Astels are an entire species. You fight a bunch of adolescent Astels in the underground (the ones hanging from the ceiling) and a bunch of larval Astels app over the map (Falling Star Beasts).
Astels are the terminus of the Fallingstar Beast's lifecycle. Sometimes they fully grow in space, sometimes they crash to the Lands Between as juveniles.
The more interesting question is why is Astel purported to have destroyed Nokron when it's fully intact? And how did they get that Astel all the way down beneath the Lake of Rot? Why was Astel brought all the way past the Lake of Rot anyway? Seems like a logistical nightmare.
falling star beasts are baby astels? wtf? how did i miss this?
What made it click for me is that the tails are exactly the same. But more concretely, you can see an Astel's head crowning out of an adult Fallingstar Beast's head.
Both the Astel and Mature Fallingstarbeast have an anti-gravity AOE move where they lift their heads up, cast it and levitate everything around them and slam it back down. Both have identical color patterns and pincers.
>broken human skull is just something that grows out of this non-human creature >it also grows with a giant crack in the middle
This is unbearably stupid. Thanks for ruining it for me.
You see the equivalent. You see it's actually upside down and its legs are growing out of the "snake forehead".
The Astel has one eyeball in the middle of its had, peeering through an opening that just happens to look like a broken skull.
The human eye sockets and teeth are just mimicry >That doesn't make biological sense!"
It's an alien cosmic space monster anon, its resemblance to "Mad Man's knowledge" from BB is supposed to invoke a since of Lovecraftian horror.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>it just looks like a major fracture
That's a pathetic cop-out. The problem isn't that it doesn't make biological sense, the problem is that it looks like a broken skull. It's not even an alien skull, just a scaled-up human one. What purpose would it even serve? What's the point? It doesn't look intimidating (it implies it already got its skull caved in lol), it doesn't look scary, it doesn't look cool.
Was From just randomly slapping assets on the front of the model?
3 months ago
Anonymous
it's the same skull asset as the giant skeleton in Nokstella which you see all the time in the loading screen
it's literally just a copy pasted asset they put on bosses
3 months ago
Anonymous
>lying on the internet
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they just copy pasted a skull asset everywhere and let assburger morons on the internet fill in the blanks
3 months ago
Anonymous
>lying on the internet
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they just copy pasted a skull asset everywhere and let assburger morons on the internet fill in the blanks
3 months ago
Anonymous
>What's the point!
To be unnatural and terrifying. How would you feel if we came across an alien life form that looked exactly like a human in every way but it was actually a fruit harvested by other aliens to be eaten?
You may go "Well it's weird but it's not a human!" while some creature munches down on it but the reality is you would be extremely uncomfortable.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>How would you feel if we came across an alien life form that looked exactly like a human
I'd feel disappointed by the writer's lack of imagination. You know, just like we make fun of BioWare for the exact same reason? Kind of like that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
no but you don't understand... the spook factor!
3 months ago
Anonymous
Skulls and bones may spook the Chinese, but I believe horror that makes a kind of subtle, horrific sense is much scarier.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're just lack the spooky spirit, I see a human skull and I start doing my spooky fromsoft lore dance
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cutting out the point I was making that it was a fricking fruit just so you can go "lol like startrek"
You're a disingenuous frick you know that?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't mention or even refer to anything remotely related to Star Trek. You're the disingenuous one.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There is fundamentally no difference between bringing up Bioware's issue with humanoid aliens in Mass Effect and Star Trek's. It's the same argument.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>say X >THAT MEANS YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE SAID Y, WHICH I AM NOW GOING TO ARGUE AGAINST AND USE TO DISCREDIT YOU!!! >but I didn't say Y >WELL YOU MAY HAVE!
Frick off.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're an idiot. ST had mostly humanoid aliens because it was a live action production. ME could have had as many non-humanoid aliens as they wanted (and they do in fact have a handful of non-bipedal, non-humanoid races), but chose to make most of them humanoid for emotional and sexual appeal.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're the kind of seether that shits all over good media then watches netflix and seethes (and makes no art of his own)
Nobody bats an eye when the spider is carrying a huge skull on its back for multiple games straight but the space pokémon does twice and suddenly it's on the news for 2 years. Hypocrites.
Obviously that is how those one's get there. I'm asking if they spawn little dragonflys or if I'm just lost in the sauce. I hope they have nothing to so with the dragonflies personally.
Nah, I wouldn't think so. There's likely some old one sitting out in the void of space flinging it's eggs out, the make landfall, hatch into "star beasts" which then metamorphize into astels; who knows if that's even the end of the life cycle.
>"THE CREATOR HAS TO EXPLICILITY SPELL IT OUT FOR ME OR I CANT UNDERSTAND IT"
Why are zoomers like this?
Do they just not teach you how to use context in school anymore? Did you think the metamorphosis is actually just about some guy turning into a big bug?
>Falling star beast name states its a falling star >"Adult model" literally contains astels head, model rips show it even clearer
>"Duur the game doesn't LITERALLY say they are related, so they aren't!"
Your generation is so fricked when it comes to media literacy that its not even funny.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>fromsoft reuses models >AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH YOU DON'T GET IT, THERE HAS TO BE A LORE REASON AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Fallingstar beast is one of those iron pigs from DS1 with a hastily pasted skull on it
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lack of media literacy isn't something to be proud of.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
3 months ago
Anonymous
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I'm fairly confident it is a humiliation ritual that anons talk about. I cant fathom a rationale on why hed do something just to get made fun of for doing it, and then do it for years.
We call it being buck broken on other boards.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
3 months ago
Anonymous
I was just making a joke about the metamorphosis, not even the guy you are arguing with lol
Tell me the significance of the scene in Eraserhead where he checks into the mini-house or whatever and see a tiny dancing woman
as sad as it sounds, I've had a zoomer friend, who didnt knew the words connotative and denotative, and resorted to reading reddit opinions to inform him about the plot of Twin Peaks.
he is getting an eng major to become a teacher btw.
No, I just think their presence produces life around them, maybe from the blood they shed?
Astels are very much Onyx Lords mixed with Dragonflies, so I imagine they're both unrelated descendants from Astel.
Astels are the terminus of the Fallingstar Beast's lifecycle. Sometimes they fully grow in space, sometimes they crash to the Lands Between as juveniles.
The more interesting question is why is Astel purported to have destroyed Nokron when it's fully intact? And how did they get that Astel all the way down beneath the Lake of Rot? Why was Astel brought all the way past the Lake of Rot anyway? Seems like a logistical nightmare.
Can you show me where this is said in game or did you just watch a youtuber?
It's in elden ring the video game. Its visually represented so a wiki reader like you will never see it. Elden ring filters wikigays hard by having most of its actual lore not in item descriptions intentionally.
Images of the falling stars and astels are shown in thread they are clearly a life cycle of a single species.
>headcanon
moron you dont even play the game. You can see for yourself why they're different stages of the same organism, if you use your fricking eyes. Its incredibly obvious. They even have the same gravity attacks as people pointed out. How does it feel to know people will always call you out for saying shit you know is wrong? Why do this to yourself?
>designers create the monsters looking kind of same because they just create a tons of it >"SEE THEY HAVE THE NOSE ON THE SAME PLACE THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED!!!"
Oh frick off, this is why everyone makes fun of you morons.
It's kinda crazy people simply forgot about this dude existing when they fought the Naturalborn of the Void, like this is literally on your way to Nokstella to do Ranni's quest so you can't miss it. What made people think Astel was just one singular monster?
3 months ago
Anonymous
astel sounds like a name like astarion so they assume its a one person with a name unique. not a race of aliens
3 months ago
Anonymous
An astel Is a buttress in a mineshaft so it wint collapse. Astels come to the lands between to buttress the will of the elden beast so its hegemony wont collapse.
It was never a name of 1 being, it is a classification of a part of a life cycle.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anons were the first to explore the li ka between astels and fallingstsrs and the discord hates that.
Whenever anons are in the front leafing lore discoveries the sisters go into peak FUD (re: melina is GEQ) to muddle discussion as much as possible.
Look at the sister replying to 5 anons at once calling their posts headcanon. It is an established tactic of the trooncord at this point.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>melina is GEQ
Melina is the GEQ, though, that much is spelled out to you in the frenzied ending
The Melina is Marika shitposting is the moronic one
3 months ago
Anonymous
We know. The amount of FUD the discord made as anons talked about it is the actual topic being discussed.
They have a pattern of going full pants on head when we are having nice productive threads because they exist as a 6th column and nothing more.
>[shitposting stops]
Oh I am laffin
He always runs like a b***h when anons bring him up
Hes vowed like a dog that's been hit too many times. No fight left left in the lil guy
3 months ago
Anonymous
>melina is GEQ
Melina is the GEQ, though, that much is spelled out to you in the frenzied ending
The Melina is Marika shitposting is the moronic one
We know. The amount of FUD the discord made as anons talked about it is the actual topic being discussed.
They have a pattern of going full pants on head when we are having nice productive threads because they exist as a 6th column and nothing more.
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He always runs like a b***h when anons bring him up
Hes vowed like a dog that's been hit too many times. No fight left left in the lil guy
Melina is Marika is the GEQ. You are gay and autistic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Melina is the non-troony half of Marika
3 months ago
Anonymous
Correct
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think it's because "Astel, naturalborn of the void" sounds like a title for a singular entity
3 months ago
Anonymous
also the boss japanese names have nothing to do with their english translations
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well duh, the japanese is wildly mistranslated.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well duh, the japanese is wildly mistranslated.
what's the jap name for Astel?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Doesnt matter its mistranslated.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Japanese name is 暗黒の落とし子、アステール. Which I would translate as "Bastard of the Darkness, Astel".
3 months ago
Anonymous
You mistranslated it just like the japanese publishers.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Actually just coppied it from a reddit thread i googled, but let's see your attempt then.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Astel, naturalborn of the void. Easy peasy translation honestly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I concede.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I accept.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You mistranslated it just like the japanese publishers.
who do I believe??
3 months ago
Anonymous
Never believe the anon talking about japanese text, hes always using it as a tool to shitpost known fibs.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Considering elden ring doesn't even have a Japanese voice option (nor do any other souls games except sekiro) its a safe bet they make sure their English shit is accurate.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>its a safe bet they make sure their English shit is accurate
how can lore translations be accurate when there's no internal consistency to the lore to begin with
3 months ago
Anonymous
FROM clearly gives a shit about their English translations, and works with a publisher who has locations on site here in the west. Cope harder.
3 months ago
Anonymous
okay but how can lore translations be accurate when there's no internal consistency to the lore to begin with
3 months ago
Anonymous
the bastard one
3 months ago
Anonymous
There are so many different ways to view it if you want to assume fromsoft is trying to be clever.
There is a cultural and historical related usage of 落し子 which is specifically 戦争の落し子, which refers to children born from Japanese women with American soldiers after the war, and is viewed as humiliation (read this https://note.com/lawrenceyoshy/n/n19c2f8b305b6). 暗黒の落し子 is structured in the exact same way, aka it is 落し子 of a noun that does not represent an individual who can literally bear children, but more like a concept or an event and is something intangible that can have ramifications.
Another possible way is that it is written as a simple play on words. 落し子 has its own meaning as a full word in the dictionary, but it is composed of 2 words merged together and if you wanted you could read them as 2 separate words. 落とす is a transitive verb that has several possible meanings but the chief among them and it's "proper" meaning is to drop something. 子 being a child, baby, offspring, etc. So if they wanted to play on the meaning of the full word vs the meanings of the 2 separate words that compose it, they could have actually just meant something as simple as this is an offspring that was dropped here from above.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i'm still baffled that rom's actual japanese title essentially translates as "Rom, the idiot spider", really made me rethink what they meant by "vacuous" in the translation
3 months ago
Anonymous
It means the same thing just fancier sounding
3 months ago
Anonymous
ds2 u get chased by a reoccuring mob. you never see two astels in the same room. i think you're more moronic than you're making us out to be.
There’s been some schizo shit in fromsoft threads where one dude argues blatantly wrong shit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He did the same thing for all fromsoft games, he's a mentally ill spammer. He gets off spamming incorrect lore stuff and getting people to talk to him, he's that pathetic
3 months ago
Anonymous
He has a penchant for posting correct lore then posting nonsense to end the post. Then only arguing the nonsense everyone knows is wrong.
Or cpunterposting a claim no one has made yet like hes having achizo arguments with himself in his head as hes posting.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He doesnt play the games but does wiki reas a ton
If you discuss anything that is context sensitive it goes over his head because he cant read an items lore about it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He doesnt play the games but does wiki reas a ton
If you discuss anything that is context sensitive it goes over his head because he cant read an items lore about it.
I'm fairly confident it is a humiliation ritual that anons talk about. I cant fathom a rationale on why hed do something just to get made fun of for doing it, and then do it for years.
We call it being buck broken on other boards.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It is mighty peculiar i"ll give you that
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thats just how the younger generation is. When I was younger I was an idiot too, but I didn't proudly declare my stupidity from the rooftops. Like a badge of honor to be proud of.
Zoomers seem happy to live in their ignorance, mindlessly regurgitating garbage forever.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This isnt ignorance, this is willingly being the butt of a joke. That's lolcowery.
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
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I'm fairly confident it is a humiliation ritual that anons talk about. I cant fathom a rationale on why hed do something just to get made fun of for doing it, and then do it for years.
We call it being buck broken on other boards.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
3 months ago
Anonymous
Most lolcows are lolcows because they are mentally deficient.
you can see the head poking out of a fully grown falling star beast
The Falling Star Beast on Mt. Gelmir is growing an Astel skull-eye between it's pincers, it's literally a caterpillar/grub form of the big ones you fight. The ones hanging from the ceiling are just colorless Astel's, it's the exact same model. If you know anything about butterflies, dragonflies, moths, or insects in general, you can near-instantly infer they're the life cycle stages of some fricked up space bug. I despise "lore" Youtubers just as much as the next guy, but this specific case is just you being moronic. The null hypothesis you're pitching here is that all of these creatures that share design elements, came from the same place, and even use the same magic are somehow completely unrelated. Please use your brain next time.
> needs things explained to them explicitly
I'll bet you think David Lynch movies are pretentious and make no sense.
So it's just your interpretation of it? It's just weird that you make these long posts like it's lore stated in game when it's really just you filling in holes with your headcanon
I think the thought behind it was just oh weird alien boss, since they know they can just throw something in the game and people will spend hours trying to decipher it and figure out what it is when most likely the devs haven't even thought that far either
The Falling Star Beast on Mt. Gelmir is growing an Astel skull-eye between it's pincers, it's literally a caterpillar/grub form of the big ones you fight. The ones hanging from the ceiling are just colorless Astel's, it's the exact same model. If you know anything about butterflies, dragonflies, moths, or insects in general, you can near-instantly infer they're the life cycle stages of some fricked up space bug. I despise "lore" Youtubers just as much as the next guy, but this specific case is just you being moronic. The null hypothesis you're pitching here is that all of these creatures that share design elements, came from the same place, and even use the same magic are somehow completely unrelated. Please use your brain next time.
I need to watch 40 minutes youtube video about these guys, are they like brothers or something? Or clones? Or the grass one is a timetravelling form of a milk one?
presumably the things that radhan held back
speculations are that Astel would crash land on the battlefield when you kill radahn, he has an unused crashing animation
They're probably pissed off at mages given they're found in locations involving them and have the natural ability to use powerful gravity spells and Comet Azur.
It's hard to say, it's the same for the Onyx people who are violent towards everybody but capable of reasoning since they trained Radahn.
Astels are the terminus of the Fallingstar Beast's lifecycle. Sometimes they fully grow in space, sometimes they crash to the Lands Between as juveniles.
The more interesting question is why is Astel purported to have destroyed Nokron when it's fully intact? And how did they get that Astel all the way down beneath the Lake of Rot? Why was Astel brought all the way past the Lake of Rot anyway? Seems like a logistical nightmare.
>larval Astels app over the map (Falling Star Beasts).
literal schizo shit that ignores the fricking game
Astels are "malformed" FSBs, that's all
they're not muh bugs
What's your evidence that they're malformed FSBs instead of just the end of their life cycle? FSB adults have Astel's head crowning out of their heads. That's in-game. It's like how adult caterpillars, despite being adults, still have another life cycle to go through, that of a butterfly.
This was one of the c**tiest boss I have ever fought in fromsoftwares game. Not overly difficult but jesus christ I keep missing hits, my class is warrior.
Astels are the terminus of the Fallingstar Beast's lifecycle. Sometimes they fully grow in space, sometimes they crash to the Lands Between as juveniles.
The more interesting question is why is Astel purported to have destroyed Nokron when it's fully intact? And how did they get that Astel all the way down beneath the Lake of Rot? Why was Astel brought all the way past the Lake of Rot anyway? Seems like a logistical nightmare.
I don't think it's specifies what eternal city Astel destroys. It's probably Deeproot Depths. The river from Deeproot Depths also flows down to Ainsel River that eventually flows all the way to Astel's arena. You also pick up the Astel wing sword on the way down
>It's probably Deeproot Depths
But that one is implied to have been sunken by Marika. Otherwise it means Astel crashed into Leyndell Capital and sunk a whole city which isn't entirely outside the realm of possibility. >The river from Deeproot Depths also flows down to Ainsel River that eventually flows all the way to Astel's arena
That still seems like a logistical nightmare. They should have fricking killed it.
Leyndells citizens dont seem very bright. Theres a corpse of a Godzilla sized dragon covering 1/3 of the city, nobody has tried to excavate it piece by piece either to make things easier or to use the pieces of the dragons flesh and hide as weapons, since theres a few ingame made from them.
Did you miss the part where Dragon Cult becomes kosher in the GO, moron-kun? They left it there cause it doubles as a holy site for Dragon Cult Incantation enjoyer in the city.
Theres nothing in the game stating that they left the corpse of Granseax there you dumb homosexual. From a meta perspective its there to look cool.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Theres nothing in the game stating that they left the corpse of Granseax there you dumb homosexual.
The corpse of gransax being there makes you look dumb(er). Your dumb ass can even spell her name right lol.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you see a post saying >theres nothing I the game stating...
It is always the same shitposter looking to be humiliated ritualistically.
>But that one is implied to have been sunken by Marika.
Marika didn't and can't sink a city. The entire Nox population was genocided by the greater will itself (or alternatively, they killed themselves with the silver tears, and the GO said "god did it")
I figured it was a defensive sinking to stop that assault in the trailer. There isn't Nox stuff in the nameless city under Leyndell, after all, it's more old slums stuff.
My best guess is that they know everyone and their mothers are thirsting for it, so it gets relegated to a really important event like a new console. It's kind of smart, if this is it, because at least shows that they know they have gold in their hands.
genuinely what is the hold up? Is it the money men thinking it wouldn't be worth the effort or legal issues or what?
they remade demon's souls and it was a massive flop
3 months ago
Anonymous
>don't give people what they want >it flops >so now you have a reason to not give people what they want
MBAs huh?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's also not on PC, your point?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It sold 2M copies, though. And it released during a PS5 shortage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Explain your moronic reason to me on how exactly you think it was a flop?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not him but it sold basically exactly the same as the original demons souls despite from exploding in popularity and recognition
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't like it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i can't find sales numbers of from games but anway what the other anon said
i don't like it . i dont give a frick if it sells trillions copies or 3 copies i dont work for FS so sales dont affect me
IIRC there have been reports of FromSoft working on another Sony exclusive game, so I guess they're waiting until it releases to remaster/port Bloodborne to the PS5 and PC.
I have no stake in Ganker culture war but if I had to put money on it they could be releasing it to coincide with the 10 year anniversary and have just been quiet about it. Or in reality they dont care much to port it regardless of how much more exposure and success Fromsoftware has received since then.
I want to believe Sony knows full well it's a sought after title on all other platforms and are playing the long game to have it release with some big event and improvements.
But knowing From I think it's more a case of the codebase being absolute fricking spagetti hard coded with stone tablets to only, and only, work on the chips and wafers of the PS4. Reason we haven't heard anything is because Sony even hired NASA rocket scientists and super programmers with brains the size of blimps to reverse engineer it to work on PC/PS5, but there have been several failed attempts and several sucidies over the years of those involved to make sense of it.
Yes, I do believe From is incapable of making things work on anything but static hardware. I was there when Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring launched on PC.
Because the PS4 has been holding gaming back decades, why would they release their best game on a better platform where it could VASTLY outshine the original release with just a few small tweaks to an .ini file.
My guess is that Sony mostly cares about vanity and "the brand" rather than simply making easy money. They port games purely to increase exposure to the franchise going forward. The only way they'd ever bother to port Bloodborne is if they're actively making a sequel, which is shaky because even if they own the rights, there would be a lot of backlash if they continued it without From and it would also be more trouble than it's worth to always need to co-develop it with another studio. Bluepoint remake is likely, but even then I wouldn't hold my breath for PC unless Demons Souls show up first.
1. Spaghetti code mayhapsthoughbeit
2. Transparent anti-Jap game bias by nu-Sony. Every fricking PC release from Snoy for years now has been only their amateur melodrama cinematic slop. Take into account that TLoU 2 has now gotten 2 releases when The Last Guardian outsold it according to the leaks from a few months ago.
It's a Console Seller game. Lots of people bought PS4 just for it and they'll do the same for exclusive 60fps Remaster for PS6.
They just think that selling enough copies of PS6 because of the exclusive outweights the sales they'll get from porting it to PC.
They were paid to make a sony exclusive and made a sony exclusive. they don't give a frick what the fans want. they make big bucks and sony makes big bucks. the only ones they care about are happy.
genuinely what is the hold up? Is it the money men thinking it wouldn't be worth the effort or legal issues or what?
Because FromSoft doesnt hold the IP rights to it, Sony does, not to mention the studio that primarily worked on it, Japan Studio, got dissolved by Sony a year or two after it launched.
It doesnt help that Bloodborne was a console-seller as the PS4 had just launched a year prior in 2014
To put it simply, The lack of a PC Bloodborne release is a tale of greed and sales figures, and if they could, I'm sure Sony would try the same thing with every FromSoft game they could.
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Because FromSoft doesnt hold the IP rights to it, Sony does, not to mention the studio that primarily worked on it, Japan Studio, got dissolved by Sony a year or two after it launched.
It doesnt help that Bloodborne was a console-seller as the PS4 had just launched a year prior in 2014
To put it simply, The lack of a PC Bloodborne release is a tale of greed and sales figures, and if they could, I'm sure Sony would try the same thing with every FromSoft game they could.
My theory is that they're holding on a Bloodborne remaster for launch PS6, just like Demon Souls. It's the only good answer
After all, why would anyone with more than two digits IQ buy a PS6 when the PS5 literally has no games? The answer to that is a BB remaster
3 months ago
Anonymous
>PS4 is notorious for having almost no games >PS5 is notorious for having zero games >PS6 is notorious for both issues >the latter two being carried by demakes of decades old games
3 months ago
Anonymous
>PS6 is notorious for both issues
Frick off time traveler.
Every time I see footage from BB, I'm shocked at how choppy it looks. I never thought I'd be this kind of snobby but it is slideshow tier compared to any other Souls game. At least DeS can be easily boosted to 60fps in RPCS3 and the only tradeoff is the camera panning speed in cutscenes.
Because it's like $10 and that watermark won't annoy you anymore, but I guess you would argue that anon doesn't find that annoying at all, which to me is troublesome and hard to believe.
i found it more annoying when i watched movies than played games
only reason i got it removed was because my bother told me . or i wouldn't know it was that cheap to get rid of it
This. Just search MAS on Bing and click on the first Github link. Ironically enough Bing is the only engine that will give you the correct result when you search MAS
Humiliation ritual thread so anons will bully dragonirian into the grave.
This entire thread is a redux we've done numerous times
Stop humoring this desperate lolcow.
Wile how consistently this kills a thread. Only assumption is that dragon guy really is spamming all these shitpost threads. Mentioning him wouldnt consistently kill posting otherwise.
Anyone else had a bug (?) with his Consecrated Snowield version where after he teleported like 10 of him spawned at once all around the arena and then all went for a grab??? what the frick????
NTA I just wanted to point out your moronism even more with the pre forms of Astel upside down in caves is another further stage along its growth representing its chrysalis phase before it sprouts wings so yes the falling star beasts turn into astels, and yes you are moronic
They're aliens that physically fall out of the sky, something Radahn was trying to prevent
They grow from fallingstar beasts
They like shiny things, one of them destroyed the nox city below Leyendell to steal its fake stars (found in its own boss arena)
They don't like anything that is alive
Oddly they seem to use the same gravity magic as the dark elves (onyx and alabaster aliens), but the dark elves are apparently not universally hostile to life since one taught Radahn
Alabaster and onyx Lords hold the pastels at bay in space.
Alabasters repel, onyxes attract. Together you can hold something in place. They are a good guy faction and also truly alien so they dont look like they are helping but everything they do is helping and teaching on how to deal with these monstrosities.
Well yeah. They teach radahn how to hold the astels back
They didnt have to come to the lands between at all but still did. It's pretty selfless for a random faction in a from software game.
They were likely called by the Nox of the Eternal City, who also used gravity magic like the Eternal Darkness. The Nox were using gravity magic to open a portal to the cosmos so they could frick off from the Greater Will but that ended up a two way street for Astel to come in.
The Eternal City got destroyed but the Alabaster lords seem to have stuck around and helped form Sellia along with the Nox remants and the students from Raya Lucaria coming in later to learn from them.
3 months ago
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>Raya Lucaria
Such a badass name, lads.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Moon rays.
3 months ago
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Moon rays.
Raya - friend
Lucaria - grove
The school got their magics from the ancestors.
Because Miyazaki is a hack this boss repeats btw the second time you find him at the ice cave he is way harder.
Anyway your weapon is shit you should be using a Cold Cross-Naginata it's the best weapon in the game pair it with a brass shield or stonefingerprint shield.
That's because they first created the map, then decided where each enemy was going to be, so eventually they ran out of models. The game is too big. Beautiful, but big.
Unironically Godefroy (the copypasted Godrick boss) is one of the most important dudes in the lore because he's hinted at having a hand in Godwyn's death and causing the first siege of Leyndell lmao
The repeat bosses really drag down ER from a 9/10 to a 6/10. Nothing more disheartening than exploring a new awesome location only to find a copy of a boss you fought earlier but with more health and damage so even though you've leveled up the fight plays out the same. There's not even the satisfaction of seeing how much stronger you've become because you can 4-shot the magma drake in Volcano Manor after struggling against the magma drake near the Caelid border.
>A creature that should be incomprehensible to the human mind
Why would any alien being be incomprehensible? Sides we already have the various gods and such anyways for that and we know space is full of life and there are other aliens like the big eye guys in the lake. Astel is just a big space bug.
>A creature that should be incomprehensible to the human mind
Why would any alien being be incomprehensible? Sides we already have the various gods and such anyways for that and we know space is full of life and there are other aliens like the big eye guys in the lake. Astel is just a big space bug.
honestly, it makes it more compelling to have the skull. if its JUST an unidentifiable "thing", then its written off as "just a space bug". kind of like the elden beast just being a weird blob thing. by having something familiar and something that we can connect to ourselves, it makes us question stuff. if its just a mass of randomness, we write it off as "just some space bug". does it have intelligence? are we connected? what are the implications? etc etc etc.
>does it have intelligence?
It's a FromSoft game, so demonstrably not. >what are the implications? It's a FromSoft game, so there's probably no reason beyond reusing assets.
>It's a FromSoft game, so there's probably no reason beyond reusing assets.
well realistically, yeah. but for people that enjoy autism and putting too much thought into things, theres more potential for introspection and reaction with relatable/familiar features than if it were just some blob thing that evokes nothing.
What does any of this have to do with trannies
Man
3 months ago
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>Man You will never be one
3 months ago
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3 months ago
Anonymous
Troons push bad theories. This is an instance of that. Your initial incredulity at its claims were on the money. It cant be real, because it isnt.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There is a shizo who ruins Elden ring threads who calls everybody a troony.
Ususally names like "Shin/Goldgay/Eric/Dragorian" soon follow and nobody really know what's going on.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is dragonirian. He hates people talking about him so he made a fake dox on it
Hes done a fake dox on eric, italiano, and farquaad (all shitposting personas hes had to burn) hes also sharty (image is from a mario thread lol)
3 months ago
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>He's also sharty
In thought Sharty was /qa/?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Same troon. You can find an unedited version of that pic by searching "eric" in archives.
The Dragonirian persona is the real him (13 year old account), he posts using multiple personas across multiple boards (italianon is from Ganker for instance)
3 months ago
Anonymous
Now that's what I call mental illness
3 months ago
Anonymous
I kneel!
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you look at his steam profile you see is eternally seething about the seamless coop mod
3 months ago
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The anons fricking with him are top lads.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Troons push bad theories. This is an instance of that. Your initial incredulity at its claims were on the money. It cant be real, because it isnt.
You have schizophrenia. Not everyone who disagrees with you on ER lore is as moronic as you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I was there for this. Peak comedy gold.
Over mario sidescrollers lol.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dragonir and his crony always kvetch at this type of thing, buy they also always leave when it happens lol.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Facts
3 months ago
Anonymous
Getting real sick of this homosexual. Like every elden ring thread >Some insane easily disprovable lore theory >calls you a troony >refuses to back is claims
It was mind blowing when I figured out that eveyr homosexual I have ever argued with in these threads was the same guy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Post the images anons use when you think its him. You'll see that the shitposting stops or the thread dies because all posts were him.
Talking about him always gets him to leave.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why does he hate Elden Ring lore discussion?
3 months ago
Anonymous
He has a mental illness.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It isnt just ER lore he does this everywhere and has done it for years. It's a brain issue, his is broken.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The real answer is insecurity. He valued Ganker as part of his personality so wants to be in on the ground floor. He cant into the lore though so he cant be part of our lore threads. Since he cant be a part he decides to ruin them.
He does this for a ton of topics, the underlining problem is he is insecure.
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Elden Beast doesn't have spines and only has 2 arms and legs, dipshit. It's based on the Laniakea Galactic Supercluster.
>It's not
look at Elden Beast's design, it's clearly a hallucigenia with an astral body like the Nightwalker from form Princess Mononoke. >It doesn't have multiple arms and legs
And? It doesn't need to be a 1:1 anatomical representation of the damn worm it just shares a general body structure.
Attack on Titan finished within recent memory, the big reveal in that series was a crystal worm like creature grafted itself to Ymir's spine and gave her the power to transform into a Titan that looks like Hallucigenia composed of human parts.
It's then revealed that the worm is in fact a descendent of Hallucigenia, because when the Mangaka was writing it a scientific breakthrough in fossil studies gave a far more accurate idea of what the worm's anatomy was like hit the world news.
With the concept of the Ring needing a host to create a goddess why wouldn't Miyazacki make the monster look like worm-kun?
3 months ago
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>With the concept of the Ring needing a host to create a goddess why wouldn't Miyazacki make the monster look like worm-kun?
Because princess mononoke exists
3 months ago
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>Nightwalker is a big astral body resembling a deer-man >Elden beast is a big astral body resembling Hallucigenia
I think you're starting to get it.
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>And? It doesn't need to be a 1:1 anatomical representation of the damn worm it just shares a general body structure.
If it doesn't even have multiple pairs of limbs it doesn't have the same body structure. >Attack on Titan finished within recent memory
And it was a horrific international embarassment. Also Elden Ring was already in development for years at that point.
Two things can be true
it's obviously supposed to be a celestial nervous system. That tracks with all the ideas about roots and control, but also it's worm like because it's parasitic.
Also if the meme fits
i doubt there's many like that but i guess you right
i bet even DeS got reused assets from king field
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The spider from DeS is reused from another game From released like a week prior to DeS. Can't remember its name but it bombed. It was a poor imitation of DMC
We talk about dragonirian all the time now that's why hes spamming in a melty rn
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
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I'm fairly confident it is a humiliation ritual that anons talk about. I cant fathom a rationale on why hed do something just to get made fun of for doing it, and then do it for years.
We call it being buck broken on other boards.
honestly i completed the game 3 times and every time i saw "godfry" or "godefroy" or "godfith" or whatever other shit name i assumed it was the same guy
Yes that's shitty because they're 100% identical.
If they had to make the assets 100% identical, then why not pretend evergaols contain the dudes souls you fight and be done with it? Since all evergaols are just reskins of regular enemies/bosses anyway. They could repeat everyone once if they wanted if they just called them souls instead of making new OCs that look the same just because.
>Yes that's shitty because they're 100% identical.
One is named Godfrey and is in Stormveil, the other is named Godefroy and in an evergaol.
They aren't identical.
They are not identical. Godfrey is the owner of a Stormveil Castle who grafts a fricking dragon to his hand.
Godefroy is an imprisoned criminal fighting with just his trusty Axe.
Then they should remove the crown from his model and replace the axe. Also take out the laugh sfx and the goofy moves.
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What happened in actuality is probably something like this >GRRM shits out another character who is ultimately largely irrelevant to the overall story, and has a name that's almost indistinguishable to an existing character >FROM: Frick, we really don't give a shit about this guy, and we can't find a place to put him >FROM: Hey, he's Godricks ancestor, right? Just fricking put him in a gaol somewhere
Godefroy is Godfrey's relative. He was involved in the first siege on Leyndell, Royal Capital, but was defeated and captured by Kristoff, the Ancient Dragon Knight, after which he was imprisoned in an Evergaol.
Hes tricking his brother so he can start the moghwyn dynasty without interference. To his jailer hes where he is supposed to be, while hes off starting a dynasty in error.
It's probably left over from when he was just a generic omen. Probably didn't have time to make another fight after he was elevated to Morgotts brother.
As for the lore implication, there's nothing really except that Mohg (and Morgott) try to keep the player away from the Frenzied Flame.
I like to think Omens are naturally capable of projecting/invading other worlds and Mogh was trying to prevent you from reaching the 3 Fingers just like Morgot was trying to prevent you from getting your first great rune.
He's guarding that passage way to the 3 fingers. He's a Margit styled illusion created by Mohg or by Morgott to serve such a purpose.
Him having the title of "Omen King" suggests that before Mohg went off to create his Dynasty he was charged with maintaining order for the other outcasted Omen nobility.
It isnt a translation of eldritch. Naturalborn is a classy way to say bastard. >who was the father? >the child is naturalborn
It is a way to sidestep discussing the parentage of a known bastard.
They looked back on the copypasted bosses DS2 had and decided since they were making an open world they would double triple quadruple down on the copypaste so that out of a 100+ bosses less than 10 are unique.
I remember seeing all the b***hing about this on release and wondering how so many idiots failed to notice the "malformed star" enemies were Astel models devoid of color.
Only explanation I can think of is not a single person b***hing had gotten close to the things.
I'll never get why people get so pissy and mad over stuff like Elden Ring containing world building via things like design elements just because they're not directly important to the plot and aren't explicitly brought up. Fallen Star Beasts evolving into Astels aren't super important to the overall plot but it's obviously very much a thing and it's just one of the many things that hint / illustrate at Elden Ring taking place in a small chunk of a cosmic setting where there's shit in space doing crap and how we have to deal with aspects of that.
>elden ring lore is moronic >somebody claims actually it's the best thing ever >why >uh because this recycled enemy from DS1 has the same asset pasted on it as this recycled enemy from bloodborne and this is the 1000th time I've brought it up since release
Well it's not "liking something", it's mental illness. You'd be hard pressed to find somebody as mentally ill as elden ring loretrannies even on /vg/
Claiming a game needs to be talked about for this long and the reason is "this enemy has the same copy pasted skull asset as this one" is pretty demented. Especially when you know both enemies are reskinned bosses from games that came out over 10 years ago
when you glue a skull on the fang boar from DS1 is it suddenly mind melting 4D lore implications?
3 months ago
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When you glue the crowbar from HL1 onto the character controller code from Quake is it suddenly a new game? Apparently not, according to you.
3 months ago
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okay but when you glue a skull on the fang boar from DS1 is it suddenly mind melting 4D lore implications?
3 months ago
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Nope, and quake and HL1 are the same video game.
3 months ago
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>Nope
Okay so these threads don't have a point if pasting reused assets on reused bosses don't have any actual lore implications and are red herrings for aspies
Probably leftoids ironically. Every time they try to mock right wingers they only end up boosting them and making themselves look moronic and evil. Kinda like with stonetoss and amogus
The autism in this thread is a special phenomenon. There is this idea to Dark Souls that Ganker has that isn't actually accurate but became close.
I hate asset re-use but understand that even your biggest AAA games and many beloved classics are going to do it to cut corners if they're able to, especially rpgs. But Ganker pretends like Dark Souls raised the bar.
DaS did a really good job for its first half. It uses enemies sparsely, some even only encounterable once or twice. The game places great emphasis on item location, npc location and even tries to integrate its game mechanics into the lore. Undead being canonically immortal to explain bonfire revival, Time being convoluted to explain multiplayer and the ruinous post apocalyptic setting devoid of bustling rpg ubisoft towns to set the cold, lifeless and empty world of AA videogame design as something natural.
This of course, all goes to shit with the second half with even them shamelessly re-using Pinwheel without explanation, but what it created was this obsession thats been used to shit on every future From installment with the exception of BB (which does it pretty badly in Chalice Dungeons)
If you look at most modern media people consume its all completely absent of any underlying theming or thought. Marvel slop designs are the most surface level thing imaginable, and shows/films don't really try to "say" anything anymore. So when a series actually does those things people don't even notice. Then they assume the people who do notice something that isn't literally spelled out to the audience are just making it up for some ulterior motive, like social media points.
Any lore reason is just an excuse to recycle the boss lmao
Elden Ring does this multiple times with not only dungeon bosses but major story bosses too.
It bothers me that I found this dude in a cave before finding him in the lore battle
I really hope the DLC remixes everything and gets rid of the copypasted stuff
Both of them are in caves.
However, it seems like Astel was originally supposed to be fought just after Radahn, in the same area. Radahns meteor attack was actually Astels entry into the arena, presumably.
I wish the ranni quest one was removed from the game, and the only Astel you'd find would be the one in the snowy cave
Would have been so spooky seeing this weird alien lifeform for the first time in the dark cave
They should've made a Rot boss to put there. It makes no sense why you're in the place where the Outer God of Rot was sealed, then you take a coffin down a waterfall (of rot) only to end up in a place that's entirely devoid of rot AND houses an alien
>IT'S IN THE GAME >NO THAT LINE, THAT'S LOCALIZER CHANGING THE TRANSLATION >NO NOT THAT LINE EITHER, THAT DOESN'T COUNT >YES THAT LINE THAT AGREES WITH MY NARRATIVE PROVES EVERYTHING
humiliating
Mother Albinaurics like Ophelia (Lattena's big sister).
Their thrones are integrated into temple structures and judging by the fact that they're simply dead and it would be difficult to leave those structures, they likely couldn't walk or move to begin with, much like Ophelia who is seemingly forever comatose.
Nox society was built around taking silver tears and giving them permanent form as a means to play god and create basically anything. At their peak it's likely most of their population was artificial.
Hell if you look closely at Claymen you'll see they have mercury in their backs implying they're the most ancient attempt at creating homonculi from silver tears.
>At their peak it's likely most of their population was artificial.
GO is doing the same raising beasts up to humanoid form. Dragons did the same.
Deep deep lore is most life is artificial scraps going thru the motions for fake gods.
Both Rom bosses are projections, the real one is the petrified corpse Ebrietas prays at.
Chalice Dungeons are projections of the past, and the Ebrietas in the dungeons is when the Choir found her.
If you Astel autists don't shut the frick up we're going to get a Fallingstar Beast with wings and an even more cancerous moveset in the DLC just to hammer the point home some more.
I always hated this because the first Astel in the Nox city is actually significant. He's literally a punishment from the Greater Will itself for their defiance.
Then there's this one in the middle of the concentrated snow field in a fricking mine for no explainable reason. What was he helping people in butt frick nowhere mine? God it drives me insane, it makes no sense.
everything referring to the greater will was fromsoft desperately trying to tie up loose ends created by them mashing the lore into paste, it's so obvious
if you acknowledge that everything mentioned in the net of greater will lore is an afterthought it really shines a light on the game >two fingers/three fingers complete afterthought >elden beast ending of the game complete afterthought >Nokron and Nokstella a complete afterthought >ranni's quest a complete afterthought >empyreans a complete afterthought
everything referring to the greater will was fromsoft desperately trying to tie up loose ends created by them mashing the lore into paste, it's so obvious
if you acknowledge that everything mentioned in the net of greater will lore is an afterthought it really shines a light on the game >two fingers/three fingers complete afterthought >elden beast ending of the game complete afterthought >Nokron and Nokstella a complete afterthought >ranni's quest a complete afterthought >empyreans a complete afterthought
How much did the Three Fingers pay you to say that, Tarnished? What next, you gonna say that Goldmask is a fraud too?
There are Astel all over the place, I don't see why the ice cave one would piss you off.
>concentrated snow field in a fricking mine for no explainable reason.
anon, in case you didn't notice, all mines i nthe game are on top of meteors!
And the arena of said mines is the meteor crater.
likewise, meteor craters can be seen near some alabaster lords.
and craters in the overworld have falling star beasts in them.
this is so fricking heavily shown that you literally get a crater in mt gelmir after you beat Radahn who was holding them back.
Not to mention the ?nox? cult monks who do a T pose near quite several alabaster lords and meteor crater sites signifying that there is a freaking meteor related creature nearby
then you have an astel in a mine in CONSECRATED(not concentrated you moron) snow fields with all its miners FRICKING DEAD, and an alabaster lord guarding it.
>this is so fricking heavily shown that you literally get a crater in mt gelmir after you beat Radahn who was holding them back.
Uhm, I agree with everything except for this - the Crater and Fallingstar Beast in it are present on Mt. Gelmir from the start of the game, while Rahdan is fully alive. You can go there straight from the starting crypt, without ever even seeing Caelid.
The dudes at the meteor crashes are called Starcallers in guides, refered to only by the meteorite fan and chunks. They're supposed to be mage larpers which may explain why they dress like hobos.
There's 2 of everything. Marika is Radagon, Godfrey is Horax Loux, Godrick and Godefroy etc.
The world of golden order has a need to balance itself. Thats why set of twins are so prevelent and why Ranni had to kill Godwyn's soul to kill her body. Everything is basically math and work's by nature of equations.
game reuses like every fricking boss. pretty sad. no other dark souls game did this except 2 with smelter demon and even then he was at least recolored and was obviously supposed to be something else.
>Taurus and Capra Demon made into regular enemies >Pinwheel minis found randomly in ToG >Moonlight Butterflies all over Crystal Cave >Asylum Demon 3 times. >Steel Boar reused several times. >Dragon assess spammed all over Izailith with no explanation.
I don't recall it doing well against them, but maybe I was using a different weapon at the time? I can't really remember; I would periodically switch between weapons to test out them out. It was really easy to reset your build at any time, so at one point I just kept changing my build.
Astels are an entire species. You fight a bunch of adolescent Astels in the underground (the ones hanging from the ceiling) and a bunch of larval Astels app over the map (Falling Star Beasts).
falling star beasts are baby astels? wtf? how did i miss this?
What made it click for me is that the tails are exactly the same. But more concretely, you can see an Astel's head crowning out of an adult Fallingstar Beast's head.
damn i never even noticed that
Both the Astel and Mature Fallingstarbeast have an anti-gravity AOE move where they lift their heads up, cast it and levitate everything around them and slam it back down. Both have identical color patterns and pincers.
Yeah, the life cycle of Astel is based on Antlions
how come theres no baby antlion enemies
Fallingstar beast (which are found in craters, which look like antlion funnels)
I wish the DLC was exploring the stars with Ranni and seeing all the cool alien creatures and then it more and more scifi towards the end
You can see the Astel skull starting to poke out of the fully grown falling star beast
I wish you hadn't pointed that out. It creeps me out.
Damn, on the easiet one even, of course i hadn't seen it.
>broken human skull is just something that grows out of this non-human creature
>it also grows with a giant crack in the middle
This is unbearably stupid. Thanks for ruining it for me.
Yeah anon it's Fromsoft, they use re-used assets all the time.
First time playing a fromsoft game?
>Animal has a part that looks identical to another animal's part
>That's stupid!
at least those caterpillars got the size right
I don't see a giant fricking hole in that.
You see the equivalent. You see it's actually upside down and its legs are growing out of the "snake forehead".
The Astel has one eyeball in the middle of its had, peeering through an opening that just happens to look like a broken skull.
The human eye sockets and teeth are just mimicry
>That doesn't make biological sense!"
It's an alien cosmic space monster anon, its resemblance to "Mad Man's knowledge" from BB is supposed to invoke a since of Lovecraftian horror.
>it just looks like a major fracture
That's a pathetic cop-out. The problem isn't that it doesn't make biological sense, the problem is that it looks like a broken skull. It's not even an alien skull, just a scaled-up human one. What purpose would it even serve? What's the point? It doesn't look intimidating (it implies it already got its skull caved in lol), it doesn't look scary, it doesn't look cool.
Was From just randomly slapping assets on the front of the model?
it's the same skull asset as the giant skeleton in Nokstella which you see all the time in the loading screen
it's literally just a copy pasted asset they put on bosses
>lying on the internet
>they just copy pasted a skull asset everywhere and let assburger morons on the internet fill in the blanks
>lying on the internet
>they just copy pasted a skull asset everywhere and let assburger morons on the internet fill in the blanks
>What's the point!
To be unnatural and terrifying. How would you feel if we came across an alien life form that looked exactly like a human in every way but it was actually a fruit harvested by other aliens to be eaten?
You may go "Well it's weird but it's not a human!" while some creature munches down on it but the reality is you would be extremely uncomfortable.
>How would you feel if we came across an alien life form that looked exactly like a human
I'd feel disappointed by the writer's lack of imagination. You know, just like we make fun of BioWare for the exact same reason? Kind of like that.
no but you don't understand... the spook factor!
Skulls and bones may spook the Chinese, but I believe horror that makes a kind of subtle, horrific sense is much scarier.
You're just lack the spooky spirit, I see a human skull and I start doing my spooky fromsoft lore dance
>Cutting out the point I was making that it was a fricking fruit just so you can go "lol like startrek"
You're a disingenuous frick you know that?
I didn't mention or even refer to anything remotely related to Star Trek. You're the disingenuous one.
There is fundamentally no difference between bringing up Bioware's issue with humanoid aliens in Mass Effect and Star Trek's. It's the same argument.
>say X
>THAT MEANS YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE SAID Y, WHICH I AM NOW GOING TO ARGUE AGAINST AND USE TO DISCREDIT YOU!!!
>but I didn't say Y
>WELL YOU MAY HAVE!
Frick off.
You're an idiot. ST had mostly humanoid aliens because it was a live action production. ME could have had as many non-humanoid aliens as they wanted (and they do in fact have a handful of non-bipedal, non-humanoid races), but chose to make most of them humanoid for emotional and sexual appeal.
You're the kind of seether that shits all over good media then watches netflix and seethes (and makes no art of his own)
Nobody bats an eye when the spider is carrying a huge skull on its back for multiple games straight but the space pokémon does twice and suddenly it's on the news for 2 years. Hypocrites.
Cause everyone acknowledges that Zelda is bad
>Eyes INSIDE your head!!
>yoooo dis furry rhino becomes a winged space man-bug woah that makes sense n shit to my brain because im moronic
remember when bait was believable?
>not stupid
become a rhino then homosexual
>elephant throws stick
>rhino's mind is blown in disbelief
based
that chad elephant would have absolutely rocked the virgin rhino, like sent it flying 30 feet in the air
>Fallingstar Beast
Pretty crazy how they're more dangerous before they mature
Do you think the dragonflies are an even more larval form? Or does it start with the beasts?
Given they are sitting in craters and shit, I think they make landfall as a hunk of obsidian, then grow from there.
Obviously that is how those one's get there. I'm asking if they spawn little dragonflys or if I'm just lost in the sauce. I hope they have nothing to so with the dragonflies personally.
Nah, I wouldn't think so. There's likely some old one sitting out in the void of space flinging it's eggs out, the make landfall, hatch into "star beasts" which then metamorphize into astels; who knows if that's even the end of the life cycle.
Please learn how to write properly!
Theyre the metapods, beasts are the caterpie.
Where is that stated in game?
>"THE CREATOR HAS TO EXPLICILITY SPELL IT OUT FOR ME OR I CANT UNDERSTAND IT"
Why are zoomers like this?
Do they just not teach you how to use context in school anymore? Did you think the metamorphosis is actually just about some guy turning into a big bug?
It's not?
>Falling star beast name states its a falling star
>"Adult model" literally contains astels head, model rips show it even clearer
>"Duur the game doesn't LITERALLY say they are related, so they aren't!"
Your generation is so fricked when it comes to media literacy that its not even funny.
>fromsoft reuses models
>AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH YOU DON'T GET IT, THERE HAS TO BE A LORE REASON AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Fallingstar beast is one of those iron pigs from DS1 with a hastily pasted skull on it
Lack of media literacy isn't something to be proud of.
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
I was just making a joke about the metamorphosis, not even the guy you are arguing with lol
Answer this one please mr Pseudo hipster
>mental reject defending elden shart's lore
>posts kafka
yup, it's a redditor
as sad as it sounds, I've had a zoomer friend, who didnt knew the words connotative and denotative, and resorted to reading reddit opinions to inform him about the plot of Twin Peaks.
he is getting an eng major to become a teacher btw.
zoomies ARE FRICKING BRAIN DEAD!
No, I just think their presence produces life around them, maybe from the blood they shed?
Astels are very much Onyx Lords mixed with Dragonflies, so I imagine they're both unrelated descendants from Astel.
Can you show me where this is said in game or did you just watch a youtuber?
It's in elden ring the video game. Its visually represented so a wiki reader like you will never see it. Elden ring filters wikigays hard by having most of its actual lore not in item descriptions intentionally.
Images of the falling stars and astels are shown in thread they are clearly a life cycle of a single species.
>it's my headcanon
>that means it's true
moron
I accept your concession
>headcanon
moron you dont even play the game. You can see for yourself why they're different stages of the same organism, if you use your fricking eyes. Its incredibly obvious. They even have the same gravity attacks as people pointed out. How does it feel to know people will always call you out for saying shit you know is wrong? Why do this to yourself?
>Why do this to yourself?
Unironically part of an ongoing humiliation ritual. I'm not joking.
>designers create the monsters looking kind of same because they just create a tons of it
>"SEE THEY HAVE THE NOSE ON THE SAME PLACE THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED!!!"
Oh frick off, this is why everyone makes fun of you morons.
It's kinda crazy people simply forgot about this dude existing when they fought the Naturalborn of the Void, like this is literally on your way to Nokstella to do Ranni's quest so you can't miss it. What made people think Astel was just one singular monster?
astel sounds like a name like astarion so they assume its a one person with a name unique. not a race of aliens
An astel Is a buttress in a mineshaft so it wint collapse. Astels come to the lands between to buttress the will of the elden beast so its hegemony wont collapse.
It was never a name of 1 being, it is a classification of a part of a life cycle.
Anons were the first to explore the li ka between astels and fallingstsrs and the discord hates that.
Whenever anons are in the front leafing lore discoveries the sisters go into peak FUD (re: melina is GEQ) to muddle discussion as much as possible.
Look at the sister replying to 5 anons at once calling their posts headcanon. It is an established tactic of the trooncord at this point.
>melina is GEQ
Melina is the GEQ, though, that much is spelled out to you in the frenzied ending
The Melina is Marika shitposting is the moronic one
We know. The amount of FUD the discord made as anons talked about it is the actual topic being discussed.
They have a pattern of going full pants on head when we are having nice productive threads because they exist as a 6th column and nothing more.
He always runs like a b***h when anons bring him up
Hes vowed like a dog that's been hit too many times. No fight left left in the lil guy
Melina is Marika is the GEQ. You are gay and autistic.
Melina is the non-troony half of Marika
Correct
I think it's because "Astel, naturalborn of the void" sounds like a title for a singular entity
also the boss japanese names have nothing to do with their english translations
Well duh, the japanese is wildly mistranslated.
what's the jap name for Astel?
Doesnt matter its mistranslated.
The Japanese name is 暗黒の落とし子、アステール. Which I would translate as "Bastard of the Darkness, Astel".
You mistranslated it just like the japanese publishers.
Actually just coppied it from a reddit thread i googled, but let's see your attempt then.
Astel, naturalborn of the void. Easy peasy translation honestly.
I concede.
I accept.
who do I believe??
Never believe the anon talking about japanese text, hes always using it as a tool to shitpost known fibs.
Considering elden ring doesn't even have a Japanese voice option (nor do any other souls games except sekiro) its a safe bet they make sure their English shit is accurate.
>its a safe bet they make sure their English shit is accurate
how can lore translations be accurate when there's no internal consistency to the lore to begin with
FROM clearly gives a shit about their English translations, and works with a publisher who has locations on site here in the west. Cope harder.
okay but how can lore translations be accurate when there's no internal consistency to the lore to begin with
the bastard one
There are so many different ways to view it if you want to assume fromsoft is trying to be clever.
There is a cultural and historical related usage of 落し子 which is specifically 戦争の落し子, which refers to children born from Japanese women with American soldiers after the war, and is viewed as humiliation (read this https://note.com/lawrenceyoshy/n/n19c2f8b305b6). 暗黒の落し子 is structured in the exact same way, aka it is 落し子 of a noun that does not represent an individual who can literally bear children, but more like a concept or an event and is something intangible that can have ramifications.
Another possible way is that it is written as a simple play on words. 落し子 has its own meaning as a full word in the dictionary, but it is composed of 2 words merged together and if you wanted you could read them as 2 separate words. 落とす is a transitive verb that has several possible meanings but the chief among them and it's "proper" meaning is to drop something. 子 being a child, baby, offspring, etc. So if they wanted to play on the meaning of the full word vs the meanings of the 2 separate words that compose it, they could have actually just meant something as simple as this is an offspring that was dropped here from above.
i'm still baffled that rom's actual japanese title essentially translates as "Rom, the idiot spider", really made me rethink what they meant by "vacuous" in the translation
It means the same thing just fancier sounding
ds2 u get chased by a reoccuring mob. you never see two astels in the same room. i think you're more moronic than you're making us out to be.
There’s been some schizo shit in fromsoft threads where one dude argues blatantly wrong shit.
He did the same thing for all fromsoft games, he's a mentally ill spammer. He gets off spamming incorrect lore stuff and getting people to talk to him, he's that pathetic
He has a penchant for posting correct lore then posting nonsense to end the post. Then only arguing the nonsense everyone knows is wrong.
Or cpunterposting a claim no one has made yet like hes having achizo arguments with himself in his head as hes posting.
He doesnt play the games but does wiki reas a ton
If you discuss anything that is context sensitive it goes over his head because he cant read an items lore about it.
I'm fairly confident it is a humiliation ritual that anons talk about. I cant fathom a rationale on why hed do something just to get made fun of for doing it, and then do it for years.
We call it being buck broken on other boards.
It is mighty peculiar i"ll give you that
Thats just how the younger generation is. When I was younger I was an idiot too, but I didn't proudly declare my stupidity from the rooftops. Like a badge of honor to be proud of.
Zoomers seem happy to live in their ignorance, mindlessly regurgitating garbage forever.
This isnt ignorance, this is willingly being the butt of a joke. That's lolcowery.
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
Most lolcows are lolcows because they are mentally deficient.
Hes russian so that's a given.
You can see the skull and eye of an astel crowning out of a fallingstar beast's body.
He cant read about it in an item description on fextra so it isnt real to him.
So it's just your interpretation of it? It's just weird that you make these long posts like it's lore stated in game when it's really just you filling in holes with your headcanon
apply yourself
I think the thought behind it was just oh weird alien boss, since they know they can just throw something in the game and people will spend hours trying to decipher it and figure out what it is when most likely the devs haven't even thought that far either
Oh, so you're just baiting. Good one friend.
/thread
cmon man you could've continued with a more quality bait to keep it rolling why do you destroy it like that gay, this board fell off
>I respond to every post saying Mario jumps on the heads of goomba's because it's not explicitly written out so it is therefore just an interpretation
Are you actually moronic?
you can see the head poking out of a fully grown falling star beast
>the shape of the cranial hole is the EB in profile
So kino
noooo let him out
The Falling Star Beast on Mt. Gelmir is growing an Astel skull-eye between it's pincers, it's literally a caterpillar/grub form of the big ones you fight. The ones hanging from the ceiling are just colorless Astel's, it's the exact same model. If you know anything about butterflies, dragonflies, moths, or insects in general, you can near-instantly infer they're the life cycle stages of some fricked up space bug. I despise "lore" Youtubers just as much as the next guy, but this specific case is just you being moronic. The null hypothesis you're pitching here is that all of these creatures that share design elements, came from the same place, and even use the same magic are somehow completely unrelated. Please use your brain next time.
> needs things explained to them explicitly
I'll bet you think David Lynch movies are pretentious and make no sense.
Tell me the significance of the scene in Eraserhead where he checks into the mini-house or whatever and see a tiny dancing woman
Use your eyeballs, moron.
>it’s warmer when the sun comes out because the sun produces heat
>SOURCE
he is unironically right tho..... its under the model
so to clarify this moronation, this
is like if you encountered 2 bosses named
>Cow, eater of grass
>Cow, maker of milk
I need to watch 40 minutes youtube video about these guys, are they like brothers or something? Or clones? Or the grass one is a timetravelling form of a milk one?
All will be revealed if you touch the cow.
DO IT NOW!
So what are they and why are they here?
presumably the things that radhan held back
speculations are that Astel would crash land on the battlefield when you kill radahn, he has an unused crashing animation
That’s neat, I wonder if that would’ve been the original phase 2 of the fight instead of Radahn’s meteor
They're probably pissed off at mages given they're found in locations involving them and have the natural ability to use powerful gravity spells and Comet Azur.
It's hard to say, it's the same for the Onyx people who are violent towards everybody but capable of reasoning since they trained Radahn.
Read the thread. Waste your own time instead of asking us to waste ours.
They're just space bugs
Yeah and that's unfathomably lame. Even lamer than the Ulcerated Tree Spirit getting copypasted 20 times.
>larval Astels app over the map (Falling Star Beasts).
literal schizo shit that ignores the fricking game
Astels are "malformed" FSBs, that's all
they're not muh bugs
What's your evidence that they're malformed FSBs instead of just the end of their life cycle? FSB adults have Astel's head crowning out of their heads. That's in-game. It's like how adult caterpillars, despite being adults, still have another life cycle to go through, that of a butterfly.
have a nice day moron.
then explain why there are giant ants
This was one of the c**tiest boss I have ever fought in fromsoftwares game. Not overly difficult but jesus christ I keep missing hits, my class is warrior.
I had to change weapons from longsword to halberd because I couldn't hit the frickin thing
Yeah lol... I had to jump plenty of times to smash its head.
I beat him with my heavy longsword
The Stars of Darkness one might be the hardest boss in the game
No boss should have a fricking grab attack that one shots you at 60 VIG
Take off the sore seal you fricking idiot.
>defenselet
Had to use Golden moronation to dodge grab
Astels are the terminus of the Fallingstar Beast's lifecycle. Sometimes they fully grow in space, sometimes they crash to the Lands Between as juveniles.
The more interesting question is why is Astel purported to have destroyed Nokron when it's fully intact? And how did they get that Astel all the way down beneath the Lake of Rot? Why was Astel brought all the way past the Lake of Rot anyway? Seems like a logistical nightmare.
I don't think it's specifies what eternal city Astel destroys. It's probably Deeproot Depths. The river from Deeproot Depths also flows down to Ainsel River that eventually flows all the way to Astel's arena. You also pick up the Astel wing sword on the way down
>It's probably Deeproot Depths
But that one is implied to have been sunken by Marika. Otherwise it means Astel crashed into Leyndell Capital and sunk a whole city which isn't entirely outside the realm of possibility.
>The river from Deeproot Depths also flows down to Ainsel River that eventually flows all the way to Astel's arena
That still seems like a logistical nightmare. They should have fricking killed it.
Leyndells citizens dont seem very bright. Theres a corpse of a Godzilla sized dragon covering 1/3 of the city, nobody has tried to excavate it piece by piece either to make things easier or to use the pieces of the dragons flesh and hide as weapons, since theres a few ingame made from them.
Did you miss the part where Dragon Cult becomes kosher in the GO, moron-kun? They left it there cause it doubles as a holy site for Dragon Cult Incantation enjoyer in the city.
Theres nothing in the game stating that they left the corpse of Granseax there you dumb homosexual. From a meta perspective its there to look cool.
>Theres nothing in the game stating that they left the corpse of Granseax there you dumb homosexual.
The corpse of gransax being there makes you look dumb(er). Your dumb ass can even spell her name right lol.
If you see a post saying
>theres nothing I the game stating...
It is always the same shitposter looking to be humiliated ritualistically.
Hi Eric!
bro the one eternal city was once part of leyendell. look at how theres a massive hole in leyendell and an eternal city that is right below it.
>But that one is implied to have been sunken by Marika.
Marika didn't and can't sink a city. The entire Nox population was genocided by the greater will itself (or alternatively, they killed themselves with the silver tears, and the GO said "god did it")
I figured it was a defensive sinking to stop that assault in the trailer. There isn't Nox stuff in the nameless city under Leyndell, after all, it's more old slums stuff.
astel is the only boss design i like on ER
the game needed more cool ayylmaos
They already made a whole game about cool ayylmaos
I wish you got his gravity beam as a spell. It could be like a fast but much weaker Comet Azure
It reminds you of a better game
you expected me to disagree with you uh?
too bad thats not happening
Pretty much. It would be right at home in BB
It's actually coming to PC soon
YOu just wait
I bought BB day one, I bought old hunters day one and I have been thirst for PC port for the past 8 fricking years.
genuinely what is the hold up? Is it the money men thinking it wouldn't be worth the effort or legal issues or what?
I would speculate cross competition concerns. They haven't been taking any breaks to let that one sneak in like Fatlus did with P3 Reloaded
My best guess is that they know everyone and their mothers are thirsting for it, so it gets relegated to a really important event like a new console. It's kind of smart, if this is it, because at least shows that they know they have gold in their hands.
they remade demon's souls and it was a massive flop
>don't give people what they want
>it flops
>so now you have a reason to not give people what they want
MBAs huh?
It's also not on PC, your point?
It sold 2M copies, though. And it released during a PS5 shortage.
Explain your moronic reason to me on how exactly you think it was a flop?
Not him but it sold basically exactly the same as the original demons souls despite from exploding in popularity and recognition
I didn't like it.
i can't find sales numbers of from games but anway what the other anon said
i don't like it . i dont give a frick if it sells trillions copies or 3 copies i dont work for FS so sales dont affect me
they also butchered demon's souls
IIRC there have been reports of FromSoft working on another Sony exclusive game, so I guess they're waiting until it releases to remaster/port Bloodborne to the PS5 and PC.
I have no stake in Ganker culture war but if I had to put money on it they could be releasing it to coincide with the 10 year anniversary and have just been quiet about it. Or in reality they dont care much to port it regardless of how much more exposure and success Fromsoftware has received since then.
waiting to schedule it during a slow quarter when they need the preorder monies
I want to believe Sony knows full well it's a sought after title on all other platforms and are playing the long game to have it release with some big event and improvements.
But knowing From I think it's more a case of the codebase being absolute fricking spagetti hard coded with stone tablets to only, and only, work on the chips and wafers of the PS4. Reason we haven't heard anything is because Sony even hired NASA rocket scientists and super programmers with brains the size of blimps to reverse engineer it to work on PC/PS5, but there have been several failed attempts and several sucidies over the years of those involved to make sense of it.
Yes, I do believe From is incapable of making things work on anything but static hardware. I was there when Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring launched on PC.
>. I was there when Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring launched on PC.
Based oldgay
Because the PS4 has been holding gaming back decades, why would they release their best game on a better platform where it could VASTLY outshine the original release with just a few small tweaks to an .ini file.
My guess is that Sony mostly cares about vanity and "the brand" rather than simply making easy money. They port games purely to increase exposure to the franchise going forward. The only way they'd ever bother to port Bloodborne is if they're actively making a sequel, which is shaky because even if they own the rights, there would be a lot of backlash if they continued it without From and it would also be more trouble than it's worth to always need to co-develop it with another studio. Bluepoint remake is likely, but even then I wouldn't hold my breath for PC unless Demons Souls show up first.
1. Spaghetti code mayhapsthoughbeit
2. Transparent anti-Jap game bias by nu-Sony. Every fricking PC release from Snoy for years now has been only their amateur melodrama cinematic slop. Take into account that TLoU 2 has now gotten 2 releases when The Last Guardian outsold it according to the leaks from a few months ago.
It's a Console Seller game. Lots of people bought PS4 just for it and they'll do the same for exclusive 60fps Remaster for PS6.
They just think that selling enough copies of PS6 because of the exclusive outweights the sales they'll get from porting it to PC.
They were paid to make a sony exclusive and made a sony exclusive. they don't give a frick what the fans want. they make big bucks and sony makes big bucks. the only ones they care about are happy.
>genuinely what is the hold up?
BB didn't sell enough for MovieGame Sony to care
>didn't sold enough
>still make 2 new ips after
sure thing moron
Not enough for Sony dipshit-kun. Sony only cares if it has a culture impact or has a "strong female character" to market.
thats why they keep releasing gran turismo right moron
Because paypigs love microtrasnactions. BB doesn't have those.
They lost the source code
It's either this
tbh or its a RDR situation where the game code was so fricked beyond repair that it barely held up.
It would flop.
Because FromSoft doesnt hold the IP rights to it, Sony does, not to mention the studio that primarily worked on it, Japan Studio, got dissolved by Sony a year or two after it launched.
It doesnt help that Bloodborne was a console-seller as the PS4 had just launched a year prior in 2014
To put it simply, The lack of a PC Bloodborne release is a tale of greed and sales figures, and if they could, I'm sure Sony would try the same thing with every FromSoft game they could.
But they are literally putting their exclusives onto steam so why would they just hold back these game in particular?
I believe they completely lost the code or something
My theory is that they're holding on a Bloodborne remaster for launch PS6, just like Demon Souls. It's the only good answer
After all, why would anyone with more than two digits IQ buy a PS6 when the PS5 literally has no games? The answer to that is a BB remaster
>PS4 is notorious for having almost no games
>PS5 is notorious for having zero games
>PS6 is notorious for both issues
>the latter two being carried by demakes of decades old games
>PS6 is notorious for both issues
Frick off time traveler.
Greed? But they would make more money if their product was in multiple avenues. They are shit for brains.
Every time I see footage from BB, I'm shocked at how choppy it looks. I never thought I'd be this kind of snobby but it is slideshow tier compared to any other Souls game. At least DeS can be easily boosted to 60fps in RPCS3 and the only tradeoff is the camera panning speed in cutscenes.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was a cut enemy from BB. From loves to reuse assets
Same reason there are only 9 unique bosses in the entire game.
>activate windows
A key is like $10. I don't get it.
if it works why bother paying 10
Because it's like $10 and that watermark won't annoy you anymore, but I guess you would argue that anon doesn't find that annoying at all, which to me is troublesome and hard to believe.
i found it more annoying when i watched movies than played games
only reason i got it removed was because my bother told me . or i wouldn't know it was that cheap to get rid of it
Can't disable updates on 10, I completely get someone pirating it.
>Can't disable updates on 10
That's disgusting. MS truly has no shame. Another reason why I'm glad to be running Linux.
>Can't disable updates on 10,
yes you can you fricking mongoloid
its actually completely free with a script
this activates win10 home edition: on cmd type
slmgr /ipk TX9XD-98N7V-6WMQ6-BX7FG-H8Q99
slmgr /skms kms8.msguides.com
slmgr /ato
then reboot
Better even, just use massgrave
This. Just search MAS on Bing and click on the first Github link. Ironically enough Bing is the only engine that will give you the correct result when you search MAS
where else do you think all that mother fricking insight came from?
Humiliation ritual thread so anons will bully dragonirian into the grave.
This entire thread is a redux we've done numerous times
Stop humoring this desperate lolcow.
Wile how consistently this kills a thread. Only assumption is that dragon guy really is spamming all these shitpost threads. Mentioning him wouldnt consistently kill posting otherwise.
Anyone else had a bug (?) with his Consecrated Snowield version where after he teleported like 10 of him spawned at once all around the arena and then all went for a grab??? what the frick????
thats not a bug thats just an attack he does
1. Astel is a species
2. Devs are lame
It's just a fully grown Falling star beast. Pat attention.
No, this is a fully grown falling star beast
It's literally their name. Astel is a malformed creature, probably something going wrong with falling star beasts
You're moronic
that is in the middle of turning into astel right there
The game calls them fully grown, I am going to keep thinking they are fully grown
You may want to get tested for autism, while your at it.
cope seethe etc
i wonder if that's just a localization fail
It's possible
NTA I just wanted to point out your moronism even more with the pre forms of Astel upside down in caves is another further stage along its growth representing its chrysalis phase before it sprouts wings so yes the falling star beasts turn into astels, and yes you are moronic
>the falling star beasts turn into astels
I never said they didn't
maybe read the thread next time
it's just a big eyeball. You might as well say the giants were grown up fallingstar beasts because the firegiant has a big eyeball
maybe go back up the thread and see the other supporting evidence before making yourself look like a moron
Humiliation ritual post
old meme
Yeah, it is a fully matured fallingstar beast, that is why it is about to molt and the void monster is poking out.
He is malforming
I found the second one first, i was so confused as to why a boss like that was in a bumfrick cave in the snowmountains.
Astell is a reskinned amygdala from bloodborne
But Astel is not a shit boss?
>Astel is not a shit boss
damn right
at least amygdala didn't make it as easy as possible to smash it's head over and over
Wasn't it? I mean it looked cool, but wasn't astel super easy and boring?
bosses can be easy and good. see: most of demons and dark souls 1
I mean its not, but your headcannon seems fun so I don't really want to spoil it.
What is the lore of Astels?
this is a pretty good qrd on astel
>qrd
>q
>11:56 (eleven minutes and fifty-six seconds)
Considering zoomers watch 4 hour lore videos now a days thats basically a microsecond to them.
OK, but now without the fanfiction?
You'll get it when you play elden ring its explained in the game.
use a trip already so I can filter you
Stop asking questions that can be answered by playing the game. It's an useless post so an useless reply is warranted
You getting upset is the desired effect loser.
They're aliens that physically fall out of the sky, something Radahn was trying to prevent
They grow from fallingstar beasts
They like shiny things, one of them destroyed the nox city below Leyendell to steal its fake stars (found in its own boss arena)
They don't like anything that is alive
Oddly they seem to use the same gravity magic as the dark elves (onyx and alabaster aliens), but the dark elves are apparently not universally hostile to life since one taught Radahn
Alabaster and onyx Lords hold the pastels at bay in space.
Alabasters repel, onyxes attract. Together you can hold something in place. They are a good guy faction and also truly alien so they dont look like they are helping but everything they do is helping and teaching on how to deal with these monstrosities.
The gay Black folk from outer space were on our side the whole time!
Well yeah. They teach radahn how to hold the astels back
They didnt have to come to the lands between at all but still did. It's pretty selfless for a random faction in a from software game.
They were likely called by the Nox of the Eternal City, who also used gravity magic like the Eternal Darkness. The Nox were using gravity magic to open a portal to the cosmos so they could frick off from the Greater Will but that ended up a two way street for Astel to come in.
The Eternal City got destroyed but the Alabaster lords seem to have stuck around and helped form Sellia along with the Nox remants and the students from Raya Lucaria coming in later to learn from them.
>Raya Lucaria
Such a badass name, lads.
Moon rays.
Raya - friend
Lucaria - grove
The school got their magics from the ancestors.
astel and his arena are some of the coolest aesthetically when it comes to from bosses
Because Miyazaki is a hack this boss repeats btw the second time you find him at the ice cave he is way harder.
Anyway your weapon is shit you should be using a Cold Cross-Naginata it's the best weapon in the game pair it with a brass shield or stonefingerprint shield.
antlions dont exist. you have been tricked
Best big sword to banish these illegal immigrants?
Blasphemous Blade, obviously.
Thanks.
lazy fromsoft liked to reuse bosses
That's because they first created the map, then decided where each enemy was going to be, so eventually they ran out of models. The game is too big. Beautiful, but big.
because they are a species that evolves after falling, like some Dead Space aliens
Pretty rad
I like the concept of the ruptured crystal tears but they're so useless compared to everything you can do.
Better question is why are there two Godricks.
Unironically Godefroy (the copypasted Godrick boss) is one of the most important dudes in the lore because he's hinted at having a hand in Godwyn's death and causing the first siege of Leyndell lmao
Man, ER had it's issue but now that I finished it I really miss it
I wish I could play it for the first time again
Ranni in that pic looks so much like my highschool gf. The memories, lads, the memories...
The repeat bosses really drag down ER from a 9/10 to a 6/10. Nothing more disheartening than exploring a new awesome location only to find a copy of a boss you fought earlier but with more health and damage so even though you've leveled up the fight plays out the same. There's not even the satisfaction of seeing how much stronger you've become because you can 4-shot the magma drake in Volcano Manor after struggling against the magma drake near the Caelid border.
I wish we got the version of the game where killing Radahn causes Astel to crash into the arena as a phase 2 to the boss.
Dude held on til the end. I hope we get time travel DLC where we go frick up the stars with him.
I fricking hate the Full-Grown Fallingstar Beast, have probably had the most trouble with it so far out of every boss
>Naturalborn of the Void
>A creature that should be incomprehensible to the human mind
>It has a human skull
What gives? Lore implications?
>Lore implications?
Yep
>lore implications
its a videogame
go watch a movie or read a book
Movies are on the same level as vidya
>A creature that should be incomprehensible to the human mind
Why would any alien being be incomprehensible? Sides we already have the various gods and such anyways for that and we know space is full of life and there are other aliens like the big eye guys in the lake. Astel is just a big space bug.
honestly, it makes it more compelling to have the skull. if its JUST an unidentifiable "thing", then its written off as "just a space bug". kind of like the elden beast just being a weird blob thing. by having something familiar and something that we can connect to ourselves, it makes us question stuff. if its just a mass of randomness, we write it off as "just some space bug". does it have intelligence? are we connected? what are the implications? etc etc etc.
>does it have intelligence?
It's a FromSoft game, so demonstrably not.
>what are the implications?
It's a FromSoft game, so there's probably no reason beyond reusing assets.
>It's a FromSoft game, so there's probably no reason beyond reusing assets.
well realistically, yeah. but for people that enjoy autism and putting too much thought into things, theres more potential for introspection and reaction with relatable/familiar features than if it were just some blob thing that evokes nothing.
The Elden Beast is a hallucigenia. Miyazacki clearly is aware of Attack on Titan memes.
That can't be legit. From Soft would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever steal a design.
>Steal a design
Anon Hallucgenia was a real life animal, an ancient aquatic Cambrian cousin of the living fossil known as a velvet worm.
eeeeewwwwwww!
>That can't be legit
It's not. Troons gonna troon though you know how they act.
What does any of this have to do with trannies
Man
>Man
You will never be one
Troons push bad theories. This is an instance of that. Your initial incredulity at its claims were on the money. It cant be real, because it isnt.
There is a shizo who ruins Elden ring threads who calls everybody a troony.
Ususally names like "Shin/Goldgay/Eric/Dragorian" soon follow and nobody really know what's going on.
This is dragonirian. He hates people talking about him so he made a fake dox on it
Hes done a fake dox on eric, italiano, and farquaad (all shitposting personas hes had to burn) hes also sharty (image is from a mario thread lol)
>He's also sharty
In thought Sharty was /qa/?
Same troon. You can find an unedited version of that pic by searching "eric" in archives.
The Dragonirian persona is the real him (13 year old account), he posts using multiple personas across multiple boards (italianon is from Ganker for instance)
Now that's what I call mental illness
I kneel!
If you look at his steam profile you see is eternally seething about the seamless coop mod
The anons fricking with him are top lads.
You have schizophrenia. Not everyone who disagrees with you on ER lore is as moronic as you.
I was there for this. Peak comedy gold.
Over mario sidescrollers lol.
Dragonir and his crony always kvetch at this type of thing, buy they also always leave when it happens lol.
Facts
Getting real sick of this homosexual. Like every elden ring thread
>Some insane easily disprovable lore theory
>calls you a troony
>refuses to back is claims
It was mind blowing when I figured out that eveyr homosexual I have ever argued with in these threads was the same guy.
Post the images anons use when you think its him. You'll see that the shitposting stops or the thread dies because all posts were him.
Talking about him always gets him to leave.
Why does he hate Elden Ring lore discussion?
He has a mental illness.
It isnt just ER lore he does this everywhere and has done it for years. It's a brain issue, his is broken.
The real answer is insecurity. He valued Ganker as part of his personality so wants to be in on the ground floor. He cant into the lore though so he cant be part of our lore threads. Since he cant be a part he decides to ruin them.
He does this for a ton of topics, the underlining problem is he is insecure.
>It's not
look at Elden Beast's design, it's clearly a hallucigenia with an astral body like the Nightwalker from form Princess Mononoke.
>It doesn't have multiple arms and legs
And? It doesn't need to be a 1:1 anatomical representation of the damn worm it just shares a general body structure.
Attack on Titan finished within recent memory, the big reveal in that series was a crystal worm like creature grafted itself to Ymir's spine and gave her the power to transform into a Titan that looks like Hallucigenia composed of human parts.
It's then revealed that the worm is in fact a descendent of Hallucigenia, because when the Mangaka was writing it a scientific breakthrough in fossil studies gave a far more accurate idea of what the worm's anatomy was like hit the world news.
With the concept of the Ring needing a host to create a goddess why wouldn't Miyazacki make the monster look like worm-kun?
>With the concept of the Ring needing a host to create a goddess why wouldn't Miyazacki make the monster look like worm-kun?
Because princess mononoke exists
>Nightwalker is a big astral body resembling a deer-man
>Elden beast is a big astral body resembling Hallucigenia
I think you're starting to get it.
>And? It doesn't need to be a 1:1 anatomical representation of the damn worm it just shares a general body structure.
If it doesn't even have multiple pairs of limbs it doesn't have the same body structure.
>Attack on Titan finished within recent memory
And it was a horrific international embarassment. Also Elden Ring was already in development for years at that point.
Elden Beast doesn't have spines and only has 2 arms and legs, dipshit. It's based on the Laniakea Galactic Supercluster.
Two things can be true
it's obviously supposed to be a celestial nervous system. That tracks with all the ideas about roots and control, but also it's worm like because it's parasitic.
Also if the meme fits
>Laniakea Galactic Supercluster
That is pretty cool
how are they gonna pad their game without making new assets otherwise? each enemy model that isn't copypasted is an enemy wasted
tell me a game without reussed assets
i'm curious
flaccid response, I won't humor it.
i wasn't attacking you fricking moronic troony
i was curious if there was ever a game without reused assets
Well it's a small list of games that are
>the first game made by a studio/person
>uses no public assets
So, yeah, some, but few
i doubt there's many like that but i guess you right
i bet even DeS got reused assets from king field
The spider from DeS is reused from another game From released like a week prior to DeS. Can't remember its name but it bombed. It was a poor imitation of DMC
Can you list some?
No, because I just answered the question as to the existence of games that rely on no reused assets
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>Ganker actually recognizing the bait
Good job, your learning
We talk about dragonirian all the time now that's why hes spamming in a melty rn
Cope, fallingstar beast is a copy pasted DS1 enemy with a human skull taped to it
Is the lolcow a schizo or just a moronic third worlder?
yes
Both. moronic russian schizo
>[shitposting stops]
Oh I am laffin
>dead thread
>talk to yourself about schizoid conspiracies about why nobody likes your stupid game
>stop posting
>thread is dead again
You need more buzzwords
>lolcow
>humiliation ritual
>dragonirian
Erictroonys our response!?
Standard victory lap like usual.
I didnt beat a single boss in elden ring, I summoned everyone and role played as a noble that hired help to get them through the world.
Based
thy strength befits a crown
>asking why there's two astels and not why there's two godfrey the grafteds
https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Godefroy_the_Grafted
>wiki reader thinks Godefroy is Godfry
lol melina malenia all over again.
honestly i completed the game 3 times and every time i saw "godfry" or "godefroy" or "godfith" or whatever other shit name i assumed it was the same guy
Why not just call him Soul of Godfrey and the place is only accessible if you killed real Godfrey?
Because that doesn't make sense. Play elden ring bro godefroy is a relative of godfrey (uncle or father).
Yes that's shitty because they're 100% identical.
If they had to make the assets 100% identical, then why not pretend evergaols contain the dudes souls you fight and be done with it? Since all evergaols are just reskins of regular enemies/bosses anyway. They could repeat everyone once if they wanted if they just called them souls instead of making new OCs that look the same just because.
>Yes that's shitty because they're 100% identical.
One is named Godfrey and is in Stormveil, the other is named Godefroy and in an evergaol.
They aren't identical.
They are not identical. Godfrey is the owner of a Stormveil Castle who grafts a fricking dragon to his hand.
Godefroy is an imprisoned criminal fighting with just his trusty Axe.
Then they should remove the crown from his model and replace the axe. Also take out the laugh sfx and the goofy moves.
What happened in actuality is probably something like this
>GRRM shits out another character who is ultimately largely irrelevant to the overall story, and has a name that's almost indistinguishable to an existing character
>FROM: Frick, we really don't give a shit about this guy, and we can't find a place to put him
>FROM: Hey, he's Godricks ancestor, right? Just fricking put him in a gaol somewhere
Godefroy is Godfrey's relative. He was involved in the first siege on Leyndell, Royal Capital, but was defeated and captured by Kristoff, the Ancient Dragon Knight, after which he was imprisoned in an Evergaol.
It's Godricks ancestor, you frick.
Is it lazy? Yes, but he's a separate homie
My question is what's the deal with the Mogh in the sewers? Maybe he was imprisoned there and when he escaped he left a mimic so nobody would notice?
Hes tricking his brother so he can start the moghwyn dynasty without interference. To his jailer hes where he is supposed to be, while hes off starting a dynasty in error.
It's probably left over from when he was just a generic omen. Probably didn't have time to make another fight after he was elevated to Morgotts brother.
As for the lore implication, there's nothing really except that Mohg (and Morgott) try to keep the player away from the Frenzied Flame.
I like to think Omens are naturally capable of projecting/invading other worlds and Mogh was trying to prevent you from reaching the 3 Fingers just like Morgot was trying to prevent you from getting your first great rune.
Its a bit in the air.
I always saw it as morgott placing an illusion of his brother to guard the sewers. Like gwyndolin did with the lordvessel.
could be this. but the godfrey projection and all his magic weapons are yellow, as is the seal behind mohg
He's guarding that passage way to the 3 fingers. He's a Margit styled illusion created by Mohg or by Morgott to serve such a purpose.
Him having the title of "Omen King" suggests that before Mohg went off to create his Dynasty he was charged with maintaining order for the other outcasted Omen nobility.
Why would there be only 1?
I don't know anything about Souls games. I only clicked this thread to see the boss name.
>Astel, Naturalborn of the Void
Why are they like this?
You'll figure it out when you play elden ring
naturalborn is a shit translation of eldritch
It isnt a translation of eldritch. Naturalborn is a classy way to say bastard.
>who was the father?
>the child is naturalborn
It is a way to sidestep discussing the parentage of a known bastard.
They looked back on the copypasted bosses DS2 had and decided since they were making an open world they would double triple quadruple down on the copypaste so that out of a 100+ bosses less than 10 are unique.
Who's Zanzibart?
Me.
Elden Ring is one of the worst FROM games.
Humiliation ritual post
Eric post
Is that like a dragonirian?
You're so cute Eric
fight
No reason to. Anon always wins against dragonirian theres never a "fight."
It's always 1 side mercilessly shitting on the crazy russian.
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Grand Rapids represent
Extremely overrated game which has some gorgeous settings but doesn't come close to BB/Sekiro.
I remember seeing all the b***hing about this on release and wondering how so many idiots failed to notice the "malformed star" enemies were Astel models devoid of color.
Only explanation I can think of is not a single person b***hing had gotten close to the things.
I'll never get why people get so pissy and mad over stuff like Elden Ring containing world building via things like design elements just because they're not directly important to the plot and aren't explicitly brought up. Fallen Star Beasts evolving into Astels aren't super important to the overall plot but it's obviously very much a thing and it's just one of the many things that hint / illustrate at Elden Ring taking place in a small chunk of a cosmic setting where there's shit in space doing crap and how we have to deal with aspects of that.
>elden ring lore is moronic
>somebody claims actually it's the best thing ever
>why
>uh because this recycled enemy from DS1 has the same asset pasted on it as this recycled enemy from bloodborne and this is the 1000th time I've brought it up since release
So you're getting mad that people like something more than you do? Seems moronic of you.
Well it's not "liking something", it's mental illness. You'd be hard pressed to find somebody as mentally ill as elden ring loretrannies even on /vg/
Claiming a game needs to be talked about for this long and the reason is "this enemy has the same copy pasted skull asset as this one" is pretty demented. Especially when you know both enemies are reskinned bosses from games that came out over 10 years ago
Looks like a humiliation ritual post
Monster hunter has been reusing monster rigs for decades, but no sane person would argue rathalos and legiana are the same monster.
Monster hunter is also a shit japanese action game
what's your point?
That claming same rig = same creature is patently untrue.
Half life 1 and 2 use code from Quake, does that mean theyre all the same game?
when you glue a skull on the fang boar from DS1 is it suddenly mind melting 4D lore implications?
When you glue the crowbar from HL1 onto the character controller code from Quake is it suddenly a new game? Apparently not, according to you.
okay but when you glue a skull on the fang boar from DS1 is it suddenly mind melting 4D lore implications?
Nope, and quake and HL1 are the same video game.
>Nope
Okay so these threads don't have a point if pasting reused assets on reused bosses don't have any actual lore implications and are red herrings for aspies
cute feet
This reads like a humiliation ritual would
Why is the discord so adamant about pushing this word?
Probably leftoids ironically. Every time they try to mock right wingers they only end up boosting them and making themselves look moronic and evil. Kinda like with stonetoss and amogus
Do you think the trannies are involved
>leftist discord tries to organize some gay psyop
>are trannies involved?
What do you think?
The autism in this thread is a special phenomenon. There is this idea to Dark Souls that Ganker has that isn't actually accurate but became close.
I hate asset re-use but understand that even your biggest AAA games and many beloved classics are going to do it to cut corners if they're able to, especially rpgs. But Ganker pretends like Dark Souls raised the bar.
DaS did a really good job for its first half. It uses enemies sparsely, some even only encounterable once or twice. The game places great emphasis on item location, npc location and even tries to integrate its game mechanics into the lore. Undead being canonically immortal to explain bonfire revival, Time being convoluted to explain multiplayer and the ruinous post apocalyptic setting devoid of bustling rpg ubisoft towns to set the cold, lifeless and empty world of AA videogame design as something natural.
This of course, all goes to shit with the second half with even them shamelessly re-using Pinwheel without explanation, but what it created was this obsession thats been used to shit on every future From installment with the exception of BB (which does it pretty badly in Chalice Dungeons)
If you look at most modern media people consume its all completely absent of any underlying theming or thought. Marvel slop designs are the most surface level thing imaginable, and shows/films don't really try to "say" anything anymore. So when a series actually does those things people don't even notice. Then they assume the people who do notice something that isn't literally spelled out to the audience are just making it up for some ulterior motive, like social media points.
Any lore reason is just an excuse to recycle the boss lmao
Elden Ring does this multiple times with not only dungeon bosses but major story bosses too.
It bothers me that I found this dude in a cave before finding him in the lore battle
I really hope the DLC remixes everything and gets rid of the copypasted stuff
Both of them are in caves.
However, it seems like Astel was originally supposed to be fought just after Radahn, in the same area. Radahns meteor attack was actually Astels entry into the arena, presumably.
I wish the ranni quest one was removed from the game, and the only Astel you'd find would be the one in the snowy cave
Would have been so spooky seeing this weird alien lifeform for the first time in the dark cave
They should've made a Rot boss to put there. It makes no sense why you're in the place where the Outer God of Rot was sealed, then you take a coffin down a waterfall (of rot) only to end up in a place that's entirely devoid of rot AND houses an alien
Astel is a thematically appropriate end boss for Ranni's quest, but the lake of rot should be somewhere else, below the poison castle maybe
>IT'S IN THE GAME
>NO THAT LINE, THAT'S LOCALIZER CHANGING THE TRANSLATION
>NO NOT THAT LINE EITHER, THAT DOESN'T COUNT
>YES THAT LINE THAT AGREES WITH MY NARRATIVE PROVES EVERYTHING
humiliating
Lunar Princess TRANNI
It's hilarious to me that the Erdtree Avatar is literally using the same animations/skeleton as the Asylum Demon from DS1.
It's weird that it doesn't feel like you're fighting him though. Maybe it's the sped up attacks?
Considering the average boss/enemy speed in ER that's probably the case.
It's using the stray demon rig and animations from DS3, not the asylum demon.
And the Stray Demon isn't just the Asylum demon?
What's the difference?
The DS3 version is animated differently. Faster, less clumsy, and a few new moves. The skeleton might be the same though.
For me? It's the omenkiller being just a caprademon, I bet they thought it was really funny when they put 2 dogs next to the first one you fight
I can't remember can Capra climb ladders in the original DaS? They gave the animation rigging a lot of new animations in Elden Ring it seems.
>new animations
That's that fromsoft AAA development budget in action
That's new, along with some of its new moves like firebreathing
>dragonir has left the chat
:^)
What was that giant underground Skeleton sitting on a throne about anyways? Shit looks cool but isn't explained.
Nox tried to make their Night Lord but failed. Dragonkin were other failed attempts. Eventually they succeed through Ranni, if you let her.
I have a feeling they were supposed to be guarding the kool aid you would've been drinking for the cut quest where a Mimic Tear tries to replace you
Mother Albinaurics like Ophelia (Lattena's big sister).
Their thrones are integrated into temple structures and judging by the fact that they're simply dead and it would be difficult to leave those structures, they likely couldn't walk or move to begin with, much like Ophelia who is seemingly forever comatose.
Nox society was built around taking silver tears and giving them permanent form as a means to play god and create basically anything. At their peak it's likely most of their population was artificial.
Hell if you look closely at Claymen you'll see they have mercury in their backs implying they're the most ancient attempt at creating homonculi from silver tears.
>At their peak it's likely most of their population was artificial.
GO is doing the same raising beasts up to humanoid form. Dragons did the same.
Deep deep lore is most life is artificial scraps going thru the motions for fake gods.
>two Astels, fully mature falling star beasts, isn't okay
>but Bloodborne having two Roms and two Ebrietas is because... dream!
Both are fine
Chalice dungeons aren't canon
no one complains about Astels, hell the Stars of Darkness one even has unique attacks
What's really fricking moronic is shit like Godefroy
Both Rom bosses are projections, the real one is the petrified corpse Ebrietas prays at.
Chalice Dungeons are projections of the past, and the Ebrietas in the dungeons is when the Choir found her.
>the real one is the petrified corpse Ebrietas prays at
what, seriously? I don't think i've ever noticed this damn
never played the game but some anon said that a lot of the lore was based on Bakkers Second Apocalyse series. Is that true?
Nope
If you Astel autists don't shut the frick up we're going to get a Fallingstar Beast with wings and an even more cancerous moveset in the DLC just to hammer the point home some more.
At least half the bosses in the DLC are going to be cancer. It'll be Ringed City 2.0
See how he gave up? Always talk about him and around him, but never to him.
100% a cut boss or concept from BB I can't be the only one who thinks this
>can't be the only one who thinks this
You def are
You're the only one.
Just you sorry
it literally is a reskinned boss from bloodborne
It literally isnt though.
which bloodborne boss is it a reskin of then you c**t?
Amygdala, they reskinned its arms into jaws and turned its head into a skull
Also astel's main attack, where it forms orbs around it's hands and slams them into the ground, is amygdala's main attack, it's just purple
The skeleton and animations are completely different, they're just conceptually similar bosses
Also astel has a charge laser attack where is shoots a beam out of it's head, that's amygdala's attack only purple
>responding to bait
I always hated this because the first Astel in the Nox city is actually significant. He's literally a punishment from the Greater Will itself for their defiance.
Then there's this one in the middle of the concentrated snow field in a fricking mine for no explainable reason. What was he helping people in butt frick nowhere mine? God it drives me insane, it makes no sense.
the greater will doesn't exist anon, it's something created by troony loretubers
everything referring to the greater will was fromsoft desperately trying to tie up loose ends created by them mashing the lore into paste, it's so obvious
if you acknowledge that everything mentioned in the net of greater will lore is an afterthought it really shines a light on the game
>two fingers/three fingers complete afterthought
>elden beast ending of the game complete afterthought
>Nokron and Nokstella a complete afterthought
>ranni's quest a complete afterthought
>empyreans a complete afterthought
How much did the Three Fingers pay you to say that, Tarnished? What next, you gonna say that Goldmask is a fraud too?
that other one does too.
>The other one
There are like 3 or 4 Malformed Stars in the game.
There are Astel all over the place, I don't see why the ice cave one would piss you off.
>concentrated snow field in a fricking mine for no explainable reason.
anon, in case you didn't notice, all mines i nthe game are on top of meteors!
And the arena of said mines is the meteor crater.
likewise, meteor craters can be seen near some alabaster lords.
and craters in the overworld have falling star beasts in them.
this is so fricking heavily shown that you literally get a crater in mt gelmir after you beat Radahn who was holding them back.
Not to mention the ?nox? cult monks who do a T pose near quite several alabaster lords and meteor crater sites signifying that there is a freaking meteor related creature nearby
then you have an astel in a mine in CONSECRATED(not concentrated you moron) snow fields with all its miners FRICKING DEAD, and an alabaster lord guarding it.
CONNECT THE FRICKING DOTS YOU MORON!
>this is so fricking heavily shown that you literally get a crater in mt gelmir after you beat Radahn who was holding them back.
Uhm, I agree with everything except for this - the Crater and Fallingstar Beast in it are present on Mt. Gelmir from the start of the game, while Rahdan is fully alive. You can go there straight from the starting crypt, without ever even seeing Caelid.
The dudes at the meteor crashes are called Starcallers in guides, refered to only by the meteorite fan and chunks. They're supposed to be mage larpers which may explain why they dress like hobos.
are you upshitting from 240p or is this a screencap from a youtube video at 240p?
So uhhh when you turn into seedbed poxes to the tied up Dung Eater, are you shoving them up the guys ass?
Yes.
I shouldn't have done that, I should have just given him the potion. That is completely out of character for my current run.
it's over anon... your character is now the poopoo peepee man, the caca consumer...
There's 2 of everything. Marika is Radagon, Godfrey is Horax Loux, Godrick and Godefroy etc.
The world of golden order has a need to balance itself. Thats why set of twins are so prevelent and why Ranni had to kill Godwyn's soul to kill her body. Everything is basically math and work's by nature of equations.
shut up goldmask
game reuses like every fricking boss. pretty sad. no other dark souls game did this except 2 with smelter demon and even then he was at least recolored and was obviously supposed to be something else.
DS2: 2
DS2 but shit
>Taurus and Capra Demon made into regular enemies
>Pinwheel minis found randomly in ToG
>Moonlight Butterflies all over Crystal Cave
>Asylum Demon 3 times.
>Steel Boar reused several times.
>Dragon assess spammed all over Izailith with no explanation.
The moonlight butterflies in the crystal cave is just nice visually and i usually don't fight them. i give them a pass
Steel Boar is at least a rare enemy, not a boss.
I don't fear anything because I'm a MOONLIGHT CHAD except Crystallians, frick those things.
What? Transient Moonlight cracks them open
I don't recall it doing well against them, but maybe I was using a different weapon at the time? I can't really remember; I would periodically switch between weapons to test out them out. It was really easy to reset your build at any time, so at one point I just kept changing my build.
yeah those were a b***h because I didn't have room to back up while I crack them, so I just threw rocks at them one by one