fpbp. The sets before and after Innistrad were pretty good but only while Innistrad was still in standard. After that balance and design just went out the window. Innistrad limited was the best drafting I ever played.
i started playing in the dark and stopped from alliances to ravnica. I had a beta set of power. still do. i had way more, but unfortuneatley sold it all for chump change
I started playing in revised. at that point I want to say BL was 250$. I got a whole set of beta power a few years later for just under a grand around alliances.
Yeah that's the Gen X player peak for sure. Millenial peak is probably from Scars to Tarkir or roughly around there. Zoomer peak is, well, I'm not sure their era of mtg is ever going to peak besides secret lairslop.
No idea, I play casually with a bro.
We draft decks, trade cards back and forth, and occassionally buy a couple of boosters.
We sit down at the table, share some beers and just play.
Shit's comfy because there aren't any metagoblins who take some silly little cardboard game seriously around.
>magic the gathering arena is not a video game >magic the gathering online is not a video game >the other several standalone magic the gathering video games are not video games
boy i sure do hate it when people don't talk about the video games that i want to talk about!
INN/RTR was the last time standard was good. KTK was a good set, but things started going off the rails around that time. That block was so powerful, that the only card people ran from BFZ in standard was Gideon.
Yes. The whole thing is a mess because depending on how you want to interpret it, you could either draw infinite cards, draw extra cards during your start of turn draw phase, never draw a card (other than your first) if your hand is empty, etc.
I don't know who wrote this one but it's funny that an attempt to clarify is just as bad or possibly worse than the original.
Was the original really that bad in the first place? I just read it and unless I'm missing something major it seems pretty easy to understand.
Also, the only fault with the rewording is using the phrase "Natural" card draw. If the guy simply reused "Is this the first card drawn this turn?" then it would be fine.
>Attack with Volrath's Shape Shifter. >Sac a trampler >Assign damage >It's another creature, like Phage. >Trigger goes on the stack
I know, these older interactions are lost on you outside Mogg Fanatic and Morphling
I'd say magic was only ruined with the masters sets that made even modern a rotating format. That 2000$ deck you bought thinking it will hold value because it's eternal format? Worthless now, buy your masters boosters goy.
magic unironically has more complexity through simplicity vs yugioh's 'I search my deck 30 times on turn one until I get my giga rape creature that negates and destroys everything you do'
literally every yugioh deck is:
same 6 broken ass cards from the early days you would be moronic not to run
suite of cards that essentially read - use this to search your deck for the next X type card that you use to search for your next X type card
yugioh decks build themselves
The difference is in yugioh you have one format. In MTG I can just go play legacy, modern, pauper, or pioneer if I want a different eternal format.
In yugioh you either play vintage or nothing.
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except this simply isn't true? there are ladders and casuals for goat and edison in addition to what is most recent. common charity is also a popular fan alt format. you're either moronic or baiting.
7 months ago
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>Lists a bunch of fan formats
Even by your admittedly shit logic MTG still mogs the frick out of you in that department.
7 months ago
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>Lists a bunch of fan formats
all historic formats are officially sanctioned under the time wizard umbrella. edison tournaments regularly hit participant caps at events. if you don't know what you're talking about you can just not reply and spare yourself the embarrassment.
Every MTG card, even the commons, can come in foil. Its not like yugioh where secret rares are always foil but commons can't be. >But why don't I ever see pictures of them
Idk, but thats not really my problem.
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>MTG “””rarities””” are just rainbow foil >In the WHOLE card
Tell me you’re joking that looks cheap as frick
7 months ago
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that's just 1 of em, you can look up the rest yourself if you care so much
7 months ago
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Foil-etched cards look pretty nice.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Those aren't the rarities you moron
It's also a better system because you can get any deck in full foil if you want
7 months ago
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Looks like the shitty fake cards you mistakenly bought as a kid because they were significantly cheaper than real ones
Lmao
Doesn't matter, all you ever need to know is if your opponent puts it on the battlefield you lose. There's only one or two situations where you'd ever survive against an Emrakul hitting the board.
>"I think cards from [japanese corporate scum] look more aesthetically pleasing than cards from [israeli corporate scum]" >BUT YOUR GAME IS JUST SEARCH X TO SEARCH Y TO SEARCH Z TO SUMMON A TO SUMMON B TO SUMMON C TO-
I am convinced card game players are the biggest, least capable of reading comprehension, imbeciles in the world.
Peak MTG is when Lorwyn rolled around. Everything was super fricking good AND original, from the art and flavor all the way to the new mechanics and new types of cards.
The modern Digimon cards look fantastic. I don't even play the game, just collect the cards.
They really need to make a video game for the card game soon.
The land system is magics greatest strength and biggest weakness.
Games without resource systems turn into FTK fests where you just tutor your entire deck (yugioh), while games with streamlined mana systems have to add made up arbitrary restrictions to deck building (hearthstone, runeterra).
Thats the upside to mana. The downside of course is every 10 games you're just gonna lose to mana screw/flood. So the question becomes if those other 9 games are worth it, and generally the answer is yes.
I feel like I have way more deck building freedom in magic than every other card game, by a landslide.
If any anon in this thread replies to this thread claiming the best era was during or after planeswalkers were introduced, then I hope so much that they consider roping themselves. That would be all, thankyou.
>Hype up new card type >Its just some weird enchantment/planeswalker hybrid with extra steps >Have to slap ETBs on them to even see play >Even then only a couple of them are even played. >Proceed to leave them out in the LOTR crossover set, a series with iconic battles.
Also I'm sick of every single fricking card transforming. Text is getting to yugioh tier at this point.
We're always here.
I don't have any beef with Magic or other card games. I do wish Wizards/Hasbro would treat Magic players better though. Konami isn't much better, except for re-releasing much needed cards cheaply lately. Konami usually does some nice things and then some dumb things, so it kind of balances itself out.
Still waiting on my Yugioh Dragon Quest-like JRPG
B-but thats a Master Duel thread. I don't enjoy that game anymore because they kind of ruined it for me by bringing in everything modern too quickly. I'm just going to hang out in this thread instead.
Are there good Magic the Gathering video games?
most people play arena if they're looking to play online - even if the cardpool isn't anywhere near the full catalog, mtg online also exists and has pretty much all the cards but you gotta manually do everything and it's physically painful to look at.
Yugioh has ramped up its popularity mainly because its cheaper and Master Duel exists mogging every other digital ccg in the market.
I could argue its more popular than mtg now, but mtg only seems more popular because of all the secondaries playing as investors for children cards.
>get into magic >its pretty fun >get even further into it >realise its a complete mess where your wallet size is a legitimate factor >the company is raping it and destroying what little integrity it had left >>>>>>
[...]
beyond are black border >the playerbase are obese autists >if you stop playing for just 2 months you are completely out of the loop >the game design is atrocious the deeper you go
I played standard for a bit and got out, then I switched to Pio
also the fact mirror and sheol STILL aren't banned means wotc cares more about sales than competition
By mill I mean it was UB control with Nephalia Drownyard btw
There's a new UB mill deck in modern which looks fricking awesome but I swore to myself that I'd never play MtG ever again after Khans
I don't know why people have such a huge problem with rotating formats. For one, there are formats that aren't rotating so you can just play those. Secondly, just like in other games that don't rotate (primarily yugioh), those metas change all the time due to powercreep. I'd rather have cards that maintain some value post-rotation rather than take a dive entirely because a new deck that is strictly better came out.
All of the expansions in the '90s to early-mid 2000s from Planeshift, Portals, to Ravnica City of Guilds (2005) unironically, when the setting was just about mysterious battle mages/planes-wizards with unbelievable power tapping into planes of reality in the omniverse of Dominaria/Dominia. Before the cancer of "hero" units.
Anon, everything was better and soulful in the '90s, not memeing or being ironic.
>Dominaria >no "hero units"
nuPlaneswalkers are arguably less important to the story than the Weatherlight was. No character in Magic has had entire sets named after them like Urza did.
Innistrad
Everything else was garbage
fpbp. The sets before and after Innistrad were pretty good but only while Innistrad was still in standard. After that balance and design just went out the window. Innistrad limited was the best drafting I ever played.
Seconding Innistrad, it was the last kino block
in 1993 or 1994 i saw a real black lotus from like 2 feet away
and the guy was being all neckbeardy he was like "guys please dont lean over the table, that card is worth three THOUSAND dollars"
I'd be neckbeardy about it too if one droplet of spit ruined my meal ticket.
he had it in a thing, it's just a funny memory in retrospect, i hope that guy held on to it.
you know, i was like 11 years old at the time, and i was like "this game will never take off, its like the more you pay the more easily you can win"
surprise
>you know, i was like 11 years old at the time, and i was like "this game will never take off, its like the more you pay the more easily you can win"
what do you have to say now?
i started playing in the dark and stopped from alliances to ravnica. I had a beta set of power. still do. i had way more, but unfortuneatley sold it all for chump change
>black lotus being work 3k in 1992
Why are you telling lies on the internet?
he said the fat frick was the one claiming that it was $3000.
This is simplynot true. For a very long time they were a few hundred bucks and the moxen where like 150 each
They were less than $25 in 1993 and 1994. I remember them being hundreds of dollars around 2000 when my brother started playing MTG
I started playing in revised. at that point I want to say BL was 250$. I got a whole set of beta power a few years later for just under a grand around alliances.
Mirrodin block
Kamigawa block
Ravnica block
>Kamigawa block
Jesus man even the developers admitted that was a mistake.
dosen't matter sweaty, i was 10 back then and that means it was the golden era of magic
Yeah that's the Gen X player peak for sure. Millenial peak is probably from Scars to Tarkir or roughly around there. Zoomer peak is, well, I'm not sure their era of mtg is ever going to peak besides secret lairslop.
Just before the convolution to create nu-walkers/mythic rares which ruined things. Good choice.
???
>>>/tg/
No idea, I play casually with a bro.
We draft decks, trade cards back and forth, and occassionally buy a couple of boosters.
We sit down at the table, share some beers and just play.
Shit's comfy because there aren't any metagoblins who take some silly little cardboard game seriously around.
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>the shit for black kids that just make up rules
I would have never sold a piece like that, what a moron
Card was made coz the kid was literally dying from cancer or some shit, in the US.
He needs every red cent he can get to pay off the hospital bills.
He just sold this as an adult months ago decades after he beat cancer, his bills were covered long ago.
>have board dedicated to card games
>post on Ganker anyways
and people wonder why this board is shit
offboard threads are always the best newbieet
moron
>magic the gathering arena is not a video game
>magic the gathering online is not a video game
>the other several standalone magic the gathering video games are not video games
boy i sure do hate it when people don't talk about the video games that i want to talk about!
Mirrodin and Kamigawa, riiiight after the Onslaught cycle and 7th. Tons of cool new things popped into existence right then.
M10 and Rise of the Eldrazi until Khans of Tarkir.
INN/RTR was the last time standard was good. KTK was a good set, but things started going off the rails around that time. That block was so powerful, that the only card people ran from BFZ in standard was Gideon.
Believable explanation:
The nerd said three HUNDRED dollars and anon just misremembered.
If his story is even in the realm of possibility, it was 30 years ago. Calm down.
>samegay damage control
lol
That was my first post, as indicated by the new ip.
Also a Beta Lotus was valued at ~$275 in Scrye issue #9 in October of 1995.
It actually is possible for people to make mistakes. It's okay. It's not a big deal.
>That was my first post, as indicated by the new ip.
>what is mobileposting
Okay dude.
Story guy knows so that's enough me.
Have fun.
old ass Legacy was kino, now MTG is trash
>MH2 with dual lands
I fricking hate pushed sets so god damn much
legacy and pauper are the only good formats, although premodern looks fun.
I think I saw your decks like 5 years ago mang, post something new
i haven't played in like a decade.
Funny this is still worded poorly and can lead to ambiguous interpretations.
You mean that there's no end state since the card makes you draw a card?
Yes. The whole thing is a mess because depending on how you want to interpret it, you could either draw infinite cards, draw extra cards during your start of turn draw phase, never draw a card (other than your first) if your hand is empty, etc.
I don't know who wrote this one but it's funny that an attempt to clarify is just as bad or possibly worse than the original.
Was the original really that bad in the first place? I just read it and unless I'm missing something major it seems pretty easy to understand.
Also, the only fault with the rewording is using the phrase "Natural" card draw. If the guy simply reused "Is this the first card drawn this turn?" then it would be fine.
The game effectively died with manaburn and damage on the stack, so 2010
damage on the stack was moronic
mana burn was cool tho
It made combat much more interesting and allowed for lots of cool tricks. You are moronic.
>allowed a lot of cool tricks
>attack
>damage on stack
>sac
wow
>Attack with Volrath's Shape Shifter.
>Sac a trampler
>Assign damage
>It's another creature, like Phage.
>Trigger goes on the stack
I know, these older interactions are lost on you outside Mogg Fanatic and Morphling
Cancer set in when they made Planeswalkers an actual card type.
Before the SJWs came for Crusade, White Jihad, Stone-Throwing Devils, etc
it's funny because nobody played those cards anyway.
I'd say magic was only ruined with the masters sets that made even modern a rotating format. That 2000$ deck you bought thinking it will hold value because it's eternal format? Worthless now, buy your masters boosters goy.
I only play Historic Artisan on MTGA (so I only play MTGA once every 6 months)
Magic cards look so plain and boring compared to Yugioh. Are they all commons?
I've fallen for the israeli shiny cardboard trick.
>he thinks ygo cards look good
homie are you 10
magic unironically has more complexity through simplicity vs yugioh's 'I search my deck 30 times on turn one until I get my giga rape creature that negates and destroys everything you do'
>Magic cards LOOK boring
>B-BUT MUH GAMEPLAY MUH MILLION SEARCHES
Why are all Magic the Pandering trannies so fricking moronic
literally every yugioh deck is:
same 6 broken ass cards from the early days you would be moronic not to run
suite of cards that essentially read - use this to search your deck for the next X type card that you use to search for your next X type card
yugioh decks build themselves
NO ONE IS DISCUSSING THE GAME MECHANICS YOU moronic TROON
FRICK I HATE MTGBlack folk
>YGHtards don't care for game mechanics
is this sabotage from an angry MTGer
nta Never played Yugioh in my life, but the same is for magic in eternal formats. Vintage is like the same 21 cards in every deck
vintage? yes
every other format? not really
This is completely irrelevant. No one plays Vintage, it may as well not exist as a format.
me and my friends literally only play vintage and commander. everything else is tryhard troon shit
vintage is literally the original tryhard troon garbage
The difference is in yugioh you have one format. In MTG I can just go play legacy, modern, pauper, or pioneer if I want a different eternal format.
In yugioh you either play vintage or nothing.
except this simply isn't true? there are ladders and casuals for goat and edison in addition to what is most recent. common charity is also a popular fan alt format. you're either moronic or baiting.
>Lists a bunch of fan formats
Even by your admittedly shit logic MTG still mogs the frick out of you in that department.
>Lists a bunch of fan formats
all historic formats are officially sanctioned under the time wizard umbrella. edison tournaments regularly hit participant caps at events. if you don't know what you're talking about you can just not reply and spare yourself the embarrassment.
Wizards would rather sell you a reprinted black lotus for 1k than use more glitter
Please be bait jesus christ
This is boring?
If it don't shine it's useless, son
magic literally has hundreds of different foil types, what are u on about moron
Then why every time I see them it's all commons?
Because only a yugioh autist would care enough to dig up and post foil variants of cards when it adds nothing to the discussion
See
Every MTG card, even the commons, can come in foil. Its not like yugioh where secret rares are always foil but commons can't be.
>But why don't I ever see pictures of them
Idk, but thats not really my problem.
>MTG “””rarities””” are just rainbow foil
>In the WHOLE card
Tell me you’re joking that looks cheap as frick
that's just 1 of em, you can look up the rest yourself if you care so much
Foil-etched cards look pretty nice.
Those aren't the rarities you moron
It's also a better system because you can get any deck in full foil if you want
Looks like the shitty fake cards you mistakenly bought as a kid because they were significantly cheaper than real ones
Lmao
Because scans of magic foils don't really show off the shinyness
Yes
I can't even tell what I am looking at
Doesn't matter, all you ever need to know is if your opponent puts it on the battlefield you lose. There's only one or two situations where you'd ever survive against an Emrakul hitting the board.
>>I can't even tell what I am looking at
That's the point, it's an Eldrazi.
>"I think cards from [japanese corporate scum] look more aesthetically pleasing than cards from [israeli corporate scum]"
>BUT YOUR GAME IS JUST SEARCH X TO SEARCH Y TO SEARCH Z TO SUMMON A TO SUMMON B TO SUMMON C TO-
I am convinced card game players are the biggest, least capable of reading comprehension, imbeciles in the world.
Obviously, magic players can't even read yugioh cards.
>being the equivalent of graphicsgays for tcgs
It all went down with "The Dark". Everything after that expansion was just more useless bloat and power creep.
Khans of Tarkir
Peak MTG is when Lorwyn rolled around. Everything was super fricking good AND original, from the art and flavor all the way to the new mechanics and new types of cards.
>lorwyn + alara
SOVL overload
alara will always be the GOAT for me
Excuse me, I'll be taking that, thank you.
What were your luckiest pulls, anon? When I played, I got foil Dack Fayden and foil Tarmogoyf (MM1).
Gentlemen, say hi to my card-wife.
this is my card wife (she is horny and looking to smash)
Why does it have bedroom eyes
What are some cool modern card series?
The modern Digimon cards look fantastic. I don't even play the game, just collect the cards.
They really need to make a video game for the card game soon.
Land based mana system means it was always shit.
The land system is magics greatest strength and biggest weakness.
Games without resource systems turn into FTK fests where you just tutor your entire deck (yugioh), while games with streamlined mana systems have to add made up arbitrary restrictions to deck building (hearthstone, runeterra).
Thats the upside to mana. The downside of course is every 10 games you're just gonna lose to mana screw/flood. So the question becomes if those other 9 games are worth it, and generally the answer is yes.
I feel like I have way more deck building freedom in magic than every other card game, by a landslide.
imagine paying millions for a piece of cardboard
If any anon in this thread replies to this thread claiming the best era was during or after planeswalkers were introduced, then I hope so much that they consider roping themselves. That would be all, thankyou.
>Hype up new card type
>Its just some weird enchantment/planeswalker hybrid with extra steps
>Have to slap ETBs on them to even see play
>Even then only a couple of them are even played.
>Proceed to leave them out in the LOTR crossover set, a series with iconic battles.
Also I'm sick of every single fricking card transforming. Text is getting to yugioh tier at this point.
Legendary Age:
Alpha - Ice Age
Bronze Age:
Chronicles - Scourge
Silver Age:
8th Edition - M10
Golden Age:
Zendikar - Dragons of Tarkir
Gilded Age:
Magic Origins - War of the Spark
Dark Age:
Throne of Eldraine - present
Nah, war of the spark was aids.
So many broken planeswalkers.
None of these Ganker clones ever work, they always flop.
>Yugioh gays are back in the thread
Worse than conslewar homosexuals.
We're always here.
I don't have any beef with Magic or other card games. I do wish Wizards/Hasbro would treat Magic players better though. Konami isn't much better, except for re-releasing much needed cards cheaply lately. Konami usually does some nice things and then some dumb things, so it kind of balances itself out.
Still waiting on my Yugioh Dragon Quest-like JRPG
the ygo thread is down the hall
B-but thats a Master Duel thread. I don't enjoy that game anymore because they kind of ruined it for me by bringing in everything modern too quickly. I'm just going to hang out in this thread instead.
Are there good Magic the Gathering video games?
most people play arena if they're looking to play online - even if the cardpool isn't anywhere near the full catalog, mtg online also exists and has pretty much all the cards but you gotta manually do everything and it's physically painful to look at.
Yugioh has ramped up its popularity mainly because its cheaper and Master Duel exists mogging every other digital ccg in the market.
I could argue its more popular than mtg now, but mtg only seems more popular because of all the secondaries playing as investors for children cards.
>get into magic
>its pretty fun
>get even further into it
>realise its a complete mess where your wallet size is a legitimate factor
>the company is raping it and destroying what little integrity it had left
>>>>>>
beyond are black border
>the playerbase are obese autists
>if you stop playing for just 2 months you are completely out of the loop
>the game design is atrocious the deeper you go
>>if you stop playing for just 2 months you are completely out of the loop
imagine playing rotating formats
I played standard for a bit and got out, then I switched to Pio
also the fact mirror and sheol STILL aren't banned means wotc cares more about sales than competition
mirror has been banned for months
>crying about sheoldred
shitter confirmed.
Every format soft rotates now with the power creep and sets like modern horizon.
play premodern
Like someone said in the same thread yesterday, everything pre-Kamigawa was the golden age.
Yeah ok homosexuals but I play an island and pass the turn
Ah frick, I concede.
pussy, the fricker only has one blue untapped. Just take your turn and play Ragavan, you did keep an aggressive hand against a blue player right?
I got into MtG with Worldwake
My favourite time was playing UB mill in standard during Innistrad, I actually won a few FNMs with it
By mill I mean it was UB control with Nephalia Drownyard btw
There's a new UB mill deck in modern which looks fricking awesome but I swore to myself that I'd never play MtG ever again after Khans
Khans of Tarkir was the peak.
It's all been downhill from there.
>opponent says "during your end step"
NO GET FRICKED I HATE IT
except when I do it, then it's really clever
based MTG enjoyer
Honestly, the courtesy involved in announcing plays is really neat. I wonder how many autists MTG has helped socially refine.
I don't know why people have such a huge problem with rotating formats. For one, there are formats that aren't rotating so you can just play those. Secondly, just like in other games that don't rotate (primarily yugioh), those metas change all the time due to powercreep. I'd rather have cards that maintain some value post-rotation rather than take a dive entirely because a new deck that is strictly better came out.
Also all the fun cards always maintain value because of EDH nowadays anyway
All of the expansions in the '90s to early-mid 2000s from Planeshift, Portals, to Ravnica City of Guilds (2005) unironically, when the setting was just about mysterious battle mages/planes-wizards with unbelievable power tapping into planes of reality in the omniverse of Dominaria/Dominia. Before the cancer of "hero" units.
Anon, everything was better and soulful in the '90s, not memeing or being ironic.
>Dominaria
>no "hero units"
nuPlaneswalkers are arguably less important to the story than the Weatherlight was. No character in Magic has had entire sets named after them like Urza did.
Urza's block was the best
OG Ravnica was the last good set
>you either play vintage or nothing
>point out this is patently false by every metric
>muh sperg out
argue the point, moron.