Nomura publically acknowledges Takahashi as his master. The only influence he had on that game is swooning evey time Takahashi opened his mouth or made a decision. That's the only reason he even worked on it
>nobody cares about Arms
I do, and ARMS should've had a rep at launch, this is simply fixing what should've been done sooner. Besides, ARMS has great character designs.
Cranky Kong would be much cooler than gay shit like Sora and more people know who Cranky Kong is than Terry, maybe even Sephiroth at this point with the Mario movie although his character sucked there
Literally this. I fricking hate this moronic "hype culture". If every single new character is from a non-Nintendo game, it becomes the norm and not the exception. Smash was always about being a celebration of Nintendo and I hate how it's less about Nintendo and more about "what random homosexual 3rd party will make for the best livestream reactions so our game gets more free advertising?"
I don't like Sora. Which is weird cause everyone was so hyped about him being finally in the game just for all Smash discussion to die immediately after he was added.
That's how most characters are. Lots of hype around them but they have the worst moveset you've ever seen when a fan could do justice 30x better. Even your favorite character in Smash could have a better moveset than what they have right now.
I think most people were more excited about the possibility of a Chosen Undead rep from Sora's trailer. once people realized it was a fake out and the last DLC character was Sora people pretty quickly lost interest.
Mate you can't tell me the start to Sora's trailer doesn't set up an uncannily perfect Dark Souls teaser. Sakurai may not have done it on purpose, but he couldn't have done a better fake out if he'd tried.
>muh generic anime swordsman
frick you, Sora's very unique you whiny homosexual >Sora was "shitty"
Nevermind that he's the most requested character and winner of the character ballot, he's "shitty" solely because I'm a vapid homosexual with no taste
>lost a lot of prestige after KH3 came out
Yeah, it was 3 that damaged the brand, not the 15 years of spin-offs and a mobile game, all of which are canon and very important to the plot of KH3
>lost a lot of prestige after KH3 came out
Yeah, it was 3 that damaged the brand, not the 15 years of spin-offs and a mobile game, all of which are canon and very important to the plot of KH3
What about KH3 damaged the series besides normies complaining that a Disney game about the power of friendship being confusing for them
Sora felt rushed, they gave him a Down B in a game where “EVERYONE IS HERE” and lots of other characters having counters, yeah Sora Counters in his games too but giving him one just makes it feel very redundant, should’ve just given him Reflega which Arsene Joker seems to have with his Down B, Sora’s Down B doesn’t even knock back projectiles which is bizarre.
It's a crime she didn't make it to even a spirit
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Sora has so much potential that giving him something so many characters already do is a waste
It's based off KH1 Sora, who doesn't have the flashy moves from 2 and 3. People keep saying they should have made Strike Raid his neutral B, but they would have complained that Sakurai copied another move again (in this case Pyra's forward B)
Who on earth wants strike raid instead of being able to cast magic spells. That's the gayest thing I have ever heard. Sora would then ONLY have keyblade moves.
the hype died out because nobody actually cares about smash ultimate for the gameplay, only for rostergayging. anyone who cares about playing a smash game is just following melee instead.
>don't bother adding the MC as the rep for the game as a base game character >years later randomly decide to add a side character/partner character as their own character via paid DLC >did this twice
honestly fricking bizarre, I liked ARMS too and I think they should've shilled it when it was actually new, A.K.A. not make springgay a fricking assist trophy.
I can't say for sure, but I'd imagine the reason ARMS didn't get a rep at launch was that it was still in development at the time Smash was still in the very early planning phases before its canst was finalized.
True, but Fire Emblem is an established franchise with history while ARMS was brand new and already has characters in the game, I feel it was either that or maybe they didn't want to risk it with ARMS still being so new
ARMS does have the valid excuse of there not really being a main character; cover might position Spring Man in that role, but in-game he's just the easiest option to get you started with. Anyone was fair game.
XC2's case yeah they did forego Rex albeit I'm personally glad because we could use more variety (I bet if it was Edelgard instead of Byleth there'd have been less complaints, fun as Byleth is to play as)
Smashgays were hyper-focused on only 5 or 6 third party characters like Crash, and were dismissive of everyone else making up rules specific to that character just to gatekeep them off of Smash.
I'd argue every DLC fighter with the exception of Banjo had something that went against the Smash Speculation bubble that made Smashgays dismissive of their chances.
This. It was all Crash/Dante/Doomguy/Ryu/Travis/whatever. The funniest shit was seeing people saying the second pass would be cheap and more first party focused after Minmin then the next character was fricking Steve.
Crash was a meme on the basis that he is a rival like Sonic, which was true for the PS1 days having direct answer to Mario, having an ad that disses Mario and even having an answer to Mario Kart
that being said I myself not to fond of Crash but I get it, still feel he was kinda overrated, although overlooked over the years, mostly found it annoying how many said he was always highly requested since Brawl which is just not true
Min-Min >A character that's not even the protagonist of the said game, only got in because she was the director favorite waifu akin to FF Lightning >Also really fricking obnoxious in gameplay, to the point the japanese smash community despises her
Steve >Comes from a popular normalgay IP but his moveset isn't friendly to casual normalgays >Tons of development time was wasted on him since they had to adjust every single stage because of his mechanics >Wasn't playtested enough since he had broken physics to the point he was considered to be banned
Sephiroth >Nothing really bad in this case. Issue is that all the "Frick Nintendo" gays instantly went back to praising Nintendo when he was confirmed to be in Smash
Pyra/Mythra >Dogshit moveset that was cobbled from several different fighters. Their unique gimmick is outright stolen from pre-Ultimate Zelda. >Absurdly broken at launch while requiring absolutely no skill to play. A literal casual player could easily destroy more seasoned players because they could deal insane amounts of damage in quick bursts while having absurd hitboxes. A literal touch from Pyra means insta-death or losing your shield.
Kazuya >Didn't make sense considering Tekken isn't even on the Switch. Also Kazuya could easily grab you into a 40% combo as you can literally do nothing about it is absolutely insane when compared to non-DLC characters.
Sora >Disappointing moveset. He's from a series filled with multiple spells and weapons but yet he barely has anything outside of three spells with only one really being decent. Also when compared to how absurdly broken the other DLC fighters are, it's insulting.
Min-Min >A character that's not even the protagonist of the said game
True, but I think Ribbon Girl should've been the rep since she was the deuteragonist after Spring-Man and ATs are a hard disconfirm.
Pyra/Mythra >Dogshit moveset that was cobbled from several different fighters.
It wasn't, there's only so man ways to swing sword you moron. And her "gimmick" is unique to her because Zelda doesn't even use this anymore and hasn't for a long time. >Absurdly broken at launch while requiring absolutely no skill to play. A literal casual player could easily destroy more seasoned players because they suck and aren't as good as they think they are
None of the DLC characters are "broken", only whiny b***hes who suck complain about characters being "broken" because they suck ass at the game and are looking for excuses for their own lack of skill. If they're really so good, it shouldn't matter who the other player picks, right?
What other people said about Sora. I'm a huge KHgay, but his moveset in Smash was a huge letdown. >no strike raid >no ars arcanum >no explosion >no magnet burst >magic system ripped off from Smash Flash 2 >up special copied from Link's >ANOTHER FRICKING COUNTER, which I'm convinced Sakurai put in just to spite me, personally >Final smash isn't trinity limit
I know they were kind of limited with what they could put in because of Disney, but they really could have done better than this. Is Sakurai losing his touch?
Do you just expect them to give Sora his entire moveset from the series? Also if they had given him Strike Raid you would be b***hing about Sakurai copying Pyra's Forward B special
>Didn't make sense considering Tekken isn't even on the Switch.
It’s not about if a 3rd party character’s game/series is available on Nintendo’s current console, it’s about their history with Nintendo and impact on gaming overall (and in some cases, extremely high fan demand). Snake was added to Brawl, but there were no MGS games for the Wii. Cloud got added to Smash 4, but FF7-15 weren’t on Nintendo consoles. Banjo got added to Ultimate, but his games weren’t on Nintendo hardware since 2005. The franchises they represent all had games on previous Nintendo consoles and handhelds, whether their latest mainline games are on Switch or not doesn’t change this.
Sephiroth has the issue of being another Final Fantasy rep from the same game. If they were going to add another Final Fantasy character which already wasn't necessary to begin with, they should have added someone introduced in a different game.
What other people said about Sora. I'm a huge KHgay, but his moveset in Smash was a huge letdown. >no strike raid >no ars arcanum >no explosion >no magnet burst >magic system ripped off from Smash Flash 2 >up special copied from Link's >ANOTHER FRICKING COUNTER, which I'm convinced Sakurai put in just to spite me, personally >Final smash isn't trinity limit
I know they were kind of limited with what they could put in because of Disney, but they really could have done better than this. Is Sakurai losing his touch?
>Is Sakurai losing his touch?
He hasn't had it since he put tripping in Brawl.
Sakurai has gotten away with so much bullshit game design for years purely because he put [your favorite character] in Smash.
Here's the real truth: HAL labs and Iwata's influence are what made Smash quality. Sakurai is just an ideas guy who is obsessed with curating an experience that is impossible to obtain and jerking off his buddies. The fact that he lefts his wife make terrible UI and paste it in the game should tell you enough right there.
Because of Byleth ending off the first pass, and the biggest characters for the 2nd being rather boring choices, like Sephiroth instead of literally any other FF character, or Kazuya and Sora.
Like it's cool they are there, but they lack... Oomph? Same goes for the XB2 bawds and Min Min.
It's crazy that the wildest feeling pick for the 2nd pass was fricking Steve.
I agree wholeheartedly with the second season lacking oomph, but come on, to claim Sephiroth and Sora were lukewarm? If anything they got the most hype in the package.
Sephiroth is what all the normalgays wanted, the b***hing would have been through the roof if it was Cecil, Terra, Tidus or any other FF protagonist or villain (aside from maybe Kefka). I'm just glad it wasn't Lightning.
I'm not even a huge Smash/Nintendo guy but it feels like the series lost something when it pivoted to third-party shit. It just feels like a senseless mish-mash of characters now, when before there was a unique kind of novelty of Nintendo characters from wildly different franchises being in the same game. Just feels like they could throw whatever in and see what sticks, just to make a certain subsection of the internet clap because their favorite character is finally in the spotlight. I firmly believe a reboot of the series that gets rid of most, if not all of the third-party characters would be to the series' benefit at this point.
Don't forget all the 3rd partygays coming in and telling Nintendo fans their characters aren't important when the series is still a Nintendo crossover first and foremost. The hypehomosexualry killed Smash discussion and speculation and like you said, most 3rd party suggestions, never mind the actual picks - are just to make people hype without any actual substance. Porting Ultimate isn't gonna happen if those licenses are anything to go by and despite the success of Ultimate, it doesn't mean the price of licensing these characters goes down, especially if you have to add more of them.
A reboot is needed, and a better balance of roster picks and overall choices for Smash gameplay-wise is needed. Sakurai needs to do behind the scenes work and let some new blood do the rest of the work. The man has aged considerably since Brawl, and deep down he doesn't want to admit that he's becoming the same thing he had to answer to back when he was in HAL.
That's not really the same thing. MK is an original series in the first place with its own characters and its own lore. Smash has been just one big crossover from entry one so there's nothing that makes a character an inherently better choice just for being first party.
Smash is always primarily Nintendo all-stars despite the tone shift, Soul Cal has cross overs from the outside verse all the time to but no one says SoulCal should have more Star Wars, AssCreed or Nier characters
as for MK, it is similar situation, he had movie guests since MK9 with Freddie Kruger, then a bit more in 10, to fans getting annoyed by it in 11 pushing the limit, although like Smash there is a camp that is in full support of guest characters in MK
I fricking hate these stupid pitgay pictures that don't look anything like an actual armpit. theres not a fricking hole there like a c**t you dumb fricking moron
>best sexiest thighs and legs in the game >BUT LE PIT THOUGH
You brain damaged dumb fricks are just as bad as the feet Black folk I swear, what is that moronic art, kys
Literally all of the picks except Banjo and Terry were purely shilling for recently released or upcoming games. Out of those shill picks only Steve was out of left field because we thought Banjo was Microsoft's only pick.
>Kazuya >Tekken 8
Are you fricking joking? How the frick do you shill for a games that hadn't even been revealed yet? No, this is completely wrong and moronic.
Min Min is boring to use and fight
Steve boring and OP
Sephiroth is cool
Pythra is OP
Kazuya is cool
Sora is a lame as frick character and boring to play/fight
Goemon is hella fun in Remix and I’m very glad we got the full playable Team Starfox, it feels complete just like how 3 Awakening characters may feel to others
>Min Min is boring to use and fight
Incorrect on both counts, she's extremely fun and her lasers are great too you unappreciative homosexual >Steve boring and OP
Only moronic tourneygays believe Steve is "OP" when he's clearly not >Sephiroth is cool
only point I agree with >Pythra is OP
"Pythra"? moronic name, just b***h about Mythra like every unskilled homosexual does >Kazuya is cool
he's fine i guess >Sora is a lame as frick character and boring to play/fight
also wrong on both points, Sora's a lot of fun and his recovery is insane
>Lame character from stupid tech demo launch game >Meme block template character that is instantly skinned out by everyone >Grim shadow death dark mommy issue character who is a walking Linkin Park AMV >Boring hentai characters >Fighting game character in not a real fighting game >Generic JRPG protagonist loved by 500 lb anime high school club fangirls
Would be nice if someone told Sakurai that there exists more to gaming than JRPGs, fighting games and Minecraft, but that's how it goes when a series this important is directed by an idiotic hack.
>Lame character from stupid tech demo launch game >Meme block template character that is instantly skinned out by everyone >Grim shadow death dark mommy issue character who is a walking Linkin Park AMV >Boring hentai characters >Fighting game character in not a real fighting game >Generic JRPG protagonist loved by 500 lb anime high school club fangirls
Would be nice if someone told Sakurai that there exists more to gaming than JRPGs, fighting games and Minecraft, but that's how it goes when a series this important is directed by an idiotic hack.
>Grim shadow death dark mommy issue character who is a walking Linkin Park AMV
Holy shit, kek
Took me a while to realize who you were talking about.
>Would be nice if someone told Sakurai that there exists more to gaming than JRPGs, fighting games and Minecraft, but that's how it goes when a series this important is directed by an idiotic hack.
It's funny because watching over his youtube videos, the guy actually gets around and plays a shitload of different video games and genres. Indies especially. I didn't think a 53-year-old Japanese businessman who works crunch would have time to play so many minor titles on top of the big releases, but the dude keeps up with everything.
>bunch of 3rd party shit >overpowered characters that broke the game - Steve, Pyra, and Kazuya all came from DLC Pack 2 >Nintendo released this, and then immediately stopped doing balance updates, leaving the broken mess they just made permanent
>they should ruin characters because a handful of "pro" players b***hed at them, so others should have their characters neutered because the "pros" suck
>overpowered characters that broke the game
no they didn't, people just b***h in unison until this moronic idea of them being "broken" became the "consensus" around them when it's really just a handful of unskilled whiny homosexuals at best.
>Min Min
likely would've had a rep sooner had development had gone differently, plus Min Min is really popular and ARMS sold really well you homosexual >Pyra+Mythra
Rex was considered, so this was the next best option, and are you really arguing against more waifus? God you're homosexual and a moron. >Sora
One of the most highly requested characters according to Nintendo themselves and fans alike, just because you don't like him for whatever moronic reason doesn't make his addition any less impactful or hype you boring dumbfrick. >All wastes.
Maybe to homosexuals like you with no taste nor appreciation for gaming history.
The reason Sora is so bad is because he doesn't have Donald and Goofy. >Entire point of Hollow Bastion in KH1 was Friendship > Royal Duty >Everytime someone speaks the group they always say "Sora, Donald, Goofy" >Donald and Goofy being in Sora's heart
There's much mire but having no mention of Donald or Goofy with Sora was a fricking mistake. Not to mention KH is Disney with Final Fantasy so having no Disney with Sora was a terrible idea. I'd rather someone else have ended the past.
Nah, whenever Sora fights Sephiroth it's a 1v1 so he shouldn't have Donald or Goofy. The real problem is it's a level 1 run, but without the stupidity of Sora being able to abuse Stop/Gravity or be kh2 Sora instead.
He doesn't have to have them in his moveset but not in his taunts? Or having his FS be trinity limit? Honestly they dropped the ball with Sora. It's not just Donald and Goofy. But when Donald abd Goofy who are in every game and are part of the main trio aren't even a spirit... it's just what were they thinking?
What would you have rather had?
Hard mode: the characters you replace in the pass must have something related to whoever you're replacing them with, be it genre, developer, etc. Needs at least two Nintendo characters.
Remove Min Min and Steve, added Pyra and Mythra to the base roster instead of DLC, change Kazuya for Jin Kazama and add someone else, like Dante or Chun-Li. Then, it would be decent.
blows my mind Chun-Li wasn't in Smash
she's the face of female characters in gaming, before it was even revealed Samus was a woman
that and all the FE/JRPG additions to the roster made me realize Sakurai is as done as Kojima
>Sora most voted for ballot, Banjo and Kazooie a strong runner up >both have simple movesets that are both weak competitively feel off to most comp AND casual players compared to characters Sakurai picks/chooses to work with like Terry, Joker and Sephiroth
If he drags himself into another one somehow I'm not even gonna bother asking for shit if it turns out as fluid as Terry and Pyra/Mythra or as comically enjoyable as Hero and Byleth.
Waluigi is the most broken candidate, he is clearly a top 10 most popular pick but he never even has the chance to show up on polls since he is always deconfirmed early
not to mention Sakurai would have snarky remark against him for whatever reason, like "just because you try hard doesn't meam you can be in smash" like wtf is that supposed to mean lol
I always lose to other soras because they are faster and can do actual combos. I'm just not good at smash. I'm in elite with him though. I find myself playing this crap a lot and I get bored after about 5 or so matches. I'm just happy he's in but he's missing some soul
>Min-Min
a solid pick, ARMS is a good game and a memorable Switch title with Min-Min being the most interesting to use
>Steve >Sephiroth >Sora >Kazuya
guest characters, but Steve and Kazuya are cool, frankly I would've like Yoshimitsu over Kaz in order to do double repping with SoulCal but Kaz is fine, really annoyed how theres 2 Nomura characters that are moreso Playstation guys than anything but whatever
>Pyra
don't care for Xenoblade but a solid pick for the same reason as Min-Min, I can see her making the next one
I really think it was criminal for them to add Joker over someone like Jack Frost, who could have represented both Persona and SMT as a whole. There were some good picks, and some popular picks, but it doesn't feel quite as solid as FP1. Steve also completely doesn't match the aesthetic of the game, and looks out of place and shitty. But people like him and act like it isn't a problem.
>add Cloud >make his inclusion solely about his game, almost every other FF >barely even any content pertaining to it because SE sucks >put Joker in >make it almost exclusively about P5 >add a bit of stuff for P3 and P4, but absolutely nothing for the greater SMT franchise >add Sephiroth >finally add some more stuff from FF7, but still just FF7, no other games
Th-thanks, Sakurai-san...
Honestly, who else could they add for first party Nintendo characters? They pretty much have all the Nintendo characters people want aside from maybe Dixie Kong or another Zelda rep like Impa. If they add obscure shit normies like Arlo will b***h about not knowing them (see Terry)
they could add fricking anyone like they added Piranha Plant, I for one would it it interestering if they expanded on every series in Smash adding 1 or 2 newcomers
even for for Yoshi, whether is a Birdo(although not originated in Yoshi, commonly associated) echo, Poochy or Kamek, I particularly would like Baby Mario & Luigi that function like a superstar saga duo
>Honestly, who else could they add for first party Nintendo characters?
Oh I dunno! Maybe Bandana Dee, Adeline, Marx (Basically any Kirby character tbh), Dillon, Chibi-Robo, Labo-Man, Fossil Fighters rep, BoxBoy, Rhythm Heaven, Advance Wars, Starfy, Famicom Detective Club rep, Impa, Poochy, Nester from the old Nintendo Power Magazine, anything from currently existing franchises like Zelda Mario F-Zero Non-Swordshit Fire Emblem, more goofy one-offs like Game and Watch, ROB and Ice Climbers.
SKYS THE FRICKING LIMIT YET EVERYONE JUST WANTS SHIT THAT ISN'T EVEN ON A NINTENDO CONSOLE LIKE 2B OR MASTER CHEIF
GIVE ME JUST DANCE GIRL
Both versions of Wii Fit sold over 40 million copies and people probably recognize the Wii Fit Trainer over half of the shit in the post you replied to
>Adeline and Marx
Literally only had a major role in one game each
>Dilon >Chibi-Robo >Labo-Man >Fossil Fighters >BoxyBoy >Advance Wars >Starfy >Famiciom Detective Club
None of these franchises are even active anymore or ever reached the same level of popularity like the other stuff in Smash (No, I don't count the Advance Wars remake since people stopped talking about it shortly after it finally came out and probably isn't even going to be released in Japan). Normies would just b***h about there not being another Zelda rep
>Rhythm Heaven
There was going to be a fighter from it in 4 if the leaks and random enemy in Smash Run were anything to go by, but they likely couldn't figure out how a fighter from a series all about rhythm would work.
>Nester
No one in Japan knows who the frick he is.
>F-Zero
There hasn't been a new game in almost twenty years. Why would they waste resources on a character from it
The only characters that I could see being realistic choices are Bandana Dee, Impa or Dixie Kong
Dude, I would fricking love having more obscure shit in Smash, but it's not gonna happen unless they're an assist trophy. They aren't going to waste the development budget on characters people probably won't recognize
>probably won't recognize
theres plenty of literal whos in the roster, like Terry and Lucas is all subjective, they made Piranha Plant work they could make anyone work, they can add the Mad Piano from Mario 64 for all I care which was done in a 64 mod
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Anonymous
Terry is from a franchise that's still continuing, while Lucas game was highly anticipated for years in Japan and was recently released. And everyone knows the Piranha Plant. It's different from shit like Captain Syrup, who's from a dead Mario sub-franchise that hasn't had a new game in 15 years
11 months ago
Anonymous
AW had a game this year and outsells King of Fighters so you can't really say Terry is a bigger star than Andy
nothing against Terry, he is a soulful guest character on the basis that Smash took inspiration from Fatal Fury although like 4 people played it
That's their fault for not playing video games and not knowing anything outside Mario and Pikachu. Sakurai has that same mindset, not realizing people, the core people who are buying Smash - would love seeing more obscure faces as playable characters. 3rd parties fricked up not only the Nintendo side of things, but the fan side of things as well to where you get idiots like
Honestly smash is at the point where pretty everyone you could ever want is in the game, so we’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel here
spewing the same garbage over and over again about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Melee did that when they decided not to add Diddy Kong, Dedede and Wario.
Plenty to add. >Captain Syrup >King Hippo >Stafy >Paula >Balloon Fighter >Isaac >Style Savvy Girl >Dixie Kong >Lord Fredrik >Waluigi >Toad >Skull Kid >Tetra
Or
>Honestly, who else could they add for first party Nintendo characters?
Oh I dunno! Maybe Bandana Dee, Adeline, Marx (Basically any Kirby character tbh), Dillon, Chibi-Robo, Labo-Man, Fossil Fighters rep, BoxBoy, Rhythm Heaven, Advance Wars, Starfy, Famicom Detective Club rep, Impa, Poochy, Nester from the old Nintendo Power Magazine, anything from currently existing franchises like Zelda Mario F-Zero Non-Swordshit Fire Emblem, more goofy one-offs like Game and Watch, ROB and Ice Climbers.
SKYS THE FRICKING LIMIT YET EVERYONE JUST WANTS SHIT THAT ISN'T EVEN ON A NINTENDO CONSOLE LIKE 2B OR MASTER CHEIF
GIVE ME JUST DANCE GIRL
. There's a lot to pull from and you can look at any series represented and pull at least three more reps from it with no problem, never mind characters who are assists or spirits. They got a lot to pull from, but too many homosexual 3rd parties are dictating to Nintendo fans what a Nintendo crossover should add.
>If they add obscure shit normies like Arlo will b***h about not knowing them (see Terry)
Frick them, they're the reason why we can't get guys like Takamaru, Lip and Isa.
theres no denying that Smash is Sakurai playing with his action figures but plenty in Ultimate was added by fan demand, Ninty doesn't give a frick about K Rool and Ridley in particular and wouldn't be there if not for fan demand, also they decided to bring back every vet because they are usually highly demanded after cut no matter who it is
Nobody would give a shit about the DLC characters if the rest of the cast was buffed to deal with their bullshit but the devs fumbled the balancing.
Nobody wants to fight Kazuya, a character who has 19 moves with invincibility. He has the strongest reflector in the game despite having a playstyle that can only be beaten by camping him. Did I mention the frame 8 command grab that can kill you at zero, and kills your opponent first if you use it off stage?
Nobody wants to fight Aegis. Imagine if Sonic had a sword and could actually kill. That's Mythra. Between her FighterZ Bardock tier combo tree, her recovery, and foresight, she's so baffling overtuned that Pyra has next to no use other than being le epic down air woman.
They didn't think the block mechanic through enough with Steve. He can edge guard for free by placing literally one block near the ledge and it invalidates the majority of recoveries. Characters go into stun merely by bumping into his blocks. Steve should have warranted an emergency balancing patch, but Nintendo gave up on Ultimate too quickly. Even Smash 4 had more post DLC patches than Ultimate did.
Why was Fighter Pass 2 so bad? Nintendo can't into balance. They took your money and ran, not one penny went into fixing the universally fricked up multihits, the garbage online, the input delay, the broken auto short hop, the phantom footstooling, the phantom hits, the hurtboxes not matching characters' models, the sluggish movement, the sea of broken recoveries, or certain projectiles putting opponents into 11 (ELEVEN) frames of shield stun.
Why do people hate Sora so much? I've only played KH1 and don't see what the fuss is about. He's barely high tier, I would rather fight a thousand Soras than even one Kazuya.
Now I kind of want to see a newcomer trailer where the whole roster reacts to them with either hatred or flat-out indifference instead of onions-facing. As a proud Rayman gay, even I would get a kick out of seeing no one know who he is, acting more surprised to see the Rabbid that is a part of his moveset rather than him.
>Saki >Hades >Marco >Takamaru
Finally, a rostergay with taste. We were sorely missing a good retro rep in Ultimate. Still butthurt that Mach Rider never got in
Based and interesting picks, but Wobbuffet would be literally impossible, its whole gimmick is that it only ever counterattacks, it learns zero standard attacking moves, only stuff like Counter and status moves.
I didn't really think about it much for Wobbuffet, I just remember liking Wobbuffet as gag in the cartoon awhile back, having a moveset would be unfaithful to what makes him Wobbuffet, maybe he can not be a typical fighter and works like Pac-Man's fire hydrant but he can counter and reflect, kinda like how he was as Pokeball in Melee
I just think another Pokemon trainer would be based and Team Rocket was my favorite idea with others being >Cynthia with Garchomp, Togekiss and Lucario >Hoenn trainer with Mudkip, Grovyle and Blaziken >Hisui trainer with Cyndaquil, Dewott and Decidue >Blue/Gary Oak/Pokemon Champion with Arcanine, Alakazam and Tyranitae
Pretty solid list except replace Lyn with Hector. Lyn is beyond overhyped for a character who is barely the main character when the majority focuses on Eliwood and Hector's journey and hardships.
understood, I'm no FE fan but is the impression I get for who is a character that has lasting appeal, I also thought Micaiah but it seem like she dwindled
3rd parties are tired now that they added nearly 10 straight for DLC, but I guess it makes more sense to have them as DLC given that they are guest characters
before anyone say is a "tendy" thing, the shit happens to Mortal Kombat as well with the recent tone shift of most DLC characters not being MK guys but guest characters from movies and such
That's not really the same thing. MK is an original series in the first place with its own characters and its own lore. Smash has been just one big crossover from entry one so there's nothing that makes a character an inherently better choice just for being first party.
This is particularly dumb when most of the 3rd party additions have close connections with Nintendo. Hell, Banjo & Kazooie are pretty much a first party inclusion repping what were at the time two successful Nintendo games in the N64.
>most of the 3rd party additions have close connections with Nintendo
Ah yes, Joker, Terry, Steve, Sephiroth, and Kazuya all have such deep connections with nintendo, they definitely didn't spend half the DLC on characters from games that are barely on Nintendo systems.
>">most of the 3rd party additions have close connections with Nintendo" >It can't be most of the 3rd parties when less than half of them are exceptions!
Anon did you read before posting or you just wanted to be contrarian for the sake of it
Also you can't even do it right, Steve is in more Nintendo consoles than it is Xbox's, Minecraft everything has released in every Nintendo shape it can and there's even a Nintendo-exclusive Mario pack for the game
still doesn't really give Steve a deep connection to Ninty, plenty of games had nintendo cameos but thats beside the point
When you think of Simon, you think of Castlevania which were premier games of NES and SNES, Simon being a character in Captain N as that for meme shit, same with Megaman
with Sonic you think of Sega Genesis which had a memorable feud with Ninty and now Sonic frequents with Mario
Banjo was literally born a Nintendo guy and when you think of Banjo Kazooie,you think of the N64, this makes them Honorary Nintendo having a meaningful deep connection
>>It can't be most of the 3rd parties when less than half of them are exceptions!
anon there are 8 3rd party DLC characters, even without steve you've admitted 4 of them lack a strong connection to nintendo. So even you admit HALF of them don't, and list i checked "Most" isn't a correct term when you don't actually have more than the other side. Not to mention Minecraft's history with nintendo is only as deep as it is with literally any other console manufacturer, even fricking Samsung. You wouldn't say someone has a "deep bond" with a hooker they hired for a night would you? because that's what minecraft is, a prostitute that's on every system under the sun.
I fully agree with your view on the characters you mention and how Steve's connection isn't deep compared to them, thing is, notice I never said deep, I said close and by all means Minecraft is close to Nintendo, that's facts, Nintendo's done an official collaboration with it (a rarity with a 3rd party title), every console release has been on Nintendo systems, it's one of the best selling 3rd parties in the platform too, yeah, close is right.
I was speaking of 3rd parties in general, nowhere in my post did I talk about the DLC ones only. For your bit in Minecraft refer to the above. Hell, thinking further Terry shouldn't be considered a stranger either, he appeared several times over the years in SNES/GB/GBA games and then the Wii VC and the ACA NEO GEO series on Switch (which did well enough Nintendo themselves associated with Hamster for releases of their own arcade titles).
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still doesn't really give Steve a deep connection to Ninty, plenty of games had nintendo cameos but thats beside the point
When you think of Simon, you think of Castlevania which were premier games of NES and SNES, Simon being a character in Captain N as that for meme shit, same with Megaman
with Sonic you think of Sega Genesis which had a memorable feud with Ninty and now Sonic frequents with Mario
Banjo was literally born a Nintendo guy and when you think of Banjo Kazooie,you think of the N64, this makes them Honorary Nintendo having a meaningful deep connection
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yeah I don't mind Steve, just ultimately comes off as a guest but a great one like Snake, I do find the likes of Joker and the FFVIIs to be obnoxious
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oddly enough Snake is one of the guest that fits better with the main cast being that Metal Gear Solid has a lot of slap stick moments like how Snake hides in a box like a cat for stealth
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That's perfectly valid, I guess a positive from Cloud and Joker is that at least it served as a bridge for their games to finally come to Nintendo systems, but yeah at the time they were as much of an outsider as you could get within 3rd parties that still had some Nintendo appearances
>Why do people never complain about Richter when he has almost no Nintendo ties either?
Because Richter is the most popular Belmont in the series despite IGA trying to ruin him as shown with SotN.
Yep, he's easy to consider a bonus, Simon's there carrying a hella strong Nintendo connection so Richter feels like a cherry on the cake
11 months ago
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Fatal Fury was on the VC? Never knew that
11 months ago
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The OG Fatal Fury, 2, Special, Real Bout 1 & 2 and 3 all made it to the Wii VC (in retrospect, the Wii VC bothering to add NEO GEO as a major platform in the first place does further strengthen SNK's connections with Nintendo)
I'm a Xenoblade fan, I was very happy for Pyra and Mythra's inclusion. They're fun to play as, have an interesting gimmick that's actually viable and worth using unlike Zelda which used to be "turn to Shiek then never touch down B for the rest of the match", good music selection and an amazing stage that was pretty much 1:1 what I had in mind for a Xenoblade 2 stage back when I thought Rex would make the base roster.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I, at least, am satisfied.
Pyra and Mythra destroyed the hype train. Who the frick put Sephiroth as #3? Up to Sephiroth it was a pretty perfect buildup, the final three had so much potential. In hindsight, they should've done (not) Pyra Myrtha -> Min Min -> Kazuya -> Sora ->Minecraft -> Sephiroth. Actually frick it you could've done those final four in any order.
I would put Sephiroth before Kazuya but I see your point
also yeah the timing was also terrible for Pyra all around
>the next dlc after the jrpg guy is... >another jrpg guy
not to mention she debuted in a infamous direct that left a bad taste in many's mouth being filled with random jrpg shit with Pyra feeling like an embodiment of it
Kazuya would've been a wet fart of a finale, no one was hyped he's in, no one hated him sure, but there's an air of "ah, sure, Tekken needed a rep, cool" that'd have turned into disappointment had he closed the game. Sephiroth was cool as frick and really injected the Pass with some much needed excitement again, but as the final one I think there'd have been complaints about ending Ultimate with a second guest from a franchise already in the game. I think it was between Steve and Sora, and considering no one trusted Disney would ever play game (Microsoft had already done so via Banjo), I think they finished on the right choice.
Kazuya isn’t, but who gives a shit about KOF? It’s not on the level of the rest of the 3rd parties. It’s by far the least popular. No one cares that it was relevant 30 years ago. Tekken absolutely mogs KOF in terms of notability.
It's less that it's bad and more that it was the end and they went completely hands off. No more balance patches, no more possible content, no more online.
I thought Sephiroth and a Xenoblade character were obvious. Literally most of FF music and spirits weren’t in the game and 80% of Xenoblade 2’s music wasn’t in the game as well.
What sense does it make not to include both? What makes Dark Pit an unrealistic character for the next Smash game when he's significantly easier to add to Smash than Dark Samus because of all the unique animations.
At least Dark Pit has differences in his kit compared to Pit, Dark Samus doesn't
I replaced dark pit with medusa since I wanted some of palutena's customs to come back as Echo Fighter so I will be humble and say that's entirely on me
if I had to impose some new hypothetical rules to make the idea of a refreshed roster more fun
>Pokemon and Fire Emblem have a rotating roster, meaning it would give a chance for more new pokemons like how every gen has a bunch of new ones but Pikachy stays because his Pikachu >so it would look like Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer based on a new region(like Hisui with Cyndiquil, Dewott andn Decidueu), an Uber like Salamance or Garchomp, a legendary, a popular cutesy mon like Evee, a popular cool mon like Gengar, doesn't have to be the newgen for everyone >I'm guessing Fire Emblem has a similar situation but idk >third parties are strictly DLC unless they are honorary ninty like Sonic and Megaman >for fun state who is directing the game to envision the roster to how they would do it, like Kamiya would add more of his own babies like Bayonetta whos already in so like Amateratsu and Wonder Red and such >use a new engine so smash staples aren't as safe
I think Daisy should get some decloning to semi status along with Dark Samus.
I do like Waluigi next to Wario since although not really of Wario origin, frequently associated with Wario.
Dixie Kong I feel could be another semiclone like Isabelle, using her hair, bubblegum, and maybe even her guitar.
Impa I warmed up to and yeah I don't mind her replacing Sheik since she is an actual Sheikah plus she offers new things to take from the BoTW trilogy
including the Naruto shit she does in Age of Calimity but I prefer the amazonian SS/HW look you have with her Nagitana.
Medusa yeah, shes solid Echo materal since she uses a staff like palutena and can just have gorgon characteristic to palutena's kit .
Robin I feel can just be soft replaced by Isaac who's in the roster, Lucina seems like enough for awakening since shes more of the star of it.
for a Xenoblade guy. I would prefer Elma being a gunslinger that dualwields but I understand shes not as relevant, on a sidenote I feel Baten Kaitos is worth mentioning when speaking of monolith guys.
I do love Hisuian Trainer coming in rotation from Pokemon Trainer since it keeps the concept of having the main premise of Pokemon represented while adding 3 new mons .
Officer Howard I can see being an interesting blend of Rosalina's Luma puppet and Joker's Arsene Mechanic that would feel fresh.
Ihaven't really warmed up to Diskun as retro guy, I mean I always like them anyways but I feel that there are better choices but I wouldn't mind anyways.
Ring Fit Trainee, yeah she is a solid WFT replacement all day.
Octoling maybe a semi, since theres plenty more Splatoon tools left to be used but I don't really care.
most 3rd Parties feel like guest characters so I don't see most coming back and frankly would rather not to
that being said Hero a minor gripe is that I rather haver Erdick be the main face of Hero over Luminary
I love Bomberman, and Ryu Hayabusa is underrated, he is like on the level of Simon Belmont,
I ain't even mad, us we Bandanabros got some good copium with his Rivals of Aether workshop kit is awesome
other Kirby characters are also well made in RoE like Magolor, Gooey and Dark Matter, I wish I can say the same for Adeleine but I digress.
I wish his PMEX kit was better, is pretty much the same as Smash Flash 2 but some animations come off kinda stiff looking, not as great as the Knuckles and Shadow mods which look official in quality
That sounds like ass, I'm all for Slime since he actually has a lot of moveset potential but mixing him with a Chocobo is a horrible idea, specially if that's the only representation DQ and FF get
>Min Min
Arms is shit and abandoned >Steve and Alex
Not a Minecraft fan but this was hype >Sephiroth
Cool but was Cloud not enough? >Pyra & Mythra
Nice >Kazuya
Awesome >Sora
KH sucks
FP2 is way better than FP1 >Joker doesn’t represent how he plays in his own game in the slightest. >Hero is the best part of the pass, unfortunately his music selection sucks >long awaited Banjo plays like total ass >Terry is a literally who that reuses Ryu’s gimmick >not even 3 houses fans wanted Byleth
FE wouldn't be so bad if they went with lords that a proven to be popular over time like Lyn rather than use the most recent guy no one knows yet to shill the latest FE
I think every character belongs in smash besides Sora. What a fricking baffling choice. I purposefully bought the 2nd wave dlc individually just so he wouldnt be in my roster
still not really a deep connection, no one thinks of Ninty when thinking of Tekken, he is about on the level of Snake when it comes to Ninty connection
Snake has a way bigger nintendo connection than Tekkenman Blade. Snake at least can claim his debut game as being on the NES, even if he didn't become famous until way later.
>Why do people never complain about Richter when he has almost no Nintendo ties either?
Because Richter is the most popular Belmont in the series despite IGA trying to ruin him as shown with SotN.
No, you're right about the design. It only shows people don't know shit about the NES design and only care about his modern design or, they simply want a 3rd party to shill and leaned on him just because.
Without question. Keep in mind Hayabusa only got traction because of his name was thrown around in false leaks and all it took was for people to look him up and immediately they latched onto him, because cool ninja, mirite? Not denying there aren't Ninja Gaiden fans who would love to see him, but bandwagoners are a thing for a reason.
I really don't know what other Pikmin character you can add other than Louie, which works well for Louie Bros, the only other options are like >other captains using other pikmins as semi clones >Oatchi maybe? >Emperor Bulbax, though more boss material
Louie mogs everyone else with his distinct personality and using bugs as the bug master is hella interesting
Most of the captains could work with Olimar as a Koopalings deal but Louie does deserve his own moveset with how vicious he gets
That said I could see them adding Captain & Oatchi as a second playable rep for the next Smash
Oh, that actually would be cool, but I meant Nintendo vs SNK. >Jack Frost
I'm still a little irritated that there was nothing from Megaten outside of P5's main cast as jpg's and music from P3-5. It's a pipe dream, but I'd love the SMT1 hero as a character in the next Smash. Or Aleph from SMT2.
>First pass you could tell that they were trying to keep the characters relatively balanced, excluding Joker, after the shit show that was Smash 4 DLC power creep >Second pass they just completely said frick it who cares lmao just make them broken
Over abundance of JRPG shit just because the game happens to be made in Japan, if Smash were developed in the west we’d probably get some shit like Abbey from TLOU2 or a GTA Character but they would still be better than shit like Joker and Byleth
>TLOU2 or a GTA Character but they would still be better than shit like Joker and Byleth
eh these are my most hated(well Sora more than Byleth) but even I wouldn't take Abby, atleast fembyleth is hot also I would find both movesets boring compared to Byleth as much as I love GTA(precisely the PS2 era) all you do is is Punch, steal cars and shoot guns
if I had to pick a GTA character I would like Tommy the most although Kenny Wu was from the DS game, if I had to think of a fighting style it comes of as Nick Brawl levels of jarring
>typical brawling for nuetrals and tilts >melee weapons like Bat, Chainsaw, Nightstick, Taser and Katana for Smash and Aerials >Specials is guns, vehicles, jetpack for recovery >maybe have long cheat code inputs as a special mechanic(had this idea reserved for Bill Rizer in contra with the contra code, but it can work for a GTA guy) >Final Smash is a fighter jet and or tank
heh nevermind it can be soul if you try, but still I'm sick of guest characters and is not the best fit for Smash, oddly sounds like Frank West of Deadrising in other fighters
As much as I don’t mind Min Min, we were so close to having Lola Pop with her CLUSSY in Smash *Honking* as she kicks your ass making (you) look like the Clown
>ARMS character with more conventional moveset
I actually like it. Give her Min min's normals, remove the reflect from up smash, you've got a nice new fighter, despite your horny ass.
Pass 1: >Joker
most unnecessary addition in smash history. Mute, personality void who will be disposed the second P6 comes out (only persona MC who has longevity is makoto) >Hero
legit good choice >Banjo
legit good choice >terry
there are like 4 FG characters who should have gotten over him, 1 being released in FP2. KoF/FF aren't major enough despite their history >Byleth
the worst addition in smash history
pass 2: >min min
new nintendo first party series addition >Steve
avatar of the most popular game of all time, warrented >sephiroth
second only to bowser/ganondorf in terms of being iconic, warrented >pyra/mythra
additions for a nintendo first party that was overdue for a new character >kazuya
rep of the second largest FG series ever after SF >Sora
ballot winner
Come on anon, regardless of how you feel about his standing in gaming, don't tell me Terry didn't justify his inclusion tenfold with 50 musical masterpieces and the best new stage in Ultimate
But not every series has both good music in quality AND quantity, let alone to the extent of fifty freaking songs, and on top of that a stage with such a good gimmick people want it as a general feature for all in the game.
Plus SNK is huge outside of the States, fair game to rep them, it's arguably one of the most soulful inclusions in a game where every other character except him and Banjo was added to promote a recent release
>Plus SNK is huge outside of the States,
no it's not, the BIG IN MUH SOUTH AMERICA is a moronic meme. Not even hating on KoF but it's the truth. We should have gotten scorpion/sol badguy/nightmare over him
Have you any proof to support your take or are just being contrarian for the sake of it? Latin America breathes SNK games like it was oxygen
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negative sales figures
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Black person people here played it on the arcade machines, You can't measure KoF's popularity with sales figures.
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If KoF was as popular as the south america soothsayers claim it is, the games in the post arcade era should be consistently selling at least a million
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No, because KoF was already out of it's peak by the time the games became only available on consoles, and Latin America is just not Big enough to make an Impact in terms of console and game sales, but that doesn't mean the series is not historically and culturally significant.
As I said before, You can't measure KoF's relevance by using sales numbers.
yeah, anyone saying Terry is a star is deluded but there is some soul to picking Terry with how apparently Fatal Fury was inspirational to Smash Bros which is a cool nod
I agree Scorpion would be awesome, he may be censored but for Scorpion case it would be the point, given the controversial history Mortal Kombat has on the SNES being censored, it would be kino if the reference it with "sweat" coming out of fighters that Scorpion hits
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Terry set up the precedent that you don't need to be the most well-known worldwide to get into Smash as long as your home franchise/company can bring a lot to the table in terms of content and uniqueness.
It's a shame that most of the other DLC picks after him were either boringly safe or already highly-demanded, because there's definitely a few other lesser-known guest characters that I think would've worked great for Smash.
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yeah it was refreshing to get s lesser known guy that wasn't a gag character ever since like Lucas
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Arle I get, but Takkosuke is never ever territory since there hasn't been a new Parodius in over 20 years aside from pachinko shit
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My cope is that they'd choose Tako (Takosuke is actually the name of his son in two of the later games) to represent the entire Gradius franchise (along with Konami's other shooting games) because the Vic Viper would be too impractical to animate as a fighter. Even in the Parodius games where the ship is depicted as sentient, it's still never depicted with visible limbs in gameplay or manual/promo artwork.
Tako would be able to animate like the other "waddling head" fighters like Kirby, Meta Knight and Jigglypuff, while still being able to use his SHMUP tools as well (helps that he has the same loadout as one of the Vic Viper's possible weapon sets in Gradius II.)
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Terry is one of the most soulful inclusions they could have done and it's a terrible shame to see anons in this thread dismissing him simply because he wasn't one of the trillion characters people have discussed to death to the point if they finally make it they'll come as a given.
11 months ago
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You just reminded me of how I'm still unhappy how Panel de Pon never got more than one music track and an item to this day. Puzzle games are just ignored in general outside of Dr. Mario.
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I'm unhappy that there hasn't been a new Panel de Pon game in years, not even a simple eShop exclusive
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I blame the literally soulless 3DS entry for killing the franchise. Why they thought even JP wanted a completely personality less version of the game is beyond me (and then to add insult to injury they dummied out the hidden Lip stage in the non-JP versions).
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>Terry set up the precedent that you don't need to be the most well-known worldwide to get into Smash as long as your home franchise/company can bring a lot to the table in terms of content and uniqueness.
And then Sakurai followed that up with Byleth which makes that statement fall flat on its face and lose all meaning, then he says shit like “Smash is a celebration of gaming” while revealing another FE character
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come on. you know is Sakurai that wants all the FE shit
Corrin is infinitely worse because >released as the one DLC Nintendo newcomer in a game that had already added 2 FE characters in the base game and another as DLC >from a game that hadn't even released worldwide >said title ended up being disliked by most of the fandom anyway >no stage and only a pitiful track
It was Corrin who shat the bed with FE representation in Smash, Byleth earned their spot as FE3H had already proved itself by the time Byleth released and ended up the best selling game in the series and also one of the most loved, Byleth isn't to blame for the series' mishandling in Smash
>Byleth earned their spot as FE3H had already proved itself by the time Byleth released
Byleth got in the pass despite the game being closer to the DLC release date despite springman/rex not getting in the base game for the same excuse. It was peak FE favoritism, Byleth is also worse because Sakurai himself said there were too many FE characters but then another one got added (plus chrom as a semi-echo)
And again FE3H easily deserves a rep on its own merits, it isn't its fault that prior to Byleth's arrival the series has been so mismanaged in Smash.
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No, he doesn't. TH got special privilege before the quality of the game was even known, that alone is horseshit plus how oversatured the FE crew already was.
I don't know what you're complaining about when both ARMS and XC2 later got characters anyway
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you're missing the point, a shitty nobody FE character no one cares about (unlike dimitri/edlegard) from an already over-repped series got special favors for no reason. ARMS and xenoblade getting reps later is irrelevant, especially when they were warranted characters and actually fit their release timelines
>Byleth earned their spot as FE3H had already proved itself by the time Byleth released and ended up the best selling game in the series and also one of the most loved, Byleth isn't to blame for the series' mishandling in Smash
Byleth didn't earn shit. He/She was planned to be in Smash Ultimate regardless since Sakurai had access to early prototypes of 3H before 3H was even out.
Also Byleth is a terrible avatar when compared to Corrin. Literally has no customization or dialogue outside of voice battle dialogue.
Just incase for the moronic Byleth fans thinking I'm lying: >"I had asked Three Houses’ development team for a rundown of the game and ended up playing it in secret after borrowing a production ROM. As for putting forward a proposal, you have to come up with something early or talks with the team can’t start. For example, you can’t create a sound without a motion to produce it, and you can’t have motion without a model, and you can’t make a model without developing a plan for it first. Planning encompasses a wide variety of factors, too: you’ve got stages and balancing, debug, PR, the works. The higher up the business there is the sooner we take care of it, but I’m the one that sets up the foundation for everything. To that end it was pretty much required that I be intimately familiar with the source material. >I’m no stranger to games, I typically play them a good deal, actually; and if you have that sort of experience, things like the story and its direction generally come to you more quickly. >Even so, you can’t really do much with a game that hasn’t been released yet! So, I continued working on other things alongside Three Houses’ development.
https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-the-creation-of-byleth-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate/
If Ultimate wasn't rushed at launch we would have seen Byleth be a part of the base roster akin to Plant.
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Byleth was a happy accident in the sense that in retrospect FE3H was adored by fans and did well commercial too, so they lucked into repping a game that'd have merited recognition down the road anyway, but it's true the way they went about it is complete BS and shows a bizarre favoritism toward a series that is already massively overrepresented for the little impact it's made.
It'd be different if other Nintendo IPs also saw a similar level of attention but somehow it's just FE that sees representation on par with Mario and Pokémon despite being leagues underneath them
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fire emblem has been around since the nes and has a new main character every game, it is what it is
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They don't have to go with the default characters, reinforced in the DLC with Min Min and Pyra/Mythra. In a better world Sheik would've set a precedent and every other Zelda releasing would've added the most prominent character not already playable in Smash (so Midna for TP or Ghirahim for Skyward for instance)
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>They don't have to go with the default characters,
i agree but minmin got in because someone suggested her, pyra/mythra is basically the deuteragonist
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>They don't have to go with the default characters, reinforced in the DLC with Min Min and Pyra/Mythra.
Sakurai's strange explanations on how Min-Min and Pyra/Mythra represent their game as main characters almost tells me this isn't true; that Sakurai refuses to go with anything that isn't a main protagonist unless pushed. Which would be why series like Kirby and Zelda don't get enough, because their main characters often stay the same.
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Think the issue is that Smash doesn't seem to bother enough with adding core characters to franchises still missing some unless it's to promote a new release. Under this scenario the FE series is almost tailor made to keep receiving newcomers until the end of the universe.
But seeing how it took until Ultimate for DK to finally get K. Rool or Metroid to receive Ridley at long last, they should keep in mind a better balance when they invariably add yet another FE fighter. Just saying, "yeah another FE character but look here's Dixie/Impa/etc too" would go a long way.
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pyra and mythra were a concession, rex+pyra didn't work because switch's hardware is awful
Min min is a weird scenerio, it's rare that a non-MC gets in
they are terrible for the same reason but as time went on Byleth has more lasting appeal being from a game thag was good while Corrin is from a forgetable game, also we already had a couple of 3DS FE guys while you can make the case that theres now other Switch FE guy although imo, we don't really need one
if it were up to me, I wouldn't keep either of them at all, honestly not much from FE is truly necessary beyond Marth and Lucina as an echo/costume and Ike is just cool, I will say someone like Lyn does have lasting appeal while the rest in Smash feels more forgetable as the clock ticks
I can see the logic in going with Byleth to appear impartial but that's thrown out of the window with Pokémon always favoring one of the starters so yeah def should have been Edelgard instead of Byleth
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They always pick the most popular starter with the exception of incineroar where they had to guess and made the wrong decision unlike greninja
>there are like 4 FG characters who should have gotten over him, 1 being released in FP2. KoF/FF aren't major enough despite their history
considering smash exists partly due to kof I say he deserves to be in
corrin is the second worst, byleth is worse because it's a follow up on corrin
Corrin is infinitely worse because >released as the one DLC Nintendo newcomer in a game that had already added 2 FE characters in the base game and another as DLC >from a game that hadn't even released worldwide >said title ended up being disliked by most of the fandom anyway >no stage and only a pitiful track
It was Corrin who shat the bed with FE representation in Smash, Byleth earned their spot as FE3H had already proved itself by the time Byleth released and ended up the best selling game in the series and also one of the most loved, Byleth isn't to blame for the series' mishandling in Smash
they are terrible for the same reason but as time went on Byleth has more lasting appeal being from a game thag was good while Corrin is from a forgetable game, also we already had a couple of 3DS FE guys while you can make the case that theres now other Switch FE guy although imo, we don't really need one
if it were up to me, I wouldn't keep either of them at all, honestly not much from FE is truly necessary beyond Marth and Lucina as an echo/costume and Ike is just cool, I will say someone like Lyn does have lasting appeal while the rest in Smash feels more forgetable as the clock ticks
Both are trash and will ruin the acceptability of other FE characters who should’ve been in before these 2 shits even existed such as Lyn, Hector or Ephraim
Lucina is the worst of all those 3. At least those two are the leads in their game.
This cancerous b***h chumped her fricking dad out the game, who's one of the leads in his game along with Robin who at least got in and isnt another fricking Marth derivative.
A kh2 or recoded or kh3 move set would have easily been Goated.
He could have made it so that sora has a drive gauge and can use it to go into a drive form which grants different movement, abilities, and specials. Even if he stuck to kh1, he could have made sonic blade a ground only super fast combo move. He could have added strike raid as the neutral b. He could have made up special a ragnarok aimed towards the ground. He could have made ars arcanum sora’s down special. I’m genuinely curious how Sakurai fumbled the bag so hard.
Come on, the final character that was so hyped for one of the most widespread games in the industry? İts gonna have to take more effort.
Generally İ like the idea of comboing midair. But its the fact that they're the most boring combos from KH1 that makes me sad and they put it into his moveset QUADRİCE. They didnt even include the various ground-combo finishers or the ONE aerial finisher that comes always at the end of the combos.
Min Min literally doesn't have a full move set. All of her attacks, whether they're in the air, on the ground, or smash attacks, are just "she punches." It's accurate to ARMS, I guess: limited and incredibly uninteresting.
Delusion. We can't even get a moveset overhaul for characters that actually need it like Sonic and Ganondorf. Let alone the fact that Sakurai hates nu-Kirby.
Honestly it’s definitely time for Sakurai to step down from Smash. He can say what he wants about
>“not being able to imagine the series going on without him”
But he has these really bizarre grudges against certain series and his ideologies for Smash are getting really stale and predictable, in a way it holds Smash itself back from reaching an all new potential with a new vision.
What would he do, inhale big objects from off screen regardless of if the objects would actually be there? Where would he find a traffic cone while fighting on the outside of a sapaceship?
Delusion. We can't even get a moveset overhaul for characters that actually need it like Sonic and Ganondorf. Let alone the fact that Sakurai hates nu-Kirby.
>Up Smash: The Rock Fist Uppercut >Side Smash: Move Hammerflip here >Down Smash: Rock moved here but heavier and has more forms, can still slide down slopes but it can attack doing so now
>F-Air: The Ice figureskating twirl
>Up B: The Firecracker fusion from 64, where you can have 3 more jumps while attacking >Side B: Plasma shots(varies just like in SS where you can more static through friction >Down B: The Soda Machine mouthful that shoots rng items like cans or food like fridge kirby in 64
Xenoblade, Fire Emblem and Persona are my two favorite JRPGs series of all time
Minecraft and Banjo Kazooie are two of my favorite overall series of all time
FF, KH amazingg series as well and probably in my top 30.
Don't give a shit about Tekken, Arms, or KoF.
never forget how she was patched so they can make sure she is 1:1 to Peach, that was grim
also they can frick off having a Dark Samus using more unique moves as an AT but a total clone as a fighter in Ultimate when she has a frick ton of source material to use, yes fricking Isabelle got the semi treatment usinf completely made up shit
>b-but she's popular
not more popular than Daisy yet Daisy is a total clone so it all gets so questionable
Isabelle got the semi-clone treatment because she was nothing more than a advertisement for New Horizons.
Can't have a literal shill rep be some echo when you need them to be a semi-unique to promote their game.
I'll take it, is not too unwarranted given that AC outsells Pokemon now, but thats not everything, just saying
anywho Tom Nook would be awesome moving around like a Tanooki suit mario, attacking with huge money bags and gag shit like literally taxing the opponents health
Tom Nook's gimmick should likely be building things, considering he manages housing and infrastructure. As for Isabelle, I think she should take the Lloid Rocket from Villager, give him the fishing rod, and lose the pocket ability in exchange for something like singing, protecting herself with a slowing field while music notes fan out from her and deal some scratch damage to nearby opponents. Let her up smash stop projectiles from the front, too.
he has point, you can't center a trailer around an echo when Isabelle easily could've been one but is convenient for Isabelle to not be one so they can showcase AC subliminally
also as stated, Daisy is also super popular, arguably even more than Isabelle so why not make her a semi clone aswell? even Chrom and Ken have less cloned sets but they are nowhere near as popular as Daisy
If Isabelle got it because of authentic popularity then they wouldn't have to promote New Horizons in her trailer.
The fact they did means she was only included because Isabelle inclusion in Smash Bros means more interest in the upcoming Animal Crossing title.
No different from how Roy was included in Melee to promote Fire Emblem 6.
>No different from how Roy was included in Melee to promote Fire Emblem 6.
its not even slightly similar, Isabelle is popular as frick fe 6 wasnt even out yet
The issue I have with Ashley being the most popular Warioware pick is she just isn't goofy enough to represent the series as she's supposed to be a moody character against a bunch of bizzare and upbeat characters. Giving Warioware it's own wacky character in Smash could not only please people who want more representation of that series, but could free Wario up to better represent Wario Land. I don't know, I'm just throwing around ideas.
I envision Ashley using Red like Rosalina's Luma who is also involved in a cauldron cooking Down B similar to Villager's down by but with 3 routes with throwing Red in the pot >vertical explosion red sacrifice >summoning a stationary Plant monster >giving Red a swole muscle man form briefly
depending how long Ashley stirs the pot
if Pac-Man doesn't make it, I hope they would compromise and make 9-volt illegally download some of his moves like his B and Smashes but ofc sprites from obscure NES games which would fit 9-volt perfectly
always felt they wanted both passes to be all guest characters and if the deal fell through then they would use a first party character as filler. pretty sure it was confirmed that happened with sora but then disney came back later and was like actually go ahead.
I'm 50/50 on it being on the Nintendo purist side, I don't like too many guest characters but they definitely make more sense to have as DLC, imagine if WoL had a Persona section
Sora happened because Sakurai met a Disney exec who brought it up. Nomura ended up being the one holding out.
Disney was fine with Sora being added, while Nomura was hesitant, apparently because he was trying to figure out how him joining Smash would affect the KH lore or some other dumb shit.
I never want to see phoenix wright in smash and I say that as someone who likes ace attorney. He already wasted a slot in UMvC3, he's not meant to be a fighting character
I think steve, sora and kazuya are fine enough, I really just didn't give a frick about the others. Did FF7 need 2 reps? No. Did we need some dlc character from a nintendo game no one cares about? Also no. More xenoblade is fine, it's becoming a big series but for dlc? It's a hard pill to swallow when your pass has min-min.
Here's what I'd do.
>Famicom Detective Club girl
They're bringing it worldwide for the first time and she was meant for melee, could boost a whole series internationally. ARMs finished selling, save spring-man for the next game
>Steve
>Ryu Hayabusa
Get Tecmo on the board, it's criminal how left out they were despite being such frequent Nintendo collaborators.
The rest could be the same. I think it's pass 1 I'd fix up more. I'm not in the mood to write up my replacements so I'll just say out.
>Joker
OUT. What a boring fricking character, if his framedata wasn't good for so long no one would play him.
>Hero
Amazing
>Banjo
Needs to be tweaked somewhat. Unique down b and allow egg swaps. As-is very unspecial.
>Terry
Yeah okay he's fine
>Byleth
OUT. Enough FOTM FE as dlc. They must find doing this boosts the frick out of sales or something because no way are they unaware of how much this pisses most people off.
>More xenoblade is fine, it's becoming a big series but for dlc? It's a hard pill to swallow when your pass has min-min. >immediately suggests famicom detective club after for an inclusion
ARMs is seen as done. FDC was just about to get a release, the timing would have worked out a lot better in this scenario where I'm in charge and trying to make it make sense. The sheer amount of goodwill our pass will have from normies for including steve and sora would be enough to get us a new series an international audience. Plus she'd actually be the main character not some dev's waifu. Smash nerds will love it since she was cut from melee too. Covers much more bases.
I see evidence for something like DBZ and Saint Seiyah beinf popular in Mexico but never KoF, I even asked my friends from Mexico if it has any presence there, but idk maybe is not in mexico that is popular
It honestly disgusts me how there are people who want a port of Ultimate keeping all the same garbage instead of a fresh built from the ground up reboot, Never forget, Smash Ultimate is Smash 4 Port, the reused Victory Themes and Results Music are a big example
>instead of a fresh built from the ground up reboot
because I don't want the chances for my characters to get reduced even harder because the game now only has Mario, Kirby, Pokemon and FE characters and it'll take 20 more years for it to get as big in character count again
>Victory themes
Recycled from Brawl. In fact, Brawl was the last game that added new victory themes and new voice clips for a lot of characters, especially the Mario ones.
I gotta say, I do like the recent shift in rostergayging to prioritize lasting impact over recency/relevance, after adding K Rool and Banjo more are seeing the light to getting someone like Skull Kid or Midna, not trying to coat tail with them just saying they are memorable characters with lasting impact that don't really show up much anymore
First 2 chars never have to interact with you, 3rd char is meh, but at least balanced.4th char is hyper autism tryhard mode, 5th char is skilless input memorization, and sora is just boring.
>literal who >iconic but ultimately boring looking non-character >superfluous since Cloud already got in >more xenoblade shilling(only 3 people played this game) >B-list gaming icon >Actually neat
>Pirahna Plant
Fine >Joker
Extremely lame >Hero
Based >Banjo
Fine >Terry
Based >Byleth
Terrible >Min Min
Terrible >Steve
Terrible >Sephiroth
Terrible >Pyra and whoever
Terrible >Kazuya
Fine >Sora
Terrible
I don't really care but she does seem warranted, but I had to pick a Xenoblade guy, I would take Mumkhar or Elma over her any day, but at this point I prefer the guy from Baten Kaitos if we were to get another monolith guy, honestly Shulk is truly necessary although I still think it was warranted at the end of the day
I hope they never make another Onions Bros because nobody cares about gameplay anymore it's just moronic rostergayging 24/7 >dude what if captain crunch got it >dude heres my theoretical move list for captain crunch >dude let me list my made up reasons for why a character can or can't get in the game >dude what if Stan from South Park gets in >dude what if Adam Sandler gets in >dude >dude >dude
if you spend that much time theorizing about what characters could make it into a bing bing wahoo game you should unironically have a nice day. I can't think of a bigger waste of time. Smashing your fingers with a hammer would at least give you the life experience of seeing what it's like to not use a hand for awhile.
I'd only accept something like this, if this is explicitly a spinoff game handled by a different team and not the next big installment in the series. It would be nothing but PR suicide otherwise
Kat & Ana as Icies Echoes probably would’ve been the best utilization of the echo concept but they wasted it on obvious picks and they already done that in the past with Falcondorf in Melee
>Pirahna Plant
Filler no one wanted and for a game that needed more development time, that fact leaves a bad taste. >Joker
Bad. I'm not even a SMT fan, but Jack Frost should have been chosen over him. He's the franchise mascot and has a much more iconic design. He was also on Nintendo consoles before Smash Ultimate. >Hero and Banjo
Both good picks. Dragon Quest is extremely popular in Japan and has a good place in gaming history and on Nintendo. Banjo was huge for the N64 and its not like he had much of a history after Rare stopped making games for Nintendo. Having them revealed back to back felt like a way to please both Popular McJRPG and Scrimblo Bimblo fans at the same time. >Terry
Meh pick. King of Fighters inspired Smash, but it doesn't have much history with Nintendo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last game that wasn't just being emulated from the online services or a compilation on a Nintendo system was on the GBA. He really sticks out like a sore thumb. >Byleth
Meh pick. Same complaints as everyone else. I have been harshly rating these characters on how much history they have with Nintendo, but Byleth was one of the worst possible choices for a Nintendo rep with the oversaturation of Fire Emblem that is mostly made up of clones.
>Min Min
Good pick. Representation of a newer Nintendo series that's a fighting game too. >Steve
Good pick. Being the best selling video game of all time and being on recent Nintendo systems makes up for a lot. >Sephiroth
Bad pick. We didn't need another Final Fantasy rep and if we did, we didn't need another one from 7 considering how vast the series is. >Pyra and Mythra
Good pick because of representing newer Nintendo and being something people want even if I don't care for them. >Kazuya
Bad pick. Same problems as Terry without the excuses. >Sora
Meh pick. One of the most requested Smash characters and having decent Nintendo history is all I can give him. His association with Disney characters really made him seem like a character that would open the floodgates of what's allowed in Smash, but then they didn't do much with it and that kind of takes away from him. He was always going to be a mixed choice no matter what they did. The DLC as a whole was just average. Too many characters that lost the meaning of Smash. Next game needs a course correction.
>Min Min
Good pick. Representation of a newer Nintendo series that's a fighting game too. >Steve
Good pick. Being the best selling video game of all time and being on recent Nintendo systems makes up for a lot. >Sephiroth
Bad pick. We didn't need another Final Fantasy rep and if we did, we didn't need another one from 7 considering how vast the series is. >Pyra and Mythra
Good pick because of representing newer Nintendo and being something people want even if I don't care for them. >Kazuya
Bad pick. Same problems as Terry without the excuses. >Sora
Meh pick. One of the most requested Smash characters and having decent Nintendo history is all I can give him. His association with Disney characters really made him seem like a character that would open the floodgates of what's allowed in Smash, but then they didn't do much with it and that kind of takes away from him. He was always going to be a mixed choice no matter what they did. The DLC as a whole was just average. Too many characters that lost the meaning of Smash. Next game needs a course correction.
Outside of Banjo, Sora and maybe Hero, no one was clamoring for these shit picks. I’m not saying if the character choices were better, the game wouldn’t be as dead, but it’d sure be more fun. Even the characters that were requested, Banjo and Sora are boring to fight. Honestly dude, the choices were dog shit all around, their implementation sucked and it’s a dead game. Sakurai is an idiot.
Frick all that. It was just terrible DLC. Our ideas unironically would’ve been better. We also wouldn’t have given the DLC characters lame comeback mechanics. No one’s getting back on Smash in 2023 to play as this Byleth, Pyra or Min Min bullshit. It’s silly. Sakurai should be smacked.
He was a complete literal who to me, I don’t care if he surprised everyone at Game Awards 2018, he still feels like an odd choice and only resulted in people b***hing for Purse Owner on Switch, I also hate how the inclusion has rubbed on Remix 64 also putting a Mementos Stage in it which is very jarring.
They pandered too hard to RPG’s. Half of them are from RPG’s >Joker
RPG >Hero
RPG >Banjo
Platformer >Terry
Fighting >Byleth
RPG >Min Min
Fighting >Steve
Sandbox >Sephiroth
RPG >Pyra/Mythra
RPG >Kazuya
Fighting >Sora
RPG
7 out of 12 are from RPG’s. 3 are from fighters. This leaves Banjo and Steve as the only outliers, if you’re taking genre into account. Basically, unless you were an RPG or fighting fan, you had VERY slim pickings when it came to which characters you had to get excited about. Yes I know FE, DQ and KH aren’t particularly the exact same type of RPG, but RPG characters tend to play similarly since they all have swords. I’m also aware Japan is fond of RPG’s and the rest of the world is to an extent, but why the FRICK did they pander so goddamn hard? Not everyone is into those games. They just didn’t bother to make the DLC appealing to everyone. They could’ve had some horror characters, hack and slash, FPS, literally anything but fricking HALF OF THE DLC being from RPG’s. The blatant favoritism killed it.
Half of them are from Nomura games, nobody cares about Arms but Sakurai is obliged to his fellow developers. Steve is zoomercore and Kazuya is boring.
>1/3rd is 1/2
nintendo math lmfao
He's not wrong though, although Nomura was only a character designer on Xenoblade 2.
These are his designs for Xenoblade 2.
Nomura didn't design Pyra and Mythra but he worked on Xenoblade 2. His influence can't be denied
if he was influential on xenoblade 2 the characters wouldn't look like shit.
Then who design Malos or Jin?
Nomura did Jin
he did the whole Torna group
is that why they were the shittiest designed characters in the game?
better than the same face saitom characters
>Nomura didn't design Pyra and Mythra but he worked on Xenoblade 2. His influence can't be denied
that's like saying 3rd Birthday is a Nomura game because he designed the characters.
Nomura publically acknowledges Takahashi as his master. The only influence he had on that game is swooning evey time Takahashi opened his mouth or made a decision. That's the only reason he even worked on it
>nobody cares about Arms
I do, and ARMS should've had a rep at launch, this is simply fixing what should've been done sooner. Besides, ARMS has great character designs.
>Half
Only two are.
dumbasses think XB2 is a Nomura game because he designed the Tonra crew
2 out of 6 is not half. Nomura didn't direct FF7, Kitase did. You moron.
This, Sephiroth and Sora were picks for moronic man babies who can't get over their childhoods
do you ever read your own posts and realize how overwhelmingly moronic you sound?
Only 2 Nintendo characters
crossovers were a mistake
Smashgays when nintendo adds popular third party characters instead of Cranky Kong
Cranky Kong is cool
MUGENgays when they get called out for liking 3rd party slop
Cranky Kong would be much cooler than gay shit like Sora and more people know who Cranky Kong is than Terry, maybe even Sephiroth at this point with the Mario movie although his character sucked there
I still find it hilarious that people wanted the fricking hat goomba from kirby
>JRPG gays making twitter-esque posts
Shocker.
>crossovergays when nintendo adds nintendo characters to a nintendo game
Literally this. I fricking hate this moronic "hype culture". If every single new character is from a non-Nintendo game, it becomes the norm and not the exception. Smash was always about being a celebration of Nintendo and I hate how it's less about Nintendo and more about "what random homosexual 3rd party will make for the best livestream reactions so our game gets more free advertising?"
too much jrpg shit
is funny how every wave of DLC had the same archetype since Smash 4
>fighting game guy
Ryu, Terry and Kazuya
>3rd party jrpg guy
Cloud, Hero(and Joker) and Sephiroth
>in house rpg guy
Corrin, Byleth, Pyra
Hilarious Microsoft provides the only exceptions
I remember there was a time when you did 40% for nothing it was just for Meta Knight's final smash in Brawl. Now it's commonplace. Frick Ultimate.
I don't like Sora. Which is weird cause everyone was so hyped about him being finally in the game just for all Smash discussion to die immediately after he was added.
That's how most characters are. Lots of hype around them but they have the worst moveset you've ever seen when a fan could do justice 30x better. Even your favorite character in Smash could have a better moveset than what they have right now.
Compare the most popular Sora mod on Rivals of Aether to Sora in Smash Ulti and yeah, it's night and day.
That's the thing about Smash Bros.
More people are interested in the reveals than actually playing the game.
I think most people were more excited about the possibility of a Chosen Undead rep from Sora's trailer. once people realized it was a fake out and the last DLC character was Sora people pretty quickly lost interest.
Why are Soulsgays so delusional?
Some of the most popular picks for smash ultimate were chosen undead, dragonborn, and doomslayer/doomguy.
>excited about the possibility of a Chosen Undead rep
Fricking delusional
Mate you can't tell me the start to Sora's trailer doesn't set up an uncannily perfect Dark Souls teaser. Sakurai may not have done it on purpose, but he couldn't have done a better fake out if he'd tried.
Ended with Sora, a character that could've had plenty of moveset potential, but was turned into a generic anime swordsman.
Agreed. Sora was such a shitty end he pretty much made Ultimate the worst Smash game for me.
>muh generic anime swordsman
frick you, Sora's very unique you whiny homosexual
>Sora was "shitty"
Nevermind that he's the most requested character and winner of the character ballot, he's "shitty" solely because I'm a vapid homosexual with no taste
>Kingdom Hearts
>taste
Kingdom Hearts lost a lot of prestige after KH3 came out and Sephiroth is similar with how people hate nu-FF
2 picks that aged badly
>lost a lot of prestige after KH3 came out
Yeah, it was 3 that damaged the brand, not the 15 years of spin-offs and a mobile game, all of which are canon and very important to the plot of KH3
What about KH3 damaged the series besides normies complaining that a Disney game about the power of friendship being confusing for them
Sora felt rushed, they gave him a Down B in a game where “EVERYONE IS HERE” and lots of other characters having counters, yeah Sora Counters in his games too but giving him one just makes it feel very redundant, should’ve just given him Reflega which Arsene Joker seems to have with his Down B, Sora’s Down B doesn’t even knock back projectiles which is bizarre.
You do know that Sora literally has a counter in the first KH rights
sora has a ton of moves
It's based off KH1 Sora, who doesn't have the flashy moves from 2 and 3. People keep saying they should have made Strike Raid his neutral B, but they would have complained that Sakurai copied another move again (in this case Pyra's forward B)
id take a copy of pyras mover over the 50th counter
Who on earth wants strike raid instead of being able to cast magic spells. That's the gayest thing I have ever heard. Sora would then ONLY have keyblade moves.
I can guarantee there'd be less complaints about a move similar to another character that isn't the umpteeth counter in the game
the hype died out because nobody actually cares about smash ultimate for the gameplay, only for rostergayging. anyone who cares about playing a smash game is just following melee instead.
Take a shower smellie, your melee scene is also dying.
>don't bother adding the MC as the rep for the game as a base game character
>years later randomly decide to add a side character/partner character as their own character via paid DLC
>did this twice
honestly fricking bizarre, I liked ARMS too and I think they should've shilled it when it was actually new, A.K.A. not make springgay a fricking assist trophy.
Min Min is the ARMS MC, cope SpringBlack person you lost.
There’s already a better SpringMan anyway
I can't say for sure, but I'd imagine the reason ARMS didn't get a rep at launch was that it was still in development at the time Smash was still in the very early planning phases before its canst was finalized.
Three Houses was also in development.
True, but Fire Emblem is an established franchise with history while ARMS was brand new and already has characters in the game, I feel it was either that or maybe they didn't want to risk it with ARMS still being so new
>ARMS still being so new
Doesn’t fricking matter Byleth wasn’t even a year old prior to getting in Smash, Corrin as well, Min Min or whoever could’ve been Base Roster
That's literally what happened.
That's the point I was trying to make to the people b***hing about Min-Min.
ARMS does have the valid excuse of there not really being a main character; cover might position Spring Man in that role, but in-game he's just the easiest option to get you started with. Anyone was fair game.
XC2's case yeah they did forego Rex albeit I'm personally glad because we could use more variety (I bet if it was Edelgard instead of Byleth there'd have been less complaints, fun as Byleth is to play as)
Smashgays were hyper-focused on only 5 or 6 third party characters like Crash, and were dismissive of everyone else making up rules specific to that character just to gatekeep them off of Smash.
I'd argue every DLC fighter with the exception of Banjo had something that went against the Smash Speculation bubble that made Smashgays dismissive of their chances.
This. It was all Crash/Dante/Doomguy/Ryu/Travis/whatever. The funniest shit was seeing people saying the second pass would be cheap and more first party focused after Minmin then the next character was fricking Steve.
To this day I cannot fricking believe people were pulling for crash for like 4 years. Crash games are so fricking shitty.
Crash has one good game
Crash was a meme on the basis that he is a rival like Sonic, which was true for the PS1 days having direct answer to Mario, having an ad that disses Mario and even having an answer to Mario Kart
that being said I myself not to fond of Crash but I get it, still feel he was kinda overrated, although overlooked over the years, mostly found it annoying how many said he was always highly requested since Brawl which is just not true
All shit and not epic except Kazuya
>tfw I wanted Ryu Hayabusa so much I just thought hed be in no matter what
It just made too much sense.
Rugal would've been a boss.
Frick you, all f them are great except Banjo and Steve
Min-Min
>A character that's not even the protagonist of the said game, only got in because she was the director favorite waifu akin to FF Lightning
>Also really fricking obnoxious in gameplay, to the point the japanese smash community despises her
Steve
>Comes from a popular normalgay IP but his moveset isn't friendly to casual normalgays
>Tons of development time was wasted on him since they had to adjust every single stage because of his mechanics
>Wasn't playtested enough since he had broken physics to the point he was considered to be banned
Sephiroth
>Nothing really bad in this case. Issue is that all the "Frick Nintendo" gays instantly went back to praising Nintendo when he was confirmed to be in Smash
Pyra/Mythra
>Dogshit moveset that was cobbled from several different fighters. Their unique gimmick is outright stolen from pre-Ultimate Zelda.
>Absurdly broken at launch while requiring absolutely no skill to play. A literal casual player could easily destroy more seasoned players because they could deal insane amounts of damage in quick bursts while having absurd hitboxes. A literal touch from Pyra means insta-death or losing your shield.
Kazuya
>Didn't make sense considering Tekken isn't even on the Switch. Also Kazuya could easily grab you into a 40% combo as you can literally do nothing about it is absolutely insane when compared to non-DLC characters.
Sora
>Disappointing moveset. He's from a series filled with multiple spells and weapons but yet he barely has anything outside of three spells with only one really being decent. Also when compared to how absurdly broken the other DLC fighters are, it's insulting.
Sora's counter is broken, shit even counters Wonderwing
>Sora's counter is broken
It's not, git gud and stop b***hing.
Min-Min
>A character that's not even the protagonist of the said game
True, but I think Ribbon Girl should've been the rep since she was the deuteragonist after Spring-Man and ATs are a hard disconfirm.
Pyra/Mythra
>Dogshit moveset that was cobbled from several different fighters.
It wasn't, there's only so man ways to swing sword you moron. And her "gimmick" is unique to her because Zelda doesn't even use this anymore and hasn't for a long time.
>Absurdly broken at launch while requiring absolutely no skill to play. A literal casual player could easily destroy more seasoned players because they suck and aren't as good as they think they are
None of the DLC characters are "broken", only whiny b***hes who suck complain about characters being "broken" because they suck ass at the game and are looking for excuses for their own lack of skill. If they're really so good, it shouldn't matter who the other player picks, right?
>>A character that's not even the protagonist of the said game, only got in because she was the director favorite waifu akin to FF Lightning
She won a character popularity contest.
Do you just expect them to give Sora his entire moveset from the series? Also if they had given him Strike Raid you would be b***hing about Sakurai copying Pyra's Forward B special
>give Sora his entire moveset from the series?
bro look at kazuya
>He thinks Kazuya's moveset is anywhere close to the Tekken one in size
my point is he has a crazy amount of moves for smash, sora is the most basic dlc character outside of banjo I guess
>Didn't make sense considering Tekken isn't even on the Switch.
It’s not about if a 3rd party character’s game/series is available on Nintendo’s current console, it’s about their history with Nintendo and impact on gaming overall (and in some cases, extremely high fan demand). Snake was added to Brawl, but there were no MGS games for the Wii. Cloud got added to Smash 4, but FF7-15 weren’t on Nintendo consoles. Banjo got added to Ultimate, but his games weren’t on Nintendo hardware since 2005. The franchises they represent all had games on previous Nintendo consoles and handhelds, whether their latest mainline games are on Switch or not doesn’t change this.
Can't wait for Master Chief and Kratos in Smash 6
Sephiroth has the issue of being another Final Fantasy rep from the same game. If they were going to add another Final Fantasy character which already wasn't necessary to begin with, they should have added someone introduced in a different game.
This was likely the only way we were gonna get something resembling a decent selection of FF7 music, alas
...but yes it should have been Terra
Cloud, Sephiroth and Tifa are the only relevant characters in the franchise.
>B-But what abou-
Literal who.
not true
Black Mage's design is more iconic than Cloud
I have never played FF in my life, yet I know who Cloud, Tifa, Sephiroth, and even Aerith are. I had to google who the frick Black Mage was.
>which already wasn't necessary to begin with
>Didn't make sense considering Tekken isn't even on the Switch.
it was on the wii u though 🙂
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79809487
1. Pyra/Mythra - 2776
3. Joker - 2081
4. Sora - 1857
5. Byleth - 1616
7. Min Min - 1349
8. Hero - 1234
10. Sephiroth - 1095
11. Terry - 917
18. Kazuya - 644
39. Banjo & Kazooie - 461
55. Steve - 302
japs like waifushit and characters from their country, what a revelation
>completely irrelevant years old poll from a shithole website for a shithole country
lol
lmao
Every time I see this shit I wonder if there’s a Japanese Anon among us who surprisingly knows Engrish
sus
I think we’ve reached the peak of Ultimate Modding
https://twitter.com/hanxulzmods/status/1689386415543537664?s=46&t=rBujjkhy0fXENRmc2I1AJg
Not until they can add custom characters that won't replace anyone on the roster
We were robbed for 2 Hentai bawds who stole the Zelda/Sheik Switching Mechanic
Would she be censored if they used her old designs?
Steve and Sephiroth are too low, but other than that it lines up with how frequently I see these characters online.
Pyra/Mythra are okay
Hot take: Min Min is only hated due to coming after Byleth, maybe not but I think that’s where some of the hate comes from
What other people said about Sora. I'm a huge KHgay, but his moveset in Smash was a huge letdown.
>no strike raid
>no ars arcanum
>no explosion
>no magnet burst
>magic system ripped off from Smash Flash 2
>up special copied from Link's
>ANOTHER FRICKING COUNTER, which I'm convinced Sakurai put in just to spite me, personally
>Final smash isn't trinity limit
I know they were kind of limited with what they could put in because of Disney, but they really could have done better than this. Is Sakurai losing his touch?
>Is Sakurai losing his touch?
We are talking about the same guy that copied Captain Falcon's moveset to Ganondorf.
It was done last minute you moron
>Is Sakurai losing his touch?
He hasn't had it since he put tripping in Brawl.
Sakurai has gotten away with so much bullshit game design for years purely because he put [your favorite character] in Smash.
Here's the real truth: HAL labs and Iwata's influence are what made Smash quality. Sakurai is just an ideas guy who is obsessed with curating an experience that is impossible to obtain and jerking off his buddies. The fact that he lefts his wife make terrible UI and paste it in the game should tell you enough right there.
Because of Byleth ending off the first pass, and the biggest characters for the 2nd being rather boring choices, like Sephiroth instead of literally any other FF character, or Kazuya and Sora.
Like it's cool they are there, but they lack... Oomph? Same goes for the XB2 bawds and Min Min.
It's crazy that the wildest feeling pick for the 2nd pass was fricking Steve.
I agree wholeheartedly with the second season lacking oomph, but come on, to claim Sephiroth and Sora were lukewarm? If anything they got the most hype in the package.
Sephiroth is what all the normalgays wanted, the b***hing would have been through the roof if it was Cecil, Terra, Tidus or any other FF protagonist or villain (aside from maybe Kefka). I'm just glad it wasn't Lightning.
I'm not even a huge Smash/Nintendo guy but it feels like the series lost something when it pivoted to third-party shit. It just feels like a senseless mish-mash of characters now, when before there was a unique kind of novelty of Nintendo characters from wildly different franchises being in the same game. Just feels like they could throw whatever in and see what sticks, just to make a certain subsection of the internet clap because their favorite character is finally in the spotlight. I firmly believe a reboot of the series that gets rid of most, if not all of the third-party characters would be to the series' benefit at this point.
Don't forget all the 3rd partygays coming in and telling Nintendo fans their characters aren't important when the series is still a Nintendo crossover first and foremost. The hypehomosexualry killed Smash discussion and speculation and like you said, most 3rd party suggestions, never mind the actual picks - are just to make people hype without any actual substance. Porting Ultimate isn't gonna happen if those licenses are anything to go by and despite the success of Ultimate, it doesn't mean the price of licensing these characters goes down, especially if you have to add more of them.
A reboot is needed, and a better balance of roster picks and overall choices for Smash gameplay-wise is needed. Sakurai needs to do behind the scenes work and let some new blood do the rest of the work. The man has aged considerably since Brawl, and deep down he doesn't want to admit that he's becoming the same thing he had to answer to back when he was in HAL.
>Nintendo crossover first and foremost.
Melee was the last game to actually be this. It's been more than about Nintendo for years.
Smash is always primarily Nintendo all-stars despite the tone shift, Soul Cal has cross overs from the outside verse all the time to but no one says SoulCal should have more Star Wars, AssCreed or Nier characters
as for MK, it is similar situation, he had movie guests since MK9 with Freddie Kruger, then a bit more in 10, to fans getting annoyed by it in 11 pushing the limit, although like Smash there is a camp that is in full support of guest characters in MK
agreed, even classical(Brawl and Smash 4)rostergayging had more soul with a sense of cohesion, now the "hall of fame" shit ruined the tone
No Reimu.
>Min Min
>Bad
Get taste.
dude her armpit looks like a pussy in that pic (disgusting artstyle even without it), don't tell others to get taste
>her armpit looks like a pussy
That's entirely the point, sweet summer child.
Is this the guy that made that reverse trap manga
japs can't draw pussies without having to censor them so they draw them as armpits instead
I fricking hate these stupid pitgay pictures that don't look anything like an actual armpit. theres not a fricking hole there like a c**t you dumb fricking moron
Out of all Nintendo DLC I rank them like this
Min Min > Piranha Plant > Pythra >>>>>>>> b***hleth
God I love Min Min
Min Min Handjobs
>best sexiest thighs and legs in the game
>BUT LE PIT THOUGH
You brain damaged dumb fricks are just as bad as the feet Black folk I swear, what is that moronic art, kys
Literally all of the picks except Banjo and Terry were purely shilling for recently released or upcoming games. Out of those shill picks only Steve was out of left field because we thought Banjo was Microsoft's only pick.
Hero comes with classic alts at least
>Hero
>Sephiroth
>Kazuya
>shill picks
>Hero
new DQ came out in like an year
>Sephiroth
FF7 remake shilling
>Kazuya
Tekken 8
>Kazuya
>Tekken 8
Are you fricking joking? How the frick do you shill for a games that hadn't even been revealed yet? No, this is completely wrong and moronic.
>If characters aren't from dead, irrelevant series, they're shillpicks
moron
Min Min is boring to use and fight
Steve boring and OP
Sephiroth is cool
Pythra is OP
Kazuya is cool
Sora is a lame as frick character and boring to play/fight
Goemon is hella fun in Remix and I’m very glad we got the full playable Team Starfox, it feels complete just like how 3 Awakening characters may feel to others
>Wonder Red
Based as frick
also I'd take Joana Dark and Leon instead for the others, Goemon is alright
>Min Min is boring to use and fight
Incorrect on both counts, she's extremely fun and her lasers are great too you unappreciative homosexual
>Steve boring and OP
Only moronic tourneygays believe Steve is "OP" when he's clearly not
>Sephiroth is cool
only point I agree with
>Pythra is OP
"Pythra"? moronic name, just b***h about Mythra like every unskilled homosexual does
>Kazuya is cool
he's fine i guess
>Sora is a lame as frick character and boring to play/fight
also wrong on both points, Sora's a lot of fun and his recovery is insane
>pythra is OP
there are morons who still think this?
>Lame character from stupid tech demo launch game
>Meme block template character that is instantly skinned out by everyone
>Grim shadow death dark mommy issue character who is a walking Linkin Park AMV
>Boring hentai characters
>Fighting game character in not a real fighting game
>Generic JRPG protagonist loved by 500 lb anime high school club fangirls
Would be nice if someone told Sakurai that there exists more to gaming than JRPGs, fighting games and Minecraft, but that's how it goes when a series this important is directed by an idiotic hack.
>Grim shadow death dark mommy issue character who is a walking Linkin Park AMV
Holy shit, kek
>Grim shadow death dark mommy issue character who is a walking Linkin Park AMV
Took me a while to realize who you were talking about.
>Would be nice if someone told Sakurai that there exists more to gaming than JRPGs, fighting games and Minecraft, but that's how it goes when a series this important is directed by an idiotic hack.
It's funny because watching over his youtube videos, the guy actually gets around and plays a shitload of different video games and genres. Indies especially. I didn't think a 53-year-old Japanese businessman who works crunch would have time to play so many minor titles on top of the big releases, but the dude keeps up with everything.
This the shittest take I've seen yet here, good god you're a moron
>bunch of 3rd party shit
>overpowered characters that broke the game - Steve, Pyra, and Kazuya all came from DLC Pack 2
>Nintendo released this, and then immediately stopped doing balance updates, leaving the broken mess they just made permanent
>immediately stopped doing balance updates, leaving the broken mess they just made permanent
They *really* need to stop doing this. Just continue balance support for 1 year after the final DLC, please!
>they should ruin characters because a handful of "pro" players b***hed at them, so others should have their characters neutered because the "pros" suck
>overpowered characters that broke the game
no they didn't, people just b***h in unison until this moronic idea of them being "broken" became the "consensus" around them when it's really just a handful of unskilled whiny homosexuals at best.
>Min Min
>Pyra+Mythra
>Sora
All wastes.
>Min Min
likely would've had a rep sooner had development had gone differently, plus Min Min is really popular and ARMS sold really well you homosexual
>Pyra+Mythra
Rex was considered, so this was the next best option, and are you really arguing against more waifus? God you're homosexual and a moron.
>Sora
One of the most highly requested characters according to Nintendo themselves and fans alike, just because you don't like him for whatever moronic reason doesn't make his addition any less impactful or hype you boring dumbfrick.
>All wastes.
Maybe to homosexuals like you with no taste nor appreciation for gaming history.
>likely would've had a rep sooner
don't care
>Rex was considered
don't care
>One of the most highly requested characters
don't care
Kazuya and Sora were wasted slots
No Crash Bandicoot. That's the big mistake.
It would've been great if it wasn't for the xenoblade characters
>It would've been great if it wasn't for Sora
fix'd
it was better than wathever the frick the community was asking for
Sora was the most voted, but had they done a “Who do you NOT want” poll, Sora would also got 1st place.
He won.
The reason Sora is so bad is because he doesn't have Donald and Goofy.
>Entire point of Hollow Bastion in KH1 was Friendship > Royal Duty
>Everytime someone speaks the group they always say "Sora, Donald, Goofy"
>Donald and Goofy being in Sora's heart
There's much mire but having no mention of Donald or Goofy with Sora was a fricking mistake. Not to mention KH is Disney with Final Fantasy so having no Disney with Sora was a terrible idea. I'd rather someone else have ended the past.
Nah, whenever Sora fights Sephiroth it's a 1v1 so he shouldn't have Donald or Goofy. The real problem is it's a level 1 run, but without the stupidity of Sora being able to abuse Stop/Gravity or be kh2 Sora instead.
He doesn't have to have them in his moveset but not in his taunts? Or having his FS be trinity limit? Honestly they dropped the ball with Sora. It's not just Donald and Goofy. But when Donald abd Goofy who are in every game and are part of the main trio aren't even a spirit... it's just what were they thinking?
>Why didn't they put Donald and Goofy in the game which would likely have cost as much as it did to develop both fighter passes
>can't kick Peach's ass to Friend Like Me
What would you have rather had?
Hard mode: the characters you replace in the pass must have something related to whoever you're replacing them with, be it genre, developer, etc. Needs at least two Nintendo characters.
Remove Min Min and Steve, added Pyra and Mythra to the base roster instead of DLC, change Kazuya for Jin Kazama and add someone else, like Dante or Chun-Li. Then, it would be decent.
People would still complain because reee fighting game character! This is just like Ryu! or reee anime swordsman! This is just like Marth!
>Remove Min-Min
>Keep the hentai bimbos
Frick off.
anon are you a homosexual?
>xc2oomer detected
t. 3gay
blows my mind Chun-Li wasn't in Smash
she's the face of female characters in gaming, before it was even revealed Samus was a woman
that and all the FE/JRPG additions to the roster made me realize Sakurai is as done as Kojima
>Sora most voted for ballot, Banjo and Kazooie a strong runner up
>both have simple movesets that are both weak competitively feel off to most comp AND casual players compared to characters Sakurai picks/chooses to work with like Terry, Joker and Sephiroth
If he drags himself into another one somehow I'm not even gonna bother asking for shit if it turns out as fluid as Terry and Pyra/Mythra or as comically enjoyable as Hero and Byleth.
Wait, why didn't you guys want Soea in Smash? Ganker loves Kingdom Hearts.
this may surprise you but Ganker is not one person
>Ganker is not one person
Can you prove this?
Yes. I wouldn't call myself a homosexual, homosexual.
This just proves Ganker is a singular schizo making all posts
Pre DLC Ultimate was better than post DLC ultimate.
I miss it so much, when so many characters were in realm of possibility
Waluigi is the most broken candidate, he is clearly a top 10 most popular pick but he never even has the chance to show up on polls since he is always deconfirmed early
not to mention Sakurai would have snarky remark against him for whatever reason, like "just because you try hard doesn't meam you can be in smash" like wtf is that supposed to mean lol
Replace Pyra and Mythra with May and Dawn
No
I always lose to other soras because they are faster and can do actual combos. I'm just not good at smash. I'm in elite with him though. I find myself playing this crap a lot and I get bored after about 5 or so matches. I'm just happy he's in but he's missing some soul
Because they stopped making balance patches shortly after.
>Min-Min
a solid pick, ARMS is a good game and a memorable Switch title with Min-Min being the most interesting to use
>Steve
>Sephiroth
>Sora
>Kazuya
guest characters, but Steve and Kazuya are cool, frankly I would've like Yoshimitsu over Kaz in order to do double repping with SoulCal but Kaz is fine, really annoyed how theres 2 Nomura characters that are moreso Playstation guys than anything but whatever
>Pyra
don't care for Xenoblade but a solid pick for the same reason as Min-Min, I can see her making the next one
I really think it was criminal for them to add Joker over someone like Jack Frost, who could have represented both Persona and SMT as a whole. There were some good picks, and some popular picks, but it doesn't feel quite as solid as FP1. Steve also completely doesn't match the aesthetic of the game, and looks out of place and shitty. But people like him and act like it isn't a problem.
>add Cloud
>make his inclusion solely about his game, almost every other FF
>barely even any content pertaining to it because SE sucks
>put Joker in
>make it almost exclusively about P5
>add a bit of stuff for P3 and P4, but absolutely nothing for the greater SMT franchise
>add Sephiroth
>finally add some more stuff from FF7, but still just FF7, no other games
Th-thanks, Sakurai-san...
>a literal advertisement for a PS4 exclusive (at the time)
Joker is not even the most popular Persona protagonist.
Joker is a more popular character than the bimbo duo.
Honestly, who else could they add for first party Nintendo characters? They pretty much have all the Nintendo characters people want aside from maybe Dixie Kong or another Zelda rep like Impa. If they add obscure shit normies like Arlo will b***h about not knowing them (see Terry)
they could add fricking anyone like they added Piranha Plant, I for one would it it interestering if they expanded on every series in Smash adding 1 or 2 newcomers
even for for Yoshi, whether is a Birdo(although not originated in Yoshi, commonly associated) echo, Poochy or Kamek, I particularly would like Baby Mario & Luigi that function like a superstar saga duo
>Honestly, who else could they add for first party Nintendo characters?
Oh I dunno! Maybe Bandana Dee, Adeline, Marx (Basically any Kirby character tbh), Dillon, Chibi-Robo, Labo-Man, Fossil Fighters rep, BoxBoy, Rhythm Heaven, Advance Wars, Starfy, Famicom Detective Club rep, Impa, Poochy, Nester from the old Nintendo Power Magazine, anything from currently existing franchises like Zelda Mario F-Zero Non-Swordshit Fire Emblem, more goofy one-offs like Game and Watch, ROB and Ice Climbers.
SKYS THE FRICKING LIMIT YET EVERYONE JUST WANTS SHIT THAT ISN'T EVEN ON A NINTENDO CONSOLE LIKE 2B OR MASTER CHEIF
GIVE ME JUST DANCE GIRL
the hall of fame notion should've died a while ago since they added Wii Fit Trainer and made it work
Both versions of Wii Fit sold over 40 million copies and people probably recognize the Wii Fit Trainer over half of the shit in the post you replied to
>Adeline and Marx
Literally only had a major role in one game each
>Dilon
>Chibi-Robo
>Labo-Man
>Fossil Fighters
>BoxyBoy
>Advance Wars
>Starfy
>Famiciom Detective Club
None of these franchises are even active anymore or ever reached the same level of popularity like the other stuff in Smash (No, I don't count the Advance Wars remake since people stopped talking about it shortly after it finally came out and probably isn't even going to be released in Japan). Normies would just b***h about there not being another Zelda rep
>Rhythm Heaven
There was going to be a fighter from it in 4 if the leaks and random enemy in Smash Run were anything to go by, but they likely couldn't figure out how a fighter from a series all about rhythm would work.
>Nester
No one in Japan knows who the frick he is.
>F-Zero
There hasn't been a new game in almost twenty years. Why would they waste resources on a character from it
The only characters that I could see being realistic choices are Bandana Dee, Impa or Dixie Kong
Who gives a frick about normies? You being one doesn't mean the roster has to suffer for it. Frick off.
Dude, I would fricking love having more obscure shit in Smash, but it's not gonna happen unless they're an assist trophy. They aren't going to waste the development budget on characters people probably won't recognize
>probably won't recognize
theres plenty of literal whos in the roster, like Terry and Lucas is all subjective, they made Piranha Plant work they could make anyone work, they can add the Mad Piano from Mario 64 for all I care which was done in a 64 mod
Terry is from a franchise that's still continuing, while Lucas game was highly anticipated for years in Japan and was recently released. And everyone knows the Piranha Plant. It's different from shit like Captain Syrup, who's from a dead Mario sub-franchise that hasn't had a new game in 15 years
AW had a game this year and outsells King of Fighters so you can't really say Terry is a bigger star than Andy
nothing against Terry, he is a soulful guest character on the basis that Smash took inspiration from Fatal Fury although like 4 people played it
That's their fault for not playing video games and not knowing anything outside Mario and Pikachu. Sakurai has that same mindset, not realizing people, the core people who are buying Smash - would love seeing more obscure faces as playable characters. 3rd parties fricked up not only the Nintendo side of things, but the fan side of things as well to where you get idiots like
spewing the same garbage over and over again about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Melee did that when they decided not to add Diddy Kong, Dedede and Wario.
>Literally only had a major role in one game each
That's not an excuse and you know it.
I respect Ado support with how much there is Geno support so why not
Plenty to add.
>Captain Syrup
>King Hippo
>Stafy
>Paula
>Balloon Fighter
>Isaac
>Style Savvy Girl
>Dixie Kong
>Lord Fredrik
>Waluigi
>Toad
>Skull Kid
>Tetra
Or
. There's a lot to pull from and you can look at any series represented and pull at least three more reps from it with no problem, never mind characters who are assists or spirits. They got a lot to pull from, but too many homosexual 3rd parties are dictating to Nintendo fans what a Nintendo crossover should add.
>If they add obscure shit normies like Arlo will b***h about not knowing them (see Terry)
Frick them, they're the reason why we can't get guys like Takamaru, Lip and Isa.
The hype was already dead and long gone.
Covid and Byleth both did Ultimate in.
The only good additions to the list are Sephiroth and Sora. Everyone else warps the game and not in a good way
most if not all of those characters were ass to play against
Honestly smash is at the point where pretty everyone you could ever want is in the game, so we’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel here
Because the character (You) wanted didn't get in
All weebshit except fricking Minecraft
Kazuya not even popular among Tekkengays
Xenoblade coomers get censored designs
6/6 gimmicks
Here's the next Smash fighter. What do you all think?
And of course none of you even know who the frick this character is when you all are b***hing that Sakurai needs to add more obscure characters.
I mean, isn't that the point?
Nothing wrong with Pooka, but Dig Dug is needed first.
>Pooka
Wrong
Either way, we still need Pooka and the Ghost Gang over shit like Joker and Sora. Ninja-kun is fine as well.
That isn't Pooka anon. It's Ninja-kun/JaJaMaru-kun
Sakurai killed smash by using it to shill his personal favorites rather than caring about the players
theres no denying that Smash is Sakurai playing with his action figures but plenty in Ultimate was added by fan demand, Ninty doesn't give a frick about K Rool and Ridley in particular and wouldn't be there if not for fan demand, also they decided to bring back every vet because they are usually highly demanded after cut no matter who it is
Nobody would give a shit about the DLC characters if the rest of the cast was buffed to deal with their bullshit but the devs fumbled the balancing.
Nobody wants to fight Kazuya, a character who has 19 moves with invincibility. He has the strongest reflector in the game despite having a playstyle that can only be beaten by camping him. Did I mention the frame 8 command grab that can kill you at zero, and kills your opponent first if you use it off stage?
Nobody wants to fight Aegis. Imagine if Sonic had a sword and could actually kill. That's Mythra. Between her FighterZ Bardock tier combo tree, her recovery, and foresight, she's so baffling overtuned that Pyra has next to no use other than being le epic down air woman.
They didn't think the block mechanic through enough with Steve. He can edge guard for free by placing literally one block near the ledge and it invalidates the majority of recoveries. Characters go into stun merely by bumping into his blocks. Steve should have warranted an emergency balancing patch, but Nintendo gave up on Ultimate too quickly. Even Smash 4 had more post DLC patches than Ultimate did.
Why was Fighter Pass 2 so bad? Nintendo can't into balance. They took your money and ran, not one penny went into fixing the universally fricked up multihits, the garbage online, the input delay, the broken auto short hop, the phantom footstooling, the phantom hits, the hurtboxes not matching characters' models, the sluggish movement, the sea of broken recoveries, or certain projectiles putting opponents into 11 (ELEVEN) frames of shield stun.
Sora, rest was fine but the fricker brought down the pass so fricking much. Glad I bought the fighters separately.
Why do people hate Sora so much? I've only played KH1 and don't see what the fuss is about. He's barely high tier, I would rather fight a thousand Soras than even one Kazuya.
Because people were expecting him to have his entire damn moveset from all the series like his drive forms and shit
If you didn't give a shit about Kingdom Hearts, it was very insulting of Sakurai to treat Sora like this epic, overdue finale that perfects Ultimate.
If you don't give a shit about Kingdom Hearts, you are irrelevant and your taste is shit. Nobody cares about your worthless nobody opinion.
Um Sora what the frick Nobodies are people too...
Real talk but Sora all of a sudden thinking Roxas deserves to be his own person in 3D came out of nowhere imo
Lots of people gave a shit since he was the most requested character in the fighter's poll
Now I kind of want to see a newcomer trailer where the whole roster reacts to them with either hatred or flat-out indifference instead of onions-facing. As a proud Rayman gay, even I would get a kick out of seeing no one know who he is, acting more surprised to see the Rabbid that is a part of his moveset rather than him.
If this was early on Smash For he really didn't lie, other than Sonic returning the only guest in the base game was Pac Man.
He wasn't in.
There were better options...
>Saki
>Hades
>Marco
>Takamaru
Finally, a rostergay with taste. We were sorely missing a good retro rep in Ultimate. Still butthurt that Mach Rider never got in
pretty based
Based and interesting picks, but Wobbuffet would be literally impossible, its whole gimmick is that it only ever counterattacks, it learns zero standard attacking moves, only stuff like Counter and status moves.
I didn't really think about it much for Wobbuffet, I just remember liking Wobbuffet as gag in the cartoon awhile back, having a moveset would be unfaithful to what makes him Wobbuffet, maybe he can not be a typical fighter and works like Pac-Man's fire hydrant but he can counter and reflect, kinda like how he was as Pokeball in Melee
I just think another Pokemon trainer would be based and Team Rocket was my favorite idea with others being
>Cynthia with Garchomp, Togekiss and Lucario
>Hoenn trainer with Mudkip, Grovyle and Blaziken
>Hisui trainer with Cyndaquil, Dewott and Decidue
>Blue/Gary Oak/Pokemon Champion with Arcanine, Alakazam and Tyranitae
Pretty solid list except replace Lyn with Hector. Lyn is beyond overhyped for a character who is barely the main character when the majority focuses on Eliwood and Hector's journey and hardships.
understood, I'm no FE fan but is the impression I get for who is a character that has lasting appeal, I also thought Micaiah but it seem like she dwindled
>Character gets in
>okay
>try character
>they feel like shit
many such cases
the only one of these I enjoy playing is sephiroth
Based
>Min-Min
>Kazuya(although I think there are better tekken options)
meh
>Steve
>Pyra
Cringe
>Sephiroth
>Sora
Minceraft and the Xeno bawds
Wait, people still give a shit if a character is owned by Nintendo or from a game not on a Nintendo console?
3rd parties are tired now that they added nearly 10 straight for DLC, but I guess it makes more sense to have them as DLC given that they are guest characters
>People still give a shit about a Nintendo crossover prioritizing Nintendo characters?
before anyone say is a "tendy" thing, the shit happens to Mortal Kombat as well with the recent tone shift of most DLC characters not being MK guys but guest characters from movies and such
That's not really the same thing. MK is an original series in the first place with its own characters and its own lore. Smash has been just one big crossover from entry one so there's nothing that makes a character an inherently better choice just for being first party.
This is particularly dumb when most of the 3rd party additions have close connections with Nintendo. Hell, Banjo & Kazooie are pretty much a first party inclusion repping what were at the time two successful Nintendo games in the N64.
>most of the 3rd party additions have close connections with Nintendo
Ah yes, Joker, Terry, Steve, Sephiroth, and Kazuya all have such deep connections with nintendo, they definitely didn't spend half the DLC on characters from games that are barely on Nintendo systems.
>">most of the 3rd party additions have close connections with Nintendo"
>It can't be most of the 3rd parties when less than half of them are exceptions!
Anon did you read before posting or you just wanted to be contrarian for the sake of it
Also you can't even do it right, Steve is in more Nintendo consoles than it is Xbox's, Minecraft everything has released in every Nintendo shape it can and there's even a Nintendo-exclusive Mario pack for the game
still doesn't really give Steve a deep connection to Ninty, plenty of games had nintendo cameos but thats beside the point
When you think of Simon, you think of Castlevania which were premier games of NES and SNES, Simon being a character in Captain N as that for meme shit, same with Megaman
with Sonic you think of Sega Genesis which had a memorable feud with Ninty and now Sonic frequents with Mario
Banjo was literally born a Nintendo guy and when you think of Banjo Kazooie,you think of the N64, this makes them Honorary Nintendo having a meaningful deep connection
>>It can't be most of the 3rd parties when less than half of them are exceptions!
anon there are 8 3rd party DLC characters, even without steve you've admitted 4 of them lack a strong connection to nintendo. So even you admit HALF of them don't, and list i checked "Most" isn't a correct term when you don't actually have more than the other side. Not to mention Minecraft's history with nintendo is only as deep as it is with literally any other console manufacturer, even fricking Samsung. You wouldn't say someone has a "deep bond" with a hooker they hired for a night would you? because that's what minecraft is, a prostitute that's on every system under the sun.
I fully agree with your view on the characters you mention and how Steve's connection isn't deep compared to them, thing is, notice I never said deep, I said close and by all means Minecraft is close to Nintendo, that's facts, Nintendo's done an official collaboration with it (a rarity with a 3rd party title), every console release has been on Nintendo systems, it's one of the best selling 3rd parties in the platform too, yeah, close is right.
I was speaking of 3rd parties in general, nowhere in my post did I talk about the DLC ones only. For your bit in Minecraft refer to the above. Hell, thinking further Terry shouldn't be considered a stranger either, he appeared several times over the years in SNES/GB/GBA games and then the Wii VC and the ACA NEO GEO series on Switch (which did well enough Nintendo themselves associated with Hamster for releases of their own arcade titles).
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yeah I don't mind Steve, just ultimately comes off as a guest but a great one like Snake, I do find the likes of Joker and the FFVIIs to be obnoxious
oddly enough Snake is one of the guest that fits better with the main cast being that Metal Gear Solid has a lot of slap stick moments like how Snake hides in a box like a cat for stealth
That's perfectly valid, I guess a positive from Cloud and Joker is that at least it served as a bridge for their games to finally come to Nintendo systems, but yeah at the time they were as much of an outsider as you could get within 3rd parties that still had some Nintendo appearances
Yep, he's easy to consider a bonus, Simon's there carrying a hella strong Nintendo connection so Richter feels like a cherry on the cake
Fatal Fury was on the VC? Never knew that
The OG Fatal Fury, 2, Special, Real Bout 1 & 2 and 3 all made it to the Wii VC (in retrospect, the Wii VC bothering to add NEO GEO as a major platform in the first place does further strengthen SNK's connections with Nintendo)
all of them have been on a nintendo console
Captain Price been on a nintendo console, still not a deep connection
I think you guys need to stop taking a children's party game so seriously.
I'm a Xenoblade fan, I was very happy for Pyra and Mythra's inclusion. They're fun to play as, have an interesting gimmick that's actually viable and worth using unlike Zelda which used to be "turn to Shiek then never touch down B for the rest of the match", good music selection and an amazing stage that was pretty much 1:1 what I had in mind for a Xenoblade 2 stage back when I thought Rex would make the base roster.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I, at least, am satisfied.
Joker, Hero, Terry, Byleth, Sephiroth, Aegis, Kazuya and Sora all look like they come from the same franchise.
Pyra and Mythra destroyed the hype train. Who the frick put Sephiroth as #3? Up to Sephiroth it was a pretty perfect buildup, the final three had so much potential. In hindsight, they should've done (not) Pyra Myrtha -> Min Min -> Kazuya -> Sora ->Minecraft -> Sephiroth. Actually frick it you could've done those final four in any order.
I would put Sephiroth before Kazuya but I see your point
also yeah the timing was also terrible for Pyra all around
>the next dlc after the jrpg guy is...
>another jrpg guy
not to mention she debuted in a infamous direct that left a bad taste in many's mouth being filled with random jrpg shit with Pyra feeling like an embodiment of it
Kazuya would've been a wet fart of a finale, no one was hyped he's in, no one hated him sure, but there's an air of "ah, sure, Tekken needed a rep, cool" that'd have turned into disappointment had he closed the game. Sephiroth was cool as frick and really injected the Pass with some much needed excitement again, but as the final one I think there'd have been complaints about ending Ultimate with a second guest from a franchise already in the game. I think it was between Steve and Sora, and considering no one trusted Disney would ever play game (Microsoft had already done so via Banjo), I think they finished on the right choice.
Irrelevant characters like Terry and Kazuya wasting slots over more deserving characters. It's that simple.
>Kazuya
>Terry
>"irrelevant"
You clearly have no fricking clue what you're talking about, "Irrelevant"? Fricking moron with no knowledge of anything.
Kazuya isn’t, but who gives a shit about KOF? It’s not on the level of the rest of the 3rd parties. It’s by far the least popular. No one cares that it was relevant 30 years ago. Tekken absolutely mogs KOF in terms of notability.
It's less that it's bad and more that it was the end and they went completely hands off. No more balance patches, no more possible content, no more online.
I thought Sephiroth and a Xenoblade character were obvious. Literally most of FF music and spirits weren’t in the game and 80% of Xenoblade 2’s music wasn’t in the game as well.
ENTER
No Goku.
How do you want the next game's character lineup to look like? Here's mine.
Hard mode: Don't just say "I'd reboot it" or "Ultimate Deluxe"
You missed picrel
Is there a reason you removed Sora
>Keep Dark Samus
>Remove Dark Pit
>New IP???
>Octoling as an echo
>ANOTHER FE lord
I think your roster SUCKS
>>New IP???
Does he look like Nostradamus to you? How is he supposed to know years in advance what games the Switch successor is going to have year 1?
who the frick would take Dark Pit over Dark Samus?
What sense does it make not to include both? What makes Dark Pit an unrealistic character for the next Smash game when he's significantly easier to add to Smash than Dark Samus because of all the unique animations.
At least Dark Pit has differences in his kit compared to Pit, Dark Samus doesn't
I replaced dark pit with medusa since I wanted some of palutena's customs to come back as Echo Fighter so I will be humble and say that's entirely on me
I would want a Medusa echo too but sakurai autism wouldn't allow it. She's a lefty so her model wouldnt fit Palutena's animations
if I had to impose some new hypothetical rules to make the idea of a refreshed roster more fun
>Pokemon and Fire Emblem have a rotating roster, meaning it would give a chance for more new pokemons like how every gen has a bunch of new ones but Pikachy stays because his Pikachu
>so it would look like Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer based on a new region(like Hisui with Cyndiquil, Dewott andn Decidueu), an Uber like Salamance or Garchomp, a legendary, a popular cutesy mon like Evee, a popular cool mon like Gengar, doesn't have to be the newgen for everyone
>I'm guessing Fire Emblem has a similar situation but idk
>third parties are strictly DLC unless they are honorary ninty like Sonic and Megaman
>for fun state who is directing the game to envision the roster to how they would do it, like Kamiya would add more of his own babies like Bayonetta whos already in so like Amateratsu and Wonder Red and such
>use a new engine so smash staples aren't as safe
also if every major series had a newcomer I think that would be interesting like we see here
I think Daisy should get some decloning to semi status along with Dark Samus.
I do like Waluigi next to Wario since although not really of Wario origin, frequently associated with Wario.
Dixie Kong I feel could be another semiclone like Isabelle, using her hair, bubblegum, and maybe even her guitar.
Impa I warmed up to and yeah I don't mind her replacing Sheik since she is an actual Sheikah plus she offers new things to take from the BoTW trilogy
including the Naruto shit she does in Age of Calimity but I prefer the amazonian SS/HW look you have with her Nagitana.
Medusa yeah, shes solid Echo materal since she uses a staff like palutena and can just have gorgon characteristic to palutena's kit .
Robin I feel can just be soft replaced by Isaac who's in the roster, Lucina seems like enough for awakening since shes more of the star of it.
for a Xenoblade guy. I would prefer Elma being a gunslinger that dualwields but I understand shes not as relevant, on a sidenote I feel Baten Kaitos is worth mentioning when speaking of monolith guys.
I do love Hisuian Trainer coming in rotation from Pokemon Trainer since it keeps the concept of having the main premise of Pokemon represented while adding 3 new mons .
Officer Howard I can see being an interesting blend of Rosalina's Luma puppet and Joker's Arsene Mechanic that would feel fresh.
Ihaven't really warmed up to Diskun as retro guy, I mean I always like them anyways but I feel that there are better choices but I wouldn't mind anyways.
Ring Fit Trainee, yeah she is a solid WFT replacement all day.
Octoling maybe a semi, since theres plenty more Splatoon tools left to be used but I don't really care.
most 3rd Parties feel like guest characters so I don't see most coming back and frankly would rather not to
that being said Hero a minor gripe is that I rather haver Erdick be the main face of Hero over Luminary
I love Bomberman, and Ryu Hayabusa is underrated, he is like on the level of Simon Belmont,
JUST FRICKING ADD HIM SAKURAI YOU homosexual
No, Goku has plenty of his own games, we don't need him shitting up Smash Bros.
hey guys what's going on in this thread
Defeat......
It was over before it began, Porkybros...
I ain't even mad, us we Bandanabros got some good copium with his Rivals of Aether workshop kit is awesome
other Kirby characters are also well made in RoE like Magolor, Gooey and Dark Matter, I wish I can say the same for Adeleine but I digress.
I wish his PMEX kit was better, is pretty much the same as Smash Flash 2 but some animations come off kinda stiff looking, not as great as the Knuckles and Shadow mods which look official in quality
BRING ME SEPHIROTH
as someone who doesn't care for square I did like that meme idea of Slime Riding a Chocobo to merge DQ and FF into 1
That sounds like ass, I'm all for Slime since he actually has a lot of moveset potential but mixing him with a Chocobo is a horrible idea, specially if that's the only representation DQ and FF get
I used to be a big slime for smash gay but I can compromise with Slime being involved in Hero's kit like Toad to Peach
>Min Min
Arms is shit and abandoned
>Steve and Alex
Not a Minecraft fan but this was hype
>Sephiroth
Cool but was Cloud not enough?
>Pyra & Mythra
Nice
>Kazuya
Awesome
>Sora
KH sucks
>KH sucks
>b-but XC2 is nice
Lmao, have sex
How many games until the Smash roster gets almost as moronic as this?
Because the last four (five if you want to count Pyra & Mythra as two) characters were boring.
Predict how bad it will be.
their DLC for the first nick game wasn't that bad, memeshit like Jimmy's dad over Jimmy aside
FP2 is way better than FP1
>Joker doesn’t represent how he plays in his own game in the slightest.
>Hero is the best part of the pass, unfortunately his music selection sucks
>long awaited Banjo plays like total ass
>Terry is a literally who that reuses Ryu’s gimmick
>not even 3 houses fans wanted Byleth
>Banjo plays like ass
Everyone expected him to be a mid heavyweight it was about the rareware repersenation not gameplay
FE wouldn't be so bad if they went with lords that a proven to be popular over time like Lyn rather than use the most recent guy no one knows yet to shill the latest FE
I think every character belongs in smash besides Sora. What a fricking baffling choice. I purposefully bought the 2nd wave dlc individually just so he wouldnt be in my roster
this guy doesn't even know about tekken on the 3ds and wii u
still not really a deep connection, no one thinks of Ninty when thinking of Tekken, he is about on the level of Snake when it comes to Ninty connection
Snake has a way bigger nintendo connection than Tekkenman Blade. Snake at least can claim his debut game as being on the NES, even if he didn't become famous until way later.
Why do people never complain about Richter when he has almost no Nintendo ties either? Is it because he's an echo?
Pretty much. He's not a real character.
yes, pretty much, he's pretty much a glorified costume with his own voice clips, he might as well be like Alph or the other Koopalings
>Why do people never complain about Richter when he has almost no Nintendo ties either?
Because Richter is the most popular Belmont in the series despite IGA trying to ruin him as shown with SotN.
>Is it because he's an echo?
yes
I wish more fan rosters would use the NES design for Ryu, being thats the game with the deeper connection
I do understand that it does just look generic compared to Xbox NG with the Dragon Hood but still
you don't think it'd be too similar to sheik? they've both got that blue ninja vibe
you've made me realize they shitton of shipping art those two would get
No, you're right about the design. It only shows people don't know shit about the NES design and only care about his modern design or, they simply want a 3rd party to shill and leaned on him just because.
I believe that in Smash they can make his classic design come out god-tier like Simon and Ken
Without question. Keep in mind Hayabusa only got traction because of his name was thrown around in false leaks and all it took was for people to look him up and immediately they latched onto him, because cool ninja, mirite? Not denying there aren't Ninja Gaiden fans who would love to see him, but bandwagoners are a thing for a reason.
He's in
I really don't know what other Pikmin character you can add other than Louie, which works well for Louie Bros, the only other options are like
>other captains using other pikmins as semi clones
>Oatchi maybe?
>Emperor Bulbax, though more boss material
Louie mogs everyone else with his distinct personality and using bugs as the bug master is hella interesting
Plasm Wraith?
Most of the captains could work with Olimar as a Koopalings deal but Louie does deserve his own moveset with how vicious he gets
That said I could see them adding Captain & Oatchi as a second playable rep for the next Smash
>Captain & Oatchi
oh yeah well duh, I don't know how I overlooked this, Oatchi would definitely help make a different captain more unique
Kazuya and Sephiroth were fun at least. Wish we got more SNK. Honestly I'd just really like NvS at this point.
yes Nintendo vs Sega would be kino
Oh, that actually would be cool, but I meant Nintendo vs SNK.
>Jack Frost
I'm still a little irritated that there was nothing from Megaten outside of P5's main cast as jpg's and music from P3-5. It's a pipe dream, but I'd love the SMT1 hero as a character in the next Smash. Or Aleph from SMT2.
Four 3rd party characters
>First pass you could tell that they were trying to keep the characters relatively balanced, excluding Joker, after the shit show that was Smash 4 DLC power creep
>Second pass they just completely said frick it who cares lmao just make them broken
this shit still funny as hell
On the fricking money, did they ever nerf him?
Over abundance of JRPG shit just because the game happens to be made in Japan, if Smash were developed in the west we’d probably get some shit like Abbey from TLOU2 or a GTA Character but they would still be better than shit like Joker and Byleth
Abbey has more killing experience than most of the roster at least
>TLOU2 or a GTA Character but they would still be better than shit like Joker and Byleth
eh these are my most hated(well Sora more than Byleth) but even I wouldn't take Abby, atleast fembyleth is hot also I would find both movesets boring compared to Byleth as much as I love GTA(precisely the PS2 era) all you do is is Punch, steal cars and shoot guns
if I had to pick a GTA character I would like Tommy the most although Kenny Wu was from the DS game, if I had to think of a fighting style it comes of as Nick Brawl levels of jarring
>typical brawling for nuetrals and tilts
>melee weapons like Bat, Chainsaw, Nightstick, Taser and Katana for Smash and Aerials
>Specials is guns, vehicles, jetpack for recovery
>maybe have long cheat code inputs as a special mechanic(had this idea reserved for Bill Rizer in contra with the contra code, but it can work for a GTA guy)
>Final Smash is a fighter jet and or tank
heh nevermind it can be soul if you try, but still I'm sick of guest characters and is not the best fit for Smash, oddly sounds like Frank West of Deadrising in other fighters
As much as I don’t mind Min Min, we were so close to having Lola Pop with her CLUSSY in Smash *Honking* as she kicks your ass making (you) look like the Clown
It's a crime she didn't make it to even a spirit
Sora has so much potential that giving him something so many characters already do is a waste
>ARMS character with more conventional moveset
I actually like it. Give her Min min's normals, remove the reflect from up smash, you've got a nice new fighter, despite your horny ass.
Pass 2 is way better than Pass 1
Pass 1:
>Joker
most unnecessary addition in smash history. Mute, personality void who will be disposed the second P6 comes out (only persona MC who has longevity is makoto)
>Hero
legit good choice
>Banjo
legit good choice
>terry
there are like 4 FG characters who should have gotten over him, 1 being released in FP2. KoF/FF aren't major enough despite their history
>Byleth
the worst addition in smash history
pass 2:
>min min
new nintendo first party series addition
>Steve
avatar of the most popular game of all time, warrented
>sephiroth
second only to bowser/ganondorf in terms of being iconic, warrented
>pyra/mythra
additions for a nintendo first party that was overdue for a new character
>kazuya
rep of the second largest FG series ever after SF
>Sora
ballot winner
Come on anon, regardless of how you feel about his standing in gaming, don't tell me Terry didn't justify his inclusion tenfold with 50 musical masterpieces and the best new stage in Ultimate
plenty of series have good music
But not every series has both good music in quality AND quantity, let alone to the extent of fifty freaking songs, and on top of that a stage with such a good gimmick people want it as a general feature for all in the game.
Plus SNK is huge outside of the States, fair game to rep them, it's arguably one of the most soulful inclusions in a game where every other character except him and Banjo was added to promote a recent release
>Plus SNK is huge outside of the States,
no it's not, the BIG IN MUH SOUTH AMERICA is a moronic meme. Not even hating on KoF but it's the truth. We should have gotten scorpion/sol badguy/nightmare over him
Have you any proof to support your take or are just being contrarian for the sake of it? Latin America breathes SNK games like it was oxygen
negative sales figures
Black person people here played it on the arcade machines, You can't measure KoF's popularity with sales figures.
If KoF was as popular as the south america soothsayers claim it is, the games in the post arcade era should be consistently selling at least a million
No, because KoF was already out of it's peak by the time the games became only available on consoles, and Latin America is just not Big enough to make an Impact in terms of console and game sales, but that doesn't mean the series is not historically and culturally significant.
As I said before, You can't measure KoF's relevance by using sales numbers.
yeah, anyone saying Terry is a star is deluded but there is some soul to picking Terry with how apparently Fatal Fury was inspirational to Smash Bros which is a cool nod
I agree Scorpion would be awesome, he may be censored but for Scorpion case it would be the point, given the controversial history Mortal Kombat has on the SNES being censored, it would be kino if the reference it with "sweat" coming out of fighters that Scorpion hits
Terry set up the precedent that you don't need to be the most well-known worldwide to get into Smash as long as your home franchise/company can bring a lot to the table in terms of content and uniqueness.
It's a shame that most of the other DLC picks after him were either boringly safe or already highly-demanded, because there's definitely a few other lesser-known guest characters that I think would've worked great for Smash.
yeah it was refreshing to get s lesser known guy that wasn't a gag character ever since like Lucas
Arle I get, but Takkosuke is never ever territory since there hasn't been a new Parodius in over 20 years aside from pachinko shit
My cope is that they'd choose Tako (Takosuke is actually the name of his son in two of the later games) to represent the entire Gradius franchise (along with Konami's other shooting games) because the Vic Viper would be too impractical to animate as a fighter. Even in the Parodius games where the ship is depicted as sentient, it's still never depicted with visible limbs in gameplay or manual/promo artwork.
Tako would be able to animate like the other "waddling head" fighters like Kirby, Meta Knight and Jigglypuff, while still being able to use his SHMUP tools as well (helps that he has the same loadout as one of the Vic Viper's possible weapon sets in Gradius II.)
Terry is one of the most soulful inclusions they could have done and it's a terrible shame to see anons in this thread dismissing him simply because he wasn't one of the trillion characters people have discussed to death to the point if they finally make it they'll come as a given.
You just reminded me of how I'm still unhappy how Panel de Pon never got more than one music track and an item to this day. Puzzle games are just ignored in general outside of Dr. Mario.
I'm unhappy that there hasn't been a new Panel de Pon game in years, not even a simple eShop exclusive
I blame the literally soulless 3DS entry for killing the franchise. Why they thought even JP wanted a completely personality less version of the game is beyond me (and then to add insult to injury they dummied out the hidden Lip stage in the non-JP versions).
>Terry set up the precedent that you don't need to be the most well-known worldwide to get into Smash as long as your home franchise/company can bring a lot to the table in terms of content and uniqueness.
And then Sakurai followed that up with Byleth which makes that statement fall flat on its face and lose all meaning, then he says shit like “Smash is a celebration of gaming” while revealing another FE character
come on. you know is Sakurai that wants all the FE shit
SNK inspired Smash Bros.
SNK inspired Smash Bros by showing what not to do in a fighting game.
Didn’t a new KoF come out shortly after Terry got into Smash? Terry got in to promote that game.
Not really. The latest 2 KOFs were released in 2016 and 2022 respectively.
>byleth's reasoning
not even close
corrin is the second worst, byleth is worse because it's a follow up on corrin
Corrin is infinitely worse because
>released as the one DLC Nintendo newcomer in a game that had already added 2 FE characters in the base game and another as DLC
>from a game that hadn't even released worldwide
>said title ended up being disliked by most of the fandom anyway
>no stage and only a pitiful track
It was Corrin who shat the bed with FE representation in Smash, Byleth earned their spot as FE3H had already proved itself by the time Byleth released and ended up the best selling game in the series and also one of the most loved, Byleth isn't to blame for the series' mishandling in Smash
>Byleth earned their spot as FE3H had already proved itself by the time Byleth released
Byleth got in the pass despite the game being closer to the DLC release date despite springman/rex not getting in the base game for the same excuse. It was peak FE favoritism, Byleth is also worse because Sakurai himself said there were too many FE characters but then another one got added (plus chrom as a semi-echo)
And again FE3H easily deserves a rep on its own merits, it isn't its fault that prior to Byleth's arrival the series has been so mismanaged in Smash.
No, he doesn't. TH got special privilege before the quality of the game was even known, that alone is horseshit plus how oversatured the FE crew already was.
I don't know what you're complaining about when both ARMS and XC2 later got characters anyway
you're missing the point, a shitty nobody FE character no one cares about (unlike dimitri/edlegard) from an already over-repped series got special favors for no reason. ARMS and xenoblade getting reps later is irrelevant, especially when they were warranted characters and actually fit their release timelines
>Byleth earned their spot as FE3H had already proved itself by the time Byleth released and ended up the best selling game in the series and also one of the most loved, Byleth isn't to blame for the series' mishandling in Smash
Byleth didn't earn shit. He/She was planned to be in Smash Ultimate regardless since Sakurai had access to early prototypes of 3H before 3H was even out.
Also Byleth is a terrible avatar when compared to Corrin. Literally has no customization or dialogue outside of voice battle dialogue.
Just incase for the moronic Byleth fans thinking I'm lying:
>"I had asked Three Houses’ development team for a rundown of the game and ended up playing it in secret after borrowing a production ROM. As for putting forward a proposal, you have to come up with something early or talks with the team can’t start. For example, you can’t create a sound without a motion to produce it, and you can’t have motion without a model, and you can’t make a model without developing a plan for it first. Planning encompasses a wide variety of factors, too: you’ve got stages and balancing, debug, PR, the works. The higher up the business there is the sooner we take care of it, but I’m the one that sets up the foundation for everything. To that end it was pretty much required that I be intimately familiar with the source material.
>I’m no stranger to games, I typically play them a good deal, actually; and if you have that sort of experience, things like the story and its direction generally come to you more quickly.
>Even so, you can’t really do much with a game that hasn’t been released yet! So, I continued working on other things alongside Three Houses’ development.
https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-the-creation-of-byleth-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate/
If Ultimate wasn't rushed at launch we would have seen Byleth be a part of the base roster akin to Plant.
Byleth was a happy accident in the sense that in retrospect FE3H was adored by fans and did well commercial too, so they lucked into repping a game that'd have merited recognition down the road anyway, but it's true the way they went about it is complete BS and shows a bizarre favoritism toward a series that is already massively overrepresented for the little impact it's made.
It'd be different if other Nintendo IPs also saw a similar level of attention but somehow it's just FE that sees representation on par with Mario and Pokémon despite being leagues underneath them
fire emblem has been around since the nes and has a new main character every game, it is what it is
They don't have to go with the default characters, reinforced in the DLC with Min Min and Pyra/Mythra. In a better world Sheik would've set a precedent and every other Zelda releasing would've added the most prominent character not already playable in Smash (so Midna for TP or Ghirahim for Skyward for instance)
>They don't have to go with the default characters,
i agree but minmin got in because someone suggested her, pyra/mythra is basically the deuteragonist
>They don't have to go with the default characters, reinforced in the DLC with Min Min and Pyra/Mythra.
Sakurai's strange explanations on how Min-Min and Pyra/Mythra represent their game as main characters almost tells me this isn't true; that Sakurai refuses to go with anything that isn't a main protagonist unless pushed. Which would be why series like Kirby and Zelda don't get enough, because their main characters often stay the same.
Think the issue is that Smash doesn't seem to bother enough with adding core characters to franchises still missing some unless it's to promote a new release. Under this scenario the FE series is almost tailor made to keep receiving newcomers until the end of the universe.
But seeing how it took until Ultimate for DK to finally get K. Rool or Metroid to receive Ridley at long last, they should keep in mind a better balance when they invariably add yet another FE fighter. Just saying, "yeah another FE character but look here's Dixie/Impa/etc too" would go a long way.
pyra and mythra were a concession, rex+pyra didn't work because switch's hardware is awful
Min min is a weird scenerio, it's rare that a non-MC gets in
they are terrible for the same reason but as time went on Byleth has more lasting appeal being from a game thag was good while Corrin is from a forgetable game, also we already had a couple of 3DS FE guys while you can make the case that theres now other Switch FE guy although imo, we don't really need one
if it were up to me, I wouldn't keep either of them at all, honestly not much from FE is truly necessary beyond Marth and Lucina as an echo/costume and Ike is just cool, I will say someone like Lyn does have lasting appeal while the rest in Smash feels more forgetable as the clock ticks
Nobody gives a frick about byleth, it's about the three house leads (actually just two with dimitir/edlegard).
I don't care either, just saying Corrin is worse
I can see the logic in going with Byleth to appear impartial but that's thrown out of the window with Pokémon always favoring one of the starters so yeah def should have been Edelgard instead of Byleth
They always pick the most popular starter with the exception of incineroar where they had to guess and made the wrong decision unlike greninja
>there are like 4 FG characters who should have gotten over him, 1 being released in FP2. KoF/FF aren't major enough despite their history
considering smash exists partly due to kof I say he deserves to be in
Both are trash and will ruin the acceptability of other FE characters who should’ve been in before these 2 shits even existed such as Lyn, Hector or Ephraim
Lucina is the worst of all those 3. At least those two are the leads in their game.
This cancerous b***h chumped her fricking dad out the game, who's one of the leads in his game along with Robin who at least got in and isnt another fricking Marth derivative.
A kh2 or recoded or kh3 move set would have easily been Goated.
He could have made it so that sora has a drive gauge and can use it to go into a drive form which grants different movement, abilities, and specials. Even if he stuck to kh1, he could have made sonic blade a ground only super fast combo move. He could have added strike raid as the neutral b. He could have made up special a ragnarok aimed towards the ground. He could have made ars arcanum sora’s down special. I’m genuinely curious how Sakurai fumbled the bag so hard.
Come on, the final character that was so hyped for one of the most widespread games in the industry? İts gonna have to take more effort.
Generally İ like the idea of comboing midair. But its the fact that they're the most boring combos from KH1 that makes me sad and they put it into his moveset QUADRİCE. They didnt even include the various ground-combo finishers or the ONE aerial finisher that comes always at the end of the combos.
Min Min literally doesn't have a full move set. All of her attacks, whether they're in the air, on the ground, or smash attacks, are just "she punches." It's accurate to ARMS, I guess: limited and incredibly uninteresting.
Sephiroth, Kazuya and Sora are all good choices.
>Hold on my color is loading
Will Kirby get a new moveset in Smash 6 based on Forgotten Land?
over sakurai's dead body.
Honestly it’s definitely time for Sakurai to step down from Smash. He can say what he wants about
>“not being able to imagine the series going on without him”
But he has these really bizarre grudges against certain series and his ideologies for Smash are getting really stale and predictable, in a way it holds Smash itself back from reaching an all new potential with a new vision.
Playable Magolor please
>no Shimomura characters
What would he do, inhale big objects from off screen regardless of if the objects would actually be there? Where would he find a traffic cone while fighting on the outside of a sapaceship?
I hope not, Kirby moveset his fine, his rework if so should be minimal
keep his jab, tilts and most aerials the same
I wouldn't mind his dash(which already changes) Smashes and other specials being new moves though
Delusion. We can't even get a moveset overhaul for characters that actually need it like Sonic and Ganondorf. Let alone the fact that Sakurai hates nu-Kirby.
if Kirby gets new moves I would like
>Up Smash: The Rock Fist Uppercut
>Side Smash: Move Hammerflip here
>Down Smash: Rock moved here but heavier and has more forms, can still slide down slopes but it can attack doing so now
>F-Air: The Ice figureskating twirl
>Up B: The Firecracker fusion from 64, where you can have 3 more jumps while attacking
>Side B: Plasma shots(varies just like in SS where you can more static through friction
>Down B: The Soda Machine mouthful that shoots rng items like cans or food like fridge kirby in 64
It will be in Smash 6
It's a contender for the Pokemon I hate the most. It's at the least the starter I hate the most.
Xenoblade, Fire Emblem and Persona are my two favorite JRPGs series of all time
Minecraft and Banjo Kazooie are two of my favorite overall series of all time
FF, KH amazingg series as well and probably in my top 30.
Don't give a shit about Tekken, Arms, or KoF.
Never mind that I’m still salty Daisy is a 1:1 of Peach when you have shit like Chrom and Ken who share that Echo Label
never forget how she was patched so they can make sure she is 1:1 to Peach, that was grim
also they can frick off having a Dark Samus using more unique moves as an AT but a total clone as a fighter in Ultimate when she has a frick ton of source material to use, yes fricking Isabelle got the semi treatment usinf completely made up shit
>b-but she's popular
not more popular than Daisy yet Daisy is a total clone so it all gets so questionable
>not more popular than Daisy
I have a feeling Sakurai likes Isabelle more than her.
Isabelle got the semi-clone treatment because she was nothing more than a advertisement for New Horizons.
Can't have a literal shill rep be some echo when you need them to be a semi-unique to promote their game.
New Leaf sold over 10 million copies
I think Tom Nook will be in smash 6
I'll take it, is not too unwarranted given that AC outsells Pokemon now, but thats not everything, just saying
anywho Tom Nook would be awesome moving around like a Tanooki suit mario, attacking with huge money bags and gag shit like literally taxing the opponents health
Tom Nook's gimmick should likely be building things, considering he manages housing and infrastructure. As for Isabelle, I think she should take the Lloid Rocket from Villager, give him the fishing rod, and lose the pocket ability in exchange for something like singing, protecting herself with a slowing field while music notes fan out from her and deal some scratch damage to nearby opponents. Let her up smash stop projectiles from the front, too.
Isn't Isabelle insanely popular? Maybe they added her because people like her and not just to advertise a new game
he has point, you can't center a trailer around an echo when Isabelle easily could've been one but is convenient for Isabelle to not be one so they can showcase AC subliminally
also as stated, Daisy is also super popular, arguably even more than Isabelle so why not make her a semi clone aswell? even Chrom and Ken have less cloned sets but they are nowhere near as popular as Daisy
If Isabelle got it because of authentic popularity then they wouldn't have to promote New Horizons in her trailer.
The fact they did means she was only included because Isabelle inclusion in Smash Bros means more interest in the upcoming Animal Crossing title.
No different from how Roy was included in Melee to promote Fire Emblem 6.
>No different from how Roy was included in Melee to promote Fire Emblem 6.
its not even slightly similar, Isabelle is popular as frick fe 6 wasnt even out yet
shilling is fine if the characater is warranted regardless, it's the FE shit that's bad
So now we’ve gotten to the point where Isabelle was shilled in like an FE Character? Even though she was an Assist Trophy last game?
nta but it does seem like they used her to shill the new animal crossing conveniently, schizo admittedly but I can see it
Sora was the only bad one
I played as him and he was fun. Also I'm pretty sure your opinion is contrarian. OH NO
>Still no 2nd Warioware Rep
I like Orbulon the most, but deep down I know Jimmy T. would be the best choice.
yeah I agree, I've always wanted Jimmy T. Frick ashley e-girlgays
The issue I have with Ashley being the most popular Warioware pick is she just isn't goofy enough to represent the series as she's supposed to be a moody character against a bunch of bizzare and upbeat characters. Giving Warioware it's own wacky character in Smash could not only please people who want more representation of that series, but could free Wario up to better represent Wario Land. I don't know, I'm just throwing around ideas.
she can be accompanied with Red who is a silly little imp
Maybe.
I envision Ashley using Red like Rosalina's Luma who is also involved in a cauldron cooking Down B similar to Villager's down by but with 3 routes with throwing Red in the pot
>vertical explosion red sacrifice
>summoning a stationary Plant monster
>giving Red a swole muscle man form briefly
depending how long Ashley stirs the pot
if Pac-Man doesn't make it, I hope they would compromise and make 9-volt illegally download some of his moves like his B and Smashes but ofc sprites from obscure NES games which would fit 9-volt perfectly
>Ashleygays still seething
Lmao give me Mona, she’s been in Warioware since Day 1
>Minmin and not Twintelle
>Steve& Alex and not Master Chief
>Sephiroth and not Tifa
>Two prostitutes
>Only good pick
>Some gay lmao
because of Kazuya. Who gives a frick about Tekken lol.
its the most popular fighter after street fighter
MK is more popular but not by much so no biggie, but Tekken has the title of most popular 3D fighter
Except for Sora, they all have some bullshit gimmick or very extreme strength that made them high/top tier.
honestly once mega man and pac-man got in i was satisfied.
Too many humans. This is video games give me some wacky characters not boring anime
this is your warioware rep
Pretty fitting choice actually as both a blank slate to do whatever, a good joke character, and meta with how everyone loves his games in-universe.
>homosexualroth is the most honest one there
good lord
always felt they wanted both passes to be all guest characters and if the deal fell through then they would use a first party character as filler. pretty sure it was confirmed that happened with sora but then disney came back later and was like actually go ahead.
>pretty sure it was confirmed that happened with sora but then disney came back later and was like actually go ahead.
source my ass
Sora happened because Sakurai met a Disney exec who brought it up. Nomura ended up being the one holding out.
I'm 50/50 on it being on the Nintendo purist side, I don't like too many guest characters but they definitely make more sense to have as DLC, imagine if WoL had a Persona section
As mentioned by
Disney was fine with Sora being added, while Nomura was hesitant, apparently because he was trying to figure out how him joining Smash would affect the KH lore or some other dumb shit.
He's in
I never want to see phoenix wright in smash and I say that as someone who likes ace attorney. He already wasted a slot in UMvC3, he's not meant to be a fighting character
Just say you want Edgeworth or Maya instead. We won't judge.
I think steve, sora and kazuya are fine enough, I really just didn't give a frick about the others. Did FF7 need 2 reps? No. Did we need some dlc character from a nintendo game no one cares about? Also no. More xenoblade is fine, it's becoming a big series but for dlc? It's a hard pill to swallow when your pass has min-min.
Here's what I'd do.
>Famicom Detective Club girl
They're bringing it worldwide for the first time and she was meant for melee, could boost a whole series internationally. ARMs finished selling, save spring-man for the next game
>Steve
>Ryu Hayabusa
Get Tecmo on the board, it's criminal how left out they were despite being such frequent Nintendo collaborators.
The rest could be the same. I think it's pass 1 I'd fix up more. I'm not in the mood to write up my replacements so I'll just say out.
>Joker
OUT. What a boring fricking character, if his framedata wasn't good for so long no one would play him.
>Hero
Amazing
>Banjo
Needs to be tweaked somewhat. Unique down b and allow egg swaps. As-is very unspecial.
>Terry
Yeah okay he's fine
>Byleth
OUT. Enough FOTM FE as dlc. They must find doing this boosts the frick out of sales or something because no way are they unaware of how much this pisses most people off.
>More xenoblade is fine, it's becoming a big series but for dlc? It's a hard pill to swallow when your pass has min-min.
>immediately suggests famicom detective club after for an inclusion
ARMs is seen as done. FDC was just about to get a release, the timing would have worked out a lot better in this scenario where I'm in charge and trying to make it make sense. The sheer amount of goodwill our pass will have from normies for including steve and sora would be enough to get us a new series an international audience. Plus she'd actually be the main character not some dev's waifu. Smash nerds will love it since she was cut from melee too. Covers much more bases.
sakurai probably wasn't even aware FDC was being remastered
Sakurai didn't pick the passes, Nintendo did. Nintendo should have made this pick and not an arms character.
>Famicom Detective Club girl
You’re so based, I want to marry you anon!
I see evidence for something like DBZ and Saint Seiyah beinf popular in Mexico but never KoF, I even asked my friends from Mexico if it has any presence there, but idk maybe is not in mexico that is popular
It honestly disgusts me how there are people who want a port of Ultimate keeping all the same garbage instead of a fresh built from the ground up reboot, Never forget, Smash Ultimate is Smash 4 Port, the reused Victory Themes and Results Music are a big example
well how would you built it from the ground up? what new engine would it use?
personally I think how The Kirby Return to Dreamland remake looks would look nice in Smash
this reminds me, Chrom is cloneception, a fricking clone within a clone
>what if we gave the first marth crone and echo
*raughs
>instead of a fresh built from the ground up reboot
because I don't want the chances for my characters to get reduced even harder because the game now only has Mario, Kirby, Pokemon and FE characters and it'll take 20 more years for it to get as big in character count again
>Victory themes
Recycled from Brawl. In fact, Brawl was the last game that added new victory themes and new voice clips for a lot of characters, especially the Mario ones.
I'm glad we got more villains
Sora was the only bad one.
It's funny how nindies/xenogays still hate Joker so much because Persona 5 eclipsed their shit game in 2017.
I hate Joker because we could've gotten Puyo Puyo, a better Sega series, instead
What now dumbfrick?
I gotta say, I do like the recent shift in rostergayging to prioritize lasting impact over recency/relevance, after adding K Rool and Banjo more are seeing the light to getting someone like Skull Kid or Midna, not trying to coat tail with them just saying they are memorable characters with lasting impact that don't really show up much anymore
Because it was at the time where I lost all my friends. So there’s characters we never played as. Just in limbo.
>all this complaining over Sephiroth
Easily the best in the second pass
Complaining doesn't mean he's good
First 2 chars never have to interact with you, 3rd char is meh, but at least balanced.4th char is hyper autism tryhard mode, 5th char is skilless input memorization, and sora is just boring.
>literal who
>iconic but ultimately boring looking non-character
>superfluous since Cloud already got in
>more xenoblade shilling(only 3 people played this game)
>B-list gaming icon
>Actually neat
I watch smash character reveal reactions whenever I want to feel something
>Pirahna Plant
Fine
>Joker
Extremely lame
>Hero
Based
>Banjo
Fine
>Terry
Based
>Byleth
Terrible
>Min Min
Terrible
>Steve
Terrible
>Sephiroth
Terrible
>Pyra and whoever
Terrible
>Kazuya
Fine
>Sora
Terrible
out of all the DLC, I would only keep Min-Min, Hero and Pyra for the next game and Banjo if Microsoft somehow allows it again
>Pyra
Sorry, but your waifu is lame and a wasted slot.
I don't really care but she does seem warranted, but I had to pick a Xenoblade guy, I would take Mumkhar or Elma over her any day, but at this point I prefer the guy from Baten Kaitos if we were to get another monolith guy, honestly Shulk is truly necessary although I still think it was warranted at the end of the day
I hope they never make another Onions Bros because nobody cares about gameplay anymore it's just moronic rostergayging 24/7
>dude what if captain crunch got it
>dude heres my theoretical move list for captain crunch
>dude let me list my made up reasons for why a character can or can't get in the game
>dude what if Stan from South Park gets in
>dude what if Adam Sandler gets in
>dude
>dude
>dude
if you spend that much time theorizing about what characters could make it into a bing bing wahoo game you should unironically have a nice day. I can't think of a bigger waste of time. Smashing your fingers with a hammer would at least give you the life experience of seeing what it's like to not use a hand for awhile.
>A game that built itself on well-known video game characters interacting mostly focuses on said characters
Out of these three characters who would you want in the next Smash?
Cuphead
I would like a spinoff thats like Smash in 3D but more of a TPS making it like platformer centric game of King of the Hill
>Waluigi
>4 Kirby characters but 1 FE
>cutting Zelda characters
God, so fricking uncreative lmao
>cutting
is not Smash Bros
Oh, then what's the logic for half the characters being present, like Min-Min or Shulk
major characters of major series
Not Rex or Springman? Why?
idk man I kinda spitballed this but I guess a different ARMS guy would be more interesting
I'd only accept something like this, if this is explicitly a spinoff game handled by a different team and not the next big installment in the series. It would be nothing but PR suicide otherwise
Or they could take the SF6 approach
Make your own Smash take using SF6 as inspiration
this is the worst idea I seen yet, we have Fraymakers coming soon for that anyways
It's not bad, I just choose to play as cute underwhelming characters like Pichu and Isabelle and there was nothing like that in the DLC.
Minecraft Steve was the worst character ever put in any Nintendo game period he is that bad
Still surprised there isn't a Smash gacha. Would print money.
I remember some people thinking the whole spirits thing was gonna be like a gacha with the star ratings back when Sakurai first introduced them.
To help prove my point
pyra and mythra are literally the best addition in the whole game
anyone who hates them is a moronic tourist and needs to go back
I’ll give you this, at least they’re better than the 8th Marth
Boring choices that just shill recent games instead of being important picks that celebrate game history.
Because you're a homosexual who thinks the game is catered to you.
Move on, next thread. Make a real fricking thread next time.
Wow this Smash Thread reached bump limit faster than expected
I’m up for a new thread if anyone makes it
why did they cut them as AT? they are a much better Latios and Latias, without that annoying ass windbox
Yeah it was dumb to remove extra Warioware Representation
Do it, I'm game.
Better yet, why not reskin them on the Ice Climbers? I don't anyone would have complained and Wario could have gotten another rep.
I love the idea of cross series echos
I mean they cloned Ganondorf from Falcon so why the shit not? not mention Jiggs from Kirby was a semi in 64
Kat & Ana as Icies Echoes probably would’ve been the best utilization of the echo concept but they wasted it on obvious picks and they already done that in the past with Falcondorf in Melee
>Pirahna Plant
Filler no one wanted and for a game that needed more development time, that fact leaves a bad taste.
>Joker
Bad. I'm not even a SMT fan, but Jack Frost should have been chosen over him. He's the franchise mascot and has a much more iconic design. He was also on Nintendo consoles before Smash Ultimate.
>Hero and Banjo
Both good picks. Dragon Quest is extremely popular in Japan and has a good place in gaming history and on Nintendo. Banjo was huge for the N64 and its not like he had much of a history after Rare stopped making games for Nintendo. Having them revealed back to back felt like a way to please both Popular McJRPG and Scrimblo Bimblo fans at the same time.
>Terry
Meh pick. King of Fighters inspired Smash, but it doesn't have much history with Nintendo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last game that wasn't just being emulated from the online services or a compilation on a Nintendo system was on the GBA. He really sticks out like a sore thumb.
>Byleth
Meh pick. Same complaints as everyone else. I have been harshly rating these characters on how much history they have with Nintendo, but Byleth was one of the worst possible choices for a Nintendo rep with the oversaturation of Fire Emblem that is mostly made up of clones.
>Min Min
Good pick. Representation of a newer Nintendo series that's a fighting game too.
>Steve
Good pick. Being the best selling video game of all time and being on recent Nintendo systems makes up for a lot.
>Sephiroth
Bad pick. We didn't need another Final Fantasy rep and if we did, we didn't need another one from 7 considering how vast the series is.
>Pyra and Mythra
Good pick because of representing newer Nintendo and being something people want even if I don't care for them.
>Kazuya
Bad pick. Same problems as Terry without the excuses.
>Sora
Meh pick. One of the most requested Smash characters and having decent Nintendo history is all I can give him. His association with Disney characters really made him seem like a character that would open the floodgates of what's allowed in Smash, but then they didn't do much with it and that kind of takes away from him. He was always going to be a mixed choice no matter what they did. The DLC as a whole was just average. Too many characters that lost the meaning of Smash. Next game needs a course correction.
Outside of Banjo, Sora and maybe Hero, no one was clamoring for these shit picks. I’m not saying if the character choices were better, the game wouldn’t be as dead, but it’d sure be more fun. Even the characters that were requested, Banjo and Sora are boring to fight. Honestly dude, the choices were dog shit all around, their implementation sucked and it’s a dead game. Sakurai is an idiot.
I tried to be as positive as I could and give credit where it's due.
Frick all that. It was just terrible DLC. Our ideas unironically would’ve been better. We also wouldn’t have given the DLC characters lame comeback mechanics. No one’s getting back on Smash in 2023 to play as this Byleth, Pyra or Min Min bullshit. It’s silly. Sakurai should be smacked.
>Joker
He was a complete literal who to me, I don’t care if he surprised everyone at Game Awards 2018, he still feels like an odd choice and only resulted in people b***hing for Purse Owner on Switch, I also hate how the inclusion has rubbed on Remix 64 also putting a Mementos Stage in it which is very jarring.
I don't understand how they messed up so badly.
They pandered too hard to RPG’s. Half of them are from RPG’s
>Joker
RPG
>Hero
RPG
>Banjo
Platformer
>Terry
Fighting
>Byleth
RPG
>Min Min
Fighting
>Steve
Sandbox
>Sephiroth
RPG
>Pyra/Mythra
RPG
>Kazuya
Fighting
>Sora
RPG
7 out of 12 are from RPG’s. 3 are from fighters. This leaves Banjo and Steve as the only outliers, if you’re taking genre into account. Basically, unless you were an RPG or fighting fan, you had VERY slim pickings when it came to which characters you had to get excited about. Yes I know FE, DQ and KH aren’t particularly the exact same type of RPG, but RPG characters tend to play similarly since they all have swords. I’m also aware Japan is fond of RPG’s and the rest of the world is to an extent, but why the FRICK did they pander so goddamn hard? Not everyone is into those games. They just didn’t bother to make the DLC appealing to everyone. They could’ve had some horror characters, hack and slash, FPS, literally anything but fricking HALF OF THE DLC being from RPG’s. The blatant favoritism killed it.