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We absolutely did multiple times, you're just an illiterate homosexual.
Is this worth playing? Or should I just wait for the remake
WotL + Slowdown patch is usually agreed to be the best version for new players, makes the story more comprehensible if you're not a complete ESL.
It's very, very good.
Wotl patched is an easy solution for new players sure. I would argue that PS1+translation patch is better because of the sound effects but it's more esoteric to recommend.
>WotL + Slowdown patch is usually agreed to be the best version for new players
By morons that don't know any better, sure.
If you like this game you will probably enjoy Tactics Ogre which is a better game although both are really enjoyable.
TO is definitely better in some areas and definitely worse in others. I'd put them on par with one another
Worth playing both if you enjoyed either
It is absolutely worth playing. Tactics Ogre as well. Its all the same guy. Its by far the best Final Fantasy game and its not even mainline. This was during a time where a Squaresoft game was guaranteed to be a fricking banger. Sorry you missed the boat. Shouldve been born sooner.
Speak for yourself, I was alive when this game came out and could have played it on release. I just never bothered because I enjoyed Ogre Tactics instead and the golden days of PC gaming which absolutely shit on the console era of that time.
I want Matsuno to make another SRPG so bad
Play the OG then replay the psp version with patches, I still find the original translation to be better despite it being botched in some places and some of the added content on the psp to be unnecessary
It is. Play it with the WotL Tweak mod for QoL improvements: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/916/
Replayed WotL a few months ago. The story feels extremely rushed towards the end. Some jobs like bard are useless, while black mage and samurai are completely broken. It's no masterpiece.
>a masterpiece can't be flawed
It got so many things right the "first" time (Tactics ogre exists) that it's still the game of the genre.
I dunno man the story collapsing is as pretty damn big flaw
It's not perfect or very good. It's not irredeemable bullshit that ruins the game. I don't know what to tell you. Being a masterpiece is ultimately subjective.
>not very good
not the guy you're replying to, but that's just wrong. FFT's a great story, and there's a reason it's stuck in many fans' heads as among the best FF stories. It's sloppy, especially towards the end, but being sloppy isn't mutually exclusive with quality.
Not very good was only commenting on the ending.
Granted "ancient evil awakens"
is a pretty big copout for an otherwise good plot nuanced with political intrigue, but realistically how could the game have ended on a fitting climax? It's an interesting question.
Points 1 and 3 are skill issues, so I'll leave those, but I don't think you understood the story if you thought anyone other than Ramza and Delita (and Ovelia) were the most important story characters. I'm sorry if you felt Mustadio didn't get enough screen time. Each character has his role to play, he plays it, and he's brought into the fold.
>Points 1 and 3 are skill issues
More like you're coping that your childhood game isn't perfect. There's no actual strategizing in the game because of all the rng and how it hides the maps from you, and the fricked up boss fight has nothing to do with skill, either you're invincible or frick you, you die, better hope you leveled the right jobs.
Explain what bullshit you have to do to make it work then, because I don't believe you.
You equip your squires with the best +speed +phys dmg gear & powerful non-axe weapons
You walk up to the enemy
You hit the enemy until they die
When one of your guys die have one of your other guys use phoenix down
So what does Squire Ramza do against homosexual? Genuinely I forgot the dude's name, but what do you do when you can't have someone revive Ramza? homosexual will just two-shot Ramza so there's no room to heal then attack. Even if you try to raise speed a ton first instead of attacking, you'd be so preoccupied healing. Do you just pray he misses an attack at some point or something?
homosexual doesn't have enough movement to catch Ramza if you run away
Squires can equip crossbows
Ramza's unique squire job also has an infinitely stacking self-buff spell he can use to give himself 99 speed & damage
Wait nvm they can't equip crossbows but they can throw stones
Flaws are over-criticized
>Some jobs like bard are useless
*ahem*
MOVE +3
*uses MOVE +Infinite*
nothin personnel
*teleport fails*
>useless
It's best class to delevel physicial fighters.
you didn't unlock mathematician?
Was already at Altima by the time I unlocked it due to setting my casters up to get Iaido. Didn't use it due to the insane JP costs. There's no need to mention calculator since everyone knows how it breaks the game
man. you barely played the game.
Bro I've had a calculator solo the entire game before let me do something different jeez
what do you do with ramza?
Ninja for speed with Iaido, nothing interesting
Mostly used generics throughout the run
he was maxed out for me. I farmed moogles and bequeathed their XP. squire mathematician for me. I just yelled at everyone to boost their speed.. am I an evil heretic? I'd say so.
I probably put 500 hours into just fft and wotl alone..
I'll tell you right fricking dark knight mathematician is extremely broken. not counting Ramza
>It's no masterpiece
Frick off, hamsterson
Which is the reigning king?
1. FF Tactics
2. FFT WotL
3. Tactics Ogre
4. Honorable mention, Triangle Strategy
It definitely ain't fricking Tactics Ogre, which has barely any RPG mechanics and 99% of what you can do with your characters is a noob trap. That shit doesn't even remotely compare to FFT which is more freeform and generally lets you make overpowered demigods a la FFV if you understand the basic mechanics.
I'm actually ok with TO's classes. I can't stand how most maps have your melee units form a congo line to get into place to pull off their first attack 8 turns in during the 100th uphill battle.
Still a fun game but at least FFT solved that issue, while ruining other details.
Vandal Hearts 2
triangle strategy is dogshit anon, it has limited tactics and options due to stripped down to near 0 rpg mechanics cause the game was designed for an audience that doesn't exist.
people give it a pass cause its not complete horseshit like modern fe and has writing not filled with memes and marvel cringe quips, that's literally it.
it's a mediocre game unfortunately
you are my homie. though i like vh1 more, vh2s combat system is godlike though shame nobody else bothered to use it, simultaneous turns actually added a huge amount of strategy even if most of it was just manipulating the ai to do what you wanted
Super Robot Wars
fft and wotl are the same thing..no tactics 2 advanced, or vandal hearts on your list?
I told you at least once a year that it's the best FF game
we told you multiple times over 20 years. moron.
Why does everyone keep trying to sell me on Triangle Strategy as anything like FFT? Tactics Ogre Reborn is a better experience
I've tried to get into FFT multiple times but it always feels slow to me.
Like I know SRPGs aren't supposed to be fast paced but even simple battles feel like they drag on.
It's not that slow because it has way fewer random battles. Instead of fighting 3 enemies every random step you take, you fight 4-6 or more in one go in a longer fight. It has a similar speed of any older FF really. Emulation speed toggle helps a lot during battles too.
Sluggish menus and ui are a curse of the PS1 era
No doubt the best written game of all time
>morons praising Tactics Ogre when the story is absolute shit
Yikes!
what makes the story shit?
Because I said so
It’s the gameplay that’s shit. Tactics Ogre, Shadows of Valentia, Three Houses… games overpraised by storygays who don’t give a frick about good gameplay.
That's not FFXIII
>Why didn't you guys tell me that this is the best Final Fantasy?
We have. And we did in every one of these threads that gets made for the past few decades
Bravely Default is the best Final Fantasy. Only the first half, though.
Its not by any means.
>have to grind stupid random encounters to have enough JP to do anything with your jobs
>need a job guide or else you will spend well over a dozen hours grinding to discover new jobs
>can't see the map when choosing your units so you can't plan on who you should bring
>enemy stats get randomized so you really can't strategize at all
>sometimes that knight will just suddenly have range or maybe he'll have 25% more evasion
>even bosses can just randomly have like 100 less HP due to the random equipment they're wearing
>half the jobs suck ass and get invalidated by other jobs, literally just filler to force you to grind more for different jobs
>whenever a story character joins your party permanently they stop existing in the story
>40 hours into the game you can get trapped in an unwinnable boss fight with no way to back out, thus making you replay the entire game
>said boss is so fricking overtuned that you cannot win unless you have made yourself completely invincible and thus capable of steamrolling the last 20 hours of the game afterwards
I wanted to like this game, the graphics are beautiful, the music is great, the story is great, but good fricking lord is the gameplay absolute shit. I'm so happy that I never have to play through it again.
When I was a child I understood not to overwrite my save during a continuous battle just in case I'd get stuck. How is it possible for an adult to make this mistake? Stupidity? Is it arrogance?
There is no reason to think you'll suddenly get locked, the game has always provided you the opportunity to save after every battle, why the frick would a player suddenly think this moment is any different? Its cheap bullshit, and horrid game design.
Luckily for me Ramza happened to have access to the busted shit like MP damage and the one that regens MP when you move, so I made him basically invincible. I absolutely would have dropped the game for good if I got stuck there though.
>SRPG that actively prevents you from planning and forming a strategy for maps
>important story characters disappearing from the story the second they join your party
>save-destroying boss fight 2/3rds into the game
>nitpicking
These are not nitpicks by any stretch of the imagination.
>why the frick would a player suddenly think this moment is any different?
Because the game tells you it's different.
I'm so fricking sick of shitposting idiots on the internet. Pretending to be moronic isn't funny or interesting.
>Because the game tells you it's different.
Black person, no it fricking does not.
There is zero fricking excuse for that boss fight being designed the way it is, they do not tell you that your save will be locked up, they do not tell you that you need to have Ramza built to be unkillable before even going into that point.
You absolutely cannot defend it no matter how hard you try.
You started somewhat legit about grinding and a third of the way in it devolved into utter nonsense and nitpicking trivial details.
5/10.
I love games even more when they filter people like this
>bad design is good! haha filtered even though you beat it!
>don't read the manual which comes with the game
>don't watch the demo movie at the start menu which gives you a run down of each job
>don't read the in-game tutorials
>don't press the select button which tells you how to unlock the job
>IT'S BAD DESIGN!!!
i was able to get through this as a kid using just a single save file because i only had one memory card. just because you're a moron doesn't mean the rest of us are.
And I also got through the game on a single save file. Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension before you try to call others morons.
Mages are totally unviable late game because of their slow casting times. Physical damage is far more effective, and the best Samurai skills aren't the offensive ones, its the buff ones because the buffs are 100% accuracy on a radius around the Samurai with zero casting time.
Mage magic attack is such a huge asset they can be viable off their secondary moveset pretty easily and they can still nuke an elemental weakness
>Mages are totally unviable late game
>Physical damage is far more effective, and the best Samurai skills aren't the offensive ones
Have you even ever played that game?
Yes, and the mages start sucking dick after you're about halfway through the game.
Why would you ever use a mage and have to sit there for several turns, usually only hitting one target, maybe two if you're lucky, and it doesn't even kill the targets, when you can just slap dual wield on a physical class like Samurai and usually kill everything with a single combat? You could also put counter on your physical attacker and he'd then become a blender for enemies to walk into
Mages also don't get to use good armor and won't have a ton of HP. I don't get how you could ever think they are a good class later on. Summoners are a lot better than Black Mages for having a bigger AoE to work with, but its the same issue where a physical class just does better because you don't have to sit and wait and pray that the surrounding enemies didn't just all walk out of the AoE.
>Why would you ever use a mage
nta but because I like the sprites and I dont care about any minmax shit like you?
So why are you replying then? The conversation is about what's better.
I used a Geomancer the whole game cause she had my favorite design. Still made her a dual wielding menace which was a lot better than using her actual spells.
Geomancy is great, though most people see the damage and immediately think its shit. Truth is because of it's unique formula you need a very specific build for it.
>Yes, and the mages start sucking dick after you're about halfway through the game.
>have to sit there for several turns, usually only hitting one target, maybe two if you're lucky
I see you don't how to use arithmeticks
I don't know shit about that class because I only saw a group of them at one point late in the game and they did literally nothing to my team, which told me it wasn't even worth looking into, besides it'd also require me to do more JP grinding for them and I already had been grinding JP the whole game for well over a dozen hours.
Mainly I'm talking about the classes with Mage in their name being shit as well as summoner because the conversation started with Black Mages being claimed to be better than Samurais. Although I'll add that Geomancers are also shit because they're spells are pitifully weak for most of the game and the ailments side effects have extremely low chances of occurring.
>infinite health through mana shield
Which is of better use on physical classes because they don't need MP as a resource to attack.
Can all these abilities even fit on the same mage or do some occupy the same slots, because if you can't have all that as well as the mana walk or whatever to keep the shield up, the mages aren't worth it.
>there are fewer reaction abilities which affects them
What the enemy does with reactions late game doesn't matter at all, after Wiegraf your party should be basically unkillable anyways.
>because they don't need MP as a resource to attack.
Neither do good casters
Can they cast instantly, spend no MP, and use mana shield at the same time though? Also can you still select spells for the free cast if you have less MP than what's require to cast the spell?
samurais are shit....however, give their stuff to a black mage and you have el monster.
Nah, but you know what is shit though? Ninjas. Absolute meme of a job.
I expected something great because I heard good things about it, but god damn are they way too fricking squishy and the invisible skill barely helps cause they still need someone to heal back the 70% HP they just lost from a single attack, and they just get to sit and do nothing to contribute while they hide.
Only damn good thing about the class is taking dual wield and putting that on better classes.
About halfway through the game mages start getting instant cast and often free spells, infinite health through mana shield, and far higher damage per CT spent than physical attackers. Not to mention there are fewer reaction abilities which affects them.
>Mages are totally unviable late game because of their slow casting times.
hello no charge
>Mages are totally unviable late game because of their slow casting times.
This homie doesn't calculate
do Black folk count permanent yell?
did you pay final fantasy tactics? what are your favorite classes?
for me it's mathematics, and the dark knight on the psp
You don't need to grind but it should have been way easier to experiment with classes organically instead of looking up their multipliers and spell formulas on gamefaqs and then grubbing jp even if you didn't full blown random encounter grind
>You don't need to grind
I don't believe you. The only way I could see someone not having to grind is if they have a job guide, know exactly what to gun for to be broken, and just solo everything with Ramza.
If you tell me you just spam abilities in the story maps after beating things down to 1 unit, I've got news for you, that is still grinding.
Also I just remembered the whole brave and faith mechanic is fricking moronic as well, just extra bullshit fluff to have to grind so that your units aren't worthless. I remember faith being really atrocious, making buff spells a waste of a turn more often then not unless you grind everyone's faith up so the spell doesn't miss all the time!
A team of 5 squires with item is more than enough to clear the entire game without grinding or manipulating faith/brave at all
unironically git gud
Both monks and black mages/summoners will carry anyone through the first couple chapters as soon as you try them, without grinding. And even if you are running painful anti-meta shit like crossbow archer you can still sweat through the early game
It's a lot more true that almost all players will CHOOSE to grind because the variety is so enticing and a taste of power in the strong classes will make people want to fill them out. There is no arguing that fft tempts people into degenerate ginding and gives them a system that begs to be exploited where throwing a rock at your buddy's head is as rewarding as killing a mind flayer
Monk is okay, and the mages suffer from slow ass casting times. I feel like at times I was gimping myself by using the mages, and finally I dropped them altogether when Samurais proved to do everything they could but without casting times and without accuracy checks.
>don't read the manual which comes with the game
Says nothing about how to unlock the jobs
>don't watch the demo movie at the start menu which gives you a run down of each job
Also does not tell you how to unlock each job
>don't read the in-game tutorials
Literally does not tell you how to unlock jobs, nor do they tell you anything else I listed as a flaw with the game
>don't press the select button which tells you how to unlock the job
Only if you already have the job unlocked, moron. It existed so you know how to get everyone else there, but its all guesswork to get someone to unlock the job first. Some early ones make sense, later ones feel like the requirements were decided by throwing darts at a board.
>Only if you already have the job unlocked, moron.
What if you fight against them??????
You can only see job requirements in the party menu.
I never used samurai because the description said you could break their weapons by using their skills
I tried them out regardless, and when a katana finally did break, I just realized "okay so I just buy a few copies of each katana and I've basically got unlimited uses" whats even more broken about them too is that they use inventory katanas first instead of the ones they're holding, and on top of all that they can use the abilities of katanas that they aren't even equipped with. They are stupid busted.
Why discriminate between mages and samurai when you can just make a samurai wizard? All the samurai skills run off of MA and don't need to actually equip katanas anyway. Putting their skillset on an actual mage with an effective MA stat results in a much better unit.
Black mages fall off late because when your speed gets up to a certain point casting even level 1 spells starts seriously cutting into your actions, but they are insanely dominant in the early to midgame without jp grinding. They get perfect role equipment that gives magic power and elemental bonuses almost right away and nobody is competitive with their oneshot level damage for a long time
Brave and faith are cool for recruiting and giving variety in combat, but the methods for slowly grinding them from their recruit bases is horrible. If they wanted to let you manipulate them there should just be somewhat rare items that do it
Filtered
Finally a voice of reason after all these years
Not knowing everything ahead of time is part of the strategy. If you don't know or have access to the broken classes, you have to make a well rounded team that'll be useful for most situations. If you're any good at planning your team or understanding class and ability synergies, you should be able to breeze through it even against enemies that have semi-random stats and star signs. You can count the amount of fights where that shit changes the outcome of a battle on a single hand.
Not being able to see the maps just makes it feel like I'm playing FFV but on a grid so fights take ten times longer.
Making a well rounded team that can handle anything is like what you do in all the mainline FFs, you don't know what's ahead, so you just pick what sounds the best. It doesn't work when an SRPG tries to follow this same logic because SRPGs are supposed to be more in depth than normal turn based RPGs, in a SRPG you should be able to see the maps so you can think about who you should bring with you into the next fight, but instead in FFT you have to die first, and then when you change your team to accommodate what you saw, you get screwed again because now all the enemies have different stats and abilities. Whats the point of the game being designed like a SRPG when you're meant to just make your party generally unkillable like how anyone would in a normal turn based RPG?
Genuinely you could turn FFT into an ATB FF and virtually nothing would change about how you build your team.
Because it’s not Final Fantasy, it’s a spin off, moron.
I DID MOTHER FRICKER WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN?!
>we are supposed to believe Delita goes from a peasant to ruling everything.. b-because he just does okay?!
70% of the interesting plot in this game happens off screen, Ramzas job is basically collecting gay crystals and killing le evil brothers. Only chapter 1 and the first half of chapter 2 have strong storytelling
It's because Delita himself does basically nothing of note until he kills Goltanna. Until then he was just going along with the church's plan.
ramza is busy saving the world and getting no recognition. delita is busy manipulating politics to get what he wants. if ramza fails, delitas efforts are a waste of time because he's fricking dead along with the rest of the world, you are seeing the more important part of the story
Don't forget to play FFTA 1 and 2. They're not as serious and realistic but they're still fun time-killers. Esp on phone.
I wish FFT Archers could just not be bad
Has anyone produced an organic unwinnable Wiegraf save?
I bought this on mobile last year but true Final Fantasy fans weren't happy that I was planning on playing FF Tactics so I deleted it.
If you like FFT, Kingsvein just released the other day. It's the dev behind Voidspire Tactics and Horizon's Gate. A tight, focused campaign with FFT style jobs and really good exploration/environmental interaction. All your skills are usable outside of combat, and combat begins seamlessly from exploration, so you can set up traps etc. It uses small numbers for HP and damage, so every point matters. Also you can do stupid shit like fill your weapons with elemental magic and multi-attack to set off elemental interaction passives. Damage of an elemental type affects the terrain.
Rad Codex games have the best fricking engine.
Cool, so where's the mega.nz link to download it?
I purchased the game because I like what the dev makes. Felt bad after not doing that with his last game. It has sovl.
I wish we got a new Tactics game set in Ivalice bros...
>slow ass isometric games
>best anything
what do you guys think about FFTA2? im 120 missions in and im enjoying it immensely, the job system is fantastic and i fricking love the Bazaar mechanics. Master Monk A GOAT
I had like 50 hours in it but then quit because of autism over one of the story characters not having a unique class which forced me to have 2 of something.
Kek what story character?
Cid or Frimelda probably
Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I
I did though
We did homosexual, now draw your sword and get filtered.
Frick off Wiegraf
Give me a minute
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Triangle strategy is better
lol, lmao even
better than praising muh deep political narrative that just ends up in fighting god and the church. Also, class system slop doesn't immediately equal good gameplay.
Whatever gay, enjoy your VN
enjoy your reclass slop, bum
Its hardly a game, theres more reading than actual gameplay and the rpg mechanics are nonexistent. I bought this game expecting a true srpg successor but instead i got some game of thrones wannabe bullshit
you're upset you can't change your units into the best job and steamroll the game. You never cared about the actual tactics.
Nope, the game is just mid and youll have to deal with it
>battle music starts
I want to go back
Soon.
I miss this game.
it's fricked
Never noticed he’s wearing a thong.. but RAMZA is cool
>gengi thong
I stole that thong from elmdors female assassins
>extra cash
I totally sell useless gear
ramza is literally the strongest character in the final fantasy series
>108 speed
not enough...
Lorewise?
who am i kidding not even stat wise that is true. In the Lore he gets royally fricked by Noctis, and by Lightning he just becomes dust she killed the god of her world and created a new universe, she is on some Goku tier shit.
>yell
sorry wrong pic
kys
Does any game have a better Monk Class?
How is it better than ogre? Honest question.
it's a bit simpler, a bit faster with a better aesthetic. Ogre has too many disconnected systems and unfulfilling stats.
Also Ogre's job system sucks shit, there's no subjobs and generics dont get access to the cooler late game jobs.
and the card system is a shit, too.
the original ogre battle class system with gender locked classes is pure soul you philistine
pure original jon system
>job system
I only played SNES TO but level scaling (or rather how much difference just one or two levels could do for an attack) felt awful there, it's what I miss the least about that game.
>virtually EVERY major Final homosexualry has been ported to the Switch
>EXCEPT the Tactics series
IT'S NOT FAIR. IT'S NOT FRICKING FAIR.
I dont like the gameplay
you don't like customizing characters?
you'll never break down peoples CT, bravery, and faith with they attitude.
Draw your sword, Ramza
I don't know how to play this game without it looking like an upscaled mess
I have been. It's just a good ass game and my favorite of all time
when are we going to get another remaster again like TO reborn?
It's great, but can't have it as my best without exploration.
Because it's not. The best FF game is Vagrant Story.
>dat feel when somehow only Android/iOS ports got the new sprites and portraits
How in the hell?
I played it recently, I much preferred the writing to other FF games, and I like the job system and verticality of the maps, but it was so slow, and some levels felt awkward like the one where you have to defend Rafa, but at times she would die for me before I was able to act even once. I still preferred it to most FF games, I think the only one I might prefer, if you even count it as a FF game, is Bravely Default.
FFT ps1 sound effects are so orgasmic , shame that it got incredibly scuffed in the psp version , still have no idea why this game in particular had so many issues when it got ported
thats why you only play the ps1 version with some QoL patch and the psp cutscenes. Also ps1 translation is pure soul
I have only played this version of the game. Fun game but the jp grinding is too much for me.
Wotl tweak is so good and well thought out that without the qol improvements that tweak made other fft hacks feel like a complete slog in comparison. I was playing reach to the future fft mod and I couldn't get through it because it had no qol improvements whatsoever and none of the polish of tweaked , it's insane
>Recently found out that Final Fantasy Tactics had visual novels that you could obtain by getting certain artifacts in the game
Wtf this game might be the most passion i've ever seen in a final fantasy title
Wasn't that JP onry?
Someone translated all of it and re-added it back into the game , two hacks have the translated vn content , The lion war hack for ps1 tactics and the war of the lions tweaked mod for the psp
And they're not included with the NA release
Thank God they redid the shitty translation into shitty olde english instead of adding all the content.
Give me a quick rundown on the job system in FFT, which jobs are good and which ones are bad? Should I upgrade my black/white mages to other jobs or just keep them as black/white mages?
Do whatever you want they're all pretty good
>Dancer in eh
Nameless dance carries dancer into the good tier , it's very broken if you get the right statuses
True, but the randomness of it is very offputting. Usually you'll finish a battle before she can ever land an impactful debuff.
>Critical: Vanish
>Win
no dark knight?
How is Geomancer not the worst? it's the only truly bad class IMO as by the time you unlock it it's worse than every other option, and even pales in comparison to early classes like Black Mage.
>Have to unlock every ability or you risk being unable to even do anything depending on terrain
>Most abilities are just weaker versions of other magic spells, with the only upside being instant speed, but the downside of limited choice
>their learned support ability boosts PHYS attack, so you need to learn an actual support ability from another magic class like black mage
>movement abilities are narrow and kind of shit - you can move through water without penalty but only if it's not a swamp and it's not raining, or can...stop on lava, how many maps even have lava again?
Geomancy spells are low JP cost, 3-4 spells will cover almost the entire game. The spells have no charge time, no MP cost, are AoE, and inflict status effects. Their Support ability is necessary because the damage formula is MA+PA/2+1. Geomancer is not a caster class, its a physical class with a casting ability. It has good equipment options, great growths, and good SPD. Also it's cute.
Geomancer is always good in every game in my experience even FF5 and that was one of its worse version but its a class you end up dropping eventually, its too samey and non-versatile just deals pretty decent damage on certain environments. I used Geo a frick ton in FF3.
FFT has my favorite iteration of Geomancer, it can do almost everything. Its a fun class to use and almost every secondary A-Ability works with it. Again, its also cute. Here's a girl with low twintails wearing a big shirt, no pants, and swinging a big axe.
>by the time you unlock it it's worse than every other option
What do you think is better? A knight slowly approaching the front line with his 3 move, doing practically nothing for 2 or more turns.
OR
A geomancer pelting the enemy with AoE damaging debuff inflictors while sprinting at the enemy with 4 move, having hats & clothing available to boost attack and speed, and still having high physical damage when they get into melee range?
Based Black Mage finally mogging Summoner
Overpowered, like the Samurai
Jobs can be a completely different tier than their skillsets.
Calculators are so good it's basically a meme. I'm sure SE thought they balanced it by making it the slowest job but Calculate is way too much. For starters it has access to most magics outside of summoning. So if you invested into black mage, white mage, time mage, and oracle congratulations you have a grocery list of spells to choose from. The next thing is that all spells have no charge time. At all. But what truly breaks them is how their targeting works. Rather than selecting a point on the map and maybe a few adjacent tiles, calculators target via a few set parameters. CT, height, exp, and level. And by numbers, 2, 3, and a few others I'm forgetting. And this affects EVERY UNIT ON THE MAP. If you say "target everyone with a level divisible by 2" then every unit with an even numbered level will be targeted. By any spell. No questions asked. The biggest challenge is to not target your own allies but this barely counts as one. It's nothing to just change the parameters and turn the entire enemy team into frogs just because you can. Or buff/ heal your entire party in one go.
you can totally break the game if you know what you're doing
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wtf Ganker?
You haven't beaten FFT until you've put all your non-Ramza characters on AI control for the entire run.
shit I've been saying mathematician when I meant Arithmetician
just about to start this game for the first time
anything I should be aware of before diving in? I heard this game rivals System Shock 2 in how easily you can soft lock yourself at a certain point
You cannot soft lock yourself unless you're gaming journalist-tier stupid
Put everyone in Squire and get JP Boost as fast as you can. JP Boost increases the amount of JP you get, which not only allows you to buy skills for each job but also levels up jobs faster which unlocks more jobs for you to use. It speeds up the process of making your characters stronger
Look up a guide on how jobs are unlocked so you don't spend dozens of hours aimlessly grinding to hope you unlock a new one.
You can soft lock very easily in a boss fight late into the game, without outright telling you where the fight is, the only way I can tell you to avoid it is have two save slots, one used exclusively for saving on the world map and the other uses exclusively for saving after each story battle.
What games scratch the same itch as this game?
>good story
>good customisation
>not dogshit combat
Fell Seal Arbiter's Mark is very close but the story is very lame. Also Kingsveins story looks pretty meh and no waifus. Symphony of War good?
where the frick is the pc port
It's a Jobs system game, we shouldn't have had to tell you shit.
>ramza
>equip all + attack power items
>monk
>dual wield
lol
what's a good thing to pair with agrias' holy sword? i'm bored with geomancer and samurai shit.
Agrias is one of those characters that you can leave on her default job for the entire game and she'll still outperform nearly everyone else. Giving her other abilities is really something you do to frick around rather than for her actual benefit, since 90% of the time the better option is to use a Holy Sword move anyway.
>Why didn't you guys tell me that this is the best Final Fantasy?
Literally almost every tierlist made by anons that allow no mainline games have it at the top.
>20 minutes of spamming Accumulate to max level one job
Eh, it wasn't THAT bad
100 minutes* since you're doing it across 5 units
How come nobody makes this dumbass argument to claim any other game with a class changing system is bad???? Nobody is forcing you to grind
Because FFT combat is slow as frick, and you are forced to do grinding if you want to try and have any amount of fun with the game, and not just turn on auto-potion or do similar cheese and treat the whole thing like a movie.
>Forced to grind for jobs like dancer & bard but otherwise you get everything else fast
>They're the least fun and shittiest jobs in the game
Something ain't adding up here...
You don't get anything fast past the first 5-10 hours unless you're using a guide to know what you need to level and how much you need to level it in order to unlock more jobs.
Idk maybe I just ruined my experience because I refused to look up a guide and want to eqperience the game organically as a player back in the day would, and it ended up taking me like 70 hours to beat the damn thing.
Most non-autistics can figure out they'll unlock more attackers from the new attack class it's not that complicated
Except that's not how it works and you eventually hit a wall when using the new class and then have to do guesswork and level up random other classes that might unlock something
Samurai requiring monk is already kind of weird, but then they also require dragoon which requires thief
Ninjas requiring archer is kinda weird and then they also require fricking geomancer of all things
Dance requires the unit to be female and have geomancer and dragoon level 5
It just stops making sense and then you have to do the big grind to figure it out.
This game is so bizarre.
You struggle through the first 2/3rds of it and then you get to Chapter 4 and suddenly it's piss easy, and that's before you even get Orlandeu.
Wiegraf is the true final boss, everything after is basically just a movie to watch.
Any recs for games with similar story? I fricking loved the first half of FFT.
50% of indie 'JRPG inspired' games are obviously trying to copy FFT's story.
It's not.
We did. Like a thousand times.
We even told Barry.
>We even told Barry.
that fricker only loves 2 games:
FFXV
Forspoken
>Barry is seething about final fantasy 24/7
>hasn't beat the Ganker preferred FFs aka 6 + Tactics
he got no excuses emulators exist.
it's an amazing game but it being way too easy holds it back
trivializes everything