Where the frick is Ace Combat 8? Bamco needs to strike now when the iron is hot and everybody still remembers Top Gun.

Where the frick is Ace Combat 8?

Bamco needs to strike now when the iron is hot and everybody still remembers Top Gun.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Never ever.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Already in development

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Squadron mates with selectable planes when??? I'm tired of seeing them flying giga soulless F-15s or F-22s all the time

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Combined attack where the npc shake and you bake when?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't 6 have this?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it had and Shamrock was pretty useful to boot.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Before they do that they need to remember how to make them actually do something. All allies in 7 do is fly around watching you do all the work.

      Didn't 6 have this?

      Yeah. And 5 before that.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Ace Combat Zero
        >Mayhem mission
        >Pixy actually shot down like 25% of the enemy forces
        they don't make it like they used to

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >playing aci
      >team is two fighters
      >i switch to attacker to balance it, except the other guy has the same idea so he does too which means we're still unbalanced
      >i switch back to fighter to rebalance it, except, again, the other guy does too
      >i assume he's going to switch to attacker so i stay on fighter, but he thinks the same thing so he stays as well
      >1 second left on the timer so i switch to attacker, which is also what the other guy does
      >mission starts and our team is two attackers
      ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      lethal skies on the PS2 had it, its just that ace combat is the most basic flight game for tasteless casuals.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      f15 is best girl you filthy fricking casual.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone fricking hate the US/NATO planes?

    I unlock up to the F-15J (Japan) and I stop, it's all about SOVL Ruskie planes now.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mig-21 looks hilarious in cutscenes, I love thislittle fricker.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >AC7 Multiplayer
        >Cutscene with everyone in their 4th/5th/exp. gen fighters
        >Dinky fishbed
        >Spend whole round dodging despite higher threats on the field
        >This is every match

        Noone respects it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is multiplayer actually good? I never tried it

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hoping for coop and Conquest mode in AC8.

            Public lobbies are a complete mess most of the time.
            Pure PVP was a mistake.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's alright to play a few rounds, but you're going to get:
            >The occasional person teleporting everywhere
            >Dieing to missiles that passed you ages ago
            >QAAM/HCAA spam
            >Anyone half-decent with an EML completely shutting down matches if they're a homosexual

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >QAAM/HCAA spam
              More like 4AAM/6AAM/8AAM killstealers shitting missiles just outside of the furball like Macross planes

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            contrary to people believe, having Falken/Morgan doesn't guarantee you an MVP

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I think most people who play multiplayer are aware that the Falken and Morgan are some of the weakest DLC planes you can use

              What are the all around best dogfighters in AC7?
              Give me one from each branch, USA, Russians, the Euros.

              It's usually the ones at the end of their aircraft tree branches, the F-22, Su-57, and the YF-23
              But you can still easily supe up a plane from a lower tier like a Rafale and clean house with them
              Hell even the starting Fishbed and F-104 can be real monsters in the right hands
              The only planes that have trouble are Attackers like the A-10

              >I never see Arcade game gays being this insecure
              I've actually seen that kind of insecurity from arcadegays. I like simulators, and there have been multiple AC threads where I've received seething sim hatred posting simply because I dared to imply that it's a bit silly that one pilot in a wing of 5 craft does literally everything in every mission.
              I mean, wouldn't it be more fun even in an arcade sense if you actually had to compete for most splashes against your friendly AI pilots?

              Friendly AI used to be better, or at least it was able to work with the weightier flight model of both themselves and their enemies better
              There are mods for 7 now that crank up the AI's capabilities and you can actually get cucked out of winning because friendlies steal the score points you need, if that's your jam, though those mods usually come with other additions to balance that out

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >SOVL Ruskie planes
      they will certainly be garbage to play in the AC8

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I used to only fly american planes in 4, 5 and 6. Since then I've gotten bored of the F22, F35 etc, so It's Sukhoi planes all the time for me. I still make room for the F-14, I have a soft spot for that plane.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I used to only fly american planes in 4, 5 and 6. Since then I've gotten bored of the F22, F35 etc, so It's Sukhoi planes all the time for me. I still make room for the F-14, I have a soft spot for that plane.

      >he hasn't embraced euro doritos

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'd love to see a WW2 era Strangereal spin-off game. Same action arcade flight model but 20th century prop planes and early jets.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Go play crimson skies homosexual we want a sequel to Ace Combat 7

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The not-WW2 spin-off would be completely doable if they could release main titles more often than every 10 years.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      project aces did sky crawlers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ace Combat but guns/rockets/bombs only sounds pretty boring.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds to me like you don't know how to use guns. Learn to aim

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe you didn't consider that no missiles means no missiles for the enemy either. Imagine AC but enemies are guns only. Does that sound fun to you?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Seeing as they're trivial to deal with already, I don't see the problem. If you're having problems with missiles you suck at the game.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Okay, enjoy your game where the only danger enemies pose is that they might hit you for 1% damage so you don't get the no damage bonus. That sounds really exciting.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          AC's machine guns suck even if you can aim, that isn't even an argument. The only exception is 6, which almost no one has played, and the games that let you equip stat boosts to make it not suck. Project Wingman has faults but one thing they did right was make the MG (all 4 of them) actually fricking useful beyond dick-waving MG Only runs.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        PW says otherwise.
        also the amount of batshit insane fantasy WW2 technology you can do is not to be underestimated.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I love Shin Combat Choro-Q.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Brainlet opinion

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It was actually pretty good.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What game is that?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's called shit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            sky crawlers adaptation by project aces.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Ace Combat WW1/2 setting during the war between Belka and Osea
      >You play a Belkan

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        ME 262 Belkan
        God i need this

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          not a wehraboo but damn german planes are sexy

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hopefully fricking nowhere. Frick arcade games. I want a DCS like game without having to spend 500 bucks for a couple of planes.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I want a DCS like game
      Cringe

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The real cringe is seeing all those models and environments wasted on a plain moronic concept. Missiles magically refilling, planes pulling 30gs. I'm having a stroke just thinking about it.

        sim gays like you are built to be milked by devs, stop shitting up these threads and start dealing with that reality

        Don't project your spending habits on other people. I'm a simgay till the day i drop dead, and the most I've spent on a cash grab is 10 bucks on war thunder between 2014 and 2021. Money whales exists everywhere.

        Ok firstly have a nice day

        More fun than dcs

        I will but not cause you told me. And I'm objectively right. A sim game is infinitely more fun than an arcade one.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >And I'm objectively right. A sim game is infinitely more fun than an arcade one
          A sim is a sim, as in, not a game. "Having fun" with a simulator is like having fun with a spreadsheet.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Sure. Having fun driving a race car is like having fun compiling a spreadsheet. Same as flying a fighter jet. It's just excel with extra steps. Thanks for giving me brain damage.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, AC and AC-likes are basically air combat action games, their only similarity to DCS is that they have planes
              If you want a simulator, you've got plenty, just pirate some and fool around in them however you wish, but complaining about action arcade games not being sims is like complaining that the next Doom won't be some variety of MilSim.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You might actually be mentally impaired. Please don't post anymore.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                you first

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >trying to argue with DCSBlack person logically
                >engaging with DCSBlack person, at all
                First time in a Ganker ace combat thread?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >flying a fighter jet

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm having a stroke just thinking about it.
          Sorry to hear about your crippling autism

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          how about you spend your wallet and sorry life getting a pilot license instead of b***hing about an arcade game on indian weaving forum

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          this homie really just lurks the catalog until an ace combat thread appears, holy shit kys

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      sim gays like you are built to be milked by devs, stop shitting up these threads and start dealing with that reality

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ok firstly have a nice day

      More fun than dcs

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Good news. DCS is free.
      https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    need a game that takes place in the '80s and features jets that go back to thhe late 50s

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      An era with rear aspect only MSL... It would be fun as like a one off flashback mission

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        that sounds fine though, also there's still radar-guided missiles and lategame aircraft would get all-aspect IR missiles

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    PSVR2 pretty please. AC7 VR was excellent

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Dead series, hopefully.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What should they borrow from Project Wingman?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      viggen, talkative GIB, cannons feel nicer to use in PW

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Meaningful post-campaign content

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you're talking about the alternate arcade gamemode in PW right?
        felt like AC7 lacked something in comparison.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Something like that yeah. A simple mission generator would be a godsent.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you're talking about the alternate arcade gamemode in PW right?
            felt like AC7 lacked something in comparison.

            Hell, just add a second no-frills kill everything campaign. AC5 does that with its alternate arcade mode.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    We get it ACgays: you're too stupid to play simulators.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Probably the only one, but I think they could stand to do an extremely story-light, gameplay focused arcade style game: basically Air Combat again, but with all the gameplay improvements of the rest of the series.
      Go back to a completely vague, fast paced story where you're fighting "the enemy" over unnamed continents, and what little story context you even get is only in mission briefings. Maybe even make it so you're only armed with missiles again, and design the gameplay around that, and keep the same system of losing a plane completely after you crash it.
      and just go really wacky with the missions.

      What exactly is the problem with simulator gays? I never see Arcade game gays being this insecure

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Keep up that projection

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Y-Y-Y-You're the one insecure!

          Holy samegay, you c**t.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Y-Y-Y-You're the one insecure!

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He's obviously an ace combat fan baiting to keep the thread alive. Christ you people are dense.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Well I'm an Ace Combat fan, and I'm either playing along with the bait to keep the thread alive, or I *am* dense and I've fallen for it, also keeping the thread alive.
          All according to keikaku

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >fotm tranime
            >fotm zoomie game
            You're the perfect example of the target audience for these games.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That *would* approximate an insult if I actually liked either of those things, and weren't, on the contrary, insulting (You)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        DCSgay has been shitposting in AC threads for years now and he's repeatedly embarrassed in them at every turn
        It's a weird hybrid of Dunning-Kruger and sunk cost, it's an autism singularity
        The worrying thing is that you can tell that he's learning, usually he's broken out the webms or wienerpit pictures or the bara furry tiger porn by now

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's amazing that the mere possibility of more than a single individual criticizing the moronfest that is ac escapes you. You're so deep down that rabbit hole that you conglomerate the opinions of any sane physics enjoyer into a single made up identity, the "dcsgay". The acgays cope is real. Never mind the fact that it's been the same game since ac3.

          Remind to post this everytime DCSgay shows up

          Ace combat without the shitty arcade cabinet gameplay? Sign me up senpai.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            their egos are so huge they can't admit there might be multiple people who feel ill towards shit coombait

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I never see Arcade game gays being this insecure
        I've actually seen that kind of insecurity from arcadegays. I like simulators, and there have been multiple AC threads where I've received seething sim hatred posting simply because I dared to imply that it's a bit silly that one pilot in a wing of 5 craft does literally everything in every mission.
        I mean, wouldn't it be more fun even in an arcade sense if you actually had to compete for most splashes against your friendly AI pilots?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I dared to imply that it's a bit silly that one pilot in a wing of 5 craft does literally everything in every mission.
          Gosh it's almost like it's an arcade game anon

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I mean, wouldn't it be more fun even in an arcade sense if you actually had to compete for most splashes against your friendly AI pilots?

          You know what would be even more fun? Adding in the slightest amount of physics a la Aero Elite/Over G fighters so you actually have to worry about the fundementals of flight and get to use real energy based acm tactics.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          There's not much fun to be had in competing against bots

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but in my opinion it would be better than babysitting a handful of melodramatic anime caricatures who's job you're doing for them. Either have them actually fight, or be absent entirely.

            I think most people who play multiplayer are aware that the Falken and Morgan are some of the weakest DLC planes you can use
            [...]
            It's usually the ones at the end of their aircraft tree branches, the F-22, Su-57, and the YF-23
            But you can still easily supe up a plane from a lower tier like a Rafale and clean house with them
            Hell even the starting Fishbed and F-104 can be real monsters in the right hands
            The only planes that have trouble are Attackers like the A-10
            [...]
            Friendly AI used to be better, or at least it was able to work with the weightier flight model of both themselves and their enemies better
            There are mods for 7 now that crank up the AI's capabilities and you can actually get cucked out of winning because friendlies steal the score points you need, if that's your jam, though those mods usually come with other additions to balance that out

            >and you can actually get cucked out of winning because friendlies steal the score points you need
            Well that's not exactly the thing I'm going for, since the idea is to make it so that the player's character isn't the only one completing the mission. Because that's what the score supposedly is. A measurement of the completedness of the mission. It shouldn't matter who contributes how much as long as the total contribution passes the line. The post-mission screen shows the player's kills anyway, so if you want your score, there it is.

            >I dared to imply that it's a bit silly that one pilot in a wing of 5 craft does literally everything in every mission.
            you're talking about a franchise where not-Germany builds a stadium sized aircraft on every summer olympics

            That's Pete Hines' tier argument to support the exclusion of internal consistency in Fallout. "We have talking mutants, so you can't criticize something that makes no sense."

            Look at all of those seething replies, look at how secure they are lmao

            Now, don't be like that. It's been civil enough this time.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >I never see Arcade game gays being this insecure
              I've actually seen that kind of insecurity from arcadegays. I like simulators, and there have been multiple AC threads where I've received seething sim hatred posting simply because I dared to imply that it's a bit silly that one pilot in a wing of 5 craft does literally everything in every mission.
              I mean, wouldn't it be more fun even in an arcade sense if you actually had to compete for most splashes against your friendly AI pilots?

              >what do you mean a single guy can carry a platoon worth of ammo and massacre a whole battalion? this is unrealistic
              this is how stupid you sound like

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Ghost and Price do just as much killing as (You). In that mission you posted a side character is the one that captures the target, not (You). Find a better example.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >NPC killing as much enemy as player
                homie do you even play COD campaign?
                motherfrickers can't even kill each other standing 5 feet apart

                >a side character finished a mission in a cutscene
                is this supposed to be a gotcha? there's a lot of missions in ace combat where NPCs finished the mission

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >homie
                Don't ever reply to me again

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                not that anon, but
                "homie"

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >animal fricker mad being called a homie
                lmao Black person

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I have personally witnessed friendly NPCs killing multiple enemy combatants in Call of Duty games. I can't say the same for AC7. Pick a better example.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I can't say the same for AC7
                well it's easy if you never play the game
                because I have personally witnessed friendly NPCs shot down enemy aircrafts and ground targets in AC7
                it's even easier because the game always give you a debriefing on every end of mission

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >it's even easier because the game always give you a debriefing on every end of mission
                Sure, if you're counting your own kills manually on the side and then you can compare them to the debriefing tally, which only shows total kills and not the kills of specific pilots.
                Also, when you say that you've personally witnessed friendlies destroying targets in AC7, I will simply apply my own personal anecdotal evidence of never witnessing any, and thus I do not believe your claim.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                here you can see Clown shooting down an enemy target
                so not only you are wrong, you're also stupid, homie

                Wow, did you really just play the game to show me this? That the AI shot down one target by pure luck? The only target he will ever shoot down? Go back and find me some more targets loser.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >it's even easier because the game always give you a debriefing on every end of mission
                Sure, if you're counting your own kills manually on the side and then you can compare them to the debriefing tally, which only shows total kills and not the kills of specific pilots.
                Also, when you say that you've personally witnessed friendlies destroying targets in AC7, I will simply apply my own personal anecdotal evidence of never witnessing any, and thus I do not believe your claim.

                here you can see Clown shooting down an enemy target
                so not only you are wrong, you're also stupid, homie

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don't watch the debriefing animations since the actual replays exist. Does an X indicate a splash? If so then I concede that friendly kills can happen. I still have yet to experience it myself, and it also doesn't help that all of the dialogue from kills is only played after the player kills something.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Actually, frick it. I'm going to fire up Long Day and just fly around casually, just to see how much score my wingmen get.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, I have confirmed that the friendlies will not attempt to destroy any ground targets in Long Day on Hard difficulty. The mission ended prematurely in failure with 0 score, so no one did anythin, land or air.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You don't get points for allied kills in 7 so you'd end with 0 even if they were useful. Though I don't think they help in that mission anyway. They only try sometimes.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I dared to imply that it's a bit silly that one pilot in a wing of 5 craft does literally everything in every mission.
          you're talking about a franchise where not-Germany builds a stadium sized aircraft on every summer olympics

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The AI in starfox 64 shoot down planes and help you out. No one is supposed to ask why a modern arcade game over 20 years later can't do that too?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              They did in AC6 from what I remember.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              The AI in Ace Combat games shoot down planes and attack targets.
              Please play the games you're talking about.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No. They don't. This is some serious cope.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >n-no

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Lol, imagine being this much of a dense fan boy you can't even admit basic flaws if your game. Are you still a teenager or something? I would hope so, since that's the target audience of the series.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, I'll admit Ace Combat is a terrible series of flight simulator games, sure!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                If only every Ace Combat homosexual could be as open as you. Now on to the horrible music...

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Terrible flight simulator games, absolutely!
                Fantastic arcade games. Something which is especially worthwhile as arcade style games become more and more rare.
                In the comments for that track: "The attitude in this music is so positive and uncomplicated." and that's really the core of Ace Combat.

                Now please, do embarrass yourself trying to pick at Ace Combat's soundtrack, which are pretty much universally agreed to be incredible and one of the best things about the series.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The only AC game you played, if any at all, is 7 and it shows.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                So....you're admitting the latest AC game has non working friendly AI then? Which is the issue multiple people in the thread have brought up they don't like about it?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >you're admitting the latest AC game has non working friendly AI then?
                Yes. AC7 has tons of issues, AI being useless is one of them.
                >Which is the issue multiple people in the thread have brought up they don't like about it?
                You are being a disingenuous little c**t right now. No one who brought that up was talking about 7 specifically.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >You are being a disingenuous little c**t right now.

                That would be you. It's fairly obvious that the latest/newsest AC game is the one that people would be talking about, unless they specifically state otherwise. Indeed you are being purposely obtuse.

                But I expect nothing less from an ac troony fanboy

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Impressive mental gymnastics, but your arbitrary Ace Combat threads discussion rules aren't real. People talk about the older titles just as much, if not more.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              how about you put your command on Attack when playing the game

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Look at all of those seething replies, look at how secure they are lmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      DCSgay please go, you already got blown the frick out once.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What's really unrealistic is DCS threads on Ganker

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    my wife

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This was the only plane I unlocked in ACZ and I never needed anything else.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If a game featuring planes isn't a simulator then it's made for children and morons.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Where the frick is Ace Combat 8?
    Anon, development started last year
    It won't come out until at least late 2023

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They're delaying the game until late 2024 to siphon out more raw and undiluted Kobayashi soul.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >seething shit combat gays

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What are the all around best dogfighters in AC7?
    Give me one from each branch, USA, Russians, the Euros.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hope it'll be something similar to AC3 now that the timeline is closer and how we got AIs and drones into the story more.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    fighter jets are mostly dead in 2022 warfare modern armies are increasingly using drones these days.

    rip fighter jets

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Modern fighters are literally untouchable by modern drones so far, the only thing that can touch modern fighters are modern AA and those can be defeated with anti-radiation missiles

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Okay, Gründer shill.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's because almost all modern wars are superpower countries bullying smaller countries with no capable air force, while throwing sanctions left and right for other countries.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How do Ace Combat feel that if any other arcade flight series were still alive to this day they would leave Ace Combat in the dust? It's always the worst series that somehow lives on.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fine, considering Ace Combat is still around.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If the Airforce Delta series had a better flight model I think it would be remembered better. AFD Strike had an absolute shitton of content and an even more bonkers story than the AC games.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    In an alternate reality Crimson Skies is still alive and Ace Combat is dead, as it should be.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    he really does not like ace combat does he?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yea

      He's obviously an ace combat fan baiting to keep the thread alive. Christ you people are dense.

      is wrong. This gay has got a real problem.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sorry to tell you but there is at least one other person here who hates these games, probably three at max.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    every single day I thank jesus christ that I'm not german or a furry.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    does any other games on Ganker have a dedicated autist like DCSgay?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yea, there are a few

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently there's a guy called Barry who haunts that Final Fantasy MMO, or something
      And the less said about Pokemon autism the better

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Every game series discussed here has its own dedicated schizos now
      >Half-Life with Alf
      >Final Fantasy with Barry
      >Ace Combat with DCSgay
      >Souls games with pretty much everyone in it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just about every game on this dogshit board has a dedicated shitposter.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Halo and it's "My first FPS" schiz

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fallout has the Indian FO3 spammer and the one guy obsessed over New Vegas and trannies.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus, Ganker is so fricking dead that it's shitting on Ace Combat.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >people shit on bad games wtf is happening

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Remind to post this everytime DCSgay shows up

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      holy shit what the frick

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why does every sound like they're 16 years old

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        they're trying to emulate that soulful staple AC jank, that's why.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You can rightly say Ace Combat's dialogue is usually pretty hammy, but they have the excuse of being Japanese games, and things get lost in translation in communication between directors and VAs.
        This comes off like it's a western team, deliberately emulating the style of "western VAs being directed by a Japanese team", and apparently not as parody, but in an unironic attempt to copy Ace Combat's cheese and appeal to Ace Combat fans to boost DCS sales.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >but they have the excuse of being Japanese games, and things get lost in translation in communication between directors and VAs.
          I've never liked this kind of Metal Gear?! Engrish. Are there really people who unironically enjoy it when supposedly English-speaking characters are using a blatantly lazily translated Japanese language, with all the strange mannerisms and obviously too long words smashed in between sentences making them sound like nothing a person would really say?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >INVERTED is a newly founded studio that makes story campaigns for DCS WORLD.
      >By inverting hardcore, we wish to make the virtual fighter jet experience more accessible and "fun" while remaining true to the hardcore nature of a combat flight sim.
      >We want new players from other combat fighter genres to join the stage, taking their fighter pilot dream to the next level, experiencing the realistic flying characteristics of the jets while having a cinematic blast as they did in casual titles.
      >As an FAA private pilot myself, I enjoyed every minute in the sky as I did flying in DCS WORLD. However, there is the part of me that wishes for a "realistic", yet exciting and heroic experience in my favorite flight sim, DCS WORLD. This experience, is Rising Squall.
      >Rising Squall is a story campaign based on the F/A-18C Hornet module. The story is based on the INVERTED World. It is an alternate universe that very much resembles our world, with civilizations, countries, and political interests being different. We have built the story and characters from scratch with great emphasis on both the big picture of national conflicts and small parts of personal discords.
      >To spice things up, we are fortunate enough to have Keiki Kobayashi, the main composer of ACE COMBAT series, as the composer of our original soundtrack, which contains 10 original pieces exclusive for Rising Squall. We think these pieces make the gameplay much more heart-pumping and exciting, bringing a fresh experience to DCS WORLD.

      This is too much. This level of autism is starting to make me wonder if DCS gay is on the dev team

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Based "DCSgay" if true.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Look I just feel sorry for you man.
          There's better, more obvious ways to get your game to have broader appeal, if that's what you're after, than trying to siphon off Ace Combat fans into your game by shitting up Ace Combat threads.

          There's also no need for some artificial tension between Ace Combat and DCS. I respect DCS as a sim game.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Take your medication

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >winter 2020
      So did it ever come out?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >2020
        Yes, it costs $19.99
        But you need the F/A-18 Hornet ($79.99), Persian Gulf map ($49.99) and its recommended you have Supercarrier ($49.99)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Holy fricking shit I thought you were joking about those prices.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >ace combat players migrated to DCS and made a campaign in it and gave up playing ace combat

      How is this supposed to be a knock against DCS? I didn’t get it

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      “5th generation fighter”

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        cmon give her a chance, she the youngest one to take it to the skies.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I’m only referring to the name the Su-57 got in the movie, which is pretty funny imo. But at the same time, it happened too in AC7

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            that's not the SU-57, that's the KF-21 boramae

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              My bad, the nose and the flatness gave it an Su-57’s front profile for me tho

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >f22 end splitting the round engine nozzles
          horrible design choice, it looks weird

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      how would it compare to an F35?

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You'll hate me for saying it but these wouldn't feel like Ace Combat threads without DCSgay's seething. The affirmation that he's constantly on the prowl for AC threads to shitpost in keeps my mind at ease.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, seeing this Rising Squall trailer for the first time puts everything into perspective. I too am growing to appreciate DCS-kun's autism

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    oh my god DCS gay is totally on the dev team
    le pinned comment
    >Hi Everyone,
    >Thank you guys so much for your words and support, we deeply appreciate them!
    >We have been watching your comments and voices on different platforms. Although we wanted to leave many things until we publish the gameplay trailer in about 2 weeks.
    >We will address "a few" elephants in the room here so we can all have less confusion/rumor.
    >Now, shall we start?
    >1. INVERTED is NO way in any form affiliated with Project Ace. The only thing common being that we approached Mr. Kobayashi, introduced our project and asked him if wanted to take it. Very fortunate for us, he did, and the result is EPIC. You will be able to hear a few more pieces in trailers to follow.
    >2. RISING SQUALL is NOT Ace Combat, sorry to disappoint those who may have wanted a campaign of infinite missiles and invincible planes, this is not it. For us, that is not DCS either.
    >Realistic FM and avionics are mandatory. We had other ways to make it much easier for new players, don't worry, but turning DCS a casual shooter is not what we are here for, stay tuned for that. Rising Squall's story is original and written in-house. We think to say that it is a "copy-cat" of ACE COMBAT's story is quite unfair for our main writer as he had no previous AC experience. Of course, some may argue that the names sounded familiar.
    FRICKING EXUSIA LMAO
    >A few factors contributed to this, there are names such as 'Golem' in there as an easter egg for AC players, but "it", like easter eggs in other games, won't play a big role in the story or campaign.

    There's even more, and it's the same style of tsundere autism as DCS gay. He's 100% a DCS shill

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So can we all agree AC3 had the best villain(s) other than le wacky captain Torres?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I want to fug Mihaly's daughters.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He sort of wins by default, most AC antagonists either aren't really villains (Yellow 13 and Pixy are just you, but wrong) or just suck (Hamilton, The Generals, Navarro).

      I want to fug Mihaly's daughters.

      Of course Dr. Schroeder posts on Ganker.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >or just suck
        did you know i was sold into slavery as a child soldier?
        that's not relevant to anything i just felt like letting you know that while we're dogfighting

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Diplomat would've prevented this

          Okay, I have confirmed that the friendlies will not attempt to destroy any ground targets in Long Day on Hard difficulty. The mission ended prematurely in failure with 0 score, so no one did anythin, land or air.

          Allied score doesn't contribute to your score
          The two missions where it's most obvious are the ones where the friendly AI is scripted to at least attempt a kill on an enemy target
          In Fleet Destruction, Wiseman knocks out a structural support if you don't after a certain amount of time, which normally would net you a decent amount of points but doesn't if he gets it
          In Unexpected Visitor, Count will eventually do enough damage to an enemy ECM and say a few lines about it to clue you in that it's indeed possible (something that I assume exists for the -CASUAL- EASY crowd), but you don't get any points
          Friendly AI will shoot at air and (rarely) ground targets but their damage levels are so gimped it may as well not happen at all, but as mentioned earlier there are mods that prove they do damage, and some of those mods adjust said damage to make them actually contribute to fights

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Friendly AI will shoot at air and (rarely) ground targets but their damage levels are so gimped it may as well not happen at all
            Yeah I just did Charge The Enemy, and two dozen times friendlies were shooting the the ground targets. The same target in the middle was hit about 6 times without it being destroyed. None of the five helicopters were shot at. So, the friendly AI does shoot at the mission objective targets, but they don't contribute to the gameplay since they can't destroy anything.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I am not DCSBlack person but he does have a point that, at least in 7, the AI is extremely neutered compared to Zero, 6 and PW (which is the game that did it best imo)
    Maybe it's by design to evoke feelings of 4's PILOT JESUS DO EVERYTHING but still
    Arguing that it isn't because one of your eight wingmen get a kill over the course of a thirty minute long mission is disingenuous as frick
    That being said frick dcsBlack person

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      sensible post ignored because veddit would rather shitfling

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the real problem here is that everyone agrees with it so nothing needs to be said.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >That being said frick dcsBlack person
      You could have started with that

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm about to cry laughing
    Without irony, I wish DCS-kun the best. I hope you can eventually see the appeal of the Ace Combat series, and I wish your game great success: both Rising Squall and DCS proper.
    I think right off the bat, some critiques: having Keiki Kobayashi do your soundtrack IS very cool, the song in the trailer is neat. However, if I were in charge of the project I'd probably completely re-record the dialogue and try to westernize it. Some Ace Combat easter eggs are fine, but I'd rename Exusia. The reason: Ace Combat games are partly attempting to emulate the style of western movies like Top Gun and even movies that aren't related to fighter planes: there's a bit of Full Metal Jacket in Ace 7, there's arguably a bit of James Bond in the series' superweapons, Ace 3 seems to take influence from Ghost in the Shell, and I'm sure bigger movie and Ace Combat fans than I am could come up with more examples.
    Also, I think Ace Combat is aiming to appeal to a global audience. It *is* trying to appeal to as many people as it can. Rising Squall will not do well if it's attempting to appeal only to Ace Combat fans, you should, like Ace Combat, be aiming to appeal to a general audience: of course without compromising your teams goals and your vision.

    Personally, as someone who doesn't have the time to devote to learning to play a realistic flight sim, I could very much enjoy a realistic flight sim game with the premise of being a flight school for ace pilots, like in the original Top Gun. The game could be set at an airbase, with the player being taught the ropes and learning the intricacies of the flight sim, with fun and cheesy antics at the base.

    I could go on, but basically, good luck DCS-kun.
    "Stick with Trigger and you'll make it" is something I'll say not to be cute, but genuinely I think if you keep paying attention to Ace Combat, you'll figure out why people like it. Really, genuinely, I wish you the best

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >getting your jimmies so rustled by facts you start typing all that
      tldr
      there are more than one person ITT shitting on gayce gaybait

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Please actually read it, DCS-kun

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Acgays seethe is unreal, all it takes is a couple of dudes saying "ac gameplay sucks" and they will come in droves with their dcsgay conspiracy theory.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        they'll type you up a story to sooth their baby brains too

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They went back into the whiteboard and tried to implement g-force mechanics.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ain't there maverick dlc for 7?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >heh i'll post a youtube link that'll show him

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I seriously have tears in my eyes
      Funniest shit I've seen in months

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Go see a doctor weirdo

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I might genuinely be having a heart attack
          Finally, sweet rela

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >1 minute posts in between his schizo ramblings
    Pretty obvious lmao

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      meds, now.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Pixy but he is SEETHING at your very existence
    What a guy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >entire character arc is him trying to cope that he isn't the MC
      amazing gaem

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is DCSgay the Crimson One of Ace Combat threads?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, he's too cute

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No he's not, he's German and into barashit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >german
            Well that at least explains the weaponized aitism
            What's wrong with them

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I just mean the fact that he's apparently on the DCS dev team and is so tsundere for Ace Combat. Idk about his personal life

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              He has nothing to do with the DCS team and he genuinely hates Ace Combat, he's just an autistic loser.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No, the autism is too similar.
                Read the description and the pinned comment. I'm 80% sure DCS gay is like their social media manager or something.

                Anyway, whether or not it's true, it's funnier to believe and meme that it's true

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Are you sure you're not the shill? You've been forcing this discussion with this DCS fan expansion for a while now.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                At this point, frick it, I am. I don't even play DCS, and probably never will, but this is cheese kino

                I can't believe all this for some kind of salty runback on Ace Combat

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't even play DCS
                You should. It's free

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                and better than ace combat

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Nah.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No thanks. I don't have a flight stick, a good gaming PC, or the money to spend on DCS, and I'm currently playing Electrosphere. If I can fix my PS2 I'm hoping to replay Ace 4 too.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >and I'm currently playing Electrosphere
                thats the one with tranime absolutely disgusting

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >simautist is also a moronic tourist
                Huh

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Its worth getting Flaming Cliffs 3 on sale if you get a decent PC. It was $15 and you get a bunch of decent planes. The free plane (Su-25 Frogfoot) has some pretty fun weapons systems to play around with, but its not very agile

                war thunder
                it has the tomcat
                play it now

                Weird looking F-14

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                what are you talking about comrade?
                this is a totally normal F-14 tomКoт
                i love eating burgers and freedom!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I really hope we get a second game and another wso waifu

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Prez is overrated.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No. We need more cute girls in our combat flight action video games.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree and Prez doesn't even have a visual appearance other than a helmet anyway.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I liked the part where he cried like a little b***h

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      HAHAHHAHA

      >Pixy but he is SEETHING at your very existence
      What a guy

      the only good thing about him was that he was taken aback by diplomat basically calling him a gay in that one mission.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >DCSchad in the namebox

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        There was a brief period where he would post comics using screenshots from some Jake Gyllenhaal film of "himself" beating up some guy who played Ace Combat
        The guy is in his own world, engaging with him at this point is worthless

        Is DCSgay the Crimson One of Ace Combat threads?

        Crimson One at least had the backing of his peers up until he nuked Presidia, DCSgay has been kicked out of every general and board that had him around

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    for me, it's the AWACS

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      nobody asked honestly

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you did. i heard it from beyond visible range.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How are the AWACS always consistently great?

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    war thunder
    it has the tomcat
    play it now

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm about to cry laughing
    >Without irony, I wish DCS-kun the best. I hope you can eventually see the appeal of the Ace Combat series, and I wish your game great success: both Rising Squall and DCS proper.
    >I think right off the bat, some critiques: having Keiki Kobayashi do your soundtrack IS very cool, the song in the trailer is neat. However, if I were in charge of the project I'd probably completely re-record the dialogue and try to westernize it. Some Ace Combat easter eggs are fine, but I'd rename Exusia. The reason: Ace Combat games are partly attempting to emulate the style of western movies like Top Gun and even movies that aren't related to fighter planes: there's a bit of Full Metal Jacket in Ace 7, there's arguably a bit of James Bond in the series' superweapons, Ace 3 seems to take influence from Ghost in the Shell, and I'm sure bigger movie and Ace Combat fans than I am could come up with more examples.
    >Also, I think Ace Combat is aiming to appeal to a global audience. It *is* trying to appeal to as many people as it can. Rising Squall will not do well if it's attempting to appeal only to Ace Combat fans, you should, like Ace Combat, be aiming to appeal to a general audience: of course without compromising your teams goals and your vision.
    >Personally, as someone who doesn't have the time to devote to learning to play a realistic flight sim, I could very much enjoy a realistic flight sim game with the premise of being a flight school for ace pilots, like in the original Top Gun. The game could be set at an airbase, with the player being taught the ropes and learning the intricacies of the flight sim, with fun and cheesy antics at the base.
    >I could go on, but basically, good luck DCS-kun.
    >"Stick with Trigger and you'll make it" is something I'll say not to be cute, but genuinely I think if you keep paying attention to Ace Combat, you'll figure out why people like it. Really, genuinely, I wish you the best

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Exusia
      is this a fricking joke

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's real

        Really puts DCS-kun's autism in perspective

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Rising Squall will only be bought by plane autists as it requires a $80 plane and a $50 terrain to play. They know their audience. 99% of DCS gays I've met love Ace Combat

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the thing that DCS-kun is missing about Ace Combat is that Project Aces seems to have some people with an understanding of some alchemical ideas.
    There's a spiritual component to the Ace Combat series.

    I'm actually impressed by this attempt to copy the style

    but there is a burning core that electrifies the Ace games

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Do you ever just shut up the frick up take your medication

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >OIP.mM--5gDfK0if-ifUBh_QaAHaLB.jpg

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Should I be using 1.7 nightly to emulate the AC games? I finished 4 last night, but I'd like to be able to play the games not in software mode without emulator glitches out the ass. I mean, if I have to use software then I don't really care, but software looks noticeably worse on AC5 compared to 4.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this moment right here
      pure unfiltered ludo

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Shut up moron

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          shut up moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's actually how it's meant to look Mr. Detective, that plane and the UI font are just really wide

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >leading Mobius team with Su-37

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        put it this way.
        russia and china wins ww3 and you're a pilot protecting your country's last hope, suddenly a large squadron consisting of SU-57's close in being lead by an f-22. ultimate mind frick.

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    literally in development the last 2 years

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ace Combat fans, I would highly recommend you play Air Combat/Ace Combat 1 if you haven’t. It’s a great little energetic game.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >i recommend you to play the first game in the series you like
      look at this moron

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody has played or talks about Air Combat.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I just played it a few days ago! Fantastic little game.
          It’s a short easy game, good to just pick up and play. Left me feeling refreshed.
          Came from a more optimistic, simpler time

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Well, a lot of people in these threads do act like 4 is the first game in the series.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That's not true, everyone sucks off AC3.
          However, a lot of people in these threads do act like AC2 is the first game in the series.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm gonna keep ignoring Air Combat because I don't want to play it. Earliest I'll go is Ace Combat 2.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The PS2 games are still what people think about, though. You ask about remasters of the old games and people will start talking about the PS2 ones without even thinking about the first three. Same for emulation.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              AC2 and AC3 at least get acknowledged.

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    pretty sure it's just a su-27 beneath

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >shit gay ass frick combat 1

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    being in this thread has been causing me pain, but I hope you guys are having a good night. Even the trolls.
    If we’re at least united in our love of cool airplanes, that’s something I’ll value while things are difficult.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      god you talk like such a homosexual i bet youre the one who typed up that wall of text too

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want to see Ace Combat game set 100 years ago

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      With co-op biplane dogfighting with turrets.

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that DCS and AC are just two faces of the same coin and that this gay drama is being forced by the online equivalent of middle aged housewives and should be treated as such.
    Now post planes.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's being forced by the DCS gay. Ace Combat fans wouldn't care about DCS otherwise, and there are nice Ace Combat threads when he doesn't show up.

  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm bored of F-22s. The next game had better have a different cover plane. And by that I mean a MiG-35 because I like Fulcrums because I'm an idiot with brain damage that makes me like trash planes or something.
    Seriously though don't make it an F-22 please. There are already like seven games with them as the cover plane. Enough already.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >read your post
      >wonder why there isn't a 6th generation they could use
      >remember why
      warfare will never be kino again, will it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        as a coldwargay dogfighting and insane warfare really peaked with WW2.

        aerial warfare really has just become too fast and complex for our our senses to comprehend.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Does Ukraine use MiG-35? Because that's the only way you're getting a Russian plane on a cover in the current climate

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Fricking nobody uses it. The Russian air force ordered a tiny amount because I guess they felt obligated to buy at least some, but nobody else wants it. Which is reasonable because Fulcrums are shit.

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