Why is there so little discussion about light gun games here? I bought a GunCon 2 after I got a CRT for /vr/ games and I'm having a blast with Time Crisis 2. What are some other good light gun games? Preferably for the PS2, since that's what I already have. Also,
>GunCon 2 wirr be a USB controrrer
>Buy GunCon 1 to pray PS1 game, gaijin
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You are pirating shit right? A lot of the PS1 guncon games got PS2 ports/compilations. You can play the PS2 port of Point Blank even if only got a Japanese release since you don't really need to read the text.
Of course I am. Fat PS2 with a HDD is really cool. You're talking about the "Gunvari collection" right? Have you played that version? I've seen reports that while Point Blank games are okay, the first Time Crisis has high input lag. Does the whole thing run at 480i, or 240p?
This seems like a good idea til you realize that Japanese instructions for a rapid-fire variety game kinda put a damper on things. I mean yeah you can intuit or figure it out over time but if you have buds coming over to play it it'll be confusing. PS1 CDRs can be loaded via software and a physical copy of an exploited $5 game these days on a PS2.
OF NOTE: Popstarter doesn't work with lightgun games; been down this road, but the above trick via TonyHax does work.
That's not the problem. GunCon 2 is a great light gun, but it doesn't work with PS1 games at all, because it's USB. You'd need to buy the first GunCon, which is very awkward, just for a couple of games
Shoulda bought the Yobo gun I posted. I recommend you do.
Are you happy with its accuracy? I know my gun con 2 is amazing in that regard
Seems fine, I think it gets slightly wackier around the corners but I find that to be a regular thing with lightguns especially on curved screens.
anyway I'm just saying you'll run into that issue if you play that one, even if it works with your gun.
Makes sense I guess, but I'll still check it out, unless maybe I really do buy Gcon 1, like another anon suggests.
I think I will buy it at some point, they're not particularly expensive, but I hate that the buttons are in the front of the barrel. Is there a way to get something like a legit arcade foot pedal to work? I know about the controller trick, but I'd rather not step on my DS2, they ones in working condition are getting more and more rare
>Is there a way to get something like a legit arcade foot pedal to work?
If you go the DIY route it's very easy to wire up a pedal for the second port or you can mod the GunCon to add a port. Otherwise there's third party controllers that have pedals or ports.
Reddit has a lot of examples of DIY approaches. I'd also recommend the YouTube channel Boojakascha, he's reviewed hundreds of light guns and has a lot of DIY info
I love the original GCon and it's actually compatible with PS2 games like TC2 or Vampire Night. I would recommend picking some up while they're still pretty cheap. There's quite a few PS1 exclusive light gun games and TC is better than the compilation version.
Overall I think PS1 > PS2 > Saturn in terms of late 90s/early 2000s light gun games.
You'll also want a Konami compatible light gun to enjoy the whole PS1 library, luckily there's some that have multiple modes and even some that are both PS1 and Saturn compatible.
There are guncon mods for several, if not all, Justifier games.
https://github.com/mirror/nuvee/tree/master/ps1%20-%20guncon%20conversions
how well do they work?
Tried it very briefly, but all I can say is "they do", not sure how great accuracy and latency are off the top of my head.
They're junk, it's a very basic check switch that just spoofs the guncon as a justifier. You essentially get Justifier quality aiming with your guncon because the whole sync accuracy stuff just isn't built into the game.
>Why is there so little discussion about light gun games here?
Because no one actually plays games here.
We argue about which setups are bad sometimes. Expect a wall of text about how you need to stand next to the screen to play these games in this thread.
> the first Time Crisis has high input lag.
I only played like one credit of that one. I love TC2 but the first one is kind of boring since it is single player only.
I have a Guncon 1 and have been using it fot Point Blank 2 mainly. Will probably get Time Crisis 2 soon.
This isn't Ganker
Because light guns usually don't work on modern TVs or monitors. Can't even emulate these games without hooking shit up to an old CRT, and it needs to be a medium sized one at the least to be any fun.
>inb4 just play with a mouse, bro
Soulless.
Shut up, b***h.
I recall a number of complaints about these.
This sounds cool, tell me more about this.
I'd like to get into them but not until they work with flat panels. My CRT is tiny, it's garbage for these games. (and quite frankly I hate CRT and am in the process of buying an adapter)
They do as of like two years ago. Look up Sinden and GunIR. Both are good options.
Damn, good to hear. If I can get my hands on one, we in.
For me, it's Gunfighter: Legend of Jesse James (PS1)
Crisis Zone. Time Crisis 3 is ok too but I don't like it as much.
I got a Guncon2 a while ago, is the first Guncon worth getting for PS1 games?
Umm I have this Yobo lightgun thing that has a Guncon 1/2 switch. Works well for PS1 and PS2 games on PS2 for me. They're cheap.
I have one of these and it's not awful but the accuracy seems quite bad compared to my original GunCons.
As for why: Most people are gonna be price or computer skill filtered out of Sinden. Most people don't have, can't find, or don't want CRTs. Then you need lightguns for each system though PS2 has most of the best ones.
Also, they're neat but having them in the hand again... don't have much long term appeal and are a bit tiring to play be it from the arm or squinting to sight aim.
This game rocks, though it's arguably better with a mouse. It is extremely demanding of your zapper skills.
Virtua Cop
Lethal Enforcers
I haven't gotten around to playing PS2 GunCon2 games yet, but PlayStation 1 has plenty of them.
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the mad cats blaster? It toggles between ps1 & ps2 games and vibrates. I tried one I found at work on time crisis 3 and it worked perfectly.
I've considered these multi-support lightguns, but I'm always concerned about accuracy. There was a Pelican gun I bought a long time ago from GameStop that could not hit the extreme corners of my CRT so I had to save up for an official GunCon instead which did the job much better.
I'll have to check how it registers corners, but during my whole chapter 1 of Time Crisis 3 I didn't have any issues with it.
Finally got a webcam that works with this. Got lucky randomly scrolling through a second-hand online marketplace. Only cost 10 bucks.
It's like Virtua Cop / Time Crisis but ducking in different directions. Kind of like a VR game before VR. Pretty immersive but the squatting they make you do can be pretty tiring for an out of shape gamer.
I like that Konami made unique takes on light gun games like this and Silent Scope.
Oh yeah, forgot about this one. I have to resume my search for the right webcam
Does this game work with Gun Con 2, or do you have to get the Konami one (or some compatible knockoff)?
You have to get a non-Guncon one.
rail shooters are not fun
Yes they are, House Of The Dead is goofy and fun.
Same reason why the crt thread died and we get a daily LOOKIN' GOOD -tier shader thread in its place
the reason is zoomzooms
just make a new thread mongoloid
check out elemental gear bolt
rail shooter but I believe it uses light gun as well
Because you can't emulate
Too much trouble for most, probably.
>Because you can't emulate
What did they mean by this?
You can't emulate the actual lightgun part (not easily anyway), and just playing with a mouse kills the whole thing.
>You can't emulate the actual lightgun part (not easily anyway),
I see and agree, but you can use a real light gun with an emulator so long as you had the correct adapter, or am I mistaken?
Most old lightgun setups will just not work on an LCD screen. Wrong kind of refresh rate, wrong kind of luminescence.
The Nintendo Wii got around this because it operated on the wagglan sensor, rather than the NES, where the screen goes pitch black for a split second and the gun looks for the bright white squares as targets. Some older light guns work differently from this, but they don't fare any better.
I don't know if anyone has ever tried using them with movie projectors, but that's not that cheap I think.
I just meant with CRTs, like what the process is on adapting an arcade light gun to play on a PC with MAME.
It's not about refresh rate and luminescence. The light guns rely on how the electron guns in CRTs draw the picture line by line, from left to right. The guns know which part of the screen should be drawn right now, that's how they detect a hit. LCDs light all pixels at once
I'll concede my error, I just remember someone saying refresh rate was important, but he was probably wrong.
The game/gun software does need constant refresh rate, but it's only a part of the picture. The majority of LCDs run at 60Hz, and traditional light guns still don't work with them, it's impossible due to how the hardware is designed.
Gun4IR already exists, but I'm not sure if it's compatible with NES. With tech like that, it's just a matter of making a bunch of adapters for old consoles
Would it be possible to make a gun which does track for light specifically, and which would try to translate what it detects as a hit for the NES, as just a complete replacement? Not sure how well LCD would work for that, or if this would even work at all.
I feel like you would basically need to invent a new gun setup for modern TVs and then adapt old games to that.
There aren't great ways to emulate light gun games (Sinden is a pain to set up and has no Mister fpga comparability, gun4ir is too expensive). Buying the hardware for actual consoles means getting multiple guns for multiple systems.
Also lots of the best PS1 titles (point blank 1-3, elemental gear bolt) are expensive.
My recent experience is getting a sega menacer and using my old dreamcast gun.
The menacer is jumpy unless I make the screen excessively bright, T2 is the most fun I've had with a lightgun but its just too much for my tv.
The dreamcast zapper I stuggle to even calibrate it. I think the guns are just made for bigger tv's, I got a nice 24 inch one.
Gun4ir is good but only for mister and emulators.
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i wish Up-Down in Minneapolis would get Area 51. They already have a Maximum Force cabinet, so it wouldn't cost them much.
Anybody ever use one of these pieces of shit?
Finger hurt b cause trigger is bigger and is not as accurate
I tried but it literally didn't fricking work.
Yes and it sucks dick I haven't been able to beat HotD 2 because of its accuracy issues even while using the autofire function because its trigger is trash and cuts into your finger after a while.
The Xbox version is a staggering improvement though, and it's a shame so few games use it and MAME support is iffy at-best.
I wish SEGA had made a House of the Dead 1 and 2 port for PS2 just like the Virtua Cop ones, and some crazy people make a PS2 Nes emulator compatible with the Gcon, then the PS2 would have been the best lightgun console of all time.
HOTD 3 was originally on the Chihiru arcade board which is basically an Xbox the same way a Naoimi is a Dreamcast. Sega then ported HOTD 3 and 2 to Xbox.
I know, that's why I only said 1 and 2. SEGA was all over the place when porting games that gen (still is) but I wish I could play HotD somehow without the need to buy another console and 2 light guns.
Yeah, HOTD2 is my favourite lightgun game but Dreamcast has nothing else worth buying the guns for. The Dreamcast guns kind of suck too.
Death Crimson OX and Confidential Mission are fun too.
The Japanese gun is great, a bit bulky but I like it. And check out Confidential Mission like the other anon said, basically Virtua Cop 2.5
I guess there's also the VC2 port on Dreamcast, it's the PC version which I believe was a port of the Saturn version, worth checking out if you don't have a Saturn gun.
There's an NES emulator on DC that has Zapper support as well. It's worth having at least one for all of the above.
All i ever wanted from them was home ports of the Lost World (ended up just buying the board), Ocean Hunter and Lets Go Jungle.
I really want to get model 3 emulation going for Jurassic Park and Ocean Hunter.
I did get Let's Go Jungle running on teknoparrot and that was quite fun/worth the effort.
Model 3 was pretty easy last time I tried it. I guess it depends on what system you're using though.
>I really want to get model 3 emulation going for Jurassic Park and Ocean Hunter
Both are supported on Supermodel
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Sega_Model_3
The game tracks your face with a USB webcam plugged into the PS2. Your character ducks into the same direction you do. There's a bit of delay and you need the right amount of lightning but it works well considering the fact old webcams weren't that great.
Sadly the sequel was never ported to the PS2.
Some devs really think outside the box, huh.
A local barcade near me had this which was odd because otherwise it was all more standard/NA machines and loads of pinball.
I can only speak for myself, but it's because the barrier of entry is kind of fricking high. You either need an CRT and the space to put it (admittedly only a problem for us citycucks living in small apartments) or one of those $200 light guns that work on modern displays.
small CRTs can actually work nicely for light gun games, 13-20" is enough and geometry is also generally better on smaller sets which is important for these games.
I'm using a 20 inch TV and it's just fine, but I do need to be very close to it
We only talk about Mario and Zelda here, and sometimes sperg-out over Banjo Kazooie.
Is a wiimote in a pistol holder a good solution for light gun game emulation?
Yes and no. No if you don't want to see a white dot on the screen, but maybe you can turn that off. So maybe unless the old games won't work with the Wiimote.
>glorified single key for PC
>costs more than the gun
You can also buy a usb pedal and just map the controls in the emulator. Tons of them on Amazon.
They cost less than one used for decades from an arcade. If you are a prepper and really want a pedal that will still be working in 50 years I can see this being worth it but a normal person doesn't need a fricking solid steel foot pedal.
Using a foot pedal for reloading is moronic to begin with. >dude I want to pretend im firing a gun but except when reloading!
If you haven't played time crisis of any kind, go do that.
I think you'd need to make a more expensive and complex lightgun if you wanted to better simulate reloading, just making it a button to press and that's it isn't all that much better than the pedal.
It'd be fun to think about though. Picture it, a lightgun which has two 'magazines,' for the reload you press the magazine release and the current one is allowed to drop free, and then you insert the other magazine to load. They'd have some simple sensors or circuit closing so they know which magazine you're currently using, and you'd want a fairly robust plastic, maybe with a rubber coated floorplate to protect the bottom for free dropping, and whatever you might drop the magazine on. It'd be cool to add a recoiling slide to that too, primarily to make it lock open on empty to give an immediate tactile feeling that you need to reload.
It'd probably save a lot of time and effort to use a soft airgun as a base and convert into this.
just press magazine release button to reload my homie
But that's barely better than the pedal.
Nah you're still using the gun and not a weird ass peripheral thats unneeded. You just use the hands you're already using to hold the gun
There's a reason this was never implemented in any arcade. It's tedious and not fun. Would've required literally 2 cents worth of design, 2 different plastic magazines and 2 switches in the well you have to alternate, and you could even have a casual mode where you just have to drop the magazine into your hand then re-insert it for reloads.
Which is why it's funny that every single VR game insists upon it. Of all the garbage mechanics they could've added, the industry standard is the worst one.
Gonna rank all the lightguns I have from best to worst.
>PS1 GunCon
>Saturn Stunner/Virtua Gun
>Xbox MadCatz Blaster
>NES Zapper
>PS Move with handgun attachment
>Wii Zapper (would be okay if it wasn't lefthand oriented it's so awkward)
>Dreamcast MadCatz Blaster
Get a GunCon 2, it's basically the first one, just with more buttons and more sensible placement
I actually got one ordered in the mail as we speak. My buddy said it's by-far his favorite lightgun.
Anyone got experience trying to use a Wii remote for PC emulators for the sake of lightgun games?
I've read online about getting a special Mayflash or Dolphinbar sensor bar but I'd prefer not to buy any of that shit and just play with it synced via Bluetooth and using a normal wireless sensor bar if at-all possible.
>Anyone got experience trying to use a Wii remote for PC emulators for the sake of lightgun games?
Yeah, it is just as accurate as the Wii remote is on the Wii. Trash.
That may be but can ya tell me what you used to set it up? I imagine a PS Move controller would be slightly better but there's no support for it from what I can tell.
I used a Dolphin bar because other options weren't available at the time. If you buy a generic usb sensor bar it will work fine with Wii emulation itself itself which does give you access to some stuff like HOTD2 but is otherwise pretty limited.
I see. I'm hoping to get it working with MAME and TeknoParrot though that might be a bit too ambitious if I'm being honest. I had a blast emulating some racing vidya with my Thrustmaster T150 the other day and I felt the itch to try out some lightgun games as well.
>I'm hoping to get it working with MAME and TeknoParrot
You need to splash out and buy a Sinden or a GunIR. Which aren't really worth the cost of admission unless you are a pretty big fan of this stuff.
Check Craigslist etc for Sindens, you never know.
Full price seems stupid but in theory you have access to nearly every light gun game with them. I got a good deal on a set a month ago and I've basically just been playing them since.
I thought about getting a light gun but my sister told me she'd lose all respect for me if she saw me pointing a plastic gun toy at a screen and I started feeling like I should kill myself. Opinions?
How much is her respect actually worth?
She's my only friend dude
If she says that as your friend, tell her you don't want to be her brother.
It's as silly as using a Wii remote or VR headset. Order one and get her to try it. It's fun.
>he cares what a woman thinks about his hobbies
I know it's a shitpost but Point Blank is a great light gun game that normies love, she would enjoy it
If you are too much of a pussy to give a frick what your sister thinks, you dont deserve to play lightgun games anyway.
They don't work with zoomer displays