Why were they so terrible?

Why were they so terrible?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Worst in the franchise

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm trans btw

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is that why u like johto?

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    no odd egg, insufficient improvements over gs, SLOW, uglier than crystal somehow

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The ds games were super ugly true, no offense to sinnohbros. At least bdsp fixed your games.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >At least bdsp fixed your games.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    how interesting

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Being a contrarian doesn't make you interesting. But it does make you a homosexual, OP.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Contrarians are the people who hate swsh, I'm a higher level of contrarianism, maybe an ultra contrarian.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Gen 1 is the worst gen and is a failure on every level and only succeeded because of nintendo's marketing

        This is what I call a Super Contrarian 3.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I like Gen 1 but this is true outside of Japan. The west didn't give a shit about JRPGs especially at the time, they only cared about Pokemon because of a big multimedia marketing campaign.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Contrarians are the people who hate swsh
        lol no
        hating games with objectively garbage game design decisions does not make you a contrarian

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >i dislike the game so it is objectively bad
          >objectively
          i don't think that word means what you think it means

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >SwShills at it again

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't, stop posting the same thread you PinoBlack person

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because you touch yourself at night

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They were great improvements on kinda weak source material. Like polishing a turd, but if the polish was full of nanobots that both increased the value of the turd and made it a mechaturd with such great technological improvements you wouldn’t know it was once based on a turd.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Awful analogy from a tasteless Black person

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    In combination with the terrible selection of mons, the level curve unironically ruins the game.
    Everything Johtobabs said should be true, it would be the best pokemon game ever and blah blah with two regions if not for the fact all the mons are dogshit. Even the fricking grass starter is bad.

    What's amusing is that the original gen2 is actually better balanced than the fricking remake. In an attempt to be EPIK they gave everyone souped up teams and buffed Red's levels again. In the original the badges give stat bonuses and the AI sucks and has no EVs. So the bad level curve is less of an issue.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Even the fricking grass starter is bad.
      Because you're using it wrong. Use dual screens.
      >In the original the badges give stat bonuses and the AI sucks and has no EVs. So the bad level curve is less of an issue.
      The game has E4 rematches, grind with those.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Use dual screens.
        The game isn't hard enough to warrant wasting move slots on LS or reflect

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >grind
        concession accepted

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >In an attempt to be EPIK they gave everyone souped up teams and buffed Red's levels again.
      >Endgame secret boss is way beyond the player's level
      Soul. This is what all video games should strive for.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >team of only shillmons
        >soul
        johtoddler mental gymnastics are always fun

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Team of references to the first game
          >Soul
          Yes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >kanto pandering is soul now
            lol, the absolute state of johtroons

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >sequel
              >pandering
              nugen players never understand

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Gen 1 Protagonist using Pokemon that were given to the player in Gen 1 is Kanto Pandering
              are you really this moronic?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >KANTOKANTOKANTOKANTO
              Die Unovabortion

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Zoomers will never really be able to live watching Red once again but this time he just wants to kick your ass

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >why did BW2 have Unova pandering
              you can't make this shit up

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                BW2 is a third version lol, that would be like saying why does crystal have johto pandering

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >An obscene 2 after the names, because it's a sequel
                Johtohaters can't read

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry 2nd version my bad lol. Maybe if gold and silver were called red2 and blue2 you'd have a point. Sorry you lost.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao Johtohaters are all illiterate ESLs.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                i smell your tears from here

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I smell your shit from here, Pajeet. Build a goddamn bathroom in your house ffs

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                no u

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              based moron

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine being such a contrarian moron you hate the original pokemon games just because theyre popular

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Pokemon Challenge buzzwords
      ZzZzzZzZ

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this. been playing since red and blue and ive got no idea what ev's and iv's are lol

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Even though Meghan died I’m glad her legacy lived on

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing that was added in HGSS made me more likely to play it over the originals

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They forced you to play in Weakto with all the crappy weaktomons, even Pidgeotto is stronger then weaklugia and weakchicken, literally the only saving grace of this game is being abel to evolve some weaktomons into their superior Sinnoh badasses

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Op here, just wanted to say that I'm trans and will never pass tihihihi

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It amends a lot of the jank from the original GSC, but doesn't go far enough to fix issues like the weird level curve.
    Really, a lot of that issue could've been alleviated if they had just included the Vs. Seeker from FRLG/DP to rebattle any trainer you want on your own terms. The cell phone is totally unreliable, and you essentially get zero rematch calls anyway until post-game. So if you need more EXP, you need to grind wild pokemon. But the wild pokemon are laughably low level in most places, so that's a horribly tedious process. And this also spills over to the issue people have with pokemon distribution, because it becomes a tedious affair to actually use any pokemon you encounter late-game because of how annoying it is to grind them up to the rest of your team's level. This incentivizes the player to basically just stick with six mons they find very early on, because switching out any parts of your team requires you to essentially start from scratch, slowly grinding them up on wild pokemon.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You can call trainers at the right time for a rematch, Bulbapedo has a table for it on the Pokegear page.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >need to use a table to play a video game
        Bad game.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds incredibly tedious, not to mention doesn't really work as a painless way to grind up your mons because you're reliant on trainers being available for rematches at whatever the time happens to be, and you can't keep rematching them on your own schedule, not unless you go through the tedious process of resetting your clock over and over and over.

        Point being, grinding is especially annoying in the johto games. They should've included the Vs. Seeker, bare minimum, to help solve this problem. As it stands, whenever I play HGSS I just use PKSM to edit in rare candies because otherwise it's just too much of a time-consuming pace-breaker trying to update my team composition at all.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Just play Crystal. Gen 3 and after is ruined by EV, nature and ability autism.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong. Gen 4 and after is ruined by the Physical/Special split. Abilities were kino. Frick natures though.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only people who suck Sinnoh's dick while simultaniously taking Hoenn's dick up their ass think HGSS are bad

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing really against HGSS, I just really like Crystal.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, yeah. I do have something against HGSS. The soundfont is fricking terrible, completely botched the iconic National Park theme. I'll never forgive them.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    lol looks like I hit a nerve. johturd games are the worst with kanto pandering, it's not even a contest and no amount of mental gymnastics or screaming "B-BUT IT'S A SEQUEL" will change that

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      lol looks like i'm trans. Unova games are the best, it's not even a contest btw i'm

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    tears streaming down johtroon faces rn

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    yeah yeah fr we trans we trans rn rn

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >so bad it made /vp/
    yep, irredeemable.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    bc your boomer ass had to play an intro to get to the ""good"" part?

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The only competition to BW2.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want to play these games again but with Fairy-type rom hack.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dray is doing v2 overhauls for his HGSS hacks but the fricking things keep getting delayed indefinitely due to ridiculous feature creep.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        His stuff is cool but I don't like how he changes pokemon types instead of just properly updating their typings.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because you have shit taste

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    johto sucks, can't believe how much effort they put into the remake while gen3 and 4 got cucked despite being better base games.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >IP: +0

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >IP: +0

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >>IP: +0

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Better base games
      ishygddt

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Also worth noting that Ohmori, the new scapegoat of /vp/ now that Masuda and Turner have left, was map designer for DPPt, RSE, and BW. RBY and GSC are the only games he hasn't touched.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        SOUL

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        goddamn does Gen 4 look fricking soulless

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Even cucked I would still rather play those remakes than hgss, johto is just that shit.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They were very stingy with mon availability and evolution items,limiting team building.For example : Shiny Stone can only be obtained after National dex,so Togepi is basically unusable.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If they just added a better story in the second half that directly involved silver and Giovanni as well as fix mon selection and levels it’s the perfect game. Maybe add battle frontier on top of the new mini game stadium thing too.
    A simple effective mod of this game could easily make this a 10/10 for every fan of the series.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >If they just added a better story

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why zoomers hate Gen2 so much? is it because israelite Merrick told them they are bad?
    I played Red first and didn't like it but HGSS are the games that made me interested in Pokemon games.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >t. larping DSzoomer
      RBY will never be topped.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >shitty UI
        >no balance
        >everything running by luck and glitches
        >every pokemon have garbage movepool
        >psychic is broken
        >bug is unusable
        >ghost is moronic
        >dragon has only 1 move
        >awful sprites
        >but s-soul
        cringe cope
        I loved the anime as a kid in the 90s but RBY were garbage games and people only liked them because of hype and Nintendo brand

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It is soul, zoom zoom

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I turned 30 last week
            keep parroting the same meme to defend shit games

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Post ID, zoomer

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >post ID on Ganker
                i'm not a stupid discoorder like you

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                so you are a zoomer, how sad

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >shitty UI
          it's a Gameboy game you piece of shit
          >no balance
          wrong, play the game.
          >everything running by luck and glitches
          more soulful than running by hazards and teleport
          >every pokemon have garbage movepool
          yes.
          >psychic is broken
          not intended.
          >bug is unusable
          wrong, but I wish more Pokémon had Pin Missile for sure
          >ghost is moronic
          yes.
          >dragon has only 1 move
          doesn't matter really, it's just a boss type that resists all starters.
          >awful sprites
          yes.
          >but s-soul
          yes.
          I'm not supporting the cause of the other anon saying "RBY will never be topped" because like they released games between 1996 and 2004, but that's not that much cope really

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >wrong, play the game.
            I did. it's awful.
            FRLG is miles better and both are still inferior to HGSS
            >more soulful than running by hazards and teleport
            memes are not valid arguments
            >not intended.
            but means they didn't care about quality.

            when we were dumb kids who didn't know better, we could ignore the millions of flaws and enjoy the indie-tier shovelware but we are now adults and can see these games as nothing but garbage

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >when we were dumb kids who didn't know better, we could ignore the millions of flaws and enjoy the indie-tier shovelware but we are now adults and can see these games as nothing but garbage
              This but gsc and hgss

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                i bet you can't bring an actual critisim against HGSS other than what Joe Merrick said many times
                >muh curve
                >muh Johto pokemon in Kanto
                you are a meme consoomer NPC, zoomer

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >all the criticism of an almost decade and a half old game has already been said
                No shit, god damn your stupid lol

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                people will keep saying HGSS is better than the new games you got paid to shill, israelite Merrick
                cope and keep seething, you uneducated pedo autist who shill pokemon with lies for a living

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you let this gay live rent free in your head, is it all because you're bootybothered he doesn't like the same shit games you do?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >muh rent free meme xD
                choke on a wiener and die, gay Trainer Liam

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                God damn you're upset lmao

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >got exposed
                >"lmfao you are mad bro xD"
                why do you gay israelites always write the same stuff in every argument?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You really think I'm Mr Merriku? You're even more delusional than I thought

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You are either israelite Merrick or gay Trainer Liam who ALWAYS posts "rent free xD" in every tweet that exposes or talks shit against israelite Merrick

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Who the frick is Liam lmfao? I can't keep up with your schizo delusions

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Who the frick is Liam lmfao?
                you will never be Joe's boyfriend.
                it's easy to spot you because you always use the same "rent free" meme to defend Joe.
                there was more but you either deleted them or had different wording.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You need to stop spending so much time on Twitter buddy, not everyone who disagrees with you is from that site. Try touching grads.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I hope you touch some Russian shell grads with your head.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry I don't live in Ukraine either pal. You really need to take your meds.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >nooooo it's not me I swear
                this board caught israelite Merrick and many youtubers droning and shilling

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Okay yes it's me Mr merriku hi goy, glad to see you're still butthurt. Happy now lmfao?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >when we were dumb kids who didn't know better, we could ignore the millions of flaws and enjoy the indie-tier shovelware but we are now adults and can see these games as nothing but garbage
              Why is this "argument" only ever brought up when it comes to generation 1? Do you honestly believe that the majority of this board started playing Pokémon in the late 90s? I'd argue that a lot of people posting here started playing Pokémon around the mid to late 2000s. I hope you remember that HGSS came out in 2010 (in the western world) so /vp/ has a lot of genuine zoomers posting here.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >FRLG is miles better and both are still inferior to HGSS
              I absolutely agree
              >but means they didn't care about quality.
              lol no moronanon
              having a type in particular that sticks out as inherently broken does not mean that the game has "less quality"
              furthermore, you can make the point with later games too.
              >Steel is broken in Gen 2-8 because not only does it completely outclass Rock, it also resists what were previously the two best types, aka Psychic and Normal, and YET still has a quadrillion resistances
              >Dragon is broken in Gen 4-5 because of how good the moves and Pokemon are, and having almost no types resisting it to the point where the only check is the broken Steel-type from before
              >Fairy is broken in Gen 6-8 because it's amazing both defensively and offensively due to its only checks being the abysmally bad Poison-type and OF COURSE the broken Steel-type from before. Aaaaand I forgot to mention it invalidates the Dragon-type because lol

              And yet, Psychic was broken for good reason, Steel and especially Dragon were broken for good reason, and Fairy... no, Fairy is a common type that shouldn't be as broken as it is.
              Honestly, you'd make a better point by saying the blank-slate-Normal-type from Gen 1 shouldn't be as broken as it is, instead of going with the Psychic-type. Because Normal gets the best moves in the game while other types struggle to do so.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >especially Dragon were broken for good reason, and Fairy... no, Fairy is a common type that shouldn't be as broken as it is.
                >Fairy
                >common

                >As of Generation VIII, there are 60 Fairy-type Pokémon or 6.57% of all Pokémon (counting those that are Fairy-type in at least one of their forms, including Mega Evolutions and regional forms), causing it to tie with Ghost as the SECOND RAREST type after Ice.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Merrick told them they are bad?
      That's part of it. Another thing is false-fans trying to fitting by shitting on older games by exaggerating their flaws. Gen 1 is immune because Game Freak and TPC but it on a pedestal.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        But Johtroons are the false fans, they hate literally every other Pokemon game.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        zoomers think larping as Genwunners make them more interesting and EPIC and WHOLESOME and AWESOME and PWNSOME so they shit on everything after Gen1 and worship CHARIZARD even though they never played RBGY.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hgss fans are the Lowest form of scum walkin God's green earth you people suck

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hello bort

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Hgss fans are the Lowest form of scum
      I wish, but didn't you see the Switch games

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hgss fans are the most moronic human beings in whole world

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