I want a lovecraftian fantasy where half the goal of the game is just making sense of a world turned upside down.
It doesn't even have to actually make sense, it just requires (You) to make sense of it and take notes to progress.
The games on the right look like gaudy, overdesigned anime shit. The games on the left have more distinctive atmosphere, art direction, gameplay and storytelling styles from one another, despite similar worldbuilding tropes.
Becayse Japan is a country of manchildren who are so far gone into escapism that their able to channel it for childlike creativity. The west isn't that far gone yet.
By the chats standard it's just Tolkein Fantasy. In general high fantasy is seen as fantasy with the fantasy elements turned up. Lots of magic, dragons and unicorns and shit, where as the term low fantasy is the opposite, very little magic. Game of Thrones or Conan is an example of Low Fantasy whereas Heroes of Might and Magic is an example of High Fantasy. Or so I see people using the terms on the internet, wikipedia has a completely different definition so I guess I don't know what the frick I'm talking about.
People keep getting it wrong. High fantasy is set in another world. Low fantasy is set in ours.
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But for some reason people started conflating and confusing it with high and low magic. High fantasy is something else entirely. It doesn't actually mean something that just has a lot of fantasy elements to it. It's in reference to the level of abstraction relative to out own world.
JRPGs taught me to not judge a book by it's cover. Most of them were complete shit despite having colorful atmospheres. The environments alone can't carry shit gameplay, characters, writing, and voice acting.
>Creative as Jap counter parts
OH im sorry that western RPGs dont follow the same fricking boring as jap RPG story that EVERY FRICKING ONE follows >Child protagonist >Amnesia >Has latent powers form a forgotten god >Chosen one >Party consists of Pious Female healer, Rowdy and rough mercenary with a big jaw and stubble uses a big fricking sword slung over his shoulder. A Sexy goth damage dealing witch/sexy princess damage dealing witch. Old mentor that is a buffing character. >Uses the power of friendship to find the McGuffin item >Anima protagonist goes through transformation and gets white hair >protagonist kills a god and saves the day.
>everything is tolkein
???
Just because of generic race names or something? >Muh East vers West
Ah so it's disingenuous thread. See you when the next generic anime-esque """RPG""" releases from Japan. That's a few weeks or something?
Because most WRPGs are inspired by Dungeons & Dragons or some other tabletop setting, which is pretty much Tolkien Fantasy. There are other WRPGs that aren't Tolkien Fantasy like Kingdom Come, which is pretty realistic as far as things go.
What I'm saying is just because a game has these incredibly broad things in it doesn't make it Tolkien Fantasy, and to even imply a game is Tolkien-esque because it has >Dragons, different races, underground creatures, even big underground locations and magic shit
is moronic
Most JRPG series were also inspired by Western fantasy and tabletops when they started out and it carried over to this day for some of them. So much so they're often archaic in their design when it comes to gameplay. They're just mixing different stuff in the setting.
Medieval Fantasy is the best setting to ensure both good variety of gameplay scenarios, enemies and high degree of player expression, At least without going out of your way to program absurd alien/tech stuff in a scifi game, which is possible with modern technology but the required creativity to make it work is rare.
JRPGs usually just use the turn-based FF and anime standards and inject them into random weird setting. More creative, but the games aren't necessarily better because of it.
Western devs have a hardon for gritty realism and for some reason it is more believable if it's built off known well known European myths and folklore. As for the Tolkien stuff, well his world just became so popular that it is essentially a modern mythology at this point.
Anyone who thinks this is Autistic, to think japan doesnt pull the same shit as westerners.
Japan just uses anime as THEIR influence instead, because theres so much variety in Anime regarding sci-fi and fantasy.
If you actually watch anime though, you'll seriously notice the tropes are Very Repetitive and Very Common.
WRPGs and JRPGs are no more or less creative then the other. They just pull from media from their culture (books, movies, vidya for westerners) (manga, anime, vidya for japanese). To say "its more creative" just means your only reasoning is that your an Anime Fan, and therefore, your opinion is invalid
I'm willing to argue that via the difficulty of finding a non-anime-styled JRPG being astronomically lesser than finding a non-LOTR/SW-styled WRPG that JRPGs tend to be more varied. Off the top of my head I immediately can channel any of the Fromsoft Fantasy titles, The Last Remnant, Resonance of Fate, Dragon's Dogma, etc. I literally have to wrack my mind to find a WRPG that doesn't have some variant of Orc/Elf/Dwarves or is set in a space federation violently similarly to something inspired by Star Trek or Star Wars.
More corporate control forcing things to be as safe as possible or attached to already successful IPs
I want a lovecraftian fantasy where half the goal of the game is just making sense of a world turned upside down.
It doesn't even have to actually make sense, it just requires (You) to make sense of it and take notes to progress.
The games on the right look like gaudy, overdesigned anime shit. The games on the left have more distinctive atmosphere, art direction, gameplay and storytelling styles from one another, despite similar worldbuilding tropes.
Because modern western creatives don't know anything beyond Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and superheroes as influences.
Becayse Japan is a country of manchildren who are so far gone into escapism that their able to channel it for childlike creativity. The west isn't that far gone yet.
everything on the left looks a million times better than the shit on the right
The Japanese shit isn't actually creative, it's all just windowdressing to hide their same repeated tropes they use over and over.
What's high fantasy?
LotR and D&D style fantasy.
the difference between high and low fantasy is basically just the magic and mystical creatures
By the chats standard it's just Tolkein Fantasy. In general high fantasy is seen as fantasy with the fantasy elements turned up. Lots of magic, dragons and unicorns and shit, where as the term low fantasy is the opposite, very little magic. Game of Thrones or Conan is an example of Low Fantasy whereas Heroes of Might and Magic is an example of High Fantasy. Or so I see people using the terms on the internet, wikipedia has a completely different definition so I guess I don't know what the frick I'm talking about.
>By the chats standard
Wtf is the "chats standard"?
It means he needs to go back.
I think he meant "by the chart's standard"
It's a different vibe
People keep getting it wrong. High fantasy is set in another world. Low fantasy is set in ours.
The real meaning is
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But for some reason people started conflating and confusing it with high and low magic. High fantasy is something else entirely. It doesn't actually mean something that just has a lot of fantasy elements to it. It's in reference to the level of abstraction relative to out own world.
They're not. It's just isntead of ripping off d&d/tolkein, they just rip off manga.
Dragons and elves and shit. Generic rubbish.
what's the WW2 JRPG?
Valkyria chronicles
>the west doesn't make enough world war 2 games
someone put effort into that jpeg and they shouldnt have
All western WW2 games are just FPS though.
>he hasn't played Silent Storm
>the west doesnt make enough world war 2 games
>but with open world and crafting
bro slow down the innovation is just too fast my brain cant keep up
>JRPGs
>Creative
>Literally every story is either le god is le evil or le world is le gainst me
>implying it's any different for wrpgs
>le god is le evil or le world is le gainst me
Can you even name four games that are like this that aren't SMT?
Main characters in WRPGs are boring as well.
JRPGs taught me to not judge a book by it's cover. Most of them were complete shit despite having colorful atmospheres. The environments alone can't carry shit gameplay, characters, writing, and voice acting.
learn moon
Japanese WRPGs > WRPGs
Who coined the term Role Playing Game for vidya? Aren't most video games technically RPGs?
>Creative as Jap counter parts
OH im sorry that western RPGs dont follow the same fricking boring as jap RPG story that EVERY FRICKING ONE follows
>Child protagonist
>Amnesia
>Has latent powers form a forgotten god
>Chosen one
>Party consists of Pious Female healer, Rowdy and rough mercenary with a big jaw and stubble uses a big fricking sword slung over his shoulder. A Sexy goth damage dealing witch/sexy princess damage dealing witch. Old mentor that is a buffing character.
>Uses the power of friendship to find the McGuffin item
>Anima protagonist goes through transformation and gets white hair
>protagonist kills a god and saves the day.
EVERY. FRICKING. TIME.
the last 3 wrpgs I played all follow this formula though
I KNOW! and it fricking sucks ass.
he's right
>The Future for both of them
If only we knew
?Blocks your path
>everything is tolkein
???
Just because of generic race names or something?
>Muh East vers West
Ah so it's disingenuous thread. See you when the next generic anime-esque """RPG""" releases from Japan. That's a few weeks or something?
Because most WRPGs are inspired by Dungeons & Dragons or some other tabletop setting, which is pretty much Tolkien Fantasy. There are other WRPGs that aren't Tolkien Fantasy like Kingdom Come, which is pretty realistic as far as things go.
Can you even call most of TES Tolkien fantasy anyway?
Shit, Skyrim should be called "Viking Fantasy"
Well it does have a lot of fantastical elements. Dragons, different races, underground creatures, even big underground locations and magic shit.
So is dragon quest a tolkien fantasy then? Is Drakengard?
Dunno, didn't play them
basically you're moronic
Counterpoint: You're double moronic
rebuttal: no u
Argument: no
DQ is a parody of tolkien fantasy and DoD is a satire of tolkien fantasy
Ok, how about Chrono Trigger?
Steampunk fantasy? I never played it
What I'm saying is just because a game has these incredibly broad things in it doesn't make it Tolkien Fantasy, and to even imply a game is Tolkien-esque because it has
>Dragons, different races, underground creatures, even big underground locations and magic shit
is moronic
Most JRPG series were also inspired by Western fantasy and tabletops when they started out and it carried over to this day for some of them. So much so they're often archaic in their design when it comes to gameplay. They're just mixing different stuff in the setting.
westoids can't do anything right, what else is new
Medieval Fantasy is the best setting to ensure both good variety of gameplay scenarios, enemies and high degree of player expression, At least without going out of your way to program absurd alien/tech stuff in a scifi game, which is possible with modern technology but the required creativity to make it work is rare.
JRPGs usually just use the turn-based FF and anime standards and inject them into random weird setting. More creative, but the games aren't necessarily better because of it.
>jap ww2 game
Has Japan ever made a WW2 game where they're the good guys? Rape of Nanjing simulator?
Daiteikoku
What's the game in the jrpg high fantasy?
you should add a western jrpg character from sudeki on the right just for meme potential
I could imagine the one on the left banging the one on the right like a yaoi fanfic
Replace Luso with Aurora and you've got a primo shitpost
People don't actually want new or creative. Look at how humans and elves are always the most popular races.
>weebshit
>weebshit
>weebshit
>weebshit
>don't know what game it is, but I bet it's weebshit
Western devs have a hardon for gritty realism and for some reason it is more believable if it's built off known well known European myths and folklore. As for the Tolkien stuff, well his world just became so popular that it is essentially a modern mythology at this point.
japan good west bad i get it you are a weeb we already got it from the start
Anyone who thinks this is Autistic, to think japan doesnt pull the same shit as westerners.
Japan just uses anime as THEIR influence instead, because theres so much variety in Anime regarding sci-fi and fantasy.
If you actually watch anime though, you'll seriously notice the tropes are Very Repetitive and Very Common.
WRPGs and JRPGs are no more or less creative then the other. They just pull from media from their culture (books, movies, vidya for westerners) (manga, anime, vidya for japanese). To say "its more creative" just means your only reasoning is that your an Anime Fan, and therefore, your opinion is invalid
are you saying the majority of v doesn’t watch anime?!?!
I'm willing to argue that via the difficulty of finding a non-anime-styled JRPG being astronomically lesser than finding a non-LOTR/SW-styled WRPG that JRPGs tend to be more varied. Off the top of my head I immediately can channel any of the Fromsoft Fantasy titles, The Last Remnant, Resonance of Fate, Dragon's Dogma, etc. I literally have to wrack my mind to find a WRPG that doesn't have some variant of Orc/Elf/Dwarves or is set in a space federation violently similarly to something inspired by Star Trek or Star Wars.
have you even played Fallout?
>fallout is tokien fantasy
>mass effect is tokien fantasy
>kotor is tokien fantasy
A good JRPG is nothing but a myth. They're all the same garbage with the usual garbage writing one can expect from Jap game.
>all the westoids seething itt
JRPG's are to colorful and cheery for my tastes, Im not a Nintendo b***hboy.