me, simple as.
>headshot dickhead questgiver
>"this NPC is now unconscious"
What now, homosexual?
uninstall and move on to the next game, I don't care for badly designed trash
Mod it since I am not a homosexual consoletard.
>Why does most of the dialogue has this snarky-sarcastic-quippy flair to it?
peak millennial shit
>HE PLAYED BEAMDOGS GARBAGE
You genuine idiot.
Here's how you play the enhanced editions
Is it BioWare? Play it.
Is it Beamdog? Dispose it.
I enjoyed the Icewind Dale Enhanced Edition at least. Planescape Torment wasn't bad either.
Sorry I was just talking about Baldurs gate. Same thing applies for the other shit though just ignore beamdog stuff, its not good.
The only thing beamdog did okay was make the client work well (is hard? probably not- mods could have im sure)
Yeah your main point remains, the only reason IWD and Planescape EE's were good is because Beamdog didn't frick with them beyond their usual upgrades.
To add even then most of what they did do can be achieved with mods I'm pretty sure.
The best thing they did was put NWN on xbox but it was missing so many of the servers I guess it doesn't matter
Going to be real, I actually like the idea of 'cool dickhead' lines being met with everyone one-upping them and telling you to shut up. The idea that a game gives you the option to try and sound like an edgy dick, only so characters can go 'stop trying to sound like an edgy dick' is some actually fun roleplay that confronts you with your own stupid choices.
yea with better writing its a cool idea.
>Going to be real, I actually like the idea of 'cool dickhead' lines being met with everyone one-upping them and telling you to shut up.
It's one thing if it's one or two characters, it's another when it's all of them and you're playing a literal demigod of murder, they all know you're a demigod of murder, and they still tell you off anyways.
>Why does most of the dialogue has this snarky-sarcastic-quippy flair to it?
Play any modern CRPG. They all have this problem. It's like subtlety and gravitas is a lost art among the writers of the genre.
>Released 2016
>745 reviews
Why did it fail so hard? I thought baldur's gate was popular.
Aside from the antagonistic PR response, it’s because people saw through how unnecessary it was.
With the boatload of bugs included, it exposed Beamdog for being a purely parasitic company that couldn’t be trusted with using other people’s work to boost their original content.
Ironically, Larian gets far less shit for BG3 being an unnecessary sequel because of how disconnected it is. Beamdog wanted people to accept dragonspear as an interquel with the same gameplay as the originals, which immediately put it up for an unfavourable comparison
Isn't this the one with the troony in it? The one NPC that you can't say a mean word to, despite your alignment?
I think they took it out or heavily edited it after backlash but yeah. I remember when it launched and one of the CM's (some roastie of course) literally tagged Anita Sarkeesian and others freaking out that they were being "review bombed" for having trans representation. The secondhand embarrassment was strong that day.
Thing is, you could have done a character like that in an interesting way. There's cursed items in the lore that can change your gender, it can fricking happen to Edwin in the original game. So if someone wants to literally gender swap to be in their "true" body, they should be able to do that, and nobody would be the wiser, nor would you need to tell everyone about it.
But no. This character isn't like that. They didn't use any such item, like the Girdle of Femininity, they simply "live their truth" and play make believe, just like they do in the real world:
>"When I was born, my parents thought me a boy and raised me as such. In time, we all came to understand I was truly a woman. I created my new name from syllables of different languages. All have special meaning to me, it is the truest reflection of who I am."
Most irritating is that every response has to be positive. I think that's what grated on people the most and does when any RPG game does shit like that nowadays.
>dragonspear
We warned you about Beamdog, bro!
We TOLD you dog!
Modern game "writers" actually hate games, they just get that job as some sort of (imaginary) stepping stone into Hollywood or Bazzzzinga like sitcoms.
So they write what they actually want to write, zingy-zappy, qwirky crap covered with large amounts of political garbage.
You deserve everything you get for giving money to Beamdog. Now you just fricking sit there and think about what you've done
The writer is shit. Even Beamdog dropped her. That's all there is to it
What is Beamdog doing nowadays anyway? Are they still in business? Last I saw they were counting on developing BG3 but that fell through.
>"Aspyr through its parent Embracer Group announced its acquisition of Beamdog in April 2022 for an undisclosed sum"
Tbf that was a fairly awful prequel
>what do you think?
I think it was good. I enjoyed it way more than Throne of Baal, mostly because it is still a low to mid level D&D adventure and not in the crazy 25+ level ranges that you get into in ToB. Enemy variance was also great. I do admit that the story wasn't particularly good, and I really hated few of the characters like that dumb ass thief/cleric. Worth pirating and I've certainly played worse CRPGs.
Hijacking this thread. Say I've never played a CRPG (I haven't) What is the best written end-all be-all CRPG, and what is the second best? I'm hoping someone will say BG3 because I wanted to try it
A good cRPG to start with is Fallout 1 due to its length, other cRPGs can last 80 hours but Fallout is pretty short in comparison and the last thing you want with your first game in the genre is to get bored or frustrated
>BG3
It's not even finished, it's Early Access. Doesn't mean you can't try it but you're not going to get a full narrative
Oh...Fallout 1? I've actually finished that
>Say I've never played a CRPG (I haven't)
liar liar pants on fire
Baldurs gate 2 planescape torment or fallout 2 are all good but fallout 2 is kinda clunky and planescape is more of a novel
If you want something modern pillars of eternity 1 is OK and pathfinder is below average but it's fun to make characters on
And divinity 2 is great and there are lots of fun mods also I guess solasta kind of counts
Also neverwinter nights 1 and 2 if you can be fricked but they are early 2000s though 1 has unlimited content
1 still has live player run servers to this day I believe for different experiences.
I'm not sure if the original diamond edition got mogged by the enhanced beam dog one but you could still play online severs on the original diamond edition with a small patch
probably planescape torment or torment tides of numenera
Planescape Torment is by far best written CRPG of all time. From there, BG 2, NWN 2, and DOS 2, in that order. I enjoyed Pathfinder Kingmaker to a lesser extent, but still recommend it. KOTOR is fantastic as well, if you like Star Wars. Disco Elysium is also amazing, very memorable and unique.
Beamdog is a guilty of a number of different crimes. Here are the major ones.
1. The Enhanced Editions are essentially a collection of free mods that had existed for nearly twenty years. Beamdog gathered them all up, slapped "Enhanced Edition" on it and resold it as a new product. There's very very little in the Enhanced Editions that wasn't already out there, and most of it is stuff you don't want (like obnoxious character outlines).
2. The games didn't sell so well and the originals were still far outselling them, even twenty years after their release, so Beamdog had EVERY digital distributor stop selling the originals and ONLY sell the Enhanced Edition. If you want to buy a digital copy of the originals now, they're "bundled" into the Enhanced Edition. Now these scumbags can claim sales from people just wanting to buy the originals as their own.
3. The infamous 600+ bugs on launch. The game is still riddled with bugs (as even a perfunctory glance over their forums show) but the fact that it took nearly two years for them to get a game that had been working fine for 20 years to reach playability after launch is telling of their wild incompetence.
4. This is where we get to the ones that really piss people off. Beamdog couldn't just remaster the game, they had to frick with the content too. New dialogue for existing NPCs like Jaheira, Viconia, Safana, Kivan, et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly. Beamdog shills will argue that "adding content isn't changing content XDDD" but it is when the new content changes the core personalities of the existing characters. This is in addition to adding a slew of their own LGBT (hitherto there were none in Baldur's Gate) NPCs, all flooded with OP attributes and magic items to encourage people to play them despite their cancer.
5. Siege of motherfricking Dragonspear.
>Safana was just a sex object
Wasn't she a manipulative b***h that used her sex appeal for personal gain? Those types of women exist and they aren't rare so why was it an issue?
She’s the one that sells you out to lycanthropes in the second game.
Why they decided to make SoD about her and treat her as a hero is fricking baffling.
That blurb about Jaheira's attitude being played for jokes was weird too. Some party members took jabs at her attitude but it was in-character and she often gave it right back. I don't understand people like Amber Scott.
I think she simply never looked at the script and was working from what other people told her about it. Kalid being whipped has been a joke for years, so I expect that was all she ever heard on the subject.
ugly grugette cant seduce grug like a cute grugette
ugly grugette mad
ugly grugette wants to ban all cute grugettes from seducting grugs
ugly grugette cant
ugly grugette at least does it in vidya
Oh and if you think I am just memeing, this his her:
>I don't understand people like Amber Scott.
refer to
I just pirated both the enhanced editions (bg1+2) because I wanted to play through before bg3 releases.
Are they worth playing through? I only put 20 minutes in yesterday. The old mage just died and the thief girl caught up to me.
Do I just skip the dragon spear dlc or should I just drop the game?
I really want to play a non pozzed rpg and thought one released in 2000 would be safe.
They are fine to play through. Just ignore Beamdog's npcs if you want to avoid most of the pozzed shit.
Stop.
Get the convenient enhanced edition npc mod. Use it to remove every beam dog npc.
Then get the NPC project mod.
Start again.
You'll thank me for it.
Skip dragonspear and avoid any of their NPCs. When you get to Beregost you’ll have an encounter with one of their NPCs that demonstrates why.
Also you may want to get shadow keeper in case one of the bugs fricks your over, just resist the urge to cheat.
Do what this anon said
Don't install/play Dragonqueer. Go directly to bg2. You should also know that BG1 is vastly inferior to its sequel,and that the party members are basically lifeless in 1 without NPC Project. Even then, it's a slog, but well worth it for 2
>You should also know that BG1 is vastly inferior to its sequel
>but well worth it for 2
This is very correct. BG2 is probably the best crpg ever made (along with Torment) and the buildup through 1 is worth it.
I have seen this post a zillion times already and never ever have I found in any other place any proof of what it says, except people shitting on Dragonspear.
Explanation is quite simple, this is and/or situation:
>you never played the original games
>you are too dumb to use a search engine of your choice well enough
>you are beamnog employee, which also means both of above
The first one is true. Second, I use DuckDuckGo, so Idk. Third, I'm a neet, figures.
I really don't know what significant changes have the EE compared to the original, except the new companions and stuff. And I did pick Neera, as "reddit" people say she is, I like wild magic.
>if the people don't like that, then too bad
>people don't like it and don't purchase your game
>mild shock
>somehow gets fired from one of the most pozzed companies imaginable
It's almost impressive in a way.
Better gameplay imo, mid level party and bigger groups of enemies for enjoyable mass spellcasting.
The writing was wayyyy worse. I haven't finished it.
What was changed in the Enhanced Edition of BG1? I've got the game in my backlog and was thinking of playing through it soon.
Their oc donut steel companions are the biggest blight on BG1. I think a lot of the changes to how the game played really fricked with the original balance too but it's been awhile so I'm fuzzy.
Don't forget the removal of fun niche gameplay bugs that would only be activated under extremely specific circumstances by the player.
Like arrows of detonation + poison.
Or three dweomers in a spell trigger granting unlimited cosmic power.
I thought that hate for Neera was overblown until I got the game on sale and encountered her.
Jesus Christ she’s fricking annoying, and I only dealt with her long enough to tell her to frick off. God only knows how annoying she might get, and one day I might subject myself to clips of her to find out. Worse than that, she doesn’t feel like she belongs whatsoever.
It’s like someone tried to recreate a more lolrandumb version of Minsc and didn’t grasp that Minsc was literally introduced as brain damaged but still taking his duties as seriously as he could.
Jan I can understand filtering people and being passed off as lolrandumb, but a man who says he got Boo after suffering a head wound should be pretty fricking obvious.
http://www.shsforums.net/files/file/1135-convenient-enhanced-edition-npcs/
>wokeshit
>it was bad
who could have guessed?
So, who has the rights to make Baldur's Gate sequels? Does it even work like that? Or is it like the Warhammer License, people pay for it and make games?
Never play any crpg made after 2010, they're all like that.
I genuinely don't get how people can stand that shit.
Most modern writers either hate video games and wish they'd be writing successful books or for hollywood instead or they're in it to "fix" video games.
It's safe to say that a lot of them lack imagination and only have a very basic understanding of good/evil so they can't even begin to imagine how an evil aligned PC would work because to them evil = wanting to kill and destroy everything.
>evil aligned PC would work because to them evil = wanting to kill and destroy everything.
In D&D that is ostensibly all that Evil is.
No, it isn't. There's gradations of evil in dnd, at least there used to be before they pozzed it up. Chaotic evil is the destroyer and despoiler, sure, but lneutral and lawful can be made to fit many kinds of ordered evil
Lawful still wants to destroy everything. It just does so single file and orderly. Neutral Evil wants to destroy everything just however it can.
>Lawful still wants to destroy everything
No, no it does not. Neither you are right about neutral evil.
Stop talking about shit you have no clue about.
You first.
>no u
Really makes me wonder if these people have ever played D&D or any of the D&D games and met evil aligned party members.
Where do people get these ideas from that any evil aligned character just wants to destroy everything?
Does a tyrant king who lusts for power and total control over his subjects want to 'destroy everything' he worked so hard to gain simply because he's evil? No.
The alignments aren't straight jackets, there's some flexibility to allow you to cover many spectrums of personalities and motivations. Saying all evil exists only to destroy is objectively false, in both dnd and the real world.
Only chaotic evil - and not all of them either. Stop being a lorelet.
No it isn’t. All are capable of destruction for the sake of their goals, but at their base:
Chaotic is the destroyer
Lawful is the tyrant or supporter of tyranny
Neutral is selfish above all
Not even chaotic evil are all all morons hellbent on "destroying everything". It is more about goals and methods how to achieve them.
Isn't it usually only monsters that can be chaotic evil? In the real world no one is "evil" for the sheer sake of being evil.
>In the real world no one is "evil" for the sheer sake of being evil.
Psychopaths/serial killers would likely disagree with that sentiment
Sarevok was chaotic evil, since we are talking BG.
>In the real world no one is "evil" for the sheer sake of being evil.
That is not what chaotic evil is though beyond demons, criminally insane and such. Chaotic evil is wanting something without any respect towards law, goodness, common morals, etc. and using violence and destruction as a means of achieving it. While also being vile frick about it, ie.: backstabbing, treason, all that jazz. It often also means enjoying said violence and destruction.
Meme evil for evil sake is fairly limited in D&D and similar systems.
Chaotic evil is more of an utter disregard for life. They go out of their way to hurt people, even when it's not necessary. Sarevok stabs some random dude when he runs from you in BG1, and laughs at him as he does, for example. The guy didn't even try to fight Sarevok, was piss scared of him in fact. Sarevok just did it for the lulz,while a neutral or lawful likely would have just passed him by.
So basically an average player, viewing everyone as unrefined XP and loot, is chaotic evil in-universe.
>troonydog
There is your answer.
I remember when their big news was hiring David Gaider and even he jumped ship shortly after. I wonder if they promised him BG3 and when Larian got it he bailed.
because this hit dlc was created in 2016 by nu WotC SJW homosexuals who think you can't even play as a villain otherwise you will become a real life nazi
More like troonyspear
>that troony priest
>in a fricking world where you can literally change your entire biological sex with magic and magic items
Leftism was a mistake.
troony priest?
There's a healer like halfway through the game, there's no avoiding this character since they're there to heal/res your party members, if you engage in conversation with this character and ask them their backstory, they'll tell you EVERYTHING troony about themselves.
which of the two games is this?
I switched neera for xan after I got sick of her constant "why do people hate me for maiming and potentially killing people woe is me stick"
Also I don't know why but the neera VA has way different voice quality to any other, even rashaad has better sounding audio
It just doesn't sit right with me because she is both annoying as fricking shit and stands out from all other audio callouts.
At least xan has a good fricking sword rather than a shit +1 quarterstaff
Siege of Dragonspear
oh well thank frick I don't have them then
Is there a way to mod the writing of bg1 or 2 to not have the enhanced edition stuff?
I think I can get away with just not hiring any nu-npc's but it would suck for anything else to still be affected
convenient enhanced edition npc has op ions to remove them all
Is it fine to apply the mod on a current savegame? I'd rather not restart at the point I'm at
I'll apply the mod regardless after I finish 1 but it would be nice to do it mid-save
Go to the map where Gorion dies. Save, install mod, reload. Then go to the inn where you first meet Jaheira and see if that fricking beam dog orc is there. If not, you're good to go.
You have the new npcs with or without dragonspear. You have to mod them out.
You can literally just kill anyone you don't like in that game.
Except for that troony priest, they gave it godmode.
Bullshit, did they really?
I believe originally people kept killing this character in particular and spammed it to the devs to trigger them, so they gave it god mode.
>make a game that takes place in a world where magic can swap your gender 100%
>add a troony that doesn't use magic but still insists it's a woman when it's a man
>have said troony dump this information on you in the middle of your very first conversation with it
>make every single dialogue option in response to it incredibly positive, which is starkly different from every single other conversation in the game where you may have a neutral or even evil response to anything said
>people start killing the troony character in their games
>dev gets so outraged people are killing the troony, they hotfix the game to make the troony the only character in the game that's unkillable and teleports away to safety the second the game registers any attack upon it
>dev also has beloved fan favorite character make in-game quips about gamergate
I hope everyone involved in that game's development has since died.
BG3 feels like the first BG where being evil is actually fun and doesn't lock you out of 1 million quests. This is already a go for me.
I am pleasantly surprised that there’s an entirely different outcome for the evil path and plenty of ways to be an butthole without being moron evil.
Also it looks like being evil is easier than being good, which is more thematically appropriate
Baldur's Gate was never designed for an evil playthrough, in fact progression becomes nearly impossible during it.
nu-D&D
Pillars 1&2 can't write hooks for shit. They can't write agency to anything, so it all comes off as gaslighting.
>Why does most of the dialogue has this snarky-sarcastic-quippy flair to it?
Because it was written by blue haired women and that is literally the only way they know how to converse. See Twitter, Reddit, any feminist forum/weblog, etc. Our entire culture has been infested with it, probably starting with Buffy.
>female paladin main antagonist's crusade goal is actually a secret means to rescue her uncle from one of the nine hells
Excuse me, but how exactly is this "Lawful Good"?
>the dialogue has this snarky-sarcastic-quippy flair to it
Written by women.
american sjw's are fricking cancer