What’s the most broken type in the game? (besides fairy)
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What’s the most broken type in the game? (besides fairy)
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Water
Offensively: Ghost
Defensively: Steel
But Fairy is definitely a powerful compromise between the two.
Ghost is pretty mediocre offensively. Shadow Ball is 80 bp and Shadow Claw is 70. Those are the strongest available attacks for the type, specially and physically. Plus, Ghost hits only Ghost and Psychic for SE damage, which is the same as Dark.
The only reason people think Ghost is super strong right now is because 1. Normal was nerfed into the ground for no reason, 2. Most Normal and Dark types are gone due to dexcut, and 3. There are a lot of individually strong Ghost types right now that are incredibly hard to switch into because Normal type effectively doesn't exist competitively anymore and slotting in Tera Fairy/Fighting/Bug on a Ghost type for perfect coverage on the remaining Dark types is an easy ask.
>Gen 1 Ghastly
>Pick it up at 20 or so
>Confusion Ray
>Night Shade
>Psychic
Overpowered in Gen 1
And then GameFreak took a big shit on Ghastly in Gen 2 +
The Gastly line never used a Ghost move until Gen 4.
The Ghost TYPE is the best offensive type on paper, since it has only two resists/immunities. Ghost MOVES hold it back because they are weak, but frankly Shadow Ball is not weak enough to truly hold special ghosts back. If you make a Ghost attack with the power of a typical Fighting attack it sends its holder to AG.
>Steel before fairy was introduced
Ftfy
... Do you think fairy made Steel worse?
Gen 6 did.
Fairy isn't the most broken dipshit, you're just biased because you have a fragile masculine ego and will attack pink girly things for any conceivable reason even though Steel and Water are easily way more broken than Fairy is.
But you'll never admit that, because you're full of tiny dick energy.
Steel
>weak to Close Combat, Earthquake ans CHARIZARD forms
>still extremely mid offensively
>rightfully lost it’s ghost and dark resistances
Not broken
> fragile masculine ego and will attack pink girly things for any conceivable reason
Rent free
Mentally Ill
fairy has an immunity, steel and water don't. fairy also single-handedly stopped outrage spam meta. steel/fairy is also the best type combination in the game
>what is poison
Steel/Flying > Steel/Fairy
Reminder that the post a decade ago claiming “steel/fairy is duh best because muh statistics!!!” also ranked shit like steel/ice above dragon/ground, since it only evaluated number of resists and not their actual quality. Earthquake immunity is better than anything fairy has to offer steel.
What if it has levitate?
Fairy/Steel made her strong all round. Mons with broken gimmicks like her were meant to be glass cannons.
Her own brother was stuck in UU because of his typing despite having just as good abilities
There is a reason why Flutter Mane dominated, and Zacian was nerfed despite being a box legend. Fairy is too busted. Zacian was no prevalent that everyone would bring a Groundon or Arceus to check it.
zacian was overpowered because it had the most ridiculously overtuned offensive stats in the entire game on top of an ability that boosted it even further. it being fairy was just a small bonus, not the cause. it would have been just as insane with nearly any other typing
If Zacian-C were Poison/Ice, it wouldn't have 1/3rd the usage it did in Gen 8.
>one of the best offensive types paired with some of the best offenses in the game and enough bulk to reliably survive hits
>paired with a type that cancels out one of ice's biggest weaknesses
>goes at least neutral against every typing except steel, which would be a nonissue if it kept even a fraction of the coverage zacian actually ended up with
if you're going to argue against my point at least use a good example
first off, you will never be a woman
second off, one immunity to the otherwise best type in the game and 3 resistances, 2 of which are extremely relevant, and only weak to 2 dogshit offensive types nobody can afford to run coverage for because they’re so bad when they’re not hitting fairy specifically
it is easily the best defensive type in the game while also being good offensively
Dragon wouldn't be the best type if Fairy were removed. It wasn't in Gen 5, and it certainly isn't now.
>oh no, le outrage spam is killing our meta, what do we do?
>oh I know, let's make a type only weak to two of the worst offensive types in the game
Ground is also extremely good offensively and EQ spam is also a huge thing, but Ground is weak to shit types like Grass and Ice.
Fairy needs to be nerfed.
Too many Steel/Fairy types and too much offensive/defensive effectiveness is the main point of criticism.
How to nerf?
Current meta is Dark dominated.
Remove Fairy type offensive SE to Fighting types.
>Fairy needs to be nerfed.
No it doesn't.
>Too many Steel/Fairy types and too much offensive/defensive effectiveness
There isn't a single Steel/Fairy type that's good because it's Steel/Fairy type and two of them are complete shitmons.
Steel is weak to the 3 best offensive type in the game. Fairy is weak to 2 shit offensive types.
Fairy can be easily paired with most type except Grass, Ice and all its weaknesses will be be remove.
Let's look at Pokemon and moves, Steel mons and moves were meh or awful the gen they came out. Later gens give us better Steel mons(they still held back in creating mons with good type-pairing with Steel such as Steel/Dragon, Steel/Water, etc) but Steel moves were mostly shit until gen 6
Fairy came out with everything handed to them: great mons, broken moves and ability. Moonblast has 30% effect chance, not other common 90bp that anyone can learn have that kind of effect. Steel/Fairy was quickly introduced and we have a Steel/Fairy type every gen that. Every gen more and more broken Fairy mons came out culminating in the most busted shit GF has ever created.
Fairy also has rather unreasonable resistances with Bug.
>Steel is weak to the 3 best offensive type in the game. Fairy is weak to 2 shit offensive types.
Have you tried....using moves it isn't weak to?
>Fairy came out with everything handed to them: great mons, broken moves and ability
so like literally every type in the game, wow
Most types were shit and only get improved lately. Fairy get everything handed to them
If you were to do this in a more rigorous manner. You can put every type on a graph and compare how they improve, most types would have normal graph but Fairy would have a huge explosive growth
>Steel is weak to the 3 best offensive type in the game
They're the best offensive types BECAUSE they check steel.
Read my post. It made Steel-pairing risky because Steel weaknesses are strong. Whereas pairing Fairy with other type can easily remove the Steel/Poison weakness because those two types are shit offensively
Fairy is only resisted by Steel, Poison and Fire
Steel is resisted by Steel, Fire, Water(big no-no because of common Water is), Electric
Fighting became good because it took out Steel. If Bug replaced Fighting for being SE against Steel, it'd be one of the best types in the game. That is how OP Steel was.
Fire is pretty good offensively, and Ground was always good.
Fighting is good because it gets a 120 BP move with 100% a nothingburger drawback (lowered Defenses don't matter if you kill things before they can even it you) that nearly all physical attackers get.
Fighting was already good before that point when its best moves were Superpower and Focus Punch simply because they dealt with Steel types.
Steel easily
You would greatly benefit from a steel secondary type in pretty much all situations.
>You would benefit from being weak to two of the most common offensive types
lol!
Think about why those offensive types are so common.
>Ground
Earthquake
>Fighting
Close Combat and Body Press
Ice Beam, Tbolt, Brave Bird, Shadow Ball, Draco Meteor, Stone Edge, yep good moves exist for all kinds of types.
>Stone Edge
>Shadow Ball
>Good moves
its the best they have, ok
Oh, so you don't play.
I do. They're not good moves, they're just the best available for those types. Stone Edge is only 100 base power for a paltry 80 accuracy and 5 pp. That's a shit move, but it's all Rock has.
You have never played.
I've been playing Pokemon since I got Stadium for my 4th birthday over 20 years ago.
No one who has ever had a competitive match before would ever say Shadow Ball is anything but a good move.
Shadow Ball is a shit move that people only use because there's no better alternative. Flamethrower has 10 more base power and a chance to burn and people still choose to use Fire Blast over it.
>Flamethrower has 10 more base power and a chance to burn and people still choose to use Fire Blast over it
Flamethrower is only used because there's no better alternative. All moves are only used because there's no better alternative.
Flamethrower is never used because 99% of the Pokemon that get Flamethrower also get Fire Blast.
Fire blast isn't even considered a competitive move.
https://pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebsd/heatran?l=en
https://pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebsd/chi-yu?l=en
https://pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebsd/torkoal?l=en
https://pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebss/chi-yu?l=en
https://pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebss/volcarona?l=en
My man, Ghost was considered one of the weaker types in the game up through Gen 5 because it had weak as frick moves.
Ice Beam aside, those are all mediocre moves or don't have a lot of distribution. Close Combat and Earthquake are some of the most common moves. If not Close Combat, than the slightly inferior Superpower is also used. Even Pokemon you wouldn't think would be using those moves will run them because they're that good. Barraskewda, Staraptor, Arcanine, Beartic, Brute Bonnet, Calyrex-Ice, Ceruledge, Glastrier, Haxorus, Iron Leaves, and so many more Pokemon all use Close Combat because an effectively free 120 base power move is too good to pass up, Steel type or no. If Steel didn't exist, people would still be using the frick out of EQ and CC.
3. Fire is rather common. Not in Gen 9 because all of the good ones got removed, but you still see Skeledirge, Moltres, Iron Moth, and Volcarona kicking teeth in.
steel is the only reason anyone uses those types in the first place
let's face it, for how much people cry about fairy mons being broken, there are significantly more busted steel types than there are busted fairy types
This, only normal and rock don't pair well with it
You can argue ice but I argue it gives ice resistences for a type that's already weak to everything
Normal pairs pretty well with it. All Normal does is give Steel a 4x weakness to Fighting instead of 2x, and in return Steel gets a Ghost immunity. Steel types already avoid Fighting types, so the extra damage isn't an issue, especially when you're getting an immunity to one of the top 3 types in the game.
This is a terrible list
t. Fairy-gay
t. Dragon-gay
obsessed
yeah, sure buddy, and that's why 90% of the fairies are hot garbage while almost every steel type is viable even after the entire type got nerfed in gen 6, right?
Clefable would be NU right now if not for becoming Fairy type. Instead it's been an OU staple for 3 generations running. When it comes back in the DLC, it'll still be running OU.
And no, not even 1/3rd of the Steel types are viable. There are plenty that get shunted to lower tiers. Metagross is the 2nd weakest psuedo-legendary behind It That Shan't Be Named. Duraludon, Copperajah, Klinklang, Dugtrio-Alola, Aggron, Steelix, Escavalier, Wormadam, Perrserker, Mawile, Sandslash-Alola, Togedemaru, Stakataka, and Revavroom are all hot garbage.
A type's strength is not predicated on how good the Pokemon in the type are, either. If you made a type that's Super Effective against every type and resisted every type, but you only gave it to Sunkern, Tyrogue, and Magikarp, it'd still be an absurdly broken type even if 100% of the Pokemon with it are trash.
>Clefable would be NU right now if not for becoming Fairy type
clefable was actually still good in previous generations, it was just overlooked until getting fairy put it in the spotlight
also most of the steel types you listed are still significantly better than the vast majority of fairies.
>A type's strength is not predicated on how good the Pokemon in the type are, either.
exactly, that's why all of the people acting like zacian is overpowered because it's a fairy are stupid
>clefable was actually still good in previous generations, it was just overlooked until getting fairy put it in the spotlight
It was good in Gen 4, not in Gen 1, 2, 3, or 5. In Gen 4, Magic Guard made it immune to Paralysis as well, and Gen 4's meta revolved around chip damage from Stealth Rocks which Clefable completely ignored.
it was still decent enough in gen 5, it was just less potent than in gen 4 due to dragons and powercreep being significantly more prevalent
sure, fairy was a major buff in that regard, but it would have fared just as well if not better for its defensive role specifically with steel or water
don't get me wrong, fairy is still #2 in terms of overall type strength, but I will never agree with the idea that it's actually a better type than steel
90% of all Pokemon are hot garbage. There will invariably be winners and losers. That's why a tiering system like what Smogon uses is much better than VGC, since the latter will always consolidate around a small handful of the absolute best Pokemon and leave everything else by the wayside.
Cope and seethe. Fairy is broken beyond belief. Easily the equal of Gen 1 Psychic.
Bug is the worst, Rock and Ice are at least good for offense.
U-Turn is all it has going for it
Quiver Dance is really strong, Leech Life too, Megahorn can wreck shit with STAB even on neutrals. Monotype Bug is pretty weak but there are lots of dual types that are very strong.
Bug has really good attacks and good defensive utility. Rock has neither, but it's better defensively than Ice. Ice has good attacks, but nothing else.
U-turn, Megahorn, Quiver Dance, First Impression, Pollen Puff (in doubles), and Sticky Web are all some of the best moves in the game. The type is only really held back by having so many types resist it.
>Rock has neither
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/gen9vgc2023regd/landorus-therian
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebsd/landorus-therian
88-89% of builds use rock slide for coverage and utility
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebss/landorus-therian
Multiple types of rock coverage are frequently used
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebss/garganacl
Rock is on all builds
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/gen9vgc2023series2bochumregionals/tyranitar
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/gen9vgc2023series2bochumregionals/tyranitar
Rock on 100% of sets
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/gen9vgc2023series2bochumregionals/garchomp
Rock on almost 70% of sets
On the contrary Volcarona uses no bug STAB, Scizor only uses U-turn for pivoting and Kleavor actually uses it for attacking, but stone axe is more prevalent.
I couldn't find a single Pokemon with bug coverage.
>Bug is the worst
It resists Ground, Fighting, and Grass while only being weak to Fire, Flying, and Rock. It's actually in the top half of types defensively because of that. Fighting and Ground are two of the three most common attacking types in the game, especially with Great Tusk being so prominent, and resisting Grass in a meta with unnerfed Rillaboom, Meowscarada or Serperior is also a huge boon. Bug being bad is a meme from doubles where taking hits isn't as important.
>Bug being bad is a meme from doubles
Black person the game IS doubles. no one plays singles.
>Playing doubles
>Especially after the clusterfrick that was Worlds 23
Lmao. I hope Game Freak bans your ass for injecting too.
This is terrible and the fact that Bug isn't in the lowest tier by itself demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about.
>Quiver Dance is really strong
And it's on almost nothing that's actually worth using.
>Leech Life too, Megahorn can wreck shit
Both of these are garbage because Bug is such a worthless type offensively to begin with.
>Bug has really good attacks
Not with those matchups it doesn't.
>and good defensive utility
Not with those matchups it doesn't.
>Rock has neither
Rock is one of the best offensive types ever and it has good defenses with Sandstorm, are you moronic?
>U-turn, Megahorn, Quiver Dance, First Impression, Pollen Puff (in doubles), and Sticky Web are all some of the best moves in the game
Is that why 5/6 of those are almost never used?
>while only being weak to Fire, Flying, and Rock
>>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>>>>only
>same number of weaknesses as Steel, but less common attacking types
>they're less common
>which is why everything under the sun still has them
>while still have drastically fewer resistances and being even more worthless offensively
wow
Everything under the sun does not carry Flying and Rock moves you stubborn stupid frick. Maybe fire is common, but Bug shares that with Steel so it's not an argument.
>>Rock has neither
>Rock is one of the best offensive types ever and it has good defenses with Sandstorm, are you moronic?
Let's look at what he said Rock had neither of, and see if you addressed it or just shit on your keyboard.
"Really good attacks" and "defensive utility". Now, does calling jt a good offensive type mean it has good attacks? No? Ok, how about one niche in a weather condition, is that "utility"? No again? Wow, I sure hope the rest of your post isn't this feculent... Oh no...
>Now, does calling jt a good offensive type mean it has good attacks? No?
It actually does mean it has good attacks, you blumbering schizo.
>Ok, how about one niche in a weather condition
A flat 50% defense boost isn't a "niche" you fricking moron.
>Everything under the sun does not carry Flying and Rock moves you stubborn stupid frick
Yeah, maybe in campaign world where you spend all your time playing the game against brain dead NPCs, but not against actual other people. Have you tried it some time?
lmao no
>I'm scared of missing Stone Edge in my moronic campaign replays against npcs so that means the type has bad attacks
>It actually does mean it has good attacks, you blumbering schizo.
Stone Edge and Rock Slide are not good attacks. Stone Edge is a shit attack. 100 power and 80 accuracy is pitiful. It's the same power as EQ with accuracy closer to Focus Blast. Rock Slide also misses all the time, and it has even less power.
>And it's on almost nothing that's actually worth using.
Volcarona? Pheromosa?
>Both of these are garbage because Bug is such a worthless type offensively to begin with.
Bug isn't worthless offensively. It's resisted by 1/3rd of the types, but that doesn't mean the other 66% of types want to get hit by a STAB Megahorn from Heracross or Scolipede.
>Not with those matchups it doesn't.
It has great defensive matchups, and offensively it can work because Grass and Psychic are 2 of the 5 most common types in the game. Not to mention 2 of the other top 5 are also neutral to Bug (Normal and Water). Flying is the only top 5 most common type to resist Bug. And, while a great type, Bugs almost always pack U-turn to get out of that matchup scot free.
>Volcarona? Pheromosa?
Yes. It's on almost nothing that's actually worth using.
>Bug isn't worthless offensively.
It absolutely is which is why nothing ever runs Bug moves unless they have to for STAB or because it's stuck on U-Turn.
>It has great defensive matchups
No it doesn't.
>Grass and Psychic are 2 of the 5 most common types in the game
Yeah I'm sure that's valuable when they have secondary types that resist Bug, moron.
>I'm scared of missing Stone Edge in my moronic campaign replays against NPCs so that means the type has bad attacks
>Yes. It's on almost nothing that's actually worth using.
The other Quiver Dancers are all top threats in the lower tiers. Oricorio Electric rose to UU because of Quiver Dance. It's still a game-winning threat, and even its weaker forms are getting banned from lower tiers because Quiver Dance is THAT good.
>It absolutely is which is why nothing ever runs Bug moves unless they have to for STAB or because it's stuck on U-Turn.
Oh, so no one runs Bug moves unless they're using the best move in the game that everything wants to run.
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does. Ground and Fighting are the 2 most common offensive types in the game, while Flying, Rock, and Fire are especially uncommon after the dexcut in Gen 9. Even in a full dex, resisting Ground, Grass, and Fighting is fantastic. Heavy Duty Boots got rid of the biggest weakness of the type.
>Yeah I'm sure that's valuable when they have secondary types that resist Bug, moron.
That only makes them neutral to Bug, in which case they still get hit with big damage. Being neutral to Bug can be dangerous against threats like Heracross, Buzzwole, or Scizor.
>252 Atk Guts Heracross Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Delphox: 373-441 (128.1 - 151.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Grimmsnarl: 267-315 (80.6 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 Atk Scolipede Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 163-193 (47.8 - 56.5%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO
>The other Quiver Dancers are all top threats if you play this fanfic format that bans everything better than them
wow....no shit?
>Oh, so no one runs Bug moves unless they're using the best move in the game
U-Turn isn't even close to the best move in the game. Are you alright?
>Ground and Fighting are the 2 most common offensive types in the game
Man....too bad Pokemon can use four moves and not two.
>while Flying, Rock, and Fire are especially uncommon
No they aren't.
>Even in a full dex, resisting Ground, Grass, and Fighting is fantastic
Not when it has easily exploitable weaknesses and isn't doing jack shit to actually win you the game offensively.
>That only makes them neutral to Bug
Yeah, which is why the type is shit.
>irrelevant calcs
don't care
>I'm scared of missing Stone Edge in my moronic campaign replays against NPCs so that means the type has bad attacks
Missing attacks, especially ones with such low PP, is devastating. Attacks with that low accuracy should be 110 - 120 base power, not 100. Low accuracy is why Rock types are some of the least represented types in Singles, with even Tyranitar falling out of UU.
Both of the only 2 prominent Rock types use perfectly accurate attacks. Glimmora is one of the rare Rock-type special attackers, so it gets away with Power Gem, and Garganacl has Salt Cure. Kleavor also gets a signature move that is effectively Stealth Rocks but with decent damage, and yet it still can't even make it to OU.
Doubles is an irrelevant meme format, and even there Rock sees no usage.
>3 Bug types in the top 20 teams
>0 Rock types
Anti-Bug-gay BTFO
Lunge and Skitter Smack should be buffed to 100_90% with -2 in Attack Drops to make up for power creep
Many of the new moves in Gen 8 and 9 deserve buffs. Coaching, Corrosive Gas, and Terrain Pulse are all useless. Skitter Smack could see some use if it got a small buff and distributed more widely
Terrain Pulse is alright for the sole reason it gave my main crustacean a crazy strong attack. Too bad we'll have to wait for the DLC to get it back so I can Tera Grass Mega Launcher Terrain Pulse in Grassy Terrain for ludicrous damage.
Dexiting the swoosh DLC moves has to be one of the most baffling things they've done. What's the point of adding moves if you're only going to add them back on singular lines and throw the tutor in another dlc while cucking transfer moves.
Grassy glide had to go. It's not a reasonable move.
neither is close combat but they keep giving it to more and more pokemon
Close combat is balanced by the defense drops, and it's an awful move for coverage in general.
Grassy glide has no downside, you just get automatic grassy terrain and start sweeping with one of the strongest priority moves ever.
>fighting is awful coverage
There are better fighting moves for coverage, is obviously what he meant. Why the frick are you even posting if you're going to be so transparently disingenuous? People stopped replying to you about bugs so you jumped to this? Go the frick outside.
>hjk
Miss chance, ghosts and protect kill you
>low kick
Only relevant in exactly ubers and niche tech for gambit mirrors
>brick break
Astoundingly low bp
>focus punch
This isn't gen 3 anymore
>cross chop
Less BP and less accuracy
>superpower
Chunks your attack so it's way less spammable unless you're exactly enamourus
>anything elss
Like two mons get it vs CC being on a shit ton of things
If you're running a physical fighting move for coverage and you have the choice between any of these moves you're picking CC 100% of the time. Even Mienshao dropped HJK the second it got CC.
Still waiting for you to tell me what Pokemon exactly benefit from CC for coverage and frequently use it.
Gambit low kick
H Samurott Sacred Sword
Chien Pao Sacred Sword
Staraptor CC
Scizor CC
Palafin CC on non BU sets
Lycanroc (all three) CC
Kleavor CC
Barraskewda CC
Calyrex Ice CC
Krook CC
All of these often run fighting as a coverage. There's probably more I've forgotten since I just scrolled through CC's learnset.
Do Dazzling Gleam coverage, unless?
So you're just going to roll past and compeltely ignore how you thought he was talking about fighting type in general? Just hope everyone else forgets you said that so you can keep baiting with shit takes? Frick off.
Who uses CC for coverage?
Barraskewda
Glastrier
Beartic
Braviary
Staraptor
Brute Bonnet
Ceruledge
Haxorus
Kleavor
Krookodile
Lycanroc
Palafin
Zarude
Ursaring
Scizor
Perrserker
Grudge as an ability, does it need to come in?
Those moves have no synergy with anything like Rillaboom and Grassy Slide do
>Missing attacks, especially ones with such low PP, is devastating
You know what's even more devastating? Losing games because you're using weak moves that can't KO.
>Both of the only 2 prominent Rock types use perfectly accurate attacks
Tyranitar uses perfectly accurate attacks? Arcanine uses perfectly accurate attacks? Landorus uses perfectly accurate attacks?
>Doubles is an irrelevant meme format
The actual game is an irrelevant meme format?
>Tyranitar uses perfectly accurate attacks?
Tyranitar is RU, likely to drop to NU because RU is currently filled to the brim with Fighting types.
>The actual game is an irrelevant meme format?
The actual game is singles. VGC is a meme format that 98% of players don't touch. Smogon singles is about just as popular as VGC.
>Tyranitar is [FANFIC]
Stopped reading there.
Okay bootlicker.
>Smogon singles is about just as popular as VGC
If it drops to NU it's liable to go to NUBL. There's no way sandstorm and Tyranitar's genuinely good wide movepool is going to be healthy for NU.
>This is terrible and the fact that Bug isn't in the lowest tier by itself demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about.
Conversely, the fact that you think this shows YOU don't know what you're talking about. Bug is in no way the worst type in the game. It's by no means a good type, but it isn't as fricked as Grass, Rock or Ice.
Stop giving attention to someone who is intentionally posting shit takes.
You're right. I'm sorry.
>but it isn't as fricked as Grass
Grass is one of the most popular tera types and offensive grass type Pokemon like Rillaboom or Kartana always run valuable grass STAB, whereas Pokemon like Volcarona, Pheromosa, Scizor, Kleavor or M-Pinsir literally never carry bug moves aside from U-turn, that is just for pivoting.
Bug is absolutely useless from an offensive standpoint.
>Grass is one of the most popular tera types
In Doubles where you have to deal with Amoonguss and no sleep clause. In singles, Water, Fairy, and Ghost are way more common.
>bug
>better than rock
Defensively they’re both pretty bad (few resistances with weaknesses to common types (rock, fighting, etc)
But offensively rock is very good while bug is arguably the second worst after normal. Imagine only being good against 3 types (only one of which is actually good) and having SEVEN types resist you.
Resisting Fighting and Ground is huge, both incredibly common attacking types. It sucks to be resisted, but it's good good enough moves that a nice Megahorn doesn't need to be SE to be useful.
This is my moronation. S = you're pretty much never disappointed if a Pokemon has this type from a utility standpoint. Did I undersell Dragon? Fire and Grass I've always found really interesting balance wise. Grass especially. Itself managing to be its own most important counter despite five weaknesses is really neat to me.
Psychic is also really funny to me. Seems like it just barely manages to fall into the category of "people would prefer a Pokemon to not be this"
I'd like to say it's ordered but I know that's horseshit looking at B tier.
Grass has the saving grace of being a starter type so GF has to make it somewhat viable by giving it tons of gimmick or else kids wouldn't like the grass starter
Poison is a B tier type at minimum and has a argument for A tier. Simply really good defensively, checks Fairies and Fightings at once which Steel can't do, absorbs Toxic, absorbs Toxic Spikes for free, it's just really good all around and synergic with almost every other good type. Even offensively it's underrated due to its really powerful moves and having better neutral coverage than it looks. If you think Poison is a C tier type you haven't played any nugen seriously.
Dark is a A tier type for sure.
Ice is too strong offensively to be D tier but it has no defensive value. Water types with Ice Beam, which are barely around these days anyway, are not really a valid substitute, STAB is important.
Psychic looks poor on paper but in practice it's pretty useful especially offensively. Getting spammed on legendaries helps it for sure.
Bug is worse than Rock standalone but pairs better with other types and has better utility moves. Rock offers the least value out of any type (being a almost purely glass cannon type like Ice but worse), however I don't think any type is bad enough that it could be rated D tier.
Steel
Steel/Fairy with Levitate would be the best type and best mon we could have, yeah? Seems like those are the strongest then.
Au contraire, a Fairy/Ground type would be the best possible. Enamorus almost never runs Flying type attacks because it already hits everything in the game with just Fairy + Ground. Getting STAB on that would be absolutely busted, and having 2 immunities, 4 resistances, and only 4 weaknesses also makes it good on the defensive front.
Ground and fairy don't cover each other's weaknesses, though. Fairy/Steel Levitate would only be weak to Fire. And as you said, it can still just run ground moves.
Fairy should've been resisted by Normal and vice-versa
Fairy should be resisted by every type it's not strong against.
>say you're triggered without SAYING you're triggered
Fairy/Steel and Water/Ground
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fairy’s not it. it hits itself for neutral damage
Boy this thread is really jammed packed fully of shitty bait, isn't it.
It's because Fairygays refuse to admit that Fairy is a strong type for some reason.
I think it's because Fairy lovers tend to be queers and troons. Those people have a hard time accepting facts, logic and reality
I'd say steel. A lot of the current meta game is how well you can match between Fairy, Steel, and Dark. Fairy is busted, but steel is also really good.
>What’s the most broken type in the game?
Dragon with Lum
For the record, Fairy resisting Bug, Fighting, AND Dark is fricked up.
What does Dragon do for a Pokemon?
Water, Fire, Electric, and Grass resists are nice. It's pretty mid otherwise due to the prevalence of Fairy types in the meta. STAB Draco Meteor is also pretty good if you have Flash Cannon to cover Fairy types.
With how shilled Fairy is, I wouldn't be surprised if GF introduced Fairy/Fire and Fairy/Ground soon
Meanwhile it took GF like 3 gens to give a Fire/Steel or Dragon/Steel both of whom were legendaries
>Fairy/Ground
It would be considered Fairy. The only good Fairy type has been Mega Mawile
>The only good Fairy type has been Mega Mawile
You heard it here first, folks
Why are Fairygays so low iq bro?
I say Fire. Roasts the bugs, has 4 very strong move options, and kills the shroom.
with how swsh’s lead indeedee(female) and hatterene morphed into indeedee and armarouge in sv says alot about what types are best in vgc
Armarouge became obsolete the moment Cresselia was allowed in reg D
UrshifuYou could also say Cresselia is another Landorus-therian that streamlines teambuilding for zoomers
Offensively: Ice
Defensively: Steel
Literally broken: Bug
Scald
Rest in pieces.
The removal of that move singlehandedly killed off all water type special attackers except for Bundle
Bundle likely wouldn't have used it anyways. It would rather get the kill with Hydro Pump or Surf than to burn the opponent.
It’s called Chilling Water now
Chilling Water has far less power and doesn't have a permanent effect. If it were 60 - 70 base power and lowered Attack by 2 stages instead of just 1, it would be an okay-ish replacement, but as of now it's so shit Toxapex started using offensive sets rather than using Chilling Water.
Steel, no contest. One of its weaknesses has a billion ways to get around it and the other one is irredeemable garbage aside from a few legendaries (also fire is not a weakness since it's an unusable type with rain and rocks).
I don't think any type is outright broken. Steel is the best type in the game, and its presence is wholly necessary. Water is weirdly strong, but not crazy. Fairy IS stupid, but it's only stupid because Dragon was stupidly balanced on a micro level with those BSTs, rather than Dragon typing on a macro level being overbearing. Now Dragon as a type is just slightly better than Normal thanks to its defensive utility. It's also stupid that Fairy resists Bug. This is pretty much the only thing I would change.
I'm convinced that both Dark and Ghost are becoming too powerful. I don't know if they're broken yet, but they have gotten nothing but direct and passive buffs for the past four generations. Both are incredibly safe offensive types now that Steel no longer resists them, Knock Off got the buff, and specific Ghost types have powerful attacks in their movesets now. I really think they need to look at nerfing them going into the next generation, whether that is removing Dark's Prankster immunity, making Steel at least resist Dark again, coming up with another type that can resist Ghost or even hit it for SE, or passively nerfing them by buffing another type like Psychic, Normal or Bug.
let's make fairy resist ghost!
Fairy should drop the bug resist.
Dark prankster immunity should ignore the priority not make the move outright fail.
Give all bugs infiltrator or a unique type effect similar to ones other types get. (fire/electric/ice cannot be burned/paralyzed/frozen, grass type powder immunity, poison toxic spikes absorbtion, ghost trap immunity).
While at it add another one of those interactions for ice types, can't think of anything atm.