I've never played a command and conquer game but I want to buy one in the spring sale.
Which game ist the best one?
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Which Command and conquer game to get?
Start with Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge.
keep seething motroony
I hate MOchinks as much as you do but come on, base RA2 is actually alright. YR is an absolute mess though, avoid unless you just want more of RA2 with a side plate of mind control bullshit to it.
Buy the remastered collection if its on sale. Ignore the other guy, he works for Seth.
Start with Tiberran Dawn + add-on
then RA1 with add-oons
then Tiberian Sun + FS
then RA2 + YR
*Tiberian Dawn
>then RA1 with add-oons
Spin-off.
>Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge
>then RA2 + YR
Spin-offs of a spin-off.
>in b4 muh formula
No.
>tib twilight is unironically not bad either
Yeah, for a pile of shit.
Tiberian Dawn, Red Alert, and their expansions are freeware but need patches for widescreen and that kind of stuff unless you want to pick up the Remaster.
Tiberian Sun and its expansion is also freeware and even has a client that gets updated:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/tiberian-sun-client
Red Alert 2, Generals, Tiberium Wars, and their expansions are not freeware but you can find their isos on Archive.org if you don't to fork cash over to EA.
Play Tiberian Dawn and the original Red Alert for a good understanding of the series' history, as Seth once said:
>Before you can truly shape the future, you must first possess the past.
Tiberian Sun and Firestorm continues the main story and introduces many interesting elements in an apocalyptic world devasted by tiberium and is well-known for its atmosphere.
Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge unlike its predecessor has no bearing as a prequel to the Tiberian series or make any reference to it as such but is all-around good fun.
Generals divorces itself from C&C's MCVs and switches over to command centers and individual construction units but is still a fun game albeit lacked the series' signature cinematics until Zero Hour introduced the reporters for each faction.
Tiberium Wars is alright but lacks a lot of elements from Tiberian Sun which raises some questions Kane's Wrath tries to answer, story has its problems.
Not played Red Alert 3 in a long time to say anything about it and nobody plays Tiberian Twilight.
You should just get the Remaster if you just want something to buy during the sale.
>Spin-Off.
The original Red Alert was intended as a prequel to Tiberian Dawn so I wouldn't consider it a spin-off but is not necessary to understand the events of Dawn or the later Tiberian story.
>Spin-offs of a spin-off.
Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge are proper spin-offs and make no reference to the Tiberian elements present in their predecessor.
>The original Red Alert was intended as a prequel to Tiberian Dawn so I wouldn't consider it a spin-off but is not necessary to understand the events of Dawn or the later Tiberian story.
Unless you're trying to claim that time travel, bullshit as it already is, also changes trajectories of asteroids and planets, then no.
I already said it's not necessary to understand the events of Dawn or the later Tiberian story as Red Alert and its concepts of time travel aren't referenced by Westwood's Sun or EALA's Wars, if you don't care for it fine. But like it or not as it's presented it's a prequel where Kane and the Brotherhood of Nod are present and even the foundation for GDI's formation is referenced. And I was not suggesting that Einstein's meddling had any effect on the arrival of tiberium.
We'll ignore those ideas that Incursion and Renegade 2 might've had if Westwood was permitted to exist a little longer.
Okay, so you're saying that somewhere in RA2 the Tiber river bed impact happens. Just because Kane is in the ending cinematics of RA1.
>the Brotherhood of Nod are present and even the foundation for GDI's formation is referenced
Elaborate.
>Elaborate.
A reporter for the Allied Information Network that Generals Esling and Stavros is watching after Greece is taken over by the Soviets mentions this:
>Reacting to this latest assault, Allied diplomats led the United Nations in a 281 to 7 vote, that in approving a unique military funding initiative aimed at increasing global Allied support. This proposal calls for the formation of a global defense agency to be temporarily established in an as-yet unnamed European capital.
I'm assuming after the war this agency was Special Operations Group Echo, Black Ops 9 which eventually became the Global Defense Initiative.
RA1 takes place in 50s and RA2 in like 70s. It would be still possible for the tiberium meteor crash in the 90s as scheduled without changing anything else.
Ultimately nothing came out of it and Renegade 2 never happened so it's headcanon, but there is no inconsistently where time travel effects asteroids.
Yeah, I've realized later that I was wrong in placing RA2's time period.
Still doesn't explain how neither the canon victor, Allies, nor the canon loser, commies, have a single trace of tesla tech or chronosphere tech, how the Allies-supposedly-turned-GDI just dropped nukes completely and went for an extremely expensive and completely new territory of orbital ion cannons, why time travel tech isn't #1 priority on Kane's list because for someone like him it's an "I win" button and that's just thinking about it for a few minutes.
to this latest assault, Allied diplomats led the United Nations in a 281 to 7 vote, that in approving a unique military funding initiative aimed at increasing global Allied support. This proposal calls for the formation of a global defense agency to be temporarily established in an as-yet unnamed European capital.
This is typical diplomatic speak. They could have been talking about NATO just as easily.
>I'm assuming
Here's your problem. good luck with your fan fiction.
>Still doesn't explain how neither the canon victor, Allies, nor the canon loser, commies, have a single trace of tesla tech or chronosphere tech
One of the side effects of using the chronosphere was the creation of the chrono vortex which limited its use, it was not a perfect technology in the original Red Alert.
Nothing to say on Tesla weapons.
>how the Allies-supposedly-turned-GDI just dropped nukes completely and went for an extremely expensive and completely new territory of orbital ion cannons
That one seems self-explanatory.
>why time travel tech isn't #1 priority on Kane's list because for someone like him it's an "I win" button
Because the chronosphere was a teleportation device not a time machine.
>This is typical diplomatic speak. They could have been talking about NATO just as easily.
Global defense is a bit on the nose but I see you're meaning.
>Here's your problem. Good luck with your fan fiction.
You mean Westwood's fan fiction?
GDI isn't just Allies-supposedly-turned. Remember that GDI's coalition and sphere of influence includes most of the USSR as well. The usual take on it is that after the events of RA1, there was a divergence in timelines from Nod's meddling that fully pacified the USSR/Russia into becoming a member of the UN, treaties and bans imposed on utilization and research of nuclear weapons, chronotech and tesla fields to uphold this peace aren't too difficult to abstract. GDI doesn't just have Mammoth tanks because Allies canonically won the war, they willingly joined and shared the technology for it.
>but RA2
It's a literal caricature game with teleporting infantry that can delete buildings from timelines and giant blimps that don't pop like balloons from anti-air missiles. Come the frick on.
>treaties and bans imposed on utilization and research of nuclear weapons, chronotech and tesla fields to uphold this peace aren't too difficult to abstract.
Ah, but of course. Not only Kane himself is exactly the type to follow all and any agreements and treaties to the letter, but also the various Nod factions would never, ever, under any circumstances use evil world war tech against their best buddies, the GDI. And vice versa. As I said, have fun with your fanfic, and stop samegayging.
>>but RA2
>It's a literal caricature game
Unlike "time travel"? Pfft.
>can delete buildings from timelines
>there was a divergence in timelines from Nod's meddling
Bruh.
>and giant blimps that don't pop like balloons from anti-air missiles. Come the frick on.
Giant ants.
>Giant ants.
Dinosaurs.
This guy is right.
You are a fricking mongoloid. RA2 was a fun game but the story went to hell here. Largely thanks to EA.
>This guy is right.
>The usual take on it is
>there was a divergence in timelines
>aren't too difficult to abstract
Stop samegayging.
>everyone I don't like is the same person
meds, now
baka
Anon, you start with RA2 because it's a good game. You aren't playing this series for the narrative.
RA2 is cool, he can also try cookie Ride VR.
kanes wrath, tib twilight is unironically not bad either
Tiberian Sun imo. It just has such a nice comfy mood to it I think. And fantastic music.
Tiberium sun
It depends on what you're looking for in terms of your first C&C game. If you want to understand the setting and get the most from the series then C&C (either remastered or the original now freeware version) is a solid starting point even if the missions are showing their age a little these days imho. The remastered version adds a bunch of QoL improvements that make it worth the $5 it costs on sale, but it isn't an essential version by any means and the original game is still entirely playable. You can then head to Tiberian Sun + Firestorm which are even better before deciding whether to start the Red Alert trilogy or wrap up C&C by playing through 3 and Kane's Wrath (which are also on Steam unlike TS+FS).
Alternatively if you're just playing for the gameplay I'd probably start with Red Alert 2 as it's a great stand alone entry point that doesn't require any knowledge of the series. Then you can go back to C&C1/RA1 to see where it all started.
C&C Generals and C&C3 are both great in their own ways as far as I'm concerned but they made some changes to the formula. Generals doesn't have MCVs and has call-in abilities that can be kinda busted, while 3 has infantry units in squads that deal less damage as they take damage. Both definitely worth playing but I'd start with either C&C Remastered or RA2 before playing them to be honest
>C&C Generals
>Generals
>C&C
Do we really need to do this again?
If you can withstand gen 1 RTS jank start here
>C&C Remastered (contains both C&C 1995 and Red Alert 1)
If you cannot handle that, start here (wouldn't hurt to read the synopsis of the first two first)
>Tiberian Sun and the Firestorm expansion
>Red Alert 2 and the Yuri's Revenge expansion
>optional: Renegade if you want a FPS as an intermission
>Generals and the Zero Hour expansion
>Red Alert 3
>C&C 3 and the Kane's Wrath expansion
And stop there, do not play C&C4.
>Renegade
Personally, I'd recommend anyone who wants to play it to use these mods:
https://www.moddb.com/games/cc-renegade/addons/gdi-sand-camo-skin-pack
https://www.moddb.com/games/cc-renegade/addons/nod-urban-camoflauge-skin-pack
Visually improved my experience replaying the campaign somewhat, can't say it helped with anything else.
Play the latest one C&C4. It's got the most up to date gameplay. Really fun game, I loved it!
have a nice day.
Why?
Because C&C4 isn't a C&C game. Its a shit MOBA-type originally designed as a C&C3 spin-off for chinks and EA decided to push it as a full release in the series. Recommending it as a C&C game is disingenuous because C&C4 threw out almost every gameplay formula that the franchise was built on.
Sir, this is not r/commandandconquer
Please, take your cadmium mammoth tank figure and leave immediately
Eh whot? Are you on the dope, son? Or does the EAIDF seriously operate on /vst/, too?
You are continuing to feed a very dumb troll with replies.
moron this is a thread where op asked what C&C game to play. Or can you not follow along?
C&C4 was a daring and innovative game, it was my favourite of the series, shame it wasn't more popular. Cool storyline too!
Low quality bait
Bad anon, no (You)s!
It's okay C&Cfriends I am just fricking with you. C&C4 was a godawful unholy abomination beyond redemption.
>beyond redemption.
The sad part is if it wasn't such a low-effort, buggy, crash-prone MMO-like cashgrab, it could've been a decent game unrelated to C&C. Fun, even.
There is a small redemptive bit, it can be pulled apart for assets (and modders already did just that).
Almost all of those assets don't fit with others, like C&C3 assets. So the mods they shove those things into look like shit anyway.
I rather dislike it when the mastodon is used in place of the mammoth mk. II.
Pretty much. Mastodon is somewhat serviceable as a separate unit but I'd still prefer if it wasn't present at all. I think TE is the only mod that has models from the accursed one that fit, and even then they are not quite perfect for it.
>mastodon
There is no Mastodon along with there being no C&C4
Never will be acknowledged due to being overwhelmingly bad from gameplay to story.
It was supposed to be the grand finale and it all ended with a whimper.
Wait until zoomers in 10 years or so will start trying to rewrite history by claiming it isn't shit because they grew up playing it or similar trash.
Isn't like every modern wienercum fan tries to do so? Like NoStringsPrd, Jethild and others
Despite how much they hate it, from gameplay, story, music and design, whenever they try to rewrite C&C4 story or make their own version of C&C4, they always incorporate it almost completely with little to no changes.
It was never stated in C&C3 why Kane needs alien towers, maybe he wants them to mutate all life on Earth, as he tried in Tiberian Sun by using World Altering Missile. Only C&C4 stated that Kane is an ancient alien who wants to leave the Earth using alien tower and Brotherhood goes into space with him. And now whenever someone says that he can write story better than that in C&C4, he just takes C&C4 story, deletes crawlers and wife subplot, adds units from Tiberian Sun, and up from that point everything goes just like in C&C4 but with aliens actually arriving in the end just to be curbstomped by GDI, Nod, Mutants and maybe CABAL (depends on the writer)
>Isn't like every modern wienercum fan tries to do so?
A what fan?
>Like NoStringsPrd, Jethild and others
I have no idea who they are.
>C&C4
Was never made, thankfully. Imagine the atrocity cynical suits at EA could have vomited into the unsuspecting world.
>that Kane is an ancient alien
Was strongly implied several times throughout the games. More so regarding the "alien" part specifically in TW, which is secondary canon.
It's been 13 years since Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight came out, and community still wasn't able to came up with a funny joke since then, all you can do is to gurgle on EA's balls while simultaneously saying "haha c&c 4 does not exist"
>A what fan?
He's just being a homosexual.
I don't care care about Twilight or your YouTuber, anon.
But you care
Care enough to talk and argue about the game that is in your own words does not exist
I haven't made a reply in this thread saying Twilight doesn't exist, not the same anon.
Verification not required.
Nothing after Tiberian Sun exists in any meaningful way with regards to story. RA2 was fun but that's when the plot took a less serious more campy tone and went to shit. Generals was it's own thing, was decent and unrelated to Tiberian or red alert universe's, shockingly good from EA. Everything else was trash and for all intents and purposes does not exist.
Kane bleeds red several times, he's a pretty humanoid alien if true...
Also any storyline after Tiberian Sun can be discarded because everything EA did on their own was fricking trash.
He also survives dying and doesn't age at all.
Starting strength + GOMAD
Implying zoomers will do this. The game was so bad people don't play it except the few oddfolks.
Yeah I know that part. But seriously that's true with the beta testers? Frick.
Yep, they saw no problems whatsoever with the game during the testing period, and only sometimes were asking EA to make it slightly more like C&C3
>and only sometimes were asking EA to make it slightly more like C&C3
Whoever those testers were should be fed to friggin Viceroids.
>make it slightly more like C&C3
Should've told them to make it more C&C3 than C&C3 was. Then the game would've sold.
These people were, and some of them are still prominent members and community leaders of C&C "community", famous mod developers, content creators and people behind various well known and popular C&C related websites and forums.
So righteous about hating C&C 4 and telling that this game does exist and proud because they were amongst the first who started hating it and joking that the game does not exist.
But they were the ones who were invited by EA to participate in beta-test for their popularity and achievements in community even back then, they were the ones who during beta-test said nothing bad about the game, they were the ones who gurgled on EA's balls all the way through the development hoping to get hired, they are the ones who currently ready to protect every EA's action, still hoping to get hired, they are the ones telling community to buy mediocre remaster that costs 10 or 8 dollars at best and not 20, they are the ones telling community to give rivals or any upcoming mobile garbage a try
Maybe they knew c&c was already dead and figured they'd try to make some cash to get a job out of it. Im skeptical EA listens to anyone outside of the sales/marketing/management bubble.
Well then, EA did the most based thing they could
They told treacherous homosexuals who betrayed C&C and made its community rot and decay in degeneracy, to shut the frick up and keep gurgling on the balls, rare W for EA
>Wait until zoomers in 10 years or so will start trying to rewrite history by claiming it isn't shit because they grew up playing it or similar trash.
I didn't play it back in the day but i didn't heard a single good thing about it from the people who did, the press was bad, IIRC it died really fast, and and zoomers whose childhoodwas in CnC4 times were busy playing Starcraft II and/or original DotA so i don't think it is happening outside of niche "bad=unpopular=actually good" hipsterism.
Never supposed to be grand finale, was supposed to be MOBA styled RTS for Korean market
If you want someone to blame for it becoming mainline series entry, blame beta testers who sucked EA's dick up until release in hopes that some of them may get hired, they saw problems first hand, but didn't told to EA that game will be a shitty one if they make it a mainline entry, didn't told the community that game is going to be shit, they waited until release and started shittalking it only after community did so
I just said that EAshit looks like shit in mods. The fact I only mentioned C&C3 is because its mods are where most of those models end up. I don't even play any TibSun's mods, I didn't like any of those I've seen for a while so I've stopped checking new ones.
Also drop that twittereddit cancer while you're at it.
The version with TS mod using C&C 4 assets was the only i had at hand
Go work on patching 2.0, essence pissbaby. They look at least a hundred times better than the abominations you replaced both TW2 and TW3 titans, reapers and shit with, you unbearable nonce.
>essence
There isn't a single word about TE in the post you're replying to.
Every game except C&C4. That game killed the Tiberian series.
Doesn't matter as long as you play on a Playstation.
If you want to be a dipshit who hates themselves like me, CaC Rivals.
I understand there's supposed to be ambiguity to his past and whether or not he maybe the Biblical Cain and that's good because it helps fuel the enigma of his character but I don't like how they nudged him into being an ancient ayy, was it Tiberium Wars that started going in that direction or was it as early as the Westwood titles?
It's only EA's thing, at Westwood Kane was always supposed to be ambiguously based of Biblical Cain, with all these ancient artifacts depicting Cain killing Abel in the first game and Renegade, Abel's tomb in Renegade, the Land of Nod, ect..
EA also wanted Scrin to be ancient humans from ancient super technological Earth's past, and Kane(ancient alien/ancient human/ ancient human-alien or whatever) was leader of ancient poroto-GDI that was fighting faction of ancient humans that became Scrin and were spreading Tiberium on the ancient Earth. What a fricking circus. At least in 2006-2007 community still had the balls to call out EA's bullshit and wasn't gurgling on company's balls, if not for that, we would have had C&C4 levels of disappointment as early as 2006.
What does "EA wanted" mean concretely here?
Who exactly proposed all those changes?
EA's C&C3 story-writers i guess? There's a picture of glowing jellyfish with human face photoshopped to it. It's supposed to represent how Scrin Supervisor or Scrin in general actually look like or looked in the past.
EA's C&C3 was originally supposed to be a complete reboot of the series. Originally there was no Blue Tiberium in C&C3, no Kane, story of previous games was completely ignored, Scrin were just generic aliens / ancient humans with completely different name and not Scrin.
Only after initial backlash from the community after EA showed the game somewhere in 2005-2006 C&C3 was reworked to take previous games into account and look more like a sequel, i.e. game from complete reboot was turned into a soft one. The only reason Kane's Wrath exists is because community was still unsatisfied with the results and so EA just pulled assets from the C&C Arena (lately C&C4) and made Kane's Wrath out of them. But honestly KW failed its task.
>game from complete reboot was turned into a soft one
Well that explains why all the cool world building and atmosphere from Tiberian Sun was thrown out the window. Frick EA.
No reason not to start with C&C Remastered, the earliest games of the series with vast QoL improvements. However, they're still very basic, simple and downright crude games. Remember that they were made when the RTS genre was still on its infancy.
After you finish them, you'll want to play TS. With the released of C&CR, this became the most primitive of the series, and getting it to work properly on a modern PC can be quite challenging.
RA2 is like TS, but considerably smoother and more stable, might want to skip to this one if TS frustrates you.
Renegade is a huge... meh. Definitely skip it if you aren't a completionist or a curious type. FPS was very clearly not Westwood's specialty.
Generals is a good game, but it's "C&C" only on the title, otherwise it's completely unrelated, both in setting and gameplay.
C&C 3 is the best of the series from a purely gameplay perspective, but it's kinda soulless. Pretty hard compared to earlier titles.
Never played RA3, but from what I've heard, it's not a very good game.
is a huge... meh.
Renegade is extremely interesting if you were big into the Tiberium titles, because you get to see the perspective of the units you usually commanded in the strategy titles.
It's the same kind of fascination that World of Warcraft had for Warcraft 3 veterans, where you could walk into the buildings you used to construct.
That idea is interesting and I have no doubts that was a reason Westwood wanted to make Renegade or "Commando" as it was being called in early development but because of EA's interference the later single-player campaign is rather lackluster and visually speaking it can be somewhat divorced from how Tiberian Dawn presented GDI and the Brotherhood of Nod.
I always hear about the multiplayer being good and often alive so that's a plus on Renegade's part.
Tiberian sun worked flawlessly for me (on Linux of all things) using the cncnet version:
https://cncnet.org/tiberian-sun
Renegade was fun.
C&C3 was shit.
Fight me.
>C&C3 was shit.
>Fight me.
I think most would be on your side, anon, last Tiberium Wars thread was largely critical of the game.
>Never played RA3, but from what I've heard, it's not a very good game.
No, its good.
Propagating foreign opinions to fit in is cancer, try to avoid that.
And there's a funny thing i noticed, Electronic Arts Los Angeles (the developers of C&C3) at some point said that EA gave them only 11 months before release to make the game, this will put development time of C&C3 into 2006-2007 time period, but EA showed C&C3 concept art and assets as early as 2004-2005, and these were not WW's C&C3: Incursion assets, they were assets created by EA for EA's version of C&C3 that came out in 2007.
Which makes me think that after Westwood were closed in 2003 and all their archives were either abandoned or thrown into a dumpster (quite literally, there are some funny stories from various geeks and collectors that show how much EA actually cares about C&C, who found thigs such as original gold and platinum disks of C&C games and some other stuff in junkyards or flea markets), these two and a half janitors that were left after Westwood's main studio in Vegas was closed and studio in Los Angeles was rebranded into EA Los Angeles, they were smocking crack and coming up with most vile ways of violating C&C's dead corpse for 3 years, and then in 2006 after they showed this mockery of game to the community, EA ordered them to rework the game in the last 11 months that were left before release or get fricked.
https://twitter.com/SuperweaponTeam/status/598917966676111360
>Dawn of Tiberian Age
>Mental Omega
>Rise of the Reds
>Tiberium Essence
How is C&C franchise so full of kino mods?
Someone should hit with a hydraulic hammer your nostalgia glasses, particularly if you are wearing them.
Rise of the Reds is praised for its realism and attention to detail, while Mental Omega is well-regarded for its deep storyline and diverse set of units and factions. Both of these mods have dedicated communities that provide feedback to the developers, and they offer new content and gameplay mechanics that enhance the player experience. Eat a dick.
Yet another thread defiled by MOlesters
You mean the schizoids who deny its popularity in the community? You are correct then!
No one denies its popularity you fricking dumbass
It's just that you homosexual can't stop shitting each C&C thread with MO
RA2 is the best for a start. If you like it try the mods too.
Play all of them except C&C4 and maybe RA3. They are all good games.
Yes, shitty FMVs aside, C&C3 is a good game and I will fight you.
C&C3 and RA3 sucked. And Tiberian sun was the last game with a good storyline.
Generals gets a pass because it's nothing to do with the rest of it, it was fun.
And you wonder why every publisher in 2010 gave up on pleasing you.
Play mods until death then.
>What is aoe4
>What is coh3
2 games made by the last old RTS developer, since the rest got bought out.
>C&C3 is a good game and I will fight you.
It's just missing a lot of elements from Tiberian Sun and some of the designs aren't that great.
This thing would make perfect sense with, say, a machinegun on top instead as a scout drone or something like that. Frick, just restyle it for Cabal then and it's perfect.
Ever since an anon pointed it out I can't unsee and get over the beam cannon's "OwO" face, I never zoomed into the beam cannon to look at it before and it's been there the whole time.
Yah, all the cool world building and atmosphere went out the window with c&c3 because EA decided to pander to morons.
>C&C3 is a good game and I will fight you.
You don't need to, you didn't claim that it's a proper sequel to TibSun.
of new units that you don't understand the purpose of
Are you braindead?
attacks from every conceivable angle
Are you braindead?
>>UNIT LOST UNIT LOST UNIT LOST UNIT LOST
You are braindead.
>>you want to fight america as russia? fight chinks instead
You do fight Americans.
You should try looking into OpenRA, it's a cool open source recreation/remaster of the original C&C games (plus Dune 2000 and other mods of the engine made by the community.) There's an official website, look it up.
>chinks must cheat to get anywhere in wife
FTFY
start here