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it was my dad and he got over his drug problems
No, it was my uncle and he's still smoking crack to this day
Did he design more beholders?
it's ridiculous
it's a giant Medusa head,
fricking morons.
>it's a giant Medusa head,
Wrong
its a floating onahole
literally designed to suck human men's wieners
Gorgon. The name of the species is gorgon. Medusa is a specific individual gorgon.
Gorgon deez nuts
these gays are ez. kill them in their sleep.
Their design is weird but super campy, it fits d&d perfectly.
Now their lore thats another story
a wizards of the coast don't call them beholders anymore.
why?
it wasnt an inclusive term for the visually impaired
imagine being the helen keller of beholders
You know why Hellen Keller couldn't drive? Because she was a woman.
There are beholders with gouged out eyes. That's not even good news because it usually mean they can cast spells now.
They have to blind their main eye to be able to become spell casters because thats the eye that emits a cone of antimagic.
>Spectators were extraplanar beholderkin native to the Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus. The five-eyed entities were philosophical creatures often summoned to serve as watchful guardians.
what are they called now? transwomen?
transvestites got mad at normal people for calling them aberration.
og cacos
obsessed
I don't give a frick what wotc does or doesn't call them, they're beholders.
I'm on your side.
They're beholders still, anon is pulling your leg.
They're still called beholders. Anon is just being moronic for (You)s.
They use the term "beholder" in BG3 so I don't think that's true
I have seen Spectators, not Beholders in BG3, idk if I missed any, which could be, but I am currently not aware of any true Beholder in the game.
There are books that mention Beholders
The one Spectator I've run into so far had fewer eye stalks than a Beholder and didn't have its range of spell abilities. Without looking up any lore, I'd guess that a Spectator is either a juvenile Beholder or a tiny race sort of like wallabys vs kangaroos.
They're beholderkin, but they're from another plane and more akin to familiars in terms of being summoned to guard an object / place. They're one of the only kin that can actually be interacted with without being murderified/attacked on sight, besides a particularly cultured full Beholder, and can even be befriended- but will go kill mode for encroaching on what they're guarding.
BG3 is low level so it makes sense to fight the lesser version of the beholder, I ran into one at level 5 in the underdark.
Speaking of low level, what is up with Jaheira being level 8 and recruitable? I'm only in the second act of Throne of Bhal but she's already in the low 20s. It'd be like if we could recruit Elminster when he showed up and the extent of his abilities was casting a couple fire balls.
at the end of the day its a game, you know how it is
Spectators have been in DnD for a long time. They're much weaker than Beholders.
Spectators are just baby Beholders basically, actual Beholders would be too high level for BG3.
they say beholder in books and one of my party members said something along the lines of 'hope we don't meet any beholders' when entering the underdark but I finished act 2 just yesterday and only fought 2 spectators
It's BeholdTHEM now, biggots
in german its beholder and beholderin now
Beholder*innen
i know this has been going on for decades, but it was never as obnoxious as of this year. what the frick happened
Beholdende
Isn't it because of copyright?
That's why everyone use other names like Evil Eye, Gazers and so on.
are you saying that they invented the word beholder?
Copyrights can be contextual.
I'm saying they can copyright people for copying their creature design.
There's companies that can copyright words (Sky copyrighting the word sky and beating Microsoft in a case for their "Sky Drive" that turned into One Drive, or Bethesda/Zenimax copyrighting the word "Scroll" in a case against Mojang wanting to make a game called Scrolls).
That's where prior art comes in. WotC can't sue you for saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" regardless of what video games or supplements exist because everyone knows it's older and independent of that.
Greyhawk is more campy because it was made for kids, but Faerun is like some fantasy dork sat down with copies of Tolkien (not Tolkien Black) books and just homosexualed it up into a campaign setting with 80000000 deities and lots of implied and literal homosexuality. Eberron is the most grounded, but WotC doesn't seem to respect it because le Drizzit and shit.
Really? Are we playing the same game? I had no expectations getting into BG3, and my initial impression, which is continuing into act 3, is that it's a great traditional fantasy setting. It's not as campy as something straight out of the 70s/80s, but it's good enough. Your post kind of just reads like butthurt /misc/ schizobabbel
Nah, he's right Faerun is a pretty meh setting overall. You'd be better served with Greyhawk for a traditional fantasy setting
Interesting, but I don't care. Is there a Greyhawk video game with the same artistic quality as BG3? No? Well I jut don't fricking care. I just wanted to express my appreciation for the DnD aesthetic.
>I don't care
>asked "Really?"
meds
>psychoanalysing a single word
meds
There's the Temple of Elemental Evil, which would be better than BG3 if it wasn't so full of bugs. Getting the damn thing to run is an exercise in frustration
No, Faerun is not tracitional. Dragonlance exists. Next question.
Truth, Greyhawk and Eberron are both better
The frick is Tolkien Black?
This guy?
kek
Yeah. They're just lightly DnD flavored Final Fight. Great games, though.
Not a joke. They retconned his name to Tolkien because that's his dad's favorite author, and everyone but Stan and Randy knew it was his name, but those two were calling him Token.
Anon was clearly talking about some Tolkien printed variant.
No, because I'm the anon who said it.
Say what you want about new South Park but that was a hell of a joke.
nah evil eye, and gazers are beholder kin. same shit different monster.
you're wrong and if you're basing this on BG3 what you encounter isn't a beholder, its a lesser creature called a witness.
Isn't it a spectator
sorry you're right my bad. a witness is what you get when an illithid parasite infects a beholder
WITNESS MEEEE
idiot
i literally don't give a shit what nu-wotc is doing
oh no
anyway
It's BeholdZir now
Oh so those WHERE Beholders in BG3. I thought those were just weak Beholders.
They are, or rather Beholderkin. Spectators are a variety of Beholder that tend towards Lawful Neutral behavior and can be reasoned with. They're often contracted with / employed by powerful magic users to guard important locations.
Oh. Huh. The more you know. Wait if those where the weak ones, full blown beholders must be fricked.
Oh absolutely, Spectators don't have At-Will Disintegrate or the Anti-Magic eye.
Full blown beholders are meant to be properly challenging enemies for high level characters. They have tons of bullshit at their disposal because frankly they need it to challenge high level D&D PCs.
they are about as strong as an elder brain
WotC can kiss my ass, dude.
>ascertainer
>checker
>considerer
>detector
>estimator
>examiner
>eye of heedfulness
>inspector
>investigator
>monitor
>noter
>noticer
>observer
>once-overer
>overlooker
>perceptor
>prober
>recognizer
>regarder
>researcher
>reviewer
>searcher
>studier
>supervisor
>surveyor
>viewer
>watcher
for me its once-overer
Observer, perceptor and watcher are pretty decent as far as alternative names go.
You're an idiot
He's wrong. Beholders were way too OP and they made a weaker kind so they could have the same enemy type as a low level enemy and called them spectators.
I say this as someone who hates WotC but I hate morons even more
Damn, you mean my party of 4 level 4 PC's can't handle an ambush from a CR 13 monster?
Nah must be they renamed it
>looked this up
>theyre called fricking bonelords now
ive got a bone they can fricking lord over
BG3 is my first time experiencing D&D lore and aesthetic, campy is exactly how to describe it and why I love it so much. I was never really fantasy, but I really enjoy the folksy fairy-tale vibe of DnD fantasy
You played the worst campaign setting.
What's bad is that 3.5 left a loophole where you could wish him dead. Paizo killed that with Pathfinder. You'll just have to plane shift him, and destination is random. If you plane shift him some place like Hell, I imagine some devils will want to have a discussion with you.
Worst in terms of what, campiness? I want a camp setting. I like little evil gnomes with red caps running around the Hag's house, beholders, and devils literally named Raphael
Paizo
>Stories are told of ogres—horrendous stories of brutality and savagery, cannibalism and torture. Of rape and dismemberment, necrophilia, incest, mutilation, and all manners of hideous murder. Those who have not encountered ogres know the stories as warnings. Those who have survived such encounters know these tales to be tame compared to the truth. An ogre revels in the misery of others. When smaller races aren’t available to crush between meaty fists or defile in blood-red lusts of violence, they turn to each other for entertainment. Nothing is taboo in ogre society. One would think that, left to themselves, an ogre tribe would quickly tear itself apart, with only the strongest surviving in the end—yet if there is one thing ogres respect, it is family. Ogre tribes are known as families, and many of their deformities and hideous features arise from the common practice of incest. The leader of a tribe is most often the father of the tribe, although in some cases a particularly violent or domineering ogress claims the title of mother. Ogre tribes bicker among themselves, a trait that thankfully keeps them busy and turned against each other rather than neighboring races. Yet time and again, a particularly violent and feared patriarch rises among the ogres, one capable of gathering multiple families under his command. Regions inhabited by ogres are dreary, ugly places, for these giants dwell in squalor and see little need to live in harmony with their environment. The borderland between civilization and ogre territory is a desperate realm of outcasts and despair, for here dwell the ogrekin, the deformed offspring and results of frequent ogre raids against the lands of the smaller folk.Ogre games are violent and cruel, and victims they use for entertainment are lucky if they die the first day.
>pathfinder good because le edgy rape and necrophilia
Actual teenager
>Ogres’ cruel senses of humor are the only way their crude minds show any spark of creativity, and the tools and methods of torture ogres devise are always nightmarish. An ogre’s great strength and lack of imagination makes it particularly suited for heavy labor, such as mining, forging, and clearing land, and more powerful giants (particularly hill giants and stone giants) often subjugate ogre families to serve them in such regards. A typical adult ogre stands 10 feet tall and weighs roughly 650 pounds.
>mention of /misc/ with no prompting
Are you a bot?
You probably want Greyhawk. It's the oldest setting, beating out Mystara by a year (or more if you count Blackmoor), and is a kitchen sink setting of random ideas thrown together, made before the concept of a coherent setting came up.
Very short list of other old settings:
Mystara - whoever made this was studying real world cultures and just stuck all of them in there
Ravenloft - horror setting where the player characters are supposed to die
Dragonlance - bunch of okay books, setting was created to cover the parts the books don't
Lankhmar - also based on books, but a different and worse series
Hollow World - a zoo inside Mystara's setting, why does this count as its own setting?
Dark Sun - post-apocalyptic D&D
Spelljammer - magic astronauts on a hamster powered space sailing ship
also Planescape and Birthright
Aren't the arcade beat-em ups based on Mystara? I mean the second one is called Shadows over Mystara.
Yes and yes.
Those two came a bit later than my list, but yeah they're pretty old by today's standards. I just arbitrarily cut off the list at the point I started playing, because I still have trouble considering things that I remember coming out as old.
And yes those are very vaguely based on Mystara.
I love dragonlance so much.
Huma is my hero.
I'm so getting the Dragon Cohort feat on my 3.5e character.
Go back and play BG1 and 2, Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter Nights. Lots of good games in the Forgotten Realms setting.
soulslop
commiestink
tranniecore
kino-adjacent
it's funnier when you actually know what those words mean and use them in fitting context
So you need drugs to even be a little creative?
oxygen is a drug
Not seth's best video, but still somewhat fun.
"Edgelord" video is my fav
>pic related
>choose talk
>learn sign language
>pretend to be mute for the rest of your days
but you'd still be ugly so what's the point?
Not as ugly as jarjar
yeah but fricking jar jar has beastiality appeal or ayy lmao frick appeal, fricking you has no appeal, jar jar became a senator, you're a fricking nobody
anon.... do you want to tell me something? Do you have a Jar Jar cum Jar?
nobody has a cum jar of you
Thank God.
c**t
cringe teenager
>Jar Jar's Jar Jar
>jar jar has beastiality appeal
never change Ganker never change.
>you still end up signing everything in jar jar-speak
>even if you try to write things out, you can’t help but start every sentence with “MEESA”
Is it wrong that I think Jar Jar is sort of hot?
both, jar jar binks is cool
these morons are easy as shit. you have long range spells they can't detect, or high charisma.
For me it's the Mindwitness
Mindflayer sub-types are really lacking because they're all so cool.
They even cut the quid lizardmen from later editions for some reason.
If you think that's bad look up a Death Tyrant
>Beholder just decides not to die
>Turns into immortal spooky skelerton
>The only way you can kill a death tyrant is tricking it into realizing that it's dead
can i stay alive like too?
Are you a floating eyeball with reality distorting powers and 4 different stalk eyeballs that are technically their own beings and can also distort reality?
i could be
don't forget how they look
A lot of 5e designs suck shit but this is not one of them
>be afraid of death
>just say no bro
>wait that worked?
>seething wizards looking for lich juice everywhere
You forgot the part where if they accidentally remember that they're dead for even an instant they instantly die
Good thing I'm a moron so that would never work on me
would it work to pretend to worship the beholder
then state how incredible it is that the beholder conquered death and brought itself back to life?
Maybe? I'm not really sure if thinking it's undead qualifies as realizing it died
You're assuming it let you get close enough to speak without either thralling you or vaporizing you.
The beholder's big thing is being crazed paranoid schizos who think that literally everything that happens to them is the fault of another beholder (or the very rarely acknowledged things of beholder tier intelligence) to the point where they don't even sleep. You showing up is, in of itself, a scheme by a rival beholder to do something so you're either mentally or physically obliterated on contact assuming you make it past the traps and other thralls. Even if you make it through everything possible you have to try and break through its frenzied delusions, extreme hubris, and meglomaniacal psychosis to get words through to it.
ill carry a giant size mirror
Haha, yeah. Them eyes and tentacles sure do be wack.
A lot of D&D monsters have that 70s LSD vibe and we honestly need more of that. Monster design these days is too homogenized.
Not only that, but the monster name and lore is well thought out. It's like the creator was tripping hard, drew the monster, then was forced to come up with a story while sober. And isn't it good? Does the beast not excel at beholding?
I love these schizoid.
Their lore is that every single beholder thinks they are the epitome of what a beholder should be and when 2 meet they instantly hate each other and try to tear each other apart.
They reproduce purely by accident in their sleep.
Really funny monsters that wreck most players shit instantly. Kinda annoying they are fully copywrite protected like Illithids. Every setting should have beholders.
Just be like Dragon's Dogma and make a completely lawyer-friendly Gazer instead
Put the eye in the mouth. Now I'm safe from lawyers.
If that isn't enough then give it puberty facial hair.
They also got these
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>Kinda annoying they are fully copywrite protected like Illithids.
Didin't stop micheal zaki
Mindflayers are pretty much in everything and Wizards can't do anything about it because other creators can always just say Cthulhu. That's what Square did.
They literally called them Mind Flayers in FF1, though. FF1 was the D&D monster manual.
Wizards only has "brand protection" on very specific terms.
Kinda funny they got cucked out of using the term hobbit, now they’re cucking people out of using terms like drow and shit.
Wizards went after Square around the time FF12 came out. Square defended themselves by saying Cthulhu exists and makes people go insane while being an octopus man that destroys minds.
That's part of the reason it's limited to Illithid and not Mindflayer in general.
Do these kinds of argument take place in court with lawyers?
Depends. Usually it's just one lawyer sends a company a frick you letter, the other company has their lawyer think about sending a frick you letter back, they exchange frick yous for a while until they get a law firm to go tell a judge they want to say frick you, then they negotiate frick yous for a while until they decide whether they have fricked, they have been fricked, or if they want to keep saying frick you at which point the judge decides who had been fricked.
It usually doesn't make it to courts due to most being shake downs or companies trying to look like they're protecting their IPs so that no one can challenge their ownership of the IP and force the IP into public domain.
Reminder that a US judge has issued a binding ruling that bans a certain Touhou character from ever playing D&D. You can thank /tg/ for that one
I need this story.
Around the time D&D 3e was new-ish. WotC was selling .pdfs of most rulebooks, but put a unique tracking pixel in each one so they could sue pirates who shared them. One /tg/ poster got a prepaid credit card with a false name, using the name of Touhou character Aya Shameimaru, used that card to buy the .pdfs, and threw them on megaupload. WotC sued, fictional character predictably didn't show up in court, Judge issued a default ruling that grants everything WotC asked for, including banning the cardholder from ever using WotC products.
If you've got PACER access you can just search for Aya Shameimaru and it should come up
Holy shit. I love that dumb tengu.
Fricking incredible
how far /tg/ has fallen
you can actually get banned for racism there
freedom of speech is a real b***h isn't it? lmao.
You've always gotten banned for racism on /tg/.
explain NOW
No, this would largely be outside the court room, which is the last step of any civil resolution process. It's most likely negotiated between the parties in settlement conferences. Much of it probably isn't filed as a civil complaint.
They're still called Mind Flayers in FF
Mind flayer isn't the copyrighted term, illithid is.
Square calls them Mindflayers.
I don't think WotC gives a shit.
Beholders (named that) are in EQ2. https://eq2.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_Totem_of_the_Beholder
They're literally me, the ideal Anon.
meanwhile... in the real world
None of those have the bizarre persecution complex mindflayers have in DnD. They are shithead slavers that literally eat brains and wonder why nobody wants to work for them.
Looking like an illithid doesnt make it an illithid.
Kassadin and those jailers from Demonsouls dont even have libraries of the brains of their enemies kept in jars so they can listen to the psychic screams to relax. Illithids find those scream like calming music.
There is fun shit in DnD lore.
Also frick league of legends. Vel'koz is closer to the right attitude than Kassadin is.
So are mindflayers the boomers of D&D?
I never thought about it that way but holy shit yes they are. Thanks anon.
thats not why i posted all these. they are all knockoffs of eachother and of illithids. kassadin is a dota champ clone, the dota clone comes from warcraft 3, and the warcraft 3 faceless are extremely close to illithids.
the characters from world of warcraft and hearthstone are of course that same warcraft 3 faceless, but with designs slowly diverging from the WOTC copyright
I dont think Kassadin was meant to be an illithid if anything if you look at his old concept art he is more like Razor
>None of those have the bizarre persecution complex mindflayers have in DnD. They are shithead slavers that... wonder why nobody wants to work for them.
You're saying they exist IRL???
I don't think they can copyright the look of a beholder, just the looks while also having the name beholder.
Shuma Gorath looks like one save for the mouth and eyes at the end of each tentacle and he predates DnD by a year.
This'd explain how DD got away with a gazer.
>loves beholders and mindflayers
my homie. I love those two frickers like you wouldn't believe. If I run into either in a fantasy game it is automatically better, like in tower of latria.
>They reproduce by accident
I thought they were all asexual or mono-gendered and just shat out babies at random.
They dream new beholders into existence while they sleep. If the new beholder is there when the parent wakes they freak out and kill their spawn on sight like they would any other beholder. They do not care for their young.
So it's magical creation rather than biological? I swore I read they vomit eggs or something.
Had to look it up. What's the source on the "dream" reproduction? The 1996" I, Tyrant book" says they have a womb under their tongue they chew off which births a litter of 6 beholders, then they pick the one that looks the most like it to raise while the others either get eaten or flee.
5e changed to dreams. They rewrote a lot of stuff for the worse
Beholders are most likely inspired from the medusa, though the idea of it being a floating head is new I think. The illithids were clearly inspired from Chtulu myths and legends.
what about this thing
That's a heliphant
is it pronounced "heela-phant" or "hella-phant"
How dangerous are these generally? Is their big middle eye their main weakness? Stab it deeply and they die?
They can change reality but they aren't very imaginative and brute force everything
The eye is as hard as stone
among other things they have petricfication and disintegration at will.
The big eye negates magic wherever it looks.
The action-economy of 5th edition actually benefits it and it's not a pushover like most old "boss" monsters.
The eye in the middle permanently casts a frickhuge anti-magic cone at whatever it's looking at, it has up to 20? Different eyestalks that all can fire off different spells indefinitely just by gazing at you including fricking with gravity to make arrows just not work
Also every eye stalk and the main eye can fire a massive frick off beam of disintegration, you know, just whenever they feel like it.
Actually taking lore into account, you didn't kill the beholder.
BG3 doesn't even let us fight a fully grown beholder, I've seen the spectator effortlessly wipe parties in a way other similar strength monsters struggle with
Wait if the eye in the middle casts anti magic permanently aren't you safe as long as it's looking at you?
They see from all their other eyes, it can kill you even if it's looking at someone else to block out their spells which is what they should be doing in combat
All it has to do is blink with the main eye and disintegrate you or turn you to stone with an eye stalk.
The way to kill a beholder is to play to its pride an ambush it.
Unfortunately they rarely leave their lairs due to fear of ambush (beholders are all paranoid psychos).
They carve their lairs with disintegration beams and design them multileveled with no stairs so if you cant fly you are fricked.
Love these goobers. The personality is what makes it for me.
How do you defeat one then? Bring your own bigger beholder? Nuke it from oprbit? Wear sunglasses?
>How do you defeat one then?
The GM lets you. Otherwise
>Bring your own bigger beholder?
No the bigger one fricking hates you to
>Nuke it from orbit
The magical equivalent of a nuke wouldn't work, it'd just immediately become inert if the beholder looked at it
>Wear sunglasses
Funny, but also no.
what about a mirror?
Oh I get it. The wheelchair!
The wheelchair is a mimic.
Sounds like typical OC mary sue character "nuh uh you can't kill it because I say so".
I know exactly the cure for such homosexualry
>collapses the entire cave system on your head with explosives
psst, nothing personnel kid.
It was designed as a way to end a DnD campaign.
DnD was made for clever ass homosexuals to trip up DMs like that time a guy put a crown on the lich skull and touched it with the wrong end of a magic stick that won the campaign and Garry went "legit."
You're not clever enough if your answer is explosives in the lair.
>You're not clever enough if your answer is explosives in the lair.
That's just the answer I gave for a 2 minute shitpost. Give me a character sheet, a bottle of rum and 4 hours and I'll come up with something to wipe off every beholder off the planes.
>You're not clever enough if your answer is explosives in the lair.
Canonically one of the ways someone once beat the tomb of horrors was with the phrase 'We hire 30 dwarves at 2 gold pieces a day each and 35% of the loot, then have then excavate the top 5 inches of every surface as we proceed through the ruins'
And as a fa/tg/uy myself, I once invalidated an entire army of halflings by engaging the Zyklon B solution on their enclosed camp.
Explosives are a legit answer.
My favorite fa/tg/uy thing is this: https://1dGanker/wiki/Peasant_Railgun
Ah yes, the peasant railgun, transport a pole 10 miles in less than six seconds and then... have the last peasant throw it for 1d3-1 damage.
>my back story is an elf slighted me once
This one always gets me
The rolling at disadvantage because they are sober killed me. That's commitment to the character right there
literally nothing is stopping a bunch of lv13 fighters (the level its meant for) to show up and just fricking body it. A beholder has 180hp and 18 ac and no real defenses, 4 level 13 fighters will just come in and rape it to death within a single turn.
Based fighterchards bodying spellnerds.
>He's not a bro caster buffing the fighter so he can kick ass better and faster
Depends on initiative.
Very very unlikely for the beholder to win against 4 generic battlemaster zugzug 20iq fighters just running at it and dicing it up.
They attack a minimum of 6 times, each time for like an average of about 25-30 damage or something, and can retroactively add a superiourity die to turn hits into misses or increase damage.
So two fighters are basically guaranteed to one turn kill it.
So even if it goes first it would have to take out three fighters, which will all reroll atleast once. Not to mention this is only preventing a turn one kill, as long as a single fighter is alive and not ccd he will basically massacre it.
Beholder flies up into the air, out of their melee range, and zaps them to death at its leisure. yawn.
they start throwing darts at it, losing about 5 damage per attack compared to melee. They have sharpshooter because you are a little b***h and they have more than enough feats to waste on whatever they want.
Realistically they could all have been bowfighters in the firstplace but bows are cringe.
funny that you say that cause this is exactly what this crazy bastard did, except with flour and the beholde'r own schizophrenia
Wait Goblin Slayer fought a Beholder?
Copyright is the real danger
would a flashbang or something work against a beholder? do they have ears or something?
flour
Fighters inside the cone, mages behind the beholder, preferably spread out.
You have to trap it/overwhelm it/ trick it because it's a schizoid goober with a superiority complex, then kill it with damage. If it is suppressing the wizards magic, stab it from behind with a magical weapon or something etc. It can only shut down magic on what the main eye is looking at.
That said beholders are designed to be an uphill battle where players NEED a plan. Same as fighting a real Dragon, Giant, hag coven, abolith, or any other serious boss monster.
Beholders are bad news, despite being funny as frick.
So it all comes down the what humans were doing since the dawn of mankind: overwhelm big bad with sheer numbers and sharp sticks
This wouldn't work. Beholders have some of the highest intelligence of any monster in the game, literally approaching the soft cap. They won't get outsmarted or tricked, and they are incredibly paranoid.
>They won't get outsmarted or tricked, and they are incredibly paranoid.
That's exactly why it can work, they've planned literally every scenario out in their head but that doesn't mean they actually put in the leg work preparing for all of them since the moment they do think up a new way a rival beholder could frick them they are drawn into the next delusion. 4-6 random homosexuals just showing up is, ironically, something they barely plan for and just hope that the regular defenses can take care of. Granted they're going to have some brutal traps and guards but its not that hard to fool them with some simple-is-best shit since they're actually trying to play 20 steps ahead without having walked there.
I wasn't gonna respond to that guy since I'm lazily shitposting but you hit the nail on the head.
The floating frick IS smarter than you but is just as arrogant to match. Being smart doesnt make you immune to swords and arrows.
Conmen get their name from confidence. Confidence is what they want to inspire in you, and who makes a confident mark? A self-assured and competent one. That's what the phrase too smart by half means, funnily enough. You can in fact be too stupid to trick and too smart to see a trick.
Simple; you use shapechange to change into a beholder, then you use the beholder eye power to kill it before it can do anything.
Shield of Balduran
Smoke grenades (Or a fog cloud). It needs to be able to see you to use its eye beams, and it can't use eye beams on targets in its anti-magic field
A wizard or sorcerer can literally just cast blindness on it from safety and it's entire threat level goes to shit.
bossmonster, actual threat varies by exact species.
roughly the weakest of them is as strong as a baby dragon, the strongest is about as strong, probably a bit weaker as an adult, but otherwise unremarkable dragon.
To be honest, I think Beholders are kind of cute, in an ugly way.
Anyway, for me it's the Grell, a majestic creature.
Terror From The Deep PTSD
One of these tried to eat me but I was tied to a wall and my friends killed it. It fell a long way down. Good times.
skill issue
They've always looked goofy as shit anon.
original, 2rd, 4nd, and 5st all look cool
3rd a best, as usual
AD&D is superior frick you
4th looks like he's having a good time
He's relatively low level, a capstone boss for low level heroics as they pass into the next tier of adventure but that's made up for by having a bunch of different variants that are tougher like ghost beholders, eye tyrants, and such.
For once 5E isn't soulless. However, 3E and 4E are bad. Clearly done by artists that thought they could fix a problem that didn't need to be fixed.
Original is the spookiest.
>4rd is just 3nd with less details
>5st is just 2rd with fewer details
it's better than at least, doeever
5E is for all the cries about it is actually less soulless than 4th overall.
Most monsters got reworked back into what they were before 4th edition set out to make everything "badass" and alot of goofy shit got added back that was deemed not cool enough by what apparently is a council of 10 year olds that need spikes on the bad guy to be intimidated.
I know the combat wheelchair caught a lot of flack, but on paper it sounds fun as hell, they should've made it a combat throne
The BG3 spectator looked pretty gnarly.
BG3 doesn't have any beholders, just Spectators. Not the same thing
>beholderkin
Oh, so they are considered different then.
i like original. kinda looks like it was ripped from an album cover. pretty cool.
t. 32 boomer
Where is this image from?
judging from that page layout, im gonna guess the dnd art and arcana book. i dont actually own the book myself but ive seen scans of it.
Yep. It's a pretty great read honestly. Goes through the history of the game and the print quality is excellent.
For me, it's 1st and 5th edition.
Funny thing is, all beholders look totally different and unique from each other and yet each one believes their form to be the superior one and will violently attack other beholders that look too different from them.
I love how these days in DnD media, whenever they depict an in-universe drawing of a beholder they use the original or first edition artwork.
They've gone through a lot of bad artists, even in the same edition. Look at the 3.5 PH and see how the art varies.
Original looks like 02 from Kirby 64, that makes it the best.
The original looks like he sits on a couch with some other moron and watches music videos.
I love early monster manual art
I would fricking kill to see a dungeon themed after a preschool toy room, filled exclusively with these things in each of the primary colors.
Was kind of hoping to put this on /tg/ instead of here, but here's a Beholder/Death Tyrant my brother drew for my campaign. He didn't completely understand what a Beholder is, but I think it's a pretty cool twist
That's cool as hell, the weird ghost-eye-tentacles are neat.
Speaking of tentacles and in relation to your posted pic, here's a kraken he drew for the campaign.
I told my party it was a Beholder first, THEN requested the art
>I told my party it was a Beholder first, THEN requested the art
Fair enough, in any case it is pretty sick, wish I had an in-house artist so to speak for my campaigns like that.
You do. Just use AI dumby
>I told my party it was a Beholder first, THEN requested the art
It was an illusion!
That is some obscenely cool shit.
Tell your brother he's a real one.
Looks incredibly rad, but you may as well make it its own unique monster at this point.
damn they really let him go
Why the [sic]? Isn't this grammatically correct?
not grammatically appropriate
read it out loud
"Atop the sphere are 10 eyestalks, while in its central area ARE a great 11th eye-"
"sits" would've fit better
>while in its central area ARE a great 11th eye
"and a large mouth" rolls it back around to being grammatically correct, right?
(I don't know what grammatically appropriate means)
The eleventh eye and mouth are the subjects. "To be" should be conjugated in the plural present indicative
You're right
>went from being a moon rip off to being mother brain ripoff to being a medusa head ripoff
Most soulless creature
4e looks like Steve-O.
Rare 5th edition win
Original edition looks like a drooling moron.
1st edition looks like it's made of bread.
2st edition looks like it just saw goatse for the first time rather than anything intimidating.
3st edition looks indimidating from the eye down but the stalks on its head make it look a little goofy.
4th edition just copies 3rd but fricks it up completely, it's amazing how just tweaking the eye a bit makes it go from "enraged terrifying monster" to "funny ball of eyes throwing finger guns after making a bad joke"
5th edition looks like someone put the original edition drawing through an AI art generator and said "scary meatball" as the prompt
There was a GBA game that was a blobber that had the 3rd edition beholder art on the game cartage. For whatever reason it's the first thing I think of. I sucked at the game though.
Why is the 5e one giving me bedroom eye(s)
should i keep the bottle or kill the thing inside? i feel like throwing it in the middle of a crowd
I wiped the outside goblin camp with it
Making one of these buttholes stab himself in the eye is the funniest part of Dragon's Dogma
how? gicel?
acid
Years ago i was instagibbed by these things in NwN Hordes of undrentide and i still can't figure out why.
I've never played DnD before.
Do I take ability score increases or Feats?
Depends.
Ability score usually, to get your main stat as high as possible. Some feats are good for some classes and gives the +1 you'd need to get to the next stat bonus tho
how do i get beyond 20. i've seen some screenshots, but the description says up to 20
You normally cannot increase a score beyond 20 with ASIs or Feats, but some wondrous items can increase those score to higher values when they are equipped.
theres those books that take a long time to read and then have a cooldown of 100 years but you can planeshift yourself to somewhere where time passes faster and leave it there then go back to it. At least that's what I did in a campaign once. I had almost 28 int by the end of the campaign.
Don't you only get ability score increases on level 4, 8, 12, 16, and 20, or have they changed it in 5e?
4, 8, 12, 16, and 19
Fighter also gets extras at 6 and 14 and rogue gets one at 10
Class dependent.
Alert is worth more than 2 dex for a level 4 Rogue.
IIRC a lot of the older monsters weren't really designed. It was something like, someone brought a bunch of cheap children's plastic toys to the gaming table to function as stand-ins for things they didn't have models for. Which somehow ended up with the whole group coming up with statlines for the various critters. This panther toy has extra limbs? It's a Displacer Beast now. This deer has a long deformed neck? Catoblepas. This one's body fell off, leaving just a one-eyed head and some casting runoff that kind of looks like tentacles? Beholder. Shark with legs? Landshark.
Soul
>This panther toy has extra limbs? It's a Displacer Beast now.
I hate to nitpick, but those are from a 1930s scifi story. You might know them better as Coeurls.
>Shark with legs, landshark
That one was actually some sort of Ultra man knock off mold further knocked off into "dinosaur" toys
You can see the OG "land shark" in this image right next to the Rust Monster.
Frick these stupid eyeball shits casting imprisonment.
I liked how the defeated the "Beholder" in Goblin Slayer
>Muh ancestor
Nope, Cacodemons are just the head of an Astral Dreadnought
The idea that cacodemons are actually huge enough to slap around Cyberdemons like uppity Chihuahuas but are only projecting their heads into Doom so they look like goofy floating heads is amusing to me.
>snibbedy snab 😀
>rogues always depicted with hood + cape
>Literally 0 RPGs let you have a hooded cape
What gives
Hard to render.
Most videogames after the year 2000 are made by people that get kicked off the table for being weird losers that ruin games with their dumb fricking sparkling Tiefling in gay love with a rabbit boy from the feywild trying to find their parents to announce how love has triumphed while also plotting to kill everyone that doesn't support them then tries to have gay sex RP with the DM but the DM just rolls to kill the rabbit boyfriend instead.
Something you want to get out of your chest anon?
I had a group that broke up after breaking our DM. He just didn't want to do it anymore after one of the regulars became a Critical Role fan and made a Tiefling Sorcerer that got lost in the Feywild. It took like three sessions before the whole thing with the gay rabbit boyfriend love story came out and she literally sprang that detail on everyone since the backstory she gave the DM was just that they were friends from when she(playing a male tiefling) got fey lost.
We rescued the rabbit dude alongside some summer elves from a necromancer, and during the camp downtime she tried to start a gay sex RP session with her tiefling's gay rabbit boyfriend. The DM rolled and had a Dullahan ambush the camp and kill the boyfriend, ended the session there, and then ended the campaign the next week.
I got invited to DnD by a coworker and though 'yeah always thought I'd enjoy that I'm in'. So I went to the session and basically sat there for 2 hours as the two absolute fricking dork big tittied nerdettes in attendance spent the whole game trying to frick some twink elf they'd met and then tame a giant wolf they found while completely ignoring any and all prompts to follow the DMs carefully curated quest line. It was pretty fricking lame.
The rest of the time the other dude that was there was powergaming with some hellaciously min maxed monk character and punched out a bunch of orcs solo and kept pulling all kinds of daft feats and powers out of his ass...
It honestly sucked. Could be great fun with a good DM and group though, that was clear to see.
The group chat was named 'critical role'. Didn't mean anything to me at the time but I'm guessing that's some popular DnD youtube group that spends all their time playing out increasingly gay cringe erotic fantasies instead of actually fighting dragons and going on adventures and stuff. As if DnD now is just full of sexually frustrated dorks using it to ERP.
Worse than that anon. Critical Role are mostly Canadian and American voice actors with a twitch channel, have a TV show, and an official campaign module.
Basically they're the equivalent of RoosterTeeth gays during Halo 2 and 3 Xbox Live that wanted to be RvB.
>minmax
>monk
Monk sucks shit unless the DM handwaved a bunch of bullshit
To be fair it depends entirely on the average level of the campaign. Monk is a 1 through 5 monster. From 5 on it's usually Barbarian or Fighter for pure martials, and Paladin if you're a minmax butthole that doesn't want to just be a caster.
Come to OSR and avoid these frustrations. No min maxing, no gay role-playing to fricking demi human twinks. Only dungeons, hexes, exploration and death. And also role-playing for things that matter
Unless I know I’m playing with powergamers my funnest games I’ve ran and groups was where we were familiar with the system but intent on both roleplaying and fricking around, led to fun stories and hilarious moments
The hard part was just balancing combat to ensure the threat of danger was never too far away without tuning for power gamers on accident
I’d write narratives and narratives on backstories but always make sure the characters weird ass moments and decisions tied back into the narrative even if that meant derailing the narrTives original purpose. That’s why I never craft the overarching quest toooo meticulously bc I plan for and want players to throw a wrench in its progression. Rather I have ideas of set pieces and work in their decisions to alter set pieces so nobody feels railroaded. Likewise I’m perfectly willing to throw out a set piece. I’ve even re-written final bosses and hastily scrapped something else together related to player choices
from what I gather DnD has been notorious for being played by people who can't turn their horny off for some time now.
On the one hand, that sounds really lame.
On the other
>big tittied nerdettes
Your run on sentence is extremely hard to read, and it makes you come across as being schizophrenic
W-what?
Caring about the character other people choose to play is fricking cringe until it affects you. The uncomfortable sex RP shit is that line, to be fair, but every anti-tiefling etc. gay I've ever met online or otherwise is always a c**t who likes to shit on other people's parades.
ToEE has them
Yeah but then you're playing ToEE
Not a fan?
The UI is fricking terrible, so no. Same reason I can't get into mask of the betrayer no matter how good the voice acting and writing are God I wish Katelyn's game got a remaster
Yeah, the UI is not great, I just power through it.
Hair and ear and horn clip through hood.
>Split hair and ears form body model
>Simply hide them if player equips a hood
????
How is this hard
Players get mad about it. Look at FFXIV.
I'd rather just have the hoods too, but that's how it is.
Really, it's all about the tarrasque and his friendly smile.
People desperately trying to find ways to cheat sizes to grapple this fat frick will never stop being amusing.
>3e added flavor text and mechanics to growth spells/potions that allow for more RP for normal people and boners for fetishists.
>4e removes size change.
>Comes back in 5e with flavor removed.
Boooooooooo.
I want that flavor text
Yes, for the reasons.
3/3.5 had the following in addition to what 5e has
>The target gains a +2 size bonus to Strength, a -2 size penalty to Dexterity (to a minimum of 1), and a -1 penalty on attack rolls and AC due to its increased size.
>This [spell/potion/whatever] does not change the target's speed.
>If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, the creature attains the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using its increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process. If it fails, it is constrained without harm by the materials enclosing it- the spell cannot be used to crush a creature by increasing its size.
>Melee and projectile weapons affected by this spell deal more damage. Other magical properties are not affected by this spell. [...] thrown weapons deal their normal damage, and projectiles deal damage based on the size of the weapon that fired them. Magical properties of enlarged items are not increased by this spell.
>[...] can be made permanent with a permanency spell.
Doesn't really change much about how it works, but is better for roleplay.
>If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, the creature attains the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using its increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process.
Can't imagine why they removed this. I'm sure nothing weird ever came of this.
I'm thinking things right now that are
NAUGHTY...
>Reflective Carapace. Any time the tarrasque is targeted by a magic missile spell, a line spell, or a spell that requires a ranged attack roll, roll a d6. On a 1 to 5, the tarrasque is unaffected. On a 6, the tarrasque is unaffected, and the effect is reflected back at the caster
The fact that magic missile is included is the biggest frick you.
Here's an example of WotC vs Paizo's treatment of the ogre.
WotC
>Ogres are big, ugly, greedy creatures that live by raiding and scavenging. They join other monsters to prey on the weak and associate freely with ogre mages, giants, and trolls. Lazy and bad-tempered, ogres solve problems by smashing them; what they can’t smash, they either ignore or flee. Dwelling in small tribal groups, ogres occupy any convenient location and eat nearly anything they can catch, steal, or slay. Ogres sometimes accept mercenary service with other evil humanoids (including humans).
homosexual I have no idea what you're talking about, the only reason I even know what WotC means is because I've been lurking BG3 threads
You're better served by playing better games with better worlds. Pathfinder is the place to start.
I'm deeply enjoying Bg3 at the moment but thanks for the recommendation
magic missile is specifically mentioned in a lot of shit
So, basically Black folk?
>The single most powerful monster in the momster manual is a mindless unga bunga smash beast
>Liches, devils, vampire lords, dragons, all gets fricken rekt by the Tarrasque just going "nope" at their magic and smashing them to bits.
When my players fight this frick its more of a puzzle cat and mouse dance between me and them. You cant just brute force slugfest this guy.
5e Tarrasque as written dies to a Lv1 arawienerra with a shortbow given enough time and arrows, doesn't even have a boulder throw or something in its statblock to fight back against kiting
They really should've at least given it regen or something
The tarrasque is huge. Considering its tail range, the aarackora cant fly high enough. I think its a 10ft deficit.
Also the amount of arrows it would need is a forest, the aarackora would die of fatigue before the Tarrasque feels anything.
The aarackora cant flee forever. If the tarrasque is autistic on the archer, he would chase it to the ends of the earth. Otherwise ir would just ignore the plinking arrows while it destroys a city. The aarackora's city, if it must.
Usually "fighting" a tarrasque is to stop it from destroying a country or divert its path. The monster wont be worried about the fighters.
>the aarackora cant fly high enough
There's no height limit for aarawienerra or any other creature that straight up has a flying speed
Exhaustion is a thing sure but dying to a particularly upset village of birds is pretty funny
Dont forget the tarrasque lives in the planet's core. So it would just dig underground and erupt under the city if the bird men are annoying him too much. That said, if the DM goes "wild tarrasque uses Dig" and just reaches his destination from below, its a very cruel DM
wait, does the 5e one even have a burrow speed?
you're probably right, and that's just sad
>wait, does the 5e one even have a burrow speed?
5ed is fast and loose with the rules. I always tweak the stats a bit so it would make sense/fun. My tarrasque can throw debris, it can burrow very very fast, but its an animal so it wont be super smart and it wont razor focus the squishy mage. It would attack the nearest thing or the last person that dealt too much damage to it. So the players need to be smart and lure the tarrasque. Also destroyed buildings do a shit ton of damage to nearby characters.
Is it in the rules? Nope, but I'm the DM and its my job to make the game fun/interesting and reacting to my players avtions instead of blindly following the rules like an algorithm.
I know what a GM does, we didn't need all this for a 'no, they forgot'
needs to be a magic bow, but yes
I'm shocked the 5e doesn't have any regen, unlike every other incarnation of it
even 4e gave it a fricking gravity field to shit on flyers trying to pull this
They probably frickin forgot when they wrote it, doubt they ever playtested high level shit much either.
Considering how intentionally low effort all of the "rules" text is in 5e, they probably just didn't fricking care.
>even 4e
That's kind of unfair. 4e is actually very well designed and fun to play. It just gets a bad reputation mostly from Casters who are upset that they dared tried to make Martials equally viable.
4es problems run a bit deeper than that, but I personally agree that it is a good game, specifically it is a good miniatures dungeon crawler game, it just misses the mark on being a roleplaying game.
In my opinion wotc could genuinely have an A++ product on their hands if they converted 4e into a GMless dungeon crawler like gloomhaven.
>it is a good miniatures dungeon crawler game, it just misses the mark on being a roleplaying game.
Exactly my dude.
D&D carapace rules are cute. Try this instead.
PF Tarrasque is even more of a joke. It is easily soloable and permanently stunned at range by a Zen Archer Monk, let alone the fact that it can still job to spellcasters because SR 36 isn't good enough.
You'd have to hit it with emanations or bursts. I think those are the only type of damage spells that would affect it. It pretty much has a ribbon as far as status effects are concerned. Those spines would likely rape the monk.
Bro, he's immortal.
Monk will almost always act before the Tarrasque, and the Tarrasque needs a nat 20 to save vs stun. Because of Regeneration the Monk can't kill it, but he can bring its hp into the negative 100,000s and then slowly bring the Tarrasque into the ethereal plane. PF is so broken that despite the higher stats and abilities the Tarrasque has compared to 5e, it's actually just as easy to deal with for a variety of classes including Monk.
Target spells without an area work fine.
3.5 tarrasque has 800hp and hits at +60.
Why do they keep nerfing the tarrasque?
Pathfinder 2e works off of completely different math from 3.5, keeping the numbers the same wouldn't make sense.
That's 1e.
Fair enough
in that case they fricked up
It's funny because it's CR 25 but I have a level 20 Fighter sheet sitting around that could punch it to death straight up, even easier if I swapped Dragon Style for Pummeling Style. No idea why PF's tarrasque was so nerfed.
why does a creature like this have charisma?
Charisma doesn't necessarily mean beauty. It's presence as well. A tarrasque definitely has that.
I always thoight charisma is a bit like natural presence. Considering nobody is going to look past a Tarrasque, and that if a tarrasque can speak and tell you to jump, everyone is gonna jump. So it should have 20 charisma.
Why is it just 11? I guess its because it doesnt use CHA for anything, and its CHA save is +9 anyway, which is insanely high considering its always rolled with advantage.
Me
I am why
>he doesn't know
Because rules say that anything that's lacking a stat is either helpless, or if it's con that is missing, dead. S' why stat drain spells are so deadly - any stat drops to 0 and you're out. This includes charisma. So if your meathead barbarian gets hit with a Soul Scour or Touch of Idiocy, there's a good chance that one spell will drop his charisma to 0 and effectively kill him instantly.
To lure in a human male to mate with for life.
Reminds me of a Fallout text RP that used D&D style rules I was in once. Someone made a talking Deathclaw, and his online GF made a goddamn e-girl the admin allowed. The deathclaw proceeded to flip out at the worst time, kill several player characters for no real good reason, and then walked off and fricked the e-girl in a shed for several hours.
A ban followed afterwards.
Gygax admitted doing LSD, Weed, Shrooms, and Coke. So yeah.
Beholders are kino. BG3’s biggest crime is not having one in the sewers beneath Elfsong
I'm not the only one who finds beholders, and other monsters that have one-eye as their main body, ESPECIALLY ones with thick tentacles they can penetrate all my holes with, attractive, right?
>IM BEHOOLDINGGGGGGG
>AUUUUUUUUUUGH IM GONNA BEHOLD
>The 48 year old Behoolder.
Shivering Truth enjoyer
>cheese beholders by using Shield of Balduran (reflects beholder rays)
>Beholder eyestalk with steal ability takes it from your tank
>entire party wipes
Beholders and illithids are fun. Way more interesting to fight than black elves.
Beholders are cute! Cute!
PROTIP: If you search for "beholder arbuzbudesh" on rule34, you get a treasure chest that contains an erection only equippable by you.
For me, it's cyancapsule
WOULD.
Is this what happens when a Beholder wonders what it would be like as a woman?
Is the spectator in bg2 a bioware OC or do they get that silly in d&d canon as well? I thought beholders are all just evil monsters.
According to Forgotten Realm's Fandom page, it's been a thing since 1e
Beholders are all schizos, they won't necesserily murder you on sight but you're really risking it trying to deal with them at all
Spectators are constructs. A lesser beholder created by a wizard to protect/watch something.
Spectators can be polite and are neutral monsters. They do tend to be...quirky due to being stuck watching 1 thing forever though.
Beholders are the real deal. Bigger, stronger, more eyes, no wizard needed. Evil as shit and crazy as a bag of cats.
>The spectators tend to get a bit quirky at night
spectators are real creatures related to beholders and not constructs at all, they are just weaker but non butthole versions of beholders with severe autism instead
Damn. Likely getting my edition lore mixed up.
I like spectators as naturally occurring and less evil. That's cool.
i encountered 2 spectators in bg3 and they were both feral c**ts
they are autistic and are basically a thing you summon and then tell to guard a place for 100 years. It's not evil or does anything but it will just kill you if you approach the place.
Which is the case for the one encounter I can think of in bg3.
There was a spectator in bg 2 in the sahuagin city. He was pretty chill and you could reason with him.
DUDE JUST USE A FRICKING MIRROR DUDE OR ANOTHER BEHOLDER DUDE
>make your way through act 1 of Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance
>one of these frickers is just an eloquent Thieves Guild master and kind of an butthole fricking around for his own self-gain
Got to admit it caught me off-guard at the time.
For me it's the Fury
What the hell is that hideous game?
Probably the first Dungeon Siege, which may as well be another D&D style game with the serial numbers filed off and mob-rushing everything to death with large parties.
Why do you say that?
>tfw they renamed beholder in Tibia to the gay name bonelord
heh, nothin personell, eyeball-kun
I like beholders!
> on crack
so just energetic and arrogant?
Wait a second…
bro virtually all of western fantasy is influenced by tolkein and then in turn DnD.
Dude. It's the Astral Dreadnaught. Exact same face.
HOLD THE FRICKING PHONE
IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER??????????!!
>anon first learns of the verb: to behold
funny enough, beholders who gaze upon their goddess do not see her, but instead a larger version of themselves that they hold as perfection, therefore only further aggravating the idea that each beholder has of being the perfection of their species and the rest are all abominable buttholes they hate
literally, their own beauty is in the eye of the beholder
*completely shuts down beholders*
Weak ass item.
Minsc soloed the entire behold dungeon without taking a isngle point of damage with pic related.
>cacodemon with eyestalks
why can't D&D come up with anything original?
This thing can naturally cut an astral projected soul off from its body, leaving it stranded in the Astral Sea
Isn't that something every level 1 Githyanki can do with their silver swords?
Only the most elite knights get silver swords, if I remember correctly they are the equivalent of a +3 weapon in 2e so not any one will have one.
Regardless these are still one of the very few ways to cut that cord.
I thought those were standard issue for their raid parties, but I'll take your word for it. Been a while since I've looked at 2e stuff
Sounds pretty cool, where do I sign up?
No, it's more that a bunch of nerds in the late 70's with no artistic talent but a lot of interest in game design needed to fill their settings with as much shit as possible. Everything from fantasy or even sci-fi was effectively stolen.
All of Wizards unique IP stuff was based on what they could easily muster art wise or more obscure shit.
Most of their unique monsters are actually based on random chinese kaiju miniature molds (Some people say their Ultraman but I've never found a source).
The Beholder is rooted in a silly doodle likely inspired by Medusa's head. It was later artists that really cemented the distinct and cool design beholders have today.
Everything DND made is stolen in one way or another.
They got lucky with this because nobody knows if these toys were figures of kaiju from some Japanese media or just weird knock offs.
The designs are pretty distinct though, see if you can identify each Wizard's IP monster from these toys.
Rust monster mah homie!
There's also Owl Bear, Bullete and Umbral Hulk in there.
The Armadillo and the Lizard don't seem to have been picked up ever but I could be wrong.
landshark also known as bulette
based on a chinese monster. Said monster appeared in Big Trouble in Little China
You just made that up
my boy Large Luigi
no anon it wasn't crack it was dmt and the beholder is a methaphorical image of the universe.
The beholder on my team is a total stoner and talks like a surfer from long beach california.
How can a beholder not be OP in the group?
>How can a beholder not be OP in the group?
It depends on how stone, drunk or intoxicated he is.
>So like the Beholder from Steve Lichman?
no idea but now i have something to look into.
>He never heard about Steve Lichman
LOL threads really are shit now
You can read some of the comic here, it's pretty good
https://www.stevelichman.com/
Oh, it's comic book shit. I don't really read that stuff anymore, but it looks charming. Maybe I'll look into it sometime.
Yeah, it's one of the better ones too. It actually has a good story and the art is great
So like the Beholder from Steve Lichman?
Other party members are a depressed lich, a loser owlbear, a stoner lamia, and a creepy vampire
>who are these ugly mother frickers in my mirror?
Imagine the beholder speaking in an 80's movie overly black voice.
At least one got to be voiced by the late Tony Jay
Damn, that beholder's a dick.
I'm so glad the port for this game is great.
Shame AMD's latest drivers on windows broke it
For people who still use windows
they look better with the eye being huge
the one in bg3 was poggy
Literally just another Lovecraft rehash.
Okay this is a better video. Also funny that Karne is Michael Bell, so it's basically Raziel serving the Elder God.
OH N
What kind of autistic ass adventure would you have to be on to even end up fighting one of these
I mean there's beholderkin that live in asteroidbelts, somehow there's adventures that hit cosmic tiers for some reason.
the Paradox Dragon is actually really cool teebeeaiytch
>it's still a legal stat bloc
>the math probably checks out
Based autism
So is this a high tier enemy or not in its setting? With how ridiculously high the numbers are there has to be something even more bullshit sitting around
Why even make bullshit enemies like this?
So your hyper optimized power gamer party has something to fight
>Illithids
>Beholders
For me, it's Aboleths.
I'm a respecter of the good ol' Boneless Skeleton combo myself.
Those guys are the fricking coolest.
Seaholders are cute!
Deathkisses are pretty cute, I want (a placeholder) one as a GOO Warlock pet
every time I think of these things all I can think of is that horrible CGI one in the old 90s DnD movie with Marlon Wayans.
I think you will find that it was during the 70's and they were on LSD instead
It was the 70s so
>keep thinking of these things are the size of a tv
>they're the size of a truck
they were made up by a kid who Gary Gygax adopted named Robert Kuntz back in 1974
Kuntz is still making AD&D material I think
what a fricking kunt
Should I get into Dungeons & Dragons?
At first. I always found homebrewing with my friends more fun.
Here's one by Amano for Final Fantasy I
They changed it in the English version
to this
looks like one of those two aliens from the Simpsons
What was their name again? Lurr?
Kang and Kodos.
Lurr is from Futurama
I am Lurr, ruler of the planet Omicron Perseus VIII!
beholder? I hardly know 'er!
>BG3/D&D thread
>No shitposting
>People calmly discussing things
Is this Ganker? Am I lost?
all the discord trannies have moved onto AC. BG3 is old news.
so wait
are all the politics threads seriously just discord raids?
i've been feeling the exact same way
Literally just a tiny handful of people who live solely on shitposting and stirring shit, they move to whatever is getting the most threads on Ganker and take huge watery shits all over any thread they see. Ganker is unusable for the first few weeks of any given release.
The shazam troony discord raids were always real
Baldur's Gate did not invent Beholders.
This creature has appeared in Sword & Sorcery fantasy films dating back to at least the 80s before games barely had graphics.
There were films?
Big Trouble in Little China is the only one i can think of right now but yea. seen this creature in various forms as a kid in 80s movies/shows
you ok schizo?
how about you stop indulging in your escapeitshiterry and stop being a lefty onions cuck comunist """"non-binary"""" satanist and start seeing realitty cause its going to happen whether you like it or not
what do you think i am, an extradimensional being??