Why did gamers suddenly hate cathode ray tubes? it doesn't make.
The reason CRT is better is because CRTs have 60 fields per second when displaying 30 frames per second. The light gun in a CRT draws one line at a time, horizontally, but it alternates between odd and even lines. Meaning it will go through the length of the screen and draw all odd lines, then go back up and do all even lines. This is where the original interlacing term comes from.
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I don't care about any of that
Not paying more for a smaller screen that's heavy as frick and makes an annoying buzzing noise. I had one as a child and have 0 desire to go back to it
Pro tip: if you hate the buzzing sound that means you need to replace the silicon grease underneath the anode cap, I swear you guys are the type of people to never replace the batteries in a fire alarm
b***h there's a difference between replacing a battery and opening a goddamn TV. Also fire alarms come with lithium batteries that last 10+ years now gramps.
>opening a goddamn TV
why zoomers are so incapable?
It's not about capable. It's about it being a waste of time.
sure thing
I soldered Kailh GM 2.0 switches on my G600 yesterday. What have projects have you done recently?
sure buddy lmao
This is one of those zoomers posting as boomers isn't it? That's what a majority of CRTgays are I've found.
cope zoomer scum and then kys you're sepf
diy crt repair was never a thing
I'm barely old enough to rent a car under Canadian law how the frick can't you open a tv, you have the internet if you wanna know what to do before and after you open it
time to stop posting, anon
Way ahead of you man. I come here once in a while when that scratch itches to confirm that it's not worth posting here. Now stop replying to me so I stop getting notifications.
>notifications.
figures
Do zoomers not use GankerX?
Zoomers exclusively use Gankerx because everything needs a script.
I've been here for 12 years, literally the only things I do is turn on image hover and infinite scroll.
Unironically:
Let me guess, you need more?
>Let me guess, you need more?
Yes, I need to filter out whatever buzzword shitposters have attached themselves to like media literacy.
I guess you weren't here before those got implemented natively in the site. I've been using Ganker X for almost a decade at this point maybe longer.
Because the masses wanted thinner and lighter displays
companies like that lcd is cheaper and easier to produce
They are fricking heavy, suck power and require adjustment if you want to switch res. Still looks fantastic though and 4:3 is god's aspect ratio.
>t. 2 CRTs on my desk
morons hate CRT because they hate progress
the only CRT i need is cathode ray tube theory
posted from my iphone on tapatalk
>hate progress
Progress has brought nothing but fake shit into this world and the internet.
>do people have agency in their lives to change their biological predispositions?
>of course!
>okay, so can Black folk just try and stop committing so much crime?
>don't you know that sociopolitical factors are forcing them into that lifestyle?!
>
Underrated
I play exclusively retro games and crt gays are so fricking annoying
Either you do it their way, or they throw a shitfit
saved
Have you ever actually watched TV on a old crt? They weigh a tone and who gives a shit about it being 60 frames a second when the actual picture quality was TERRIBLE.
They beat the frick out of contemporary rear projection tvs i can tell you that. Wastes of plastic and rightfully forgotten
You guys probably had a shitty CRT from Zenith or Brooksonic.
Watching Outlaw Star on Toonami, then following it up by playing Mega Man Legends 2 on a 98 Trinitron is a vibe that can never be replicated.
>MUH SCANLIIIIIIIINES
>um stupid frick of course you can't see them unless you sit 1tf away from the screen or buy a trinitroon poorhomosexual
Every crt thread
I only keep mine around for when I feel like replaying picrel
>The reason CRT is better is because CRTs have 60 fields per second when displaying 30 frames per second. The light gun in a CRT draws one line at a time, horizontally, but it alternates between odd and even lines. Meaning it will go through the length of the screen and draw all odd lines, then go back up and do all even lines. This is where the original interlacing term comes from.
What the frick are you talking about kek. Interlaced resolutions are ass and not desirable and as long and most old consoles didn't use interlaced resolutions anyway.
>most old consoles didn't use interlaced resolutions anyway
>consoles that used composite cables didn't have interlaced resolutions
>most PS2 devs struggled (or never even bothered) to get 480p to work, so most games are stuck at 480i... which basically a CRT or expensive upscaler to look acceptable since the PS2's interlaced signal is legendarily awful even by interlaced standards and gets utterly mangled by LCD displays
>most Gamecube games had 480p support... but locked behind special cables that only worked on the first revision of consoles and could only be had from Japanese catalogues or extremely niche speciality websites since Nintendo never fricking advertised them
>Xbox had the component cable kit but it too was very obscure and poorly advertised
That's an entire generation right there where the grand majority of players would be playing with interlaced video. And one of these consoles is the best selling platform of all time, too.
This is super important information because a lot of people mistakenly stretch out the truth of the capability of these consoles. Yes in theory they could, but never the norm and even further was an extreme rarity.
But this was common even in the next generation. PS3 was capable of 1080p, but it was only a small set of games usually that were nowhere as graphical complex as bigger titles. Then something like the 360 couldn't even do 720p for most of its games and had to rely on upscaling from 640p.
Dark Souls couldn't even manage true full widescreen at 720p on gen 7 consoles, From had to render gameplay at a skinnier internal resolution and THEN stretch it out to 16:9 (though Demon's Souls did run at full proper 720p IIRC). Amusingly, the Switch version absolutely trashes the 360/PS3 versions of PTDE graphically, since it runs at 1080p30 with far fewer framedips (and with a simple mod it can run at 720p60, albeit with dips like the Pro/X 60fps patches for DS3 and Sekiro). Too bad about that sound quality.
It's funny when CRT debates turn to "the intended experience". Xbox visuals were clearly made around progressive scan even if a minority of people experienced it at the time.
bought one a few years back so I could play time crisis games with my guncom 2,
the sound and picture quality is really good so I play all my PS2 games on it, been playing ff7 for the first time and it feels nice to play it the way many others did when it released.
I love my CRT. The lack of input delay is really nice.
I hate CRTs because of the cult that has formed around them. You people are somehow even more annoying than consolegays or i5 2500k pajeets
The small advantages of CRTs in specific conditions (against considerable drawbacks that 99% of the population considered overwhelming) cannot possibly warrant this kind of dicksucking. It's purely to tell themselves they are enlightened.
CRT "preaching" is fine for 240p/480i 4:3 content.
But beyond that its moronic,
480p is good too for shit meant to run at 480p (earlier PCs, Dreamcast, Gamecube, what little 480p content PS2 has, etc), but HD/semi-HD CRTs were 100% a stopgap just to get more mileage out of CRT technology while waiting for newer fixed-pixel technologies to mature economically.
I hate that you're starting to see the same type of behavior starting to form around Plasma too. Even though it was the superior tech at the time there's zero reason to run one now.
>"I'm a spiteful beta male"
correct.
>Beta male
It usually is either soifaces and trannies who are obsessed with these monitors. I would say CRTs are for betas
I literally just want to play original hardware on screens they were intended for, nothing more nothing less
It doesn't matter if you play them with the "intended" screens or not.
to (you)
The PS2 is really the only console one that makes full use of the technology, everything else you might as well play with CRT filters.
Reading text
Even in terms of gaming, PC genres generally had a lot of text
yep
loved my CRT right up until banjo-kazooie N+B released and the text was almost illegible on it
and then they patched in bigger text like a week after i got a new TV
FRICK
These only costed 20 bucks at the hype of release of dogshit lcds with burn in at a thrift store. They are much more costlyto get a good one now.
Secondly nobody fricking used a vga monitor in place of a fricking tv outside of a select few.
Speaking of lightguns, sucks that a entire genre pretty much died out because of the display technology
vr is just light guns 2.0. no one cares
VR "light gun" games have dog shit game design.
Made by Z grade developers
>no one cares
>Look someone styled a Lada Niva as a Ferrari Testarossa
It's the same thing guys, frick off homosexual.
The wii had a bunch of light-gun style shooters and you can use that on any display
love my crt
Lookin good bro. Shame that making so many newer games fit that aspect ratio is like pulling teeth
most games i play now still support it natively and if it doesnt i use an ultrawide mod or flawless widescreen if it has it
i still play some games letterboxed and it doesnt bother me that much
based gw2 player, feels sad there will never be a third
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
yeah no thanks
I care about all of that
I will pay more for a smaller screen that is heavy and makes cool noises. I never had one as a child but I want one now
>I never had one as a child
we can tell, zoomer
>Makes cool noises
This motherfricker has never actually been in a room with a non HD modern TV. That makes me feel old as frick, also they didn't make cool noises nor were they any louder than a modern TV.
i have zero desire to go back to using a giant heavy piece of shit box that doesn't fit on my desk, thanks
What? It isn't that they hated it. Not from what I remember. Its just that the technology moved ahead and now we are all on these HD televisions. The old games were made with the CRT in mind so that is why retro gamers will likely want to get one unless they buy an FPGA console.
most people in the west just weren't loser game boys nor deathly-traditional when it comes to technology. i remember the switch from analog to digital and flat screen TVs made an appearance and almost everyone wanted one to watch TV and movies on
>Why did gamers suddenly hate cathode ray tubes? it doesn't make.
The average shmuck was a clueless idiot who hooked up their gear with RF&Composite.
I knew people with high end television sets that didn't know what the frick half of the inputs on the television set was.
Despite manuals of said products telling them to hook up device with S-Video/S-VHS/S-RGB etc for superior fidelity.
The average shmuck was a clueless, HDMI in this sense is for the most part idiot proof.
i was like that back then until i got an HDMI cable
>Why did gamers suddenly didn't want XRAYS blasted at their eyes from barely a meter away.
I fricking wonder.
Cuz it looks like shit
I played on a crt until like 2017 because my mom refused to get a better tv until I bought one for her.
Picture quality sucked and it was way too prone to glare.
They were dim pieces of shit with bad color reproduction and a constant whine.
zoomers hate CRTs because they've never used one don't know how great they are.
Dislike SONY tubes, never in my life did I see one used in any arcade here.
dumb question, is that a service menu? I have a big trinitron of similar age and want to tweak it.
>Zoomers
Everyone. It's why people were in a rush to buy an HDTV or a LCD monitor in the mid-late 2000's.
How easy is it to hook a mister up to a CRT? Can you get one that has component output right out of the box, or do you need to go through some kind of adapter frickery?
Literally just works. Even for consumer CRTs to play arcade games of varying refresh rates at native refresh rate, it just works as intended and mister does all the work. Just get the analog mister and use a vga to component or whatever. you might have to adjust some of the ini settings like sync on green or whatever, but aside from that, it's really straightforward.
What about S-Video? The component video on my CRT TV is wonky and everything is overdriven for some reason.
should work fine, just get a VGA to S-video cable. Basically whatever your connection is should work fine as long as you have the right cable.
i used it and don't wish to use it anymore. And i reckon most people who used one would agree
Anon most of the people on Ganker are 30+
We all used CRTs
You never bought one with your own money and had to carry it between house moves.
Look at your 20" pathetic display there.
This is your flex?
>You never bought one with your own money and had to carry it between house moves.
I used to have 32 inch 4:3 crt tv, I moved within a city block so it wasn't carrying that piece of shit from apartment to van at door, but about 100 meters or so. It wasn't the weight, but how the edges at the bottom murder your fingers and palms.
>but how the edges at the bottom murder your fingers and palms.
MOOOOOOOTHER FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKER YOU'RE RIGHT
I remember I got a frickin' TV with built in handles on the side and it still had edges that dig into your knuckles
Zoomers were born starting in 1195 and most people don't upgrade for no reason, especially if lower income.
The vast majority of zoomers likely knew CRTs until at least 15 if not older.
They were worse for your eyes than LCDs and LEDs.
t. Had an expensive Trinitron for over a decade until it stopped working.
Still have three CRT TVs around the house because they refuse to break.
Only problem is needing an HDMI to SCART converter.
Who the frick pays for CRTs, unless it's a top of the line SONY that back in the day was worth 1000€. Just ask around, everybody has some to give away from the grand-mother who died a few years ago.
>Bot thread that meant to post on /vr/ fricks up.
>Or a manual shartytroon spam thread
No one charges insane prices for normal CRT's and I still see them on the street everywhere. At least once a week and these are basic 20"+ models.
People hate how goofs who bought a bunch of pro CRT's in bulk and are selling them for literally over 9000% mark up. When in reality they suck because its a tiny as frick screen. Only giant as frick PC monitors that weight like 100lb or massive studio monitors for TV movie work that were rare as frick and cost thousands of dollars when new.
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Don't hate 'em but all the CRTs still running now are too old and busted.
Just buy an upscaler you can use with a good TV.
CRTs gave me tinnitus.
Frick you dad and your nonstop tv watching habit.
I don't hate CRTs, hell I still have mine lying around, I just think playing retro games with HDR+BFI+shaders on my big OLED is a vastly superior experience. To each their own.
I miss them
> CRTs have 60 fields per second when displaying 30 frames per second
Not always, and not usually with video game consoles. TV signals yes, but, Nintendo hacked the NTSC standard to paint only half of the lines, aka 240p, which is why you see those prominent black "scanlines" in between the image. They called it double strike and it truly is 60 FPS. Later consoles like the PS2 / Gamecube did draw the alternating lines, retroactively known as 480i.
> it will go through the length of the screen and draw all odd lines, then go back up and do all even lines
not quite. it always returns to the top left and starts drawing from there, never in reverse, whether it is drawing all of the lines or not.
Yes, it's called the bottom because only people like you want to keep these things, everyone else tossed them away over the past 15-20 years. I stopped using a CRT monitor by 2001 when the family got a Mitsubishi DiamondPoint LCD.
Jesus, did people really pay premium for worse specs just because it took up less space?
Yes and if you're a zoomer, you have no idea how fricking bad these early screens were.
When flat screens started doing 120hz I stopped caring about CRTs
I've never seen overpriced CRTs in real life. There are still people giving these things away for free.
Isn't that a similar price when accounting for inflation?
I used to play my Xbox360/PS3 games on a CRT. I played MGSV on it without ever knowing how much ammo I had on my guns because I literally couldn't read the numbers.
When I got a PC with an HD monitor I got blown the frick away just by being able to READ shit. It was mind blowing for me.
That happened in 2017.
If there is any hope or future for the CRT retro gaming scene, it won't be in CRTs. It will be in a new phosphor display technology that achieves similar results. All CRTs will eventually die because there are specific parts to them which are no longer manufactured (and cannot be manufactured again without reviving the entire supply chain) and cannot be replaced without cannibalizing another existing CRT. I say all of this as someone who owns a CRT TV and desktop monitor.
I think they still get sold in Brazil since the Genesis has been selling there since its release.
I heard CRT prices went up recently
Originally because they weigh a ton.
But now because they're a hipster fad, like record players.
Weren't they really heavy?
Cringe moron Television
>parents got rid of our good CRTs before I knew their worth
>all I have left are a couple 12" sets with mono audio
Guess I just gotta start trawling craigslist and facebook marketplace
they didn't hate the CRT
the fact of the matter is that LCD's just looked... way fricking better
you can talk about muh response times, refresh rates, true blacks etc
the color, brightness and sharpness of an LCD panel was fricking insane by contrast, there was no going back
the recent boom is 90% content creators manipulating zoomers
>the color, brightness and sharpness of an LCD panel was fricking insane by contrast,
the exact opposite of this is true. LCDs looked terrible, the color was terrible, the screens faded if you weren't exactly in front of it
I got this exact crt from facebook marketplace when I finally got in on the retro crt fad. while it was kind of cool the trailing(phosphor decay?) on it was so severe that it wasn't something I could seriously use long term. crt monitors have aged much worse than the tvs apparently. also trying to use it for browsing gave me a throbbing headache in like 20 minutes.
>as things become more rare they increase in price
no fricking shit
The main benefits of CRT are perfect blacks, superb motion clarity and very low response times.
Downsides are geometry issues, fishbowl reflections, moire patterns, too low dot pitch etc. on cheaper monitors and the tube wearing out over time on all monitors. I had to throw away a Samsung 959NF because it simply got too dim to use.
CRTs are literally a lost technology, replaced by cheaper and inferior alternatives because of average consumers vanity. Form factor played more important role than image quality.
>average consumers vanity
you mean being able to read text?
Its not a problem at all
UNLESS YOU ARE PLAYING FRICKING HD GAMES on an SD CRT
FRICK
Do you think games didnt have ANY text at all in the 80s-90s-mid 2000s?
if you give an office worker an lcd and a crt monitor and ask them which they'd like to read text from for 8 hours a day they would pick the lcd unanimously.
>perfect blacks
false
>superb motion clarity
false
>very low response times
true, because it doesn't have any complex functions
>perfect blacks
>False
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Pick a black car in a Racing Game in not Sunny weather go ahead you FRICK
Stupid idiot thats why we always picked bright colors, the blacks are BLACK as FACK
>superb motion clarity
t.has never experienced the SLIDESHOW experience in low fps games like Driver in the PS1
Dude frick dude the motion clarity is the GREATEST thing about CRTs,is fricking Magic,like real Life THERE IS NO BLUR like LCDs
>very low response times
Obviously
Frick
you're mentally ill
but that's expected from a CRtroony
You are fricking moron I wasted my time with your moronic ass frick
go jerk off to your obsolete tech lol
>have an old CRT in my garage
>plug it in and hit the power button
>screams like a banshee for five minutes before finally turning on
I own and have made my own CRT's.
I'll be dropping a guide in a couple days since everyone has been going crazy for them.
It's honestly really easy to do.
I'm willing to bet the end result will look like shite or it would take insane autistic knowledge to pull it off. Godspeed, CRTgay
You just can't claim this and not post an image
You'd have better replies posting it to Ganker
my 360hz zowie still has tons of ghosting w/ black inserted frames when compared to my old CRT and still has more input lag. until this changes, which it hasn't, crt is better for anything reaction based
see you next week
>did
They didn't. For decades, it was the display everyone used. If they wanted larger screen, we went to a movie theater for 2 hours.
If you find them "heavy," you're a woman or a child.
interlaced is an archaic format that we don't use anymore for a reason. somehow dragon's dogma 2 has and it's absolute dogshit, go ahead and try
t. film school n-word
>n-word
>Why did gamers suddenly hate cathode ray tubes? it doesn't make.
Not gamers but office workers. I can only imagine the flicker people had to endure 8h a day when doing spreadsheets before PC CRT monitors were <85hz so the flicker wouldn't be so noticeable on bright colors.
>use crt tv and monitor all my childhood
>better screens appear in stores as time goes by
>get one and finally enjoy some crisp quality
>see hipsters online cumming themselves over how much better their crt is and how special they are for using one
>laugh at them
>they think i'm a zoomer that never had a crt
wait till you morons find out about cassette players
So much more engineering TLC went into one over the other why must you compare apples to oranges?
Thinner,cheaper and HD.
Terrible for pre PS3 games I agree.
People always go for Form over Function because they're morons.
In this case:
Form - they chose LCD because they're light and physically thin
Function - CRT's have image quality 50 times better than anything we have, even today.
>CRT's have image quality 50 times better than anything we have, even today
inb4 you post some pixel game from 3 decades ago that no one cares about to prove your point
form is function in the case of video though. good luck making a widescreen crt industry standard.
Take a picture of your CRT displaying an image anywhere near that quality.
They were bulky and limited in display size. Even at the time everyone knew the image quality on LCD sucked but the aesthetic aspect won. And that's not even mentioning HD, most people were unaware that HD CRTs even existed meanwhile it was standard on those new fancy flat TVs. Also everyone forgets plasma was a thing, they avoided alot of the problems LCD had, PS3 still looks amazing on a good plasma TV.
woah
power of the crt
So, being smart enough to know that's lulzy, did they remaster the game at some point, or was that just dood doctoring the shot?
I had a 27 inch crt in college and it felt like it weighed 500 pounds. Moving it was a huge pain. I replaced it with a shitty flat screen and had zero regrets.
Like most things on the internet, it gets a cultish following that suddenly becomes very loud and obnoxious and eventually you become sick of hearing about it and wish those guys would frick off. It's like souls games. Even though honestly I don't dislike the games, the fanbase fricks me off so much that I'm done with them now. The internet does this for everything eventually, everything turns into a circlejerk
The picture quality wasn't great. Also, CRTs are big and fricking heavy. I can lift and set up an LED on my own, but lifting a giant-ass CRT is a pain in the ass.
That said, CRTs did have a certain charm to them. As a kid, I remember playing NES games at my grandparents' house on an old piece of shit like pic related
>As a kid, I remember playing NES games at my grandparents' house on an old piece of shit like pic related
Still don't get why heavy ass CRTs got bigger, heavier wood frames at the time.
It becomes a piece of furniture. You could even get frames to match the wood you use in your living room set.
CRT gays have to be incredibly autistic
you speak from experience?
Yes, because only autists can get this upset and annoying over people not willingly using an outdated technology
>yes
all I needed to know
They're fricking heavy.
That shit did not cost $20 in 1999 are you serious
It means that is what it would cost if it wasn't a retro meme screen.
>Watch tv
>Get ARS
I really wonder why
I dont care about CRTs. I have solved this issue with old videogames just by downloading retoarch for free and use its crt shaders. I actually have one that its working, but I dont use it because its a hassle.
>Why did gamers suddenly hate cathode ray tubes?
cuz their s.0y arms can no longer light them
>The reason CRT is better is because CRTs have 60 fields per second when displaying 30 frames per second. The light gun in a CRT draws one line at a time, horizontally, but it alternates between odd and even lines. Meaning it will go through the length of the screen and draw all odd lines, then go back up and do all even lines.
what in the absolute mother of frick are you waffling about you insane gorilla Black person? this was, in no way shape or form, some sort of standard that defined CRT TV's. genuinely what the frick are you smoking you half-baked wikipedia-crawling turboBlack person? you're just saying words and hoping they're right without actually knowing shit
>This is where the original interlacing term comes from.
ahhh, as opposed to The New Interlacing Term, which has definitely EVER been used by ANYONE to mean ANYTHING but what you just described. there are definitely People Who Exist that use interlacing to refer to ANYTHING but titularly interlacing the fricking scanlines you DENTBRAINED, KNOW-NOTHING Black person
All I want are modern 4:3 displays.
they put out heat
they weighed a ton
they were huge like xbox
People don't like CRT's because of the electrical interfettence
>interfettence
good morning sir
>he doesn't know
skin him and leave him to be picked at by crows
I never liked them because of the flicker (though 100Hz progressive scan CRTs did come out later in PAL land, dunno about NTSC) as well as the electrical noise, they're just exhausting to look at compared to a flatscreen.