Why is japanese so fucking hard bros?

Why is japanese so fucking hard bros?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know it sounds dumb but literally just read more

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the problem is that you need to know thousands of kanjis or you cant read anything in the first place

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the problem is that you need to know thousands of words or you cant read anything in the first place
        yeah no shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not even remotely the same as other languages. You learn words, sure, but unlike Japanese, you don't have to learn what words look like. You can sound out a word letter by letter and identify it phonetically. This is not possible with Kanji.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kanjis are made of radicals though, isn't that how they read it too? Don't speak much jap myself

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're either baiting or genuinely retarded. You can still read words even if you don't know them because the alphabet exists, you fucking moron

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you don't understand a word's meaning, it's functionally the same, regardless of whether or not you can pronounce what you're reading.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              shit bait and you're retarded

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          26 letters

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you need to learn words not kanji. You can learn a few each day, you just have to start

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you don't learn individual kanji, you learn the system that is kanji, the parts that make up the whole...once you've done that, everything falls into place and you can usually understand kanji you don't actually know

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how tf do i learn that stuff
            i'm tired of looking at kanjis and seeing nothing but random scribbles, i know there are radicals and ways to guess readings and meanings but i dont know where to start

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it's just memorisation of basic rules and patterns. if you know 忍 is read as nin, you will recognise it in 認, which guess what, is also read as nin. of course it doesn't always work, but you just need to immerse yourself in kanji and start paying attention to the patterns the same way you'd learn your times tables

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              one thing that could be helpful is learning the kangxi radicals, so when you split down 細胞 into individual parts you can form mnemonics or just visual recognition in your mind. Each learner is different, so it might not do any good for you at all and you're better off going straight into the core deck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/learning-kanji.html#learning-radicals

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            waste of time. actually just learn the words. radicals are for nerds with no life.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a few each day
          Damn at that rate it's only gonna take 10 years to get the very basics! Maybe I'll be able to read a newspaper by the time I'm 60!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you need to learn words not kanji. You can learn a few each day, you just have to start

        I've been testing methods for the past year and the most optimal / best approach I tried so far is:
        learn joyo kanji by usefulness level
        look up at least 3 words that include that individual kanji, write them on a notepad
        aim for 25 kanji a day, once you reach 100 spend the rest of the week revising them/previous ones that you can't recognise just by looking at them.
        this is coming from someone who tried anki(lol) and heisig's and I can safely tell you they're not worth it if you actually want to read japanese.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >kanji is hard
          it's just memorization. the hard part is recognizing words in katakana because you're literally reading broken english.

          how tf do i learn that stuff
          i'm tired of looking at kanjis and seeing nothing but random scribbles, i know there are radicals and ways to guess readings and meanings but i dont know where to start

          https://i.imgur.com/VDZBN2N.png

          Why is japanese so fucking hard bros?

          It's meant to be gaijin and Black proff, so if you truly respect their culture then quit batching and start devoting yourself to it and studying it.

          Just wanting to learn jap talk so you can fuck some Japanese bitch or read a Manga is ignorant shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it took me the past year to figure out gradual learning i could have just gotten from a japanese learning schoolbook

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I listened to ankibots when I started which was my biggest mistake

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              we don't call them ankidrones for nothing

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You want to be able to recognize whole worlds instead. 懐中電灯 looks really complicated, but it means flashlight. When I tried figuring it out kanji by kanji I struggled like a motherfucker, but now its easy for me. I recognize the two middle ones (within, electric power) almost instantly due to how common they are and my brain just "puts it together" in the same way I see a complicated English word and my brain just connects the dots without me thinking of each letter, their sound individually and finally how they sound combined

        But its complicated I'm 32 and have been studying for 6 years and I still have problems.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't, grab a grammar book and an online kanji dictionary.
        Next grab reading material, I picked VN's since it's ez to extract text for quick translation.
        Now carefully read and mine sentences, extract their full meaning using the combination of the grammar book and looking up whatever kanji comes up in your preferred dictionary.

        The process might be a bit slow in the beginning, however you make massive gains exponentially.
        When you complete one VN, the next one takes almost a fraction of the time you spend on the first one and the ones after will be so understandable, you won't even find yourself looking up anything but obscure phrases and yojijukugo that chuunishit tends to throw on the screen.
        Anki is a great method but please please start reading and consuming actual Japanese works, don't spend an eternity on isolated kanji study.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kanji's some fucked up shit

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >learn japanese
    >spend 90% of the time reading katakana english

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. It's literally like this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mind explaining why?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >trad: 鐵
    >simple: 铁
    mainland chads stay winning

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Simplified kanjis are fucking ugly.
      This is your brain on communism

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        get a better font holy shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, simp hanzi looks like those "AZN" fonts for the English alphabet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The trick into traditional is to separate it into little parts.
      For example, OP's 鐵 has 金, which is metal. 呈which looks like working on an anvil, and at last 戈 is armament. Put them together and you'll get 鐵(iron)

      >simple
      >go for the easy route of using a similar sound part and lose all the symbolism in the process.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      retard the radicals in the traditionals help you understand the meaning.

      simplified is only better for writing not for reading

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not being a ㄅㄆㄇㄈ chad

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why go out of your way to display the 旧字体 of 鉄? you are making japanese harder than it is

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Irrelevant.
      Japs some time don't even use joyo kanji or jinmeiyo for that matter.
      Pic very related

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >躊躇 is read chuucho
        >add a う(u) and it changes to tamerau
        Why are nips like this?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah sure I can pull out 蘊蓄 or 朦朧 but you hardly need these to learn japanese anymore than you need balderdash or gainsay to learn english

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >has 金 on the left
    >土 on the top+戈. a lot of characters do that (e.g. 載)
    >呈 is a kanji you should know
    Also that's the old form of 鉄. If you see it used at all these it's because nips are superstitious as fuck and want to avoid 失 (means loss). Also
    >he thinks moonrunes are the hardest part and not onomatopoeic/mimetic shit like ふらふら, きちんと, ばっちり, ぐっと, さらさら, etc.
    ngmi

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >kanji is hard
    it's just memorization. the hard part is recognizing words in katakana because you're literally reading broken english.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. God I hate trying to parse katakana loanwords, even worse when it's names in a fantasy manga or something.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can figure it out easily for the most part. It only throws me off if it's a non-English loan word.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the hard part is recognizing words in katakana because you're literally reading broken english.
      yeah pretty much this
      you have to actually sound them out like a jap in order to actually understand what borrowed word they're using

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This helped me

      Basically either all lines start from the left or from the top

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i had a sensible chuckle.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          shi looks up girls skirts
          tsu is a pretty cool guy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I always remembered it by SHI has a crooked face, TSU you gotta surf upright to ride the TSUnami waves

            Honestly I have more trouble with ソ and ン (and は and ほ for some reason).
            Also recognizing the little っ for double consonant sound fucks with me too.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you winning so n

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shi is lying down because he's dead (shi)
          Tsu is smiling because he likes you (Tsu(ki))

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he likes you
            This method doesn't work for me

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I like you anon!
              And you should like yourself too!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No you dno't

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem isn't reading the katakana for the most part. The problem really is just figuring out what they mean cause're basically playing an English telephone game with fucking Japanese people in the middle.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's best to try to disassociate the original english word and pretend it's a completely new one

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but if you encounter a new katakana word, you'd still have to look it up or try to figure it out yourself, which leads to the initial problem. Or you see it in the browser and hover over it with your Japanese reading aid extension like the little pleb you are.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Katakana is too fucking ugly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just
      BRO IT'S JUST MEMORISATION
      JUST REMEMBER
      JUST
      BRO IT'S SO EASY JUST REMEMBER
      JUST

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you have time to complain you have time to do reps. now go back to studying. or don't. pic related

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck. None of those are untrue. A-At least I'm training my brain's plasticity right?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That image is how I'm starting to feel about Japanese. Learning German and some other European languages would benefit me a thousand times more... Maybe I should switch

        >took the meme seriously
        wew, lad.

        [...]
        [...]
        >You will never be fluent
        I know a guy who went to japan to study the language. He hated the school and failed big time, just went outside partying with locals and shit all day. The guy spent so much time with local japanese people that he became fluent in speech after about 3 years living there. The guy can't read or write for shit, but he speak the language perfectly and is doing fine.
        If you have the will to do something you shouldn't give up on it.

        >he became fluent in speech after about 3 years living there.
        Good for him.
        >The guy can't read or write for shit
        How? I mean, holy shit, if I can remember the runes (I can't avoid autistically subvocalizing the parts in my head as I read. after about 2 years I can recall most of them), but not he words.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "knowing" the language and being able to speak it are two different things. this is the case for most ESLs across the world for example
          the only solution is to expose yourself to it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a serious meme. Uselessly learning a useless language to spend time uselessly playing previously unaccessible useless timewasters. It's only slightly more productive than playing vidya and browsing Ganker, but it's still useless.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            americans are a meme

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not American and I'm fluent in 3.1 languages.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I might just be a retard, but I like learning languages because they are fun.
            And compared to European languages with all the wishy and wavy mouth movements (apart from Finnish :DDD), Japanese is much more familiar to my mouth since I'm a turk, although pitch accents still sometimes filter me

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nice wig implant anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Uselessly learning a useless language
            I had to learn French in school. I have never gotten any mileage out of it. With nip, I can at least enjoy vidya.
            Besides, if we followed your argument to its logical conclusion, unprofitable hobbies like numismatics and philately wouldn't exist.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I also learned French in school, but it helped me make a girl spill her spaghetti once. A freshly arrived French girl said "il est mignon~" about me to her friends, to which I replied Thanks. Felt pretty smug. French can be great.
              I'm also into learning languages as a hobby, but I just came to terms with Japanese not being as useful. Most of the games I've wanted to play have been translated anyway

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Most of the games I've wanted to play have been translated anyway
                I used to think like that until one of these threads opened my eyes to the folly of chudlators.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                both of those are horrible

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God commie are the worst

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Needs a Funi version that complains about rape culture.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >chudlators
                I hate them so much. The Team Lifebottle Tales of Destiny community translation patch was a glorious project I was happy to shill everywhere, but turns out there's some new closed project now making their own version to it? Just why.
                These gays want to subvert and put their influence on anything.
                Though I think if you mastered Jap somewhat, instead of keeping things to yourself, you should at least contribute by translating scripts and such.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this is why I'm studying japanese as "a hobby". fuck chudlators for ruining most media

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is fake, right?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is fake, right?
                What do you mean? Have another.

                Most likely off-topic, but
                >be ESL
                >move away from home country
                >become more and more exposed to English
                >you start to think in English
                >you primarily speak in English
                >slowly start to forget your own tongue's vocab
                >have to look up on Google Translate for YOUR OWN WORDS
                It's fucking embarrassing. And I don't know what to do. Do I just pick up a book and try to keep it fresh?

                start to forget your own tongue's vocab
                This is one of my prime fears. The worst part is when you want to use words that exist in one language with no straightforward equivalent in the other (e.g. patronize, condescend, bizarre).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gunvolt fan here: absolutely not. The right-side is the original 3DS translation where they also completely removed all the dialogue you can have in your apartment with the girl Joule. There's a menu option "Talk to Joule" and it does fuck all, I legit thought my game was bugged until I looked it up.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's called illiteracy anon.
          There are still millions of them all over the world, they can live just fine too.
          Even parrots can learn how to talk, it's the easiest part of learning a new language

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That image is how I'm starting to feel about Japanese. Learning German and some other European languages would benefit me a thousand times more... Maybe I should switch

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's German good for? You get so much more use out of French and Spanish, they're also much easier too

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You get so much more use out of Spanish
          Access to cheap labor, hookers and drugs is not a lot of use.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What do you get out of knowing German? Getting better direction from locals to the gayest scat fetisch club and being able to read Goethe as intended?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              mostly to understand the cryptic writings of nietzsche

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was wondering the same thing. German is one of the least useful languages you could learn. It's also only spoken by absolute gays.

              germanbros...

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was wondering the same thing. German is one of the least useful languages you could learn. It's also only spoken by absolute gays.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the only German speaker I know is a fruity twink
            Fucking kek. You're onto something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck. None of those are untrue. A-At least I'm training my brain's plasticity right?

      That image is how I'm starting to feel about Japanese. Learning German and some other European languages would benefit me a thousand times more... Maybe I should switch

      >You will never be fluent
      I know a guy who went to japan to study the language. He hated the school and failed big time, just went outside partying with locals and shit all day. The guy spent so much time with local japanese people that he became fluent in speech after about 3 years living there. The guy can't read or write for shit, but he speak the language perfectly and is doing fine.
      If you have the will to do something you shouldn't give up on it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME
      Sometimes I really feel this but then I remember that if I stopped studying I'd just waste all that excess time shitposting on Ganker anyway.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you will never be japanese filthy amerimutt scum, eat lead and die goddamn piece of garbage, also japanese are just freaking garbage so FUCK YA ALL, YAHOWH SIEG HEIL!!!!

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >age of the internet
    >the greatest library in the history of human civilization just waits at out fingertips with a <1s response time
    >>how tf do u lern summink?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP chud gay triying to learn shitty japanese, with their gay garden gnome friends, imagine the disgrace...

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've grinded anki every day for 3 or 4 years. I reached the end of my anki deck and I find it very difficult to incorporate actual reading in my daily routine. It was so much easier to just do my daily new cards and reviews. Does anyone have any good ideas for how to incorporate reading in a similar manner? Are 'reading flashcards' a thing?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's... fucking impressive but also retarded. you really just learned words for 4 years every day without ever at least being curious about moving onto particles, grammar, sentences, immersing with actual materials, etc?

      its quite hard to actually believe, in fact.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Autism is a hell of a drug

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I grinded anki for 6 months before giving up on it and switching to just playing vidya every day. Never looked back. Fuck anki autists for pushing that shit on everyone.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah Anki is pretty good as a supplement. Thanks to Anki i know words that don't come up often in vidya like 占拠 and 桑原桑原.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >every day for 3 or 4 years
      how. in less than 3 weeks shit piled up so bad that i quit. i can't imagine learning 20 fucking new squiggily lines every day and then recall the last 1000 vocabulary too.
      >hard to memorize a certain kanji
      >would see the same card 100 times before i "get it" only to do same thing the next day to the same card
      fuck anki seriously.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >3 or 4 years
      Damn. I've grinded a core deck for 8 months (~3k words) and I felt I've wasted my time. Same word mined by myself and with my own sentence is so much easier to remember than from some random deck.
      You can go through 30k words in 10 years and that still won't prepare you for reading. The sooner you start actually using the language, the better.
      If I could go back, I'd only learn a 1000 words before reading.

      just play pokemon. that shit is made for kids and has the option for kana/kanji/furigana if you desire

      Yeah, but I'd rather play something I want to play.

      I grinded anki for 6 months before giving up on it and switching to just playing vidya every day. Never looked back. Fuck anki autists for pushing that shit on everyone.

      It's very useful as an addition, but only an addition, to consooming the language. Especially when you can't consoom, but have a moment to review a couple of words, while at work, waiting for a bus etc.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Damn. I've grinded a core deck for 8 months (~3k words) and I felt I've wasted my time. Same word mined by myself and with my own sentence is so much easier to remember than from some random deck.
        >You can go through 30k words in 10 years and that still won't prepare you for reading. The sooner you start actually using the language, the better.
        >If I could go back, I'd only learn a 1000 words before reading.
        I went through the core 6k deck and had my own mining deck as well. Yeah, I imagine stopping after a while and just reading would have done a lot more for my reading comprehension and grammar, both of which are still complete shit.

        >every day for 3 or 4 years
        how. in less than 3 weeks shit piled up so bad that i quit. i can't imagine learning 20 fucking new squiggily lines every day and then recall the last 1000 vocabulary too.
        >hard to memorize a certain kanji
        >would see the same card 100 times before i "get it" only to do same thing the next day to the same card
        fuck anki seriously.

        >how. in less than 3 weeks shit piled up so bad that i quit. i can't imagine learning 20 fucking new squiggily lines every day and then recall the last 1000 vocabulary too.
        I did 10 new cards per day at the start, but as you said it piled up too much and I lowered it. At the end I was only doing 2-4 new cards per day. It was easy to do after I woke up, before work and didn't take very long.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All "Core" Anki decks are based on newspapers from early 90s and sometimes additionally sorted in a way that makes learning harder. The cards format also tends to be WCC instead of a more efficient TSC. Ankidrone Starter Pack is made from a completely different corpus, everyday words used commonly in Japan. You should use Ankidrone Starter Pack.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is WCC and TSC?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Targeted sentence cards are a thing.
      https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/discussing-various-card-templates.html#targeted-sentence-cards-or-mpvacious-cards

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's kind of neat. Thanks for the suggestion. I would have to look for a pre-made deck of those however.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been grinding anki for two years and I've yet to find a word I haven't encountered in media I use the language for (vidya and watching vtubers). And that's before I started my own deck by literally adding everything I encounter that I can't read at a glance. You've got to supplement your learning with immersion for real examples of words you've learned. And yes anki sentence flashcards are a thing too if you want that too.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never understand the point of making a thread bitching about something you can't do. does that ever help anyone finding motivation to get them back to grinding that to them seems impossible?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Finishing my first game in Japanese. Shit took easily 10x more time than it would take in English.
    How is the new Live A Live? Good choice for learning Japanese for a beginner? Does it have a lot of hard/rare kanji?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just play pokemon. that shit is made for kids and has the option for kana/kanji/furigana if you desire

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this one hurts bros. all my parents are dead

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nobody cares goddammit get a life, quit wasting time on a language that nobody fucking use !

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Males with no good look or contacts have become pretty much unemployable and this isn't anime's fault.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "oh my god it's overrr im criying, because i'm ugly and no slut wants to fuck me(snif, snif)"

        Bro I just don't give a fuck...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >blaming the medium
      >not the problems that led you to isolate yourself from friends and family
      absolutely retarded.

      how do you even read the little details these if you don't have a perfect sight without getting closer/squinting your eyes? impractical ass language

      You recognize them from outlines/familiarity, etc.

      >3 or 4 years
      Damn. I've grinded a core deck for 8 months (~3k words) and I felt I've wasted my time. Same word mined by myself and with my own sentence is so much easier to remember than from some random deck.
      You can go through 30k words in 10 years and that still won't prepare you for reading. The sooner you start actually using the language, the better.
      If I could go back, I'd only learn a 1000 words before reading.

      [...]
      Yeah, but I'd rather play something I want to play.

      [...]
      It's very useful as an addition, but only an addition, to consooming the language. Especially when you can't consoom, but have a moment to review a couple of words, while at work, waiting for a bus etc.

      Anki has been a mixed bag for me. Flashcards helped some things stick, and the audio got me used to how the language sounds (neutrally). On the other hand, they don't quite teach one how to use words in context which sucks. They also won't teach nuances between words (I've seen action translated as 動作, 行為, 活用, 活躍, 作業, etc. which one the fuck should I use?)
      >Especially when you can't consoom, but have a moment to review a couple of words, while at work, waiting for a bus etc.
      Pretty much what I've been doing with it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It seems you guys have never used Anki for anything besides rigid vocab -> meaning stuff.
        If you want to learn all synonyms to a word, make a randomized list of items with one randomly clozed out. That way, you will have to fill in the missing item of a sequence just like the one you posted, 動作, 行為, 活用, 活躍, 作業: e.g. 動作, 行為, [...], 活躍, 作業

        If you make an important realization, write that down, at best, turn it into a flashcard, and have the program make you actively recall it. You may want to use more generous scheduling for that.
        Maybe make a figure of some idea and use image occlusion add-ons to cloze certain parts of the figure. You can definitely be creative with it and active recall will always be superior to passive reading, when it comes to learning (afaik it is the best way to learn on your own. Of course a tutor directly addressing your weaknesses would be best).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >posting something written for chinese people in tiawan
          >still pretending this is japanese

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he's a spook trying to rob people of japanese gains
            note how his advice on how to figure out which word you should use in different contexts is to literally memorize every single word whose meaning is even tangentially related to the word you want to use

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Stop shitposting.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was written for both.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that pic is honestly fairly basic wenyan/hanbun/kanbun, etc. Natives can definitely read it, though it's used less and less. Only China seems to put an increasingly bigger emphasis on it, which is definitely for nationalistic reasons (specifically to make it seem like everything else in East Asia is derivative of China). Most more scholarly people I have met basically know the entire corpus of Chinese philosophy and related chengyu by heart but couldn't talk about a single Western thinker if their life depended on it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >which one the fuck should I use?
        it's time to step down from the pure anki meme and start reading

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being such a moron that you center your whole life around pleasing others. That's way more pathetic than any weeb.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re supposed to center your life around being a man.
        You centered yours around being a homo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Homos are men, if they weren't they'd be lesbians

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, they are not men. They’re barely human.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Then they're not homos

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, they are.
                They are gays.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gays are men that fuck men. So by definition they have to be men

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, they are not men.
                They are gays.

                Suggest Gankergames to play in japanese

                >playing a game in bing bong ook chong
                Irredeemable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we're not the property of our parents
      if I want to look at anime tits all day I have the freedom to do so.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I wish either my father or my mother, or indeed both of them, as they were in duty both equally bound to it, had minded what they were about when they begot me; had they duly consider’d how much depended upon what they were then doing;—that not only the production of a rational Being was concerned in it, but that possibly the happy formation and temperature of his body, perhaps his genius and the very cast of his mind;—and, for aught they knew to the contrary, even the fortunes of his whole house might take their turn from the humours and dispositions which were then uppermost;—Had they duly weighed and considered all this, and proceeded accordingly,—I am verily persuaded I should have made a quite different figure in the world, from that in which the reader is likely to see me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >6'
      >Lifting Gankerfag
      >High paying tech job
      >Still a frendless shut-in ass-burger weeb
      Now what, gay?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >spend your one chance at existence slaving for mister shekelstein in a no future world instead of NEETslacking
      Keep paying your taxes so I can live free, wagecattle.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The idea of a hapless boomer coming across this post and being confused and irroncilably annoyed is very amusing to me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who have thought that dropping the kid in front of the tv all day and never interacting with it would lead to stunted emotional and social development?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how do you even read the little details these if you don't have a perfect sight without getting closer/squinting your eyes? impractical ass language

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't have to. Your brain is a pattern-recognition machine. One cursory look at a kanji is enough for your brain to recognize it as a certain word.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        土士

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not bullshitting you when I say I immediately read those as earth and samurai, and that you can too. it becomes easy.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the last time, you learn words not individual kanji.
    Once you reach a critical mass of knowledge kanji actually helps you read japanese better, this is the case even if you don't individually memorize singular kanji in isolation like some goons do with those programs I forget the names of

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How? Its very tedious to memorize how entire words look, you just have to imprint all these nonsense squigglys in your mind. But with individual kanji you have the option to use stuff like Kodansha Kanji Learners Course that explains each kanji so that you can see it as an image depicting its meaning

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it even worth learning anymore with the way japanese devs are going?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's 40 years of wholesome gaming history to explore in Japanese, no matter the future.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is japanese so fucking hard bros?
    It's not. It only looks hard to people who don't know how to learn it the right way. Read https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried to learn Mandarin together with it, to make Kanji easier to understand. Got burnt out lol.
    Katakana is also retarded. The fact you can get borrowed words wrong and aren't breaking the English language like you should is so stupid

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Learning Mandarin isn't that useful for Japanese (something like Cantonese or Hokkien may be better but again, overall not that useful). You could've learned Classical Chinese since that was, more or less, East Asia's lingua franca for almost two millenia and it was still used in Japan in the 20th century (see the Emperor of Japan's surrender in WW2, for instance).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Learning Mandarin isn't that useful for Japanese (something like Cantonese or Hokkien may be better but again, overall not that useful). You could've learned Classical Chinese since that was, more or less, East Asia's lingua franca for almost two millenia and it was still used in Japan in the 20th century (see the Emperor of Japan's surrender in WW2, for instance).

      but I should mention that Classical Chinese is much harder to get proficient in than any other language I know of and the usefulness for Japanese certainly stops at a certain point. You may be able to derive or explain grammatically some obscure yojijukugo taken from the classics but it's most likely not useful for video games or whatever your interest is. Classical languages in general are really difficult and often times only written.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Learning Mandarin isn't that useful for Japanese (something like Cantonese or Hokkien may be better but again, overall not that useful). You could've learned Classical Chinese since that was, more or less, East Asia's lingua franca for almost two millenia and it was still used in Japan in the 20th century (see the Emperor of Japan's surrender in WW2, for instance).

        Yeah I'm close to giving up on Mandarin. No way I'd be able to handle Classical or even Cantonese

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cantonese and the like are much more autistic when it comes to tones and even still use the entry tone, although are still more similar by Japanese by virtue of not being that different to Middle Chinese, which I believe Japanese borrowed lots of readings for kanji from (as opposed to Mandarin; you don't see x or q in Japanese, which I believe are unique to Mandarin, plus, Mandarin really was more of an "official" language in these days; vernacular Mandarin wasn't that common). But even Cantonese (mainly due to Hong Kong) has special symbols no other language has and every-day language is definitely much influenced by English, again, due to Hong Kong. I don't think there is all that much use in learning a Sino-Tibetan language just for Japanese when all Japanese did is borrow vocabulary from that; it's like learning Italian to speak Tigrinya.
          I can also assure you that most natives can only "understand", as in get the gist (but often not full meaning) of, Classical Chinese but not tell you why it's written as it is, i.e. most people know jack shit about Classical grammar, so its overall use is fairly niche, but probably bigger than Middle Chinese.
          The only really interesting thing I know about Mandarin and Japanese specifically is that Mandarin has its own corpus of weeb vocabulary and even some grammatical particles that are used in translations of Japanese stuff (though rather unofficial stuff, like fan translations).

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it's not only for Japanese, I also learn it out of my own interest. It's just that the accent thing is really difficult to get into. I learn a bit of it on Memrise, and I'm really tired of getting the accents wrong in exercises. I can hear the difference, but my brain just doesn't want to process it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it's not only for Japanese, I also learn it out of my own interest. It's just that the accent thing is really difficult to get into. I learn a bit of it on Memrise, and I'm really tired of getting the accents wrong in exercises. I can hear the difference, but my brain just doesn't want to process it

            Just wanna add, I was interested in Mandarin specifically. I'll try to forget about it as a Japanese accessory and just learn a bit for its own sake. Thanks for the explanation on it and the relation to Japanese.
            Cantonese sounds off to me, and classical sounds hard. I'll just keep doing my 5-15 minutes a day of it. It wakes up my brain when I do it in the morning, it's also interesting.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    山力モ尺モ ム巾 工?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WHAT

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kanji aren't even the worst part, or most difficult part of japanese, it's actually all the fucking grammar shit with hiragana that completely changes the meaning of a sentence.
    once you know about 300/500 kanji everything is easier
    今日は友達と学校に行きました
    is much much much better to read than
    きょうは ともだちと がっこうに いきました
    i don't know... lumping grammar and normal words or verbs is so weird and confusing, kanji helps you with that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No no, the hardest part are onomatopoeic and mimetic words

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >onomatopoeic and mimetic words
        I feel like I have a good grasp on the language until one of these motherfuckers hit me

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >onomatopoeic and mimetic words
        I feel like I have a good grasp on the language until one of these motherfuckers hit me

        What do you think of this channel? Seems to be good for those
        https://www.youtube.com/c/Onomappu/videos

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This guy knows. Also, reading names beyond easy stuff like tanaka, yamaguchi or mizuno

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      きょうはきょうとにきょうみがあるきょうことはなした

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do nips find this shit difficult?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          in the 80s, games and PCs couldn't handle kanji, so they used all kana and it was a big pain in the ass for japs

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how many radicals do you want senpai

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I only see like 5 step up your game senpai

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kanji and vocab are complete meme. Grammar is infinitely harder. Fuck all these bullshit rules and exceptions and verb tenses and particles I'm going insane.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What exceptions are you talking about? The only true difficult part about grammar is when you have 5+ that mean essentially the same thing but have really retarded nuances

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been binging on 2ch yukkuri threads on youtube for a while now and I realized recently that I've basically been doing the equivalent of watching tts Ganker greentext videos

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2ch yukkuri threads on youtube
      Can you link one? Are they reading of full threads?
      Only Youtube learning I did was Kimagure cook with youtube autosubs

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Can you link one?
        there's probably dozens of channels out there doing the same thing
        >Are they reading of full threads?
        they're usually cut down to just the relevant parts of the thread

        here's an example:

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh boy that's way better than what I expected. Bookmarked. Thanks!
          2ch greentexts can be great and kino. Have you read molester man or train man yet?
          I also remember I've watched the entirety of Piropito's Blind Minecraft playthrough. It was pretty good.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >anki
    >get word
    >don't know definition
    >read definition
    >1 word later it comes up again
    >completely forgot the definition

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >anki
      >get word I've definitely encountered before
      >completely forgot what it means or how to read it
      >suddenly understanding literally pops up from my subconsciousness because my brain passively remembered it
      >it was correct

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this happened to me the other day and it's the best feeling in the world. we're gonna make it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe you should do something about your early-on-set Alzheimer's and not shitpost on Ganker? For the record, memorizing 3 words for 5 minutes (while other faculties are evaluated, such as fine motor skill) is a part of the most common Alzheimer's test.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt the Alzheimer test makes you memorize 3 words for 5 minutes in another fucking language retard

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Should've used the term "nonsensical syllables" as opposed to "words", and yes, that is exactly the case. According to Ebbinghaus, 80% of such "arbitrary" knowledge should still persist after 20 minutes.
          In any case, get your short-term memory checked.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but I genuinely think I might have some memory problems because I seriously struggle
        when learning new words.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For me it's more like
      >see word in Anki
      >generally get it right
      >see it in on a text outside of Anki
      >almost never get it right

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How the fuck can you struggle with the definition? Only thing I've ever had problems with is the reading of it

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >golden thanksgiving display
    Wow, that was hard.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fucking hate Japan and their dying language why couldn't a country with a normal latin alphabet have invented anime and manga?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      go watch cartoons gay

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        France does stuff.. They also translate a lot of great and obscure Manga. How's your French?

        I'd rather learn French but they only have like 1-2 good cartoons so it's not worth it compared to the dozens of seasonal shows and hundreds of monthly manga/novel chapters Japan shits out.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only 1-2 cartoons that you know of. The Indie animation scene over there is still good probably despite the everworsening political situation.
          Learning both Japanese and French would be good.
          Have you seen a recent the French made of some Manga? It's Netflix, but I've read that it's faithful and interesting:

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      France does stuff.. They also translate a lot of great and obscure Manga. How's your French?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why couldn't a country with a normal latin alphabet have invented anime and manga?
      skill issue

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its like one step up from hieroglyphics (or maybe a step down), very inefficient language system but asia is autistic rote memorization personified so what're you gonna do

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >autistic rote memorization personified
      You could not have described the Japanese language any better. Compared to Chinese, Japanese takes it to a whole other level with their kanji being able to possess multiple pronunciations AND with an unpredictable amount of syllables because fuck you. It's an esoteric language taken to its logical extreme. Makes perfect sense on a small scale but then some smartass thought it would be a good idea to apply it all across the board.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok. total brainlet retard here. where do I start if I want to read mystery visual novels and possibly manga

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fifty fucking times
      you bitch

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Start by learning and memorizing hiragana.
      Once you know every symbol and recognize it instantly, learn katakana.
      It should keep you occupied for the next 4 months or less. Come back and ask later what to do next. Hiragana is your definite first step though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Once you know every symbol and recognize it instantly, learn katakana.
        I still process some of it instantly when I'm reading something two years after I started with kanji. It's easier to just learn it to the point where you can test yourself on it well and then move on to other things, kana is something you'll just encounter naturally.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Step 1: Learn hiragana and katakana https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/learning-kana-in-two-days.html
      Step 1.1. Learn some basic vocab and kanji https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/learning-kanji.html
      Step 2: Learn extremely basic grammar/sentence structure. https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/learning-grammar.html is a good place to start.
      Step 3: Read, watch, listen to native content. Use Japanese subs and mpv scripts.

      Use Anki to make Targeted Sentence Cards, not vocab or word cards. Literally just spend time with the language, look up words you don't know in a dictionary, look up grammar points in a grammar dictionary (like this index https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/resources.html#grammar). Keep immersing.
      It takes time but that's LITERALLY all you need to do.

      Good luck.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thanks. see you in a few months, tired of localizers ruining videogames.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks he's gonna learn nip in a few months
          Even the most proficient N1's still admit that they don't fully graps the language.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            English speakers don't even fully graps their language

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's because N1 is like a high schooler's comprehension level, assuming they can even speak and write, and so it shouldn't be your end goal at all

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tatsumoto

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tatsumoto is unironically the best Japanese language guide out there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Be 70+ year old language-fag
      >Decide to be a v-tuber
      >Drop several years worth of pure gold in free Japanese lessons
      >Die
      Honor her memory, gay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of what she talked about can be found in the books that she mentions without the ear rape.
        Pretty good videos otherwise.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A lot of what she talked about can be found in the books that she mentions without the ear rape.
          True, but even those books still have a lot of moments that where they try to translate meanings instead of using literal translations and explaining how the metaphor works. Plus you can listen to her videos when you're cooking/cleaning ect.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Straight away. I'll watch and learn all of them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Watch them in order of oldest to newest.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I will, but I lied a little about doing it straight away. I'll watch one video a day after my Japanese reps.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >her final video
        🙁

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's one of the languages that english didn't copy it's words from. So you have to start from scratch.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Spend 8 years learning Japanese
    >Can play games like Final Fantasy and every now and again have to consult a dictionary.
    >Can have reasonable conversations about everyday things in Japanese.
    > Cannot understand a single line of dialogue of any native material.

    Why even try?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I quit after about a year and a half because I stopped seeing the point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I stopped seeing the point
      Don't you want to be able to play your favorite vidya without having to go through pozzed chudlizers who keep changing the original dialogue at their whim to fit their political agenda?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t even play video games that frequently anymore.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you should be on 2ch

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What’s the difference between Kanji and Chinese

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do i type nihongo without opening google translate every time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      use an IME

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        which one

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How the fuck do people even begin to learn kanji?
    I speak 4 fucking languages(that are all pretty different from eachother) fluently and I genuinely can not wrap my head around starting to learn japanese

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How the fuck do people even begin to learn kanji?
      By starting at the very bottom and working your way up like a grade school student. You don't fucking learn shit like the OP image from the get go. You're supposed to start out with the easier ones which make up the building blocks for the more complex ones as you go.

      Take this image as a guide and look them up individually on jisho or whatever to learn the stroke order.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Kanji for power is literally exactly the same as the katakana for "Ka"
        I want to kill myself

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's bigger though 力カ

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh I see
            Still fuck this shit, the moment I learned that the past tense of aru and au are the same I realized that japanese is fucking terrible

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Japanese (Chinese too) is plagued with homonyms which is why kanji are actually a lifesaver

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the katakana is always going to be grouped with other katakana, while the kanji is either going to be by itself or with other kanji, usually at the end

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's bigger though 力カ

          https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Comparison_of_hiragana_and_katakana_derivations

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          While learning using duolingo (yes i'm aware it's dog shit most of the times), i was in the "time" section, "ha" became "wa" when translating and i'm not sure if it's duo being a massive mongoloid or if it's an obscure japanese rule.
          "Ima wa juu ji tbh." was written "ima ha juu ji tbh.".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That’s because it’s a particle. When は is used as a particle it’s voiced as わ.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              While learning using duolingo (yes i'm aware it's dog shit most of the times), i was in the "time" section, "ha" became "wa" when translating and i'm not sure if it's duo being a massive mongoloid or if it's an obscure japanese rule.
              "Ima wa juu ji tbh." was written "ima ha juu ji tbh.".

              Yeah, it's just a special case with は when it's a standalone character functioning as its own word.
              I'm sure there's some highly interesting story behind that which a linguistics nerd could tell you.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
              Yeah, it's just a special case with は when it's a standalone character functioning as its own word.
              I'm sure there's some highly interesting story behind that which a linguistics nerd could tell you.

              Shit, thanks lads.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Yeah, it's just a special case with は when it's a standalone character functioning as its own word.
            I'm sure there's some highly interesting story behind that which a linguistics nerd could tell you.

            It's a remnant of historical orthography that iirc they kept because people were too used to it, and you see the particles all the time because they're always written in Kana.
            A lot of the reform stuff that changed spelling you wouldn't see much because the parts that got changed are hidden by Kanji, so you wouldn't write them out in Kana.

            What's happening with the particles is that at some point, almost every H not at the beginning of a word got turned into W in pronunciation, and in modern Japanese every W except for "Wa" has lost the W altogether. Particles are treated as part of the word they're attached to, so this change affected them as well.
            So は sounds like わ, へ sounds like え, and を sounds like お

            The same change gives us 藤 Fuji + 原 Hara turning into Fujiwara for example.)
            There's a few words like 母 or アヒル that resisted the change, so it's not for every word.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they either use mnemonics (kanjidamage) or the jp1k method where you train yourself to get used to reading kanji by learning words with furigana
      https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/learning-kanji.html

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just learn radicals (there's only like 214 of them) to recognize the building blocks and then jump into vocabulary. Kanji in isolation is a waste of time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kanji is incredibly easy to learn. Time consuming but easy. And despite the characters getting more complicated, it gets easier as you go because you learn the radicals and have an easier time fighting in new kanji into your preexisting knowledge.
      The grammar is a fucking nightmare though, as is learning the subtleties of social cues.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Been learning my own way. no flashcards involved, for a year now and I can read most stuff no problem.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    USE ANIMELON RETARDS
    ITS THE BEST RESOURCE OUT THERE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I prefer mpvacious with torrented anime

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thats also acceptable

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > just watch anime every single day for 5 to 10 years
      This is basically why I stopped. If I had started when I was 15 maybe I would’ve stuck with it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so you stopped consuming media even in english? your reasoning only makes sense if you don't enjoy anything that can be obtained in japanese
        if you dont like anime, watch movies
        if you dont like movies, play games
        if you dont like games, read books/blogs/novels
        animelon is just a very easy to digest resource because the subs are already there and an optional translation is 2 clicks away, while also providing a scriptlog for quick flashcard creation. it's the fastest and least complicated method, but if you hate anime, just do anything else in the language instead

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          75% or more of your immersion will be done with anime, especially for the first few years because you cannot understand much else. You will not be able to just pick up a novel and read it after say, six months. It just won't happen. Your primary way of interacting with Japanese will be anime. So if you get sick of anime, you're screwed. And besides, you can leaern Japanese pretty okay within 5 years, but getting really good is a decade long process at least and if you don't live in the country, that's going to come by way of media and study. So what? Am I going to be nearly 40 still drilling Anki decks and dedicating an hour a day to watching Japanese movies? No. Honestly, this is probably why all the really successful learners start very young. It has less to do with neuroplasticity and more to do with being able to tolerate endless amounts of anime fpr years, and you can only really do that without going crazy as a teenager or very young adult.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if you derive no pleasure from japanese media, then you have no reason to start in the first place

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone who says kanji is hard is full of shit.
    what really filters learners is the fucking grammar.
    I know over 500+ kanji and I struggle to understand what the sentence means until I read it backwards. That's how fucked up the grammar is in Japanese.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grammar exists with Kanji, what makes grammar hard is a combination of having to learn Nip grammar AND fucking Kanji. It's fucking hard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >jap grammar is hard
      bro it's the html or LaTeX of human languages with particles instead of tags lmao just read more, it'll come to you

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >bro
        Opinion discarded.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2022
    >could just the alphabet
    >dont

    ?????

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kanji are literally objectively superior to an alphabet in the amount of information per symbol. The only advantage of an alphabet is that retards get to play too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        considering how much of humanity is retarded, that makes alphabet the superior choice by far

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Objectively, sure. In practical terms though, fuck no. It's very telling when even nips who grew up knowing nothing but Japanese still couldn't read shit that strays ever so slightly into uncommon territory. How is that not considered a flaw?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Kanji are literally objectively superior to an alphabet in the amount of information per symbol.
        Yes if it made sense, but unfortunately it doesn't help everytime and requires serious dedication to learn:
        >The usual subject, verb, complement becomes subject, complement, verb (could easily be learned but can definitely be a throw off)
        >Hiragana / katakana, which can be easily learned even if it takes quite some time to memorize properly
        >Adding "tsu" to double the next word's letter
        >Adding a small character to change the word's pronounciation
        >Combining kanjis with eachother for a brand new word
        Just all of these can throw people from learning.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You'd probably get more German use out of learning Arabic...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      xD

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I went to school 6 months, passed N4 and retired from Japanese learning forever. That's good enough for me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did you have fun?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not really, no. The other students and the teachers were definitely good people but I'm an asocial retard so I didn't keep in contact with any of them. I also spent about $15,000 USD on tuition, plane tickets and living expenses since I refused to be a cashier or restaurant front attendant since that's all you get as job offers over there.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i'm sorry anon, but i'm also glad that i chose to self study because i knew i was going to suffer your fate otherwise

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, I'd only recommend physically traveling to Japan to learn the language if you're 18-24 years old (specially if you're female) and actually intend on doing something there like attending university or building some long-lasting contacts for business otherwise it's mostly a waste of money.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i'm probably already good enough to have a good time there right now, but i'll study a few more years and then go into their arcades to play fightan games with them

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nice bait to introduce gaijin genes and fullfill abe wish anon

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what does this thread have to do with vidya
    fuck off to your containment board please

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most people here want to play vidya in japanese

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        shut up reddit immigrant

        Go back to your containment boards >>a >>jp >>lgbt

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you don't know what you're talking about reddit immigrant

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shut up reddit immigrant

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it enables me to play, gay

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the only Ganker where I have seen anyone complaining about learn moonrune to enjoy vidya threads. fuck off back to lelddit.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm learning Japanese for Otaku shit, but aside from Musumate I can't think of any game I'd like to play in Native Japanese right now.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are some untranslated games that are highly-regarded in Japan but unknown in the west? I wanna try them

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you don't know what you're talking about reddit immigrant

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I look like this and I quoted that because I got owned

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I Know Chinese :^)

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had a dream that I moved to Japan and all the Japanese people were gone.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been playing Gunparade March the past day or two. It was pretty funny when I realised that the ecchi mood music was basically copy pasted for Artificial Academy a decade later, same with half the game systems.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fuck text books
    >do 9000 anki reps a day
    >just like watch anime 10 hours a day
    >retards still can't read or speak for shit after years of doing that
    >meanwhile most people who just take a Japanese course in uni exit with N1 fluency

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    literally just do your reps bro

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what website is this?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like wanikani, but with some customized interface

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          oh thanks anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not the anon who posted that picture, but the crabcroc on the top left led me to believe it's wanikani

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like wanikani, but with some customized interface

        oh thanks anon

        Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not the anon who posted that picture, but the crabcroc on the top left led me to believe it's wanikani

        it is wanikani. i do have a couple extensions, yes.
        i'd also recommend using bunpro for grammar

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Tired of arguing on the internet
    >Learn Japanese so that I can talk to people that hold similar views as me
    >Start arguing with Japanese people on the internet
    There is no escape.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you argue with japanese people about lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mainly fish-keepers. Turns out the Japanese love keeping fish in tiny bowls. A surprisingly large number of them respond by saying the fish has a bigger home than they do, kek (but seriously, it's not like a bigger tank would take much more space).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >getting mad about fish
          You know they eat them, right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you will never be japanese

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Learn Chinese instead, it's actually useful and you don't even have to learn characters because everyone already knows how to read pinyin, you can get by simply by recognizing them and typing while on the computer or phone

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >chinese
      >useful
      lolno it only helps you read retard posts by retarded chinks
      >you don't even have to learn characters
      sup HSK4 tard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As I said before, you don't have to memorize the characters by hand because you can install pinyin on your keyboard and they are automatically set, just by seeing them a couple of times you are able to recognize them, especially if they are relevant words.

        I know hundreds of hanzi and I can recognize them but I don't know how to handwrite most of them, because it's simply not necessary unless you want an HSK degree (although some of those tests don't even ask you to write them anymore).

        >lolno it only helps you read retard posts by retarded chinks
        Japan apart from anime and video games is completely irrelevant, they also don't want to know anything about the outside world, island mentality. China however will be the next world power.

        Also, something I've noticed is that the vast majority of people who learn Japanese are weebs who after a few months give up and quit because it's absurdly complicated, with Chinese even though it's hard to pronounce, the grammar is pretty simple and you feel like you advance very fast because you don't have to memorize 20 fucking different ways to say "you."

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          apart from anime and video games is completely irrelevant, they also don't want to know anything about the outside world, island mentality
          So, aside from the only reasons anyone would want to learn a language, they're also isolationist so they're unlikely to start producing globohomo dogshit any time soon?

          Man, I better drop this language and start learning chink already. Who needs entertainment when you can have exciting talks about what breed of dog tastes the best with third world insects?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Man, I better drop this language and start learning chink already
            you'll drop that language anyways in a few months, I guarantee

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I mean, it's been over half a decade and I use it for hours every day, so I doubt it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >As I said before, you don't have to memorize the characters by hand because you can install pinyin on your keyboard and they are automatically set, just by seeing them a couple of times you are able to recognize them, especially if they are relevant words.
          If your only goal is to write at a babby level and frequently mistype and misread characters
          >it's simply not necessary unless you want an HSK degree
          A HSK certificate is only a measuring stick for your language proficiency level. The top levels of 9/6/11 are just a starting point for normal fluency. If you couldn't pass lower levels any day of the week (including handwriting) you do not know Chinese and should stop larping, which was my point.
          >Japan apart from anime and video games is completely irrelevant
          Chinese is irrelevant apart from going there in person and doing business which you aren't doing since you're a NEET larping at a millet brewing conference. Not even trying to learn nipponese btw.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you can get by simply by recognizing them and typing while on the computer or phone
      If only Japanese had an actual alphabet you could use to type Kanji.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sorry no speak censorship or liveleak

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    y'all never be japanese and will always be a dirty gaijins

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      はい

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing holding me back is the writing system at this point. I spent more time on phonemes than actual vocabulary due to the similarities to my agglutinative SOV native tongue

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros I keep getting filtered by が and は

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just read more lmao you'll get a feel for it. That's the answer to almost any problem with languages

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ホモ

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally the same thing, people will just pretend they're incredibly different just to fuck with you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're not the exact same though so what's the difference?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The differences are very subtle but overall you can still grasp what's being said and the japanese will still understand you whether you used が or は. Don't worry too much about it because as your understanding naturally deepens over constant exposure you will eventually catch on

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      は is used when the predicate is more important than the subject
      が is used when the subject is more important than the predicate (and always when answering questions)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they actually mean completely different things. the thing that's going to trip you up is: those totally different things that they mean, can often both be used in a given sentence. especially simplified example sentences like XがYです vs XはYです.

      random anon's advice: don't worry about it unless you are composing something in Japanese or translation something into Japanese for a Japanese audience

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it really isn't.
    t. near fluent tokyo resident of 7 years

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    learning japanese is like getting invested in wow in 2022. if you're an ultra newfag you're going to have to spend months, maybe a few years, before you get to the point where you can discuss with other players the various elements of the game, simply because it's been around for so long and because there's so much content to consume. also it's because your western brain is not used to pictographic languages, and possibly SVO structure.

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw know chinese
    it's so easy
    it's like knowing the alphabet to japanese, I can just intuit what words and phrases means and looking up translations is super easy
    not to mention how easy katakana and hiragana is
    I don't even need to know the language, lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the crappy alien gramnar writing non romance should have been nuked or extinguised

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you are too stupid to learn? Lmao fuck off Amerilard EOP

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Read katakana english word.
    >What the fuck does this mean
    >Read it slowly syllable by syllable in your head
    >Still can't make it out
    >Start actually saying it loudly with your voice over and over
    >Still don't get it
    >Give up
    >1 page later
    >Finally clicks
    >You now hate loanwords slightly more.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What you don't like ワークライフバランス?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Walk life balance?
        Work life balance?
        Dumbing down english words with their system makes some shit sounds too similar i hate it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hence context clues and intuition, and when all else fails, asking

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The second. Started popping up in Japan a few years ago, at least that's how I remember.

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any anons get their visa with a criminal history?
    Kinda worried mine will ruin my chances. Fucked up pretty bad when I was a dumb kid 11 years ago but have never served time or anything. Have since turned around and got a bachelors degree and good employment.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can get it. You won't get JET Programme or the like, but you can get stuff. Know a guy that's a recruiter who had a criminal history, and now he's making the fat recruiter money (at least until that bubble finally bursts).

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Manga is a better practice rool than vidya to be honest, even if a big ass jrpg enda up having more stuff to read overall.
    My skills jumped up tremendously when I just dove into raw manga

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For me, translated comics on Danbooru

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah vidya is not that good, i mean it helped me a lot but knowing sentences like この鎧の装備はできない is not super helpful.

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    私はアノン。私は二十四歳。私はアニメが好き。私は日本語が読める。私はとっても上手。私はお前より上手。

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't need to use 私 so much.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I'm thinking that might have been the joke

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh nihongo jouzu anon kun.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      でも日本人にならない

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Very jouzu

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      私はアノン、二十四歳です。アニメが好き、そしていつも日本語を読みます。なお、日本語がまだ下手、もっと勉強です。

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All guides basically say the same thing.
    >learn kana
    >learn vocab (optional kanji only study)
    >read about basic grammar
    >read native material on par with your level
    >repeat above
    Simplified, of course, but what's the big difference between all the vocab decks, does it even matter that much?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      stop trying to learn to learn a language and just learn the damn thing

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Friendly reminder that Im better than every person in this thread at Japanese 🙂

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except me. I started learning 10 years ago with the DJT on /a/ and now I live and work and Japan, speaking at a near native level.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah still not as good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You must be from /djt/.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I KNEEL, KEN-SAMA

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know man, it sounds to me like you're speaking English.

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Katakana should dissapear, it should be nuked out of existance.
    I understand the importance of kanji and hiragana is simple enough, but there's literally no reason for katakana to exist.
    It's literally like if I just started to write *manga* instead of manga. I look like a fucking retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      katakana is fine it's good for emphasis
      wasei eigo should be removed however

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      makes it easier to read tbdesu.
      if you were to overhaul Japanese writing so that it had spaces between words or something that makes it more obvious where one word starts and another ends then I could see the argument for katakana being obviated (and probably the Chinese characters for the most part at that point), but as-is katakana is handy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can't get rid of kanji because too many words sound the same. In conversation this can be fine, but in writing it'd cause a lot of confusion

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Korean did it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and now their language looks disgusting

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Koreans have WAY more sounds in their language and way fewer words that sound the same

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if it's fine in conversation (which it is mostly), then it can be represented just fine in a written language as well. Japanese speech does not have some extra layer of context that cannot possibly be rendered in writing.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm 50% through my n5 deck, another month should be enough to cover the other half if I keep the same tempo and then I plan to start getting more into reading and watching anime without subs. Need to study grammar more though, I'm kinda lagging behind in that compared to anki drilling

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >try to learn japanese
    >eyesight is shit
    >give up because the fucking minute details are incredibly important
    I'm legitimately going to kill myself over these fucking eyes. Which retard had the genius idea to make all my hobbies and interests relate to looking at shit? It was me I'm the retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nips wear glasses for a reason kek

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To look like persona 5 mc

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Get glasses

        Squint for the authentic Asian experience

        Here's a picture of one of my eyes. I have glasses but they don't do shit because it's not that kind of bad vision. The other eye is similarly fucked up by the way.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what the fuck man

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nani sore?!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bro they put slime in your eyeball

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          coloboma?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          those are some girly eyes

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well that's fucked.
          Cute fucking eye though, would date

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bruh don't they have surgery to fix shit like this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the people calling this cute, are you the guys who want to fuck slime monsters or what the fuck?
          looking at this spiked my pulse

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Genetics weren't kind to you, it seems.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kawaii Sony ;_;

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What does the Resident Evil 6 logo have to do with anything?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And they say euthanasia shouldn't be legal.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes but you won't like when you are youth in asia'd.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            girls love defects
            a girl i liked gushed about the scar her boyfriend had because he didn't brush his teeth, got an abscess and they had to perform oral surgery on him

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I thought this was the inside of a disgusting nose at first. What the fuck?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get glasses

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Squint for the authentic Asian experience

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >eyes evolved like that because of moonrunes

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /v/見ていて思うけど、良い意味でも悪い意味でも日本に執着しているやつ多すぎてこえーわ

    英語出来るなら翻訳されたもの消費すれば日々の体力を無駄に消費せずに済むものを…

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ろくに翻訳されてるものはほとんどないの分かってるでしょう?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ろくに翻訳されてるものはほとんどないの分かってるでしょう?

        そんなもん日本と欧米では文化が違うから、日本のものを完璧に翻訳するなんて無理に決まってんじゃん
        日本の漫画、アニメ、小説、文化、風俗に対して欧米人が違和感を覚えるのはよくあることだろ?

        仮にちゃんと翻訳されたものを消費したとしても、文化の違いから違和感を覚えそれを翻訳のせいだーとか言い始めるんだよ、人間は。

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >風俗
          never fails to make me laugh

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            風俗

            衣・食・住や行事など、その社会集団の生活の上のさまざまな仕方やしきたり。その有様

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              知っているけど、あの言葉は性的な意味も持っているのこと全然面白いと思います。14歳ではない

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not. It's perfectly logical.

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    STOP TALKING AND WRITING LIKE A SAMURAI
    YOU SOUND WEIRD
    NO ONE TALKS LIKE THAT
    NIHONGO NOT JOUZU

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry degozaru.

      ろくに翻訳されてるものはほとんどないの分かってるでしょう?

  76. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ganker - Video Games

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      see

      This is the only Ganker where I have seen anyone complaining about learn moonrune to enjoy vidya threads. fuck off back to lelddit.

      Kanji is fun for the first 3/4 grades until the strokes keep piling up

      Learn radicals. You'll learn to stop worrying about >muh stroke counts.

  77. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kanji is fun for the first 3/4 grades until the strokes keep piling up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Coward. The 20+ strokes kanji are the most fun to learn. It's like encoutering a rare pokemon.

  78. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I kind of want to learn because I enjoy the sound of it, but I don't even watch animu anymore and I'm not interested in niche games. I don't know what I would use it for

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then dont learn it. you'll give up and waste your time if you have no motivation other than "it's cool"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to shitpost on 2chan

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't know what I would use it for
      as a hobby

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Read manga

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To play literally any Japanese game in the original language?

  79. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    play the original Pokemon games in Japanese, its a good start for learning, have to trust me.

  80. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    man I can easily play games in jap but reading shit here or in 2chan makes no sense
    do we all just talk like schizos in the internet?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes?
      Read the Ganker-to-2chan translation sites, the slang being translated is way too fucking funny
      https://kowakunotsubo.com/archives/ijiranaide-nagatoro-san-ch110/

  81. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m too lazy to do my WaniKani vocab reps
    Hate when they just dump 100 lessons on me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      do them slowly
      prioritize review over lessons

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You need to learn from something that’s actually going to give you feedback and context, like WaniKani. Something that teaches you the exceptions and rules.
      Otherwise you’re going to get an anki deck that throws 一 (ichi) and 一つ (hitotsu) at you and wonder why the fuck 一 has two different readings, then get frustrated and give up.

      /jp/ doesn't recommend wanikani for a number of reasons, which are listed here.
      https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/faq.html#what-are-the-downsides-of-using-wanikani

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        god fuck off already you turbogay shill

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          first point was wrong, stopped reading

          epic cope from ngmis

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        first point was wrong, stopped reading

  82. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >learning ching chong bing bong sucky sucky
    The surest sign of low testosterone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ja, du bist korrect, niger! Deutch ist der bessere language für menner!
      Seriously, have a nice day.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. personally attacked gay
        How tiny are your balls, gay?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Enters a thread i don't like
          >Post an "argument" that is just bait
          >Get told to commit sepukku because your bait was horrible and painfully obvious
          >"Triggered much?"
          Go ahead, tell me your manly ass hobby (or hobbies, if you even have more than one).
          Hard mode: no gun collecting, no gym/fitness, no car collection, those are common as fuck.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I knit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I knit.
              AAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            holy fuck look at this assmad low T gay learning a language for homosexuals and “men.”
            You deserve nothing but torture in this life and the next for what a colossal waste of meat you are, gay.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Same rebuttal
              How about you play the macho man somewhere else? Doubt even 4chan would welcome your ass.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m not playing anything, gay. I’m making fun of you.
                You’re a sad, worthless queer who will die alone. You should feel awful about yourself at every opportunity.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I’m not playing anything
                Ah, yes, the bait wasn't you at all, never existed in the first place, am i right? Still haven't answered my question by the way.
                >You’re a sad, worthless queer who will die alone
                Put down the projector, the only one seeing lgbt here is your out-of-asylum brain.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a-answer my question
                Why? I don’t owe you anything. Whereas you owe me an apology for what a gay you are.
                You deserve nothing but the drawn-out pain of a meaningless existence, and you will get it in spades.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Me, me, me!
                The fuck are you? A woman? No one owe you shit, go get your (you)s somewhere else, you attention craving retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, gay, you owe me an apology for existing. You are a disgrace to my species and incredibly, painfully gay.
                Now apologize and endure the pain of your existence quietly.

  83. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You do practice your phonemes and pitch accents right?
    You aren't aiming to sound blatantly JTL right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I only care about consumption and maybe talking in Japanese online

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like dogen but what is jtl

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Japanese Third Language

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dogen is a fag and pitch accent is a complete meme if you're not looking to get a high profile job using the language
      your japanese friends dont give a shit if your words sound funny and they understand you anyway

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >your japanese friends
        What Japanese friends?
        What friends?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          who the fuck are you practicing pitch accent for idiot

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s a gay learning ching chong bing bong.
            It’s a genetic failure and has no good reason for anything it does. It should kill itself.

  84. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're a beginner, please read the guide first.

    Updated guide: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html
    Library: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.html

    Daily reminder: Read more.

    Avoid any japanese 'learning' site that links their patreon garbage. REMINDER, Itazuraneko is the only guide that doesn't beg for donations.

  85. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely off-topic, but
    >be ESL
    >move away from home country
    >become more and more exposed to English
    >you start to think in English
    >you primarily speak in English
    >slowly start to forget your own tongue's vocab
    >have to look up on Google Translate for YOUR OWN WORDS
    It's fucking embarrassing. And I don't know what to do. Do I just pick up a book and try to keep it fresh?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, or take private classes. Same for any expat.

  86. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You do it, fucktard. He bought something of value and relevance to the thread. What did you bring, moron smells?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          newfag

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's analcream, an infamous fag from /jp/, he always bitches about random shit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, my bad I guess, maybe.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tatsumoto

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            dostedt?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate anki only retards.
      NEVER use anki as your main study resource. Only use it as a supplement.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A supplement to what?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You need to learn from something that’s actually going to give you feedback and context, like WaniKani. Something that teaches you the exceptions and rules.
          Otherwise you’re going to get an anki deck that throws 一 (ichi) and 一つ (hitotsu) at you and wonder why the fuck 一 has two different readings, then get frustrated and give up.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed.

        If you're a beginner, please read the guide first.

        Updated guide: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html
        Library: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/librarymain.html

        Daily reminder: Read more.

        Avoid any japanese 'learning' site that links their patreon garbage. REMINDER, Itazuraneko is the only guide that doesn't beg for donations.

        Itazuraneko is the old guide, you can safely ignore it from now on. We on DJT have been working on a replacement guide. So far it's got only positive feedback. https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          mental illness

  87. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ㄏㄟ ㄕㄚˇ ㄍㄨㄚ 。 ㄖㄨˊ ㄍㄨㄛˇ ㄩㄢˋ ㄧˋ , ㄎㄜˇ ㄧˇ ㄩㄥˋ ㄓㄨㄥ ㄨㄣˊ ㄏㄜˊ ㄖˋ ㄨㄣˊ ㄉㄜ˙ ㄧㄡ ㄒㄧㄡˋ ㄕㄨ ㄒㄧㄝˇ ㄒㄧˋ ㄊㄨㄥˇ ㄍㄟˇ ㄉㄚˋ ㄐㄧㄚ ㄒㄧㄝˇ ㄒㄧㄣˋ 。 ㄋㄧˇ ㄇㄣˊ ㄓㄜˋ ㄒㄧㄝ ㄕㄚˇ ㄍㄨㄚ ㄩㄥˇ ㄩㄢˇ ㄅㄨˋ ㄏㄨㄟˋ ㄓ ㄉㄠˋ ㄖㄨˊ ㄘˇ ㄔㄨ ㄙㄜˋ ㄉㄜ˙ ㄒㄧㄝˇ ㄗㄨㄛˋ ㄐㄧㄠˇ ㄅㄣˇ 。 ㄒㄧㄤˋ ㄨㄛˇ ㄏㄜˊ ㄨㄛˇ ㄉㄜ˙ ㄐㄧˋ ㄋㄥˊ ㄐㄩ ㄍㄨㄥ 。

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      O_O

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What ancient runes are these?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why don't you folks like professional translations done by masters of the japanese language?

  88. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can understand every word in a sentence
    >but I can't actually understand what the sentence is saying
    How do I fix this?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      grammar

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        time to start reading and learning grammar

        I watch Cure Dolly and read Imabi but I can't say it's been helping me much.

        No, I guess I'll have to try it out.

        Post the sentence

        Pretty much every sentence that's longer than 3 words or so.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you tried not being retarded

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      time to start reading and learning grammar

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post the sentence

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know but you probably cant understand this anyway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That makes no sense. Do you mean you can understand the sentence but simply can't pinpoint the right words for a translation? Because that's a common problem for most people.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No no, I mean I understand the words individually, but not the sentence. It's like, take the sentence "There is a red apple on the table", well imagine that I understand every word individually but I cannot comprehend what information the sentence itself is conveying, that's the problem I have with japanese.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          テーブルの上に赤いリンゴがあります
          you don't get it?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This one I get but take

            風俗

            衣・食・住や行事など、その社会集団の生活の上のさまざまな仕方やしきたり。その有様

            for example, I just do not understand what is being said, I can understand the words individually, and I understand the beginning, but when you get to "生活の上のさまざまな仕方やしきたり。その有様" I just do not understand what is being said here, even though I do understand the words by themselves.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think it is quite possibly due to the order of the sentence. You need to like, find a way to read Japanese that makes sense to your brain. Personally, I just pluck all the relevant bits and then re-arrange them into English ordering.

          テーブルの上に赤いリンゴがあります
          you don't get it?

          >テーブルの上に赤いリンゴがあります
          in my head becomes
          >上 テーブル 赤い リンゴ
          I don't delete the particles, but instead, they help dictate where they should end up when I remap them into English grammar.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >remap them into English grammar
            don't do that

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              works for me, it's only a shortcut when reading

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I think it is quite possibly due to the order of the sentence.
            Yes I also think that's one of the reasons why I have trouble with it, japanese sentence structure is different from the other languages I know and I just can't seem to adapt to it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe try the re-arranging thing like I suggested until you pick up the grammar, it becomes easier once you associate the order change with what each particle does and eventually you can just read it in the japanese order. Ultimately, unless you're writing, reading is extracting relevant data anyway and all speed-readers do this to some degree in their native language.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          japanese particles are announcing the function of each word. it's like me saying "anon subject ball object throw", which means "anon throws a ball". it can't be much clearer

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know what to tell you anon, I've looked up grammar guides and read up on particles but I still have serious trouble with understanding sentences. Maybe I'm just not intelligent enough.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A sentence is built around the verb. Even if you don't understand some of the expressions in a sentence, you'll still understand the point of a sentence if you spot the main verb and figure out how the other words relate to the main verb

  89. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gatekeeping is important in jap culture, the language reflects that

  90. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >/djt/ shitposting even here

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was inevitable. Why is /djt/ such a MASSIVE shithole anyway?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they're autistic they can't help it

  91. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  92. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never see it mentioned but I use yomichan to get kanji definitions while browsing. It's really useful.

    >https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also works for slang and even some memes. Powerful stuff.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's really useful for reading raw VNs when inevitably some piece of shit uncommon word pops out and it's not said by a heroine so there is no voice.

  93. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If your going to actually learn a langauge learn a useful one like mandarin that will help you succeed in your career
    Japense is a meme langauge and only useful if you want to live in a country thats miserable

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mandarin is not useful, no Chinese person you're going to do business with is going to have the patience to listen to you speak Mandarin to them. They're just going to speak to you in English instead.
      >t. have a minor in Mandarin because of the "good for business career" meme

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are also xenophobic as fuck so you're better off getting an Asian to do the business for you instead.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no language is useful if you can't actually hold a normal conversation with it. that's your personal failure. english is the only exception to that because it's the de facto international language and you're just lucky you started with it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can very much have a conversation in Mandarin, but it doesn't matter. Straight to English every time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't want to rape my nose with those insectoid nasal inflections thanks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japan and the USA were pretty close in suicide rates 5 years ago, not sure where they are now though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >learning a language for a pragmatic purpose
      Nice way to burn the fuck out and never become fluent. Consooming content you like is 99% of the learning process and good look finding something you want to read if you don't actually care for the language or the country or anything.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      American whites commit kms at the same rate, it's only shitskins dragging our numbers down

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >like mandarin that will help you succeed in your career
      You made me upload pic related. I hope you're proud of yourself.

  94. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the grammar is simple, but the concept of kanji is fucking stupid. memorizing 2000+ stacks of bologna with multiple readings was a terrible idea. at least kanji look cool.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >memorising 2000 kanji
      >memorising 2000 words and spellings
      What's the difference, it's just vocab

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        words written with an alphabet can be phonetically sounded out.
        kanji is just either you know it or you don't.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          going further, i can sound out an unfamiliar word written with an alphabet, but can only guess at an unfamiliar kanji based on its radicals

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can sometimes guess the meaning from the particles.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what's the difference between language with 4000 characters and language with 26 characters???
        the difference is that you can read one without knowing them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if i told you 寿 was the kanji for long life, and 司 was the kanji for an official or leader, then what does the word 寿司 mean?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ateji
          How do you pronounce the K in knight?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I looked this up but I'm sure Google translate is just trolling

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >grammar is simple

      i think the syllabary idea is great compared to english's quasi-phoenetics, even if the sound inventory is a lot smaller.
      the grammar seems really easy too.
      but i'm still learning basic stuff, so may change my mind one day.

      >grammar seems really easy
      alright, off the top of my head, shit that gives me trouble
      >when to use 次第, よって, and 応じて (they basically mean depending on)
      >should you use こと or の as nominalizer?
      >でない and ではない. when to use one over the other?
      >ところ. still can't quite get what it means (e.g. 危ないところだった. oh, and then there's ばかり vs ところ)
      >際, 時, and 場合 (basically when they're used for when (e.g. when doing something))
      >ろくに/めったに /あまり/ほとんど ~ ない. no idea when to use which
      btw, it's a lot easier to understand than it is to compose something.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i realize i have the grammatical skills of a 5 year old and need to study more

  95. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is the /int/ general better than the /jp/ one?

  96. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're all bitches

  97. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The more I learn Japanese the more I realize it’s literally the most retarded language on this planet. I’m too far in to quit now though.
    My only driving force being to play games in their native language, and bag me a nip wife to cook me meals and put some children in.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i think the syllabary idea is great compared to english's quasi-phoenetics, even if the sound inventory is a lot smaller.
      the grammar seems really easy too.
      but i'm still learning basic stuff, so may change my mind one day.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wanting to marry a yellow woman
      Enjoy the neighbor winking at you when you get home from work every day, cucky.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seethe more roastie. You had your chance to be partner material. Have fun fucking the neighborhood out of boredom and being overall useless, wondering why no one will marry you in your 40s.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this much cope
          >the gay doesn’t even know about cheating culture on Moon Monkey Island
          pffffthahahahaHAHAHA
          You will never please a woman, you flaming baby dick fag.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >missed out on securing a hot white woman while they’re young
          >has to resort to a woman from a culture so foreign that they’ll never truly understand you
          Oh I’m laffin

  98. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros I'm going to study in Japan in January, any tips? I'm taking a 12 week preparation course first

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where in Japan?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Akihabara. I'm staying there for about a year or so

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get fuarkin shredded and work on your stroke game so you don’t bust in them immediately. Cream those slanted hoes brudda

  99. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They have made it hard on purpose to keep the foreigners out. English is so easy every cretin can utter complete sentences.

  100. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will never be Japanese

  101. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's unironically a bad language with autistic rules for no reason, so also: Arabic and Hindi

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's all languages

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not spanish! jajajajaja

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. Some languages were made by men.
        The moon language was made by “men.”

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          English is equally retarded

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not

  102. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Suggest Gankergames to play in japanese

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gankergames
      No such thing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on your skill level. For beginners, I recommend DQXIs. Fantasy language is a staple and the game was absolutely fucking butchered in English, so it's nice to play a game where you play as the 勇者 and not a fucking "luminary". Plus, it's written for 5 year olds with furigana.

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