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It was most popular with male teens and college students. Don't think many kids got Dreamcasts for christmas.
Probably different from country to country, here the college student field was mostly occupied by PCs.
The Dreamcast sold best in NA by a good margin.
Yeah, that explains the dissonance. Only ever seen it in magazines.
I got a Dreamcast for Christmas with Shenmue, Jet Grind Radio, MAHVEL 2 and CvS1.
I convinced my sister to get her kids a Dreamcast for Christmas over a PS2 because it was cheaper and I could burn games for it. This was in 2002, I think.
Poor kids
That's one hell of a Christmas lineup, feel bad for kids who'll eventually get a PS5 with some flash in the pan movie game
I knew a girl with a dreamcast, I gotta say Sonic was really impressive. She had a pet tarantula also
Basically this. I was a junior in high school when the Dreamcast launched and most of my friend group got one. It was definitely popular among with that age demographic in the US but I can’t speak for other countries.
>It was most popular with male teens and college students
lol
He’s correct.
i know, his post just reminded me of that picture.
not him, but autism-san, most people will interpret greentext followed by "lol" as disagreement
what
I did when I was 11
I was in elementary school when Dreamcast came out and there was hype about it in my class. It didn't match N64 and Pokemon hype, but it was still there.
By the fall of 2000, hype about Dreamcast faded and hype for PS2 and the new Nintendo system took over.
You’re not old enough to remember N64 hype.
>n64 hype
I was in highschool when this came out. Me and my friends bought n64s and played a shitload of multiplayer but everyone was more hyped about pc and psx games by that time really.
I was 13 when the N64 launched and I’d say it was a pretty even split between PS1 and N64 kids at my school. I had one lonely Saturn friend so getting to play Virtua Fighter 2 and Bomberman at his place was pretty cool.
Hi there. 4 people in my family (including me) had a Dreamcast in 2000. I was pissed when they announced it was being discontinued, but that one year of owning it in its prime year was pretty fricking cool. You had to be there. I don't think it's the best console ever though.
It had the most successful launch of a console at the time.
Because it was, OP
>t. Shiturn contrarian
My grandfather and I were at blockbuster in like 2006 and they were renting out dreamcast games, neither of us knew what one was lol. We played ps2.
How young are you?
24
I'm 24 and I knew DAMN well wtf the Dreamcast was. Played a lot of Tony Hawk, Sonic and NHL 2K on that b***h when I was little.
You just a pleb and you always have been.
There really should be an age limit of 30 on this board
Late 30s and that's pushing it.
Do you not understand how many larping zoomers that would exclude?
>age limit
you mean prerequisite
Might as well just delete this board then. Keep gatekeeping retro games until there is no one else playing them.
>Might as well just delete this board then. Keep gatekeeping retro games until there is no one else playing them.
A man can dream
Man we have it really good here, 24 is probably well above the average age of a Ganker user.
I have two, original white and a black sega sports edition. Being able to burn games and play them without any modding what so ever made it great.
Because it was.
I got one "late"(2001) and i never thought it was the best system. It was like the Saturn to me. Fun arcade style games, but little else. And if you are not playing with friends, its even more of a dissapointment. Liked the games i played back in the day, but never had a "ohhh these were the games i was missing!" moment when looking through the library.
The only people who bought it were diehard Sega fans, so of course they already think it's the best console ever.
Like 150 million people bought a PS2 and I bet half of them didn't even care about video games.
>cheap as frick internet machine
>easy to pirate
>could play vcds
>rudimentary emulation was a nice novelty
it was amazing because it brought so many features into people's homes that probably didn't have an actual computer yet and had amazing graphics
pretty much this, and it was cool. dreamcast is one of the coolest consoles ever made.
Psychosis induced by the sudden hype-to-cancellation whiplash.
It’s not, but I do love it
It was good, but also everyone who owned it were in denial about sega dying and trying extra hard to convince themselves dreamcast was going to save sega.
"You had to be there" is the long and short of it. For me, the appeal was gaming online with bros, without DLC, microtransactions and forced advertisements everywhere.
>forced advertisments
>What is Sonic in PSO
kek
nobody played pso nerd
I played it online. My first character got hacked and turned into a NOL.
I don't say that but I wish I could. While I claim the PS2 is superior it doesn't deliver anything I personally prefer to the offerings on the DC (or even the GC).
Most likely cope.
I owned a Dreamcast since launch just to play SA1, but I could never find any game worth paying money for to own until SA2 came out. I basically only played with Chao in Sonic on the VMU in-between playing demo discs and Virtua Tennis.
I rented Code Veronica and hated it, and that's the only real big Dreamcast game I can remember off the top of my head.
Fun system that doesn't have any games. I forgot it existed the moment Gamecube ports of the Sonic games were released.
>that doesn't have any games
Crazy Taxi, Jsr, Shenmue, Tokyo Bus Guide, Pso, Capcom fighters. It had games on launch and every year it was alive.
As usual the sonicgay has awful taste.
>paying for Dreamcast games
homie all the games were free that one of the best parts.
Not at first.
They were free since long before zoomanon was born.
Dreamcast piracy is exaggerated by third worlders. Yes it was easy to download games and burn them to a CD-R, but that was well after it had already been discontinued.
>le third worlders
Rent free. The thing had literally next to no copy protection.
What country are you from?
You're both wrong, Dreamcast piracy fired up in mid-2000 with Utopia scene releases.
I’m not saying it was impossible, but it wasn’t widespread in 2000 considering most people outside of larger cities didn’t have high speed internet or high quality CD burners.
>but it wasn’t widespread in 2000
It absolutely was, everyone knew about the swap trick and CD burners were somewhat affordable at that point.
>everyone
Completely anecdotal bullshit.
We had the internet back then, skippy.
>We
I guarantee you that zoomer didn't have internet in his dads ballsack back then
Well kids, one relative of mine who had the drramcast used to come over to my house with it to play and had a bootdisc and also there were self bootdiscs.
And how old were you when your dad told you that story?
No fricking shit, but high speed internet that could quickly download Dreamcast games? Absolutely not. From 1998 to 2001, Dreamcast piracy wasn’t widespread in the countries that actually matter.
That's not how it worked.
Some netcafe owners were moonlighting as pirates, or their cafes were serving as gathering places for pirate groups. They distributed stuff over the net, and burned the first pirate copies. Said copies were then distributed to other folks who owned writers, who then sold their copies to the consumer.
You didn't just go "lel I'll just torrent and burn Grandia II".
>You didn't just go "lel I'll just torrent and burn Grandia II".
Exactly my point and the reason Dreamcast piracy wasn’t simple and easy until well after it was discontinued.
Yeah.... not really.
I was 15 in 1999 and a CD burner was a luxury item that you knew one or two people who had one until maybe 2002 when they got down to about $150 new. They weren't reliable either and would just up and die on you sometimes.
I got my Dreamcast burned CDs from a guy at school who sold them to me for $5 each. This was in spring 2001 iirc. Then I burned them myself in 2002 after I bought a burner.
Tangential: Dreamcast was my first home internet machine. I got a PC soon after but it was a while before I bought a 56k modem so my Dreamast was faster than the old 28.8 modem in my PC.
>but that was well after it had already been discontinued.
No, it wasn't.
Games were simple yet intensely fun, the art/graphics looked (and still look) amazing, and the ratio of good games was unseen. Absolute party machine also.
I don't rate it in the top 5 GOAT consoles, but it sure is in the top 3 coolest ones.
A lot of nostalgia. I enjoyed Dreamcast from 2000-2002 possibly more than I enjoyed any other system in its prime, and I think a lot of DC owners share that sentiment.
I also really loved early Xbox 360 (2005-2009) and the PSX but I wasn't playing those games when they were new.
Best Christmas of my childhood was when I received a Dreamcast and copies of NFL2K1 and Skies of Arcadia.
Dreamcast was incredible based for its time. The launch price was $199.99, absolutely unheard of for a major console.
It was basically the Saturn with much better games.
Really comfy games. Could spend a lot of time playing it.
The huge downside of Dreamcast is how faulty the hardware is. You were almost guaranteed to encounter one of these problems:
- laser dying
- power supply dying due to inner parts getting malformed because of internal heat
- controller board dying
I've got all three.
Lucky me, mine's a launch model and it's still tickin'.
I never had any of these problems
forgot fricking door not closing properly
I actually never heard of that one, interesting.
But also fricking sad. I can't think of any other console that have so many faulty parts
Not exactly a console, but the Sega CD was pretty low quality as well.
Original xbox is way worse
Every 360 ever made is dead.
Some anons will tell you there's still works, they're lying.
controller board died on mine. got 2 free working ones over the years though so its all good
I love the Dreamcast in the same way that I love Cannon Films; a majority of its output was weird, low-budget junk that also targets the pleasure centers of your brain.
>Charge n' Blast
>Blue Stinger
>Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
>Dynamite Cop!
>Carrier
>Heavy Metal: Geomatrix
It's bad, but it's my kind of bad.
I never heard of that much.
What made the Dreamcast great was is covered the lack of an FPU in Playstation, the lack of depth in N64 games due to the game paks, and the N64's blur due to low resolution and low texture cache.
It's the first true anti-aliased 3D console that was affordable, and not a PC.
>and the N64's blur due to low resolution and low texture cache.
DC had as much blur as the N64.
I never noticed it as much, especially when it allowed a VGA RGB hookup.
There were even threads here talking about how PS2 looked even more blury compared to Dreamcast, despite PS2 being better hardware overall.
The N64’s blur is due to anti aliasing
No, it was due to the bi-linear filtering.
Dreamcast has all the presentation to have good games and yet it has barely any.
the definition of style over substance. had all the edgy marketing and ads, looks decent enough, very "ambient" vibe, but the system itself is a piece of fricking dog shit. the early games were barely better looking than late N64 titles and they were quickly overtaken by PS2/GCN, the controller was a straight downgrade from the Saturn 3D pad and a complete joke compared to the DualShock and every 6th gen controller, the unit itself was loud as shit and the lasers go quickly, the online features were a joke in comparison to the cheapest PC of the era, the game library was 90% arcade and N64 ports in a time when arcade games and 5th gen games were on the way out, etc., etc. it's a console looked fondly upon by weird gen x guys who wear bandanas, listen to limp bizkit and godsmack, and own pitbulls. the thing sold less than the Saturn, that should tell you something. DC is one of the worst consoles ever made.
>the online features were a joke in comparison to the cheapest PC of the era,
shut up moron
they hated him because he told them the truth
You could not get the PC capabilities anywhere, for $199.
you weren't gonna get the latest tech for $200 in 1999 but you could absolutely get a PC that was a few years old for $200 and could play shit like doom/quake, download shit, surf the web, burn music, etc. I would take a windows 95 shitbox over a DC any fricking day of the week.
Yes, you could buy a used PC. But I doubt any good for $200 at that time.
Of course, if you were split on that, it would have been better to just wait and save on a PC, and not get a console.
Computers had no games compared to Dreamcast.
Generally I’d agree. PC gaming in the late 90s/early 00s took a big nosedive. Sure, FPS and RTS games were better on PC, but consoles inarguably dominated during the sixth gen.
>but consoles inarguably dominated during the first and second gen.
ftfy
Consoles were way more popular than PC gaming for the entirety of the sixth gen and most of the seventh. It really wasn’t until gen 8 that basically every big multiplat release started coming out on all platforms at the same time.
Fricking mustards gonna mustard, every time.
>you weren't gonna get the latest tech for $200 in 1999 but you could absolutely get a PC that was a few years old for $200 and could play shit like doom/quake, download shit, surf the web, burn music, etc
This is nonsense. You would have found next to nothing in this price range in 1999. PCs were significantly higher priced back then. I got my first PC in '99 and it was a low-mid tier Compaq that cost a little over a grand w/ monitor.
You could buy a used Pentium I machine for $200 in 1999.
Bought a new Pentium 3 700mhz with Nvidia Riva TNT2 video card in 2000 for 700 bongbux
>reading comprehension
you didn't own a PC, Jason
just a bunch of nonsense from a shitter that doesn't play fighting games
not an argument
>it's a console looked fondly upon by weird gen x guys who wear bandanas, listen to limp bizkit and godsmack, and own pitbulls.
What does this even mean?
There never was, or will be again, a console that had such a perfect mix of longer more in depth, but still gameplay focused games, and endlessly fun, action packed pick up and play games. You could spend all day playing Shenmue, Grandia 2, Code Veronica, or Soul Reaver, then your friends would come over and you could play NFL2K, Chuchu Rocket, MvC, Soulcal, or take turns on Tony Hawk or Crazy Taxi.
Plus other great games whose style both aesthetically and from a design standpoint just were never replicated. Jet Grind Radio, Seaman, Blue Stinger, MakenX. Plus a bunch of good shmups, arcade ports like Hydro Thunder, tons of great sports games and the best running and looking multiplats of the time. Just a perfect console, and the last real "video game" console.
That he's a teenager seething about a console and time he wasn't even alive for.
The GameCube is easily the second worst console right after the Saturn. Terrible 3rd party games that almost all had features or modes cut, awful controller that further crippled 3rd party releases, Nintendo's own games were all terrible and directly inferior to their N64 versions, and it's aesthetics and marketing we're an incredibly weird combination of Nintendo trying to be edgy and "cool" while also still trying to appease every 6 year old and soccer mom as being the safe kid friendly video game maker. Total disaster in every way.
t. wears a bandana and still has a gobsmack shirt from the early 2000s
I should get a perm, and a pink and blue striped shirt to be cool like you are now
I'm 31, i have a shaved head and I'm currently wearing a $5 t shirt from Walmart
>past the prime of his life
>bald and poor
>still seething about the fashion, musical taste, pet ownership, and console choice of the people who beat him up in school 20 years ago.
Sad! Many such a cases.
>even older and balder
>obsessed with a console that sold less than Saturn
lol
...hey don't be knocking godsmack now...
you mean the shitty AiC ripoff that denies being an AiC ripoff but named themselves after an AiC song and use the same fricking logo? hmm yeah frick them.
They don't sound like Alice in chains though. Alice is hard rock and godsmack is nu metal
>There never was, or will be again, a console that had such a perfect mix of longer more in depth, but still gameplay focused games, and endlessly fun, action packed pick up and play games.
>ps1
>gameplay focused games
Yes
Sony started the trend of cutscenes with gameplay that still going to this day.
False, also N64 games had more unskippable cutscenes
What gameplay focused and pick and play games does this have besides platformers and a few racing games? Twisted Metal and WWF SmackDown? When people talk about PS1 titles it's all children's platformers they played when they were 8, and jrpgs
>a console that had such a perfect mix of longer more in depth, but still gameplay focused games,
no platformers except 2 shitty sonic games and a port of rayman 2
Good. Platformers are garbage for 5 year olds
My PS2 is hooked up right next to my Dreamcast, but I never play it unless I want to play NBA Street or SSX because every other game is a 15+ hour long slow burn with the first 1-2 hours being boring monotonous tutorial levels
learn to read moron
>and the last real "video game" console.
pure delusion
>t never owned a ps2
>The GameCube is easily the second worst console right after the Saturn.
Snoy moron detected. GTFO homosexual.
The gamecube was way better than the fricking n64.
Only good n64 games:
Banjo Kazooie, Tooie
Bomberman 64 1&2
Castlevania Legacy of Darkness
Custom Robo 64
Diddy Racing
Extreme G 1&2
F zero X
Glover
Goemon 1 Mystic Ninja & Great Adventure
Hot Wheels Turbo
Hybrid Heaven
Jet Force Gemini
Last Legion UX
Mario 64
Mario Tennis
Ogre Battle 2
Paper Mario 1
Pilot Wings 64
Rayman 2
Rocket Robot
Sin Punishment 1
Star Fox 64
Star Soldier
Star Wars Rogue Squadron 1
Viewpoint 2064
Wave Race 64
Win Back
Wonder Project J2
Yoshi’s Story
Zelda Ocarina & Majora
Good gamecube games:
Baten Kaitos 1 & 2
Bloody Roar 3
Chaos Field
Dokapon Kingdom
Eternal Darkness
Far East of Eden 2 Remake
FF Crystal Chronicles
Fire Emblem 9 Path Radiance
F-Zero GX
Hunter The Reckoning
Ikaruga
Killer 7
Lord of Rings 2&3
Lost Kingdom 1&2
Luigi Mansion
Mario Strikers
Mario Sunshine
Mega Man Command Mission
Metal Gear Twin Snakes
Metroid Prime
Pac Man World 2
Paper Mario TTYD
Prince of Persia 1-3
Rayman 3
RE Code Veronica X, 4, Remake
Skies of Arcadia
Soul Calibur 2
Star Wars Rogue leader
S Wars R Squad 3 Rebel Strike
Tales 5 Symphonia
Timesplitters 2&3
Tomb Raider Legend
Viewtiful Joe 1&2
Worms 3D
XIII
xtreme G 3&4
Zelda Wind Waker & Twilight
How do you even know those games are good? There's no way you owned and 100% them. Diddy Kongbwas frickibg shit compared to Mario Kart 64 and mk64 was only good as a party game.
>There's no way you owned and 100% them
There's this thing called piracy, anon.
You don't have to 100% a game to consider it good.
>You don't have to 100% a game to know it's good
>we played a rom for 5mins and can now judge games better than those who owned them
DK racing isn't good. Hovercrafts, planes and almost all of the tracks are bland/awful. I would know I owned it and put it back in my collection after I beat it never to play it again over better games.
k
>put it back in my collection
Hahaha fricking zoomy manbaby showing what a fricking gay he is once again. We didn't have collections as kids we just had a bucket of bullshit from the used game store.
Is truly in-fricking-believable that your such a filthy fricking casual that you would display this much disbelief at someone playing 48 gamecube games over the span of 20 fricking years.
>I swear I really did play all those gamecube games that also happen to be ign's top 50 gc titles
How would those 2 things contradict eachother at all? Also, I've never bothered with IGN. Are you shocked my list of good gamecube games are the same games other people think are good, and not random contrarian shovelware? Absolute fricking idiot. Am i talking to an Ethiopian or something? Because you are fricking moronic.
>that other people think are good
>Mario Sunshine
Only zoomers think this is good as it's their first Mario game.
Galaxy was the zoomer childhood Mario game, not Sunshine.
Dk racing is better than mk64 you fricking gay.
And i just pirate everything you fricking moron.
You haven't played 90% of these and most of your GameCube list are the worst version of multiplat games you only played on a GameCube because you were a literal child.
I have played all of these you fricking zoom zoom its not even that big of a list how much of a fricking casual are you, Jesus fricking christ.
And how are the gamecube versions worse? PS2 always had the worst versions it was the weaker console.
>n64 babies confirmed to be homosexuals who only play 3 games then call it the best console ever without ever touching anything else
Go back to plebbit and post your ocarina tattoo you fricking homo
Because it was the most soulful console ever.
it was rare
i only knew one kid who had one
it was during the n64 era - i thought it was awesome and remember thinking the graphics were "wow really good!"
but as a poorgay i stopped asking for systems after the sega saturn - i got 2-3 games per year and would frequent rental stores to try new shit
Unlike the Neo Geo before it, the Dreamcast was the first home console to finally deliver 1:1 arcade graphics at an affordable price. The DC version of SoulCalibur far exceeded the arcade version in fact. While short-lived, the Dreamcast’s library also offered a lot of non-arcade stuff that looked better than any other system on the market at the time.
Soul Caliber on Dreamcast was peak 2000. Every other console lookedlike shit in comparison.
When computer shows were still a thing back around 2000-2002 the local monitor sales people just hooked a DC with Soul Calibur up to a VGA box and a splitter, people would just stop and stare
Biggest problem with Dreamcast and why hype died after the initial year was because there were no real immersive games to really have players keep playing them for months after release. Games were designed with an arcade philosophy, where in you breeze through them or play them in short bursts or in a group. Exceptions would be stuff like PSO, which was before everyone figured out online,and Shenmue, which just isn't as fun as Grand Theft Auto.
The Dreamcast was pretty well supported with a lot of multiplats that looked and ran better compared to the N64 or PlayStation. I think you’re somewhat underselling the non-arcade games in the library.
Not him but those are just multiplats, 5th gen ones at that. Aside from PSO and Shenmue, the entire library feels 5th gen in terms of depth. I personally like it because 1998-2002 was a kino time for gaming but I hardly consider Dreamcast a contemporary to the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox libraries. In practice it's more like a souped up PS1.
Hell even by 5th gen standards there were few, if any, Dreamcast games as immersive as recent 5th gen games. There was no Legend of Zelda OoT or FF7 for Dreamcast. Bleemcast MGS was actually a selling point for people.
>Legend of Zelda OoT
Soul Calibur is the OoT for Dreamcast. Different genres, but both considered masterpieces of their time. Soul Calbur for years was considered among the greatest video games ever made.
>Final Fantasy 7
Shenmue or Skies of Arcadia depending on how you look at it. I would lean towards Shenmue.
Grandia 2 as well. It’s pretty unfair to compare the PS1 to the Dreamcast considering the latter was only on the market for about two full years and some change.
Those are all good games, but they lack an immersive element that the two games mentioned have. Skies of Arcadia comes closest really. Soul Calibur shines as a multiplayer game, a fighting game against the AI has a platform has a limit after the player gets good enough. Shenmue is a fun experiment but requires a specific mentality to enjoy. Its not like the sandbox games post-GTA where you're more free. Shenmue by design is structured with rules that make it less fun for a lot of people.
Also keep in mind by 99 PS1 had a bunch of RPGs and other timesink games where as Dreamcast's RPG library was much smaller in comparison.
getting strong "you weren't there and don't understand the atmosphere of the times" vibes anon
This. That whole post reads like someone that was too young to experience the console when it was current and views everything in hindsight.
Anon, I was there, the first year of Dreamcast was full of hype, but there was no game with real staying power tot he extent there was on other consoles. People in 99/2000 were still talking about FF7, still taking about OoT, but discussion on dreamcast died fast.
Remember that people who are more into games as a hobby will always be more willing to really appreciate games than people who just play games more casually. There was no game that was making people say "You HAVE to buy a dreamcast for ___"
Is it anecdotal? Yes, but that's most of this board.
What country are you from? The Dreamcast was definitely most successful in North America.
The US. Like I said, Dreamcast's first year did go pretty well. But a lot of the hype I saw was over the graphics, not so much the gameplay. I actually got mine from a school administrator who's son was selling there's for the PS2. I love it, I still play it, but I completely get why it couldn't maintain the momentum based off its library.
>I completely get why it couldn't maintain the momentum based off its library.
The library wasn’t the main issue. The Dreamcast hardware was quickly outclassed by the ‘main’ sixth gen consoles and there’s no way it could’ve kept up past 2002 at best.
>The Dreamcast hardware was quickly outclassed by the ‘main’ sixth gen consoles and there’s no way it could’ve kept up past 2002 at best.
Ironically, it would have been better had they not fricked up the deal with 3dfx, and released the Voodoo version sooner (say, global launch early '98). Glide still was the main API for a lot of games, which would've made porting PC titles via WinCE easier. You could've had stuff like MW2: Mercenaries, or the accelerated version of MDK (the PS1 one was a blurry low-res pixelly mess). Heck, you could've even ported games like Myth: TFL, since the DC had full M+KB functionality.
I'd say the DC's single notable weakness was how tiny the memory card inside the VMU was. Sure, you had those 4X 3rd party ones, but you lost companion screen functionality.
I've seen people say Soul Reaver is the best Zelda-like on Dreamcast, and that game was also on PS1 (and PC). It's a decent game but yeah really nothing as grandiose as the ones you mentioned.
For all its flaws, Sonic Adventure was a good experience at the time.
Care to elaborate? I just wanna know your viewpoint.
The fifth generation was when I was 100% plugged into gaming and at the age of the core demographic. I owned an NES, SNES, N64, PS1 before I bought a Dreamcast (and bought a Saturn just a few months after my DC).
I played all the greatest hits of the fifth gen and when I bought my DC I had already cleared
Super Mario 64
Zelda: OoT
Resident Evil 2
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy VII and VIII
Armored Core
Gran Turismo
Mario Kart 64
Goldeneye
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Street Fighter Alpha 2 and 3 (ps1)
X-men vs SF and MSH vs SF (ps1)
Grandia
and several more.
When I got my DC on 9/9/99 along with Soul Calibur it felt like a huge leap. It felt like the leap from the SNES to the N64.
In terms of video game leaps
1. NES to SNES
2. SNES/Genesis to N64
3. PS1/N64 to Dreamcast
in terms of how big of a leap they felt at the time.
The Dreamcast felt "luxurious" as a console. The games always felt like they had a polish to them and lots of little bits you might not see elsewhere like the little 3d model of the VMU on the save screen of a game. Or lots and lots of unlockables, which were probably at their heights at the time.
In a way the Dreamcast felt like a Neo Geo 2. You were finally getting the arcade at home, except this time you could actually afford it and have it compared to the Neo Geo.
Later games like Crazy Taxi, Shenmue, Power Stone, Skies of Arcadia, Marvel vs Capcom 2, and Capcom vs SNK 1 had a specific "dreamcast/naomi soul" that is hard to put your finger on but instantly recognizable.
>In practice it's more like a souped up PS1.
I'm sorry but no. Just... no. It did not feel that way at all. I played hundreds of hours of Tekken 1/2/3/ on PS1. There was no comparison to Soul Calibur. I played hundreds of hours of the gimped X-men vs SF and MSH vs SF ports. There no comparison to Marvel vs Capcom 1 or 2.
I respect your take, guess I just feel differently because of the games I played (then and now).
Today I mostly use my Dreamcast to play 5th gen multiplats like Soul Reaver, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing, Toy Story 2, Rayman 2, THPS, Resident Evils, etc. Games that I actually played on PS1 back in the day.
And then the exclusive (at the time) Dreamcast titles like Sonic Adventure, Sword of the Berserk, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi don't feel as deep/grandiose as the games that defined PS2/Xbox/Gamecube for me like God of War, Ninja Gaiden, Metroid Prime, Halo, the GTAs, the Jak and Daxters, Ratchet and Clanks, Melee (let's face it it's better than Power Stone).
Granted, I am not an RPG guy so I accept I may be underestimating the greatness of Skies of Arcadia and Grandia 2 (I know PSO was a huge deal) as full-on 6th gen titles.
So I understand that it was a significant leap from PS1/N64. But sometimes I feel the same way going from Dreamcast software (1998-2001) to late Xbox/PS2 titles, just because of the games I end up playing today.
>Later games like Crazy Taxi, Shenmue, Power Stone, Skies of Arcadia, Marvel vs Capcom 2, and Capcom vs SNK 1 had a specific "dreamcast/naomi soul" that is hard to put your finger on but instantly recognizable.
Isn't it weird how when the same games later got ported to other consoles, they lost this unique feeling? Playing SoA on NGC, Crazy Taxi on PS2 or Shenmue on Xbox, it doesn't feel right. I know it's not rational but it's how I feel. They don't stand out or belong with these other libraries, but on DC they just all "fit" together.
Because they're developed around the engine for this console
Daytona wasn't that great though. neither was that jet set radio and some others
Jet Set Radio was great. I'd love to praise Daytona but the fricking pad controls were shocking.
I probably need to play it again. Probably thinking of that space channel game. Speed devils and the rally games were good. Always wanted to try spike cannon too
I completely disagree.
I was a freshman in HS when the DC came out in NA. I bought it on 9/9/99 with Soul Calibur. My 2nd favorite console release ever after the N64. It felt magical.
Over the next four years I knew four other people among my friends who owned Dreamcasts. They were not that rare in my mid-western part of the USA among my demographic. Much more common to see than a Saturn ever was.
The Dreamcast launch was truly something special. IMO no console launch since has had a day one lineup that even comes close. What did the Series S/X and PS5 even have at launch?
>What did the Series S/X and PS5 even have at launch?
>Series X
Literally nothing, Im not even joking
>PS5
The Demon Souls remake I think.
The bar for console launch line ups is so low nowadays.
I remember walking in some electronics store in the late 90s with my parents and they had entire stacks of dreamcast lining the walls / windows and no one was buying them, obviously.
Like another anon said, I think the Dreamcast was most popular with teens to 20-somethings. You were probably too young to care about it at the time.
It was the first console that genesis fanboys bought with their own money
I’m a total anomaly. I had a Game Gear, a SNES, the PS1, GBC and then the Dreamcast was my first ever console I bought with money from my part-time job.
Because it was.
The Dreamcast is one of those things you had to be there for, the sheer hype around the launch off it, the 9/9/99 thing, the amazing library, the actual arcade quality perfection since the DC used Naomi tech.
It had these super quirky and hyper japanese games to, pic related is one of my top 3 favorite games of all time, I was actually quite sad when I heard the creator if Illbleed had died so young.
This is probably the most overrated "underrated" console ever. Sure it got tragically axed and it was ahead of it's time in a lot of ways but most of the games aged like milk and people only love it because they can't take the nostalgia googles off. The gamecube was better as a console that deserved more recognition atleast most of the supposed best games are still actually great to play today.
>Story Time, homies
>Be me, 12
>White trash, divorced parents (yeah, no shit, I'm typing this here)
>Dad very uninvolved, (see white trash) works all the time, but feels guilty about neglecting responsibilities, aka "Have some money, kids".
>Every summer we are shuttled off to him to babysit us for 2 months. Deal he worked out with my mother, one failure to another
>Being socially maladroit: "What can I buy to distract these kids for 2 months as I don't want to form too solid a bond with them or have any real conversations.."
>"Well... a Dreamcast would be sweet"... I meekly suggest, also wanting to avoid having to get to know this man.
>One day later, "Offspring blaring while flying through San fran in a taxi, Beating the shit out of my brother in Soul Calibre, getting to hang with neighbourhood kids having a blast playing power stone, staying up late with code veronica...
>That Dreamcast was a perfect summer that shouldn't have happened. An oasis situated in a swamp god through me into. I will always look fondly on Sega, and for a time when console/game makers gave shit an honest go.
>2022-1999=23
>23+12=35
A-Anon....
It's time to forgive them
You sound too bitter.
dreamcast is a turd. Games are basically mobile phone tier of time wasters with very little story telling and content. You can shut off a dreamcast game after 10 min knowing you have seen everything the game has to offer. Its the worst 6th gen console by far and I would not be suprised if dreamcast owners at the time traded in their dreamcast for even n64
this is your brain on the nintendo cult
he's right. I'm a segagay and even I don't like the dreamcast all that much.
I'm a nintendogay and I don't like any of the nintendo consoles that much.
then why are you a nintendogay?
why are you a segagay?
because I like sega games? because the saturn and the genesis are some of my favorite consoles of all time? seriously what exactly is it you're trying to suggest here, that you can't be a "true" fan of a company if you don't unconditionally love each and every little thing they've ever made?
literally only nintendrones have this mindset, you must not have been lying.
I'm a sega fan and like the dreamcast but can't deny it's incomplete. It's about tied with the sms but feels even less well rounded.
Nintendo games aren't typically story heavy, that's Sony
>I've never played a game made before 2005 on anything but an emulator: the post
Bangai-O
Border Down
Black/Matrix AD (untranslated)
Cannon Spike
Carrier
Chaos Field
Cyber Troopers Virtual On
D2
DOA 2
Dolphin Blue
Dynamite Cop
Elemental Gimmick Gear
Frame Gride
Grandia 2
Gundam Side Story
Gunlord
Heavy Metal Geomatrix
House of the dead 2
Ikaruga
Jet Grind Radio
Kenju
Mars Matrix
Maken X
MvC 2 house Remix
Napple Tale
Power Stone
Power Stone 2
Psyvariar 2
Rainbow Cotton
Rayman 2
Resident Evil Code Veronica X
Rez
Soul Calibur 1
Sturmwind
Super Magnetic Neo
Sword of Berserk
Time Stalkers
Trizeal
Virtua Fighter 3tb
Wetrix
Zombie Revenge
>all those ports and shovelware
You can say this about every system.
At least the big 3 have good games for their system and no one else's. Fricking Sonic? Shenmue? Seamen? Frick odd Sega blowers.
Lol Xbox has no fricking games Bro. It's for fricking Ns who can't figure out PC
There are no such things as absolutes. I never take people who say "_________ is the best ________ ever" seriously and tell them to frick off.
I do love my dreamcast though.
Because they liked it.
What's so bad about the cable coming out the bottom anyway?
it can touch your penis
AVGN is moronic, never heard anyone have a problem with it until the more recent internet age where everyone has a problem with everything.
AVGN is a dumb cuck but I don't know why your Aspergers brain interpreted that video as him having an issue with the cord, he was clearly just demonstrating a little-known use for the underside notch.
Everything when you exist to complain about shit.
Nothing when you're actually gaming.
Its really brilliant design that gives the cord some slack when players turn it impulsively.
It's pretty dumb to have the cable coming out in the opposite direction it's leading to 100% of the time, it's just wasted length on the cable.
That said it's not really a proplem in terms of functionality on a dreamcast controller. It's way worse on something like the Nintendo Switch where the dumb port on the bottom makes it impossible to charge in portable mode without buying a stand for it.
I owned two Dreamcast consoles. And i can tell you its mediocre through and through. The PSU is unreliable AF and prone to failure. The controller is one of the very worst. My laser died last month just like that. The whole hardware was rushed and cheap. And thats where the dreamcast fanboys come in. A lot of the peepz who swear that the dreamcast is the best console ever, they only bought it back then because it was dirt cheap at $199. They had never owned a sega console prior. And lets be honest the dreamcast was a big step up from the shitty playstation. But yeah, not segas greatest system. And definitely weaker than a sega model 3 board.
There have been exactly zero Dreamcast fans in this thread who praised the durability of the system hardware.
I've owned about five dreamcasts (more if I count ones I bought and resold within a few days). Replaced the laser in two of them, one PSU, and blown the controller board in four of them.
I still love the system.
did you insert controllers after the system started?
I blew the first one with a Dreamcast Astro Pad and a MAS stick plugged in at the same time. These two controllers do not like each other at all, I learned later.
I blew the 2nd one plugging in an Astro pad with three other controllers, one of which was a Mad Catz controller, I guess that doesn't work very well either.
Another blew randomly for seemingly no reason.
The last one blew when I plugged in another 3rd party controller that probably had the same shitty PCB as the astro pad in a different casing at the same time as my Mad Catz pad. This was actually one of my friend's Dreamcasts.
yeah but did you plug them in while the console was running?
Yes. Don't know if it was every time but I recall it happening while the system was on at least once.
You weren't supposed to plug in peripherals while the system was running. Doing so caused overvoltage, which led to blown circuitry.
That's some shit design.
yes, unfortunately, but with the VMU the power draw is extra which can blow the fuse in it if you plug it in while powered
Cost cutting. The ports were energized directly via the controller board and lacked buffering capacitors to protect against eddy currents.
My 2nd hand console didn't come with manuals, but I suspect there was a warning against plugging or removing peripherals while the console was powered on.
>I still love the system.
On paper its ok. In reality the hardware is just too fricking fickle.
It's hard to appreciate maybe now that most of the major games have been ported to other consoles, but it was full of amazing games. And nothing beat playing PSO with your bros online.
So I ended up with one of these.
Mine only has the power cord and a controller, but without the little lcd attachment to it.
It turns on and the fan seems to work, but I took a random disk off my shelf to see if it would spin and it didn't.
Do I have to have it plugged in fully, like to a screen, and with an actual game disk, or is this a safe assumption the disk spinner doesn't spin?
It needs a dreamcast disc/audio CD or it will stop spinning almost immediately after start up.
thank you fren, I put an actual CD in and it spun!
now I'm not as wary about buying some of the other accessories for it.
It wasn't the best but it was the last good console after style over substance began killing the industry in the mid-90s. Even Sega started going to shit with the Sonic Adventure games but to counter it was tons of good, traditional arcade and straightforward games for it.
XBox/PS2/GC/early 2000s PC killed gaming completely.
Nah GC was amazing.
Because they hated someone that owned a PlayStation
I ve seen more saturn than dreamcast in my 37 years
Dreamcast was supposed to get a Half-Life port, but how would that have played when the controller only has one analog stick
Beta builds leaked, so you can try it yourself.
It's awkward to control, the framerate is bad, loading screens are long and frequent, and save files are very large and annoyingly inconsistent in size.
PS2 version is much more playable.
i owned on Quake 3 with this, for a whole summer
... and then you sold it to buy your first buttplug because you knew youd get filtered by Q3 PC
Keyboards dont have analog controls either anon.
Dreamcast was nothing but hype from Sega fans.
Shitty controller
Shitty games
Shitty chip set
Super loud
I called out the Dreamcast kids in Highschool. I still do it here. It was the worse system of its generation. Even the new Xbox mogged it.
Dreamcast is awesome what's wrong with you?
Best console ever? No
Best gaming-related memories attached to it? Absolutely.
Best ever? No, but considering I laid 99 for it and got years of nearly daily use out of it, it was damn good
Dreamcast still has the best spawn game
It had some of the best and most fun games ever made for any console (even by today's standards):
Grandia II (Best version by far was on DC)
Skies of Arcadia
Shenmue
Power Stone 1 & 2
RE Code Veronica
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2
Elemental Gimmick Gear
Marvel vs Capcom 1 & 2
SEGA Bass Fishing (great fishing game)
Quake III: Arena (online)
Phantasy Star Online
Seaman
Sword of the Berserk
Half-Life
Soul Reaver
Shadowman
Alien Front Online
Daytona USA
Star Lancer (online)
Virtual Tennis (online)
Airforce Delta (possibly the best jet fighter simulator ever)
Gauntlet Legends
And a ton of other games that are still tons of fun to go back and play from time to time.
You forgot
Samba De Amigo
Sega Swirl
MDK 2
Super Street Fighter II X
SOUL CALIBUR
Space Channel 5
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Ikaruga
Dead or Alive 2
Toy Commander
Gundam Side Story 0079
and many more!
Indeed there is also
The House of the Dead 2
Project Justice
Vampire Chronicle
Mars Matrix
NBA 2k
NFL 2k
Crazy Taxi 1 and 2
Capcom vs SNK 1 and 2
The King of Fighters 98 and 2002
Shenmue II
It was the last console to focus mostly on Arcade ports, now consoles focus mostly on PC ports.
Nah, the GameCube did that also
Ironically due to SEGA
I think the Xbox got more original Sega games though? The GC and PS2 mostly just got Dreamcast ports. Xbox got actual sequels to Jet Set Radio, Panzer Dragoon and Crazy Taxi.
I’m talking more arcade like games from sega like super monkey ball and f-zero and the fact that GC has an arcade counterpart
Lifelong Pirate chad here. I consider dreamcast and gamecube to be about equal. PS2 is king as far as library goes, and Xbox fricking sucks and only has a couple good exclusives ("also on pc" isn't a fricking exclusive, never was).
Threadly reminder that, with the Dreamcast, SoJ pulled one final act of moronation, which would ultimately doom both Sega and 3dfx.
Reminder that Sega was principally an arcade company and that their console division was a happy accidental success one time so they ran with it for a while but when it was over it was not really a biggie.
It was a biggie when the arcade industry was collapsing and the rest of the console industry was booming.
This. The arcade industry imploded and Sega ended up relying exclusively on bored lower-middle class sarariimen wasting their wages on flashing lights and metal balls. From 3 business pillars they ended up with a single wobbly one.
one of the british DC magazines did that 24 hour Le Mans for the full 24 hours
Why did you personally discuss this with everyone who owned one and convince them to say they claim that?
its like how everyone says Downies are lovely people, expectations are lowered because of how short/tragic life was.
People who loved the Dreamcast are ppl that worked and bought for the first time. There’s a different sense of pride when people earned the system.
That was my case.
True for me as well, but the Dreamcast also legitimately delivered. The 9/9/99 day one launch lineup was incredible and I put more than enough hours into Sonic Adventure, SoulCalibur, Power Stone and NFL 2K to justify it alone. I got plenty of use out of my Dreamcast up until I bought a GameCube in 2002.
>NFL 2K
I didn't even like watching football and I liked that game. It was prsolid as hell. I remember setting up 2k1 to simulate the super bowl before it happened and it was remarkably close to how it actually played out.
Nfl blitz was where it was at. Greenbay. And I've never even watched a game in my life.
cause it captured that hopeful vibe of 1999-2001 America, which can never be recreated.
I didn't even own one and yet i love the colors and style. I do play PSO Ephinia sometimes, simply for that reason
Arcade at home without paying Neo-Geo prices. That's why I loved mine.
Because for a brief shining moment it was. And they were there man.
I was there... Man. The future was bright but we flew too close to the sun.
Anyway, shit posting aside, what emulator can I use to play online with my phone?
it was good, but not neo geo good.
The Dreamcast easily has a better variety of games than the Neo. Also has better fighting games since it has ports of the best ones from the Neo.
This. The Neo Geo by nature was solely supported by SNK’s games. The Dreamcast got the best arcade stuff from Sega, Capcom and SNK. The Neo Geo AES is a cool novelty since most of us have never seen one in person, but the Dreamcast beats it hands down.
Dreamcast had so many good multiplayer games.
It was the first of the last gen of actual game consoles. Not tailored "experiences".
because they all got it for 50 bucks with a dozen games which was massively better value than you could've gotten anywhere else at the time. dreamcast isn't a top-5 console of all time, but it's far and away the greatest BUDGET console ever created. there are no other serious contenders for that title.
Got mine on 9/9/99 and it was still a good value at only $200. You’re right though, it was an incredible deal at only $50 around 2002.
Xbox Series S
I didn't have a dreamcast until well after they were discontinued. But I have to say it was a really cool console with some pretty good exclusives. I think it deserved to be more successful than it was.
If you can't find any good games to play on the Dreamcast you probably suck at actual video games.
>have GDEMU 5.20.3 I bought for $100 before the prince increases
>haven't played it since I need to desolder that one 12V "regulator" to avoid killing my Dreamcast
Shit sucks since I was going to get a Pinecil, but those have been sold out now for months.
Side-note: Will a GDEMU work in a Japanese Dreamcast? I want to get a back up Dreamcast without having to spend $80+ on the unit alone.
I bet pirating a game for the Dreamcast and then playing it online with someone else must have felt pretty incredible at the time of its release.
I'm too young to have gotten to play it at launch but enjoyed using one in the 2010s. I kinda regret selling mine.
Because their parents bought them one instead of a PS2 and they were stuck with it.
it just had a different vibe to it. It felt like the coolest console ever even though I only had 3 games for it, and one of them was sonic adventure
It had plenty of good games, none of which featured sonic.
I know, Spider-Man was my favourite
It's a bit hard to explain, but for me it represented a truly high-tech leap forward while having its own product identity (Sega summer/arcade fun).
I had no attachment to Sega, I grew up loyal to Nintendo, and spent a lot more hours on Sony consoles. Yet...
The experience of booting up your DC, the cohesive "vibe" of the library, the zeitgest it was released in, the object itself... were so fresh.
They released a 128 gen console way early, when gen jumps were extremely meaningful after the 2D-3D shift. It was futuristic! The object itself was powerful, the VMU, the online capabilities (Quake 3, PS:O).
There's this very unique dreamy 3D Sega aesthetics that they really pushed on their arcade machines at the time, bright colors, bright blue skies contrasted with strong yellows, accompanied by catchy music, etc. that makes beach or city settings look so idealized and iconic, fresh and summery, and thus the console inherited this vibe. Visuals of Sonic Adventure, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, SC5, you know what I mean.
At the same time, it had ambitious experiences like Shenmue, SoA. Shenmue was the kind of game you dreamed about, groundbreaking.
I think there's something about it that's so uniquely Japanese, the gimmicks around the console reflected how Japanese developers were generally more experimental and wackier. That even reflects in the shape, mostly squarish (serious tech) but still roundy finishes (fun games).
It coincided with this unique moment in time when 56k internet started blowing up, when a lot of us began getting access to community forums or writing our own reviews. Discovering the early internet when everything was fresh and unique.
Afterwards, we got used to "it". "It" became "routine".
PS2 was this very sober, dark brick, main sellers games more dark and serious trying to capture a mature audience, they lost the simple fun of vidya in the process, being a play machine. It was more of a general entertainment product with DVDs, etc.
Nearly every first party game was great and arcade ports were so close to perfect and it was peak Sega Blue Skies era. Power Stone, Skies of Arcadia, Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, Sega Rally, MvC2 etc
I remember here in central America being amazed by it when it came out, I was inside an empty store and some 3D Sonic was on like in demo mode, no one was buying it but then again that was at like 9am. I would probably think of it being cheap plastic if I see it now but it looked sturdy and well made to my 16 year old eyes. I wanted one but it was like $400 dollars here if I remember correctly, it quickly went down but by then it was over and it was weird no one seemed to want it despite of being heavily talked about.
It is my 6th favorite console because it had a lot of games that I still love to this day. So many great memories experienced with friends. I do rank it over all the Sony and Microsoft consoles I have, primarily because they don't seem to have the same magic that made the Dreamcast special to me.
Is that the karaoke add-on?
It is. Karaoke is just a fun time paired with drinking alongside friends. Just have the portable stove on the table for some Korean BBQ paired with some soju and the festivities make for a great night.
It was the last big generational leap for me. The only thing that's impressed me as much as the opening level of SA1 with the orca since the release of the Dreamcast is the Dualsense in Astro's Playroom on the PS5. There was the huge graphical leap, the VMUs being used as a tamagotchi for your Chao, and then online gaming which was brand new for consoles. The best part is that it was right before online gaming truly took off outside of PC so games were designed to be played both locally with 4 players and online instead of one or the other.
That last one is what I really liked about the console. Want to play Chu Chu Rocket with people in person? It's a blast. Everyone is busy but you still want to play? Well you can go online and play multiplayer with other people instead. It really hit this satisfying middle ground that no other console has nailed for me, the PS2 was never a good local multiplayer machine and the Gamecube's online functionality was barely used. Everything after that has been mostly online focused instead.
Plus it was a way to view porn in your room. That was huge, not being tethered to the family computer and being able to do it in the luxury of your room felt like such a luxury. It was the best way to do it until the PSP came out and changed everything.
The drive died on mine recently. Do have a GDEMU that I need to get around to installing, but I enjoy physical games as well, so maybe I need to get a replacement.
everything dies, but emulators die last
>Why does everyone who owned one claim it was the best console ever?
In completely unrelated news, people who grow up greatly enjoying a particular product or service provided by a specific brand tend to look upon that brand fondly throughout their lifetime, often vastly over-inflating its relative value in comparison to other similar services or products.
This. The entire generation named after brand x doesn't exist.
could buy one right away, but I was in a video store when it came out. The owner was the only good and friendly man in my town, he chatted with a customer who was excited to have a brand new one waiting at home. The video store owner later died in a fiery wreck.
I bought one right at the same time I got home dialup internet. I used it to look at an American b***h with her breasts and fanny out, in the privacy of my room. Enjoyed most of the top games alone every night, no forums/videos/nostalgia, just pure fun, like having an arcade at home. Thanks for reading.
As someone who grew up with Sega, I remember really hoping it would do well, but not wanting to own one. Games like FF7 & MGS had pushed the dial towards involved, long-form story-driven blockbuster games, and with a few exceptions, it felt like all the Dreamcast really had was quick hit arcade ports.
Plus, the internet was really taking off by that point, so I saved up some weekend job money, bought a PC, and played Half Life, Unreal Tournament and Red Alert 2.
The Dreamcast dying coincided with a boom shops selling retro games in the UK. People were practically throwing them away. Again, as a Sega fan, I felt intensely guilty picking mine up practically new for £20, then getting SoA, MvC2 MvSNK and Powerstone 2 for £5 each, and Soul Calibre for 50p.
Basically, it's an amazing aesthetic experience and great short-term fun, but a bit shallow.
Oddly, I have mine in my front room, and whenever I have any tradesmen in to do work or repairs, they ALWAYS comment on the Dreamcast. Like, every single time.