When did this series’ reputation go from celebration of nintendo and its history to a video game hall of fame? Seems like people now think any new nintendo character would be scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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>Seems like people now think any new nintendo character would be scraping the bottom of the barrel.
It is.
yeah I mean they added pretty much most of the important nintendo characters by now, there really isn't that many characters left that smash hasn't used
theres arguably no good 3rd Parties left, 2B and Doomguy are moronic ideas and you know it
>2B and Doomguy are moronic ideas and you know it
Doomguy is a moronic idea, but 2B is the best character they could add. We don't need more westshit in Smash.
I hope they add more westshit
Doomguy definitely doesn't fit in at all(not saying is impossible) he is better for a game like Mortal Kombat to keep things that makes Doom, Doom, I know theres Bayonetta that was toned down but is not the same, he action isn't based on brutality
as for 2B, I feel she is too much of a serious character, but I know we already had those kinds but meh I don't want more, and Nier Automata did have plenty of slapstick moments
>theres arguably no good 3rd Parties left
Scorpion/Sub-Zero/both. Lara Croft. Eggman. Earthworm Jim. Crash Bandicoot. Chun-Li. Morrigan. Doomguy. Master Chief. Pyramid Head. Nemesis. Geno. Freddy Fazbear. Bomberman. Dig Dug. Peter Pepper. Centipede. Bub and Bob. No, I don't care how likely any of them are, that "Japan doesn't like them" or they're "too inappropriate" or "too obscure" or whatever, frick you, put them in.
>Scorpion/Sub-Zero/both.
sure this ones good, even if they censor them, the beautiful part is that it would be the point, given the controversial history of the SNES MK being censored like replacing blood with sweat, it would be kino if thats an effect for them
> Lara Croft.
I get it but nah
>Eggman.
Hell yeah
>Earthworm Jim.
sure
>Crash Bandicoot.
Yes
> Chun-Li. Morrigan.
Enough SF already, I get that Morrigan has some crossover history but a nah from me
> Doomguy. Master Chief.
Hell no, I get that for a "hall of fame" ofc you would like an FPS guy but neither are really a good fit, thats not to say we don't already have shit that gives the game a tone shift, still better than Joker, but I digress
>Pyramid Head. Nemesis.
Sure for Nemesis, Boss Material but he can be both, we already have Bowser being both technically
>Geno.
uh, he is literally from a Mario game
>Freddy Fazbear.
what is wrong with you
>Bomberman.
Hell Yes
>Dig Dug.
idk why he isn't atleast an AT at this point
>Peter Pepper.
had to look up who this is, actually like the quirky idea of retrogayging with a 3rd party although would be kinda shitty to get one before a ninty retro but fine if is like eye for an eye or whatever
>Centipede. Bub and Bob.
I get it but no, sure for Bub
>I get it but nah
If Bayo can be in, then Lara can be in.
>Enough SF already
Honestly, I'd be fine if they replaced Ken with Chun-Li and just made Ken a Ryu skin.
>neither are really a good fit
I dunno, Doom is kinda cartoonish and over the top with its violence and gore. I think Doomguy could fit into Smash fairly easily.
>uh, he is literally from a Mario game
Legally he's a Square Enix character, though.
>what is wrong with you
FNAF is going on strong after nearly ten years and like a dozen games and it's getting a movie this year, plus it helped create a whole subgenre of horror games. Like it or not, Freddy is a gaming icon.
>ninty retro
Aren't there already a good amount of Nintendo retro characters in Smash? Ice Climbers, Pit, Duck Hunt, Mr. Game & Watch...
MK isn't even allowed in Japan, also WB.
I feel like with this mentality, captain falcon, jigglypuff, ness, ice climbers, rob, duck hunt dog, lucas, falco, wolf, dedede, meta knight, king k rool, and many others would have never been introduced as fighters as they too were “bottom of the barrel”. There are tons of characters, old and new, who could be added
for real, is like they are gaslighting themselves into thinking this, like Mario Kart guys are gaslit into thinking it needs a gimmick to warrant a sequel
Most of those characters actually were relevant when they were added, though. And someone like K. Rool got on by just because he was THAT requested on the ballot, same thing with Banjo.
>Most of those characters actually were relevant when they were added, though.
And the same would go for a lot nintendo characters who weren’t added in, so the only real difference between a bottom of the barrel character and a “good” character in this case is that the “good” character is already in the game
>And someone like K. Rool got on by just because he was THAT requested on the ballot
Seems like there are still some heavily requested picks
>dedede
>meta knight
>bottom of the barrel
They are on the boxart of the latest million seller Kirby game
I think thats the point, the hall of fame gays would say they are bottom of the barrel if they haven't been added yet
That’s exactly my point, yes
And yet a goomba or paratrooper would be a more honorable pick than yet another fricking FE character.
FE character suck because they're mostly shill picks and are clones. The franchise would be better if it was fan favorites with unique weapons and moves instead of 10 Marths.
yeah same for Pokemon although is not as bad, granted their picks usually age better like how Lucario and Greninja have way more lasting impact than the likes of Robin and Corrin, now Inceneroar and Byleth are currently gambles, it seems like currently Inceneroar is flopping while Byleth is taking off though still not as popular as the 3 houses lords
Corrin and Byleth were both HIGHLY requested characters in Smash 4 and Ultimate in Japan. They ARE fan favorites, but you can't get into your pea-sized brain that a Japan studio would pick characters that people from Japan like.
not true
I remember both byleth and corrin trailer were ratio hard by even the japs back when YT dislikes were visible(everywhere)
I could have sworn Corrin was picked because he was popular in the japanese ballot, but looking into it, I think I was wrong about that.
Byleth was definitely popular though. It was not uncommon to see them as the highest first party character in japanese pools
>Arle
>Raiden
Somewhat based Japan
>lloyd
Seems fricking legit bro
Incredible people still fall for this shit
I seriously thought this video would change the discourse of rostergayging for the better so that rostergays would no longer post misinformation and shit, but as years went by and nothing changed (if anything, it got worse), I came to realize that rostergayging is really just a bunch of morons roleplaying and campaigning for their characters with as much misinformation as possible. Basically videogame elections or some shit.
yeah
>gundam
too big
It's surprising that yokai watch wasn't in either WiiU nor switch not even as spirit
I still don't understand why Ultimate was so heavy on the Monster Hunter stuff, what with Rathalos being a boss and all, and the Hunter him/her/themself wasn't added to the roster.
The Monster Hunter devs themselves are against the Hunters being in. They want the focus to be on the monsters.
Well that's weird/dumb. The series is called Monster Hunter, not Monster.
Each weapon is complex enough to be its own character in a fighting game. Also that Logic is just plain moronic.
>They want the focus to be on the monsters.
And this is good. Frick your blank slate CaC self-inserts, those are some of the worst characters to use in any game like Smash.
Exactly
>The Monster Hunter devs themselves are against the Hunters being in
Compromise.
So how much FE is too much for you. 20? 40? After all, they are HIGHLY requested by a small % of the market audience.
AS long as they are fun I don't care. The FE characters are some of the most consistently fun characters in the game
>The FE characters are some of the most consistently fun characters in the game
>grab
>throw
>swing my sword f-air
>swing my sword f-air
>swing my sword u-air
>throw out swing my sword u-air until it hits or they land
>repeat
very fun yes mhm
You basically just described smash in general. Just replace "sword" with weapon/fist and that's most of the roster, minus projectile spammers
at least characters from other games look cool or are making a reference while doing it.
Do you even like Smash throws and aerials is like 99% of the game
Or is it FE's fault you can't land Warlock punch?
I love smash. It's not so much the grabbing and aerials as much as it is copypasted grabs and aerials. Uninteresting normals that are almost exactly the same across every character from that one franchise. Corrin and Byleth are the only real exceptions, and that's because they're the newest ones.
>The FE characters are some of the most consistently fun characters in the game
Byleth was planned to be in Ultimate since the very beginning. He may had fans but those "requests" meant nothing in the end.
https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-the-creation-of-byleth-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate/
Yeah I want an axe wielder already gdi
FE is Nintendo
Return to reddit.
Zelda def needs more characters tho
There is not a ton of choices for what is considered a "not bottom of the barrel" pick.
Your realistic choices for a Nintendo character are:
1: A historic Nintendo character that existed for over 10 years and who is the main character
2: A new Xenoblade, FIRE EMBLEM or Pokemon character from the latest entry
3: A character from an already represented series, a secondary character or tertiary character.
4: A retro character that will most likely never be relevant again but only appears for its History with Nintendo
5: A new Nintendo series' main character which is also successful
1 has no longer any character fitting that criteria
2 mandatory at least for Pokemon and Fire Emblem.
3 is where most scraping comes from. Bandana Dee, Waluigi, Toad and Geno belong there.
4 I legit only see Balloon Fighter at this point
5 Has no one. ARMS got in by God knows what miracle, but since then there hasn't been any major new franchise as far as I know?
People's issues is that what they consider scraping the bottom of the barrel is simply adding characters made after 2010.
See
My point is that Jigglypuff, Sheik, ROB etc... At least managed to sneak in with other, major characters wanted and iconic like;
Ganondorf, Zelda and Bowser for Sheik;
Mario, Link and Pikachu for Jigglypuff;
Wario, Red, DeDeDe and Meta Knight for ROB.
If all of the picks in one game were just an army of jigglypuff people wouldn't (rightfully) be as interested.
In fact so far I don't think any game fricked up too hard with their Nintendo picks, we always had a good mix of "expected, popular, reasonnable" characters and "unorthodox" picks. In fact Piranha Plant as a concept is geniuis. But would it have been received as well if we didn't get Ridley, K. Rool and Inkling?
My issue is that I'm not sure you have anyone left at this point that can carry as much weight from Nintendo, we don't have new series, the most requested characters (Ridley, K.Rool, and Banjo for the fun of it) are in.
I am satisfied with the roster already, have been since Brawl. However, as far as Nintendo "expected picks" go, I think we reached a wall.
might be correct and Ring Fit will get a new rep, but man, will need something massive to support. Or did we reach a point where Waluigi is now the first in line, unironically?
What I'm worried about is if there are cuts, who could you realistically cuts without infuriating most people?
Dark Pit
Half of the Fire Emblem characters
Incineroar
Young Link
People will still be pissed but they are the least troublesome characters to remove.
>who could you realistically cuts without infuriating most people?
Dr. Mario, Pichu and Young Link are characters most people expect to be retired again at some point.
Zero Suit Samus could be sacrificed for a normal Samus rework and I'd imagine not too many people would complain in that scenario.
Corrin getting removed would probably be the one removal that would actively be celebrated.
I'd imagine most people would be fine with Roy and Chrom getting removed as well if it reins in the FE bloat.
Incineroar hasn't seemed to take off in general popularity like Greninja did, it'd suck a bit to remove the only wrestler on the roster but I imagine not too many people would cry about his exclusion.
Piranha Plant did not stick to people like the previous "gag" characters did (G&W, ROB, Duck Hunt), and I imagine most of it has to do with being an unorthodox choice from a series that already has a lot of other fighters. I don't think most people would be upset if Plant was gone next time.
Sora's a weird middle ground, there's a lot of people that enjoy his inclusion, but many people have accepted that he might not appear again. On the other hand, a lot of people felt the same way about Cloud and look at where we are now.
So overall I'd say that's about 9-10 characters that could be removed without major backlash. Considering previous games had an average of 5-6 characters not returning for the next installment, I'd say a cut quantity around the 9-12 range would be par for the course here, assuming that guest companies all play nice with Nintendo again.
I wouldn't mind if Inceneroar roars functions were given to the RH Wrestler, everyone loves that guy, also it would be funny and cool if Black Shadow ends up taking Inceneroar's moveset(for the most part) rather than Ganondorf(but I still want Ganondorf to get a rework anyways)
>I'd imagine most people would be fine with Roy and Chrom getting removed
Keep Roy. He and Marth were the ones that brought Fire Emblem to Smash Bros. If we're getting rid of a Marth clone, then get rid of Lucina.
NTA but I feel like having Roy as DLC again would make sense, he’s not a series mainstay, but still has legacy and popularity, and it would keep the base roster from being bloated. The base roster only needs Marth, Ike, Robin (Lucina can be a Marth skin, Chrom would be a lazy mix of Marth and Ike), and Byleth/Alear/the newest protagonist.
>Dr. Mario (literally an alternate costume of Mario)
>Pichu (joke character and clone that nobody missed after getting cut)
>Young Link (TLink already fills the Link clone niche, was cut in favor of him for Brawl)
>Dark Pit (literal clone that can easily be an alt skin)
>Wii Fit Trainer (joke character that nobody cares for, can easily be replaced with Ring Fit Trainee)
>Corrin (immediately garnered hate when added, games were received negatively, literally FotM shill DLC for a game that wasn’t even released yet)
Piranha Plant (obvious joke character that literally nobody asked for)
I want to argue with you over Piranha Plant so much, but I know its the right thing to do to eventually cut his ass
Yeah, a generic Piranha Plant was the last character people expected to be added as a new character in Smash, it felt like Sakurai deliberately scraped the bottom of the barrel of Nintendo characters when he didn’t need to, just to spite people that were asking for other notable 1st party characters (Dixie, Toad/Captain Toad, a new Zelda character, Ashley, Bandana Dee, etc.)
Plant got in for being one of the few notable things with literally 0 votes, there could been that one guy voting for Piantissimo from Mario Sunshine
What if they replaced the plant with Petey?
He was already a boss in Brawl.
And why is that a problem that lesser characters would be chosen? 'hype' isn't needed, longevity is needed. I'm all for them digging into lesser and obscure characters. I don't need or want a 'wow' factor with Smash anymore.
>hype' isn't needed, longevity is needed
none of the Nintendo characters suggested are up for longetivity lol
>
Just because you’re content doesn’t mean others are, to me, something like k rool is a completely boring pick, a donkey kong villain who hasn’t been in the mainline series for years. There are still tons of requested characters who have yet to be in so I think the bottom of the barrel is really just subjective
>However, as far as Nintendo "expected picks" go, I think we reached a wall.
The last characters I think could be genuinely "liked" from Nintendo are Waluigi, Dixie Kong and Toad. Which is sad that they all come from Mario, but it's something. But I understand why people can see them as shit picks as they basically are sidekicks of sidekicks.
We are probably not getting aother game with grandiose picks though so we will have to deal with the leftovers at some point cept if there are cuts
To be fair, we’ve been dealing with leftovers like k rool, ridley, banjo, duck hunt dog, rosalina, bowser jr, miis, isabelle, and more for sometime now
When the most popular characters are now Geno, Isaac and Waluigi you know you really don't want anything else lol
>Or did we reach a point where Waluigi is now the first in line, unironically?
I feel like we started going downhill since the Wii U era.
Animal Crossing finally had a character but they gave us fricking Wii Fit Trainer, though they redeemed themselves later on with nice picks like Bowser Jr., the dog and Little Mac.
But then they started going all out with Fire Emblem and third parties, which kinda confirmed that they don't really see many cool characters to pick from Nintendo anymore. Hell, you saw what the Ballot results were, the most popular characters were third-parties, except K. Rool and Ridley. There is no one left from the N house that's really wanted except by rosterhomosexuals from smashb*ards.
>you saw what the Ballot results were
no, we never seen the actual data
only thing we know for sure from the ballot is that K. Rool, Banjo and Sora were at the top, and that Alucard scored higher than even Simon
though most fan polls did seem to confirm that people mostly wanted third party characters, not surprising again because we have no viable Nintendo characters left
>Or did we reach a point where Waluigi is now the first in line, unironically?
yep
It'll be worse when we will inevitably end up with characters removed.
Imagine if Rosalina is gone but Waluigi is added, big shitstorm.
Or if Dixie is added but K. Rool gone. Another shitstorm.
>Imagine if Rosalina is gone but Waluigi is added, big shitstorm.
well is like that for a lot of Mario spinoffs
>but since then there hasn't been any major new franchise as far as I know?
Ring Fit, but they could probably just incorporate the pilates ring into Wii Fit's moveset.
Minecraft Steve got in.
That is when gaming died.
They deserve it.
Steve took Crash Bandicoot spot.
My thoughts exactly, that shit was such a meme beforehand.
Solidified the feeling in me that they were just putting anyone in at the end.
the toneshift started with Ryu and Cloud, but is still primarily a Nintendo All-Star game in premise, it just has a lot more guest characters now
It imported a ton of 3rd party peasants turning Smash discussion into rosterhomosexualry shit. There is still some of that when it is discussing Nintendo only characters, but it got cranked up to 11 when there was no gatekeeping.
heres the thing for me, people say guests/3rd parties are better because "bigger, more expansive" or whatever yet I always see just the same 5 guys suggested all the time being Dante, Doomguy, Crash, 2B, Eggman, while classical rostergayging prior to "hall of fame" had way more variety and thought in picks in the Brawl and Kerfuffle days
same with Mario Kart, people say they want a "smash kart" but in reality they really just want a handful of more guest characters being also the same 5 racers being, Fox, Kirby, Captain Falcon, Samus and Pikachu.
this tbh. it obviously started with brawl and was a slow escalation with 4, but really 4's dlc with ryu and cloud made it happen, especially with the fighters ballot at the time. ultimate just went balls deep in solidifying it as a hall of fame for video games.
funny thing, it died down before the fighter pass, then relapsed hard with Joker being the first guy in the fighter pass
before that people mainly asked for Nintendo guys as the grinch leak is mainly a wishlist of popular picks at the time, now if there was a grinch leak today it would look like
>2B,Chosen Undead, Trevor from GTA, Master Chief, Doomguy, Scorpion, Dante
If only we got the grinch roster. Smash would've been perfect. Now we're stuck in this shitty anime cesspit circle jerking over 3rd party reps.
Gotta love the contrarianism on Ganker
>video game hall of fame
ultimate was when the floodgates opened and it's because of nintendo japan, you can tell sakurai didnt want to put steve in and banjo/ridley/krool were mistakes, never listen to fans
smash4 had modest 3rd party reps, about 1 or 2 per major studio, this is the peak of smash and they even removed snake who should never have gotten into smash, only for it to be undone in ultimate
cloud deserves to be in, the feud began in 1998
>Forgets who started all this in Brawl.
2 guest characters out of like 18 newcomers is not a toneshift at all
compared to 4 DLCs with Corrin being the only nintendo guy out of 4(well at this point Bayonetta might as well be a Nintendo character)
now with Ultimate is like 12 out of 16 that are 3rd parties in newcomers
Sonic isn't a guest but yeah
Brawl when rostergays flooded the fanbase and everyone forgot this series used to be about good intuitive gameplay
Meleegays seething
Your game sucks and is dead now. Only smelly troons and pedos play and watch your dead game now.
hahahahahaha whiny homosexual look at the homosexual
With Brawl.
People completely forget that game plays like total ass just because Sonic got in the game and has "epic" cutscenes.
not really but Brawl did have the seed for if with all the hypewanking with Sonic and Snake
everyone was disappointed by brawl when it came out
it's so fricking floaty compared to melee
Dino is a manchild.
Next time.
goku if he bt4
I'd rather see a new Jump Stars sequel first. Specifically Jump Stars, none of that arena fighter stuff.
What about jump stars x smash?
I want Toad. I think he's got a pretty good chance since the Mario movie.
I miss Toadsworth
Still surprised he isn’t in
If the new mario character ends up being fricking toad and it has a moveset based off of the fricking movie then I will be 100% sure that they just don’t give a frick anymore.
can a get a qrd on what he does there? never seen it
He wields a frying pan (and uses it to actually cook at one point) and a walking stick, he drives a souped up 4x4, and... He hands Peach a bouquet with an Ice Flower hidden inside of it? I think that's about it.
If it were up to me, I'd do a combination of Mario 2, Wario's Woods, Captain Toad, NSMB, Mario Maker, and Mario 3D World. Just anything I can incorporate that's Toad-specific and hasn't been included in Mario/Luigi/Peach.
sounds good, my gripe with most fan kit ideas for newcomers is how a lot seem to just want to reference spinoffs rather than make it seem like is what Toad/Waluigi/Daisy would do
started with smash 4 dlc, then became a full thing in ultimate.
i think sakurai said all smash bros going forward will be returning to its grassroots thankfully and not be doing the third party nonsense.
i just hope they still keep my main.
>smash 4 dlc
3rd party
>Bayo, Ryu, Cloud
>Bayo has become a pseudo-Nintendo series, Ryu is the mascot of Street Fighter, another 2D game, Cloud gives Squenix one rep
Returning fighters
>Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy
Dumb that we had to pay for them, but whatever
New Nintendo rep
>Corrin, just here to promote the new game, just like Roy in Melee
I don't see that as going wildly downhill yet.
Smash 4 still had trophies, Event matches, masterpieces, Smash Run was a passable follow-up to Subspace Emissary allowing characters to fight enemies from each others' series, and custom moves were fun (but stupid to unlock).
>Smash 4 still had trophies
The moment Sakurai actually told us in one ofhis directs that for Ultimate trophies were "SOOOOO HARD TO MAKE" that they opted for jpgs of already created art, smash was dead to me.
yet melee in 2years of dev time had trophies of characters that never existed in 3d
And meanwhile Mew has been rendered completely fricking useless because he no longer drops trophies or music tracks and for some reason stickers don't drop and so all he does is just say "Mew" and bounce.
yeah they pretty much just said, frick it
speaking collectiables, I would love if Trophies were given ability to be assets for stage builder that would be amazing
stickers can frick off, the way smash 4 handled stats was fine although annoying as hell to unlock, anyways there is no need to have different versions of the same badges with stickers,spirits whatever,
I don't understand the mindset of rostergays. You can take nearly any character and get a potentially cool moveset with the right amount of creativity. Oh wait, they don't actually play Smash.
is gotten to the point where I miss criteriagayging in classical rostergayging since it is related to gameplay in some instances like picking someone based on what new archetype they offer, like Krystal based on her staff gameplay off of Dinosaur Planet and Lloyd Irving dualwielding, not a fan of them particularly but I get it
It's a crossover game, people don't care about movesets, they care about being able to play as their favorite characters. People will even deal with shitty movesets like Sephiroth as long as they're playing a character they think is cool and no one cares about a moveset being fun or unique if its stuck to some lame shit they don't like. Character aesthetic is just as important as the moveset.
people used to based their picks on gameplay criteria before hall of fame gayging
but I agree nevertheless, character always matters more than function, I don't care that the likes of Robin and Corrin have their own movesets, they are expendable since they are irrelevant characters
Under your logic no one would play Falcon, but he's one of the most widely played characters in Smash because of his flashy moveset. Why not just get rid of movesets all-together and just make this a game where everyone plays exactly the same since all that matters is a character's notoriety.
>Why not just get rid of movesets all-together and just make this a game where everyone plays exactly the same since all that matters is a character's notoriety.
boy, do i have the game for you!
You joke but this is one of the most popular FGs out right now.
>Seems like people now think any new nintendo character would be scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Because they would be. Only characters left now are characters from new franchises, characters from dead C or D-list franchises like Isaac or Takamaru or C-list characters from current franchises like fricking Piranha Plant. People b***h about DLC being centered around third party characters but it's like that because it's more exciting than anything Nintendo has left in their backlog.
Smash 4 felt like that's when the shift fully happened, but there were always people like that or should we post some old Smash roster list that look like a MUGEN CSS?
Does this paint a good landscape of what the "first party newcomers" situation looks like post-Ultimate?
AW fits both although still weak on both ends as much as I would love Andy or Sami
I really hate the "relevancy" argument. Smash bros doesn't need to be a $60 ad for current games.
>billionth marth clone
>new starter pokemon
>shitty xenoblade coombait
>replace x character with y character because they can use x characters moves
If it has to be an ad, wouldn’t it be better to be an ad for lesser known series, anyways
Yeah, we need more FE representation anyhow. Specifically their mobile representation.
Impa is comfortably popular
not putting Geno under "popular request" is dishonest regardless of what you think about him, and this will only become more true with the SMRPG remake
>waluigi
>popular
>relevant
have a nice day
he is though, he still floods the MK8 lobbies even after his nerfs
Yes? Just because you dislike him doesn't mean that he isn't objectively a well-known, well-liked and recurring video game character.
waluigi redditors direly need the rope
>Sakurai claims during Ultimate's development "Smash brothers is now about the celebration of the history of video games"
>Vibe with this
>DLCs start coming out, get back to back to back bullshit awful JRPG trash that make them hella money
what did they mean by this?
xenocoom
i'm more referring to the fact square has 3 reps in the game, two of which are from the same fricking FF game. But xenocoom is awful too.
>two of which are from the same fricking FF game
Zoomer please. If there are any JPRG characters that deserve to be the "celebration of the history of video games" it would be Cloud and Sephiroth. Final Fantasy 7 is a pop culture juggernaut that popularized the genre in the west. FF 7 is the FF game and probably THE jrpg. It was blowing people's mind's back in the day.
That being said xenoblade, persona and the FE (they can keep 1) shit needs to go.
Shut up homosexual FF7 is trash
If megaten were to get a true rep it should get the pokemon treatment where its rep should be a demon. Jack Frost(pic related as an alt) , Pixie, Cerberus and Loki are all good pics for megaten.
I remember I used to want Jack Frost to replace ice climbers as an ice user to fill in for their empty spot in a way
Nah keep both we gotta keep the roster cool
Speaking of which, why didn't Sakurai just add an SMT protagonist over Joker?
because Smash is his action figures and he likes Joker more, apparently with his wife basing the menu off of Persona 5 style
Something something hackurai. Demi-fiend would've worked better, fricking Jack Frost would've worked better, they have full movesets of their own.
Ultimate released as all of Japan still couldn't get enough of guzzling all of P5's cum.
We could be here all day picking far more appropriate mascots for SMT than Chairy Potter.
Xenoblade and FE are first party, of course they have multiple reps
>If there are any JPRG characters that deserve to be the "celebration of the history of video games" it would be Cloud and Sephiroth
lmao
>the FE (they can keep 1)
I wouldn't mind Fire Emblem having so many characters if they were at least fricking different. Having looked into the series, there are characters that use all sorts of weapons - Axes, lances, exclusively magic (as opposed to Robin's "magic and a sword")... Why couldn't we have gotten any of those characters in Smash?
Because each game has a completely new cast they add the main character who almost always uses a sword. Smash generally doesn't add second bananas before main character/posterchild.
I'm mid 30's. Sephiroth was extraneous as frick. Cloud was enough.
FF7 is one of the most famous games ever and Sephiroth is one of the biggest viyda villains ever, and having more villains in Smash is always a good thing.
is funny how they managed to piss off both Nintendo purists and 3rd-party hall of fame goons
>terrible in expanding the Nintendoverse in the roster with shit that belongs in a playstation game more than anything
>just as bad as a representation of vidya as a whole is with the lack of genre other than fightan and jrpgs
some would say "b-but they actually mean't hall of fame in japanese games" which would still be bullshit since you don't see like 10 jrpg anime sword twinks in capcom crossover fighters
>b-but they actually mean't hall of fame in japanese games
I agree with you that this is a bullshit excuse, because in that case where the hell are the characters from SHMUPs and Vs. Puzzle games? Last time I checked, these two genres are sucked off a lot by long-time Japanese gamers almost as much as RPGs
yeah, you cannot be a japanese vidya hall of fame without Gradius in any way, come on
I've been pushing somewhat for Tako (and the rest of the Parodius octopi) as fighters as of late, he'd be the first "waddling head" fighter archetype in a while and it'd be easier to animate him as a fighter that uses Gradius series weaponry than the Vic Viper itself. Not to mention that Parodius not only homages its parent Gradius series a lot, but a bunch of other Konami franchises as well, so Tako getting in would potentially allow for some content from games like TwinBee, Xexex, Goemon, Tokimeki Memorial, Axelay, Lethal Enforcers etc. alongside the mainline Gradius and Salamander titles.
>no shooter rep with space harrier
>no vn rep with ruriko
>no rhythm game rep with miku or bemani
>no puzzle rep with taisen puzzle-dama or puyo puyo
>no non-pacman namco rep with reiji and xiaomu or klonoa
>>>>no 2hu
ffs visual novels get fighter spin offs all the fricking time so they have more than enough of a moveset to work with. i love jrpgs but now im actually getting pissed thinking of how shafted weebs and otaku get in terms of actual japanese game representation
>no non-pacman namco rep with reiji and xiaomu or klonoa
theres Kazuya but yeah he doesn't help with the lack of genre variety
>Hero
>bullshit JRPG trash
Frick off. Joker was terrible, but you cannot deny the massive impact the Dragon Quest series had on gaming.
Hero can stay but Joker's gotta be replaced by a proper SMT rep, we can cut like 3+ FE reps, and replace cloud or sephiroth with a not dogshit FF rep.
xenocoom gotta go
sora gotta go
I am fine with killing joker.
Reduce the Marth family down to just Marth and I'm ok with that too.
Don't care about FF, and I doubt we'll see a SE rep in the base roster this time around anyway.
Xenoblade is first party. Shulk and Pyra/Mythra are fine.
wot, I never dissed Hero(second poster) infact I think he is great and baring into "Honorary Nintendo" territory with Dragon Quest being a hugely influential RPG in the NES/SNES, more precisely Erdick
shit like Joker, Cloud Sephiroth and Sora is gay as hell though
Yeah, guess I misunderstood your post. It was more for the first poster anyway.
Interestingly, Nintendo of America was even the original owner of the Dragon Warrior trademark when they first helped Enix bring it to the west. Don't think they own it anymore though.
Smash Bros. isn't ever going to be anything resembling a video game hall of fame when franchises like Doom, Fallout, and Assassin's Creed are turned into Mii Outfits for $0.99 but Fire Emblem Fates as a standalone video game is considered on par with the entire Sonic the Hedgehog, Minecraft, or Tekken series
Looking at it as anything other than "party fighting game that consists of character Masahiro Sakurai and Nintendo executives like" is setting yourself up for disappointment but Smash Bros. is at a point where the speculation / hype culture around it is basically sold as half of the experience
Once they revealed Sephiroth, combined with the base game's additions of Ridley and K. Rool, plus Piranha Plant, I was really hoping Dr. Robotnik was going to join the roster. Alas... Why the frick did Street Fighter and Final Fantasy get new characters while Sonic's been all alone since Brawl??
Sonic has no following in Japan, Sakurai really was throwing us Westerners a bone by including him in Brawl. Since Sonic has been grand fathered from Brawl, he's always been there but hasn't got much attention outside of shilling that Lost Worlds Green Hill Zone stage in Smash 4 and Kunckles in Ulimate. I genuinely can't think of a Japanese computer game franchise from Japan that is super popular almost world wide, apart from Japan funnily enough. Like look at all the other Sonic media, his feature films, comics and most of the cartoons are American
Sakurai is openly biased toward certain franchises in the game.
>When did this series’ reputation go from celebration of nintendo and its history to a video game hall of fame?
When Sakurai Himself said that's what he wanted it to be. I don't know what else you're looking for here.
It's because hypebawds care more about who gets in than the actual game. It was so cool in melee seeing game & watch unlocked as a character and you are wondering who the frick this is. There are plenty of characters who could serve that role. Now only "deserving" characters are allowed to be in. Frick Nintendo and frick the modern fanbase.
Eh, even though he was already fairly unknown by the GameCube era, Game & Watch was very deserving of the spot. G&W was Nintendo's first every handheld and they sold 43 million units of them. That's way more games than many of Nintendo's franchise in smash.
Sure, but I could easily say Ness or some others too. By no metric did Ness deserve to be in smash bros back in melee, but he was a great addition. The point still stands that there were serious unknowns in the roster back in the day.
I think Ness first got in because of Hal Labs, whom worked on Earthbound
>did Ness deserve to be in smash bros back in melee
Ness was added in smash 64 moron, back when Earthbound was Nintendo's main JRPG franchise besides pokemon.
>Nintendo's main JRPG franchise
lmao
Nah it was the only first party jrpg series. Mother 3 was going to be on Nintendo 64 but got stuck in development hell causing the series director to stop working on games.
Yeah, but the statement implies that Nintendo put any real support behind it, which is untrue. That is unless you are suggesting that just because it was the only Nintendo franchise in X genre it deserves to be in, which is even more ridiculous.
No, my point is that Earthbound wasn't a total "literal who" franchise at the time. You have to keep in mind It was more popular in Japan too, so it was probably seen as far less obscure there too.
It absolutely was a literal who franchise. Being the only game in X genre ("besides Pokemon" lmao) doesn't mean it wasn't a literally who game. With this logic, we could really justify any character Nintendo puts in. I could just as well say that Issac was the flagship JRPG character of the GBA era...besides Pokemon and that he deserves to be in. Issac is a literal who though to me and most people.
actually Golden Sun was pretty successful for the GBA although Dark Dawn flopped, unfortunately Advance Wars also had the same fate though not as popular as Golden Sun
So probably more deserving than Ness at the time ironically, and he still didn't get in and is a literal who to most.
I agree, is a miracle Mother has 2 characters, Ness got there because of Hal Labs who worked on Earthbound and made Smash 64
Just because YOU didn't play the game doesn't mean they weren't decently well known. Especially for japan. you'd be much better arguing this with characters like ice climbers or pit.
Ice Climber and Kid Icarus were black box NES games. They were at least known by NES kids. Earthbound was a dead franchise before it was retroactively brought into the spotlight 20 years later.
>before it was retroactively brought into the spotlight 20 years later.
Smash 64 came out 4 years after Earthbound, and years BEFORE Mother 3. What the hell are you smoking?
We are talking about the franchise. Yeah, Ness was the literal who character that smash kids played. But no one really knew about Earthbound except that it was the game that smash character was in. It wasn't until the Web 2.0 era where Earthbound became more well known in the mainstream, especially now that every indie RPG apes it.
How many times do I have to tell you? the Earthbound/Mother franchise was much more popular in Japan, where smash was made. Just because people in the west didn't know who it was, it doesn't mean that no one did. same thing as FE in melee. They were literal who's in the west, but not all that surprising once you see their history with Nintendo in japan. You homosexuals are incapable of seeing the world outside of your own personal box
not true, the Mother series combined sold a grand total of 2 Million, is still in niche territory
2 million for a franchise with only 3 games, 2 of which were Japanese exclusive, is not bad at all. I'm not saying the games are huge, I'm just saying the character didn't come out of bumfrick nowhere in Japan.
those numbers are mogged by Golden Sun which has about the same amount of games
And? I've always wanted Isaac. He literally been my most wanted for ages.
thats fair, I agree that if you're fine with Ness theres no reason to think Isaac isn't popular enough
but that is fair to say it didn't come out of nowhere, I still think is more to do with how Hal Labs chose Ness and Lucas
Remember, we're talking about Smash 64 here. Nintendo's catalog was a lot smaller at this time. Hell, how many other Nintendo franchises even had a sequel at this point (that wasn't already in smash)?
So barely surpassing Kid Icarus in 3 games, isn't bad? A game you admitted previously was an unknown?
The difference is that Pit hadn't had a game in 17 years. If pit was in smash 64 it probably would have made sense too, other than the fact that it had no SNES games like Earthbound did.
Well I guess my point then is that being an old character from a game that sold semi well is still more known than a literal who game that is currently ongoing.
The whole argument started because of your implication that we shouldn't expect literal who characters today in smash because all these old characters who we think were "literal whos" actually "deserved to be in" or were "well-known" for one reason or another. If only a small % of your market even knowing who the frick the character is makes it "deserved", then any bottom of the barrel Nintendo character can really be justified. The fact you went after black box nes games just shows that you have your own bias as to how this "deservedness" is distributed. Maybe Earthbound was beloved in Japan, but I assure you that in raw #s, because of the large size of the American market, more people knew who Pit was. Kid Icarus outsold Mega Man 2 btw and had triple the sales of Earthbound. So this idea that Ness was SO popular that he had to be in as a basis to establish precedence that smash never had literal who characters, is ridiculous.
I don't actually give a shit about how "deserved" a character is, and I openly welcome obscure characters. I just thought your examples were dumb.
Earthbound was still an alive franchise when Smash 64 launched. Ness's game was only 4 years old, and another was in development. When melee hit, ice climbers hadn't had a game 17 years, and when brawl hit, it had been 17 years since kid icarus: of myths and monsters. My point was that Ness was still part of Nintendo's "entourage" at the time the game released, unlike a lot of the obscure picks we would see in later days. Hell, even banjo and K Rool were far more "past their prime" when ultimate launched then Ness was when 4 launched.
I was also just pissed you said that ness was an unknown in melee when he was in Smash 64.
Ness still isn't a dumb example. It being popular in Japan doesn't mean it wasn't an extremely unknown franchise. That's a fact. The argument that it did that well "without America" doesn't mean anything. It is still a literal who game by pure #s.
>I was also just pissed you said that ness was an unknown in melee when he was in Smash 64.
That was a mistake on my part. I did know that, but I just rushed the comment out.
The disconnect here is I am talking about how "alive the franchise was at the time of release", not strictly sales numbers, which is why I said pit and ice climbers were better examples.
You know what, that's a fine enough point.
Just because YOU played the game, doesn't mean it was well known.
I didn't homosexual. I just don't live with my head in a box
The idea that Earthbound was well known at the time is just hardcore revisionism. IDK what else to tell you dude.
At the time it was. Name me another big Nintendo JRPG franchise besides pokemon in 1999
Zelda
Nazca fricking sucked.
Yes, but that guy was epic
What the FRICK is up with all the shit that happened to the MitM cast?
King K Rool and banjo were both way past their prime, and no one thought piranha plant "deserved" it. Ultimate has plenty of weird picks.
You guys are obssesed with XC2, that one it's the shittiest one, but we have 3 other games on the series that work well and they are not coomer bait. I will never understand what the frick were they thinking making XC2 a fricking gacha game.
1 and X are cool, I can't speak for 3 as 2 made me not give a shit about 3
you should give a chance to 3, I hated 2 but 3 is pretty good, also the dlc is even better somehow. The sidequests and the gameplay on general made 3 a really good game, it's only the story that starts slow, but then it works well until the end.
>point and click rep
>it’s a maniac mansion character that uses shit from other lucasarts games
It should be Guybrush, complete with insults as taunts
They could have saved this game if only they went with their original plans and added what the fans kept asking for.
what could have been..
Nikocado is old and busted, Leviathan God of Gluttony is the new fat ass grosskino hotness
zoomer picks
It should be kingassripper
shut the frick up it's all about BadlandsChugs you dumb bastard
braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaappppp
Cado would be a perfect fit for Ultimate.
Final Smash would be going behind the stage and presenting his coinslot and he expands to the size of the stage kinda like Jiggilypuffs FS.
He could play a lot like Wario.
Instead of a motorcycle he has the walmart rascal.
They can share the same down B instead of it being a the wario waft Nick yell's BRACE and lets out his shart.
Neutral B works too, Mukbang chomp.
That jap sakurai should hire me I know what the people want and more importantly, what they deserve.
kino
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79809487
1. Pyra/Mythra - 2776
5. Byleth - 1616
7. Min Min - 1349
55. Steve - 302
>jap poll from 2 years ago
Honestly, if the Ultimate DLC characters are the path forward for the franchise (either in how they play or the type of characters that will be added), I am probably going to stop getting the games.
When Snake and Sonic got included.
yeah, if you had no problem with likes of Ness and Lucas, you shouldn't b***h about the likes of Isaac and Andy
sure Earthbound now is influential for indies, but that came WAAAAY after Ness and Lucas were added
This game made dante a mii character
Based, DMCucks seething throughout the entire DLC speculation period was funny as frick
It was funny because I kept hearing them call most picks boring and trash, especially first and second party picks, so seeing them get fricked was kind of funny, especially since shantae, another character they made fun of, ended up getting better representation than them
>The mass DMCuck seething over Byleth because they deluded themselves into thinking an overpriced DMC3 port meant he was in
Fricking morons kek
I was thinking Arle was in because Puyo Puyo is a better series, what does that make me you FEc**t
Steve was the silent death for killing roster hype.
I was happy Ultimate have me Simon but I was disappointed by the lack of a wtf character like Wii Fit Trainer or an entirely retro rep like Ice Climbers
Plant is the gag character this time around and yeah, no actual retro picks, though is worth mentioning Terry is cool wild unpopular pick
Out of curiosity, what third parties would you take out and what first parties would you replace them with?
I'd take out Bayonetta and put in literally any first party character. No, Bayo is not a first party character.
Take out:
>bayonetta
>joker
Replace with:
>Master Chief
>Dragonborn
None, unless I could replace sonic with a sonic with a better moveset and pacman with a pacman with more pac man world representation in his moveset. Well, I guess I would replace sephiroth with a ff character from a game other than 7
lets see
Keep
>Sonic
>Megaman
>Simon
>Banjo(if possible)
>Pac-Man
>Hero
>Bayo(she might as well be Ninty guy at this point)
replace(mind you I do not hate most of these but they do feel like guests)
>Ryu with Karate Joe
>Joker with Officer Howard
>Snake with Andy
>Sephiroth with Andross
>Terry with Waluigi
>Kazuya with Raven Beak
>Cloud with Balloon Fighter
>Sora with Bandana Dee
>Steve with Excitebiker
I'd argue Sora falls under borderline since like Half of his games are/were Nintendo exclusive. Technically they still are if you count CoM and Re:CoM as separate games.
you're not wrong
Why do you have puff in mid when puff is a character in 64
for one, she was a last minute addition in Brawl being excluded in the SSE like Wolf and Toon Link, second I don't think she'll be cut but where she should be tbqh
Hm. I'd bump falcon, ness, and pit all down one. I'd also swap some of the FE characters around. Keep marth at top, put robin in high priority since he's the most unique Awakening rep, and I'd move down Ike a level. I'd probably lucina down too, since killing the Marth family would hopefully shut up a lot people mad about FE clones.
>excitebiker
Highly underrated. I still see boomers reminiscing over that game to this day. I never see boomers recalling fond memories Ice Climbers or Kid Icarus
yeah, I would love to have him move around on his bike like Wheelie Rider in Kirby Super Star with track edit style terraforming, bike stunts for aeries and an Excitebots robo arm for other attack
also a special animation for his shield break like trying to get back on his bike
Being honest, most of the third parties we have, there's a solid reason for. They're fun, memorable, generally nice. That said...
I want Joker out. Commendable amount of references to him aesthetically but gameplay-wise he's kind of boring as frick.
Sora feels a little pointless if you're not allowed to make use of the Disney part, so I think he's gotta go too.
Let's also give Pac-Man the boot. I just don't like characters whose moveset consists of pulling out [game object] and using it to do [game thing]. If you don't actually fight in your game(s) of origin and have to stoop this low to make a moveset, why bother? Smash 64 made shit up but it was all entirely in-character. Game & Watch was cute. EVERYONE beyond him was gratuitous at best. Frick 'em. Steve too. Hell, if first parties were on the chopping block, I'd ditch Villager and Isabelle. Really, what Nintendo needs is a crossover not centered on combat for characters like these to shine. Please don't replace Mario Kart with Nintendo Kart, though.
Anyway, that's four characters actually out, right? In their place, I'd want to see...
A new Splatoon rep, probably an Octoling with the same philosophy as Inkling but with a different set of weapons.
Pick one of Magolor, Susie Haltmann, and Marx to give Kirby some more representation. Probably Magolor for his repeat appearances or Marx for his staying power.
Another Xenoblade rep, just to frick with all the people who enter cardiac arrest as soon as they see """anime""".
And now that SMRPG is getting its remake, let's just say frick it and give Geno the goddamn slot. He's first party enough.
Don't agree with everything you said, but I also want joker out. he sticks out like a sore thumb. My DLC hype was dead at first when they announced him
>Sora feels a little pointless if you're not allowed to make use of the Disney part, so I think he's gotta go too.
I really think this is a problem only people without KH experience have. Sora IS Disney. Disney had to sign off on him because Square Enix doesn't own the rights to the character; the only person outside of Disney with any authority on the series is Nomura, and Nomura actually did an interview recently where he said the reason it took so long to get Sora in Smash was because he was being autistic about whether or not it should be canon; Disney signed off almost immediately when they were asked. Sora himself is so heavily steeped in Disney from his moveset to his clothing that adding in any more would honestly be extraneous.
That being said, the lack of music in his stage kinda sucked. There were a lot of good picks they skipped over.
Yeah, they even had him fly around like Peter Pan with fairy dust in the trailer
Pac-Man's too iconic and important to both gaming history and Nintendo history to get the boot, but he definitely needs a moveset overhaul.
They should have just based Pac-Man's moveset off the Pac-Man World games. Why was that so fricking hard?
Because Sakurai likely didn't play it. I was expecting a Pac-Man World moveset in Brawl and then here comes a walking arcade homage. The Ghost Gang should have been playable too, they're some of the most iconic characters in the world.
Third party to take out
>Ken
>Terry
>Kazuya
First party to replace them
>Skull Kid
>Midna and Wolf Link
>Waluigi
Why you hate fighting games
I just want Dillon to get a proper character spot, man. Nintendo did him so fricking dirty.
Sad his company is dead now, while unlikely, it’d be nice if hal continued vanpool’s work since they helped with hal’s stuff
>Sad his company is dead now
What? Vanpool is still
>shut down May 31 2023
one day laddie
>people now think any new nintendo character would be scraping the bottom of the barrel
They kind of would be. That, or they'd come with a huge set of complications.
>A Mario character added now would either be placid as hell or doomed to be a reference summoner
>Most Zelda characters that aren't already in are either not direct combatants or have not shown much of their combat abilities on screen- do you really want Girahim or one of the champions?
>Kirby has a ton of untapped characters, but most of them are oddly considered "equivalent"- adding Susie would generate tons of hate over a supposed "snubbing" of Magolor, Marx, etc., and adding them all would be a monumental undertaking
>Pokemon has a similar issue compounded further by the Pokeball item, deciding which Pokemon to elevate above that level is not to be taken lightly
>Fire Emblem is already hilariously lopsided, with one character getting an echo, an altered clone, and an echo of that altered clone- let's not make things any worse
>Splatoon could afford to provide a couple more characters, maybe an Octoling echo to Inkling that uses different weapons to achieve similar effects, maybe some specific character with a more distinct ability set
>Kid Icarus, Earthbound, DK, F-Zero, and etc. would all be hilariously late additions
I'm not sure if you can consider Xenoblade to be first party, and I know you can't consider Bayonetta.
>A Mario character added now would either be placid as hell or doomed to be a reference summoner
yeah I feel this way about about Toad(also seen many Waluigi fan movesets like this) he would be in already if he had a distinct style, but nothing wrong with being a semi clone, I feel that they could give Pauline the Rosalina treatment with Odyssey+a stage performer style like Rosalina is Galaxy+Fairy Godmother
>>Most Zelda characters that aren't already in are either not direct combatants or have not shown much of their combat abilities on screen- do you really want Girahim or one of the champions?
I feel that Hyrule Warriors and Age of Calimity changed this notion for me on most characters like Impa
has a ton of untapped characters, but most of them are oddly considered "equivalent"- adding Susie would generate tons of hate over a supposed "snubbing" of Magolor, Marx, etc., and adding them all would be a monumental undertaking
yeah, I feel the same about Sonic, is pretty hard to just pick one without feeling like snubbing another
has a similar issue compounded further by the Pokeball item, deciding which Pokemon to elevate above that level is not to be taken lightly
>>Fire Emblem is already hilariously lopsided, with one character getting an echo, an altered clone, and an echo of that altered clone- let's not make things any worse
for both of these, the main faces+rotating characters would serve them best
could afford to provide a couple more characters, maybe an Octoling echo to Inkling that uses different weapons to achieve similar effects, maybe some specific character with a more distinct ability set
yeah
>>Kid Icarus, Earthbound, DK, F-Zero, and etc. would all be hilariously late additions
yeah but it doesn't matter anymore since K Rool obliterated this boundary, also Mother tbf was lucky to have 2 at all
>yeah but it doesn't matter anymore since K Rool obliterated this boundary,
I think K. Rool is just a special extreme case in that he was really popular on the Smash ballot and wouldn't of gotten in otherwise, same thing with Bnajo-Kazooie. The likes of Black Shadow or Porky or whatever don't exactly have that pull.
Beisdes those and Sakurai's usual le quirky surprise/retro character quota, every newcomer has tended to be "relevant" by the time of their inclusion.
is not about what would the devs do just the mindset of rostergayging nowdays, more people are valuing lasting impact and legacy over relevance so you/ll see more picks like Gengar spring up becoming more popular
Star Fox but not F-Zero, into the thrash it goes
uwotm8, do you not recognize Black Shadow, Goroh and Mr EAD?
I'm moronic and blind, nvm
picking one from all of these I would go
>Pauline
>Dixie
>Ashley
>Impa
>Krystal
>Raven Beak
>Magolor
>Evee
>KK
>Porky
>Oatchi(with a captain riding him)
>Black Shadow
>Lyn
>Elma
>Callie Marie
>only one choice here
>Shadow
>Birdo
Louie (in any form) or the Rookie & Oatchi as a duo that also have Pikmin would be the best/most likely options for Pikmin reps, but god I would love to see one of the creatures of the Pikmin world get turned into a fully fledged fighter.
>do you really want Girahim or one of the champions?
No, I want Skull Kid and Midna/Midna and Wolf Link.
>maybe an Octoling echo
I still don't understand how this didn't happen. They made a huge deal about how Echoes allowed them to add tons of characters who wouldn't get in otherwise and then there were only like four of them.
Alright, what are all of your weirdest literal who's you would be happy to see in smash? relevancy be damned!
>heat phan phan: I like his design
>stanley the bugman: I feel like greenhouse and donkey kong 3 deserve a comeback
>starfy: I have nostalgia for his 2nd game
as an alt for Balloon Fighter, the GB had a lot of weird shit thats forgotten like Muddy Mole
I miss Gunpei Yokoi so much
Zeo Ranger 5?
elite trio
Pure kino.
The second this dude was announced and fans lost their fricking shit. It was right after the grinch leak too so it was not just ironic salt / shitposting, there was legitimate vitrol and betrayal.
>The second this dude was announced and fans lost their fricking shit.
I mean, to be fair... It kind of is a random "frick you" pick. Actual characters like Toad, Waluigi, King Boo, Pauline, and Wart exist and they give us a meaningless cannon fodder minion? And I say that as someone who's really come to like Piranha Plant, who to this day still never read the Grinch leaks and never knew what that was about. It's got a fun move set, but goddamn, what the hell was Sakurai thinking?
he purposely added a character no one asked for, so I wonder what does the actual ballot data look like
>he purposely added a character no one asked for
I'm all for adding an obscure, "unwanted" character, but why not a character no one asked for that's actually a character? I loved additions like Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, and ROB. Why not something like Excitebiker? Surely there wasn't a huge crowd demanding him and it'd have the same "no one asked for this" effect.
thats why I said I wonder what the data looks like, they probably did see those requested but Plant likely had absolutely 0 votes, but yeah is odd how they didn't pick an actual character
>Silver the Hedgehog
>C.J (Grand Theft Auto San Andreas)
>Conker
>Master Chief
>Tetra
>Bomberman
>Mallow
>Knuckles
>Dragonborn
>Geno
>Octoman (F-Zero GX)
>Michael Chain (F-Zero GX)
>Medli
>Midna/Wolf Link
>Wave/Plasma/Power/Ice Pirate (Metroid Prime)
>Sergeant Johnson (Halo)
>Coach (Left 4 Dead II)
>Nomad/Profit (Crysis)
>The Arbiter
>Dixie Kong
>Lanky Kong
>Shadow the Hedgehog
>Housemaster (Arfenhouse)
>Adeleine (Kriby 64)
>Joe (Arfenhouse)
>ATLAS / P-body (Portal 2)
>Leon (F-Zero GX)
>to a video game hall of fame?
Back when they added Sonic and Snake.
Captain Olimar's inclusion was enough to shatter the board. No one could fricking believe it, and it really felt like after those 3 in particular made it in that pretty much all bets were off as long as the IP had significant sales on a Nintendo platform.
Kyle Hyde needs to be in.
Maybe Smash 6 can focus less on swordies and 3rd party brawlers and more on interesting indie reps.
Steve doesn't count.
theres a few Indie platform fighters already but I could see the likes of Shovel Knight, Hat Kid and Shantae blending in well with the main cast, personally I would like Alien Hominid and or Castle Crashers but they are not as Nintendo relevant as the formers, not that it matters at this point but is still a preference for me
How is shantae indie again?
>Interesting indie picks
You first bro
Smash was better when it had no 3rd parties. I'd kill megaman as much as it hurts to remove all 3rd party characters from the game.
huehue frick the haters I'm ready for another smash release cycle full of character speculation and board spam. It's been too long.
I want more additions from the companies/series Nintendo fricking neglects.
Chibi Robo
Dillon
Midbus
Fawful
The frickin Tomato guy from Alphadream's first game, I dunno
Starfy
Lip
Prince Sable
Just give me more unique picks from the company's history instead of this dumb "big hitter" shit.
I miss when classical rostergayging had this mindset of throwing an obscure series a bone, the modern using smash bros as a glorified videogame oscars or whatever is soulless
I would love Captain Rainbow with this cast, that game had a kino premise but too bad it sold like 8 copies
I love my beautiful wife Byleth!
Don't care about haters. I have fun with my wife's unique move set.
Frick it, post your personal unrealistic dream rosters. If you don't have one, make one.
I'm curious to see how far you would stretch Smash if given the power to do so.
Here's mine.
>Diskun
not shitting on him but what would he do? genuinely curious don't feel like researching his origin though I know he's super retro
mr. game & watch/pac-man but referencing famicom disk system games instead (lots of normal FC games were ported to Disk System)
also he'd be the only other character besides donkey kong who can carry opponents to reference Mario USA/Doki Doki Panic starting life as a Disk System game
metal slug marco instead of rock and its perfect
Waluigi should be added in but he share a slot with pirahna plant, plant’s down b still acts the same when charged but when simply tapped, plant slinks down his pipe and waluigi jumps out of if, putting the pipe in this pocket.
rostergays don't actually care about the game. They just jerk off to the css and argue online. Hopefully they trim things down next game and these people frick off. Also hoping that they clean up all of the visual nonsense smash has nowadays. Sometimes ffa feels like an adhd lightshow
yeah, all the extra effects were obnoxious with extra smoke, biggest blasts amd confetti for whatever reason
also frick Pokemons and Assists that flips your controls, flip stages, obstruct views, black out views, holy shit, I wish we had the option to outright turn off certain pokemons and assists, like you can now pick them in training mode so is almost there
who the frick thought this would be fun, in Melee it was just Togepi that did this and everyone hated Togepi for it doing it randomly
Is there an unspoken rule that indie character can’t be in the roster? (Steve doesn’t count)
not really no
Shovel Knight is an assist trophy and there's a Sans costume.
All limits are broken.
At this point, no. I think Sakurai doesn't consider most indie game characters being full slot worthy though. If you had a choice between adding Batter from OFF or Sora from fricking Kingdom Hearts, who do you think is gonna be the likely pick?
>to a video game hall of fame?
Literally once they added Snake and Sonic. This is a very easy question.
nope, thats like saying MK9 was a horror movie monster gave for having Freddy Kruger
During smash4, brawl was just 2 cameos, 4 just vomitted 3rd parties.
To you, what was the greatest injustice in Smash Ultimate? Whether it be inclusions (or lack thereof), stage representation, modes, etc.
Why the frick Kirby only gets Pre-Sakurai game representation? That's my biggest gripe, I'm not asking for a character but why add ONLY content that you work on? I feel he is bitter towards modern Kirby.
I don't know if I'd call it a "great injustice," but after driving home how Ultimate was about finally giving the fans all the characters they've been wanting for ages - Sora, King K. Rool, and Ridley, and to a lesser degree Simon and Banjo - it's weird that Sakurai just absolutely refused to go all out and give us Waluigi and Geno as well. He wouldn't even give us a deluxe Geno Mii costume like Sans and Cuphead. Just seems like an odd place to draw the line.
Nintendo doesn't see Waluigi as anything more then roster filler for sports games and Mario Kart.
But... who cares? Meme or not, we were all asking for him. We would've given them money for him to be DLC for Ultimate. Why pass that up?
Bringing back movesetgayging that no one will read
summary - a slapstick style spear(which can transform into a parasol) fighter
also draws a lot from vid related:
>Jab - Spear Flurry
>dash a - lunging stab and press a again to do a polevault that works as combo starter to the air
>up tilt - stabs upward
>side tilt - a 2 hit combo, first hops forward spinning 180 to his with the stickside then another 180 hop to the strong hit with the spade side
>down tilt - the famous kirby crouch dash slide
>grab - stander one handed grab
>pummel - light headbutts
>up throw - spear opens into a parasol and does the parasol circus throw followed by an aqua shot
>fthrow - chucks you and throws the spear at you like tomahawk spinning it
>bthrow - parasol juggle followed by a spinning back kick like he's playing hacky sack
>dthrow - parasol drill pinned against the ground
>nair - spear twirl, like Pit's nair
>uair - 2 hit combo, jab with the spear that pops you snap opening the parasol
>fair - an overheard 2 handed spear whack
>bair - a strong back kick
>dair - parasol drill dive that dives surprisingly slower than most dives kicks
>up Smash - beyblade spins on top of his spear kicking upside down
>side smash - Parasol Aqua Blast
>down smash - that dashing attack from KF2 where he rushes grinding the spear aganst the ground, a burying move
to be continued...
...countinued
B - Megaton Punch: an action command move that works just like the Super Star minigame he debuted in with timing 3 prompts , gets stronger based on successions, can be rushed to not get caught by an opponent, the levels being
>0 Successes: Punches the ground once, like a single slap version of Donkey Kong's down B
>1: a stronger punch thats produces a medium sized shockwave
>2: adds shooting rock clusters
>3: adds large dangerous stone edges propping up aside from BanDee, also has an earthquake effect like the pow block item
in mid air, it makes him drop really fast and spikes
Side B: arching spear throws, can be charged to have up 3 spears going varying paths, can be lodged into surfaces but one spear at a time, on walls it acts like a springboard to jump off of, on ground it can block light projectiles although launched by physical attacks in medium range, which can work towards Bandees favor if set up properly, earthquakes violently launches lodged spears all the to the ceiling
Up B - Spear Copter, a chargeable multihit hover recovering twiling the spear like is a chopper blade
Down B: The Moondrop attacks, a leap into a downward drill dive
Final Smash - Waddle Dee Army Ball
basically a shitton of Waddle Dees rush to form a giant boulder grabbing the foes in its path then exploding off stage if thats where the path ends
Final Smash 2(I like the idea of everyone getting 2 supers) - Landia Barrage
calls over the 4 headed dragon from RtDL shooting each head like a missile
Taunt 1 - Spear turns into a fishing pole and goes fishing on a puddle
taunt 2 - eats a cookie by absorbing it like in the anime
taunt 3 - sits down and takes sips from juice box
a special characteristic
in his victory animation if he teams with Kirby and or Dedede, he celebrates having a picnic with them like in Kirby 64
thanks for reading if you did :^)
>a special characteristic
>in his victory animation if he teams with Kirby and or Dedede, he celebrates having a picnic with them like in Kirby 64
HOLY FRICKING SOVL
make it have an Adeleine cameo if she can't make it and I'm sold
I mean, he's basically already built. Some of the Kirby games handle like Smash anyway.
yeah thats part of why he's popular, is easy to picture an adaptation
Yeah but why this over any original kirby character?
>any original kirby character?
but he is one, he debuted in Kirby
Is there a good template for movesets
depends, are you looking for a brief one with just specials and a summary or a fully detailed one?
Fully detailed but specials and a summary could also work
this one looks sleek, might be a pain in the ass to fit pictures into but fine in text on most sections
also the stats showned are weird having "defense" seperate from recovery and weight
I wish this one YTgay would make a template, since his graphs look slick as hell
heres a long Chun-Li moveset idea video for the Chun-Li fans here
Sakurai wanted to make a half-assed celebration of gaming, which also means he includes assist trophies and spirits in that batch when no one really cares about those two, especially the assist trophies. Not even Sakurai cares about them. You can turn them off and you'd never know Bomberman was in Smash Bros. Smash will NEVER scratch the surface of video games to be a hall of fame of one and it's a bad idea to try it. And as others said, bringing in 3rd parties brings in their fans and other fans who want to barge in and tell Nintendo fans they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for reps when Smash has always scraped the bottom of the barrel when there's plenty of stuff at the top to use, even to this day. There is less than 90 playable characters, never mind 100 and you're telling me everyone who matters is already in.
If they make a new Smash Bros. and they're going to, they need new characters to sell the game, regardless of how downscaled the roster will be from Ultimate. They got plenty of characters that got assist'd, mii'd and spirit'd. You not knowing about them doesn't mean they're not important. When Sakurai gets his advance from Nintendo and he gets to work on the project plan for the next game, he's gonna be looking at the characters that aren't playable and shuffle through them. Get ready to see Dixie Kong, Isaac, Bandana Dee (Maybe), Waluigi, Bomberman, a TotK rep and Crash Bandicoot, not because Sakurai cares about the fans, but because he needs new blood to sell his next $70 product that we're supposed to be grateful for.
I kinda like this goofy one for Waluigi
>That Final Smash
Fricking kek. I don't understand the Vine Strike, though. Is that something that happened in some random game?
it was an ability he had in Strikers for the Wii I recall, but never really did it again since
Mario Strikers Charged special shot
>Wanted Chibi Robo since Brawl
>But his entire series over the years became a constant downward spiral of miserable failure and is fricking dead now.
feels bad man
I hope from the bottom of my heart, and I mean it whole heartedly that they never ever ever fricking never make a new one. frick you autistic roster gays you aren’t even good and likely don’t even play the game you just like talking about and looking at big dumb bloated rosters
Personally, I haven’t played in a while mainly because there was nothing to do besides the normal matches unlike other games, leaving only multiplayer enjoyable, with half of it still sucking because the online has become worse since 4. That isn’t even getting into the overly cluttered effects and abysmal input delay. So believe me, I’ve played it and quite frankly, while I think the bottom of the barrel argument for nintendo characters is still stupid, it is a minuscule compared to everything wrong with ultimate.
Thoughts on this recent Smash Newcomer 6 poll?
https://sourcegaming.info/2022/10/28/mega-smash-poll-ultimate-results-most-wanted-fighters/
this goes be place, character, series and votes
>1 Crash Bandicoot Crash Bandicoot 556
>2 Bandana Waddle Dee Kirby 475
>3 Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney 467
>4 Waluigi Mario 459
>5 Rayman Rayman 441
>6 Master Chief Halo 352
>7 Geno Mario 345
>8 Isaac Golden Sun 307
>9 Dante Devil May Cry 259
>10 Doom Slayer DOOM 258
>11 Dr. Eggman Sonic the Hedgehog 255
>12 Shantae Shantae 246
>13 Dixie Kong Donkey Kong 199
>14 Travis Touchdown No More Heroes 155
>15 Reimu Hakurei Touhou Project 154
>16 Shovel Knight Shovel Knight 137
>17 Shadow the Hedgehog Sonic the Hedgehog 126
>18 Paper Mario Mario 120
>19 Tails Sonic the Hedgehog 113
>20 Karate Joe Rhythm Heaven 112
>20 The Knight Hollow Knight 112
>22 Skull Kid The Legend of Zelda 111
>23 Monster Hunter Monster Hunter 102
>24 Bomberman Bomberman 93
>25 Elma Xenoblade 91
>>2 Bandana Waddle Dee Kirby 475
My boy
>seperating Ashley votes from Ashley & Red duo
Voting fraud detected, Ashley should be top 50
>1 Crash Bandicoot Crash Bandicoot 556
>2 Bandana Waddle Dee Kirby 475
based
>3 Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney 467
alright
>4 Waluigi Mario 459
based
>5 Rayman Rayman 441
neat
>6 Master Chief Halo 352
hell no
>>7 Geno Mario 345
no thank you
>8 Isaac Golden Sun 307
based
>9 Dante Devil May Cry 259
>10 Doom Slayer DOOM 258
no thanks
>11 Dr. Eggman Sonic the Hedgehog 255
>12 Shantae Shantae 246
>13 Dixie Kong Donkey Kong 199
>14 Travis Touchdown No More Heroes 155
>15 Reimu Hakurei Touhou Project 154
>16 Shovel Knight Shovel Knight 137
neat
>17 Shadow the Hedgehog Sonic the Hedgehog 126
neat
>18 Paper Mario Mario 120
based
>19 Tails Sonic the Hedgehog 113
okay
>20 Karate Joe Rhythm Heaven 112
based
>20 The Knight Hollow Knight 112
no thanks
>22 Skull Kid The Legend of Zelda 111
>23 Monster Hunter Monster Hunter 102
>24 Bomberman Bomberman 93
based
>25 Elma Xenoblade 91
okay
>7 Geno Mario 345
I'm a pretty laid back dude. I think people are people, and everyone should be allowed to believe whatever they want. That being said, I wish these people would die.
yeah, is easily most unwarranted popularity bar none
Cope
Pure reddit. If these are the top picks for smash 6 then I can easily say I will be skipping the next game. Smash as a video game is dead.
see ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out
I won’t be going anywhere because those reddit picks aren’t getting in kek.
Pointless since it's asking Americans and not Japs.
if I had to pick 8 from here it would be
>Bomberman
>Karate Joe
>Paper Mario
>Dixie Kong
>Isaac
>Skull Kid
>Waluigi
>Monster Hunter
rest of the them to 50
26 Zero Mega Man 86
27 Spyro Spyro 84
28 Heavy Team Fortress 79
28 Sans UNDERTALE 79
30 Ryu Hayabusa Ninja Gaiden 78
30 Sol Badguy Guilty Gear 78
32 Officer Howard ASTRAL CHAIN 75
33 Professor Layton Professor Layton 73
34 Impa The Legend of Zelda 69
35 Klonoa Klonoa 68
35 Krystal Star Fox 68
35 Raven Beak Metroid 68
38 Arle Nadja Puyo Puyo 67
38 Scorpion Mortal Kombat 67
40 Toad Mario 66
41 Lloyd Irving Tales of 65
42 Amaterasu Ōkami 62
43 Crono Chrono 60
44 2B NieR 58
44 Alucard Castlevania 58
46 Porky EarthBound 57
47 Monokuma Danganronpa 55
48 Kazuma Kiryu Like a Dragon 52
48 The Human UNDERTALE 52
50 Agumon Digimon 51
YUCK those 52 aspies asking for Undertale shit should be executed
>26 Zero Mega Man 86
>27 Spyro Spyro 84
>30 Ryu Hayabusa Ninja Gaiden 78
>32 Officer Howard ASTRAL CHAIN 75
>33 Professor Layton Professor Layton 73
>34 Impa The Legend of Zelda 69
>35 Klonoa Klonoa 68
>35 Krystal Star Fox 68
>35 Raven Beak Metroid 68
>38 Arle Nadja Puyo Puyo 67
>38 Scorpion Mortal Kombat 67
>40 Toad Mario 66
>41 Lloyd Irving Tales of 65
>42 Amaterasu Ōkami 62
>43 Crono Chrono 60
>50 Agumon Digimon 51
these are solid picks
I want a War Thunder character.
>to a video game hall of fame
it's not even a video game hall of fame. it barely means anything to make it into Smash nowadays.
Nobody thinks Min Min or Joker are iconic characters. Much less FE protagonist #14
so how should Mii fighters be handled in the next Smash Bros?
>add a new class like Mii Mage
>expand on the customization
>like be able to change more moves beyond specials
>be able to mix classes like use bother Gunner and Swordfighter moves
>have costumes unlock moves related to the costumes
>maybe even unlock a voice clips for authenticity
>just cut them altogether.
>>just cut them altogether.
Nah, they're fun. They're the closest Smash has to a create a character. I agree on a Mage class and offering more choices for moves (and actually providing a choice for their Final Smashes). Also bring back the ability to make them different heights and weights.
The bare minimum for next title should be having the in-depth Mii Maker that the Miitopia Switch port had.
>Magic-using Mii Fighter
Miis should all work off the same base.
>Brawler is the baseline
>Miis can use different specials and attacks by changing their equipment
>Different swords, guns, and other weapons yield different attacks
>Some costumes unlock extra specials. Equipping a Mario Cap lets you hurl a fireball as a neutral special
>Mii stats are calculated based on their equipment. A strong Mii may be slow as a consequence, or a fast one may be light
>New weapons include axes, spears, bows, etc. Miis also have a new equipment slot for secondary weapons, which affect available specials only
>New class: Mii Sportsman
>Bring the Mii editor from Miitopia
>Make them normal human size
>Let you swap weapons among all costumes (I want a jumpsuit swordsman so I can make The Bride from Kill Bill, for example)
>Incorporate them fully into the game. If you let the demo play, it will sometimes pick a Mii you made, with all the customizations. There's no reason they can't make that part of standard Smash.
These. I like these.
People just like 3rd parties and are more surprised by them and they bring new audiences in whether you believe that or not, the allure of some random nintendo character no one has heard of doesn't exist because the Internet ruins any and all of that quirkiness. Hell ultimate even got away with the wacky shit character that was piranha plant just because it was funny,
heres a criteria, pick a newcomer for whether they are in a big game on these platforms
>GB
>GBA
>Virtua Boy
>Wii
>DS
Boy
Alice from Balloon Kid
Andy
Jack Bros
Travis Touchdown
Kyle Hyde
>When did this series’ reputation go from celebration of nintendo and its history to a video game hall of fame?
Pretty apparent 4 is when this happened. Brawl obviously opened the floodgates but Snake was a literal personal favor and Sonic was absolutely the correct choice out of literally EVERYONE.
I wouldn't say floodgate in brawl, more so planting a seed
For me, it just turned into a DLC hype software. The prediction for DLC characters is way more celebrated than the game itself and enjoyed more than its gameplay. It's kinda sad, but Smash Bros is primarily for hyping up people with DLC picks and not much else.
Exactly as you said, any new nintendo character would be scraping the bottom of the barrel so the series had to evolve
whats the endgame, just being MUGEN?
I mean, you joke, but I would kinda guess that, eventually... Yes? Always gotta go bigger, do more, outdo what came before... How long before "Everyone vs. Everyone" is literally the only choice left?
I'd argue niche nintendo characters would do fine if added to the core game, because it is already being carried by the existing characters, and would help popularize those niche franchises.
It's just that those characters wouldn't be popular enough to be sold as individual DLC.
Yeah I see what you mean
started with brawl adding snake and sonic but smash 4 was what really set in the "VIDYA HALL OF FAME" cancer when the third party dam went from slightly leaking to erupting
The real problem with the guest fighters was the inclusion of Bayonetta. Think about it.
>Snake. The Metal Gear Solid franchise had been going since 1987, had countless games by then, and was pretty much known by everyone.
>Sonic. Probably the most obvious, "no shit" character they could've added. The Bugs Bunny to Mario's Mickey Mouse.
>Mega Man and Pac-Man. Two other absolute titans of the media. Having them, Sonic, and Mario together in the same game was a huge deal.
>Ryu and Cloud. While Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac-Man were probably sufficient, I imagine if you asked most people what other guest characters to add to Smash, their answers would be these two - The stars of arguably the most famous fighting game series and the most popular entry of the most iconic RPG series.
Clearly, only the top of the top were getting in. And then... there was Bayonetta. Who'd only had two games at that point, neither of which were very old. This was very clearly the point when the guest characters went from "The most iconic of gaming icons!" to "Are you kinda popular and did your game sell fairly well? Then get in here, cause why not?" Same thing with Joker in Ultimate.
Bayonetta is pretty much a Nintendo character at this point anyways, even if she's technically owned by SEGA.
It's kinda like Banjo-Kazooie, there are technically far bigger and more important third party IPs out there, especially from Microsoft, but Banjo was also a way more popular request because of his honorary/former Nintendo character status. It's like that with Bayo at this point.
Banjo and bayo do sound slightly similar
They’re in.
why is there no demand for the survival horror rep?
I just hate how 'omg so epic and inspiring' they try to make smash ever since Brawl.
It's a game where donkey Kong and Mario punch each other and smack each other with bombs and fans, it doesn't need to ridiculous 100+ member grand orchestra singing Latin while the intro cutscene plays
Worse part, Sakurai did this on his own accord, not by the request of the fans. He's probably wanted to do some 'epic' showcase for a while and finally got to do it. It doesn't help that Melee had such prestige and looked considerably good for an early Gamecube title, so of course the next game had to look even better.
The former, because SMRPG getting remade wouldn't have happened if Geno's fans didn't rally for him and now it's quite funny how Smash will need Geno rather than Geno needing Smash. Again, if they want to sell the next game, they need people who have yet to be playable in an official Smash game.
Melee is only prestigious with autistic zealots
And the people who played the original, brought the sequel and saw how well the presentation was and all of the neat touches and details put into it. It's a fine example of a sequel that does everything better, gameplay, graphics, music, extras, you name it. Stop getting triggered over a few people playing the game competitively, it's a fine game when played casually or fun, the competitive elements are a neat bonus for those who choose to play that way.
The people who play competitively need to realize it’s a party game and not a fighting game. Those are glitches not gameplay mechanics
WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH
Once again, this was about how Melee presented itself to the public from the first game, not about how it's played competitively, stop b***hing and moaning just because someone praised a game living rent free in your head that you don't like because people play it a certain way.
Meleeschizo your game is a trash rushed game that runs like it’s on crack and filled with glitches. It runs at the same speed that Saints Row 2 runs when it’s played on a PC that doesn’t use Windows XP which makes the game broken
WAH WAH I'M A FRICKING CRYBABY GETTING TRIGGERED OVER A GAME THAT'S OLDER THAN ME BOO HOO
>can’t refute what I have said so goes to more buzzwords
I accept your concession Meleeschizo
How is good physics glitch? You disingenuous homosexuals never answer this one.
It’s not good physics though, it’s just moving around like it’s on crack. You have no clue what good physics are
>carrying momentum into a jump isn't good physics
Kys modernsonic cuck.
>muh momentum
Nobody gives a frick about momentum it doesn’t effect games at all Meleeschizo
Classic sonic begs to differ.
I have no clue what you’re talking about
>quite funny how Smash will need Geno rather than Geno needing Smash.
Holy shit you're fricking delusional.
Whose game is getting remade again? Who didn't make it in Smash again? Who's still popular as a character? Don't pretend SMRPG is obscure, especially now, that remake is going to sell like crazy and they already know Geno is popular. If they want people to buy the next Smash title, Geno is a prime candidate for the playable roster, whether you like it or not.
And he's much more 'relevant' than that silly gator or that dumb bear and bird at the moment
OH GUYS, THERE'S A REMAKE. DID YOU HEAR? THERE'S A REMAKE! THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT!
>All from the last decade
>Couldn't even bother to put recent remakes in that image
I accept your concession.
Bro, your game flopped before and it's going to flop again, no one cares about your spinoff side character.
>Mobilegay
>Doesn't even show the actual sales in your screenshot
>2,140,000 going by the same article you linked is supposedly a flop in 1996
>Denying that the Switch userbase won't buy a game with Mario on the front of the box
7/10 made me bite
Yeah dude, every switch owner buys every Mario remake without fail, right? It's definitely going to do ALL SWITCH USERS+NUMBERS this time around, right?
nta anon, but the SMRPG remake is sure to be a hit, it got the most buzz in the last direct next to Mario Wonder with everyone talking about it and YTgays soijaking over Geno returning in a videogame
plus in a strange way, it has the Smash Bros bonus without even needing Geno in smash with awareness within Smash Bros circles, it may be a vocal minority beyond the circle but without it you wouldn't see YTgays soijaking about Geno for clout, which does get the word out
>got the most buzz in the last direct next to Mario Wonder
So every Mario fan will buy the actual Mario game, and then every fan of spinoff remakes that didn't buy anything else featured in the direct will buy that trash?
>Mario game
>Not selling
Just stop, man. Geno won in the end and even if he doesn't get in Smash, he's already got a new game coming out and will also gain a lot of new fans in the process.
It’s funny that unlike the other old school fan picks like k rool, ridley, and banjo, he’s the only one who’s gonna be present in a new release on switch other than smash. You would’ve thought ridley was at least going to be in dread but no.
>You would’ve thought ridley was at least going to be in dread but no.
Unless he gets cloned again or something else, isn’t Ridley canonically dead as of Fusion? ||Unless Mercury Steam just said “let’s shake things up and bring back Kraid instead of Ridley this time”||
Seems like they can bring in any way they want since he can be cloned, personally, I’d want either a robot Ridley or a Ridley that exists purely in samus’ mind due to the trauma she’s caused her as well as the x parasite housing his dna infecting samus’ brain, similar to how the arkham games brought back the joker. Maybe him even try to take over samus’ mind, with her feeling his influence ocassionally, or maybe even a nightmarish transformation sequence where she becomes a new ridley for the bad ending.
I remember when people thought that E.M.M.I was a mass produced Ridley killbot, but it is more interesting as a galactic federation entity, though it could be both if they tried, just say they used Ridley skeleton or something
>new game
Remake.
With heavy alterations that will reintroduce the game (and the characters of Geno and Mallow) to an entire new generation of fans.
>heavy alterations
Like what? Graphical updates? Like a remake? Talking about remake stuff? Doing remake things? Remakely?
It looks like they're adding cut scene ultimate attacks, so who knows what else they're adding.
>who knows what else
So... It's a remake?
Yes. It's a remake. A remake they didn't have to do and are going out of their way to do and that will introduce the game to thousands of people.
Which is still new and looks nothing like the original game, in the sense that it's not just a port, it's an all new game built from the ground up. Keep being pedantic, Genogays got the last laugh and you can't do shit about it.
It's literally a remake. Everything is exactly the same except the graphics, which are an update of the dumb baby shit they had on SNES.
>it's quite funny how Smash will need Geno rather than Geno needing Smash
There is actually some morons delusional enough to think this.
See
So what era was better the 'Get this guy in Smash to Trojan Horse a revival' era or the 'Video Game Oscars' era?
The first one, easily.
Definitely the first, I’m glad people are finally noticing a difference in smash’s reputation, it’s been bugging me for a while.
It's not like the 'revival' reputation was deserved either if we're being honest.
It really wasn’t deserved since it only really helped out fire emblem but it was still better than what we have now
I think it was when snake got introduced, and then again when Cloud was included. Every other third party made sense for a "Nintendo all stars" but those two felt out of place.
That said, smash stopped being nintendo all stars since melee.
Why did all the Melee Players troon out?
LTG was right about the Smash Bros community
What'd he say?
That they’re all autistic smelly troon pedophiles that need to kts now
I don't really care about that. My problem with the smash community is that they're all cry babies that need to be forced to do a Bo3 when they lose.
brawl introduced third parties and 4 doubled down
combine that with, quite frankly, nintendo running out of new IP worth adding as fully playable characters aside from splatoon (even the most requested are always obscure nostalgia picks) it was a smart move to branch out and focus on third parties with ultimate
I want Chrono, Ninten, DQI Hero, FF1 Heroes team (fighter, thief, monk and red mage), the mc of the original megami tensei novel and Oersted.
I love FF7 but I kind of hate how Cloud and Sephiroth are the FF representation of the game, like come on they couldn't even add a FF assist trophy?
When nintendo was announcing the dlc characters. Some were cool and all, but there were just way too many stinkers packed way too close together, and it ended so abruptly. Nintendo must have decided they didn't want to support the title for the 6 or 7 whole years and truncated it.
>start off the Sora trailer just to immediately show we AREN'T getting Doomguy
That was a dick move. Doom is a contender for the most important game ever made besides Pong and Pitfall
Which Nintendo characters are left? Other than staple series like Pokemon or Fire Emblem where you get the latest Pokemon/Lord, most other series are pretty stagnant with new characters.
Zelda hasn't had an actually new character since Melee, that might be a good place to look
Bruh.
>No Wario Land
Nintendofandj is a poser.
Genogays are going to be worse than ever now that SMRPG has a remake
nah, genogays are pretty chill now that the actual mission of getting a SMRPG revival was manifested without Geno getting in Smash, just like what
said (latter part)
the geno support is a trojan horse to really ask for a revival of the game he is from much like Banjo
which is funny, Banjo got the fighter yet no game, Geno got the game without being a fighter
I'll do something crazy, I'll give every franchise 2 new characters, 1 regular and 1 echo:
>Mario: Tatanga, Pauline & Minis
>Yoshi: Poochie, Birdo
>Wario: Captain Syrup, Dribble & Spitz
>DK: Stanley, Dixie Kong
>Zelda: Impa, Tetra
>Metroid: Sylux, Gandrydra
>Kirby: Gooey, Bandana Dee
>Star Fox: Krystal, Panther
>Pokemon: Quaquaval, Hawlucha
>F-Zero: Samurai Goroh, Black Shadow
>Mother: Masked Man, Ninten
>Ice Climbers: Polar Bear, Topi & Topi
>Fire Emblem: Hector, Black Knight
>Mr. Game & Watch: John & Jack, Egg
>Pikmin: Plasm Wraith, Louie
>R.O.B.: Professor Hector, Ancient Minister
>Animal Crossing: Tom Nook, Crazy Redd
>Wii Fit: Balance Board, Ring-Fit Trainee
>Punch-Out: King Hippo, Doc Louis
>Xenoblade: Elma, Noah
>Light Gun Games: Gumshoe, Barker Bill
>Splatoon: Deep Cut, Octoling
>ARMS: Helix, Ninjara
>Metal Gear: Raiden, Gray Fox
>Sonic: Dr. Eggman, Shadow
>Megaman: Vent/Aile, Quint
>Pac-Man: Spooky, Toc-Man
>Street Fighter: Chun-Li, Akuma
>Final Fantasy: Terra, Squall
>Bayonetta: Rodin, Jeanne
>Castlevania: Alucard, Soma
>Persona: Makato, Yu
>Dragon Quest: King Slime, Terry
>Banjo-Kazooie: Gruntilda, Mumbo-Jumbo
>Fatal Fury: Geese, Rock
>Minecraft: Skeleton, Jesse
>Tekken: Ogre, Jin
>Kingdom Hearts: Xenahort, Roxas
>Miis: Mii Wizard, Mii Archer
He’s in.
HE'S IN
They’re right, all the importants picks have already made it in like k rool, a character who hasn’t been in a mainline dk game since donkey kong 64 and was completely forgotten after mario super sluggers, ridley, a character who has a sort of “always the bridesmaid, never the bride” role where he always just ends up being a normal boss, never the final boss despite supposedly being samus’ archenemy, and was clearly wanted more for the memes than his actual role in metroid, and banjo, a character who had two nintendo games, and then was immediately banished to Microsoft. Now we just have to deal with stuff like the octolings, a perfect character to rep more of nintendo’s most popular series out there, splatoon, impa, a reoccuring character in the zelda for years now with tons of movesst potential, paper mario, one of mario’s more popular spin offs, louie, the player 2 and reoccuring antagonist of the pikmin games, meowth, a character important to pokemon’s anime, an easy way to show off regional forms, and a character meant to be smash 64, dixie kong, the star of her own dk game and still appears today, with dkc tropical freeze and the mario movie, tom nook, one of the most popular animal crossing characters out there and one detrimental to the gameplay of the game, stanley the bugman, the protagonist of both greenhouse and donkey kong 3, king boo and e gadd, both of whom are stars in the fan favorite luigi’s mansion series, krystal, a highly requested character since brawl and one who was apart of the starfox cast until the failed reboot during the wii u era, bandana waddle dee, a main character of the kirby series who could act as a rep for the kirby series’ reliance on its generic enemies, magolor, a reoccuring kirby character who was appeared in most of kirby’s switch outings and even got his own mode in the latest title, dark matter, a massively reoccuring antagonist of the kirby series, and more.
Which 3rd party characters are left? Other than staple series like Street Fighter or Final Fantasy where you get the latest street fighter and jrpg swordsman? most other series are pretty stagnant with new characters.
BRUH.
Honestly, I don’t know
>Dark Souls
>Crash Bandicoot
>Halo
>DOOM
>Rayman
>Contra
>NInja Gaiden
>Virtua Fighter
>Bomberman
>Streets of Rage
>Mortal Kombat
>Shinobi
>Golden Axe
Just to name a few.
Seems like we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel with all of those picks
You may be right on some but picks like DOOM and Virtua Fighter are some of the most important games on there. Like if the FGC ever got another rep in Smash it would likely be VF since it already has an Assist Trophy, two Mii costumes, and a Spirit. The only thing it's missing is a character and some music.
wasn't asking, the point is was how easy it is to just say something like this to dismiss anything
>When did this series’ reputation go from celebration of nintendo and its history to a video game hall of fame
April 26, 1999
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>Fricking Malin from KOF 2003 out of all SNK characters
Talk about including obscure shit in this image
this is somehow the most literally who shit I seen shit
Sounds like only anti-tendies and casuals lose out. I mean, who the frick wants crash and isaac?
what Nintendys think they get
>Isaac
>Geno
>Bandana Dee
>Skullkid
what we'll actually get
>a yet to exist starter pokemon
>another yet to exist pokemon
>a yet to exist fire emblem avatar
>another yet to exist fire emblem gay
what 3rd party autists think they'll get
>Doomguy
>Dante
>Crash
>Phoenix Wright
what we'll actually get
>another Street Fighter character
>another fighting game guy(no westies like MK and KI :^] )
>another FFVII homosexual
>another JRPG swordsman
both sides are cucked out
>tendies and autists have entered the thread
my mistake, shouldn't have entered thinking i would get a decent discussion in a fricking smash thread
What’s your problem with the thread, anon? Be specific.
i dunno, ask the sperg spamming the same reply and autistically never-evering
They were always here, they just wait for certain buzzwords to be posted so they can start trolling and seething.
but Smash Bros is literally a Nintendo game
Yeah,
seems like pic related
Why do people ITT want smash 6? The roster for 5 is pretty much perfect and no one doesnt belong except Sora but there are a million mods that replace him with Geno anyways
Ultimate has is flaws, like the online is still shit
>b-but Switch
meanwhile MK8 and ARMS online actually works well
All I want is Adventure Mode that's a mix of Melee's sidescrolling levels based on actual games and Brawl's scope.
honestly just mix Melee's adventure mode level and pacing with single player course and match with brief cutscenes in between like intros for the fights and a brief victory animation and is all good
Mix with how Ultimate had personalized classic mode I mean
Also a huge variety of enemies like Smash Run, rather than completely original ones and Goombas, Koopas, and Bullet Bills, which is all that Subspace had (aside from the bosses).
a lot of the OC designs were so shit yet somehow the OC designs in Kid Icarus Uprising were great
if everyone had a home stage what would you give them? name a few doesn't have to be all at once, but that wouldn't fit the post limit
>mfw Mario + Rabbids' success means the Rabbids get added
I'm surprised they didn't get an AT atleast
Here is your first party rep, bros…
kino