Why did Tali and Garrus resonate with fans so much more than the other crew members?
Why did Tali and Garrus resonate with fans so much more than the other crew members?
Why did Tali and Garrus resonate with fans so much more than the other crew members?
Garrus is the ultimate bro and Tali looks like she could comfortably give birth to a minibus.
Huarians are a blight.
>Garrus is the ultimate bro and Tali looks like she could comfortably give birth to a minibus.
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Garrus was a top tier bro I always had him in my squad.
Because they look alien, that's it. They could've exchanged Garrus and Kaidan's personalities and people would still like the turian better
I genuinely don't think that even a design as cool as Garrus could carry Kaidan's dry as frick personality.
His vocal performance might, though.
Garrus is legitimately boring in ME1. He's so superior in 2 that people retcon him into being cool in 1.
It made sense. In the first game, he was the cop that wanted to get things done but he didn’t have the courage to break the rules to do it. After being with Shepard and watching him save the entire galaxy despite every rule being in his way, he gets inspired to follow in his footsteps after he dies and ends up shooting crims in the afterlife or whatever that station was called.
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>Why did the skinsuit nerdy girl and best-friend character resonate so much with players?
>Why did the skinsuit nerdy girl and best-friend character resonate so much with players?
This. Any other type of answer are delusional neckbeards trying to make it more deep than what it is.
I always found Garrus boring as frick. Afaik it's a favorite of women more than men.
Tali is just a cute girl and gf material.
They have the most character development aside from Liara, but Liara is pushed by the writers so contrarians steer away from her.
Liara had kind of a messy character arc in part because Shadow Broker and 3 had to dial back some changes in 2 due to fan backlash.
Tali had a similar arc of going from naive and inexperienced to a confident woman, but her journey feels a lot more consistent and organic.
>3 had to dial back some changes in 2 due to fan backlash.
Was there ever really any backlash though? I don't really remember many people complaining about Liara's change, outside of a couple of really dedicated 1 autists.
Liara might as well be a completely different character in mass effect 2. It's really jarring
seemed pretty straightforward to me. she was an awkward and naive scientist who had to grow up quickly when she joined the normandy. then shepards death and the 2 years passing hardened her further
Liara's writing is outright bad though.
It’s more that Liara never gets a counterbalance to her coldsteel tier introduction in 2.
If Garrus had been reintroduced as space batman without getting his face fricked up, or having the Sidonis mission show his flaws, he’d probably be looked on as trying too hard retroactively
>elevator
>hang on, what the ...
>zoom camera near tali
OH LAWD DEM HIPS
Shepard!
Wrex!
>Garrus
>Wrex
>Tali
I left his body in the swamps.
I gave him a proper burial because he was an asset to the team and I respected him even if I had to kill him. It wasn't personal.
Why is throw so worthless in ME2?
because they nerfed the shit out of biotics in ME2 after seeing how powerful they were in ME1.
Playing through 2 makes me miss 3's power combos.
It instakills husks if youre playing on lower difficulties. On insanity most squadmate powers suck besides warp and overload
Throw instakills husks on all difficulties once the armour is gone. Likewise for pull if I recall.
Yes and shockwave too but you have to kill their armor first on higher difficulties which makes it a pain. It has some use on the collector missions with lots of husks but for the most part its not very good
Because they're the most loyal of Shepard's crew and never abandoned him for stupid reasons like the rest. Even when they themselves had the burden leadership they always made time for Shepard, because they were his close friends.
I could excuse Wrex. Bro was out there trying to unify the galaxy's Africa.
But the others were pretty sorry excuses.
Yeah, at least Wrex gives you a decent excuse, and Mordin and Thane are too dead to join you. But Kasumi and Zaeed pretty much tell Shep to frick off, Samara apparently has more important things to do, Grunt is in the hospital, which I guess makes sense until the Citadel DLC revealed that he got discharged, Jacob is just being gay etc. Garrus and Tali are literally the only loyal friends Shep ever had and most likely ever will have.
What was Miranda’s excuse again
Too busy being a moronic spy and getting hunted by her dad or something.
Still more upset about Zaeed not being down to hang out with Shepard again, but then James McBeefcake wouldn't have a role to fill I guess.
Ass too fat, couldn't get through the Normandy door.
Yvonne Strahovski got too expensive.
Keith David, Martin Sheen, Lance Henricksen and Freddie Prince were enough celebrities for Bioware.
Aria was supposed to take Miranda's place in the Normandy iirc, fricking edgy dyke. ME3 was a mess from conception to release.
Funny but Thane and Kasumi were supposed to have a mission together trying to cure Kepral's syndrome and bringing the Hanar into the war effort.
All of that cut because the most important game of the gen was only given 2 years to be made.
I WILL ALWAYS BE MAD.
thread should have ended here
>weren't author's pets like Liara.
>remained loyal throughout the trilogy
>remained party members throughout the trilogy
>remained consistent in their character writing and were pretty well-written relatively speaking. Emphasis on "relatively."
>both suffered from daddy issues, but again, who fricking didn't in the ME crew
>didn't cheat on Shep if they were pursued romantically
>didn't scoff at Shepard siding with Cerberus (even if it was moronic of him/her)
>weren't boring human party members
>had interesting dynamics in their romance arcs
>didn't scoff at Shepard siding with Cerberus (even if it was moronic of him/her)
That’s a big one.
It’s bad enough being railroaded into being moronic without the writer scolding you for it. Tela Vasir was particularly obnoxious for this, to the point I thought it might be a piss take
Cerberus is more righteous than the Alliance let alone the Council.
Well if you ignore all the dr Klaw tier moron experiments that the omniscient TiM seems to ignore, not notice or not give a shit about
pre ME3, then they're just cartoon villains
>Cerberus in ME1
Alliance offshoot that performs incredibly unethical experiments for shits and giggles
>Cerberus in ME2
Dindus that are so incompetent that they keep accidentally doing horrible experiments that blow up in their face anyway.
>Cerberus in ME3
Cartoon villains
>remained consistent in their character writing and were pretty well-written relatively speaking. Emphasis on "relatively."
I would argue that they are the best written characters in the entire series and not only remained consistent, but had best arcs out of all the companions.
>>didn't cheat on Shep if they were pursued romantically
well, they do start bang with each other in me3 when you dont romance neither of them, Which is kind off sweat. Like who else should bang my waifu than my husbando/bro
>There are people that betrayed Tali and genocided her race of wide hipped women.
>genocide quarians
>destroy ending
frick space gypsies&frick robo flashlights
Always kill a traitor before an enemy Jim Jam. That c**t shouldn't have stolen those engine designs for Isra- I mean the Quarians.
On the Normandy SR1 that's a sound argument, but the mention of this Quarian diplomatic vessel doesn't come up until ME3, which leads me to believe she copied the Normandy SR2 stealth systems.
SR2 is a Cerberus vessel, not an Alliance experimental frigate, it was a clear case of Cerberus having "acquired" those plans themselves, through whatever means. At that point, the Normandy's stealth systems are no longer a military secret, and therefore fair game, especially if it means stealing from known terrorist xenophobes.
A lot of people are stupid and a lot of people are even more stupid
The quarians are really stupid and Tali is one of the most likely to die in the suicide mission because people bring Garrus+Grunt to the final battle which will kill her or Mordin. without Tali I think most people would choose the Geth because of how much the story wants you to sympathize with them and dislike the quarians but I'd choose the quarians personally
Fans drawing Shep and liara's creepy blue babies is basically a meme at this point if they're not dedicated I don't know who is
>Fans drawing Shep and liara's creepy blue babies is basically a meme at this point if they're not dedicated I don't know who is
That's a tiny subset of a tiny subset of fans. The people who draw that are Femshep players and almost nobody plays femshep.
>without Tali I think most people would choose the Geth because of how much the story wants you to sympathize with them
Yes and most people who can't choose both do choose the geth because most people are easily manipulated by a writer. The actual lore of the games contradicts all the whinging and cheap emotional manipulation that tries to pain the geth as innocent, harmless victims. However the narrative doesn't ever bring this to the forefront and so your average person is helpless to see beyond what the writer wants them to see.
People are stupid.
Even in ME1 the lore was the geth were being slaughtered for asking if they have a soul, you can have Shep say wtf that is messed up, so it's pretty obvious the narrative wanted to eventually lead to geth being sympathetic and artificial life having meaning is a pretty huge theme in the series after ME1. You can tell legion does do some manipulating to make Shep sympathize with them though because he wants to save his people
In ME1 the Quarian's panicking and making a mistake was offset by the fact the Geth were absolutely guilty of mass murder, and continued to be unreasonably hostile/unresponsive to diplomacy.
In 3 the geth's slaughter was almost completely swept under the rug and what wasn't got blamed on Quarians effectively asking for it. The fact they went on to gun down anyone who looked at them funny for centuries is completely ignored.
The morning war was so bloody because the quarians held on for so long when they stopped attacking and retreated the geth let them go, they're wary of organics because they know where they stand they have kept a close eye on the happenings outside the veil. I think the geth are reasonably sympathetic most organic species would do the same but I'd never save them over the quarians because they're still robots who attacked me for 3 games and even if Tali is dead I'd retake Rannoch for the quarians for her
That's valid in 1, where it was understandable that the alien Geth wouldn't grasp the concept of non combatant, especially given how indiscriminately they killed anyone who entered the veil.
In 3 the dindus that we see absolutely were. It's never reconciled how the innocent little snowflakes promptly exterminated everything on the planet even when they weren't fighting back.
Well just not to mention the fact that if the geth were in the position to slaughter 99.9% of the quarian species like that it strongly implies the quarians were unable to fight back and thus were not a threat.You don't commit genocide on that scale in that fashion in "self defense". Once the geth are hunting down and killing quarian civilians, young and old, by the millions, the quarians have ceased to have any real capacity to fight back.
Now the truth is, the whole thing might be a horrible accident. Given that the sentient geth are essentially accidental, rogue AI's, I wouldn't have expected ethical behavior from them, especially at that time. However that's why the quarians were justified in fearing them and trying to destroy them before they became a threat.
The villains in the story are the careless researchers, designers, and leaders who let the geth be created in such a reckless manner in the first place, but they are long dead.
Ex: this idiot.
No, the geth did not murder billions in self defense.
>You are (aware) that the Quarians who wanted to kill the Geth started killing their own people who disagreed with them.
So what are you trying to say here? Are you saying that the quarian government gunning down a few quarians who foolishly defended their unstable, unpredictable, and dangerous machines, then justifies the geth murdering quarians by the billions? Is that what those geth sympathizing quarians wanted? There is no train of logic here. You are fricking stupid.
No, you are. Good day.
>"bro why would Liara the Prothean archeologist care about the death of the only guy who understands Prothean language?"
>"as well as memories of their time period warning of the the doomsday which destroyed their civilization, that is also returning to frick up her own"
>"it makes no sense to me, Liara absolutely wouldn't care about this guy that saved her life, put her brainwashed mother out of her misery, stopped a Reaper and may be her lover because Asari are good at moving on"
You have 2 IQ
Liara doesn't become this stupid until ME3 where she has a bunch of romantic delusions about Protheans for no reason.
>>"bro why would Liara the Prothean archeologist care about the death of the only guy who understands Prothean language?"
Except this is never given as a reason why she cares. Nor does anyone bring it up. Shepard's understanding of the Protheans has next to nothing to do with Shepard's character after ME1. So what the frick are you talking about? You are inventing headcanon. Aren't you fricking capable of distinguishing what you imagine with what is actually written into the game? Do you have fricking brain problems? WTF is wrong with you?
>>"as well as memories of their time period warning of the the doomsday which destroyed their civilization, that is also returning to frick up her own"
Again, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH SHEPARD. NOTHING. Once ME1 ends the cipher and the visions are all unimportant.
>>"it makes no sense to me, Liara absolutely wouldn't care about this guy that saved her life
She'd care but she wouldn't obsess over it for the reasons I outlined. I gave you actual examples FROM THE STORY that explain what kind of person she is and justify how I say she SHOULD act. You have... a whole lot of NOTHING.
Good day, sir, nice try, 5/10. Your post is hidden now.
>Shepard understanding the Prothean language and Liara caring about Prothean info is made up fanfiction
Yeah you're fricking moronic, Shep having the Prothean cypher is a very basic part of Mass Effects story and still relevant in 2/3.
Your head canon interpretation of Liara is that she is a moron who isn't interested in learning about the Protheans? You are justifying her character change in 2 and getting upset at the only thing that is entirely in-character (Sheps crew cares about him).
You are fricking moronic. The game tells you the Quarians started the fight. You literally are shown that the Geth were not the ones who started the killing first. They tell you the Quarians themselves are divided on how to handle the Geth and some even side with them. That's why the Geth kept their shithole planet in good condition to respect those who did side and die with them. It isn't woah is me the Quarians didn't do anything wrong. Every single thing the Quarians do is stupid throughout all three games.
Sure Legion is trying to save his people and doing his best to paint the Geth in a good light. Are you forgetting that the rest of the galaxy doesn't like Quarians either for being space gypsies who ruin just about everything they come in contact with? They are also the morons who decided the end of the universe was a good time to try to reclaim their planet. Then they frick that up and need to beg you for help. Natural selection those idiots and let them kill themselves.
Then you pick the destroy ending because anything built by the Quarians is not to be trusted and needs to die.
>You are fricking moronic.
No, you are. I explained why. The situation is not so straight forward. You are a morally vacant dipshit larping as some kind of moral vanguard.
How is it not cut and dry on this? Quarians are wrong. The whole galaxy fricking hates them because they can see through their lies. They hate the Geth too, but notice how almost no one is sympathetic to Quarians when even the Krogans get sympathy. How are the aggressors who start all the problems, all the fights not wrong? All you seem to say that since the Geth almost killed them all in retaliation that they are wrong? The Geth couldn't learn to kill or fight back if the Quarians didn't start the fight. That is how they learn.
The Quarians are fricked over by their own actions and continue to make every single wrong decision.
Here, how about you name one benefit the Quarians have made to galactic society.
>how about you name one benefit the Quarians have made to galactic society
Gave birth to Tali
The exposition girl of the first game
>How is it not cut and dry on this?
Since you asked I will try to make it easier for you to understand. The best way to do this is to walk through the likely series of events that comprised the "Morning War".
>geth starts asking philosophical questions
>quarians start reporting this to the authorities
>authorities determine that the geth are becoming sentient
>they understand this was never intended which means sentient geth are unpredictable and likely dangerous
>this is why making AI is heavily restricted by the Council
>government orders the retirement of all geth to protect the quarian population
>their aim is to neutralize the geth before they all become sentient
>turns out geth are already sentient
>some quarians resist the order to give up their geth and are killed in altercations with police/military
>geth now riot
>geth begin killing people indiscriminately
>war ensues between the geth and authorities
>geth win
>geth slaughter billions of unarmed quarian civilians
>some quarians flee from the geth in ships
>geth let them go out of self preservation since the Council is alerted by this time
>Council sends peace envoys to make contact with the geth
>geth kill them
>Council quarantines geth space
>every now and then some curious quarian or other person attempts to contact the geth
>said persons get killed by the geth
>Sovereign contacts the geth
>Heretics join Sovereign
>Heretics and Sovereign attack organics and the Citadel
>Non-Heretic geth create Legion and send it to find Shepard
>It finds Shepard
>It tells Shepard that organics irrationally fear the geth
So, in that outline, do you see how the fact that some quarians defended geth only to get killed by the quarian military doesn't somehow justify the geth murdering billions of people? Can you wrap your around the logistical reality that if the geth even CAN murder billions of people then by default those people are not a threat? If they were a threat they could fight back successfully.
They didn't stay on Rannoch out of self-preservation though, they did it because in their minds the danger was gone and pursuing the Quarians was too unknown of a danger to justify it.
>was too unknown of a danger to justify it.
So... avoiding danger wasn't self preservation? Do you read your own words before you hit "Submit"?
Read the OTHER words. "The danger had passed." They had no reason to do it. It's like saying "not jumping off the nearest cliff whenever possible is self-preservation". Sure, in a way, but you also have plenty of other reasons NOT to jump off a cliff.
>Read the OTHER words. "The danger had passed."
Yes, the immediate danger was over, so self preservation dictated staying on the defensive at that point so as not to risk triggering an attack by the Council. That is self preservation, hence why they made the decision out of a desire to preserve their "lives". Get it? You contradicted yourself. You are a fricking moron.
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>Kenshi.jpg
ME3 does the Quarians dirty, an unfortunate consequence of the game losing a lot of the nuance and grey morality of 2.
I agree though. Even if quarians are buttholes in 3 I'm not allowing a fleet full of civilians to die because a few people on top were buttholes, especially just to save a few toasters that now want to use Reaper tech.
I think even in me2 you can tell the quarians are a bit stupid but it makes sense because of how desperate they are to retake their home. The Admirals are some of the best side characters in the series I like how they made the douchebag in 2 be so sympathetic in 3 because of how he he's the only one who doesn't want to throw their lives away fighting geth and the chest pounding respectable military man is the douche in 3. Xen is the best one but she got cucked she should have been a major villain
>douchebag in 2
Koris was always right.
>Xen is the best one but she got cucked she should have been a major villain
It's ironic that people think she's evil for wanting to control the geth but most of those same people will choose to rewrite the Heretics... which is the same exact thing.
>Xen uploads into the collective
>becomes SHODAN
>thicc hipped machine abominations now ravage the flotilla
>only one Spectre can hope to save the Quarian race...
Blasto game when?
I was a dumb teen when I first did that mission. Now I always destroy because yeah rewriting is fricked up.
Who gives a shit about machine liberty? It's stupid to rewrite the Heretics because in doing so you are making the rest of the geth stronger and the rest of the geth are not your friends either. Legion is exploiting you and getting a lot more out of this deal than you are if you rewrite the geth. He gets rid of an enemy and gets stronger. The smart thing is thus to just blow the Heretics up that way a mutual enemy is removed but the rest of the geth don't get more powerful.
I liked Kelly better and Rex but was sad when I couldn't figure out how to keep Kelly from getting melted in 3 same kinda mad/sad like when Quiet was forced to leave in MGSV.
>play star trek/babylon five JRPG
>Will you hang out with generic human military types or zanny hat planet aliens?
I like art that doesn't show what's behind the visor more
So is the what ever new edition worth buying?
>requires origin
yo ho yo ho
On top of the writing aspects, there is also the gameplay thing. Tali and Garrus are the only characters that you can bring with you on the field in all three games. You basically already know their strenghts and don't need to learn to play with them. Also, in ME1 you can give them hacking and electronics skills instead of using points on your character. So that further incentivizes using those characters in the first game.
>Garrus
he's a bro
>Tali
she was literally custom designed to be non-threatening to appeal to low self-esteem guys, who make up the majority of the fanbase of these kinds of games
>she was literally custom designed to be non-threatening to appeal to low self-esteem guys
That's Liara but nice try at spreading this reddit mantra about Tali.
It's true though
Liara is the writer's pet but she was never le shy uwu anime waifu
That's exactly what she was in the first game.
You are legitimately unwell as frick if you think the chick who goes out and starts a massive crime intelligence network on her own is designed to be non-threatening in the same way as the naive faceless space gypsy
Liara in ME2 is basically an entirely new character, to the point where they made an entire DLC dedicated to bring back some of her innocence and submissiveness from 1 into 2.
Losing the commander changed her she was forced to be more cutthroat to keep up with the Shadow Broker and Cerberus. Right?
Everyone else goes through that too, but none of them do a complete 360.
Who goes from being an archeologist to extorting people for money as an information broker?
Because the shadow Broker killed her friend she spent 2 years hunting him and you don't spend that long doing something like that without getting new characteristics, she didn't really even have much of a personality in ME1 because of how directionless and antisocial her life was
>Because the shadow Broker killed her friend she spent 2 years hunting him and you don't spend that long doing something like that without getting new characteristics
You are missing the point because you have a low IQ.
WHY is Liara so obsessed with vengeance for the loss of this guy she barely knew? WHY is she so upset about losing Shepard?
Did you ACTUALLY pay attention to Liara's character in ME1? No, you didn't. Neither did the writers. In ME1 Liara is very rational and logical and emotionally stable. She is able to quickly accept and move on from own mother's death, who might have died right in front of her partially by her own hand. Liara goes on to talk about how asari process loss and grief differently from humans because as a culture they are well adapted to losing their non-asari partners centuries before their own deaths. So in light of that, tell me why Liara would be so bent out of shape about Shepard's death or care about Shepard's body? The only reason she'd care about Shepard's body would be if Cerberus wanted to resurrect him for the Prothean cipher... only that has nothing to do with it.
The comic about how Cerberus got Shepard's body back from the Shadow Broker should have starred Garrus. Regardless of how you mentor him he is renegade enough to accept an offer from Cerberus to get Shepard's body back. He's also well trained and equipped for such an operation, as opposed to Liara who is an archeologist who happens to have some powerful biotic ability.
>Even in ME1 the lore was the geth were being slaughtered for asking if they have a soul, you can have Shep say wtf that is messed up, so it's pretty obvious the narrative wanted to eventually lead to geth being sympathetic
Oh I'm not arguing with you. It was bullshit in ME1 though and it's bullshit in ME2 and ME3. The geth murdered BILLIONS of people and it was not justified but they are never called out on it.
>WHY is Liara so obsessed with vengeance for the loss of this guy she barely knew? WHY is she so upset about losing Shepard?
Because she's a weird sperg who spent most of her time alone in the ruins and has mommy issues. Now the first close friend/lover she ever had bites it, and she's pissed and bitter. It ain't that complicated, mate.
I just explained why that doesn't work.
They murdered all those Quarians in self defense because half of the Quarians were morons who wanted to genocide them. You are that the Quarians who wanted to kill the Geth started killing their own people who disagreed with them. Frick the Quarians. They get destroyed every time for being so fricking stupid. The galaxy loses nothing getting rid of these morons.
>you see, Legion, thanks to pussy liberal council laws, we have to say OH NO, THOSE BILLION QUARIAN CIVILIANS ARE COMIN' RIGHT FOR US
Liara's character change into a Shadow Broker is shit but you're moronic. Shepard is the only one with the Prothean cypher from the beacon. She mind melds with him multiple times in ME1 and constantly gushes over his unique ability to understand Prothean shit.
Even if you don't choose her as your LI (despite the fricking writers acting like everyone did) her she would care about Sheps death as someone who devoted her life to understanding Protheans. It serves her original character as a legitimate scientist.
If you think Liara being a cutthroat information broker in ME2 is believable character growth then you'd be believe anything. Why did she get into information trading and not join the NFL instead? She could take out her grief and aggressive urges on fellow linebackers. She'd win fame and money and influence through her high performance as a linebacker.
Or maybe she becomes a realtor instead? She can talk about how she found peace by finding other people homes. Watching them start new lives.
It's fricking moronic and you are a moron if you can't see it.
Without facial expressions I really had to listen more and pay attention to her dialogue. Something about a vulnerable female also is appealing.
Tali has a very feminine voice, Garrus starts out boring but becomes a major bro.
tali didn't resonate with me in the slightest let alone more than the other crew members, i hate arabs and their durka durka accent, i'm not attracted to hind legs of animals neither am i attracted to that foot binding mental illness from china, overall, 0 out of 10 for me, seethe and kys mentally ill trannies
have a pity (you)
Because Bioware thought Ashley and Kaidan would be the favourites, so they overwrote them with run of the mill traumatic backstories, which the aliens didn't have.
Yeah it was really baffling. They were by far the worst characters in the first game
>Unique looking
>Most loyal as they join your team in every game
>Garrus is a huge bro and basically your right hand guy. His romance is great and you can help guide him in ME1
>Tali is a sassy nerdy sweetheart who wants Shepard to dominate her as she immediately begins jerking off like crazy after meeting him again in ME2
Kaidan is a funny guy
>hey, need something, Commander?
>my L2 biotics hurt
>once i punched a guy out with my mind because he was trying to cuck me
>can i get some aspirin?
>i wonder if people would like me more if i was a tat'd up bawd.
They both have cool designs, are the most loyal squadmates to Shepard, and have very likeable characters.
The biggest flaw of both of them is you cannot share food/drink with them because of their dexro dna shit.
Because the less human-like a character is the more effort writers have to put in to create their character which results in them accidentally creating fleshed out characters. You see it a lot with other games with big budgets and "odd" characters
Does Legendary Edition still let me turn Garrus into a murder machine on insanity in 3?
It was cool seeing him mow down banshees by himself with the right build.
Huh. After all this time, I just now realized that Ashley and Kaiden only exist for the sake of the Virmire mission. Turns out there's a reason your human squadmates are low effort and meh while the alien buddies are fully fleshed out, vibrant characters with real storylines.
I liked Ashley only because not enough sci-fi stuff does space racism and the few times they do its taken to almost comedic extremes. Ashley's perspective is simple. Her family fought aliens. Aliens ain't human. Just don't like em. Norf FC.
I agree. It’s hilarious though how so many whiny c**ts act like she’s space Hitler and doom her to die on Virmire because she’s rightfully wary of alien species humanity has only recently been at peace with. Pretty sure it’s only been two generations since The First Contact War at the time of ME1. It’d be too unrealistic if there weren’t characters like Ashley or Pressly in the setting.
It was the dog line that did it. It was taken vastly out of context, but they never let it go
>It was the dog line that did it. It was taken vastly out of context, but they never let it go
Yeah, redditroons and Twitter trannies never let go of that, it's their beacon of hate to try and destroy Ashley's character as a whole.
It's also funny since Tali is virulently more racist in hindsight once the Geth get developed in 2
Bioware severely dropped the ball on the human squad mates in all three games as they're consistently the least interesting. I can't name a single characteristic about Jacob in ME2 other than he's the one token black guy, kaidan is a brooding gay, and the buff Mohawk guy in 3 (can't even remember his name) is just generic marine dude bro and his one interesting character moment was when he shared war stories with Garrus. This is especially bad considering the already did the hard-headed marine character in ME1 with Ashley.
Even in the good years, bioware always had problems with shoving in the token normal guy and having them he the least interesting.
It was such a bizarre mistake to repeat so often, and I think Alistair was the only time they didn’t frick it up
Alistair had a bit of wit and a sarcastic outlook on life, not anything groundbreaking but at least it made him unique and stick out a bit. I didn't use him much in Dragon Age because I usually played a tank.
Meanwhile Jacob is just. There. Can't remember a single thing about him or his loyalty mission.
I remember that the Jacob one had his dad turbo raping all those women. It was extra funny because they made the one black man have a rapist for a father.
he's also the only companion that will cheat on the player
I remember Jacob from the fact that he's the only guy in the series to cheat on Shepard.
Kek though who the frick would go for the guy is a mystery.
Alistair is the exception that proves how badly they fricked it up every other time. He's THE most important party member with a lot of personal connection to the story (in a way that fits the Origins theme of the game), a direct connection to the player, and an interesting personality. He's charismatic and has actual convictions about things that will lead to him opposing you on decisions. DA:O's willingness to have party members actually just disagree with you, sometimes violently, really helps the characters feel fleshed out.
That's what made me like ME2 the most of the three is because you could get you team to disapprove of you and even fail to gain loyalty out of 4 quests and then the choosing one or the other moments also(I think it was bullshit you could gain back the one you sided against though)
I wonder if they only included the human squaddies out of some weird sense of obligation. Like, human=relatable, but it feels like the writers cared way more about the alien squaddies.
>Bioware severely dropped the ball on the human squad mates in all three games as they're consistently the least interesting
I disagree. Jack and Miranda had great backstories.
Yeah, but Miranda is just a knockoff Liara. Seriously, Miranda is just a less interesting version of what Liara became post-ME1.
>Yeah, but Miranda is just a knockoff Liara
Absolutely not. She's a knockoff Evelyn Mulwray.
Dude Liara was so uninteresting they had to write a dlc making her le ebic Shadow Broker, just so she’d have a reason to even exist. Not saying Miranda has that interesting of a background but she’s less of a cardboard cutout than Liara.
to the contrary, Shadow Broker was the best mission but Liara sucked after ME1.
ME1 Liara: Mission Vao groupy all over Shepherd's dick because he touched a Prothean artifact.
ME2 Liara: bubbly personality replaced with cobwebbed-ovaried career woman.
>Shepherd I'm too busy at the office
Like Triss in TW1 vs Triss in TW2, it's not even the same character.
her Metropolis sexiness is the only likeable new squadmate in 3.
Buff McLargehuge was the best human squadmate out of all three games and I still can't remember his name.
Absolutely not. He had no business being in the game, in the first place, and he was mid, at best.
This. Even though I like Steroid Steve. I would have taken any former squadmate over him.
>Mohawk guy in 3 (can't even remember his name) is just generic marine dude bro
James is probably the only good human companion in the whole series lmao
He is a good soldiers that exaggerates his neat headedness and ignorance as cope because he feels unsure of himself and is worried he won't live up to Shepard's expectations.
>James is probably the only good human companion in the whole series lmao
You posted cringe, my man.
not the og poster but I agree
James Vega is better than any human crew member since ME1. He is a bulky space marine in a war, that's it. Miranda, Jacob, Ash, Kaiden, and others are hyped up as 'muh sooo deep characters' but they are not. All of them except Kaiden just have dime a dozen daddy issues that are not interesting whatsoever. I skip Miranda and Jacob's loyalty missions every time in ME2 because I don't care.
What Im saying is James Vega is written more honestly than the others. They wanted a dumb space marine in your squad and that is what you get.
>James Vega is better than any human crew member since ME1
Cringe.
>brain dead meathead
James Vega is literally just the exposition guy.
Miranda's character is more so about her being insecure more than anything
Vega is the best of the standard start of game humans, but Jack and the DLC duo beat him (even if the two DLC characters would have benefited greatly from more conversations)
>They wanted a dumb space marine in your squad and that is what you get.
Yet again, there's an alien squadmate who does that better. I love my precious son.
No Krogan in 3 (outside of dlc) was a massive shame, but they wanted a small crew and were already pressed for space. Regular human (reduced to 1 from the usual 2), Liara, EDI, Prothean, and mandatory Tali and Garrus slots already make 6, which is the amount of crew members 1 had. Vermire survivor honestly probably should have been cut for a Krogan, but then you'd lose the all important human female love interest which your run of the mill xbox playing normalgay probably wants in addition to the now newly bisexual Kaiden (granted, Vega could be made bisexual but I don't know if fans would accept it).
Vermire survivor is only in the game for like 25% of it
>Vermire survivor honestly probably should have been cut for a Krogan
Why the frick would you cut them instead of just cutting out Vega?
Vega is more fun
Plus the survivor forced them to essentially create two exclusive characters that will never see use in the same run.
>Vega is more fun
I hated him. Second worst human in the franchise, next to Kai Leng.
Kai Leng makes zero sense in the game since he's some sword ninja guy but he only have like ten lines in the game
Is the hate some sort of meme
He's just kind of an obnoxious Gary Stu the exists to show up, kick your ass in cutscenes, and then be a pathetic jobber in actual boss fights. There's a laundry list of issues, which is impressive since like you said he only shows up 3 times.
Kai Leng is hated because
>He shows up at the 11th hour
>the player is informed how badass he is by having people tell you about it, then giving him cutscene superpowers
>his design comes straight out of a bad ninja fanart page
>has a smug demeanor that is completely unearned
>"good, you opened this message"
>killing him is supposed to be cathartic as you defeat a worthy foe, but ends up as being cathartic because you don't have to deal with his shit anymore
>part of Cerberus, which is one of the key reasons ME3 is so shit
>is involved in a book so shit it got recalled, where he breaks into Anderson's house and steals his cereal as a show of dominance
>has not a single trace of irony too him
He's a prime example of what happens when nobody puts their foot down on a bad idea. He should never have left the concept stage
Jacob exists.
Yes. Doesn't change what I said.
I'd take Jacob over Vega.
Jacob has zero personality, doesn't open up to you at all, and cheats on you if you dare to slog through his romance.
Jacob is on a whole new plane of shitty crew writing that Vega couldn't hope to touch.
>Jacob has zero personality, doesn't open up to you at all, and cheats on you if you dare to slog through his romance.
Exactly. Jacob is inoffensive. Also, your fault for playing FemShep in the first place. Vega is a homosexual that won't shut up, is everywhere, and you have to deal with him, because even if you have Ashley on the team, she's only in the game for 25% of it, and if you want a soldier, you're stuck with Vega. There's another 10 choices, to Jacob, in ME2.
That's what pissed me off the most in ME3 was how needlessly small your squad was. Why not give at least four or five more choices based on ME1 outcomes (Wrex, Kirrahe) and/or from the highest surviving of Mass Effect 2 barring Tali and Garrus (Grunt, Legion, Samara). For fricksakes there were more saves that kept Grunt alive than Tali but he can't rejoin your squad?
>Why didn't they just give us five or six more fully voiced characters that most players probably aren't going to see?
>Why didn't they give us the feature they promised since the first game
Looking at how VA work was handled in three only Kirrah would take more lines. Wrex has as much dialog recorded (precitadel) dlc as Javick, a DLC only follower. Grunt, Legion, Samara could also do what they did with Tali and Garrus and recycle VA work they did in ME2.
Your reasoning would only work if they didn't waste so much time and resources plugging them into quests and in some cases alt romance scenes.
It was not a wise idea to have such a large squad in the second game.
Kirrah and Wrex would require a shit ton more voice work to account for the missions you'd have to be able to take them on. 3 opted for fewer crew members in exchange for not having the "lol completely silent" crew issue 2 did on a ton of missions.
Speaking of I tried taking Grunt on Mordin's loyalty mission recently. It's really weird that he has no lines for the mission, when characters like Garrus and Tali do.
Yeah, that's one of the things that makes ME2 feel rather unpolished at times. A huge shame.
I thought everyone has dialogue on various loyalty missions when you would least expect it. Legions is naturally cut or outright denied to you but otherwise you'd have Mordin commenting on Jack's mission and the treatment of the kids there or Grunt praising Jacks escape for blowing people up.
Depends on the mission and crew member. Every loyalty mission has at least one other crew member that can be chatty, but not every character has something to say on every loyalty mission.
Funny enough despite being a late game addition to the team, Tali has shit to say on nearly every mission outside of DLC and filler stuff.
>"lol completely silent" crew issue 2 did on a ton of missions.
That was the DLC which is a whole other can of worms. They were all pretty chatty in the main quests, recruitment quest, and loyalty quests.
I think that Miranda is the only one that talks during the dlcs and it's all the same stock dialogue of hers
Uh, no. Miranda doesn't say anything. She's as mute as the rest. A little of Joker's dialog is re-used for Arrival and everybody gets one piece of re-used dialog for Lair of the Shadow Broker when the trade center is attacked.
I meant on the missions
I guess you mean the cut scenes
Well even on the missions you are wrong.
Nope
She, on all of the N7 missions she repeats dialogue
If there's one thing I can praise ME3 for, it's actually giving the crew new dialogue for the DLC missions.
Probably could afford it because of the smaller squad.
It's not that. Leviathan DLC force you to use EDI and Vega as well as Steve being most of the dialog at the last part of the quest. Omega DLC forced you with two new squad mates, From Ashes has very minimal conversation between you and the squad, Citadel gets weird to measure due to it's nature, but as shown, it just took the approach Arrival did in 2 and cut down/out your squad choices.
Dude, they had to make 18 different outcomes with characters that carried most of the game, the Council, Wrex, Ash, Kadien, 12 squad mates of mass effect 2. They would have saved themselves a lot of time and programing if they just made them join up/available to you as opposed to have to re script 3/4ths of the games quests
>They would have saved themselves a lot of time and programing if they just made them join up/available to you
Are you a child? I feel like you have zero understanding of how games are made.
I'm not sure why you call anon that when it's a decent point, they had double script almost every mission and quest with triggers based on an ME2 save. That is a lot of work, at least as much as just making them squadies that hang out and comment on missions. I'm not saying you could take all of them, but there is a good amount of them they would be easy fill ins.
>Funny enough despite being a late game addition to the team, Tali has shit to say on nearly every mission outside of DLC and filler stuff.
weirdly so does legion, unless you pair him with Grunt then their are two interactions where he is silent to grunt's comment.
Tali is a meme
he's just forgettable
>implying anyone who swings that way wouldn't want this BEEF
The Virmire survivors exist solely for the sake of the Virmire mission. That story beat was a mistake.
I actually like Vega. He's a gung ho marine as much as it gets and I think games need characters like that. I liked Cole Train from Gears of War for the same reason too.
And of course ME3 feels like Gears so there is that
Vega is obnoxious as frick, an annoying and worthless addition. When he tries to call me "Loco" I physically cringe, and I don't even play Femshep where he constantly gets fresh. Frick Cortez too, every time I go down to the shuttle bay I fricking regret it because I usually have to listen these two morons banter about how Hispanic and gay they are.
I do like Vega the most out of all the human crew aside from Jack, but Jack wears her breasts out so she has an innate advantage. Also Jack feels like an honorary alien crew-member, being the biotic nuke ex-con that she is.
Really I just hate Vega the least out of all the bland, annoying human whiners that somehow manage to sneak onto my space boat before the tutorial mission is over.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who imagined femshep adopting the Warrior Turtle Child.
>Grunt you are Urdnot now, do you know what this means?
>It mean I have a responsibility to uphold as a member of my cla--
>no, no no no. It means I am now technically related to Wrex. We are now technically cousins.
>Shephard that doesn't make sen--
>SHEPHARD! MY FRIEND!!
>EEYYYYY!! COUSIIIIIN!!
>I'm glad I'm not the only one who imagined femshep adopting the Warrior Turtle Child.
Right? They are absolutely parent and child, and it's adorable. The bailout scene clinches it.
The DLC pair and Jack are pretty good in 2, and James is enough of a meat head that he's just fun to have around. Even Ashley is compelling enough in 1.
I actually kinda liked Huge McLarge, he grew on me.
>geth are good boys who dindu nothin
Garrus Tali and Wrex have the best character arcs that’s why and are the most loyal
garrus's character is literally loose cannon cop cliche. that said i think people like him because hes always a bro to shepard and hes available in all 3 games
Plus a smooth voice.
>you cant write loose cannon cops well
legion was a bro
I agree but you don’t get to hang out with him for long
i think at some point in development you were supposed to get him earlier in me2, because he has voice lines in the files for a lot of the earlier missions.
You can blame Xbox
The original idea was for you to be able to get everyone at any point, with the story missions in-between, but because of Xbox they had to split the game into 2 disks
The original draft had the Geth saving and reviving Shepherd, not Cerberus.
It would be trippy if Shepherd wokeup on a Geth ship.
I get they were setting up TIM as human-Saren but his betrayal still comes off as poisoning the well. Cerberus was right about everything.
I can't remember the reason why they changed it to Cerberus, but that's why Legion has a lot of early dialogue.
This reminded me that Jacob was such a terrible character because they went out of their way to try not to make him a stereotype and inadvertently did just that while also not giving him any nuance. He's a black guy whose dad basically ran out on him and then cheats on his lover at the first available opportunity.
Beef Slabcake was actually a pretty good character, but they fricked him over by having him take the place of what should've been a Krogan squadmate. I feel like had that not happened, he would've been remembered more fondly.
>but that's why Legion has a lot of early dialogue.
A lot of the characters have dialogue for quests too early in the game for them to possibly comment on. This is because the 360 necessitating two discs forced Bioware into limiting some companions into the second half, when originally you were going to be able to recruit in any order you desired.
Garrus fans are NPCs who like whoever they're given. In ME1 Garrus' whole story arc was
>Shepherd may I please break the law?
and you tell him yes every conversation until the last he finally says
>you know, I might do good despite the law
He didn't become good until they made him a completely different character in ME2.
>recruit in any order you desired.
consoles downgrading games same as always.
>my headcanon might trump canon
no.
Canon > your headcanon.
You hear the doctor in terminals.
>I have failed to deliver what I promised
>TIM might pull funding
>he's getting suspicious of my methods
>he might findout and shut this place down
>Force feeds you carefully curated powerpoint presentations that paint the geth as sweet innocent cinnamon nuffins
>while repeatedly lying to your face
>goes from ME2 ''heroes don't use reaper upgrades'' to ME3 ''reaper code frick yeah''
>doesn't even trust Shepard enough to let him try and resolve the situation peacefully before beginning to upload the code
Yeah, no.
Legion is jesus, you cant betray jesus anon.
To be fair on the last point you need a speech and 5 other score points to stop the space rats from nuking them.
he was your otoutosan
I'll never forgive Bioware for making him recruitable so late, unless you sacrifice the crew. What a waste. Legion should have been there from the start.
You can activate and do his loyalty mission immediately after getting him
>start a new playthrough
>end up taking Garrus and Tali on every mission in all three games
>again
everyone else just sucks apart from the krogans
Aliens are cool.
Garrus is hot in an alien way.
Tali is hot because she appeals to masked/latex fetishists.
Literally constructed for the most obscene, raunchy, degrading sex ever imagined.
With varrens
I knew a Polish girl with all the same mannerisms as Tali who loved guys pissing down her throat during blowjobs, so it checks out.
did you get to hit it?
Yeah.
She had us connect a UV drip between my dick tip and her urethra and piss into her bladder.
>She had us connect a UV drip between my dick tip and her urethra and piss into her bladder.
I... I genuinely do not know what to say if it's true.
its not true you idiot
It's 100% true. Fricked her in the ass afterward and she pissed my urine out onto the bed.
Wildest frick I will ever experience.
nani the frick
>URETHRA TO URETHRA
emergency induction port
zomg! no way!
while it's funny to just add on to the pile of reaction images, I'm genuinely not surprised by anything at this point
Thank you anon. I haven't been this shocked by a post in a while
Well done
What the frick?
va?
Okay I think that was enough internet for tonight
>tfw no high quality art of Tali getting her skull caved in with a sledgehammer and her exposed brains bukkake smothered in Batarian jizz
What did she mean by that?
Never played the sequels, so I can only speak for the first game, but Ashley was a turboc**t and Liara was blander than hardtack. Plus I have a thing for hackwrench gals.
Wide hips and homosexuals.
Garrus is a bro and a fricking gentleman
Garrus is fricking rad but I always felt like Tali was a little sister or something. Part of the Normandy crew and basically family, and I never found her to be hot. For whatever reason, I didn't care to frick her both times I played through all three Mass Effect games.
Shut up reddit roastie.
It's always the same mantra with you trannies.
Garrus was just based. Tali had that mystery thing going...
Because people are attracted to exotic things, even if they're not that interesting as characters.
>Why did teenage crush you wishe you'd had and your intergalactic best friend resonate with fans so much more than the more boring crew members?
truly a mystery
They were in all 3 games.
Best companions in each game
1 = Wrex
2 = Jack
3 = Edi
>Edi
ugh I never used her anywhere else other than the mission where she is mandatory. You get all of her dialogue in missions most of the time even without her being present
Remember how they lied and said companions from 1 couldn't be in 2 because they'd die. Then almost none of the companions from the first two games were squadmates in 3 yet they added Ronnie from the Jersey Shore but Mexican.
lol yeah it was funny for its' realism. I was pissed my first playthrough when I foundout if you don't talk to Token the devs punish you by killing Jack.
>evil warrior
Newkid, started with Korgan the chaotic evil dwarf berserker, who kicked ass with his +5 Great Axe in Baldur's Gate Shadows of Aum.
The Krogan race's named after him. Wrex carried-on that archetype of the mercenary (you pay Korgan to get him to join your party) and Wrex was the only likeable companion in ME1.
>less sweet girl
you mean prostitute. Morrigan and Virconia were prostitutes.
“Find peace in the embrace of the Goddess”
>that pic
Somehow worse than ME3 ending.
They're cool aliens that look alien. The humans and the blue humans were bland as shit.
The truth is that Bioware was never particularly good at character writing so everyone just falls into cookie-cutter molds, so being an alien at least gives a character something interesting to latch onto. If you're a stock human character you've got nothing going on.
Aliens that were in each game.
Wrex was also a fan favorite but then they shafted him.
I dont see Tali's appeal and I almost never brought Garrus with me in my first playthroughs. For me it's Ashley.
>Garrus
Cause he's a ride or die bro who's with you throughout all games. With no major conflict against you, unlike the rest of the cast over the trilogy.
>Tali.
People like character growth and nerds, also again, she's the one who stays throughout the trilogy.
Bioware Party Member Archetypes Ranked:
>Normal Human with Tragic Backstory: Anomen > Alistair > Blackwall > Kaidan > Jacob > Aveline > Sky
>Sweetheart Girl: Aerie > Tali'Zorah > Leliana > Dawn Star > Merrill > Mission Vao
>Less Sweet Girl: Viconia > Morrigan > Miranda > Bastila > Cassandra > Silk Fox > Isabella
>Honorable Warrior: Canderous Ordo > Keldorn > Javik > Sten > Grunt
>Psychotic Warrior: Minsc > HK-47 > Zaeed > Black Whirlwind > Iron Bull > Oghren > Fenris
>Charming Rogue: Varrick > Zevran > Haer'dalis
Probably missing more, but I got bored.
Best backstory
According to this "chart" Kasumi has bigger butt than Allers. Must be something wrong with my eyes because it certainly doesn't look like it.
She looks bigger because of the brighter colour suit. Metrics don't like.
>Ashely is not submissive in the slightest and voiced by a fat black woman
>Miranda is infertile
>Jack is crazy, trashy and prostituted herself out to countless men
Allers is the only true option
Allers looks like she hit the wall at FTL speeds. Wasn’t she face scanned from some games journalist or something?
Allers was scanned in from a Gamespot """journalist""", explaining why she's such a shitty character with awful VA work.
FRICK THAT SEEING HER FACE SHIT.
GET IT OUTTA HERE.
THE MYSTERY ONLY ENHANCES IT YOU PLEB!
If it's dextro, it's made for sextro
Wrex was just as big but left the party, Tali had a cute look, Liara was pushed by the writers so little surprise. I think the real question is why did Ashley and Kaidan not resonate as much. Is it that they were human?
>Kaidan
complaining about headaches was his character in ME1. No one chose him because Ashley has a pussy. In ME3 he's a homosexual.
>Ashley
written out after ME1. She would make the most sense as a Cerberus operative out of any of the squadmates from ME1.
Despite that, players get Garrus, who worked for the Council via Csec, a Turian, whose people warred with man, and have been attacked by Cerberus, and
Tali, a spy who scanned the original Normandy's tech for the Quarian fleet.
>She would make the most sense as a Cerberus operative out of any of the squadmates from ME1.
Nah. She's pro-human but never to the degree Cerberus was, and she's an Alliance cheerleader.
Granted, Survivor Shepherd joining Cerberus makes no sense either.
I love thane krios. He'll always be my husband
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-pilgrimage-v1-1-messman.117441/
Liara used to be ok in the first game, but then the feminism hit her like a truck.
She went from a shy scientist to a super spy female fatale in the spam of a few years lols.
And it all happened off-screen with no indication that she was going in that direction.
yep.
It's supposed to be the Asari transition between phases but
1. It sucks balls.
2. Samara provides the milf.
So where before she was a young groupie now she's a past-the-wall hr catlday. How the frick this was pitched as an improvement or good development for her character I don't know. Tali in ME2 is the nearest approximation of what Liara was in ME1.
>hates Cerberus
>is dumb lorelet
checksout.
A point they reiterate a thousand times is that Cerberus has a loose cell structure. There's a limit to how much even TIM knows about what a branch is doing. Apparently hearing it said 1k times was too few for you to remember.
>Council
space UN
>Alliance
betray Shepherd
The cell excuse doesn’t hold water when TiM is shown to have incredible scrutiny on even the most minor operations and rides the ass of his operatives to get results (as shown in both Jack’s loyalty and overlord) but then holds back just enough to not actually know the full moron they’re going.
It’s just that, an excuse to make TiM seem to be the morally grey he’s being shilled as rather than hilariously stupid and carried by Sheen’s fantastic voice work
The very sources you're citing disprove your false premise. Jack's loyalty mission reveals the doctor running the experiment went rogue, was hiding his activities from TIM, TIM was growing suspicious, and when he confirmed the worst he shut the program down and helped its' victims recover. Its' the mission which best proves Ceberus' reputation is worse than it deserves.
Too bad they went full moron in ME3. Well more to their ME1 roots.
TIM could still be lying about all of that. Him "finding out" about the program might have been part of the plan all along. A compartmentalization effort to retroactively cover their asses. When the truth about the place is in danger of leaking, that information makes its way to TIM, and he then pretends to be shutting down the operation of rogue agents. Cerberus saves face, operatives are thrown under the bus, business as usual.
The loose cell structure is just an excuse that gives TIM plausible deniability when shit hits the fan. Either way, it's hardly an excuse for how poorly managed the organization is, given its consistent output of unethical experiments that go horribly wrong.
I still have no idea why people liked Garrus in the first game when he only became interesting in the sequel.
He was alright in ME1.
A relatively green dude (at least compared to Shepard) who looks up to you. You steer him towards a path.
I actually didn't like the whole not!Batman thing he had in 2 at first. Felt really sudden.
>You steer him towards a path.
Well, not by direct influence. On my Super-Cerberus racist Chad Shepard playthrough, I entirely ignored Garrus and never took him with me on my mission against Saren. He still turned out the exact same way in the sequel. And then he died, alongside every other alien on the crew.
Well that was the original idea. In the end choices don't fricking matter.
ME1: Tali > Ashley > Liara
ME2: Tali > Jack > Liara
ME3: I don't remember anything about that game.
Liara isn't bad, she's just too horny.
>Garrus
My bro
>Tali
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX
IMPREGNATE IMPREGNATE IMPREGNATE
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX
I'M GONNA MARRY THIS GIRL, MY HUMAN CUM WILL MAKE A MIRACLE IN THAT WOMB I LOVE YOU TALI AHHHHHHHHH
Is the Yujiro pose truly the most based pose one can strike?
>Mass Effect Remasted has the DLC by default
>Mass Effect Remastered is also censored
Well shit.
It's literally one scene, and even from my sex-craved coomer life, it was a little wacky to focus on Miranda's ass while she has an existential crisis about her existence.
That's still censored.
No, flattening her ass would be censorship. Changing one scene so the focus isn't on her ass out of the myriad of other scenes where it remains the focus is not.
That still censorship.
>No, flattening her ass would be censorship.
Removing her ass from the shot is still censorship.
You fundamentally do not understand what censorship is. I repeat, removing all close-up shots of her ass, or changing the model entirely, would be censorship. They altered one scene in a twenty hour RPG.
Does Bioware pay you per post or buy the hour? Where can anons apply for your job title?
>implying anyone willingly works for Bioware
I'm not a shill, I'm just not a moron. I know from your perspective the two might seem to cross. Every other scene where Miranda's ass was on display is the exact same. Her ass model is the exact same. They changed one scene so her having a breakdown about being a test tube baby didn't focus on her ass. That is not censorship.
>Mass Effect Andromeda was so bad EA shutdown the studio and fired everyone
>Cyberpunk suckibg so bad was because CD Projekt Red hired them
How pozzed and buggy will Mass Effect 4 be? I know damn well there won't be attractive females since Bioware is no longer Bioware.
>How pozzed and buggy will Mass Effect 4 be?
>Bioware is currently rushing out another garbage Dragon Age sequel at the same time
Very.
Will DA4 be worse than DA2 can't wait to find out
All the women will look like dykes or trannies, 80% of the characters will be black and the game will be effectively non-functional until it gets patched several months after release.
>Not a single comment about Mordin
I'm disappointed in you Ganker.
>Dr.Mengela
Bioware was becoming /ourdev/ before EA killed it.
Who counts ME3?
Why did they change his voice actor from 2 to 3?
wasn't in 1
cool in 2
died in 3
Everybody likes Mordin
Garrus is both a bro, and has quite a development in all 3 games.
He goes from being a newbie idealistic cop, to exleader of a vigilante deathsquad on a city run by gangs, to a fricking demigod of war.
He is awesome, and you kindda have something to do with that development, like raising a boy to be who he is because he geniunly admires you without being a fanboy.
Tali is cute, and goes through hell with you, multiple times.
But most of all, they been with you from the start, and will accompany you with next to no doubts, while the rest of the team either dies, fricks off to do their own thing, don't trust you anymore, or a replaced by someone else until you do something.
And they are pretty easely recognisable too.
This. Wrex is my ME1 homeboy, he's always on the team, but Garrus and Tali trade for second slot. Humans can sit on the fricking bench, if I wanted to play with human co-workers I'd sign up for the company ball team.
because they're hot
Sheploo
Garrus
Tali
Dextro Squad for life.
god i wish i looked like tali (not her actual boring face her mask)
Like the other anon said Tali appeals to neckbeard touch starved types because she is nerdy and nonthreatening and fills the shy anime waifu quota.
Her character is fine but she has barely any chemistry with Shepard
>W-what if we say Talichads are everything Liaragays are?!??
You redditors have no shame LMAO
Liara is pretty much on par with Shep after ME1 in terms of competence and is your partner in crime even if you don't romance her, Tali has kind of "cute imouto" she wants to romance you because you're a daring space captain who saves her straight out of her romance flicks & her role in Citadel DLC is to be as cute as possible the different power dynamic is there. They're both fine romance though
Liaragays are women and the writers
Regardless, Tali still appeals to those people
Tali got cucked by not being a romance option in ME1 most players stick to their first romance which is why such an overwhelming amount of the playerbase romanced Liara (only competition is Ashley). and Tali comes off as too much of a little sister type your interactions are never romantically charged until all of a sudden she starts talking about having quarian sex with you which is a flaw with ME2 how characters just suddenly want to go to bone town
>Tali comes off as too much of a little sister type
Never came across that way to me. People who say this I guarantee never had a little sister. Tali to me always come across as a hot foreign exchange student.
I think it comes across as that because she's on her pilgrimage which is described as a coming of age thing, so it's like Shep is helping this teenage girl flourish into adulthood or something
I picked Ashley for the romance in the first game but had no trouble dropping her after the Horizon bit and her second guessing the guy who has been right and on top of things since the beginning
Ashleygays are the most cucked of all I don't even know what her romance is like in me3, I think it's nice there's a climatic scene using her mistrust of you and Cerberus with culminative choices deciding if she believes you or not but it doesn't help the romancers
I dropped her for Miranda and let Garrus shoot her in the third game after she continued with that second guessing Shepard routine for Udina of all people
You are a narcissist. I've noticed that Mass Effect seems to predominantly attract that kind of person. Something about the Shepard persona really attracts people with that personality disorder.
Cope
The Vermire survivor has zero reason to mistrust Shepard in favor of people who've been questionable up to that point.
Narcissism isn't a personality disorder, its the natural state of the human mind. Not being a narcissistic means you were brainwashed to be a slave.
No, it's natural to be frustrated when the writers are clearly trying but failing to introduce natural points of contention. The virmire survivor's reasons for mistrusting shepard are never intelligent ones, and shepard is never allowed to make intelligent points back. it's just spam right up or down and call it a day.
They were clearly trying to hit DA:O's style, where characters were well known for not being PC cheerleaders, but couldn't find a way to make it feel natural.
>No, it's natural to be frustrated when the writers are clearly trying but failing to introduce natural points of contention.
That's not the issue though. People just hate it when a character doesn't suck their wiener.
That's exactly the issue though
The fact people are fine with Sten, Alistair and Morrigan disprove this.
In character disagreement is great and in Sten's case punishes players for sucking up to them.
Stupid disagreement is shit and leads to annoying railroading.
Dragon Age is no Mass Effect and does not have the same fan demographics or appeal.
She's gross and you're a gay.
>people just hate it
>these people, players of another bioware game released not even 2 years prior, don't
>they don't count
You still haven't said anything to support
>people just hate it
either.
If you wouldn't spitroast your waifu with your best bro, you're a gay.
>if you won't do this gay stuff you are gay
You're one of those closeted gays who watches porn with your bro sitting next to him on the couch
It's only gay if the dicks touch.
Most people who played ME at its height were teenager zoomers or coming of age millennials, also dudebros (Geargays, Halogays)
Redditards and Twittertrannies don't understand this because the vast majority of them were already sad bitter adult liberals for who Tali would be ONLY 17 YEARS 364 DAYS OLD!!
Crazy they all think everyone played the trilogy at the same age and the same mindset.
I played ME2 when I was a horny 15yo, WHY THE FRICK WOULD TALI BE LIKE A LITTLE SISTER TO ME IF SHE WAS LIKE 5 YEARS OLDER THAN ME?
You lost redditroons, vast majority of ME players were teenagers when choosing their LI for the first time, there's nothing "creepy" about liking Tali, doesn't matter how much you seethe about it. You just got lucky you were the majority of people who stayed in this God forsaken fan base
This explains why I never realized until recently that Mission was supposed to be 14, she just seemed like an older teen since she had the same proportions as adult characters.
Yeah, for me Mission was also an adult when I first played KOTOR
Liaragays are NPCs
Tailigays are incels and simps
Ashelygays love femdom
Mirandagays are coomers or pajeets
Jackgays are going to get financially btfo by a crazy person irl
Kellygays are gigachads
Samaragays are contrarians
Morinthgays forgot their meds
Dianagays aren't
And as for you?
>Liara
Boring
>Ashley
Too masculine
>Tali
Sweet and nice
>Miranda
Insecure and b***hy
>Jack
Deranged and ugly.
>Kelly
Nice but probably a bawd.
>Samara
Boring.
>Morinth
Interesting but a death sentence.
>Diana
no.
Reddit beta boy mentality
Plz can I haz me a nice innocent sweet girl waifu
No, it's called being healthy and well adjusted. I want my partner to be somebody who is pleasant to be around. Is that so hard for you to understand?
You sound like the type of homosexual/femoid that seethes over the "pick-me girl" boogieman.
That's fine
But you are actual prey for those types
Future beta provider
>Plz can I haz me a nice innocent sweet girl waifu
This, but unironically
Reminder that ME3 ruined Tali by making her a drunkard bawd who gets a tramp-stamp and wants an interspecies threesome. Tali is trash so find a nicer quarian like Lia'Vael or something.
Perfect writing for her madonna-prostitute complex simps
She wanted a threeway between you, her and Garrus. Perfectly acceptable.
>not wanting a threesome with your best bro(garrus) and your waifu(tali)
You are a homosex.
Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two different franchises. Some people who play Dragon Age also play Mass Effect but probably not most.
Even if I let you walk away with that goalpost, which I won't, who are the people who just hate it?
You've still done jack shit to back that up.
>Even if I let you walk away with that goalpost,
What fricking goal post are you talking about? I said Mass Effect attracts a lot of narcissists. You brought up Dragon Age, but Dragon Age is not Mass Effect. You made an invalid comparison. Now frick off.
Gay and cuck behavior
>Femsheptroons yet again trying to shit up the thread with their headcanon
No one cares about you at all, the fact that I didn't get that threesome Tali stuff and I had to Google it it's proof enough.
The shadow broker said it himself, if Maleshep exists Garrus will always be chucked out of everything in that universe, that includes Tali.
I have never used femshep
Neither has most anybody else.
Only people that like their characters to have more emotional range than a plank
I like my character to have the emotional range of a hardened soldier (Broshep) not a thirsty soccer mom (femshep)
Lol
This
Meer sounds like how you would expect a seasoned commander to sound
Hale sounds like a pissed off aunt when renegade or like a 12 year old boy otherwise
>gets a tramp-stamp and wants an interspecies threesome
what
when did that happen? been a while since last I played 3
Citadel DLC during the party if Jack is alive.
I want to crack a joke along the lines of "EDIgays are factually correct", but I much prefer to tell you to go frick yourself for being a tribalist twat.
BioWare hit a jackpot with Garrus and Tali. Don't know how much of it was planned on their part and how much of it is completely accidental, but they've created two characters which resonate with the average player very well - loyal friend who is with you no matter what (Garrus) and an exotic girlfriend who can hold her own yet is feminine at the same time (Tali).
I can't get myself to care about the Geth, Quarians, Krogan, Turian. I really only ever cared for the Salarians and Asari.
Asari are boring as hell. Bog standard wise alienscin bog standard blue alien babe bodies. The only cool things about them are the things Samara introduced to the series, Justicars and Ardat-Yakshi
EDI is best girl, and I will not hear otherwise. I hate that she's not in the first game.
>
That doesn't count, and you know it.
EDI is trash the moment she gets that body.
I never understood why they designed her body like that. She should just retain Eva's appearance.
If I had to guess the made her OG body first and Eva was the solution to how to get her that body
Tali should have never shown her face
EDI should have never gotten a body
Vega's whole character is asking questions but anons on Ganker will pretend like he's better than the other human characters
He's entertaining, which is more than you can say about most of the standard starting human squads.
I like Vega despite that, I just don't find him to be better than most of the other human charcters
I think following up Jacob, the most reviled crewmember in the og trilogy, probably helps.
>Wrex has to go and be a leader
>replacement krogan squadie is Grunt
This is an acceptable compromise.
>Garrus
>Wrex
This is the only acceptable squad for the first game
Behold, the only good human squad member
Renegade Shepard
Jack
And Zaeed
A squad made in hell
I like Kasumi, wish she had just a bit more going on.
Fact: The Suicide Mission should have forced you to lose at least 1 non-Jacob crewmate.
I agree, 1 or 2, even the dialogue before deciding the fate of the base makes it appear as if you're meant to lose some members
Disagree.
>Implying being an anime waifu is a bad thing in a sea of western trash waifs.
Is it a bad idea to ignore 95% of the side quests in ME1?
They just seem boring as frick I don't want to run around the citadel talking to characters I don't care about for hours
You can ignore ME1 overall.
I'm playing through it now but just realized I get locked out of the side quests after a certain mission I'm not going to name for spoiler reasons
It is unreal the amount of times I've jerk offd to Garrus
god help me
Why are all the women in the future so fricking big?
Growth hormones and cybernetic implants designed for maximum breedability.
Skintight-wrapped booty.
Tali sex
Liara is probably more popular than Tali
Only with casuals and the writers. Dedicated fans don't care much about her.
For me? It's
ME1: Garrus/Wrex
ME2: Garrus/Grunt
ME3; Garrus/Javak
I've never really used Garrus because I always played Infiltrator and it seemed like a waste. I generally bring Tali (despite her not being that great) and some biotics user.
I feel like only being able to take 3 party members in missions is far too limiting, it should be 4 or 5.
This except ME2 is Garrus/Zaeed usually. Last playthrough was Grunt though. Also Renegade.
ME1: Tali/Garrus, sometimes use Wrex instead of Garrus
ME2: Swap between Tali, Garrus, Samara, and Grunt, favoring Tali
ME3: Tali/Garrus
First playthrough was as an Adept, playing through now as a Sentinel which feels better than Adept in 2 at least, I can actually deal with shields without a bonus power.
I don't know why people like Garrus in ME1. He's the weakest and most useful squadmate in combat and he's not even all that friendly in conversations. He's actually a rather prejudiced dickhead in ME1.
Garrus is only likeable in ME1, he then becomes the textbook definition of Gary Stu in ME2 and ME3. His character in the first game is flawed just like everyone else, you can feel his mind shaping as the game progresses, that shit makes a character feel real and it makes you want to interact with them further. I don't give a frick about the dudebro Garrus that feels like an edgy teenager self insert.
I don't know how you came to the conclusions you did unless you just didn't play any of the games.
He's even more flawed in the second game
Garrus goes from being a militant Turian with doubts on his by the book upbringing and Citadel code to going on a warpath in the Terminus Systems and willing to kill a guy on the same fricking Citadel for revenge. How is that a Gary Stu? He even has guilt over his squads death because he trusted the guy so much.
Le tough guy that is oh so perfect and you can't help but love? Yeah that is a Gary Stu
He gets propped up a bit in ME2 in a clumsy way. I think his storyline would work a little better if his squad got killed on Omega precisely because he was still mostly the stuck up butthole from ME1 and his people didn't trust or respect him. Then his arc in ME2 can be learning to become a leader for the end game.
Why does everyone on nu Ganker type like this?
Because they're 17 years old and just discovered the site.
How does Legion and Edi manage to have more nuance and depth than Tali?
EDI might have some nuance and depth but Legion has none. He's there purely to appeal to your attraction to the exotic and make the geth seem friendly. He has no substance at all and just sits there lecturing the player about how bigoted organics are.
Tali doesn't even need to say a single word. A single gesture from her is all it takes for me to genocide the Geth.
The Normandy? One word from Tali and it's the Migrant Fleets' ship now.
Humanity? Frick them all. I am loyal to Tali and the Migrant Fleet now.
Anon.... you must reign it in. You can't surrender humanity to quarian supremacy.
>Side with the quarians, use Shepard's protagonist powers to conquer the other races.
>Use the enslaved salarians to develop a way for male humans and female quarians to breed.
>Extinguish all human females, allow male quarians to serve their new masters as eunuchs.
>Spread Human-Quarian justice throughout the galaxy.
>Kasumi
>Grunt
>Legion
>Zaeed
I could not give a single frick about anyone else and they are named in the order of importance
What's life like in the Human-Quarian Empire?
wet
Good designs, good voice actors, fun personalities.
And they were the only two squaddies that were there for you through thick and thin for the entire journey.
>You can choose any three characters from the entire series regardless of location, living status, or affiliation to join you on Priority: Earth
Who do you pick?
Tali, Garrus, and Jenkins
Jack, Aria, and Morinth.
The ending of ME3 is shit, the whole game is shit, so who gives a frick? Why would I want to relive ME3?
Miranda
Garrus
Grunt
>or affiliation
Sovereign, Harbinger, Kalros
Blasto
Blasto
Blasto
Zaeed, Garrus, Wrex
I only feel sympathy for the Geth.
>You will never frick aliens with large asses
>ME4 is in the works
>We still won't get a Batarian teammate
>We still won't get a Volus teammate
>We still won't get a Hanar teammate
>We still won't get a Drell teammate
>We probably won't get a Quarian teammate because the Quarians could all be dead thanks to 3
>No Batarian
Good.
>No Volus
Great.
>No Hanar
Frick would you want one of those for
>No Drell
How can you forget about Thane?
I want a Hanar pilot, I like the idea of an aquatic race naturally taking to omnidirectional void combat.
Then we get the cute Drell girl who is assigned to the Hanar's household.
>Drell
Frick, meant Elcor
Instant Insanity mode with these options for teammates
>We still won't get a Batarian teammate
True and too bad because one would be very interesting.
>We still won't get a Volus teammate
Meme. Stupid.
>We still won't get a Hanar teammate
Meme. Stupid.
>We still won't get a Elcor teammate
Meme. Stupid.
Bioware was too fricking lazy to implement the other races because they didn't have a similar build to humans, and that was in their prime. Theres no way a bloated, carcass owned by EA is going to put them in.
To be honest you people assume you'll be playing as Shepard and should go in expecting Liara to be the protagonist looking for Shepard across 3 games.
Hanar, Elcor, and Volus squadmates would just be goofy meme characters anyway. Leave that shit in the Citadel DLC. Do a whole game based around the theme and tone of The Citadel if you must, but it would be a spinoff.
>Garrus is only likeable in ME1
I guess if you like stuck up, judgmental, ignorant people, yeah. He's interesting in ME1 but not somebody I'd like to hang out. Plus, he's a pig.
>I guess if you like stuck up, judgmental, ignorant people, yeah. He's interesting in ME1 but not somebody I'd like to hang out. Plus, he's a pig.
I like well written characters and you just described a well written character. Post-ME1 Garrus isn't a well written character.
>I like well written characters and you just described a well written character.
A well written character is not necessarily likable. Well written characters can be quite the opposite.
He's a cop and cops are pigs. A turian icop s just a dextro-ham.
Mark Meer has lots of range and sounds natural. You are a low intelligence, short attention span idiot female and you need your characters to be BIG AND BOMBASTIC and OMG SUPER DRAMATIC and EVERY MOMENT or you lose interest.
>plus he's a pig
Whaddya mean by that
I don't think they'll drop the custom character aspect. They've been hinting at a Shepard return which I personally don't want, let the poor guy rest. His story is done, and it'd be a slap in the face for people who didn't romance Liara if they do the whole "it's 100 years in the future and your lover is DEAD!" thing.
I think that ME4 will probably take as much inspiration as possible from ME2. That was the all around most successful game. I think then that there is a 70% chance that Shepard is resurrected again somehow.
If they take inspiration from 2, I hope they fix its issues while also incorporating the improvements the other games made. Namely the more robust team interactions from 3 (even if that means having a smaller ground crew) along with the obvious mechanical improvements (power combos, more streamlined gameplay, keep the ME3 Paragon and Renegade system instead of ditching it like they did in Andromeda, go back to a class system but expand a bit on bonus powers, maybe give each class a pool of powers they can pick from instead of having the standard list for each class so you can, for example, have an infiltrator with cryoblast but not one with pull).
Also, just expand on the engineer class prompt. Give each class something they can do in specific story moments to help make the class selection feel like more than just a gameplay thing. If my Shep is a biotic I want the game to acknowledge that fact.
>If they take inspiration from 2, I hope they fix its issues while also incorporating the improvements the other games made.
Yes, I too hope that ME4 is competently made.
>Shepard has experienced brain death, re entry and his corpse being eaten by parasites twice
>motherfrickers keep raising him from the dead
Imagine your own friends refusing to let you die...
I don't know man, I recently discovered a lump on my testicle and I would love the possibility to die and be revived in a new healthy body.
If we get a Batarian teammate I hope I can be extremely racists towards it.
I played it with Italian vo and their voices were really kino, even though they had to change tali's at one point. anyway if it's anything like that in English, just the VA's may have carried the characters.
A lot of people like both of their voice directions, yeah. Granted Tali has the benefit of having a cute accent.
She should be barefoot
Needs to be barefoot though. Also I hate when they give her purple skin.
Her mass is affecting my dick if you get what I'm saying.
Is this too much mass?
I'll never understand macrogays that focus solely on destruction.
>You know what would really make this girl hot? If she was a kaiju...
I don't care much for destruction. I'd rather be stepped on by Tali after being shrunk or have her drop me in her boot or something.
I think as far as full-body suits go, that's as close to barefoot as it gets.
How hairy is Tali's pussy?
It's actually a bald slit, quarians don't need pubic hair for pheromones because they catch the pheromones with their asses.
Even male quarians.
Quarians evolved to carry the seeds and pollen of plantlife on Rannoch because there are no insects there. Anything that those things can cling onto would have been an advantage in that symbiotic relationship. If there's one thing that quarians aren't down there, it's bald.
The seeds were pathogenic, not physical.
Do you even know what those words mean?
I'm not quite sure how to describe something as "larger than would be imbibed by the blood stream but small enough to be passively carried by a human-like creature"
Where did you even get this idea from?
From the Quarians, dumbass. That phrase is a substitute for "physical" not "pathogenic". Their immune systems evolved to be symbiotic with the plantlife rather than the seeds just catching on their hair.
I don't think you understood what was told to you and you are confusing different concepts. Viruses and microbes on Rannoch were typically beneficial to quarians and so didn't harm them and they had weak immune systems. On top of that they were essentially pollinators, which can be implied to mean any number of things including pollen catching in their hair or on their skin ect.
Sperm fertilizes human eggs, making up half the genetic code for a human and it's smaller than a blood cell. There's no reason to think a plant's pollen needs to be any larger that something that can enter your bloodstream like a pathogen.
Okay, but that's fan fiction and speculation at this point. How are quarians going to spread the seeds in this manner? Pee and poop? The sprouts grow out of their heads? Come on.
The "typically beneficial" microbes and viruses were part of the symbiotic ecosystem between plants and presumably all animals on Rannoch. How they achieved spreading them is a different question all together.
>Pee and poop?
Probably. A lot of seeds rely on birds to not be able to digest the seeds and shit them out somewhere else.
Do you suspect then that quarians have a culture of just shitting when and wherever they feel like?
It's more of a possibility than a definite "this is what they do".
Well, canonically we know Tali can pee and poop whenever she wants and probably does it all the time. We can speculate then that once free of their suits they will probably regularly shit in their own gardens and backyards and anyone elses. Public parks are probably public bathrooms too.
>Tali visits you at your home
>When she leaves she steps off the foot path into your garden, drops her pants, and takes a shit.
>Leaves
Quarians are Indian?
It looks that way. Find a flaw in my theory if we accept Anon's analysis of their biology.
Everybody has generic lines they can say on N7 missions you dumbass.
You just stated that nobody spoke
We were talking about certain loyalty missions and DLC's. Yes, characters do have generic lines they will use in some N7 missions but that's not the same as like, Garrus saying that shooting up a hospital is not as fun as shooting up a mall. You know? It's not the same thing.
Here is what I mean. What I mean is, is this. I mean that for plot missions and recruitment missions and (some) loyalty missions squadmates have special character-specific dialog written JUST FOR THAT MISSION. So I'm saying that in DLC's or N7 missions the characters DON'T have special dialog written JUST FOR THAT MISSION. They have nothing written at all for DLC's in ME1 and ME2 and in ME2 they don't have real dialog written for N7 missions either or even some of the loyalty missions. Instead they use generic dialog lines that have no real specific context.
I think you over estimate how much anyone cares over those details in a mission, in many cases it's just noise with a few rare gems.
You are definitely wrong. People complained about mute squadmates in ME2 and so in ME3 they were all given dialog even for DLC's.
For starters that was on the ME forums which were the nosiest mother frickers that were never happy. But they didn't really solve it by shrinking the squad as noted in
. For fricksakes you still get quite spells depending on your mix ups in 3. I don't think it's worth defending them when you see how they approach these issues or even better be like the Witcher team and learn when to listen to complaints and when not too.
>For starters that was on the ME forums which were the nosiest mother frickers
Well, I don't know what your angle here is and I don't really care. Um, you know, I think the characters having more to say in the game in general was a good thing. So I'm glad that happened. If you didn't like that then that's definitely something you didn't like and that so, yeah. Whatever. Bye.
Okay Renegade
>Well, I don't know what your angle here is and I don't really care
I think anon means the Bioware forms which were really entitled frickers. Any compliant for the game mechanics and play seem to start their. Shamus Young became the lighting rod for story critics later on though.
Okay.
>I think the characters having more to say in the game in general was a good thing.
Everyone is different but I like on the ship/back at camp more than on mission and I was no fan that most conversations on the ship with your squad was just toss away lines without even a camera change to the topic at hand.
>so, yeah. Whatever. Bye.
but you didn't leave
>I was no fan that most conversations on the ship with your squad was just toss away lines without even a camera change to the topic at hand.
Yeah, I didn't like that either.
No, I didn't leave but I think he did. You are definitely not him because you can communicate a thought coherently.
Personally, I don't understand why we couldn't have squadmates who chime in and react to the every mission and quest and also have actual conversations on the Normandy. It was kind of neat having them move around, but I prefer ME2's style. Instead of having the squad move around just have them talk to each other in the pre-mission and debrief scenes after major plot missions like in ME1.
ME2's approach is cool until you run out of dialogue for a given character, after which they just get stuck on their busy dialogue for the rest of the game. ME3 really benefited from its more linear story design letting the team give characters something to say at specific points instead of just each having a short independent thing. Also gave us more crew interaction which is always nice to see.
>ME2's approach is cool until you run out of dialogue for a given character, after which they just get stuck on their busy dialogue for the rest of the game. ME3 really benefited from its more linear story design letting the team give characters something to say at specific points
Well, there is no reason other than time and budget that they couldn't give all the characters new dialog after every mission. Zaeed and Kasumi actually do that, getting new comments after each main plot mission at least and their loyalty missions. Maybe some others? I don't recall.
>you seem to be really getting worked up that people in this thread have opinions
No, I get worked up over bad communicators. It's frustrating to try and figure out what someone is trying to say who can't properly express themselves.
>No, I get worked up over bad communicators. It's frustrating to try and figure out what someone is trying to say who can't properly express themselves.
Trust me we know
What post did I make that you had trouble understanding? Can you understand this post?
were they talking about you?
He implied.
you seem to be really getting worked up that people in this thread have opinions
>Personally, I don't understand why we couldn't have squadmates who chime in and react to the every mission and quest and also have actual conversations on the Normandy.
Like DA:O?
Bioware was that bad parent that desperately wanted their child's approval too much. Didn't like the Mako? We will get rid of it! Didn't like Planet scanning? We will get rid of it! That heat ammo gimmick was too much for you? Here, it's now like a normal shooter.
Really it's a fricking miracle grenades in any form survived all three titles.
>Mass Effect 3 just made storm a nonstop action
I knew the map design was in trouble when I noticed that
To be fair the heat sinks were added specifically because EA wanted to turn ME into a more standard cover shooter.
>Didn't like the Mako? We will get rid of it!
I miss the Mako, gave ME a sense of exploration that 2 and 3 lacked. Honestly going back to it the biggest issue wasn't even the Mako, it was the world design. Way too many cliffs that you need to navigate through, which the Mako simply wasn't designed for. In flat areas (like during story missions) the Mako felt fine.
Also the lack of ragdoll physics hurt future vehicles. The ME2 vehicle was really smooth to control more or less could have used some more fine tuning though but it was nowhere near as satisfying to blow shit up if you couldn't ragdoll shit with your missiles.
Planet scanning was just objectively shit though. Boring slog that felt like a waste of time, a piss poor replacement for Mako gameplay.
Never played Andromeda so I can't comment on its take on Mako gameplay.
basically this, the few that pay attention to that stuff just start picking the top lines for the quests, and for everyone you just pick your favs and go.
Are Quarians elves?
Fanart has to be the dumbest shit
wrex is so good they needed to nerf him out of the squad
They are the only two characters that stayed with your in all three games.
they had your back and dropped shit to come with you when others didn't.
Why couldn't we just get a Bladerunner-esque game set in Omega instead of Andromeda
Tali is the only fictional character I've ever legit fallen in love with. I'm still mad.
There are other good girls out there anon.
Just play more Japanese games.
Pretty sure if people had to choose between having Wrex and Legion in their squad but only with generic dialog over having Vega with all the attention he gets in the details, most would happily take Wrex and Legion. Hell I'd be bold enough to say it would apply to having a squad team of Shep, Wrex and Grunt through most of the game.
The amount of butthurt when it was discovered their was no Krogan squad member of any kind was massive and Bioware's damage control was awful for it but in a fun way
>but Vega is as good as any Krogan!
Drew, buddy, no one wants a CoD sidekick in a game about the end of the universe
>If they cut both the Vermire survivors, we could have gotten a Krogan and a bonus qt human girl if they really needed a waifu for normalgays
Fricking hell man.
Has anyone really liked the human teammates from ME1? Really the human members in general seem to be the least like of the series.
Ashley and Kaidan are both very well written and I do like them. Miranda has an interesting story in ME2. Jacob starts off strong but then falls off like a cliff. Never cared at all about Vega. I find his whole design grating.
Same for me
I dont mind Jacob and Kaiden not being over the top and just normal guys and I like Miranda's characters as well as Jack
Oh I forgot to mention Jack. She's really not a character that appeals to me too much but she has a good backstory. Visual design is a bit questionable.
Kaidan is very thoughtful written with an interesting moral lesson that is the center point of his story. Plus he does some world building for modern humanity in Mass Effect, like Ashley. He's a thinker interested in the galaxy as a whole and it's interesting to argue with him as a Renegade.
Kaidan is pretty well liked by most female players (shockingly, most women don't actually want to play lez shep, despite Bioware practically forcing you to be one in ME3), some guys defend him post-3 too.
Ashley has a following and is generally more well liked by the silent majority than Kaidan, but she also has a lot of outspoken haters thanks to a few cherry picked lines. Unlike Kaidan she probably gets worse from 1 to 3 instead of better, though. Loses a lot of her personality to accommodate people b***hing about her being "too racist".
I like both of them, but I'm really liking Ashley on my second playthrough. She's way more interesting than Liara is in Mass Effect 1.
well they are human so it isn't like you'll learn something interesting about the race like you would talking to a giant lizard or a rat in a suit.
Is it because I spent so much time listening to John Shepard's VA that I think there couldn't be a better voice for him? Or is this like a Adam Jensen/JC Denton level of memes carrying him?
Do I give a shit? No.
In both cases? Plebian taste.
ok but why is fem shepard so hot and the objective better choice?
The voice acting alone solidifies Maleshep as the canon and only choice.
i like the female voice acting though
>final post
Tali
>Wide hips
>Smart
>cares about her family
>covers herself unlike common prostitutes
Allah has delivered this opportunity into your life and any righteous man will choose her
These threads keep me from ever buying/playing the legendary edition so thanks for saving my time and money everyone
I bought it on sale and am enjoying it.
I own both the legendary edition and the older physical trilogy PC release. I only really bought legendary because it was on sale and it was unironically cheaper than buying all the DLC for the original releases (because the trilogy pack didn't fricking come with ME2 or 3 DLC for some reason).
Legendary Edition is honestly a pretty shitty remaster. Tons of glitches introduced, multiplayer cut from 3. I'd only suggest it if it's cheaper than grabbing the originals.
. . . are you seriously arguing that the removal of the multiplayer is a bad thing? LE is better in like every single way, other than censoring Miranda's ass. And I patched that back in.
If you think ME3 losing its multiplayer is a good thing, you never played ME3's multiplayer.
Still active to this day, and people rightfully refer to it as being one of the few good things about ME3.
>LE is better in like every single way
If you ignore all the graphical glitches, or Shepard suddenly deciding that he only wants to face one direction for minutes at a time, or insanely bad audio clipping, or falling through the ground, then sure.
>better graphics
>allows controller support in the first game
>fixes save import
>fixes drop rate
>removes xp penalty
>are you seriously arguing that the removal of the multiplayer is a bad thing?
For a few reason it was. It frick up the war room stuff and has now made it a slog if you want the last two endings and ultimately was the main showcasing of the game play. Most missions on ME3 were not made in mind of the mechanics which is why of the three it's the easiest to clear insanity on. Another thing to consider was it has been still successful to this day with even the PS3 and 360 version still keeping a sizable community playing.
Don't forget the weird ass solutions to some of the DLC, they make it you have to buy/farm DLC guns and armor but you can still give Liara the shadow broker DLC quest the very second you meet her? Just frick up priorities.
It's only really bad if you recall the originals well, then all the frick up shading, shadows, etc, will make you lose interest because nothing looks right.