>When an Ice type uses a move with a chance to freeze, the probably of the status occurring is doubled. Doesn't work with Terastallization and Protean
Thoughts?
>When an Ice type uses a move with a chance to freeze, the probably of the status occurring is doubled.
Could be lampshaded as a biological advantage that other types lack, like frost glands or blizzard-pressure-controlling organs or whatever
Sure why not. Still a shit type.
My thoughts are that you should play the game instead of making pointless buffs.
Freeze is broken, that's exactly why it's the only status that doesn't have a move that inflicts it.
It's basically sleep but better. Sleep is guaranteed to only last a few turns, a Pokemon only has 20% chance to thaw out each turn.
How about instead of Freeze then replace it with Frostbite from Legends Arceus? Gives a burn effect and cuts SpA in half, like Burn does for Atk
They can't do that because they already balanced the game around burn and intimidate existing by nerfing special moves to be weaker than their physical equivalent.
then un-nerf special moves
>then make physical and special the same fricking thing but with different names for no reason
Please never design a game in your life.
>make physical and special the same fricking thing but with different names for no reason
They already are, moron
>they are unique because one is shittier than the other for no reason other than a single ability
lmao
Combine the two. Make Frostbite do damage over time AND have a 20-30% chance of not moving at all because its too cold.
Change Freeze to Frostbite and its perfect
>make the game worse and ruin the type’s identity and it’s perfect
Freeze is cancer and it'll never receive any buffs.
Freeze is practically a OHKO.
That’s the whole point. Ice is a high risk high reward type.
There's no risk in using something like Bundle or Chien Pao.
>ica is a high risk as a fricking OHKO
Absolute mongoloid.
No, that's stupid.
Yes, also boost freeze of blizzard to 20%
I'm happy Blizzard at leats has 100% chance hit in snow weather.
>Ice-type pokemon have a 10% chance to avoid attacks in Hail
>when an Ice-type pokemon uses an attack in Hail it will always have 100% accuracy
Is Hail finally a good weather condition?
Hail's already been replaced by Snow.
Snow is ass. Bring back Hail. Or combine the two. The chip damage is necessary because unlike Sun and Rain it doesn't give any attack buffs.
Snow is superior in every possible way.
Nobody ever used hail outside of meme teams whereas snow is a respectable competitive archetype.
Having chip damage on hail means that you have to fully commit to the shittiest type in the game and lose the luxury of running sash, the most important defensive item in the game.
With snow you get plenty of very useful benefits but if you have to switch out your Abomasnow/Bundle/whatever it's not a big deal because its effect is neutral at worst.
Chip damage is also part of the reason why sand and Tyranitar are declining. Fully dedicated weather teams are an obsolete concept, even trick room is starting to get used in a less dedicated way.
>Having chip damage on hail means that you have to fully commit to the shittiest type in the game
What? No it doesn't.
>and lose the luxury of running sash
I use Focus Sash all the time on Ninetales. What the frick are you talking about?
>What? No it doesn't
Yes it does. If you activate hail but then have to use your non-ice Pokemon all you did was fricking yourself over by reducing the durability of your defensive core (I seriously hope you're not running an ice type one) and reducing your sash options.
>I use Focus Sash all the time on Ninetales
Ice Ninetales is not in the game, larper-san.
If it was you'd have to be an idiot not to run light clay on a defensive set since aurora veil is the only reason to build it like that.
>Yes it does.
Does my game explode if I run Pokemon other than Bug-types with Hail or something?
>all you did was fricking yourself over by reducing the durability of your defensive core
Wow, I didn't know Hail magically only damages my team but not the opponent's. Are you sure we're talking about the game and not the imaginary fanfic game you just made up?
>Ice Ninetales is not in the game
Yeah I'm sure I'll have trouble picking from the other 400 Pokemon I can use.
>If it was you'd have to be an idiot not to run light clay
I don't need Light Clay if I KO the opponent's Pokemon instead.
>Does my game explode if I run Pokemon other than Bug-types with Hail or something?
I'd recommend ice instead of bug.
>Wow, I didn't know Hail magically only damages my team but not the opponent's
If you're switching out of your own hail instead of sweeping chances are that you don't hold the momentum. Inflicting extra chip damage on the Pokemon you're switching into is a big disadvange, this is why entry hazards are popular. In the current gen they're starting to appear even in 3v3 and 4v4 formats.
>Yeah I'm sure I'll have trouble picking from the other 400 Pokemon I can use
Only a tiny selection of those benefit from hail, which is why hail shouldn't be the core of your team. I say this as someone who uses a G-Slowking + Bundle core in BSS.
>I don't need Light Clay if I KO the opponent's Pokemon instead
With this?
> I'd recommend ice instead of bug.
But you said I need to run the shittiest type in the game. Do I automatically lose if I use something other than bug types?
>If you're switching out of your own hail instead of sweeping chances are that you don't hold the momentum
According to who? Does hail magically stop damaging my opponent if I switch?
> Only a tiny selection of those benefit from hail
Why do I need all my Pokemon to benefit from hail?
> With this?
Yes. Turns out Sheer Cold and 110BP unmissable STAB can KO things. Have you played the game?
Fricking terrible idea.
Is it really that hard to make it so Ice is good without bullshit?
No BSTs higher than fricking Groudon
No effective 210 Atk
No Zacian-H tier stats with similar power through ability too
No abusing Snow Cloak bullshit
No having a 1 out of 5 chance on their STAB moves to completely shut down a Pokemon
>NOOOO THOSE THINGS THAT MAKE IT GOOD DONT COUNT BECAUSE…THEY JUST DONT!!
They’re bad because they don’t solve the underlining issue with Ice typing. They infact more often use Ice as a hindering typing, screwing over majority of Ice types that are regular Pokemon and not on par with shit like Groudon and Zacian.
>They’re bad because they don’t solve the underlining issue with Ice typing
But they do.
>b-but the ones with bad stats are bad!
Congrats, you discovered how the entire game works. Why don’t you go b***h about Water needing a buff because Lumineon and Whiscash are trash next?
>no special burn
>no special intimidate
>no special move with 130 bp and virtually no drawbacks
sure they are, moron.
I guarantee you Articuno and Ninetales would both be worse if they weren’t Ice-type.
>no special intimidate
Intimidate should be buffed
>morons here genuinely would rather give Ice types +170 effective offenses and 20% chance to freeze before they’d give Ice more than 1 fricking resistance
>people here would genuinely rather keep the type’s identity than make pointless buffs that pander to people who don’t play the game
Yes.
It already did. In gen 4. Then in gen 7. Then in gen 9. Play the game.
>A type so defensively shit it had to be reworked three times and is STILL garbage
>it’s garbage because…I don’t play the game and only stare at the type chart
>please ignore how the top 10 most used pokemon has 3 ice types
>please ignore how the top 10 most used pokemon has 3 ice types
if you count chien-pao 3 times maybe you can get a top 10 with 3 ice types
also none of the most used ice types are defensive
None of the top 10 are defensive. You don’t win games in Pokemon by being defensive dumbass.
>You don’t win games in Pokemon by being defensive dumbass
So why is Amoongus a top 3 Pokemon in VGC? Why are Cresselia and Indeedee so popular?
Why is Ting Lu top 10 in BSS?
>You don’t win games in Pokemon by being defensive
Play the game, secondary homosexual.
>also none of the most used ice types are defensive
Because its not supposed to be a defensive type, brainiac. It's got a top tier offensive profile, and offensive ice types excel, often to the point of being broken. Anyone saying the type is bad doesnt play the game.
Literally every single Ice type would objectively be better with literally any other type and those Ice types you list would in fact be broken without the Ice typing. Fact that Zekrom has been better than Kyurem-B even after getting proper Ice STAB is definitive proof Ice typing just sucks.
>What are abilities.
>Because its not supposed to be a defensive type, brainiac.
Nooooooooooo
How could this be!?
ICE is bad defensively???
Say it ain't so!!!
I play the game.
Ice should resist Electric and Poison.
Ice shouldn’t just get a bunch of Pokemon with 180 extra BST.
Cope and play the game.
>I play the game
The toddler campaign doesn’t count.
Neither does not playing the game, but here you are, someone who doesn’t play the game what so ever. btw I play PvP and have been doing so for over a decade.
Nope. Both Articuno and Ninetails would be better defensively as monotype flying and fairy. Ice gives zero (0) utility as a defensive typing and is only good to give Icebeam STAB.
>I guarantee you Articuno and Ninetales would both be worse if they weren’t Ice-type
Articuno doesn't benefit from its typing in any way aside from STAB blizzard and freeze dry.
>Articuno would be wors-ACK!
>ban a mon from using its main characteristics
>people don’t use it
Imagine my shock
Fanfic Black folk are so obnoxious
>Its main characteristic is evasion bullshit under Snow Cloak
Even if it had Snow Cloak, everyone would agree it’s trash anyways. No more discussion from you because you’re a homosexual that thinks evasion is perfectly fine mechanic.
Whether you like the mechanic or not is irrelevant the Pokemon is balanced and designed around it and sheer cold
>everyone would agree
Who? People who don’t play the game like you?
>evasion is perfectly fine mechanic
It is.
Get buckbroken you sissy furry gayboy twinks.
Why do they keep trying to make Ice a defensive typing? You'd have to rework its resistances if you wanted to make it work.
>Why do they keep trying to make Ice a defensive typing?
Because it works
>Because it works
The only thing Ice resists is itself, so no it does not.
Meanwhile the type has FOUR weaknesses.
Damn bro I didn’t know the type chart is literally the only mechanic that exists. Shame on me for actually playing the game.
>freeze is dogshit game design so lets replace it with even worse game design
Lovely meme.
Yes anon, please tell me why Steel type is the most fragile type in the game. I'd love to hear it.
>Yes anon, please tell me why [schizo noises that have nothing to do with the argument]
Hmm? What's that you say?
Steel has 10 resistances and one immunity?
Balderdash! The type chart isn't the only mechanic that exists, you know! Steel types are defensively terrible!
>thinks that’s even remotely what I said
Damn, no wonder you’re terrible at a game meant for toddlers.
Please, o wise master of Pokemon, tutor me on why Ice is a great defensive type. I'll wait.
Try reading the words that are under moves and abilities. They might tell you something useful so you can learn how to get good at the game for once.
>Ice is a great defensive type because MOVES have EFFECTS!
You're going to have to do better than that.
>TH-THESE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE GAME DON’T COUNT!
why do people who don’t play the game always resort to this awful cope? It’s like they want to talk about a fanfic imaginary version of the game they made up instead of the actual game. Is it autism?
Damn man, you're a terrible teacher. I'm here waiting and I haven't learned a goddamn thing. Can I call in a substitute teacher?
Ice is a dogshit defensive typing. Any defensive Ice-type pokemon is made better by removing its ice typing.
It doesn't tho. Ice has 1 resistance and 4 weaknesses. That is not defensive.
Ice should be reworked defensively.
Just fricking add in Frostbite already. Freeze is just dogshit game design
Though it's very GF to actively regress your game
Freeze is already redundant, Sleep does everything it wants to much more reliably. There's multiple moves and abilities that induce thawing that will never likely see usage in a normal playthrough because freezing is so uncommon.
when a slow bulky ice type uses an ice move it kills itself to speed the battle up
thoughts?
Wow, Mega Glalie's gimmick. Real imaginative.
It should resist water instead of the other way around, seriously how the frick does it not resist water when its made of water?
Make fairy weak to ice since the ice age killed the dinosaurs
Better than Chien Pao going for The flinch with Icicle Crash.
>When an Ice type uses a move with a chance to freeze, the probably of the status occurring is doubled.
you know what
that would boost for sure boost its smogshit viability
but freeze is cancer regardless, get rid of it already
I'd rather see freeze redesigned to be exactly one turn, and any attack against a frozen target breaks them out, but is a guaranteed crit. Now freeze is basically just a flinch that doesn't require you to go first, and has counterplay in that you can switch a frozen pokemon out, then switch them in on a resisted move for a free thaw or self target in a double battle with a faster teammate to skip the frozen turn.
I want the play the game shitposters to get buckbroken and cucked into oblivion.
I genuinely believe that there will be a massive shitstorm if Ice even got one new resistance, even if it was a resistance against Normal or Poison.
Now if it was a resistance to Fairy, or Ground, then /vp/ would be a buckbroken mess.
>it would be better if it didn’t have ice ty-ACK!
The problem with Ice Type is that its an offensive type slapped on a lot of defensive pokemon. If said defensive ice pokemon could dish it out and more importantly take it, there's no problem. But a lot of these frickers are so slow and minmax into defense while having a gaping hole in Sp. Def that they get clapped in seconds by any pokemon with a special type attack. Its not the type chart that's the problem, since everyone wants an ice type move in their kit, but how many pokemon don't have the necessary skills to pull off an ice tank. It doesnt help that Ice Type is such a lategame type too where those gimmicks may or may not fall over near the end of the singleplayer campaign.
Meanwhile, pokemon like Weavile and Chien-Pao were or are le competitive meta, and pokemon like Lapras and Walrein had more balanced defenses, a very generous HP pool and a good dual typing in water so they could actually play the part of tank. And then you have stupid shit like Aurorus with the most dogshit defensive typing in every game trying to play tank and Avalugg that halfasses its defenses by DOOMPING Def and leaving nothing for Sp. Def.
But if you want the worst, most terrible type in almost every game, its Rock. It's everything wrong with ice except its weaker, misses all the fricking time and Ground type does its job better
>Aurorus
I wish my favorite Pokemon can have something going for it. I'm sick of it being treated as second-class and I'm tired of all the "weak to everything" jokes.
And all the shitposting cuckolds preaching that "It weNT exTiNcT For A reaSON" every time someone says that Aurorus should have Power Gem can kiss my ass and jack off to their precious Rillaboom jpeg sweep to the point their balls shrivel up and their dicks become so raw that the skin falls off.
I wish the games stop putting the type at the very end where you have a dozen options to kill it.
the easiest way to tell if someone doesn't play the game is if they think anything other than Bug is the worst type.
Nah its rock
Nah its bug
Rock is good offensively and good defensively when sand is up while Bug is complete dogshit at both.
Please enlighten us on how Rock is a good defensive typing.
>Tries lecturing others when he still can't teach
I can't teach people who can't read the effects of moves.
Maybe you should try harder. Saying "read the textbook" isn't teaching.
Volcarona.
Tyranitar. Glimmora. Garganacl. Arcanine.
Oops! Looks like Bug is still the worst type!
You mean that one Pokemon that only uses its fire STAB?
Blizzard spam in VGC would become incredibly popular and toxic.
Why do you want more freeze in the game?
>
All the Pokemon in the first two sections have a very good typing, it's only the stat distribution that hinders them. Recently Hisuian Arcanine has become an extremely prevalent Pokemon in VGC and BSS, and it has the same typing as Magcargo. The difference is that its stats are built more intelligently and its moves and abilities are cohesive.
Cool, now show them per capita.
This image is funny because the steel Pokemon shown are clearly better than the rest. I wonder what could be the cause?
ice type are already overpowered, they dont need extra bullshit
>Ice type is good because there are a few good ice type attacks
That's swell and all but the type itself is still bad defensively because it has only one (1) resistance and four (4) weaknesses.
Wow anon please tell us more about how type matchups are the only mechanic in the game and how you think Cynthia is hard.
Type matchups are incredibly important for team construction. Especially defensive teams. The fact ice types require both Snow and Auroraveil to be called defensive is telling.
>Type matchups are incredibly important for team construction
Not really.
>It needs the things that are in the game to be defensive so it doesn't count because...it just doesn't count please stop talking about the game I want to talk about my imaginary made up game
>>Type matchups are incredibly important for team construction
>Not really.
Oh, you're actually moronic.
Anon, I hate to break this to you, but PvP doesn't play like the campaign where people just mindlessly click super effective moves to win. Maybe one day you'll learn this and be good at the game.
>bro just let me set up and then you'll see how strong my pokemon are
>clicks Flamethrower
>NOOOOO! YOU DIDN'T LET ME SET UP SNOW AND AURORAVEIL!
>Ninetales Focus Sash activates
>KO you anyway while you were crying about type matchups
oops
>needs Focus Sash to survive
Lol. Nice 'defensive' pokemon ya got there.
>KO you
Neither fairy or ice are super effective against fire. Nice try tho
54324365
>wojak
>disingenuous strawman
>it's disingenuous even though it's the exact argument I'm using which is why I'm seething so hard at it
I bet you fantasize over big black men.
No, how about when Water types use Ice moves there is absolutely no chance of freezing? Because that's the problem
>Because that's the problem
Maybe one or two gens ago. Nowadays all relevant water types are physical attackers with no ice coverage
It's kinda endearing to see you (yes: You) show up every time someone calls Ice shitty. I think you've been doing this for what, over three years easily? Your writing style is very recognizable and your retorts are usually some variation of "play the game".
Anyway, what's your favorite Ice type? I like Weavile, but mostly for its frickability.
Why doesn't Articuno have Frost Body?
Both fire and Ice effects are shit.
Fire moves having 10% to burn is stupid.
same with freeze.
The fact FRICKING GHOST MOVE needs to be used to Burn is idiotic.
What ghost move burns?
Will o wisp
That's a fire type move
Infernal Parade
Should of replaced Freeze with the Frostbite status they brought in for Legends. While they're at it; stop making more defensive ice type pokemon, there is no point to having ice type as a defensive.
>Should of replaced Freeze with the Frostbite status they brought in for Legends.
No they shouldn't have. The two games have completely different design philosophies in terms of how they handle stats.
>While they're at it; stop making more defensive ice type pokemon
Why?
they're at it; stop making more defensive ice type pokemon
>Why?
Because Ice sucks at defense. Having 4 weaknesses and only 1 resistance just doesn't work for a defensive pokemon.
If they want to make ice a defensive typing they really need to give it more resistances. Or less weaknesses.
Please tell us more about how type matchups are the only mechanic in the game.
>*clicks Flamethrower*
>misses because of snow cloak
Oops!
>10% of the time
Very nice and reliable mechanic. lol. Meanwhile
>*clicks Flamethrower again*
>AIIIEEEEE! I'M MELTING!
100% accurate btw
>b-b-buht muh fr-freeze!
>*clicks Flamethrower*
lol lmao
>does half damage because of Aurora Veil
oops!
>just let me set up Snow, Aurara Veil and then switch into a pojemon with Snow Cloak
>*clicks Flamethrower while your setting up Snow*
>AIIIEEEEE! I'M MELTING!
>set up snow and aurora veil in one turn
>flamethrower only does half damage
oops!
>just let me use two attacks in a row then you'll see how good my Ice-types are!
no
>*clicks Flamethrower*
>AIIIEEEEE! I'M MELTING!
>just let me use two attacks in a row
I don’t need two attacks in a row.
>does half damage because of aurora veil
Oops!
>bro just let me start the game with Snow and Aurora Veil active
I hope you're starting to see why Ice sucks.
Ice is a Defensive thing. It's brittle but hard at the same time, just like the type. It works well.
The fact they gave most water type ice attacks was a mistake, and the fact there is no icy terrain that slows down non ice types.is also weak. I would also make snow weather work as gravity for flying types.
Freezing should be like burning but for special attackers.
Halves their SpA damages and deals damage every turn.
>dude there should be a special version of everything lmao
moron take
>one thing that makes freeze a viable status condition
>everything
“Viable status condition” doesn’t actually mean anything.
>heh...Water and Poison resist Ice and Fairy so I have the advanta-ACK NOOOOOOOO MY TYPE MATCHUPS WERE SUPPOSED TO WIN ME THE GAME
>bro just don't use Flamethrower, let me set up Snow and Auroraveil and my Ice-types are so good
no
>*clicks Flamethrower*
>AIIIEEEEE! I'M MELTING!