Why are bards ridiculed?

Why are bards ridiculed?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because the isekai manga conveyor authors are moronic and have to rely on 3 same gimmicks to try and sell their swivel.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's pretty standard faire "I got the shitty powers, but I'll use it to become a god" of 99% of this shit. Don't be surprised if twenty chapters later she learns the isekai equivalent of Vicious Mockery that's so demoralizing it makes people commit sudoku.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >This. It's pretty standard faire "I got the shitty powers, but I'll use it to become a god" of 99% of this shit.
        Frankly I'm surprised it's not more popular on /tg/ given the enthusiasm for "the everyman is actually the special one" scenarios ie Human Male Fighter, HFY etc.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Most isekai writers are impatient, and so is their audience, so they essentially push the hero out of being a scrub creatively using their one useful power or improving themselves in other ways to make them godlings in just a few chapters as part of the power fantasy. Most of /tg/ would demand a story more like Goblin Slayer where the Human Male Fighter is stuck with his own talents and uses his "cleverness" to win the day by way of either tried and true killing methods, having chemistry or engineering knowledge despite living in a mudhole style medieval age, or using magic items in ways they were not intended just cause they can. Stories like the one OP posted would get cheers for the first few chapters, then immediate boos and cries of "dogshit" the moment they get a hint of a power-up.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because the class fantasy (jack of all trades rockstar) is at odds with their mechanical reality (master of none inferior buffer/debuffer).

            Most games are often tuned around challenging masters of certain skills rather than the average character. For example lock DCs are based on maxed out Rogue skill checks and Enemy ACs are based more on what Fighters, Paladins and Barbarians can hit with near max Strength. This causes the jack of all trades to under perform on practically everything.

            For buffing and debuffing, Clerics and Wizards often have more powerful buffs/debuffs that only effect a limited number of targets while Bards can often effect a much greater number of targets with weaker buffs. Since most games have a low participant numbers for combats on the PC side buffing a greater number of participants is not as advantageous as single target buffs.

            >Most isekai writers are impatient, and so is their audience, so they essentially push the hero out of being a scrub creatively using their one useful power or improving themselves in other ways to make them godlings in just a few chapters as part of the power fantasy.

            Which is why those powers are called "cheats."

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >bard
              >inferior
              Tell me again how you don't play games.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The bards have spend the most of the third edition of DnD as the gimped spellcasters with subbar martial skills being essentially the more magically competent skill monkeys than the rouges. The diplomancy builds were all about busting the broken RAW. I have to agree that the 5e bards are actually competitive, but that's because they are the full casters with the ability to pic and choose the spell combost from the multiple lists.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Bards had up to level 6 spells in 3e
                That alone put them above half of the other classes in the PHB.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I know, but they were still far from the full caster dominated top tiers.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              When was the last time you played a bard in d&d, 3.5?
              Back then they were like you describe, area buffers that weren't very optimal, but in 4e and 5e they were/are top tier.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >. Most of /tg/ would demand a story more like Goblin Slayer
            No.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >more like goblin slayer
              I'd prefer something with depth

              You're in the minority, worthless manlets.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I'm pretty sure most of /tg/ likes the idea of Goblin Slayer but hates the execution.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The execution is perfect, you're just a goblin.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >The execution is perfect, you're just a goblin.
                >literally just a generic dime-a-dozen harem manga that occasionally shows random unimportant characters dying/being raped

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >seething this hard nobody likes goblin slayer
                >falling for babbies first deconstruction
                lol

                Soiboi posts.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >so low T he doesn't even know how to greentext
                lol

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                You're in the minority, worthless manlets.

                >seething this hard nobody likes goblin slayer
                >falling for babbies first deconstruction
                lol

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Redditor

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >trying to call other people reddit while admitting to basic b***h tastes
                lol

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >more like goblin slayer
            I'd prefer something with depth

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think you understand HFY very well

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >the isekai equivalent of Vicious Mockery that's so demoralizing it makes people commit sudoku.
        Killing people through superior shit talking is pretty based tbdesu

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I'm so used to reading in weeb order that for a second I thought the sheer badassness of Ghost Rider caused the dead guy to come back to life and readjust his broken neck to witness him.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >you are already fed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Swill, not swivel.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I like how you fricked up swill and drivel and mixed them into an already existing word that means neither.

        Curse my ESL heritage. I'll go commit Sapporo immediately.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I like how you fricked up swill and drivel and mixed them into an already existing word that means neither.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's pretty standard faire "I got the shitty powers, but I'll use it to become a god" of 99% of this shit. Don't be surprised if twenty chapters later she learns the isekai equivalent of Vicious Mockery that's so demoralizing it makes people commit sudoku.

      Most isekai writers are impatient, and so is their audience, so they essentially push the hero out of being a scrub creatively using their one useful power or improving themselves in other ways to make them godlings in just a few chapters as part of the power fantasy. Most of /tg/ would demand a story more like Goblin Slayer where the Human Male Fighter is stuck with his own talents and uses his "cleverness" to win the day by way of either tried and true killing methods, having chemistry or engineering knowledge despite living in a mudhole style medieval age, or using magic items in ways they were not intended just cause they can. Stories like the one OP posted would get cheers for the first few chapters, then immediate boos and cries of "dogshit" the moment they get a hint of a power-up.

      1-HP Munchkin is decent. Not great, but refreshingly aware of PnP systems (seems to be very loosely based on 3.5), isekai gimmick of the MC basically stealing the DM Guidebook before he's sent to the other world, getting cursed to never be able to add to his HP total, and just trying to powergame as much as possible because he will die if he takes even a single hit. Includes him bullying a failpaladin into switching gods for better minmaxing, abusing a druid familiar using Size Change, and Finally taking a hit, during the stereotypical lucky pervert moment in the baths, except she rolled a critical with an improvised weapon so it actually did damage and killed him.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Where the doujins?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cringe

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ah isekai otherwise known as the “how fast can we contrive the main character getting a harem” genre

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because modern DnDogshit turned them from esoteric academics who dabbled in a bit of everything to gay snowflake musicians who are constantly horny for degenerate shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's because they went from dabblers who did a bit of everything to magical rogues who have to invest in charisma.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're flat.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because D&D is anarcho-libertarian-randian genocide simulator.

    There are no roads, no public security and no society, so somebody whose power is memetically bullying you, besmirching your memory and kicking your family's credit rating to the curb forevermore is just completely irrelevant from a gameplay perspective.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They're not wizards, they're not clerics, they're not even fighters, I don't get why people play classes like that.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      To be "quirky" and "different".

      AKA, bards are usually played by the same type of homosexual who plays rainbow-colored tieflings. It's a desperate cry for attention based on nothing but being "special" in the most superficial way because their parents never loved them and they spend all day on social media and cartoon porn websites.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        i'm playing a halfling barbarian/bard and i'm just a fricking Dex based Meatshield. Its fun buffing my buds while staring down an evil wizard but i guess you can be upset about it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I just want to relive my childhood memories play this chad

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        A fantasy of being a smooth talker that uses his wits more than raw power has nothing to do with it. You let twitter poison your mind

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Failing to account for theater and band kids
        shiggy diggy my niggy

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What are you talking about? He just described every theater/ band kid ever

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They want to play a class that is helpful without directly doing damage, and they are atheists who hate their religious parents.

      Or they are musicians, writers, or actors and want a class that represents that.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >They want to play a class that is helpful without directly doing damage
        Anon, I don't understand.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They want a class that buffs/heals allies or debuffs enemies. They don't want to smack things with a weapon or a spell because
          >I don't like violence
          >I don't like killing things
          >My character is a pacifist
          >Can't we reason with them?
          >Simply dealing damage is too braindead easy
          >I was abused in the past and don't want to hurt things
          Or some variation of one of those

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can't wrap my head around it, sounds like those homosexual clerics who want to do things other than heal, this is why I prefer all wizard parties, none of this gay storyshitter shit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >>Can't we reason with them?
            With five bards, anyone can be your groupie.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They want a class that buffs/heals allies or debuffs enemies. They don't want to smack things with a weapon or a spell because
          >I don't like violence
          >I don't like killing things
          >My character is a pacifist
          >Can't we reason with them?
          >Simply dealing damage is too braindead easy
          >I was abused in the past and don't want to hurt things
          Or some variation of one of those

          When I played a pacifist Bard, it was as a challenge to myself, since I had in the past been playing a lot of combat monster characters that trivialized combat, and it got boring.
          Following further on that, I also wanted to instead lift others up and give them a chance to shine, especially given I had a decade more of experience than anyone else at the table.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Playing a support class is one of the only times where you can shamelessly and heavily optimize and minmax without anyone getting pissy because
            >My character feels useless compared to yours
            or
            >It feels like there's no danger, we can't die, everything just gets healed

            Bards and Divine Soul Sorcerers are really good at that.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Whole post is trufax
              >Bards and Divine Soul Sorcerers are really good at that.
              Yeah, and coincidentally they're some of my favorites to play

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Everybody but the DM likes an overpowered support class. Hell I never had any issues with the DM when I was belting out 5d6 sonic damage per attack buffs from that one 3.5 bard build because all the melee/archery gays loved that shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      because the bard spell list is pretty good, and they can multi into useful characters

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Most Notorius Talker

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Man, that's some terrible art.

      And I say that as somebody who used to read BL.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because they were based on a patrician yet too obscure fantasy archetype which does not fit with the current iteration of Tropes & Shenanigans.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    for anyone that wants to read this
    https://mangadex.org/title/826aec63-3fa8-413d-9a40-d2d1ef262725/saikyou-no-shien-shoku-wajutsushi-dearu-ore-wa-sekai-saikyou-kuran-o-shitagaeru

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >read this
      >its a born with a class fantasy story
      cringe
      >not isekai
      pause?
      >its literally about a bard
      >he starts a guild so he could be in charge and buff people making him "effectively" the strongest
      >no cheats
      ok wait I thought this was supposed to be bad?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The art is kinda shit and there's probably a dozend similar series out there.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          yeah but that doesn't equal bad. its just fine.
          also chapter 2
          >mc has a gun
          hmmmmm
          >he has hold monster
          hmmmmmmmmmm
          >is bad at combat 1v1 combat and actually taking down enemies
          ok!

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >You look just like your deceased mother

            Pulls no punches.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous
              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                "Femboys are the highes tier of hotness, appealing to all genders and races. Now hand over that GP."

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                ok i'm done with the first arc
                its actually good

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Are the English translators this bad or do japs just talk like morons

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                translating things literally leads to a stilted result which is frequently wildly over or underdramatic and even outright nonsensical things when idioms get brought in
                translating things less literally can lead to a lack of accuracy which can make it sound stupid in a completely different direction
                this is a common problem in translation made worse by japanese being linguistically "far" from english, as opposed to, say, french which is about as close to english as france is to england

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Add to that the fact that manga translators are absolutely bottom of the barrel and get paid peanuts.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Bards should be spies and assassins.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thom Marrilin is best bard.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dark Sun

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Japs don't play games.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    someone should take away your ability to make threads.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Being a musician it's on the bottom tier things you can do irl, because it's almost impossible to do it reliably as a way to live.
    You need to either go compete with 1000 other people on tv, be the son of the son of someone, be handsome enough at the right place to be an industry plant...
    Meritocracy in music is a 1-in-a-thousand thing, just to be able to live. 1 in a million to be "big"
    Doing it in fantasy is laughable.
    It's also a moron concept.
    It's like playing a painter that buff the party in the off-time drawing things

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You literally just pointed out why someone would play a bard as their fantasy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Most roleplaying games are set in places without recorded media or mass media. There is a whole lot more demand for performing musicians in that kind of environment, and a traveling bard really just needs to make room and board. They also are going to be open to taking odd jobs to make money on the side and if they travel, they have to be able to fight well enough that bandits don't give them trouble. Hence becoming adventurers.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Being a musician it's on the bottom tier things you can do irl, because it's almost impossible to do it reliably as a way to live.
        You need to either go compete with 1000 other people on tv, be the son of the son of someone, be handsome enough at the right place to be an industry plant...
        Meritocracy in music is a 1-in-a-thousand thing, just to be able to live. 1 in a million to be "big"
        Doing it in fantasy is laughable.
        It's also a moron concept.
        It's like playing a painter that buff the party in the off-time drawing things

        Even nowadays you have live bands playing and people singing karaoke. You don't need to be a big name to be a musician. As much as mass media (including Ganker) thinks that obscure things are bad.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    memes
    that's it
    it's just a meme that has become so widespread it's practically a genre convention for bad fantasy
    depending on game and edition, bard varies in power, but rarely hits top or bottom tier
    it's a support character after all, and, used properly, a support character makes *others* outperform their tier - but typically doesn't succeed in other roles
    this is confused for being all-around bad by people who judge by blastiest spells or biggest swords as well as people who just try to play it as something it's not

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1) In 1e and 2e Bards were nerds who went to collages. You literally had to go Rogue, Fighter, Druid, and THEN into Bard, if you had a high enough Charisma.
    2) 3.x made Bards the bawd class.
    3) Historically bards were nerds who learned everything about people and sang and wrote of their deeds. Meanwhile monks and priests were second and third sons sent ti monasteries to not cause a civil war and ate better than kings and fricked more women than them as well.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Joined a game years ago that was already progressing a bit. Dual wielding Barb / Ranger, dual wielding rogue, summon focused druid, summon focused wizard. I looked at that and said "I'll make a Bard."

    Took the +1 buffs from feat, spell, & masterwork instrument for Inspire Heroics or whatever with Lingering Song feat. Giving the dual wielding PC's +4 to hit and damage along with multi attack creature summons = OP as frick in 3.5 or Pathfinder at lvl 3-5, and only gets stronger from there.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because most of them aren't METAL

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The fluff sounds absurd if you don't know the cultural background of skalds and bards and whatnot.
    >so you have the guy who studies magic
    >the guy who gets his magic from a patron or a god
    >the guy who was born with it
    >all right
    >but this gay here, he sings and it's magic because...

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    because it's a long way to the top if you wanna rock n' roll

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The two people who I have ever seen actually play bard were the really fat girl in my highschool drama class who would constantly try and seduce everything and was really obnoxious to the point we didn't invite her back for our game senior year and a really chill musically inclined dude who just is there to have a good time, roll some dice, and hang out.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    because they fill a useless party slot
    >less charismatic than the Paladin
    >not as sneaky as the thief
    >lacks the magic of the Wizard/Sorcerer
    >healing cannot compare to a Cleric
    the only reason people play bard is if they wanna be the "suave flirty guy"

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'd be concerned if the bard didn't max out his charisma

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to social be a social Solar exalted. Anything less is worthless

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, lemme just roll one up in my SWN game.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My Dragonborn Bard fights Hand to Hand with Fighting astyle mastery borrowing Unarmed fighting from the fighter. He may as well gave the middle name "Flexington" because his CHA is 18 but I made his STR 20. He entertains by wrestling and bar brawling with performance checks and fights Frontline on adventure while making room for his spells and class abilities when necessary.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else make a Bard who's an exotic dancer trying to leave that part of her life behind, but it's what she's best at so she kind of has to until she can learn another way to do performances

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