This.
Did MC, fragged some people in WSG, and had my fill. Release BC servers and ill work on getting my arena rating up, but WoW classic PVP is the worst. It exclusively rewards time and not skill.
alliance stopped playing in p2 because the endless camping in the open world. MC raid logging got boring and most people are fully geared. PvP ranking was is just AV spamming and made many people quit. as usual nlizzard have no clue what they are doing and add some changes that make no sense when it's way too late. BWL will bring some people back but from there it just will go downhill. even streamers rather play on upcoming private servers that release at the end of the month than dealing with classic. we can only blame ourselves for thinking blizzard might not ruin classic when the legacy movement asked for it.
Many of those issues would had been hard to prevent, for instance you can't really stop people from going full no life, but I will never understand why Blizzard takes 0 actions towards maintaining a healthy horde/alliance balance when it is absolutely needed in order for the game to work. They never bothered with it even in retail, until in they end they took the easy way out and made it not matter by outright removing world pvp and letting you queue into battlegrounds as the opposite faction.
They should have released ZG, BGs and DM altogether with the first patch.
World PVP wasn't content and it was abysmal because nochangesgays who never played the game thought worldpvp would be fun after seeing a couple of pvp montages in reality it turned out what exactly real old players said a griefing clusterfrick of an experience that made the bad faction balance even worse.
It isn't because of "you think you do but you don't" people are quitting. It is because whole content release is managed horribly.
im not even 60 and wow classic is the only game i have played since october. no complaints so far. my classic server is more populated than my original vanilla server was, easy to find groups, ah is stocked really good and prices are low too. also people are more relaxed and helpful than back in the day.
They didn't even bring the game back. Mechanics are from the end of classic after all the buffs and things like the debuff limit being twice what it was in real classic made Rag a joke. I really wanted another shot at the 'mathematically impossible' pre-nerf Rag but he'll go undefeated for all time it seems.
Classic peaked at level 25 in Hillsbrad, a week after launch, when just running back and forth through past the yeti cave was exciting and engaging.
There is literally no reason to play anymore.
In a few years from now, the first few things that would come to mind when I look back on my experience with classic wow would be
>bis lists
>getting farmed by groups of 10-20 people everytime I land in any of the high level zones
>playing with a massive number disadvantage in AV thanks to premades
>10-15 people staying AFK/botting every AV
>shitloads of botters in general
>getting flamed because I'm more interested in winning the game instead of mindlessly killing NPCs for honor before everybody gives up since 'it's pointless to continue since we aren't getting honor'
>unlearning mining because all the nodes are camped
>not getting a single piece of loot in 6 weeks of raiding
>rarely getting invited to groups because rogues doesn't have any aoe
>having to pay people to tank in dungeons
>mages and warriors
>devilsaur mafia
>people mass reporting a guy on my server and got him muted for days because he did enchanting work without demanding a fee
>twitch emotes in the ingame chat
>20 second freezes in major cities and BRM on raid nights
>the game isn't actually hard
>people asking for #nochanges
>people asking for #changes because the game is busted and everyone is abusing it
>the moment I realized how a lot of the changes (those that everyone blamed WoWs drop in quality/popularity on) that were made to retail wow in the years following vanilla actually made sense considering the issues they had to address
I wish I never played it because the knowledge that a game like this, played almost exclusively by people like that, actually exists is very disturbing
I had to quit when I saw most people in my guild were older people with wives. The types of people who should have families by now but they object to doing simple things with their spouses in favour of an mmo.
It was quite depressing to see.
Because I cleared all content back during Vanilla. Sure, it was pretty amazing walking into Westfall for the first time in 15 years, doing all the quests in Duskwood and venturing into old school dungeons uncorrupted by Cataclysm and the modern philosophy of WoW.
But the nostalgia wore off after about a month or so.
Honour system ruined it for me because I didn't no life it to lvl 60 like everyone else. Made it impossible to even play when you're trying to level in the 50s and I don't want to play PVE.
Terrible playerbase meets terrible developers happened. At least it proved Classic + with current blizz would be a mistake.
I just hope it won't decline so much it will ruin chances of getting other expansions.
>in vanilla used to find groups of people exploring weird areas, raids on opposite factions main cities, generally all around warming affect with most people outside the autism guilds being open to adventure. people would hang out and chitchat, you could shoot the breeze about your life or server events
>in classic, situation is flipped. no one does anything outside of raiding/AV. no one explores, no one has any kind of guild events, world bosses aren't even thought about, no one chats with anyone else unless its in their personal interest
maybe people realized that exploration and raiding other capitals isnt rewarded, which is a game design failure.
it wasnt that common back in vanilla either.
My guild was full of people who play the game like a job (and still had the normal corruption dick sucking social ladder) and made it their mission to make the alliance quit so they control every facet of the server.
BGs didnt come out fast enough
I had time off and hit 60 within the first 2 weeks and had prebis by the 5th week
I played until DM came out so I could get my warlock mount and then stopped playing
I wish people would stop playing on my server. Even being on a PvE server it's still next to impossible to farm because every decent farming spot is heavily camped. I've resorted to fishing and leveling a Mage alt so I can farm ZF because it's gotten so bad.
>Why did everyone stop playing? I still play but everyone else rushed through it like an omega loser neckbeard. There's absolutely no reason to be level 60 in under 4 months. Like don't y'all fricking have lives? When everyone rushes levels it just makes the game really unfun for people who actually have lives, because the -40 zones are pretty much vacant
It was supposed to be a way for future generations and those who missed it to enjoy the game as it was before they made major changes.
Instead you got 5% of private server autists and 90% of the server that follows them ignoring half of the game because it's "suboptimal".
I didn't play because I knew Neo-Blizz would frick it up, and they did. Avoided it like the plague and I clearly dodged a bullet. I know a guy who got his server's first TF and he did so by no-lifing the frick out of it on a server that caps out at 2k people. The problem is you can never recreate the feeling of original vanilla WoW because everyone has theorycrafted every single aspect of it to mundanity. Guilds were full clearing raids on the day they were released, they shouldn't have even tried to recreate the classic feel. They should have tried to recreate the private server feel, with the polish that their funding and man power could bring. I enjoyed Nost the most when it was peaking at 15k concurrent players, it was chaotic madness, there was not one single place you could go without running into a bunch of people and it was great. Questing was tough because of it but it also meant getting a group was stupidly easy. Being a Paladin I leveled almost entirely off of dungeon healing.
It also meant getting a raid slot was a lot easier, and because everything got cleared so fast getting your T2 was just a matter of waiting. took me like 4-5 months to get mine but across all the server transfers I must have gotten a good 2.5 year's use out of it and it was fantastic. I miss it.
inb4
>those hotbars
I have an MMO mouse with a keypad, frick off.
>2005 to 2010 >p servers were all about silly fun cross faction parties and world channels full of shitposting >2010+ >every fricking p server basically tries hard to be vanilla-er than WoW was
please....
Vanilla pservers were still relatively fine. Even ED under feenix wasn't completely terrible. Nost ruined everything tho and things were never the same after.
I don't have the time to play it, takes too long to do everything, and I have a life now and I'm no longer a 14-year-old. I did play it until level 35, but had to stop, too much time wasted.
> don’t want to play on PVE servers > leveling on a PVP mega server such as Herod became a monumental task when ranks dropped > too proud and refuse to roll on pve server
In the end, I just lost all motivation and dropped it, other than that, I enjoyed it a lot
why are wowbabs so adamant on "muh world peeveepee" when 98% of it is either people leveling in groups of 3+ people camping the quest zones to kill stragglers or bored high level camping the quest zones to kill stragglers?
One of the finally wow-related redpills is that pvp is a stupid minigame, only enjoyed by absolutely subpar players who get rapped in actual pvp games or people who haven't discovered masturbation.
Honestly the only good thing about WoW world PvP was the sheer chaos of captial cities raid as a low level
The excitement, the feeling of doing something "big" even though you'd die if you got sneezed on, the panic when the raid group moved faster than you and you were left behind with few guards left over and respawning enemy low level characters running around like headless chickens like "wtf just happened"
God I'd love if they had a PVP server that expressly didn't have an honor system. It was so much fun when people would only fight if they have to (or if they just felt like being a dick) and try to be friends the rest of the time. The lack of incentives leads to natural incentives occurring, it made PVP about honor, justice, natural supplies and territory instead of just capital Honor.
I got bored of logging MC and didn't want to level up more characters.
I don't get how some people can play through the same fricking zones and quest 10 fricking times, even with different roles it's the same shit for 90% of leveling. That and blizzard being such a shitty company I really can't justify giving them my money every month
No one got max rank in the original system without stupid shit like account sharing. I got to 12 nolifing it and hit a wall so I just went around killing the mushroom vendor instead so we'd not throttle at SS.
>WHY DID EVERYONE STOP PLAYING, WHAT HAPPENED? OMG DEAD GAME
t. some homosexual who was never really into this game in the first place
stop with the shill threads, dumb Black person
Ran out of shit to do. I thought I did and I did, then I beat the content faster than they release it and I'm not a raidlogging homosexual
This.
Did MC, fragged some people in WSG, and had my fill. Release BC servers and ill work on getting my arena rating up, but WoW classic PVP is the worst. It exclusively rewards time and not skill.
just like with Classic TBC servers will be ruined by tryhards and zoomers jerking off to their favorite streamer on their 2nd monitor
Yeah I agree, but at least I will have some reason to keep on doing arena PVP, rather than just AFKing in AV to get my rank up.
alliance stopped playing in p2 because the endless camping in the open world. MC raid logging got boring and most people are fully geared. PvP ranking was is just AV spamming and made many people quit. as usual nlizzard have no clue what they are doing and add some changes that make no sense when it's way too late. BWL will bring some people back but from there it just will go downhill. even streamers rather play on upcoming private servers that release at the end of the month than dealing with classic. we can only blame ourselves for thinking blizzard might not ruin classic when the legacy movement asked for it.
the function of classic was to make pservers more accurate all along
I wouldn't even trust the reliability of Classic though, not even basic stuff like the stats or hp level of enemies.
Many of those issues would had been hard to prevent, for instance you can't really stop people from going full no life, but I will never understand why Blizzard takes 0 actions towards maintaining a healthy horde/alliance balance when it is absolutely needed in order for the game to work. They never bothered with it even in retail, until in they end they took the easy way out and made it not matter by outright removing world pvp and letting you queue into battlegrounds as the opposite faction.
It was bunch of bad decisions on Classic.
They should have released ZG, BGs and DM altogether with the first patch.
World PVP wasn't content and it was abysmal because nochangesgays who never played the game thought worldpvp would be fun after seeing a couple of pvp montages in reality it turned out what exactly real old players said a griefing clusterfrick of an experience that made the bad faction balance even worse.
It isn't because of "you think you do but you don't" people are quitting. It is because whole content release is managed horribly.
should i resub at this point? i only played classic wow for a month but i really enjoyed it. is it still well populated?
It's fine, playing rn
im not even 60 and wow classic is the only game i have played since october. no complaints so far. my classic server is more populated than my original vanilla server was, easy to find groups, ah is stocked really good and prices are low too. also people are more relaxed and helpful than back in the day.
You can bring back a game from 2004 but you can't bring back 2004.
They didn't even bring the game back. Mechanics are from the end of classic after all the buffs and things like the debuff limit being twice what it was in real classic made Rag a joke. I really wanted another shot at the 'mathematically impossible' pre-nerf Rag but he'll go undefeated for all time it seems.
If they had done actual progression of all of vanilla I'm sure "Impossible" release Rag and even Cthun would had gotten smoked.
I just wanted the shitty talent and shitty gear from early patches.
this
>screams internally
>You think you do
Yea, for 1 month. I hit level 41.
>But you don't
Get me out of this garbage
Classic peaked at level 25 in Hillsbrad, a week after launch, when just running back and forth through past the yeti cave was exciting and engaging.
There is literally no reason to play anymore.
In a few years from now, the first few things that would come to mind when I look back on my experience with classic wow would be
>bis lists
>getting farmed by groups of 10-20 people everytime I land in any of the high level zones
>playing with a massive number disadvantage in AV thanks to premades
>10-15 people staying AFK/botting every AV
>shitloads of botters in general
>getting flamed because I'm more interested in winning the game instead of mindlessly killing NPCs for honor before everybody gives up since 'it's pointless to continue since we aren't getting honor'
>unlearning mining because all the nodes are camped
>not getting a single piece of loot in 6 weeks of raiding
>rarely getting invited to groups because rogues doesn't have any aoe
>having to pay people to tank in dungeons
>mages and warriors
>devilsaur mafia
>people mass reporting a guy on my server and got him muted for days because he did enchanting work without demanding a fee
>twitch emotes in the ingame chat
>20 second freezes in major cities and BRM on raid nights
>the game isn't actually hard
>people asking for #nochanges
>people asking for #changes because the game is busted and everyone is abusing it
>the moment I realized how a lot of the changes (those that everyone blamed WoWs drop in quality/popularity on) that were made to retail wow in the years following vanilla actually made sense considering the issues they had to address
I wish I never played it because the knowledge that a game like this, played almost exclusively by people like that, actually exists is very disturbing
too many people nolifed it and ran out of content too fast. Hell, some were already raidlogging after 2 weeks
Why do people quit games “because they ran out of stuff to do”. Why play a game if you dont actually enjoy it and just collect shit?
I had fun exploring the world. Now that I have done my sightseeing everywhere I have now run out of stuff to do as you put it.
I had to quit when I saw most people in my guild were older people with wives. The types of people who should have families by now but they object to doing simple things with their spouses in favour of an mmo.
It was quite depressing to see.
>inb4 layering comment
If anything Layers helped the economy. It was DM Farming and having no content was what fricked up the economy.
>Devilsaur mafia was irrelevant so people got their Devilsaur sets
>Content is so easy you didn't even need flasks or consumes all the times
>BUT BUT PEOPLE HOARDED MATS!!!
That was bound to happen in an already solved 15 year old game.
Layering only fricked up shit like world first that doesn't concern the whole community.
Black Lotus hoppers eventually got banned.
Abundance of supply=/=ruined economy.
Abundance of gold however did ruin the economy which came with DM.
By the time the second-third wave of players hitting 60(who missed the SM raiding exp) layers were already down to 2.
Whoever is blaming "layers" is just parroting some stuff they have seen online that is borderline not true.
Because YOU THOUGHT YOU DID BUT YOU DIDNT
Because I cleared all content back during Vanilla. Sure, it was pretty amazing walking into Westfall for the first time in 15 years, doing all the quests in Duskwood and venturing into old school dungeons uncorrupted by Cataclysm and the modern philosophy of WoW.
But the nostalgia wore off after about a month or so.
>everyone hated the YTYDBYD
>I completely agreed with it
>mfw I'm finally proven right
Feels so good, bros.
>I'm finally proven right
You aren't, moron. The game itself is fine, it's the shitty community that ruined it.
In this case the community is part of the game you absolute homosexual.
YTYDBYD was only in reference to the game itself, try again moron.
Honour system ruined it for me because I didn't no life it to lvl 60 like everyone else. Made it impossible to even play when you're trying to level in the 50s and I don't want to play PVE.
Terrible playerbase meets terrible developers happened. At least it proved Classic + with current blizz would be a mistake.
I just hope it won't decline so much it will ruin chances of getting other expansions.
because the only people left playing are tryhard neets
>discord trannies
hmmm
They moved to FFXIV.
i highly doubt it since ffxiv lost 20% of their playerbase in the last month
>in vanilla used to find groups of people exploring weird areas, raids on opposite factions main cities, generally all around warming affect with most people outside the autism guilds being open to adventure. people would hang out and chitchat, you could shoot the breeze about your life or server events
>in classic, situation is flipped. no one does anything outside of raiding/AV. no one explores, no one has any kind of guild events, world bosses aren't even thought about, no one chats with anyone else unless its in their personal interest
yeah classic isn't vanilla. too many zoomers
maybe people realized that exploration and raiding other capitals isnt rewarded, which is a game design failure.
it wasnt that common back in vanilla either.
My guild was full of people who play the game like a job (and still had the normal corruption dick sucking social ladder) and made it their mission to make the alliance quit so they control every facet of the server.
BGs didnt come out fast enough
I had time off and hit 60 within the first 2 weeks and had prebis by the 5th week
I played until DM came out so I could get my warlock mount and then stopped playing
I wish people would stop playing on my server. Even being on a PvE server it's still next to impossible to farm because every decent farming spot is heavily camped. I've resorted to fishing and leveling a Mage alt so I can farm ZF because it's gotten so bad.
have you considered not playing at all, you pathetic addict?
leave your stupid comments in your pocket
I'm just raidlogging, cba making alt until ZG
It needed changes but players be like #NoChanges
The problem is it wasn't NoChanges. They fricked it to the point some private servers are closer to real classic.
Classic had all the wrong changes, but real nochanges wouldn't had been great either (albeit it would had been better than what we got).
What are you talking about, Ganker? Blizzard and WOW players say Classic has more people than ever.
The servers are ALWAYS full, there is ALWAYS a queue. Blizzard wouldn't mess with the numbers at all.
>noooo classic sucks because of changes!!! if only there were NO CHANGES everyone would still be playing it!!
You are fricking pathetic.
No one want to have the only big raid on farm on day 1 then just raidlog, yet here we are because those changes made it a pushover.
why do people say classic is dead? there is only one low population server in eu
blizzard artificially lowers server cap to fool morons into saying the game isn't dead
until they post hard numbers, never trust blizzard
we shouldnt trust blizzard but we should trust a random poster from Ganker!
blizzard has an incentive to lie, Ganker doesn't
yeah Ganker never lies at all. every single leak on Ganker is real
you seem really butthurt that people don't trust blizzard's lies
source?
source is blizzard hiding subscription numbers
what are they afraid of?
no mmo is posting subscription numbers. So now everyone is lying
>no mmo is posting subscription numbers.
name one that regularly posts subscription numbers
FFXIV
WOW has been hiding sub numbers ever since Cataclysm because that's when it started trending downwards.
ffxiv never offically released any subscription numbers. Are you moronic?
*btfos the WoWtrannies*
reminds me of when SC2 was out for a while and it said something like 1 million players were online. Never believed that count for a minute
>Why did everyone stop playing? I still play but everyone else rushed through it like an omega loser neckbeard. There's absolutely no reason to be level 60 in under 4 months. Like don't y'all fricking have lives? When everyone rushes levels it just makes the game really unfun for people who actually have lives, because the -40 zones are pretty much vacant
It was supposed to be a way for future generations and those who missed it to enjoy the game as it was before they made major changes.
Instead you got 5% of private server autists and 90% of the server that follows them ignoring half of the game because it's "suboptimal".
I didn't play because I knew Neo-Blizz would frick it up, and they did. Avoided it like the plague and I clearly dodged a bullet. I know a guy who got his server's first TF and he did so by no-lifing the frick out of it on a server that caps out at 2k people. The problem is you can never recreate the feeling of original vanilla WoW because everyone has theorycrafted every single aspect of it to mundanity. Guilds were full clearing raids on the day they were released, they shouldn't have even tried to recreate the classic feel. They should have tried to recreate the private server feel, with the polish that their funding and man power could bring. I enjoyed Nost the most when it was peaking at 15k concurrent players, it was chaotic madness, there was not one single place you could go without running into a bunch of people and it was great. Questing was tough because of it but it also meant getting a group was stupidly easy. Being a Paladin I leveled almost entirely off of dungeon healing.
It also meant getting a raid slot was a lot easier, and because everything got cleared so fast getting your T2 was just a matter of waiting. took me like 4-5 months to get mine but across all the server transfers I must have gotten a good 2.5 year's use out of it and it was fantastic. I miss it.
inb4
>those hotbars
I have an MMO mouse with a keypad, frick off.
I played it for a week hoping it would give me the same feelings I had when I was 15. It did not. Thats it. Quit after a week
Because all streamers quit when they got bored of it and all their viewers followed.
>2005 to 2010
>p servers were all about silly fun cross faction parties and world channels full of shitposting
>2010+
>every fricking p server basically tries hard to be vanilla-er than WoW was
please....
Vanilla pservers were still relatively fine. Even ED under feenix wasn't completely terrible. Nost ruined everything tho and things were never the same after.
God I love moronic meme funservers
>It's TBC dudes! EXCEPT U CAN BE LVL 100!1!!
>Memebuilds out of the wazzoo
>Shitty ass custom content
I don't have the time to play it, takes too long to do everything, and I have a life now and I'm no longer a 14-year-old. I did play it until level 35, but had to stop, too much time wasted.
The only metric WOW players can use are Twitch viewers. Blizzard hides all the data for totally innocent and benign reasons.
I did not.
Asmongold left
So we all did
No sense in farming gold, mats or anything now
> don’t want to play on PVE servers
> leveling on a PVP mega server such as Herod became a monumental task when ranks dropped
> too proud and refuse to roll on pve server
In the end, I just lost all motivation and dropped it, other than that, I enjoyed it a lot
why are wowbabs so adamant on "muh world peeveepee" when 98% of it is either people leveling in groups of 3+ people camping the quest zones to kill stragglers or bored high level camping the quest zones to kill stragglers?
One of the finally wow-related redpills is that pvp is a stupid minigame, only enjoyed by absolutely subpar players who get rapped in actual pvp games or people who haven't discovered masturbation.
Honestly the only good thing about WoW world PvP was the sheer chaos of captial cities raid as a low level
The excitement, the feeling of doing something "big" even though you'd die if you got sneezed on, the panic when the raid group moved faster than you and you were left behind with few guards left over and respawning enemy low level characters running around like headless chickens like "wtf just happened"
God I'd love if they had a PVP server that expressly didn't have an honor system. It was so much fun when people would only fight if they have to (or if they just felt like being a dick) and try to be friends the rest of the time. The lack of incentives leads to natural incentives occurring, it made PVP about honor, justice, natural supplies and territory instead of just capital Honor.
I got bored of logging MC and didn't want to level up more characters.
I don't get how some people can play through the same fricking zones and quest 10 fricking times, even with different roles it's the same shit for 90% of leveling. That and blizzard being such a shitty company I really can't justify giving them my money every month
my guild paid transfered to a dead server because they were boomers who thought they deserved pvp ranks without having to grind them
so I quit
No one got max rank in the original system without stupid shit like account sharing. I got to 12 nolifing it and hit a wall so I just went around killing the mushroom vendor instead so we'd not throttle at SS.
>Bringing back dishonourable kills, the thing that killed world PVP.
DKs severely wounded it, but BGs and incentivizing it were what killed it.
Apologize.
why should i? I knew this idiot was right all along.
>WHY DID EVERYONE STOP PLAYING, WHAT HAPPENED? OMG DEAD GAME
t. some homosexual who was never really into this game in the first place
stop with the shill threads, dumb Black person