actually he acted like a typical ultra marine as they are portrayed in the lore. they are ultra rigid in their adherence to the codex astartes and follow it literally to the letter and the codex astartes is pretty clear about the proper use of jump packs and what the warp does to people.
he was right in reporting titus, but he should have reporte him to a chaplain of the chapter, not the inquisition.
he absolutley did something wrong, he should have gone to a Librarian or Chaplin if he suspected captain Titus. Astartes take care of this sort of stuff in house according to the codex. didn't even have to be an ultramarine one, the Ravens and Templars would have been fine but there was a captain of a major chapter on campaign, they must have had chaplains with them.
Leandros understood that the purpose of the Codex Astartes was to reinforce blind loyalty and orders following. If Space Marines are allowed to act on their own initiative and think for themselves, eventually they may find themselves acting against the Imperium. The Codex does not produce good space Marines, it produces loyal space marines.
>The Codex does not produce good space Marines, it produces loyal space marines.
I would rather have a chapter full of good space marines fighting next to me.
The law is a precise endeavor and suing a guy for going against mere recommendations means it's a frivolous law suit. Leandros should reimburse Titus on all the time wasted during the investigation and the subsequent legal fees.
Hold on a second, didn't he actually violate the Codex? He ratted Titus to the Inquisition directly but isn't it written in the Codex that one should report possible heressy to the chapter Chaplain first?
no, chapters have multiple chaplains, typically one per company plus a reclusiarch and a master of sanctity who is the head honcho chaplain 2nd only to the chapter master, and chaplains operate with a degree of independence from the main command structure of a company so if he had suspcicions about say the 2nd company chaplain he would report it to the reclusiarch
yeah he did the big oopsie daisy
best case scenario defense is this
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maybe a chaplain wasnt available at the moment and the matter was urgent. one cannot be paranoid enough when it comes to chaos corruption. titus could have been possessed by a daemon which would create problems back on the strike cruiser. the ultramarines have had such a problem before.
Normal Chaplains are already a fricking nightmare to deal with when shit go south.
But Ultramarines probably have the most feared and respected Chaplain from basically every chapter in the imperium, bar possibly Astorath. >Ortan fricking Cassius.
one of the only ten chaplains with the title of High Chaplain in the imperium.
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Ortan Cassius is also the oldest non-dreadnought ultramarine at 400-500 years old and is one of the only survivors from the tyrannic wars.
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>But Ultramarines probably have the most feared and respected Chaplain
Grimaldus, Ulrik, and you already mentioned Astorath, Interrogator Chaplain Asmodai
also unrelated i want to know what the Marines Malevolent chaplains are like
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Grimaldus and Asmodai to my and many's dismay, are just chaplains with the latter being a special type of chaplain.
Ulrik, Astorath and Ortan are all High Chaplains who are several centuries old and have overseen the ascendance of their chapter masters.
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>Astorath
Iirc, Astorath is only feared by BA and their descendants, other chapters don't give a frick. Dark Angels' Asmodai is a giga butthole though, even for a Chaplain.
Hold on a second, didn't he actually violate the Codex? He ratted Titus to the Inquisition directly but isn't it written in the Codex that one should report possible heressy to the chapter Chaplain first?
maybe a chaplain wasnt available at the moment and the matter was urgent. one cannot be paranoid enough when it comes to chaos corruption. titus could have been possessed by a daemon which would create problems back on the strike cruiser. the ultramarines have had such a problem before.
I'm pretty sure getting a hold of an Inquisitor is harder than getting a Chaplain, or at the very least risky (remeber than Inquisitors are mega spergs).
At that point we're getting too much into headcannon territory.
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there also was that other inquisitor on graia, i forgot his name, that was secretly under the influence of the chaos lord. the inquisition might have suspected that something is off with that inquisitor and sent another inquisitor to take a look into the matter. then the supervising inquisitor stumbles into a full blown chaos invasion with warp rifts and daemons and warp touched astartes... very sus.
Yes it war moronic, especially when its established that Leandros treats Codex as Holy Bible. Also that Inqusitor threatening Ultrasmurfs with severe consequences for not giving him Titus. Ultrasmurfs are Empire poster boys and this Inqusitor treats them like some late founding fodder.
He did nothing wrong >abloohoo boo he should have gone to chaplain
Is pure copium. You have suspected warp frickery and an inquisitor at hand? You fricking tell him.
So what? They are not above suspicion, and not above the inquisition.
The last time some inquisitor fricko thought a first founding chapter was "not above suspicion" he and his entire entourage along with quite a few Grey Knights got turned inside out.
Also, yes, if you have suspected warp frickery, you go to the Chaplain, because dealing with that is LITERALLY their job. And the inquisition has already proven itself to be unreliable to boot.
>forever branding yourself as the b***h who sold out your own captain after he single handily stopped a Chaos and Ork incursion
You aren't fooling anyone Leandros.
he already slapped marines in the face when he saw they were using the codex as scripture rather than suggestions. In this case he would just sigh, tell him he's moronic, and go on with his business.
I'd be genuinely happy if Bobby appeared at the end of SM2, berated Leandros and gave Titus a promotion and pat on the back. At least something of the sorts.
Bobby is far too busy to be dealing with trivial matters like SM plot. He's working 24/7 to keep the empire from further crumbling as only his personal legitimacy as a primarch is enough to break clear up various bureaucratic deadlocks
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I know, I know, it's probably not gonna happen, but at least something like that.
I want Leandros to come back as a changed Astartes. Its been a few hundred years since Graia now, if Leandros is still kicking then he probably has a few studs on his skull now. Trying to make amends with Titus feels more 40k-ish than being killed off or shit on like some kind of fan girl fan fiction antagonist.
>he already slapped marines in the face when he saw they were using the codex as scripture rather than suggestions. In this case he would just sigh, tell him he's moronic, and go on with his business.
Where did that happen? Sounds like a hilarious read.
>cosplaying as any warrior >wearing glasses
immediately makes you look like a moron
only exception would be you being shredded and cosplaying as nerdy conan
He's the representation of the average leddit 40kiddie secondary that doesn't understand anything beyond the most basic surface details about the subject matter but constantly opens his mouth regardless
as much as anyone really did
introduction of primaris crap forces shit writing to insert the new unit lines into everyone so they're all basically playing ultramarines in different coats of paint a la gabriel seth's concerns
give it another 5 years of writing and codex releases and maybe it'll become less ass when the rules for the individual units are reigned back so the rules for subfactions can matter more
vermintide
darktide is less shit than it used to be but is still a mess of shit
vermintide has its problems but its not as much of a schizophrenic mess that doesn't know what it wants to do the way darktide is which knowing vermintide sounds insane
just a typical "yOu cAn'T Do tHaT!" homosexual who was probably jockeying for control of the chapter. Getting the inquisition involved should have been instant death for him at the hands of his battle brothers.
I was gonna say it was because he was still "fresh" but he's in the second company, he should be a hardened veteran. Just a stupid c**t I guess.
actually he acted like a typical ultra marine as they are portrayed in the lore. they are ultra rigid in their adherence to the codex astartes and follow it literally to the letter and the codex astartes is pretty clear about the proper use of jump packs and what the warp does to people.
he was right in reporting titus, but he should have reporte him to a chaplain of the chapter, not the inquisition.
At this point I'm convinced Titus would be better of in Deathwatch.
im still not convinced he is truly innocent. i think a mind wipe and further interrogation would be the best course of action for now.
Oh yeah, the codex that says to not have more than 1000 marines at a time, the Ultraberries follow that, yeah.
Secretly a traitor all along. Just calling it now. Frick it.
Leandros did nothing wrong.
100% true. If you idolise the Imperium, you idolise Leandros.
he absolutley did something wrong, he should have gone to a Librarian or Chaplin if he suspected captain Titus. Astartes take care of this sort of stuff in house according to the codex. didn't even have to be an ultramarine one, the Ravens and Templars would have been fine but there was a captain of a major chapter on campaign, they must have had chaplains with them.
SHPOICE MUHREENZ
>Grimskull won't come back for round 2
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He was a secret Alpha Legion agent.
Alpha Legion are smarter than this gut. And they aren't traitors anyway.
Also, I hope its not the last time we see this homosexual. Everyone loves a little bit of revenge.
I want the new one to have tyranid vs marine multiplayer and relive gears of war days
plot twist he is actually chaos corrupted and Titus was blessed by a fragment of the Emperor.
>Muh Codex
appeal to authority
Leandros understood that the purpose of the Codex Astartes was to reinforce blind loyalty and orders following. If Space Marines are allowed to act on their own initiative and think for themselves, eventually they may find themselves acting against the Imperium. The Codex does not produce good space Marines, it produces loyal space marines.
>The Codex does not produce good space Marines, it produces loyal space marines.
I would rather have a chapter full of good space marines fighting next to me.
He was the only baldy in his squad.
>The codex warns
>The codex does not forbid
The law is a precise endeavor and suing a guy for going against mere recommendations means it's a frivolous law suit. Leandros should reimburse Titus on all the time wasted during the investigation and the subsequent legal fees.
He's a brand new Ultramarine.
It's not him being new, it's thr UM being homosexuals. They did worse to Ventris for breaching the Codex, and that was by Calgar's orders IIRC.
The emperor's little pick me ultramarine
He was jealous of Titus' warp immunity.
He did it for his Dark Eldar Boyfriend.
Ganker will suddenly like him when hes revealed to not like primaris marines and is not primaris
Hold on a second, didn't he actually violate the Codex? He ratted Titus to the Inquisition directly but isn't it written in the Codex that one should report possible heressy to the chapter Chaplain first?
Yes, which makes Leandros an even bigger moron than if he was following the codex as he proclaims.
correct, the codex does state explicitly you tell the chaplain not speed dial the ordo hereticus
I actually didn't know this, neat. Just makes him even more suspicious.
Wouldn't he be suspicious of the Chaplain as well if the Captain is possibly corrupt?
no, chapters have multiple chaplains, typically one per company plus a reclusiarch and a master of sanctity who is the head honcho chaplain 2nd only to the chapter master, and chaplains operate with a degree of independence from the main command structure of a company so if he had suspcicions about say the 2nd company chaplain he would report it to the reclusiarch
I see, so he really did frick up.
yeah he did the big oopsie daisy
best case scenario defense is this
but even then, not likely to go over well
Normal Chaplains are already a fricking nightmare to deal with when shit go south.
But Ultramarines probably have the most feared and respected Chaplain from basically every chapter in the imperium, bar possibly Astorath.
>Ortan fricking Cassius.
one of the only ten chaplains with the title of High Chaplain in the imperium.
Ortan Cassius is also the oldest non-dreadnought ultramarine at 400-500 years old and is one of the only survivors from the tyrannic wars.
>But Ultramarines probably have the most feared and respected Chaplain
Grimaldus, Ulrik, and you already mentioned Astorath, Interrogator Chaplain Asmodai
also unrelated i want to know what the Marines Malevolent chaplains are like
Grimaldus and Asmodai to my and many's dismay, are just chaplains with the latter being a special type of chaplain.
Ulrik, Astorath and Ortan are all High Chaplains who are several centuries old and have overseen the ascendance of their chapter masters.
>Astorath
Iirc, Astorath is only feared by BA and their descendants, other chapters don't give a frick. Dark Angels' Asmodai is a giga butthole though, even for a Chaplain.
maybe a chaplain wasnt available at the moment and the matter was urgent. one cannot be paranoid enough when it comes to chaos corruption. titus could have been possessed by a daemon which would create problems back on the strike cruiser. the ultramarines have had such a problem before.
I'm pretty sure getting a hold of an Inquisitor is harder than getting a Chaplain, or at the very least risky (remeber than Inquisitors are mega spergs).
maybe titus was already under inquisitorial investigation even before the invasion of graia. maybe strange things have happened around him before
At that point we're getting too much into headcannon territory.
there also was that other inquisitor on graia, i forgot his name, that was secretly under the influence of the chaos lord. the inquisition might have suspected that something is off with that inquisitor and sent another inquisitor to take a look into the matter. then the supervising inquisitor stumbles into a full blown chaos invasion with warp rifts and daemons and warp touched astartes... very sus.
>maybe a chaplain wasnt available at the moment
Each company has their own chaplain, and the smurfs arrived in company strength.
perhaps the chaplains thunderhawk got destroyed when trying to land on graia. use your imagination anon.
I'd rather stick with the facts, thanks.
the facts are that there is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt
The fact is that Leandros is a moron who didn't even read the thing he's autistically obsessed with.
News flash: Leandros is a moronic tattle tale homosexual
Yes it war moronic, especially when its established that Leandros treats Codex as Holy Bible. Also that Inqusitor threatening Ultrasmurfs with severe consequences for not giving him Titus. Ultrasmurfs are Empire poster boys and this Inqusitor treats them like some late founding fodder.
He did nothing wrong
>abloohoo boo he should have gone to chaplain
Is pure copium. You have suspected warp frickery and an inquisitor at hand? You fricking tell him.
So what? They are not above suspicion, and not above the inquisition.
The last time some inquisitor fricko thought a first founding chapter was "not above suspicion" he and his entire entourage along with quite a few Grey Knights got turned inside out.
Also, yes, if you have suspected warp frickery, you go to the Chaplain, because dealing with that is LITERALLY their job. And the inquisition has already proven itself to be unreliable to boot.
>overstepping chapter leadership for the ~~*inquisition*~~
moronic secondary detected
>forever branding yourself as the b***h who sold out your own captain after he single handily stopped a Chaos and Ork incursion
You aren't fooling anyone Leandros.
Yeah, what diz gitz says righ'ere. Tell da... Uh... In-quess-et-or... Yeah, da inquessetor!
someone should paint him like astaroth
The knowledge of the codex keeps him and his men alive.
How would Bobby G react to this?
>Primarch who thought he lost all hope loses additional bit of hope he didnt even know he had
>tiny insignificant event
>reaction
I was talking about the broader issue of Marines taking the codex HE wrote to such extremes, specially now when he's more open to change than ever.
he already slapped marines in the face when he saw they were using the codex as scripture rather than suggestions. In this case he would just sigh, tell him he's moronic, and go on with his business.
I'd be genuinely happy if Bobby appeared at the end of SM2, berated Leandros and gave Titus a promotion and pat on the back. At least something of the sorts.
Bobby is far too busy to be dealing with trivial matters like SM plot. He's working 24/7 to keep the empire from further crumbling as only his personal legitimacy as a primarch is enough to break clear up various bureaucratic deadlocks
I know, I know, it's probably not gonna happen, but at least something like that.
I want Leandros to come back as a changed Astartes. Its been a few hundred years since Graia now, if Leandros is still kicking then he probably has a few studs on his skull now. Trying to make amends with Titus feels more 40k-ish than being killed off or shit on like some kind of fan girl fan fiction antagonist.
>he already slapped marines in the face when he saw they were using the codex as scripture rather than suggestions. In this case he would just sigh, tell him he's moronic, and go on with his business.
Where did that happen? Sounds like a hilarious read.
He'd sigh, pause for a moment, and then go back to fricking Yvraine senseless.
It sounds to me like you're asking what's wrong with the codex astartes, which so a lot like heresy.
>cosplaying as any warrior
>wearing glasses
immediately makes you look like a moron
only exception would be you being shredded and cosplaying as nerdy conan
Secret heretic.
This is what happens when your entire society is built on blindly worshiping a literal corpse in the chair lmao.
i think i know what chapter you will be playing in multiplayer
eh probably Raven Guard
i can respect that even if you probably wont be able to rock the emo swoosh
Black Templars because I am racist
He's the representation of the average leddit 40kiddie secondary that doesn't understand anything beyond the most basic surface details about the subject matter but constantly opens his mouth regardless
Does anybody even follow the codex at this point?
Guilliman decided it wasn't that good of an idea in retrospect and told everyone to just kinda do their own thing, within reason.
I'm sure Gorrillaman just published the second edition
He was too busy getting head from an Eldar bawd
as much as anyone really did
introduction of primaris crap forces shit writing to insert the new unit lines into everyone so they're all basically playing ultramarines in different coats of paint a la gabriel seth's concerns
give it another 5 years of writing and codex releases and maybe it'll become less ass when the rules for the individual units are reigned back so the rules for subfactions can matter more
so darktide or vermintide?
depends on my mood
sometimes i wanna play ratclick sometimes i wanna play hereticlick
vermintide
darktide is less shit than it used to be but is still a mess of shit
vermintide has its problems but its not as much of a schizophrenic mess that doesn't know what it wants to do the way darktide is which knowing vermintide sounds insane
just a typical "yOu cAn'T Do tHaT!" homosexual who was probably jockeying for control of the chapter. Getting the inquisition involved should have been instant death for him at the hands of his battle brothers.
autism