you can
you can also buy a lottery ticket and win a gorillion dollars.
you don't think the 3d WEG market is flooded with homosexuals who think they can make summertime saga money? Guess what, it is. Even the ones that have effort put into them don't make much at all, some have been doing the grind for years and barely make $1k a month. Most just abandon the game cause no money was given.
It's not 2016 anymore, you're not gonna make any bank doing WEGs now.
Well except furry WEGS for some reason
Looking at most WEGs that hardly seems to be the roadblock you think it is. Just make some cheap renpy about POPULAR WAIFU and watch the money roll in.
this, even if I was to no life making a game for a hobby, I would almost assuredly release it for free when it made significant progress and was capable of being modded.
i have the ability to write, and i can figure out how to program. but thats only half of the draw. if i can't draw the art myself i'm outsourcing too large a portion of the project to someone else for me to monetize it
not him but I've been doing it for like 2 years and there's only so long I can pseudo neet once i've finished my degree. My art's kinda shithouse too. Can't draw backgrounds, can't draw hands, can't make my stuff have depth, can't remember anatomy.
I don't even wanna make money I just wanna be able to make nice looking stuff in styles I like tbqfh
>not an excuse
Not him. But as much as people shit on summertime saga's art. The wikihow artstyle has impact and the game would have never gotten any traction if the art wasn't so reminiscent of it.
It's not something just any amateur could have capitalized on.
>It's not something just any amateur could have capitalized on
what does it matter if he's a master of arts or started to draw yesterday? he didn't get memend cause his already known status and fame
I said as a child, my palsey has progressed far enough now that I can't even draw a circle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
im handicapted and its getting worse, but this shit just seems even more horrifying. I would tie a noose and keep it around just incase i want to end it but would be unable to tie it anymore
True but the art still looks like shit and is completely unattractive
Also the only way it resembles wikihow is looking like it was drawn by an amateur
>Hi honey! >Hi sweety good morning. You know what that means! >Milk time? >Milk time! Time for your milky willy and then we'll get your yummy cummy wummy
There you go, now just make the big titty wife and generic brown hair man in minecraft and we'll be rich in no time. I'm taking 60%
I don't have any artistic talent, and actually coding something (a thing I CAN do) would take more time than most of these people put in with ren'py or other such drag n drop creators.
I simply don't have the tools necessary for it.
Also I hate that sort of laziness that patreon promotes. I make money by NOT finishing my game. I have to constantly stretch everything out, just seems shitty, or it stops one day. It just blows my mind.
I tried, spent about 4 years practicing every day, and it just doesn't get any better. Turns out a former brain injury left my finer motor skills related to drawing pretty much gone. I can't even draw stick figures, I have the brain of a punch drunk 50 year old former boxer.
Frick you guy, I have a factory job where I work 60 hour weeks and make $25 an hour and I hate it cause I get no time to myself but I would be stupid to give it up.
>60 hour weeks
OOF >$25/hour
that's kinda nice though what type of work? comfy stuff or the high speed repetitive soul sucking conveyor belt manual labor shit that makes you want to shoot your brains out after 10 minutes? still though those rates are really good
Most of this place is literally underage homosexuals that don't work. Then the rest are NEETs and minimum wage workers. Like 1% even make over 70k a year
Weird you must be a Redditor or something with some preconceived notion of this site. Sure there are some people here who are unemployed but most of us aren't.
I've been here since 2011 you obvious homosexual. Ive probably posted more than you've read on this site since you've been here in your short tenure. This board is a shithole. Not all boards are like this and you'll find certain high earners flock to certain kinds of generals on other boards. But you can assume you're talking to someone that makes shit for money or no money and you'd be right make than 9 out of 10 times on here.
If it didn't go to anons it'd go to single mothers, Black folk, and immigrants.
I'm a wagie but I don't begrudge the NEET his bennies; to take bread out of the invaders' mouths I'd feed Satan himself.
eh i wouldnt call it good, her hands are all fricked up
her pussy looks weird, especially with hair
her nipples are a 2nd smaller boob clipping through her breasts which makes it look super weird when she bounces up and down
only thing thats actually good is her abs if you oil her up
Even if I was able to draw or model well enough to make a porn game I can't feel any level of passion for those types of games.
I've considered working on other games, solodev style. But never a porn game, it's not a moral thing or anything, I get how much money can be scammed from coomers with it and everything but if I make a game I would want it to be something else.
Because I'm not that good as doing that shit and the market for being a indie dev/paying people is cornered. The people who are taking in those dollars are immense drama homosexuals. The yandere dev guy was talking about killing himself and got super asshurt when another yandere game started to be made because it was progressing faster than his.
I've been on a patreon scam deep dive binge lately and holy shit, it doesn't take much guys. There are a shitload of people out there dying to give you their money but because there's weirdly so few actually talented creators they just get raped by blatant scammers who break 90% of their promises and are yet still in Patreon's top 30.
You guys don't get it, this is your prime chance to actually make money doing something you love. This sort of opportunity literally didn't exist in the entirety of human history but its here right now and you homies have ceded the field to conmen who don't even try to be convincing.
I didn't mean you can go on Patreon and do literally anything and get 10,000 subscribers. You still have to work hard and advertise. It's just that people are succeeding by only doing the latter because there's such a dearth of the former.
I've been on a patreon scam deep dive binge lately and holy shit, it doesn't take much guys. There are a shitload of people out there dying to give you their money but because there's weirdly so few actually talented creators they just get raped by blatant scammers who break 90% of their promises and are yet still in Patreon's top 30.
You guys don't get it, this is your prime chance to actually make money doing something you love. This sort of opportunity literally didn't exist in the entirety of human history but its here right now and you homies have ceded the field to conmen who don't even try to be convincing.
I'm starting now but I think it might be too late, and the time of wegs making bank is dying out.
>and the time of wegs making bank is dying out.
Oh no you actually to put in some effort in to make money. How terrible!
2 years ago
Anonymous
effort isn't tied to success, especially when it comes to patreon porn scams moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You miss the point. The supporters are aware of scammers and won't support Ren'Py / Daz garbage since both of these are huge redflags. Hope you can draw, model and/or use a game engine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The supporters are aware of scammers and won't support Ren'Py / Daz garbage
LMAO, that's what all the top earners are though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No shit. There are some morons left but nowhere near as many as 2-3 years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The supporters are aware of scammers and won't support Ren'Py / Daz garbage
LMAO, that's what all the top earners are though.
It really is worrying, seems for each moron who learns their lesson the hard way, 5 new idiots are born
2 years ago
Anonymous
Be an ESL somewhere else.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh wow we have a fricking self-proclaimed grammar teacher here
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm ETL b***h. Your homosexual language can suck my balls
Almost nobody can do everything on their own and certain genius devs accidentally gave people the impression that its the norm rather than the outlier.
You have to get a team together, its how humanity has always worked. Yes that's a huge hurdle and is the part that filters me, however the spoils are worth it for anyone with an ounce of people skills or persistence.
>I just can't code for shit
you dont need to
renpy is very easy to use
you can learn how to make a vn in less than an hour
I feel like theres truth to both of these. If I ever come across a code chad willing to team up I'm ready tbh but yeah chances of finding someone you get along to work with and having ideas that are on the same path are stupidly low
Almost nobody can do everything on their own and certain genius devs accidentally gave people the impression that its the norm rather than the outlier.
You have to get a team together, its how humanity has always worked. Yes that's a huge hurdle and is the part that filters me, however the spoils are worth it for anyone with an ounce of people skills or persistence.
coding VNs is piss easy, I coded one in a day and never coded before.
This >Kingdom of Deception
Make one update in basically 6 months, and openly admit it's fully ready but you are gonna stretch it out in 3 parts so devs could relax on a beach and after last release get back on the work.
What kind of game is it and how much effort do you put into outreach/marketing
That shit is distasteful sure but if people have never heard of you they can't subscribe right? Word of mouth only goes so far unless your game is better than sliced bread.
If people are able to pay for stupid shit doesn't that mean that everyone is overpaid and just become poor from bad spending habits? That's how it is here. People earn well enough but they spend it on stupid shit and then cry how nothing is enough and something about taxes.
Can attest, I know a woman that NEEDS at least $60 a day for personal shit like food. She was complaining how she doesn't have much for herself so she has to do side gigs.
Gamedev is casino, you can easily spend years and earn nothing. Programmers get paid way better in non-gamedev job. $250k a year for a single gamedev is super rare and incredible. Same $250k for a good experience senior programmer in corporation is normal.
Face it, you've convinced yourself making money like this is something only "other people" can do because rotting away in mediocrity and never pursuing your ambitions is comforting
But literally the only difference between you and them is that they decided to go for it
That's a comforting lie you tell yourself to not face the reality that mediocrity is something you're born into. In the middle ages it was obvious to people that some were noblemen and some were peasants - and that nobility ran in the blood. The ancient Greeks understood this too.
It is only liberal modernity that has the peasants believe they could become princes if they tried hard enough.
If you were a prince, you would not be posting on Ganker but you'd be doing something. But you're not, you're a peasant who is unable to come to terms with who he is.
Laziness and complacency. I make 115k doing tech stuff in vidya. I don't need to promote myself or do any social media. I just have to make sure things systems work well.
>patreon making $14k/month >pirate game >it's just sims 4 images and videos with VN text over top >they still take a full month to release 2 shitty scenes
there's literally no reason you can't do this besides your idiotic religious guilt
the time it would take me to be able to draw an equivalent amount would be better spent on honing what i'm already better at, doing classes at uni, working out, etc.
plus, the fetish content that would keep me interested is banned on patreon
Not him but Patreon has issues with e-girl, bestiality, incest and more. Probably anything that isn't either vanilla or homo. And they're not very precise either, they'll whack you just for getting too close to any no-no subjects.
>draw an equivalent
that's the best part, you don't draw, you screenshot scenes in sims or skyrim or other similar games that allow for posing and go on with your life
Yeah this shit is literally 90% scams
My personal creative output at my peak is higher than these frickheads and I wasn't even showing anybody else
I know there are tons of Anons here that could make sound projects and want to but just have one hang up or another
At the very least "the competition is fierce" shouldn't be a hang up because the competition is fricking incompetent at anything other than stringing along desperate morons
the time it would take me to be able to draw an equivalent amount would be better spent on honing what i'm already better at, doing classes at uni, working out, etc.
plus, the fetish content that would keep me interested is banned on patreon
Why isn't there a website dedicated to helping people form teams? Yeah there's various creative platforms out there but nothing specifically designed around matchmaking.
a lot of these wildly successful startups struggle to make a profit because user engagement doesn't directly translate to money for the investors
Ironically Patreon is one of these cases
I don't enjoy coding and getting a following like this often involves networking and constantly sucking yourself off on social media and whatnot, I don't have an actual idea for a game like that and I don't honestly get that much out of making that much more money.
It's sort of nice and would be helpful, but largely not worth the effort even if I had an idea, the only thing that'd make me actually do it is wanting my game made or wanting to see the thing in my head translated to reality.
I'd have to improve a decent bit with my art to be happy with it for something like this, too, and I really don't enjoy practicing drawing.
I've given it a try before, but the scope quickly balloons out of control and I'm not disciplined enough to put in an hour or two a day writing something. I prefer just jerking off to my concepts in my head, less effort.
Not him but its shocking how many bad modellers are out there. However you'll just melt together with the rest of the mediocrity unless you're particularly talented or hardworking. Doing things on the side for fun will never be able to compete with someone who is actually driven and serious.
I've:
- Drawn for 10+ years
- Coded for 10+ years
- Written for 10+ years
- Made a couple really simple games, like flash game tier
And I have some ideas for games or RPGM/VNs.
Only thing is I'm not sure if it'd be fun to make a game. I feel like I'd just end up as a slave to my work, so it'd be the same thing as a job in the first place
Should I bait some Patreon money with a niche game like some NTR or femdom shit? Or even furryshit
It's never really "fun" to embark on a huge project or do the grindy tedious work, the fun is the payoff and having a permanent feather in your cap
Even completing a shitty game puts you head and shoulders around consoomer NPC swine, forever
furries just get their OCs drawn fricking their friends' OCs and so on, they really don't care about games
sorry I was meming a bit, I'll never sell my soul out to furries. my bad
futa with a focus on cuddling is the only way to go
consider it considered
It's never really "fun" to embark on a huge project or do the grindy tedious work, the fun is the payoff and having a permanent feather in your cap
Even completing a shitty game puts you head and shoulders around consoomer NPC swine, forever
How do people even make money? Is it like any other creative endeavor where it's entirely a dice roll, and hoping for the algorithm to like what you're doing? Do they just start a kickstarter out of the blue?
>Fanza lumped cheating, swapping and stealing with NTR tag.
It's the same shit. Nobody cares about your autistic "uh uh uhhhh, this isn't netorare, this is netorase!!" distinctions.
A lot of people dont mind fricking a mommy even if shes still married to some offscreen guy. People dont enjoy watching their woman get fricked by another guy. So I think that distinction does matter
It's not about tolerating "wife cheating to offscreen guy", it's about having a fetish for it.
And anyone who has a fetish for cheating wives is a subhuman worm worthy only of disgust. Doesn't matter who is being cheated on.
Do it, you'll either love it if you're the kind of person who enjoys it or you'll drop it and nothing of value will be lost. It's not always inviting, and you'll have lots of challenging moments, but most of the times it's crazy enjoyable and the feel of completing something in your life on your own really makes it worth it. Or at least I think so, i had tons of fun while making minor assets for sale. Got gitlab running just to keep track of what I'm doing so I'll be able to easily trace back changes or see where i stopped on last time, got some tasks written down, planning took quater of what i did overall, but it was the first time i ever genuinely finished something worthwhile on my own. And it really felt good. Finishing complex projects is an art of its own, and there is lots of enjoyment to be found in act of learning how to do it right.
One of my best memories was of this hellish crunch where I had to finish a solo art project by myself after my teammates flaked out on me last moment
Unfortunately the project was inherently cringe so I can't show anyone but a part of me knows I'm capable of great things and superior to most human beings
What programs seemed to be most used for making these things? Is there a popular tool or framework? I feel like unity or unreal would be overkill for what seems to be glorified visual novels? I program for a living, so I'm almost tempted to give it a try.
I'm not an artgay. I'm also not social enough to be able to coerce people into giving me money on twitter, discord and other social media. If I hypothetically had a clear vision of some sex game I want to make I would need someone to manage marketing and someone to manage art.
Also imo it's way easier as an artist that can't code to start a project like this because non of these projects require any real coding anyway. Additionally you actually can show people something. Nobody cares about how garbage or well made the backend of your game is - what matters is what potential buyers can actually see.
Build it and they will coom
I think people put too much emphasis on marketing and running a discord full of homosexuals, you only need to do all that if you're a con artist who is stringing people along
If someone has an actual quality project so long as they aren't literally walled themselves off from the rest of humanity, word of mouth will do the trick >I'm not an artgay
This is a problem though, art is one of the ways people get a rapid read on your project and helps it stand out. But that's also why so many projects are pure style and no substance and need a constant dripfeed of propaganda to retain subscribers...
One of the highest grossing patreons is Virt-A-Mate which isn't even an artistic project, literally just an engine for running daz assets in realtime. But it impressed people with its sheer technical chops.
It's pretty easy from what I remember. Python itself is super simple and you can always open other games code in a text editor to see how they do all the cool fx.
Interesting
it depends how moronic are you?
Well I post on Ganker so a bit but I'm not too moronic
Its not about learning the basic shit you need to know to become another pointless VN.
Its about having the stamina to actually do some work and be consistent with content.
Which is something most people on here dont have.
Especially if you wanted to make a game and not just a VN.
>get rich from patreon furshit >family asks how do you have money despite being a neet
how do you respond?
I dont do furshit, but I do adult stuff ... I just tell my parents and my friends I code and do some 3D. Works well enough.
It's pretty easy from what I remember. Python itself is super simple and you can always open other games code in a text editor to see how they do all the cool fx.
I don't give enough of a shit about money to start developing a shit game all by myself, however I would love to draw for someone else's lewd patreon project and get a decent cut out of it.
I wouldn't know where to even promote it. It doesn't matter how good it is if nobody hears of it, and unless you are lucky, you'll get drowned out by a ton of other projects.
If its free and good you'll get donations, just not as many as if you paywalled and spent 90% of your time shilling it and trying to squeeze your subscribers
That's the idea, I want to believe that if people care they will support it. And something like in itchio where it's free but if people want they can pay whatever they want. Sounds like shooting yourself in the foot but paywalling my shit feels bad.
There is nothing evil about getting paid for your work.
Just yesterday I was looking into how much would 30 minutes of custom soundtrack cost me from a composer that isnt complete dogshit- I quickly grew to appreciate the subtle intricacies of free stock music.
>There is nothing evil about getting paid for your work.
think about whether you would pay for your own work if it was done by someone else
if you wouldnt then you shouldnt be taking money for it
Not the anon you're replying to but it's as if you read my mind, I feel exactly that way. Sounds absolutely moronic but I think this way.
If I do any creative effort I'll do it for free (for a while at least) to make up for all the piracy I've committed
Not because I feel guilty or anything but because I desire balance in all things
>There is nothing evil about getting paid for your work.
This is true but paywalling your shit without thinking about things means nobody will even know you exist and you won't get paid
Unless your product is of such overwhelming obvious universal quality you'll need to coax people in somehow. And even then you'll at least need to market.
The thing is being actually good isn't a given. Itch.Io for instance, most of that is trash that you'd have to pay people to play but I wonder how many of the devs realize it.
Good stuff rises to the top typically by word of mouth alone these days, "hidden gems" aren't really a thing anymore
If its free and good you'll get donations, just not as many as if you paywalled and spent 90% of your time shilling it and trying to squeeze your subscribers
I have more respect for Jap RPGM h-game devs than incest harem VN Ren'py shit. /weg/ Black folk have the worst taste in porn content imaginable and it's their fault that 99% of western h-games are lazy uninspired trash.
If an entire field sucks and is filled with low quality trash that just means its ripe to be taken over by higher effort trash
See Genshin Impact demolishing png gachas
Or in the case of Jap h-games, Ricca mogging the RPGM trash
I'll hold my breath for a quality western game mogging all the low effort harem incest shit that /weg/ Black folk paypig for. Why put in effort to make a good game when morons will still give you money for making the same derivative shit over and over again?
I don't have an excuse, I'm reading about Unreal Engine currently. After I finish reading these pdf books then I'll install it and do youtube tutorials. Then I will make my very own version of Earth 2 and sell NFTs! I'll be the scummiest dude ever. I'd like to make a million dollars and then disappear.
I just installed Blender and am going to attempt the donut tutorial on youtube later today. My dream is to design low-poly, simple assets akin to SMRPG's character designs, but probably not as well-designed.
I played this daily for a few months but at some point it became a bit samey since I only have a few toys and am not gonna go out and buy "smart" shock collars and more sex toys to link to the app and shit so I stopped
I named my Succubus Towa and went the whole way only cumming to her and never on my own and stuff, was really hot while it lasted but frick if I'm paying 20$ a month for porn
It honestly fit really well because the Succubus sometimes acts completely moronic and very stupid too, there's a tail that look like Twapy's too
I'm ok with not being able to pick costumes freely since it adds to how alive and independent she feels but I really wish they'd let you customize the hairstyle at least, would make it even better
I have looked into it but don't like to play unfinished games and thus don't like to release unfinished games.
One obvious alternative would be steam. But the majority of adult games don't do that well on steam especially with an unknown name.
The other choice is to work a few years on it and release it on patreon. But then what? Can't just work on the next game as no one will keep paying if you don't release updates.
Considering I hardly spend time cataloguing them, me knowing of a good one would already mean it's popular. My point was that statistically if there's more titles vying for users' attention, the amount of attention a single given title gets diminishes, regardless of quality. This is no different from other media.
My point is you're pushing a tired false narrative
Hidden gems don't exist anymore because there's so much word of mouth these days that anything remotely decent gets catapulted into recognition. Hell, there's such a shortage of gems people are dedicated to rooting out hidden gems from decades ago.
Its a narrative pushed by butthurt faildevs who need a scapegoat for why their cookie cutter piece of crap didn't get any attention, or lazy pieces of shit who want a reason to not even try to compete with the flood of shovelware
2 years ago
Anonymous
>My point is you're pushing a tired false narrative
There's no narrative. The claim you're making is literally unfalsifiable, since the moment I bring up a game you can either say it:
a. is unpopular because it's shit (whatever threshold of popularity you have)
b. is obviously popular because it's good.
As such, you don't have an argument. >there's so much word of mouth these days that anything remotely decent gets catapulted into recognition.
If word of mouth and quality were enough, marketing as an industry wouldn't exist. If products that were good were the most popular, beats by Dr Dre wouldn't be anywhere near the top spot in audio sales.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We both know that you don't have even a single example of a game that doesn't get the attention it deserves but you'll go on acting like there's a gorillion forgotten unknown masterpieces out there
At most you have some weird niche shit that draws an appropriate weird niche shit profit but for some reason you think it deserves to be a mass appeal breakout hit competing with AAA
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't give you examples because I don't even give a shit about porn games, I don't understand why you keep on insisting I have to have expertise about the subject. I can give you plenty of examples from areas I care about, but we're discussing video games.
Once more, since you're being very slow to get this, the more competition there is, regardless of quality, the less likely you are to be noticed.
Also, since we're doing the "we both" bit now, we both know that the most popular games are hardly the best, so I don't know why you insist so much on this popularity = quality just world nonsense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Look, this is clearly a lost cause but I hope you continue thinking about how incapable you are of actually proving your point and instead funnel all your effort into convoluted explanations as to why your fake narrative is akshually real
Assuming you're not braindead, you'll figure it out eventually and apply the lessons learned to all the other myths and fables you hold close to your heart and then the world will finally make sense to you
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're right, this is a lost cause because you're religiously convinced all the world is fair and people who are good magically rise to the top, even though shit gacha games have been dominating charts for years.
Assuming you ever actually have to interact with the real world, it will be a rude awakening, but it will make you a better person. Perhaps you'll even stop believing in the just world fallacy, maybe even learn a bit about statistics and what power law distributions are. I'm not counting on it, but would be nice.
Au revoir, last reply from me, so save your bon mots for another thread.
Even decent ones don't do that well. There is only a handful adult games on steam who have good numbers like House Party, Being a Dick and a few others.
>don't do that well
compared to what? Is VN garbage made out of premade assets supposed to rake in big bucks? Patreon is the preferred platform for this sort of trash for a reason, people expect actual games on Steam for the most part
>compared to what?
Compared to doing a normal job as developer. Even a entry position will earn you around 60k per year. If you work 2-3 years on a game it's 120-180k you would have to earn. That's without any commissioned work. If you need to outsource art, sound or similar it pretty fast can turn into basically working for free unless it's a top hit.
>Compared to doing a normal job as developer.
Yeah but then you're doing a normal job as a developer, not making games while working for yourself. Maybe thats the life you want but clearly not everyone does.
2 years ago
Anonymous
One has to also pay bills even if you work for yourself. If you investing 2-3 years without income into a steam game but can already expect it to not do well the chances are high you will just be forced back into a normal job at one point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you have no talent or self marketing ability or really anything to bring to the table, yes you obviously should go be a cubicle drone for the financial safety that brings but why are you here in this particular thread though
2 years ago
Anonymous
If one has skill the likely better option is to just make a normal game for steam. Skilled devs go mostly for normal games as those have a higher income potential. It's probably why there aren't many good adult games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Probably, if someone wants to make an erotic game there's other platforms for that and funding development via patreon and then dumping the game on Steam whenever its finished is something people do
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sure patreon is the working option. But one has to be willing to milk their supporters for it to work well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do people not understand how patronage works and has always worked and why the system has existed throughout history
And nobody has to "milk" their supporters in fact I wish people wouldn't. Just deliver the fricking promised works within a reasonable timeframe. It's that simple and just like showing up to a job on time its low hanging fruit that automatically gives you an advantage over the rabble.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Milking in ideally not finishing the game.
Take the Behind the Dune dev. He has a complete game which is decently well known and has good quality but makes just 4k.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Milking takes a lot of work, its just the work is all in PR and discord micromanagement rather than gamedev. Now thats fine if you're much better at the former than the latter but otherwise it might be more prudent to make a good product and maintain a reputation rather than stripmining your audience and maybe making yourself a legal target like some patreon scammers when they take things too far.
Also there's an argument to be made for projects that deliver periodic content, some people like that and don't want it to end. Like a sitcom or comicbook. I wouldn't necessarily call projects like that scams.
Sure if you are in the top the numbers are high. Take Dreams of Desire with estimated 40k sales for 12€. Ignoring discounts that's around half a million. But one has to keep in mind that's probably one of the top 1% best known games. Only 1 out of 100 devs is able to get there. Are you?
It's not just the top ones, really shit ones still make $100K+, like I said there is 2$ jigsaw puzzle porn games that have made $200K+. DLSite shows the number of sales, and Steam is 5-10X that at least.
pleasuremancer.
>$10K in the hole for this
lmao, he's lying or got major ripped off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>lmao, he's lying or got major ripped off.
I cant really see why he would lie about it, since he already abandoned the project and I dont imagine a lot of people will give him pitymoney if that wont get reinvested into the game.
I can imagine it can get pretty expensive if all the art in your game is commissioned, full color and with detailed backgrounds
2 years ago
Anonymous
>really shit ones still make $100K+
Ok, then why aren't there more at least decent games? For a country with low costs of living 100k would be a lot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ok, then why aren't there more at least decent games?
Idk mate, there is a lot of shovelware even with non-porn games.
Looking at most WEGs that hardly seems to be the roadblock you think it is. Just make some cheap renpy about POPULAR WAIFU and watch the money roll in.
>POPULAR WAIFU
that's illegal, you can't just take someone's property, you're leaving your butthole wide open to be raped by lawyers
Some russian guy can just steal popular waifu and get away with it.
A lot of these morons only know how to use premade daz models, and don't know how to use SFM or blender game rip models. I was tempted to make a overwatch VN but also a lot of these guys are thirdworlders and don't have to worry as much about getting sued.
Tried it, on my first session after a few edges she told me to keep count how many times she makes me flick my tied up balls and just kept going and going
I counted up to like 150 or something moronicly high barely putting any force into my flicks anymore because it was far too much and she told me I was wrong and repeated it from the start
I gave up right there since my balls aren't made out of steel and had I done it seriously all the way through they'd probably be damaged so I hit Disobey until she let it go, then she got angry and made me violently edge a few more times while I was twisting my nipples and then halfway through the ending sequence she decided to blueball me, didn't let me cum, and proclaimed I was now in chastity for the next 5 days as punishment but would still have to come see here every one of those chastity days for edge and denial play or she would never forgive me.
Gave up right there and never opened the game again, clearly this isn't for me.
turn down pain tolerance and maybe disable counted tasks
you can accidentally make her commands way too tough if you don't know what you are doing with the sliders
I'm a virgin man, how am I supposed to make my dream game about a lesbian harem getting each other pregnant and going through pregnancy? how am I supposed to animate that and write it realistically? Even if I could character model and gameplay and sex scene I still can't music and sound design and character voice acting
voice acting.
[...] >be an astronaut >write a story about space >its boring as frick, nobody likes it
Actual non-virgins know that realistic sex is boring, its cartoonish and embellished in fiction for a reason LIKE LITERALLY EVERYTHING
Do virgins even realize how obvious they are
gays I mean that I would literally have to watch weeks of lesbian porn on top of reading a shit ton of books on how to take care of your pregnant wife and what you can expect she would feel during pregnancy, and I would have to write dialogue, write dialogue thats not autistic, write dialogue thats not autistic and gets people off, write a sexy relationship between multiple women with at least somewhat compelling characters and dynamics, figure out how to make more than 5 different lesbian sex scenes per harem member without everything getting samey or dipping into fetishes I don't have, etc., etc.
without even any experience erping.
jesus christ dude, I'm imagining you getting hired to write a script for a porno and having a meltdown because you've never been a pizza delivery boy
coombrains get a -50 IQ penalty, you don't have to make your writing airtight and believable. Just titillating.
Are you implying that actual games on average have good writing
They're even worse than most VNs man
Well it seems like you're determined to self-sabotage any effort in the crib so whatever
bros I want to write a story about space but I don't want to do research... and for some reason I can't write the story until I understand 100% of everything ever instead of focusing on the important bits, it's over bros...
bros I'm not an astronaut, how am I supposed to write a story about space...
>be an astronaut >write a story about space >its boring as frick, nobody likes it
Actual non-virgins know that realistic sex is boring, its cartoonish and embellished in fiction for a reason LIKE LITERALLY EVERYTHING
Do virgins even realize how obvious they are
Should I do a Patreon scam vn? I can get the game part done easily with high quality, I just don't know how to get it known so I can milk and abuse my moron subscribers.
streamers can do patreons without even trying to produce anything other than being a personality. So not only do you need a compelling product but you need to be able to self market. I dont think a majority of Ganker could do Yandere devs scam. I would feel like I'm ripping people off doing that.
I make almost 4k a month from porn animations. I would do games but I'm not a very good programmer, and I already take a really fricking long time when it comes to animation. I can't imagine trying to add more work to that. If I wanted to make a porn game, I wouldn't want to half ass dating sim either, and at that point, I might as well make a real full game.
It's one of the bigger sex games on Patreon, people just don't really talk much about how they enjoy having their masturbation managed by a virtual anime girl telling them how to stroke their wieners and slap their balls around.
should I go the softcore porn game route? Is that how I make big emones? My shit's jank but that doesn't seem to stop people and making something on the model of monster girl island with worse art seems easy enough
should I go the softcore porn game route? Is that how I make big emones? My shit's jank but that doesn't seem to stop people and making something on the model of monster girl island with worse art seems easy enough
Yeah I should obviously go work 10x as hard in a 1000x more stressful environment doing something completely unfulfilling to make less money because...I just should, ok?!?!
Its odd how many of them use generic unity store assets and end up looking exactly like other games
Operation Lovecraft is carried by its art assets and its raking in an absurd amount despite barely coming up with anything promised
Imagine what a halfway competent dev with that level of art direction could achieve
It's not their fault western devils are frightening, treacherous and wicked
Imagine how confused and sad your average autistic Jap feels when he goes on twitter and gets dogpiled by trannies for breaking whatever weird social taboo they invented that week
I saw a picture of a jap explaining to other japs whats up with american professional protesters. Something like >if you see pronouns in the profile its some kind of weirdo you should ignore
yeah there are plenty of great japanese artists that make pennies because they dont know how to communicate or properly sell their art while shitty deviantart scribblers make 20k+ per month
marketing and networking and dealing with foreign money is a talent like any other and if you're good at it, that can carry you
its no different in the big business world or at the personal level, Ganker never gives enough credit to producers and such, the guys who literally make things happen
Anyone who just thinks they can make something and quietly release it into the wild like a wild bird they nursed back to health stands a high chance of ngmi
producers do the jobs that I usually suck at like making schedules, following up on progress, bringing the right departments together to solve problems and sitting in meetings all day. Its the biggest reason I'm not making indie games and am a cog in the wheel at a AAA studio. I don't enjoy doing all that stuff but its very important for releasing finished products.
it's easy for a producer to do that, given they are receiving like 3 hour paid lunches each day
2 years ago
Anonymous
And yet strangely producers are in much higher demand and shorter supply than your average codemonkey or art grunt
I bet you're one of those childish redditor morons who think CEOs do literally nothing but sit in a chair and absorb money passively. Grow the frick up dude.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh my frick
2 years ago
Anonymous
What a stupidly oversimplified view
CEOs sign contracts that their workers prepare for them
2 years ago
Anonymous
kek
living the dream, god I wish I was born into the CEO caste...
2 years ago
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yea for sure but im just glad other people are handling it because ive been on games with barely any producers and there was a good deal of crunch that resulted from people adding too much.
anyone with talent is making games that get picked up by publishers and they make about 3x that much just on their first title in 1 month.
if you dont love that shit, youll never be good at it. and if you do love it and make it your entire life, you'll never have anything else. i feel sorry for this poor coomer, i wouldnt trade him even though he makes more money than me.
>Go through years of uni for a degree >mfw I see dudes making 6 figures a year on patreon with minecraft mods >mfw no face
Man I picked the wrong fricking career path
Its a 1 in a 100 shot at making dosh though. Recently a WEG was abandoned because the dev was paying artists to make nice handdrawn art instead of shitty DAZmodels. And he ended up tens of thousands in the red because the patreon didnt grow.
That's unfortunate and some projects blow up due to artist drama for sure but it comes down to project management such as not having flaky artists or ones that are too expensive for the scope of the project. Even well established investors blow tons of money on failed projects that never stood a chance or were just mismanaged.
In a perfect world a dev would have an inhouse artist that he has rapport with and is personally invested in the project (taking a cut of the profits rather than an upfront salary.) Taking on all the risk personally is potentially profitable but also risky, right?
My point was that WEG arent as guaranteed as you might think.
Whether people like your project or not is just a shot in the dark, you can update regularly, have good art and writing, and are consistent, but still end up with only a few thousand per month. And if youre only making a few hundred every month for months, you wonder if youre just working till you make a breakthrough, or youre just not interesting enough for a larger audience.
Ideally, you are an artist and writer by yourself, or you have an artist that you can trust to give it 100%. But even that doesnt guarantee success.And most people dont have that, so you either learn how to make shitty DAZ models, or you commission artists, invest a lot of money into something that might never give a return, and pray you end up with a good amount of patreonbux.
I mean if you're doing the exact same shit as everyone at a mediocre level, of course its going to be a roll of the dice. But you don't have to, you're supposed to be trying to get a leg up on your competition.
>But you don't have to, you're supposed to be trying to get a leg up on your competition.
I keep tabs on a lot of projects, and ive seen both garbage succeed, and interesting projects crash and burn.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is it more likely that its completely absolutely random or that you just haven't identified where each project fails or succeeds?
One of those possibilities absolves you of agency I suppose.
2 years ago
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>But you don't have to, you're supposed to be trying to get a leg up on your competition.
I keep tabs on a lot of projects, and ive seen both garbage succeed, and interesting projects crash and burn.
I think it's fetishes that play a major factor, cuckshit makes money even if the art or models are shit. It's a bit random though.
2 years ago
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There are a lot of underserviced fetishes out there but I think people who don't personally enjoy the fetish might have a hard time portraying it properly, fetishists are pretty specific and their desperation only goes so far. I've seen a lot of furries grossed out by the VGCats dude's smut
2 years ago
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>Is it more likely that its completely absolutely random or that you just haven't identified where each project fails or succeeds?
Decent projects with decent update schedules that don't have some sort of poisonpill fetish will usually break $1000 a month, at least.
2 years ago
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You need to be making something people want and you need to convince them you aren't just another fricking scam. That's it.
Absolute garbage like this https://f95zone.to/threads/twisted-world-v0-5-public-snatsgames.70143/
makes $5000+ a month because it hits a niche and has a semi-reliable update schedule. Doesn't matter that it looks like shit, written like shit and smells like shit.
2 years ago
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Reminds me of syndicated comics, I think they're all fricking bland garbage but people absolutely love them and get attached to them to the point that they're cultural staples. Maybe what people really want is their weekly Ziggy comic but with a dash of NTR/incest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Honestly I don't know that many NTR games that make significant amounts of money. There are some, but they really do seem more like the exception than the rule. Incest on the other hand is a clear winner.
2 years ago
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Reminds me of syndicated comics, I think they're all fricking bland garbage but people absolutely love them and get attached to them to the point that they're cultural staples. Maybe what people really want is their weekly Ziggy comic but with a dash of NTR/incest.
Yeah, NTR is pretty niche and usually scares away more people than it attracts. Incest is a lot more tame. Some light corruption/mindcontrol or body modification could also be safe enough bets
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>One of those possibilities absolves you of agency I suppose.
I have no horse in this race, so I dont see why I would need to absolve myself of agency or make myself feel better.
But if you do see a pattern, or if you do have a million dollar idea that will get you a 6 figure patreon income, that go for it.
[...]
I think it's fetishes that play a major factor, cuckshit makes money even if the art or models are shit. It's a bit random though.
Fetishes can cut both ways, at the one hand it can get you a dedicated fanbase who cannot get their fetish from other games, at the other hand people that dont have that fetish wont donate. People that dont like cuckshit are pretty vehemently against it. Same with furries. But if you go for the furrydollar you will have furgays bankrolling you, same with cuckshit. You do have to know what makes the fetish work though.
Another strategy is haremshit where every girl is aimed at a different fetish, that way you can get a bunch of different people paying you.
What kind of game is it and how much effort do you put into outreach/marketing
That shit is distasteful sure but if people have never heard of you they can't subscribe right? Word of mouth only goes so far unless your game is better than sliced bread.
VN, although I have more experience making renders than most so I've gotten praise for that. >and how much effort do you put into outreach/marketing
I've tried a bit, and honestly even with really cheap ads the conversion rate is so fricking low that even a $0.02 CPC ends up not being all that productive.
The most success I've had has been having a good F95 thread with good reviews, cross promotions with bigger, more well known creators and itch.io, in that order.
R*ddit, Allah smite it, can work if you have 2D or Daz assets.
That sounds about right, never heard anything good about running ads online. Meanwhile word of mouth in communities that tend to be interested in that sort of shit is a no brainer.
But VN is such a crowded field, honestly have no clue how Summertime Saga managed to rise so high above the rest but people should be market researching the hell out of that.
I think maybe they got in early with the taboo shit though of course Patreon isn't making that very easy nowadays.
>But VN is such a crowded field, honestly have no clue how Summertime Saga managed to rise so high above the rest but people should be market researching the hell out of that.
Because it got in really early when wegs were starting to popularize and it has that early 2000s Newgrounds flash game grind. Simple as, really.
There are Honey Select and Daz games from that era that also make absurd amounts of money, it's not from quality. It's because porn consumers tend to imprint on their first product like ducklings.
>Sure, even WIP stuff would be cool
I was joking about how greedy most weg devs are, I'm not posting my patreon until I have something major to show. >R*ddit, Allah smite it, can work if you have 2D or Daz assets.
Are you saying it wouldn't work for original 3D models? That's what I'm doing.
>Are you saying it wouldn't work for original 3D models? That's what I'm doing.
That can work but it's gotta look great otherwise you're going to have people b***hing about why you aren't using Daz instead. Remember, you're marketing to morons with their penises out.
>Sure, even WIP stuff would be cool
I was joking about how greedy most weg devs are, I'm not posting my patreon until I have something major to show. >R*ddit, Allah smite it, can work if you have 2D or Daz assets.
Are you saying it wouldn't work for original 3D models? That's what I'm doing.
I'm moronic and think that my game has to actually be "fun" but can't think of any ideas. Otherwise I don't see the point in making it a "game" rather than regular porn.
Look, I have /d/ fetishes, and I often sift through various quality of art of my fetishes. Even the worst artists I see do get comissions. It doesn’t take a lot to nsfw stuff, especially fetishes. And I often see a lack of games for my fetishes that aren’t literally just cyoa stories. And there are people out there that will pay a lot. I mean, I associate Aigis from Persona with TF art since there are so many of them that they can outnumber the regular Aigis rule 34 art, and the Wonder Bread fetish meme exists for a reason, and sometimes the actually good games in there can lead to an impact. For example, CHANGED is a furry transformation fetish game that is apparently also a good puzzle game, to the point that one of the characters is well known by furries overall it seems.
>And I often see a lack of games for my fetishes that aren’t literally just cyoa stories.
I feel you, I've got a idea for TF game but TF in 3D looks like dogshit and would take too many 2D assets to make. I'm not sure /d/ games are as profitable as you think though.
>real cash cow >good luck trying to monetize it
doesnt sound like much of a cashcow then. well I guess its a cashcow if youre a millionaire that secures e-girl pussy for politicians
These artificial silicon valley regulations will eventually come down just as hard on other fetishes, then the only cash cow will be something terrible like gay anal prolapse or something
I am already making online casino games and providing them to platforms for a cut of the profits.
It's similar to making coomer games. No matter the time period, there will always be demand for sex and gambling.
What is the minimum amount of hardware I need to make my own digital art?
How much Photoshop (in terms of time spent learning) do I need to know to make something half-decent?
okay pc with lots of memory
wacom tablet, even a cheap one will do (around $100)
pirated copy of photoshop (you will only use 10% of its functionality)
There's more online tutorials out there than you can count
Its really cheap honestly
Honestly, figuring out the game mechanics. If I was going to make a coomer game it must be an actual game with good mechanics and a rewarding play loop. I need to thread the needle between yet another visual novel with meaningless minigames and an autisticly deep labyrinth of systems you need to navigate just to see some breasts.
Also I need to nail down the genre. I want it to be comfy as frick and with a relatively low stake tone. Something like Aurelia before they added the dungeon diving and combat garbage. I want players to farm and fish and explore and collect cool stuff and then bang sexy chicks in a chillin land.
See, I tend to lean the complete opposite direction. Despite likely being better suited to designing a game, what I think works best for porno is interactive fiction, branching storylines with lots of conditional text. A good Twine game, basically. Maybe I could make the Alpha Protocol of porno games.
Probably. I should clarify the game systems I am thinking about are in parallel to your typical visual novel set ups. Good characters you can progress with plus well designed game systems to give players a way to advance to unlock more babes and content.
Gamey unlock systems are a contrivance contrary to character storytelling. Not to say there can't be gameplay, but I feel it must be either divorced from narrative or fully integrated into narrative (instead of a failure scene, failure selects a story branch - think Until Dawn/Dark Pictures, but ideally not QTEs).
Agreed, thus why it is holding me back. Need to think of that sweet spot/ innovative leap to make the game be great. Just do not have the time between my /tg/ projects and irl shenanigans to give an actual frick
Nothing I guess. I'm good enough at writing. I'll put it on the list of stuff ai'm gonna try. I could easily write for some shitty text game or visual novel while at work, which would mean it isn't wasted time.
How do I not get fricked in the ass with copyright claims?
I don't want to draw every single thing.
Public domain images? Tracing public domain images?
If I do draw everything by myself, how do I protect it from being used by someone else?
Hate this IP israelitery.
>If I do draw everything by myself, how do I protect it from being used by someone else?
Out of the great porn artists out there, some other weg scammer isn't going to steal you shitty artwork.
23k per month, but: >presumably paying someone for the art >having to do payroll taxes yourself >being beholden to """patrons"""
And most importantly >making porno games for permavirgins
If you're driven enough to learn to develop a game, at that point just work for a place like Amazon; you'd be making at least as much money after tax, and it would be more sustainable long term.
To each their own. I like other people too much to want to be a gun for hire, but if a personal project takes off, then is definitely better than you could be making in just about any corporate gig.
if you can get a team together its a pretty ez side hustle. you just need to convince the artist that story writing + code is somehow worth 50% cut
As a side hustle, it would be great (same as any contracting at that point) but for full-time dev work, I wouldn't take the lack of stability (at that rate).
The one caveat is that that's only in regards to porn games, since their mass-market appeal is going to be limited; if you were making that much on patreon doing "normal" game development, then full steam ahead, best of luck.
Okay Jeff
I don't even work for Amazon, but I'll fight anyone that says AWS isn't a good product. :^)
Because I'm an idiot, I set up a itch.io page for my h-rpg project, but I haven't set any payment method if people want to donate to support the project at all. So I leave it as free, despite spending money to buy RPGmaker MV, buying RPGmaker DLCs Ancient Dunegon packs and a couple of music packs.
Can't you just use an AI? as if people would notice, they already have low standards for smut writing you just have to double check and make proper adjustments
weg's writing are shit, but I think people will notice if it's AI tier, unless you pass it off as MTL and that you are a ESL.
Can someone give me a list of the best-selling porn games? I am working a game set at a mage school a la Harry Potter, but while I have a general idea of progress like classes, parties, etc, I need inspiration for how to approach the actual porn/romance part
>Can someone give me a list of the best-selling porn games?
here is best preforming ones on patreon, I don't have one for steam.
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/adult-games
Can someone give me a list of the best-selling porn games? I am working a game set at a mage school a la Harry Potter, but while I have a general idea of progress like classes, parties, etc, I need inspiration for how to approach the actual porn/romance part
kill me.. for not abusing complete low tier taste average porn consoomers and their obsession with ugly women, and instead drawing my porn for free
seriously
It's never too late to channel your disappointment in the lack of standards that most of humanity has by making consoomers fund your life.
They're willing so why not take their money?
at some point I felt like, surely they are already too busy funding 10 other frickin’ ugly WEGs to throw a dollar anywhere else
plus I still have standards…
>game has some elaborate status update >slows down more and more as the patreon starts fattening
jesus christ. Guess you gotta keep them hungry if you want them to push out content at a decent pace I just dont bother until its fnished. Saves me the pain of waiting for updates, or finding out a game is abandoned
There are a few done, like shelter (rushed) and milky touch (rushed). but seriously, there are a couple finished projects. Like treasure of nadia, zombie retreat, town of passion, my darling in the 90s. Problem is that a lot of these authors dont actually make that much money, and authors that decide to just publish a finished game and ask a set price for it often find they make barely any money. People complain about games never finishing, but when it comes to paying they support patroen scams, punish decent people on patreon, and dont buy finished games
I am a screenwriter. Hit me up to write some good stories and dialogue for your sex games. We will make kinos.
Devs know the tech but not scripts like videomakers know script but not making games.
Better. The snake metaphor makes you visualise his technique. However O wouldn't say it again in the second paragraph.
"That's why he was wounded." The end. We get it, snakes, fast, bites don't put it again.
It's ok. We can make it shorter with the same meaning however it is dialogue. Maybe it fits the character as is.
Improve some things, instead of 'by learning', "by experience" or "by living", something more impactful.
>Devs know the tech but not scripts like videomakers know script but not making games.
You can't even post right, I'm not trusting you to write for me.
I really hate that everything needs to have 50 different levels of premium now.
It’s like the serf cattle have gotten so upset about not being invited to galas and soirées that they engage in this moronic nonsense to feel special.
Like people that bought horse armor, CoD and Halo maps, WoW subs, made Nosebook and Twatter accounts and even purchased pet rocks… frick these Patreon eternal EA scum and their constant reminder that the free market doesn’t fricking work with slack jawed, soiboy morons who can’t control themselves or their (lack of) dignity.
I believe that's partly because there a so many single men now with disposable income that would have been previously spent on family. Now they have no idea what to even spend that money on so it goes to different subscriptions, onlyfans, patreon etc. I think this should be studied more.
>I think this should be studied more.
There is the concept of the the accursed share. The basic idea is that the sun deposits more energy on earth than strictly needed to sustain life, this extra energy is the accursed share, and gets wasted on stuff. Luxury items, war, etc.
Would it have affected the WEG market a lot if Subverse turned out to be a great game and even mainstream success? Feels like the way it flopped kinda dragged the whole scene down a little.
people jack it to gobbos, im sure that the style could be appreciated since it would stand out (although im not sure if watercolor would be clear enough to see details). The concern i would have is how to digitize it and if you can produce porn fast enough to keep up a decent upload schedule
Alright. You play an average high school teenager, and, get this, he has a huge dick and a bunch of girls lusting for his dick. But hes real dense and the girls clam up every time they're about to shout at him that they love him and he should stop being so dense.
Main girl is a blonde twin tail tsundere with ZR
I'm gonna make it...
Okay here's my pitch. It's a battlefrick game based on Inuyasha.
You play as an OC Donut Steel who can time travel through the well like Kagome. You travel around collecting shards of the sacred israeliteel (which you can equip for various effects) and in the meantime you can seduce and fug any of the girls. Your performance in battlefrick determines how they react to you and affects the story.
I just need to drag this out into a decade-long patreon project without getting sued.
Have any advice on making models look better and accurate to the original style like
I'm gonna make it...
Okay here's my pitch. It's a battlefrick game based on Inuyasha.
You play as an OC Donut Steel who can time travel through the well like Kagome. You travel around collecting shards of the sacred israeliteel (which you can equip for various effects) and in the meantime you can seduce and fug any of the girls. Your performance in battlefrick determines how they react to you and affects the story.
I just need to drag this out into a decade-long patreon project without getting sued.
I ported her hair from a mobile game rip and cleaned up the model a little bit in blender. I'm a complete blender amateur who can barely finish the donut tutorial so it was very basic stuff. Similarly I modded the sailor top to have poofy sleeves in blender. Her midriff was exposed using basic overlay texture editing.
Her eye texture was also ripped from a mobile game but that was just using photoshop - I'd like to go back and redraw it since it doesn't look that great under close scrutiny. Eyelashes are a very small edit of an existing eyelash texture.
Everything else is vanilla sliders/mod sliders
For models I highly recommend the XNALara and MMD communities on deviantart. There are plugins to convert models that have been prepared for both of these things to a format that blender can read.
Picrel was a similar process. Very basic model rips/imports from the let's go pikachu model.
>Reading this thread >Used to write Naruto Erotica back in 2015 because I was sick of Sakura not getting anything decent written >Got a lot of views and people were excited in reviews >Gave it up to continue my League of Legends addiction
Maybe I'll take a break from making shitpost rpgmaker games and try Erotica again, you really can just download these models from wherever and not need to properly animate them?
The only gobbo games I've played are Milfy City and Dating my Daughter so I've not seen many of them. I'm confident I can write something interesting and renpy is easy to use.
How do you get started on advertising your game however? I only remember that one h-game rpgmaker dev that posted on /vrpg/ rpgmaker threads. His game began with A.
Adding onto this. I'll need to look up how American highschools work as I have no idea really. In Scotland we only have Primary - Secondary school then it's College/Unitversity.
Most weg users are in the Americas right? How many wegs are set in Europe over America anyway? It can't be many.
>preschool >kindergarten >elementary school (grade 1-5, sometimes 1-6) >middle school (grade 6-8, sometimes through grade 9) >high school (grade 9/10-12) >college
Nowadays it's completely impossible to be held back a year so nearly everyone graduates at 17/18 depending on their birth month and how things worked out
You can also set the world in fantasyland that is an undefined mix of european culture. It can save you a lot of trouble with the finer details of american school life and also introduce stuff that will work well for the porn but wouldnt be realistic in america.
porn writing 101 anon. Allows you to make everyone 18+, allows you to have older and younger characters as you please, allows you to give the character days off or extra days when you want, allows you to give character a schedule that wouldnt be realistic (more flexible and less hours than realistic), allows you to introduce school clubs or a morals committee without it being weird.
>you really can just download these models from wherever and not need to properly animate them?
They have lots of pose packs but if you might need to make your own animations for sex.
1. Hate/can't focus on coding
2. Would want to make an open 3d world game instead of a renpy (feeds into one)
3. The renpy idea I do have would get C&D'd by Nintendo.
That all being said, maybe I will just sit down and make a weg one day. I've gotten interested in erotic writing, so I could possibly make a story for one at least.
Laziness and lack of creativity
let me pay you 1000 right now
Do it
https://www.venmo.com/u/saturatedd
You sound perfect
Get that v0.0.1 out and make bank.
Not an excuse homosexual
like all the 3D porn gays? you LITERALLY can just use shitty assets and make bank.
you can
you can also buy a lottery ticket and win a gorillion dollars.
you don't think the 3d WEG market is flooded with homosexuals who think they can make summertime saga money? Guess what, it is. Even the ones that have effort put into them don't make much at all, some have been doing the grind for years and barely make $1k a month. Most just abandon the game cause no money was given.
It's not 2016 anymore, you're not gonna make any bank doing WEGs now.
Well except furry WEGS for some reason
Looking at most WEGs that hardly seems to be the roadblock you think it is. Just make some cheap renpy about POPULAR WAIFU and watch the money roll in.
>POPULAR WAIFU
that's illegal, you can't just take someone's property, you're leaving your butthole wide open to be raped by lawyers
Some russian guy can just steal popular waifu and get away with it.
lazine-
okay, all THAT, and the inability to just fricking up and scam people due to having too much of the empathy gene.
this, even if I was to no life making a game for a hobby, I would almost assuredly release it for free when it made significant progress and was capable of being modded.
Hired.
Where's your patreon
I'm not a israelite, I don't scam people
worse
a poorgay
There is nothing wrong with offering a service and getting paid for it.
100th IP best post
could this be the first time these words are uttered on Ganker?
would you pay money for the service?
i have the ability to write, and i can figure out how to program. but thats only half of the draw. if i can't draw the art myself i'm outsourcing too large a portion of the project to someone else for me to monetize it
i cant draw
i can't model
i can't voice act
i code monkey for nothing please kys myself
learn
But anon, I failed to have fun with a pencil
That's the thing: It never becomes fun. It's a Trade.
it takes years of practicing several hours every day to get decent at drawing
you didnt even try
not him but I've been doing it for like 2 years and there's only so long I can pseudo neet once i've finished my degree. My art's kinda shithouse too. Can't draw backgrounds, can't draw hands, can't make my stuff have depth, can't remember anatomy.
I don't even wanna make money I just wanna be able to make nice looking stuff in styles I like tbqfh
if it were that easy everyone would do it. it also takes talent.
otherwise, you'd be doing it right now.
i can draw
i can model
i can voice act
i can't code well, but that doesn't matter for porn games
Yeah I think I'm gonna make it.
Too lazy and not talented enough
I don't draw anime style.
not an excuse
>not an excuse
Not him. But as much as people shit on summertime saga's art. The wikihow artstyle has impact and the game would have never gotten any traction if the art wasn't so reminiscent of it.
It's not something just any amateur could have capitalized on.
>It's not something just any amateur could have capitalized on
what does it matter if he's a master of arts or started to draw yesterday? he didn't get memend cause his already known status and fame
You could learn to draw like that in a few months, I could draw like that as a child when I was in art school and I have fricking cerebral palsey.
Give us your best wikihow parody art then.
I said as a child, my palsey has progressed far enough now that I can't even draw a circle.
im handicapted and its getting worse, but this shit just seems even more horrifying. I would tie a noose and keep it around just incase i want to end it but would be unable to tie it anymore
True but the art still looks like shit and is completely unattractive
Also the only way it resembles wikihow is looking like it was drawn by an amateur
>Also the only way it resembles wikihow is looking like it was drawn by an amateur
Are you sure?
thanks doc
Careful what you post, bucko.
My excuse is knowing that patreon takes a cut and those numbers are before taxes.
Holy shit, he's only making 150k a year
I fricking hate coding
I can't make a game, let alone a sexy one.
I'm creatively bankrupt. I couldn't even build anything other than a square house in Minecraft if I wanted to.
not an excuse
>Hi honey!
>Hi sweety good morning. You know what that means!
>Milk time?
>Milk time! Time for your milky willy and then we'll get your yummy cummy wummy
There you go, now just make the big titty wife and generic brown hair man in minecraft and we'll be rich in no time. I'm taking 60%
hate weeb stuff, and i dont like the Daz still render stuff, and thats apparently the only thing that sells
Because I'm one of those weirdos who can't make money doing the things they love. Though I still want to make an H-game before I bite the bullet.
I can't draw and artists are fricking awful to work with
T. has had the "pleasure" of working with artists
I am so above everyone that I purposely avoid making money. If you make money you are endorsing the system.
I don't have any artistic talent, and actually coding something (a thing I CAN do) would take more time than most of these people put in with ren'py or other such drag n drop creators.
I simply don't have the tools necessary for it.
Also I hate that sort of laziness that patreon promotes. I make money by NOT finishing my game. I have to constantly stretch everything out, just seems shitty, or it stops one day. It just blows my mind.
>I don't have any artistic talent
most artists dont, they just practiced until they learned
I tried, spent about 4 years practicing every day, and it just doesn't get any better. Turns out a former brain injury left my finer motor skills related to drawing pretty much gone. I can't even draw stick figures, I have the brain of a punch drunk 50 year old former boxer.
Don't have the knowledge or ability to create one. I'm also not a israelite so I don't think I could be part of that grift.
>So many people here claiming to have "morals" when they're NEETs stealing from their country's welfare system
Frick you guy, I have a factory job where I work 60 hour weeks and make $25 an hour and I hate it cause I get no time to myself but I would be stupid to give it up.
>60 hour weeks
OOF
>$25/hour
that's kinda nice though what type of work? comfy stuff or the high speed repetitive soul sucking conveyor belt manual labor shit that makes you want to shoot your brains out after 10 minutes? still though those rates are really good
I wager that most people on Ganker have jobs and pay taxes. Not sure why you homosexuals think this place is all jobless losers.
Most of this place is literally underage homosexuals that don't work. Then the rest are NEETs and minimum wage workers. Like 1% even make over 70k a year
Weird you must be a Redditor or something with some preconceived notion of this site. Sure there are some people here who are unemployed but most of us aren't.
I've been here since 2011 you obvious homosexual. Ive probably posted more than you've read on this site since you've been here in your short tenure. This board is a shithole. Not all boards are like this and you'll find certain high earners flock to certain kinds of generals on other boards. But you can assume you're talking to someone that makes shit for money or no money and you'd be right make than 9 out of 10 times on here.
I'm not sure why it matters how much they earn as long as they're employed full time and paying taxes. Also 2011 is newbie cancer.
>2011 isn't newbie
If you were not here pre 2006 you're a newbie.
>Like 1% even make over 70k a year
That's my country in general.
making over 70k is not the norm in any country
true as frick
> Tfw you're the 1%
I'm suddenly overcome with an urge to rub my hands together and offer extortionate loans
you can complain when they stop spending tax money on Black folk
I'm crippled and the system will collapse regardless of if it's me, a crack prostitute, some Hispanic or dead ass fraudster
>stealing from israelites
Nothing wrong with that.
If it didn't go to anons it'd go to single mothers, Black folk, and immigrants.
I'm a wagie but I don't begrudge the NEET his bennies; to take bread out of the invaders' mouths I'd feed Satan himself.
Its amazing how humans have existed for 2000 years and they still pay for sex related things. Monkey brains never change i guess
>2000 years
You know that humans haven't existed for just 2k years, right?
Yes 2022 years to be precise
So by your logic Japan has only existed for 3 years so far?
yeah they are like Tau, instant technological progression but their bodies are weak and will break if you lightly touch them
Ah yes, the first man, Adam Christ.
Jesus loves us.
If I wanted to make a game I'd make it larger appeal than the horny male demographic.
>save 16%
how about save 100%?
i wish her model wasnt so shitty
otherwise its pretty decent
busted a fair amount of nuts to this semen demon
but her model's actually pretty good.
certainly leagues ahead of what is expected of /weg/shit
eh i wouldnt call it good, her hands are all fricked up
her pussy looks weird, especially with hair
her nipples are a 2nd smaller boob clipping through her breasts which makes it look super weird when she bounces up and down
only thing thats actually good is her abs if you oil her up
Her model is shit and it's in the asset store. He didn't even fricking make it.
there's no market for e-girl because MUH PEDOS
Even if I was able to draw or model well enough to make a porn game I can't feel any level of passion for those types of games.
I've considered working on other games, solodev style. But never a porn game, it's not a moral thing or anything, I get how much money can be scammed from coomers with it and everything but if I make a game I would want it to be something else.
I'm lazy and have no motivation to spend years learning a new skills.
Because I'm not that good as doing that shit and the market for being a indie dev/paying people is cornered. The people who are taking in those dollars are immense drama homosexuals. The yandere dev guy was talking about killing himself and got super asshurt when another yandere game started to be made because it was progressing faster than his.
I have a soul. I'm not a beta luciferian loser.
I've been on a patreon scam deep dive binge lately and holy shit, it doesn't take much guys. There are a shitload of people out there dying to give you their money but because there's weirdly so few actually talented creators they just get raped by blatant scammers who break 90% of their promises and are yet still in Patreon's top 30.
You guys don't get it, this is your prime chance to actually make money doing something you love. This sort of opportunity literally didn't exist in the entirety of human history but its here right now and you homies have ceded the field to conmen who don't even try to be convincing.
i have a patreon for my writing. i have 1 supporter and all he does is request his fetish
I didn't mean you can go on Patreon and do literally anything and get 10,000 subscribers. You still have to work hard and advertise. It's just that people are succeeding by only doing the latter because there's such a dearth of the former.
And that patron? Andrew Dobson.
i know its not him, but his fetish is inflation. what is the fricking chance
lmao
I'm starting now but I think it might be too late, and the time of wegs making bank is dying out.
>and the time of wegs making bank is dying out.
Oh no you actually to put in some effort in to make money. How terrible!
effort isn't tied to success, especially when it comes to patreon porn scams moron.
You miss the point. The supporters are aware of scammers and won't support Ren'Py / Daz garbage since both of these are huge redflags. Hope you can draw, model and/or use a game engine.
>The supporters are aware of scammers and won't support Ren'Py / Daz garbage
LMAO, that's what all the top earners are though.
No shit. There are some morons left but nowhere near as many as 2-3 years ago.
It really is worrying, seems for each moron who learns their lesson the hard way, 5 new idiots are born
Be an ESL somewhere else.
Oh wow we have a fricking self-proclaimed grammar teacher here
I'm ETL b***h. Your homosexual language can suck my balls
Be an UOL somewhere else.
Honestly I can draw better than all these hideous freaks
and I hate the family guy style presentation. I just can't code for shit or I would do it
Almost nobody can do everything on their own and certain genius devs accidentally gave people the impression that its the norm rather than the outlier.
You have to get a team together, its how humanity has always worked. Yes that's a huge hurdle and is the part that filters me, however the spoils are worth it for anyone with an ounce of people skills or persistence.
I feel like theres truth to both of these. If I ever come across a code chad willing to team up I'm ready tbh but yeah chances of finding someone you get along to work with and having ideas that are on the same path are stupidly low
What's your idea?
coding VNs is piss easy, I coded one in a day and never coded before.
>I just can't code for shit
you dont need to
renpy is very easy to use
you can learn how to make a vn in less than an hour
This
>Kingdom of Deception
Make one update in basically 6 months, and openly admit it's fully ready but you are gonna stretch it out in 3 parts so devs could relax on a beach and after last release get back on the work.
I make like $2k a month on my game that updates every month, still cant get a lot more traction than that sadly.
What kind of game is it and how much effort do you put into outreach/marketing
That shit is distasteful sure but if people have never heard of you they can't subscribe right? Word of mouth only goes so far unless your game is better than sliced bread.
This kind of shit proves to me that the average person is massively underpaid in their wagecuck jobs
Not really, very few wagecucks are able to build entire videogames themselves
If people are able to pay for stupid shit doesn't that mean that everyone is overpaid and just become poor from bad spending habits? That's how it is here. People earn well enough but they spend it on stupid shit and then cry how nothing is enough and something about taxes.
Can attest, I know a woman that NEEDS at least $60 a day for personal shit like food. She was complaining how she doesn't have much for herself so she has to do side gigs.
Houses are expensive. I can leave the state and work from home but it's not like I know anyone anywhere cheaper.
I literally make 40k stocking shit and get insurance and subsidize myself with stealing food cause it's easy
Gamedev is casino, you can easily spend years and earn nothing. Programmers get paid way better in non-gamedev job. $250k a year for a single gamedev is super rare and incredible. Same $250k for a good experience senior programmer in corporation is normal.
Its not normal. Thats gayMAN level of pay which makes up less than 1% of programmers. Most seniors devs make 120-160k
Why pay for Virtual Succubus when it's free on F95????
Can say that for any porn game really, or any patreon shit for that matter
The frick is F95?
I usually just get patreon stuff from kemono party but it often takes a while for people to upload new stuff
It's like RPGCodex for coomer pirates
I like to go there to tour the autism, they're also great for documenting scam drama
Face it, you've convinced yourself making money like this is something only "other people" can do because rotting away in mediocrity and never pursuing your ambitions is comforting
But literally the only difference between you and them is that they decided to go for it
yes, plus I hate people.
I don't wanna interact with them or use a shitcord
And why aren't you doing it, homosexual?
Joke's on you, I don't have any ambitions
What ambitions? I don't have any dreams. I wouldn't know what to do with success or fulfillment. I want nothing, nothing important.
That's a comforting lie you tell yourself to not face the reality that mediocrity is something you're born into. In the middle ages it was obvious to people that some were noblemen and some were peasants - and that nobility ran in the blood. The ancient Greeks understood this too.
It is only liberal modernity that has the peasants believe they could become princes if they tried hard enough.
If you were a prince, you would not be posting on Ganker but you'd be doing something. But you're not, you're a peasant who is unable to come to terms with who he is.
Laziness and complacency. I make 115k doing tech stuff in vidya. I don't need to promote myself or do any social media. I just have to make sure things systems work well.
I'm only good at writing.
>patreon making $14k/month
>pirate game
>it's just sims 4 images and videos with VN text over top
>they still take a full month to release 2 shitty scenes
there's literally no reason you can't do this besides your idiotic religious guilt
the time it would take me to be able to draw an equivalent amount would be better spent on honing what i'm already better at, doing classes at uni, working out, etc.
plus, the fetish content that would keep me interested is banned on patreon
>plus, the fetish content that would keep me interested is banned on patreon
i didnt even knew they cared about it, which one?
Not him but Patreon has issues with e-girl, bestiality, incest and more. Probably anything that isn't either vanilla or homo. And they're not very precise either, they'll whack you just for getting too close to any no-no subjects.
subscribestar is your friend
Literally all of them except the most vanilla garbage.
Lol any art of women with big eyes is considered to be child porn by these pathetic snoyboys at Patreon. You WILL get banned if you draw anime shit
>draw an equivalent
that's the best part, you don't draw, you screenshot scenes in sims or skyrim or other similar games that allow for posing and go on with your life
>plus, the fetish content that would keep me interested is banned on patreon
beast or e-girl/shota?
yes
Yeah this shit is literally 90% scams
My personal creative output at my peak is higher than these frickheads and I wasn't even showing anybody else
I know there are tons of Anons here that could make sound projects and want to but just have one hang up or another
At the very least "the competition is fierce" shouldn't be a hang up because the competition is fricking incompetent at anything other than stringing along desperate morons
this is a pretty legit hangup though
Why isn't there a website dedicated to helping people form teams? Yeah there's various creative platforms out there but nothing specifically designed around matchmaking.
zero money in it
think of it, the best case scenario people successfully matchmake and then frick off
Here's my million dollar Ganker idea, Tinder, but for gamdev.
...Does Tinder even make money? Off ads or something I guess?
a lot of these wildly successful startups struggle to make a profit because user engagement doesn't directly translate to money for the investors
Ironically Patreon is one of these cases
Tinder makes money by milking the lonely 30-40 year old demographic, the 20 year olds hooking up easily are just a loss-leader.
I don't promote the porn industry
Ganker has no creativity and no drive
Ganker is just demoralized, it doesn't have to be a permanent state
20$ is about as much as I'd pay for an amateur porn game. This is a fricking scam. How many ""test builds"" has this game put out the past year?
cope
poorgay
arrest
paypig
The funny thing is this isn't even close to the worst scams on Patreon
pic related, its like in the top 10 SITE WIDE
source
Operation Lovecraft, it's absolute chinkscamkino
>chinkscamkino
If you make that accusation atleast elaborate.
I don't enjoy coding and getting a following like this often involves networking and constantly sucking yourself off on social media and whatnot, I don't have an actual idea for a game like that and I don't honestly get that much out of making that much more money.
It's sort of nice and would be helpful, but largely not worth the effort even if I had an idea, the only thing that'd make me actually do it is wanting my game made or wanting to see the thing in my head translated to reality.
I'd have to improve a decent bit with my art to be happy with it for something like this, too, and I really don't enjoy practicing drawing.
I'm a wageslave... Also I'm sure even developing a "sex game" would become a chore, there's no scape we should all jist take the NEET pill
I've given it a try before, but the scope quickly balloons out of control and I'm not disciplined enough to put in an hour or two a day writing something. I prefer just jerking off to my concepts in my head, less effort.
I have been learning blender for fun, i-if I learn to make coom bait models, can I make some side cash?
How do 1 trillion billion Patreon dollars sound to you my good sir.
how good do they have to be though, I've only modeled basic shit kek
Not him but its shocking how many bad modellers are out there. However you'll just melt together with the rest of the mediocrity unless you're particularly talented or hardworking. Doing things on the side for fun will never be able to compete with someone who is actually driven and serious.
thats true. I just have been looking for a side job and not sure what else to do that isn't driving around for food delivery
I cannot create.
I've:
- Drawn for 10+ years
- Coded for 10+ years
- Written for 10+ years
- Made a couple really simple games, like flash game tier
And I have some ideas for games or RPGM/VNs.
Only thing is I'm not sure if it'd be fun to make a game. I feel like I'd just end up as a slave to my work, so it'd be the same thing as a job in the first place
Should I bait some Patreon money with a niche game like some NTR or femdom shit? Or even furryshit
It's never really "fun" to embark on a huge project or do the grindy tedious work, the fun is the payoff and having a permanent feather in your cap
Even completing a shitty game puts you head and shoulders around consoomer NPC swine, forever
futa with a focus on cuddling is the only way to go
There's tons of money to be made in the furry market but there's not a lot of straight furry games.
furries just get their OCs drawn fricking their friends' OCs and so on, they really don't care about games
sorry I was meming a bit, I'll never sell my soul out to furries. my bad
consider it considered
How do people even make money? Is it like any other creative endeavor where it's entirely a dice roll, and hoping for the algorithm to like what you're doing? Do they just start a kickstarter out of the blue?
I guess I should have said "kink game" like NTR.
>sorry I was meming a bit, I'll never sell my soul out to furries. my bad
>Won't do furry, but is ok with NTR
fricking cuck.
I will make the HMOFA kino game we deserve
>niche game like some NTR
Fanza lumped cheating, swapping and stealing with NTR tag.
So this chart isn't exactly accurate to that one specific fetish.
>Fanza lumped cheating, swapping and stealing with NTR tag.
It's the same shit. Nobody cares about your autistic "uh uh uhhhh, this isn't netorare, this is netorase!!" distinctions.
A lot of people dont mind fricking a mommy even if shes still married to some offscreen guy. People dont enjoy watching their woman get fricked by another guy. So I think that distinction does matter
It's not about tolerating "wife cheating to offscreen guy", it's about having a fetish for it.
And anyone who has a fetish for cheating wives is a subhuman worm worthy only of disgust. Doesn't matter who is being cheated on.
>Nobody cares about your autistic "uh uh uhhhh, this isn't netorare, this is netorase!!" distinctions.
pleb
Do it, you'll either love it if you're the kind of person who enjoys it or you'll drop it and nothing of value will be lost. It's not always inviting, and you'll have lots of challenging moments, but most of the times it's crazy enjoyable and the feel of completing something in your life on your own really makes it worth it. Or at least I think so, i had tons of fun while making minor assets for sale. Got gitlab running just to keep track of what I'm doing so I'll be able to easily trace back changes or see where i stopped on last time, got some tasks written down, planning took quater of what i did overall, but it was the first time i ever genuinely finished something worthwhile on my own. And it really felt good. Finishing complex projects is an art of its own, and there is lots of enjoyment to be found in act of learning how to do it right.
Hmmm.... this is pretty convincing. Thanks anon. One day I hope to scam people on patreon
One of my best memories was of this hellish crunch where I had to finish a solo art project by myself after my teammates flaked out on me last moment
Unfortunately the project was inherently cringe so I can't show anyone but a part of me knows I'm capable of great things and superior to most human beings
Thanks doc
What programs seemed to be most used for making these things? Is there a popular tool or framework? I feel like unity or unreal would be overkill for what seems to be glorified visual novels? I program for a living, so I'm almost tempted to give it a try.
How about you play some of these games so you can learn what its used? moron.
You sound like someone who is too stupid to pirate.
Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a shot and "learn what its used."
literally who
I'm not an artgay. I'm also not social enough to be able to coerce people into giving me money on twitter, discord and other social media. If I hypothetically had a clear vision of some sex game I want to make I would need someone to manage marketing and someone to manage art.
Also imo it's way easier as an artist that can't code to start a project like this because non of these projects require any real coding anyway. Additionally you actually can show people something. Nobody cares about how garbage or well made the backend of your game is - what matters is what potential buyers can actually see.
Build it and they will coom
I think people put too much emphasis on marketing and running a discord full of homosexuals, you only need to do all that if you're a con artist who is stringing people along
If someone has an actual quality project so long as they aren't literally walled themselves off from the rest of humanity, word of mouth will do the trick
>I'm not an artgay
This is a problem though, art is one of the ways people get a rapid read on your project and helps it stand out. But that's also why so many projects are pure style and no substance and need a constant dripfeed of propaganda to retain subscribers...
One of the highest grossing patreons is Virt-A-Mate which isn't even an artistic project, literally just an engine for running daz assets in realtime. But it impressed people with its sheer technical chops.
Sex is impossible to write well.
w-what would I know about great sex a-anyway
The trick is to read fanfics, they're an absolute treasure trove of smut to crib ideas from to appeal directly to thirsty readers
The trick is to stop being a Black person and show, dont tell. Blender is free and you can make things kiss in it.
Because I'm a westerner and therefore incapable of making good games.
I kneel to humblechads like you.
How long does it take to learn RenPy and DAZ?
1-3 hours for renpy
Interesting
Well I post on Ganker so a bit but I'm not too moronic
Its not about learning the basic shit you need to know to become another pointless VN.
Its about having the stamina to actually do some work and be consistent with content.
Which is something most people on here dont have.
Especially if you wanted to make a game and not just a VN.
I dont do furshit, but I do adult stuff ... I just tell my parents and my friends I code and do some 3D. Works well enough.
it depends how moronic are you?
It's pretty easy from what I remember. Python itself is super simple and you can always open other games code in a text editor to see how they do all the cool fx.
>text editor
PyCharm is free.
why not blender?
I want to learn that too, especially since I learned a bit of 3d modeling in high school like 8 years ago
>learn
what? both of those are moron proof, there's nothing to learn
Renpy is tard proof and not real coding, daz is also tard proof and just posing premade dolls not real 3D modeling like blender.
>2022
>no good 18+ RPG
why?
>get rich from patreon furshit
>family asks how do you have money despite being a neet
how do you respond?
>spending and flaunting your wealth near your family
several rules broken
if you're making millions i dont think they would care that you draw dumb shit
>i draw porn
if they get uppity about it just tell them it makes more than the minimum wage for a fraction of the effort. also supply & demand
My family just think I'm a freelance visual artist
I'd tell them I made a video game, and if they asked to see it I'd show them literally any game and they wouldn't know I didn't make it.
Just tell them crypto you absolute brainlet
Never tell your family and friends what you actually do for a living nor the amount of money you make.
Please resist the urge, it never ends well.
id tell friends but probably not family.
I can't program or draw for shit but I can write smut. And I've taken like $1 commissions on writing them before
Can you write a fanfic about the vidya butts poster
Not enough to go by. What kind of smut do you want?
$1 = 1000 words max
>$1 smut
How many words? I am interested in these services you provide
I'm a competent programmer, not an artist.
you just say all this cuz you want more porn games to play
youre trying to trick me
>you just say all this cuz you want more porn games to play
Yes
son of a b***h!!
I don't give enough of a shit about money to start developing a shit game all by myself, however I would love to draw for someone else's lewd patreon project and get a decent cut out of it.
I wouldn't know where to even promote it. It doesn't matter how good it is if nobody hears of it, and unless you are lucky, you'll get drowned out by a ton of other projects.
probably reddit twitter discord or some other hellhole. Ganker is probably not the best place to promote things.
A complete lack of talent and laziness, mostly.
Give me ideas/ concepts do you want in a porn vn that you haven't seen much or at all
pokegirl dating sim
C&D time bomb
I'm not an ESL, so that should be easy
you're an UOL, take it easy.
writing that isn't rife with errors
proper harems
(not the daily life with a bunch of chicks and then pick one route stuff)
WEG patreon scams do this if they are going on long enough. Eventually you get scenes where you are banging your harem in an orgy
source? I haven't been on Ganker for 5 years
My dignity
I want to make a game but it'll be free so I don't think people will donate to my patreon.
>free
are you moronic
Make the patreon for early builds and polls and it's still easy money
That's the idea, I want to believe that if people care they will support it. And something like in itchio where it's free but if people want they can pay whatever they want. Sounds like shooting yourself in the foot but paywalling my shit feels bad.
There is nothing evil about getting paid for your work.
Just yesterday I was looking into how much would 30 minutes of custom soundtrack cost me from a composer that isnt complete dogshit- I quickly grew to appreciate the subtle intricacies of free stock music.
>There is nothing evil about getting paid for your work.
think about whether you would pay for your own work if it was done by someone else
if you wouldnt then you shouldnt be taking money for it
Not the anon you're replying to but it's as if you read my mind, I feel exactly that way. Sounds absolutely moronic but I think this way.
If I do any creative effort I'll do it for free (for a while at least) to make up for all the piracy I've committed
Not because I feel guilty or anything but because I desire balance in all things
>There is nothing evil about getting paid for your work.
This is true but paywalling your shit without thinking about things means nobody will even know you exist and you won't get paid
Unless your product is of such overwhelming obvious universal quality you'll need to coax people in somehow. And even then you'll at least need to market.
The thing is being actually good isn't a given. Itch.Io for instance, most of that is trash that you'd have to pay people to play but I wonder how many of the devs realize it.
Good stuff rises to the top typically by word of mouth alone these days, "hidden gems" aren't really a thing anymore
If its free and good you'll get donations, just not as many as if you paywalled and spent 90% of your time shilling it and trying to squeeze your subscribers
>I want to invest year+ of my life and not get anything for it.
You do you broski.
yeah, I also started just shitting in my pants because nobody was paying me for shitting in the toilet!
Probably sounded better in your head. Dont worry anon, they cant all be zingers.
I have more respect for Jap RPGM h-game devs than incest harem VN Ren'py shit. /weg/ Black folk have the worst taste in porn content imaginable and it's their fault that 99% of western h-games are lazy uninspired trash.
If an entire field sucks and is filled with low quality trash that just means its ripe to be taken over by higher effort trash
See Genshin Impact demolishing png gachas
Or in the case of Jap h-games, Ricca mogging the RPGM trash
I'll hold my breath for a quality western game mogging all the low effort harem incest shit that /weg/ Black folk paypig for. Why put in effort to make a good game when morons will still give you money for making the same derivative shit over and over again?
The saddest truth of all existence is that sometimes we get exactly what we deserve
I don't have an excuse, I'm reading about Unreal Engine currently. After I finish reading these pdf books then I'll install it and do youtube tutorials. Then I will make my very own version of Earth 2 and sell NFTs! I'll be the scummiest dude ever. I'd like to make a million dollars and then disappear.
I just installed Blender and am going to attempt the donut tutorial on youtube later today. My dream is to design low-poly, simple assets akin to SMRPG's character designs, but probably not as well-designed.
>$23k a month
pathetic
damn.
>boo hoo my patreon would be free
virtue signaling gays
why would you make a patreon then
can you even have a free patreon
stfu incel neet
shekel signalling israelite
I played this daily for a few months but at some point it became a bit samey since I only have a few toys and am not gonna go out and buy "smart" shock collars and more sex toys to link to the app and shit so I stopped
I named my Succubus Towa and went the whole way only cumming to her and never on my own and stuff, was really hot while it lasted but frick if I'm paying 20$ a month for porn
Towa...
It honestly fit really well because the Succubus sometimes acts completely moronic and very stupid too, there's a tail that look like Twapy's too
I'm ok with not being able to pick costumes freely since it adds to how alive and independent she feels but I really wish they'd let you customize the hairstyle at least, would make it even better
I have looked into it but don't like to play unfinished games and thus don't like to release unfinished games.
One obvious alternative would be steam. But the majority of adult games don't do that well on steam especially with an unknown name.
The other choice is to work a few years on it and release it on patreon. But then what? Can't just work on the next game as no one will keep paying if you don't release updates.
>But the majority of adult games don't do that well on steam especially with an unknown name.
the majority of adult games are actual dogshit
That and some people actually have friends and would be embarrassed to be seen playing Holy Hentai Pussy Arena: Extreme Edition
>the majority of adult games are actual dogshit
This also means a good game is less likely to get noticed.
Prove it. Name an actually good game that got totally lost in the shuffle.
Considering I hardly spend time cataloguing them, me knowing of a good one would already mean it's popular. My point was that statistically if there's more titles vying for users' attention, the amount of attention a single given title gets diminishes, regardless of quality. This is no different from other media.
My point is you're pushing a tired false narrative
Hidden gems don't exist anymore because there's so much word of mouth these days that anything remotely decent gets catapulted into recognition. Hell, there's such a shortage of gems people are dedicated to rooting out hidden gems from decades ago.
Its a narrative pushed by butthurt faildevs who need a scapegoat for why their cookie cutter piece of crap didn't get any attention, or lazy pieces of shit who want a reason to not even try to compete with the flood of shovelware
>My point is you're pushing a tired false narrative
There's no narrative. The claim you're making is literally unfalsifiable, since the moment I bring up a game you can either say it:
a. is unpopular because it's shit (whatever threshold of popularity you have)
b. is obviously popular because it's good.
As such, you don't have an argument.
>there's so much word of mouth these days that anything remotely decent gets catapulted into recognition.
If word of mouth and quality were enough, marketing as an industry wouldn't exist. If products that were good were the most popular, beats by Dr Dre wouldn't be anywhere near the top spot in audio sales.
We both know that you don't have even a single example of a game that doesn't get the attention it deserves but you'll go on acting like there's a gorillion forgotten unknown masterpieces out there
At most you have some weird niche shit that draws an appropriate weird niche shit profit but for some reason you think it deserves to be a mass appeal breakout hit competing with AAA
I don't give you examples because I don't even give a shit about porn games, I don't understand why you keep on insisting I have to have expertise about the subject. I can give you plenty of examples from areas I care about, but we're discussing video games.
Once more, since you're being very slow to get this, the more competition there is, regardless of quality, the less likely you are to be noticed.
Also, since we're doing the "we both" bit now, we both know that the most popular games are hardly the best, so I don't know why you insist so much on this popularity = quality just world nonsense.
Look, this is clearly a lost cause but I hope you continue thinking about how incapable you are of actually proving your point and instead funnel all your effort into convoluted explanations as to why your fake narrative is akshually real
Assuming you're not braindead, you'll figure it out eventually and apply the lessons learned to all the other myths and fables you hold close to your heart and then the world will finally make sense to you
You're right, this is a lost cause because you're religiously convinced all the world is fair and people who are good magically rise to the top, even though shit gacha games have been dominating charts for years.
Assuming you ever actually have to interact with the real world, it will be a rude awakening, but it will make you a better person. Perhaps you'll even stop believing in the just world fallacy, maybe even learn a bit about statistics and what power law distributions are. I'm not counting on it, but would be nice.
Au revoir, last reply from me, so save your bon mots for another thread.
Even decent ones don't do that well. There is only a handful adult games on steam who have good numbers like House Party, Being a Dick and a few others.
>don't do that well
compared to what? Is VN garbage made out of premade assets supposed to rake in big bucks? Patreon is the preferred platform for this sort of trash for a reason, people expect actual games on Steam for the most part
>compared to what?
Compared to doing a normal job as developer. Even a entry position will earn you around 60k per year. If you work 2-3 years on a game it's 120-180k you would have to earn. That's without any commissioned work. If you need to outsource art, sound or similar it pretty fast can turn into basically working for free unless it's a top hit.
>Compared to doing a normal job as developer.
Yeah but then you're doing a normal job as a developer, not making games while working for yourself. Maybe thats the life you want but clearly not everyone does.
One has to also pay bills even if you work for yourself. If you investing 2-3 years without income into a steam game but can already expect it to not do well the chances are high you will just be forced back into a normal job at one point.
If you have no talent or self marketing ability or really anything to bring to the table, yes you obviously should go be a cubicle drone for the financial safety that brings but why are you here in this particular thread though
If one has skill the likely better option is to just make a normal game for steam. Skilled devs go mostly for normal games as those have a higher income potential. It's probably why there aren't many good adult games.
Probably, if someone wants to make an erotic game there's other platforms for that and funding development via patreon and then dumping the game on Steam whenever its finished is something people do
Sure patreon is the working option. But one has to be willing to milk their supporters for it to work well.
Do people not understand how patronage works and has always worked and why the system has existed throughout history
And nobody has to "milk" their supporters in fact I wish people wouldn't. Just deliver the fricking promised works within a reasonable timeframe. It's that simple and just like showing up to a job on time its low hanging fruit that automatically gives you an advantage over the rabble.
Milking in ideally not finishing the game.
Take the Behind the Dune dev. He has a complete game which is decently well known and has good quality but makes just 4k.
Milking takes a lot of work, its just the work is all in PR and discord micromanagement rather than gamedev. Now thats fine if you're much better at the former than the latter but otherwise it might be more prudent to make a good product and maintain a reputation rather than stripmining your audience and maybe making yourself a legal target like some patreon scammers when they take things too far.
Also there's an argument to be made for projects that deliver periodic content, some people like that and don't want it to end. Like a sitcom or comicbook. I wouldn't necessarily call projects like that scams.
>House party has 10k reviews.
>That means probably 10x that in sales
>30 fricking euro
Goddamn people out there just throwing that money away.
Reviews are less than 1% of sales, even shit 2$ jigsaw puzzle porn games often make $200K or more.
Sure if you are in the top the numbers are high. Take Dreams of Desire with estimated 40k sales for 12€. Ignoring discounts that's around half a million. But one has to keep in mind that's probably one of the top 1% best known games. Only 1 out of 100 devs is able to get there. Are you?
It's not just the top ones, really shit ones still make $100K+, like I said there is 2$ jigsaw puzzle porn games that have made $200K+. DLSite shows the number of sales, and Steam is 5-10X that at least.
>$10K in the hole for this
lmao, he's lying or got major ripped off.
>lmao, he's lying or got major ripped off.
I cant really see why he would lie about it, since he already abandoned the project and I dont imagine a lot of people will give him pitymoney if that wont get reinvested into the game.
I can imagine it can get pretty expensive if all the art in your game is commissioned, full color and with detailed backgrounds
>really shit ones still make $100K+
Ok, then why aren't there more at least decent games? For a country with low costs of living 100k would be a lot.
>Ok, then why aren't there more at least decent games?
Idk mate, there is a lot of shovelware even with non-porn games.
A lot of these morons only know how to use premade daz models, and don't know how to use SFM or blender game rip models. I was tempted to make a overwatch VN but also a lot of these guys are thirdworlders and don't have to worry as much about getting sued.
Tried it, on my first session after a few edges she told me to keep count how many times she makes me flick my tied up balls and just kept going and going
I counted up to like 150 or something moronicly high barely putting any force into my flicks anymore because it was far too much and she told me I was wrong and repeated it from the start
I gave up right there since my balls aren't made out of steel and had I done it seriously all the way through they'd probably be damaged so I hit Disobey until she let it go, then she got angry and made me violently edge a few more times while I was twisting my nipples and then halfway through the ending sequence she decided to blueball me, didn't let me cum, and proclaimed I was now in chastity for the next 5 days as punishment but would still have to come see here every one of those chastity days for edge and denial play or she would never forgive me.
Gave up right there and never opened the game again, clearly this isn't for me.
turn down pain tolerance and maybe disable counted tasks
you can accidentally make her commands way too tough if you don't know what you are doing with the sliders
I'm a virgin man, how am I supposed to make my dream game about a lesbian harem getting each other pregnant and going through pregnancy? how am I supposed to animate that and write it realistically? Even if I could character model and gameplay and sex scene I still can't music and sound design and character voice acting
voice acting.
bros I'm not an astronaut, how am I supposed to write a story about space...
gays I mean that I would literally have to watch weeks of lesbian porn on top of reading a shit ton of books on how to take care of your pregnant wife and what you can expect she would feel during pregnancy, and I would have to write dialogue, write dialogue thats not autistic, write dialogue thats not autistic and gets people off, write a sexy relationship between multiple women with at least somewhat compelling characters and dynamics, figure out how to make more than 5 different lesbian sex scenes per harem member without everything getting samey or dipping into fetishes I don't have, etc., etc.
without even any experience erping.
jesus christ dude, I'm imagining you getting hired to write a script for a porno and having a meltdown because you've never been a pizza delivery boy
coombrains get a -50 IQ penalty, you don't have to make your writing airtight and believable. Just titillating.
I want to make a game not a shitty vn with bad art and characters nobody cares about besides novelty value for their coom.
Are you implying that actual games on average have good writing
They're even worse than most VNs man
Well it seems like you're determined to self-sabotage any effort in the crib so whatever
bros I want to write a story about space but I don't want to do research... and for some reason I can't write the story until I understand 100% of everything ever instead of focusing on the important bits, it's over bros...
>be an astronaut
>write a story about space
>its boring as frick, nobody likes it
Actual non-virgins know that realistic sex is boring, its cartoonish and embellished in fiction for a reason LIKE LITERALLY EVERYTHING
Do virgins even realize how obvious they are
Should I do a Patreon scam vn? I can get the game part done easily with high quality, I just don't know how to get it known so I can milk and abuse my moron subscribers.
streamers can do patreons without even trying to produce anything other than being a personality. So not only do you need a compelling product but you need to be able to self market. I dont think a majority of Ganker could do Yandere devs scam. I would feel like I'm ripping people off doing that.
I make almost 4k a month from porn animations. I would do games but I'm not a very good programmer, and I already take a really fricking long time when it comes to animation. I can't imagine trying to add more work to that. If I wanted to make a porn game, I wouldn't want to half ass dating sim either, and at that point, I might as well make a real full game.
>I wouldn't want to half ass dating sim either, and at that point, I might as well make a real full game.
Nah, try to do that and you'll end up in feature creep/bloat early access hell, like Subverse.
What game is the OP?
Virtual Succubus by SuccuDev
thanks, I wanted to see how shit it is to make so much.
tfw i actually played this thinking i was the only one who knew this shit exists
It's one of the bigger sex games on Patreon, people just don't really talk much about how they enjoy having their masturbation managed by a virtual anime girl telling them how to stroke their wieners and slap their balls around.
>patreon literally needs your private information which will be sent to a different private company if you make 18+ content
Yea frick that.
I can make a hentai game but I'm currently grinding out my animation abilities by making FNF mods.
i would rather not spend my life and have my livelihood depend on how well I jerk off men
are you saying you aren't man enough to be a woman?
I'm sitting on my ass on here all day please kill me.
WHAT GAME
>WHAT GAME
WHAT GAME
>WHAT GAME
Game went to shit the moment he altered Succu-chan tbh.
I still think it's fricking hilarious he added a findom component to it
I wonder how many people even use that
should I go the softcore porn game route? Is that how I make big emones? My shit's jank but that doesn't seem to stop people and making something on the model of monster girl island with worse art seems easy enough
ok can I make it now
looks like shit
it's not exactly a job I can brag about
now McWaging, that's a job to be proud of.
woah slow down, there are plenty other jobs out there that aren't mcwaging
Unless you are making 50K a month for a patreon scam you my as well be working at McD's.
If you think flipping burgers and dealing with buttholes at McBlack folk is the same as cozy devving at home you're beyond moronic
Yeah I should obviously go work 10x as hard in a 1000x more stressful environment doing something completely unfulfilling to make less money because...I just should, ok?!?!
Its really sad how these morons make so much money with shitty models and art yet talented artists are niche
Yeah, it's depressing, there is a good artist from AGDG that makes nothing and a shit one that does cuckshit that gets $4K+ a month
Its odd how many of them use generic unity store assets and end up looking exactly like other games
Operation Lovecraft is carried by its art assets and its raking in an absurd amount despite barely coming up with anything promised
Imagine what a halfway competent dev with that level of art direction could achieve
Most japanese coom artists live inside their bubble. Ignoring overseas customers who give a ridiculous amount of money. Its sad.
It's not their fault western devils are frightening, treacherous and wicked
Imagine how confused and sad your average autistic Jap feels when he goes on twitter and gets dogpiled by trannies for breaking whatever weird social taboo they invented that week
I saw a picture of a jap explaining to other japs whats up with american professional protesters. Something like
>if you see pronouns in the profile its some kind of weirdo you should ignore
I mean do you expect them to learn another language? At least homare started a pateron. even though he uses google translate
yeah there are plenty of great japanese artists that make pennies because they dont know how to communicate or properly sell their art while shitty deviantart scribblers make 20k+ per month
marketing and networking and dealing with foreign money is a talent like any other and if you're good at it, that can carry you
its no different in the big business world or at the personal level, Ganker never gives enough credit to producers and such, the guys who literally make things happen
Anyone who just thinks they can make something and quietly release it into the wild like a wild bird they nursed back to health stands a high chance of ngmi
you dont need to be a fricking "producer" to speak basic english
Ah yes, the definition of producer is speaking basic english. Wow Anon you're so fricking next level holy shit.
are you a bit stupid?
dumb ass
moron
yes you are 🙂
producers do the jobs that I usually suck at like making schedules, following up on progress, bringing the right departments together to solve problems and sitting in meetings all day. Its the biggest reason I'm not making indie games and am a cog in the wheel at a AAA studio. I don't enjoy doing all that stuff but its very important for releasing finished products.
it's easy for a producer to do that, given they are receiving like 3 hour paid lunches each day
And yet strangely producers are in much higher demand and shorter supply than your average codemonkey or art grunt
I bet you're one of those childish redditor morons who think CEOs do literally nothing but sit in a chair and absorb money passively. Grow the frick up dude.
Oh my frick
What a stupidly oversimplified view
CEOs sign contracts that their workers prepare for them
kek
living the dream, god I wish I was born into the CEO caste...
yea for sure but im just glad other people are handling it because ive been on games with barely any producers and there was a good deal of crunch that resulted from people adding too much.
>Ignoring overseas customers who give a ridiculous amount of money
Good. The ones that do that are fricked in the head.
anyone with talent is making games that get picked up by publishers and they make about 3x that much just on their first title in 1 month.
if you dont love that shit, youll never be good at it. and if you do love it and make it your entire life, you'll never have anything else. i feel sorry for this poor coomer, i wouldnt trade him even though he makes more money than me.
>Go through years of uni for a degree
>mfw I see dudes making 6 figures a year on patreon with minecraft mods
>mfw no face
Man I picked the wrong fricking career path
Its a 1 in a 100 shot at making dosh though. Recently a WEG was abandoned because the dev was paying artists to make nice handdrawn art instead of shitty DAZmodels. And he ended up tens of thousands in the red because the patreon didnt grow.
What game?
pleasuremancer.
That's unfortunate and some projects blow up due to artist drama for sure but it comes down to project management such as not having flaky artists or ones that are too expensive for the scope of the project. Even well established investors blow tons of money on failed projects that never stood a chance or were just mismanaged.
In a perfect world a dev would have an inhouse artist that he has rapport with and is personally invested in the project (taking a cut of the profits rather than an upfront salary.) Taking on all the risk personally is potentially profitable but also risky, right?
My point was that WEG arent as guaranteed as you might think.
Whether people like your project or not is just a shot in the dark, you can update regularly, have good art and writing, and are consistent, but still end up with only a few thousand per month. And if youre only making a few hundred every month for months, you wonder if youre just working till you make a breakthrough, or youre just not interesting enough for a larger audience.
Ideally, you are an artist and writer by yourself, or you have an artist that you can trust to give it 100%. But even that doesnt guarantee success.And most people dont have that, so you either learn how to make shitty DAZ models, or you commission artists, invest a lot of money into something that might never give a return, and pray you end up with a good amount of patreonbux.
I mean if you're doing the exact same shit as everyone at a mediocre level, of course its going to be a roll of the dice. But you don't have to, you're supposed to be trying to get a leg up on your competition.
>But you don't have to, you're supposed to be trying to get a leg up on your competition.
I keep tabs on a lot of projects, and ive seen both garbage succeed, and interesting projects crash and burn.
Is it more likely that its completely absolutely random or that you just haven't identified where each project fails or succeeds?
One of those possibilities absolves you of agency I suppose.
I think it's fetishes that play a major factor, cuckshit makes money even if the art or models are shit. It's a bit random though.
There are a lot of underserviced fetishes out there but I think people who don't personally enjoy the fetish might have a hard time portraying it properly, fetishists are pretty specific and their desperation only goes so far. I've seen a lot of furries grossed out by the VGCats dude's smut
>Is it more likely that its completely absolutely random or that you just haven't identified where each project fails or succeeds?
Decent projects with decent update schedules that don't have some sort of poisonpill fetish will usually break $1000 a month, at least.
You need to be making something people want and you need to convince them you aren't just another fricking scam. That's it.
Absolute garbage like this https://f95zone.to/threads/twisted-world-v0-5-public-snatsgames.70143/
makes $5000+ a month because it hits a niche and has a semi-reliable update schedule. Doesn't matter that it looks like shit, written like shit and smells like shit.
Reminds me of syndicated comics, I think they're all fricking bland garbage but people absolutely love them and get attached to them to the point that they're cultural staples. Maybe what people really want is their weekly Ziggy comic but with a dash of NTR/incest.
Honestly I don't know that many NTR games that make significant amounts of money. There are some, but they really do seem more like the exception than the rule. Incest on the other hand is a clear winner.
Yeah, NTR is pretty niche and usually scares away more people than it attracts. Incest is a lot more tame. Some light corruption/mindcontrol or body modification could also be safe enough bets
>One of those possibilities absolves you of agency I suppose.
I have no horse in this race, so I dont see why I would need to absolve myself of agency or make myself feel better.
But if you do see a pattern, or if you do have a million dollar idea that will get you a 6 figure patreon income, that go for it.
Fetishes can cut both ways, at the one hand it can get you a dedicated fanbase who cannot get their fetish from other games, at the other hand people that dont have that fetish wont donate. People that dont like cuckshit are pretty vehemently against it. Same with furries. But if you go for the furrydollar you will have furgays bankrolling you, same with cuckshit. You do have to know what makes the fetish work though.
Another strategy is haremshit where every girl is aimed at a different fetish, that way you can get a bunch of different people paying you.
Let's cut the bullshit.
Post the weg you're making.
I just started, so I don't have anything to show. Should I post my patreon kek.
Sure, even WIP stuff would be cool
VN, although I have more experience making renders than most so I've gotten praise for that.
>and how much effort do you put into outreach/marketing
I've tried a bit, and honestly even with really cheap ads the conversion rate is so fricking low that even a $0.02 CPC ends up not being all that productive.
The most success I've had has been having a good F95 thread with good reviews, cross promotions with bigger, more well known creators and itch.io, in that order.
R*ddit, Allah smite it, can work if you have 2D or Daz assets.
That sounds about right, never heard anything good about running ads online. Meanwhile word of mouth in communities that tend to be interested in that sort of shit is a no brainer.
But VN is such a crowded field, honestly have no clue how Summertime Saga managed to rise so high above the rest but people should be market researching the hell out of that.
I think maybe they got in early with the taboo shit though of course Patreon isn't making that very easy nowadays.
>But VN is such a crowded field, honestly have no clue how Summertime Saga managed to rise so high above the rest but people should be market researching the hell out of that.
Because it got in really early when wegs were starting to popularize and it has that early 2000s Newgrounds flash game grind. Simple as, really.
There are Honey Select and Daz games from that era that also make absurd amounts of money, it's not from quality. It's because porn consumers tend to imprint on their first product like ducklings.
>Are you saying it wouldn't work for original 3D models? That's what I'm doing.
That can work but it's gotta look great otherwise you're going to have people b***hing about why you aren't using Daz instead. Remember, you're marketing to morons with their penises out.
>Sure, even WIP stuff would be cool
I was joking about how greedy most weg devs are, I'm not posting my patreon until I have something major to show.
>R*ddit, Allah smite it, can work if you have 2D or Daz assets.
Are you saying it wouldn't work for original 3D models? That's what I'm doing.
I'm moronic and think that my game has to actually be "fun" but can't think of any ideas. Otherwise I don't see the point in making it a "game" rather than regular porn.
Just rip off a fun game, I found Last Evil very enjoyable
Someone should make a porno version of Monster Train
Personal integrity mostly.
And not wishing to live up to expectations of people I don't know month after month.
I would if i could find a foolproof way that it wont link back to me personally
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i hate that lots of patreons now hide the amount per month they make
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Look, I have /d/ fetishes, and I often sift through various quality of art of my fetishes. Even the worst artists I see do get comissions. It doesn’t take a lot to nsfw stuff, especially fetishes. And I often see a lack of games for my fetishes that aren’t literally just cyoa stories. And there are people out there that will pay a lot. I mean, I associate Aigis from Persona with TF art since there are so many of them that they can outnumber the regular Aigis rule 34 art, and the Wonder Bread fetish meme exists for a reason, and sometimes the actually good games in there can lead to an impact. For example, CHANGED is a furry transformation fetish game that is apparently also a good puzzle game, to the point that one of the characters is well known by furries overall it seems.
>And I often see a lack of games for my fetishes that aren’t literally just cyoa stories.
I feel you, I've got a idea for TF game but TF in 3D looks like dogshit and would take too many 2D assets to make. I'm not sure /d/ games are as profitable as you think though.
Yeah, I am not saying that it is extremely profitable, but it doesn’t take much to be good enough for people to be willing to pay,
e-girl is the real cash cow but its being suppressed so hard good luck trying to monetize it
>real cash cow
>good luck trying to monetize it
doesnt sound like much of a cashcow then.
well I guess its a cashcow if youre a millionaire that secures e-girl pussy for politicians
These artificial silicon valley regulations will eventually come down just as hard on other fetishes, then the only cash cow will be something terrible like gay anal prolapse or something
I assume he means the problem is finding a service that will let you take money for it
really feeling discriminated
you are being discriminated
I am already making online casino games and providing them to platforms for a cut of the profits.
It's similar to making coomer games. No matter the time period, there will always be demand for sex and gambling.
test
I have morals
Please be bait
I know there are morons this moronic, but I hope you aren't one
What is the minimum amount of hardware I need to make my own digital art?
How much Photoshop (in terms of time spent learning) do I need to know to make something half-decent?
okay pc with lots of memory
wacom tablet, even a cheap one will do (around $100)
pirated copy of photoshop (you will only use 10% of its functionality)
There's more online tutorials out there than you can count
Its really cheap honestly
not everyone have talent.
Most of the people who make porn games don't have talent.
the only thing you need is a cheap tablet, there's plenty of free software that won't limit you at all
Pretty sure these people don’t make games alone, at least not while trying to maintain a modicum of quality.
collaborating and commissioning is not a superpower
we're all gonna make it but not overnight, keep working bros
Honestly, figuring out the game mechanics. If I was going to make a coomer game it must be an actual game with good mechanics and a rewarding play loop. I need to thread the needle between yet another visual novel with meaningless minigames and an autisticly deep labyrinth of systems you need to navigate just to see some breasts.
Also I need to nail down the genre. I want it to be comfy as frick and with a relatively low stake tone. Something like Aurelia before they added the dungeon diving and combat garbage. I want players to farm and fish and explore and collect cool stuff and then bang sexy chicks in a chillin land.
See, I tend to lean the complete opposite direction. Despite likely being better suited to designing a game, what I think works best for porno is interactive fiction, branching storylines with lots of conditional text. A good Twine game, basically. Maybe I could make the Alpha Protocol of porno games.
Probably. I should clarify the game systems I am thinking about are in parallel to your typical visual novel set ups. Good characters you can progress with plus well designed game systems to give players a way to advance to unlock more babes and content.
Gamey unlock systems are a contrivance contrary to character storytelling. Not to say there can't be gameplay, but I feel it must be either divorced from narrative or fully integrated into narrative (instead of a failure scene, failure selects a story branch - think Until Dawn/Dark Pictures, but ideally not QTEs).
Agreed, thus why it is holding me back. Need to think of that sweet spot/ innovative leap to make the game be great. Just do not have the time between my /tg/ projects and irl shenanigans to give an actual frick
Nothing I guess. I'm good enough at writing. I'll put it on the list of stuff ai'm gonna try. I could easily write for some shitty text game or visual novel while at work, which would mean it isn't wasted time.
It's illegal in Texas
73 thousand a month for this
Hot
me on the left
How do I not get fricked in the ass with copyright claims?
I don't want to draw every single thing.
Public domain images? Tracing public domain images?
If I do draw everything by myself, how do I protect it from being used by someone else?
Hate this IP israelitery.
Free use 3D models
>Tracing public domain images?
>If I do draw everything by myself, how do I protect it from being used by someone else?
put denuvo lmao
>If I do draw everything by myself, how do I protect it from being used by someone else?
Out of the great porn artists out there, some other weg scammer isn't going to steal you shitty artwork.
do you think shit like this is worth stealing?
homosexual
a lot of morons copy his art, cargo cult like mentality.
if I'm gonna learn how to code I want to make something I'm proud of
is that Yeefi
23k per month, but:
>presumably paying someone for the art
>having to do payroll taxes yourself
>being beholden to """patrons"""
And most importantly
>making porno games for permavirgins
If you're driven enough to learn to develop a game, at that point just work for a place like Amazon; you'd be making at least as much money after tax, and it would be more sustainable long term.
Okay Jeff
Working independently is the dream.
It's riskier, but there is no limit to how much you can earn.
To each their own. I like other people too much to want to be a gun for hire, but if a personal project takes off, then is definitely better than you could be making in just about any corporate gig.
As a side hustle, it would be great (same as any contracting at that point) but for full-time dev work, I wouldn't take the lack of stability (at that rate).
The one caveat is that that's only in regards to porn games, since their mass-market appeal is going to be limited; if you were making that much on patreon doing "normal" game development, then full steam ahead, best of luck.
I don't even work for Amazon, but I'll fight anyone that says AWS isn't a good product. :^)
if you can get a team together its a pretty ez side hustle. you just need to convince the artist that story writing + code is somehow worth 50% cut
>having to do payroll taxes yourself
lol, lmao even
Because I'm an idiot, I set up a itch.io page for my h-rpg project, but I haven't set any payment method if people want to donate to support the project at all. So I leave it as free, despite spending money to buy RPGmaker MV, buying RPGmaker DLCs Ancient Dunegon packs and a couple of music packs.
I can't write believable characters
I draw and program however
> I can't write
Let's work together fren
>> I can't write
that's literally the easiest part
> fantasy setting
> MC comes to new town or is transported there
> meet new friends and frick them
Can't you just use an AI? as if people would notice, they already have low standards for smut writing you just have to double check and make proper adjustments
weg's writing are shit, but I think people will notice if it's AI tier, unless you pass it off as MTL and that you are a ESL.
>Can someone give me a list of the best-selling porn games?
here is best preforming ones on patreon, I don't have one for steam.
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/adult-games
Appreciated man. Time to study some porn games
Can someone give me a list of the best-selling porn games? I am working a game set at a mage school a la Harry Potter, but while I have a general idea of progress like classes, parties, etc, I need inspiration for how to approach the actual porn/romance part
>be a leaf weg dev
>get a leaf follower on itch
kill me.. for not abusing complete low tier taste average porn consoomers and their obsession with ugly women, and instead drawing my porn for free
seriously
It's never too late to channel your disappointment in the lack of standards that most of humanity has by making consoomers fund your life.
They're willing so why not take their money?
at some point I felt like, surely they are already too busy funding 10 other frickin’ ugly WEGs to throw a dollar anywhere else
plus I still have standards…
> What's your excuse?
Can't code or draw
> Why don't you support?
> Pic related
> Almost 9-10 month since the last update
This is the reason why i'm not supporting any fricks on patreon
>game has some elaborate status update
>slows down more and more as the patreon starts fattening
jesus christ. Guess you gotta keep them hungry if you want them to push out content at a decent pace
I just dont bother until its fnished. Saves me the pain of waiting for updates, or finding out a game is abandoned
>I just dont bother until its fnished.
So you've never played a weg then eh?
There are a few done, like shelter (rushed) and milky touch (rushed). but seriously, there are a couple finished projects. Like treasure of nadia, zombie retreat, town of passion, my darling in the 90s. Problem is that a lot of these authors dont actually make that much money, and authors that decide to just publish a finished game and ask a set price for it often find they make barely any money. People complain about games never finishing, but when it comes to paying they support patroen scams, punish decent people on patreon, and dont buy finished games
I get free NEETbux from the guv'mint already
I am a screenwriter. Hit me up to write some good stories and dialogue for your sex games. We will make kinos.
Devs know the tech but not scripts like videomakers know script but not making games.
What is your opinion on Nasu's porn prose?
Too many poetic buulshit and fluff for sensationalism. He sounds like he has never had a bj to be honest senpai.
dressing up porn with flowery prose is really fricking pretentious.
now there are two of you. What do you think about his fighting prose?
Better. The snake metaphor makes you visualise his technique. However O wouldn't say it again in the second paragraph.
"That's why he was wounded." The end. We get it, snakes, fast, bites don't put it again.
what about his philosophical prose?
It's ok. We can make it shorter with the same meaning however it is dialogue. Maybe it fits the character as is.
Improve some things, instead of 'by learning', "by experience" or "by living", something more impactful.
It's not his prose, it's the translators.
sure
>Devs know the tech but not scripts like videomakers know script but not making games.
You can't even post right, I'm not trusting you to write for me.
It's 1am. I hate Sundays.
Art and programmer chads, should never trust the writejew
I really hate that everything needs to have 50 different levels of premium now.
It’s like the serf cattle have gotten so upset about not being invited to galas and soirées that they engage in this moronic nonsense to feel special.
Like people that bought horse armor, CoD and Halo maps, WoW subs, made Nosebook and Twatter accounts and even purchased pet rocks… frick these Patreon eternal EA scum and their constant reminder that the free market doesn’t fricking work with slack jawed, soiboy morons who can’t control themselves or their (lack of) dignity.
I believe that's partly because there a so many single men now with disposable income that would have been previously spent on family. Now they have no idea what to even spend that money on so it goes to different subscriptions, onlyfans, patreon etc. I think this should be studied more.
>I think this should be studied more.
There is the concept of the the accursed share. The basic idea is that the sun deposits more energy on earth than strictly needed to sustain life, this extra energy is the accursed share, and gets wasted on stuff. Luxury items, war, etc.
I already make a decent amount drawing porn.
Would it have affected the WEG market a lot if Subverse turned out to be a great game and even mainstream success? Feels like the way it flopped kinda dragged the whole scene down a little.
I can code but I'm mediocre at it. What's worse, I know nothing about art or game design and such.
you can make more money by being a vrchat stripper
I can only draw traditionally, most people don't want to jack it to watercolour and ink.
Probably illegal in my country anyway.
people jack it to gobbos, im sure that the style could be appreciated since it would stand out (although im not sure if watercolor would be clear enough to see details). The concern i would have is how to digitize it and if you can produce porn fast enough to keep up a decent upload schedule
I make more than that sitting at home and 'working' for about 2 - 3 hours per day.
ok then Black folk
I'll make a vn and sell it
What theme do you gays want?
And what should the main waifu look like
>What theme do you gays want?
Literally every fetish that exists.
>And what should the main waifu look like
Steve Buscemi with a wig.
Alright. You play an average high school teenager, and, get this, he has a huge dick and a bunch of girls lusting for his dick. But hes real dense and the girls clam up every time they're about to shout at him that they love him and he should stop being so dense.
Main girl is a blonde twin tail tsundere with ZR
Ok I'll work on this shit
watch Ganker for the next year or so, I'll post it when it's done
Im too stupid to code
I can make shitty stuff in koikatsu though
that means youre already halfway there, about 50% ahead of most people making WEGs.
I'm gonna make it...
Okay here's my pitch. It's a battlefrick game based on Inuyasha.
You play as an OC Donut Steel who can time travel through the well like Kagome. You travel around collecting shards of the sacred israeliteel (which you can equip for various effects) and in the meantime you can seduce and fug any of the girls. Your performance in battlefrick determines how they react to you and affects the story.
I just need to drag this out into a decade-long patreon project without getting sued.
Have any advice on making models look better and accurate to the original style like
you have to frick around in blender right?
Not him but it looks like stuff you could make with just mods, don't think these models are complex enough to be that level
I ported her hair from a mobile game rip and cleaned up the model a little bit in blender. I'm a complete blender amateur who can barely finish the donut tutorial so it was very basic stuff. Similarly I modded the sailor top to have poofy sleeves in blender. Her midriff was exposed using basic overlay texture editing.
Her eye texture was also ripped from a mobile game but that was just using photoshop - I'd like to go back and redraw it since it doesn't look that great under close scrutiny. Eyelashes are a very small edit of an existing eyelash texture.
Everything else is vanilla sliders/mod sliders
For models I highly recommend the XNALara and MMD communities on deviantart. There are plugins to convert models that have been prepared for both of these things to a format that blender can read.
Picrel was a similar process. Very basic model rips/imports from the let's go pikachu model.
>Reading this thread
>Used to write Naruto Erotica back in 2015 because I was sick of Sakura not getting anything decent written
>Got a lot of views and people were excited in reviews
>Gave it up to continue my League of Legends addiction
Maybe I'll take a break from making shitpost rpgmaker games and try Erotica again, you really can just download these models from wherever and not need to properly animate them?
The only gobbo games I've played are Milfy City and Dating my Daughter so I've not seen many of them. I'm confident I can write something interesting and renpy is easy to use.
How do you get started on advertising your game however? I only remember that one h-game rpgmaker dev that posted on /vrpg/ rpgmaker threads. His game began with A.
Adding onto this. I'll need to look up how American highschools work as I have no idea really. In Scotland we only have Primary - Secondary school then it's College/Unitversity.
Most weg users are in the Americas right? How many wegs are set in Europe over America anyway? It can't be many.
>preschool
>kindergarten
>elementary school (grade 1-5, sometimes 1-6)
>middle school (grade 6-8, sometimes through grade 9)
>high school (grade 9/10-12)
>college
Nowadays it's completely impossible to be held back a year so nearly everyone graduates at 17/18 depending on their birth month and how things worked out
You can also set the world in fantasyland that is an undefined mix of european culture. It can save you a lot of trouble with the finer details of american school life and also introduce stuff that will work well for the porn but wouldnt be realistic in america.
Not a bad idea anon. Thanks.
porn writing 101 anon. Allows you to make everyone 18+, allows you to have older and younger characters as you please, allows you to give the character days off or extra days when you want, allows you to give character a schedule that wouldnt be realistic (more flexible and less hours than realistic), allows you to introduce school clubs or a morals committee without it being weird.
>you really can just download these models from wherever and not need to properly animate them?
They have lots of pose packs but if you might need to make your own animations for sex.
I'm a shitty artist who doesn't know how to market himself.
But it does seem nice to make a living wage off just drawing what you want.
I realy wish there was a way to learn this ability.
1. Hate/can't focus on coding
2. Would want to make an open 3d world game instead of a renpy (feeds into one)
3. The renpy idea I do have would get C&D'd by Nintendo.
That all being said, maybe I will just sit down and make a weg one day. I've gotten interested in erotic writing, so I could possibly make a story for one at least.
>Would want to make an open 3d world game instead of a renpy
opposite ends of the difficulty scale
lol. lmao