He was honestly right. >He could have waited one day!!
Leon was a manchild, he was always going to put off the real problems so he could bask in glory. It was never about "one day".
The threat was literally a thousand years away and it WAS the busiest time for Leon, motherfricker had to wait a literal week and it would've been right as rain
The funniest thing is that it is super easy to show the reason why he is so obsessed with doing it as soon as possible, they just had to have some dialogue or text that says that because of a blackout in the past someone important to him died or was hurt, and that's why he wants to solve the problem as soon as possible, so that no one else has to go through something like that.
Those non-ashnime anime episodes online actually did that: his dad died in a coal mine accident "because help arrived too late" which left him OBSESSED with be on time even if is by literally thousands of years.
This explanation doesn't contradict or push against the other one at all, as it addresses a different aspect of Rose's nature. The other explanation is for why he personally didn't want to wait. I don't know if the comics are considered canon, though I remember that GF would consult on the anime.
The middle bit just implies that's the impression applied to his nature as opposed to necessarily being the case. But we also see that he cares about Oleana and puts her in a position of high regard. He also sees Leon as exceptional and is actively disappointed in Bede. It doesn't seem like he sees others as beneath him, but that might be his brother's rationalization.
I think taking a zero off the 1000 years and having Rose bring up that people will constantly put things off until it's too late during his conversation with Leon would salvage it enough.
>"Ok Rose after we do the champion tournament tomorrow we'll start right away" >"Leon don't you see? You put it off today and tomorrow something else will come up and slowly but surely people will just push it to the side 'oh its 100 years away we got time before its serious' and when the day comes and nothing is done? What will you say then?"
The actual correct thing to do would have been making Leon the villain and the end of days is something that is happening no matter what. But Leon is so up his own ass about the tournament he chooses to ignore it.
Same reason why that submarine dude refused to listen to everyone warning him that he was about to kill himself.
Rose was deadset on his personal fapfic of Leon Charizarding his way through the apocalypse and wasn't going to hear otherwise. There's a reason why his brother in the DLC doesn't like him.
Pokemon "villains" these days are getting too chaotic for their own good, hell, in SV they fricking died at the exact moment they realized they made a terrible mistake.
Stories in Pokemon just keep getting worse and this one was one of the stupidest ones.
By Rose's own admission the energy crisis was literally hundreds of years away, there was no urgency to it and thus absolutely zero reason for him to summon Eternatus right in the middle of the tournament; even if he wanted to ensure the eternal prosperity of Galar right in that moment he could have waited just one more day like Leon told him to.
What is worse is how easy it is to fix this stupid story, you just have to make the energy crisis something that is actually happening at the time the game is set and boom, Rose's actions are suddenly justified.
The better way of fixing it would take a bit more work tough, as it involves actually making use of Oleana as she is initially characterized; it is really weird how she goes from the no-nonsense secretary who has to constantly steer Rose back to his work because he keeps getting sidetracked with dumb shit into a crying damsel who begs you to rescue Rose from his own idiocy, having Oleana be the true villain who is manipulating Rose with horror stories about the energy crisis into summoning Eternatus while her real plan is to capture Eternatus for herself so she can conquer Galar would be far more intense, and it would also work better with the plotline about her cultivating a secret faction within MacroCosmos.
In a good story they would be, the best villains are the ones whose plans actually make sense even if they're immoral or extreme, forcing the player to question if stopping them was the right choice; even Pokemon did this with characters like Archie, Lysandre and Cassiopea.
>Cassiopea To be completely honest, Clavell was the real main character of that entire arc, and it was cool as shit that the character fricking everybody took as "The obvious villain" turning into the glorious based mother fricker in the entire franchise was cool as shit
Oh I know, I just wanted to mention Clavell
Otherwise I completely agree, I don't know about everybody else, but I didn't click to me that It was Penny until later, when it was much more obvious, the plot was more interesting when Clavell was gaining information from the Team Star Members separate from Cassiopeia's explanations
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I think both sides to the quest are well done, it's a plotline with layers unlike most other in Pokemon (Including the other two major quests in gen 9), Clavell doing his own investigation completely separate from Cassiopea shows that there are people concerned with Team Star's activities beyond Team Star's own members themselves and his antics bring some comedic relief to the story, and Cassiopea's role in the whole thing rises the question of how good is it to ultimately disband Team Star because while it is true tah they were slowly turning into delinquents it is also true that Team Star was giving them an outlet that they were not finding in social interactions with normies like Arven and Nemona.
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Yeah absolutely, I liked how you can find that small place in the Woods where Team Star members who decided they don't want to do this anymore were. Goes to show that Star members were really left at a depressing state.
It was cool seeing the ending, and how Clavell managed to let them reform properly, knowing full well what actually happened and how the previous director and staff failed to fix.
In general all pokemon stories have stupid niggles like this, like gen 7 completely wasting the Ultra Beasts which should have been aliens and the true forms of the people in Aether Paradise (Nihilego/Lillie, Buzzwole/Gladion, Pheromosa/Lusamine); or gen 9 which completely wasted the concept of Paradox Pokemon by keeping them secluded in the postgame dungeon.
>gen 9 which completely wasted the concept of Paradox Pokemon by keeping them secluded in the postgame dungeon.
Because they'd destroy the world if they ever got loose.
It was deliberate, anon. He wasn't supposed to be justified in that decision in the game, as that would take away the antagonist nature of the matter. It's a part of his character. The justification for WHY he did something so immediately just when all the pieces came together instead of waiting in a reasonable way gets explained in the anime. Your version isn't very attractive as an alternative, frankly.
But it is weird how his and Oleana's roles randomly switch, every time you meet them prior to the climax it is Rose wasting time getting sidetracked with silly stuff and Oleana getting angry and girlbossing him back to work, it really reeks of a late rewrite that Oleana is suddenly crying about all the awful things Rose is doing and Rose is all no-nonsense and obsessive about fixing the energy crisis.
Not that anon but you seem to be overanalyzing.
Oleana was always about doing what was best for Rose. She keeps him focused on his normal goals. What he ended up doing with Eternatus came as a shock to her, that was the point.
Yeah, she had the goal to collect wishing stars that she put for Bede to do, but it didn't look she knew the scale of what Rose was doing.
Oleana seems kind of like a handler. She seems to keep him on point, but it may also be a part of their relationship in the sense that she might know about his issue with leaving things undone or waiting. It also may be that he didn't have anything pressing to do until the necessary amount of Wishing Stars were cultivated. In the end, we see that it's her who can barely keep it together and he's the one that has the pieces right where he wants them. For the most part.
Eccentric genius that was actually a bit too confident in his plan and the people he'd arranged to set it in motion. He doesn't want to wait to solve the crisis that's far off, and that's particular bit that makes him odd to the point of being seemingly nonsensical. His plan ended up working, but Leon alone wasn't actually necessarily enough to capture Eternatus (I say necessarily because there's an aspect of it in that Leon didn't necessarily lose, but the explosion knocks him out and Charizard saves you and Hop and maybe your Pokemon if I remember correctly).
I think extended media ended up explaining something about him never wanting to be late again due to some childhood trauma with a family member's death so it doesn't actually go unregarded. In the end, he was reckless, however, and his actions were manipulative and dangerous. Just desserts in being arrested, but he's not evil on the face of it.
The Rose Tower Romp is still the most embarrassing thing I have ever seen in a Pokemon game because it just fricking happens out of nowhere and throws you into a ridiculous scenario.
And what's worse is that THIS was supposed to be the moment that Team Yell becomes helpful.
And then as a final frick you, "LMAO THEY THOUGHT ROSE TOWER WOULD BE A DUNGEON, ENJOY YOUR ELEVATOR RIDE"
Bad writing. GF has taken to creating more "complex" antagonists, which is fine but it makes whatever weaknesses in the writing more glaring. Also if your antagonist is characterized not as evil but just "flawed", they run the risk of appearing moronic.
Going from Rose being an impatient doomsday preparer to The Professor dying and having a Robot that shares the insane ambitions but doesn't want to fulfill until forced was a massive whiplash
Would he be justfied if he said the energy crisis was 1 day away and he had to act by today or else energy would slowly diminish and economies would collapse.
Why was so much of the plot in throwaway lines or external media? >the box legends saving galar from the darkest day in the past >why Rose endorsed Bede >why Oleana came to respect Rose so much >the rampaging dynamax Pokémon >how Rose even discovered Eternatus >his reasoning for not just waiting
Gamefreak should just stick to unrepentant asshats like Ghetsis. All their attempts at sympathetic or "well-meaning but misguided" antagonists fall flat on their face.
somebody just don't know what to do with facial hair
He wanted to be the hero that saved everyone.
how does he tie his necktie like that
It's a rosebud knot.
>You noticed.
Isn't Giovanni infamous, even across regions? Who wouldn't recognize him?
He kind of fell of after he and his entire operation were defeated by a ten year old.
>you noticed
It says your name right there moron
His battle theme chants "go rose, save everyone". The player was the bad guy
>autism
No, just pajeet brain
He was honestly right.
>He could have waited one day!!
Leon was a manchild, he was always going to put off the real problems so he could bask in glory. It was never about "one day".
Leon was literally at his beck and call all the time.
The threat was literally a thousand years away and it WAS the busiest time for Leon, motherfricker had to wait a literal week and it would've been right as rain
The funniest thing is that it is super easy to show the reason why he is so obsessed with doing it as soon as possible, they just had to have some dialogue or text that says that because of a blackout in the past someone important to him died or was hurt, and that's why he wants to solve the problem as soon as possible, so that no one else has to go through something like that.
In the anime they show his dad died in the coal mine.
Those non-ashnime anime episodes online actually did that: his dad died in a coal mine accident "because help arrived too late" which left him OBSESSED with be on time even if is by literally thousands of years.
Pokespe has its own version of why Rose is like that
This explanation doesn't contradict or push against the other one at all, as it addresses a different aspect of Rose's nature. The other explanation is for why he personally didn't want to wait. I don't know if the comics are considered canon, though I remember that GF would consult on the anime.
The middle bit just implies that's the impression applied to his nature as opposed to necessarily being the case. But we also see that he cares about Oleana and puts her in a position of high regard. He also sees Leon as exceptional and is actively disappointed in Bede. It doesn't seem like he sees others as beneath him, but that might be his brother's rationalization.
I think taking a zero off the 1000 years and having Rose bring up that people will constantly put things off until it's too late during his conversation with Leon would salvage it enough.
>"Ok Rose after we do the champion tournament tomorrow we'll start right away"
>"Leon don't you see? You put it off today and tomorrow something else will come up and slowly but surely people will just push it to the side 'oh its 100 years away we got time before its serious' and when the day comes and nothing is done? What will you say then?"
The actual correct thing to do would have been making Leon the villain and the end of days is something that is happening no matter what. But Leon is so up his own ass about the tournament he chooses to ignore it.
Thinking another character being the real villain would've been better doesn't really work cause Rose still did the stupid shit that he did
That's just an idea I had posted in a previous thread where the hard mode was to keep the plot the same but change it so it would be as moronic
Autism, moronation and above all, poor writing, even for pokemon standards.
Dogshit writing
Same reason why that submarine dude refused to listen to everyone warning him that he was about to kill himself.
Rose was deadset on his personal fapfic of Leon Charizarding his way through the apocalypse and wasn't going to hear otherwise. There's a reason why his brother in the DLC doesn't like him.
Pokemon "villains" these days are getting too chaotic for their own good, hell, in SV they fricking died at the exact moment they realized they made a terrible mistake.
Still waiting on the Pay off to USUM letting Giovanni escape with his new found dimension traveling powers
Stories in Pokemon just keep getting worse and this one was one of the stupidest ones.
By Rose's own admission the energy crisis was literally hundreds of years away, there was no urgency to it and thus absolutely zero reason for him to summon Eternatus right in the middle of the tournament; even if he wanted to ensure the eternal prosperity of Galar right in that moment he could have waited just one more day like Leon told him to.
What is worse is how easy it is to fix this stupid story, you just have to make the energy crisis something that is actually happening at the time the game is set and boom, Rose's actions are suddenly justified.
The better way of fixing it would take a bit more work tough, as it involves actually making use of Oleana as she is initially characterized; it is really weird how she goes from the no-nonsense secretary who has to constantly steer Rose back to his work because he keeps getting sidetracked with dumb shit into a crying damsel who begs you to rescue Rose from his own idiocy, having Oleana be the true villain who is manipulating Rose with horror stories about the energy crisis into summoning Eternatus while her real plan is to capture Eternatus for herself so she can conquer Galar would be far more intense, and it would also work better with the plotline about her cultivating a secret faction within MacroCosmos.
>Rose's actions are suddenly justified.
Rose's actions aren't supposed to be justified he's supposed to be a moron that is like 5% right
In a good story they would be, the best villains are the ones whose plans actually make sense even if they're immoral or extreme, forcing the player to question if stopping them was the right choice; even Pokemon did this with characters like Archie, Lysandre and Cassiopea.
>Cassiopea
To be completely honest, Clavell was the real main character of that entire arc, and it was cool as shit that the character fricking everybody took as "The obvious villain" turning into the glorious based mother fricker in the entire franchise was cool as shit
I mention Cassiopea more in relation to their backstory, why they created Team Star and why they became dissillusioned with it.
Oh I know, I just wanted to mention Clavell
Otherwise I completely agree, I don't know about everybody else, but I didn't click to me that It was Penny until later, when it was much more obvious, the plot was more interesting when Clavell was gaining information from the Team Star Members separate from Cassiopeia's explanations
I think both sides to the quest are well done, it's a plotline with layers unlike most other in Pokemon (Including the other two major quests in gen 9), Clavell doing his own investigation completely separate from Cassiopea shows that there are people concerned with Team Star's activities beyond Team Star's own members themselves and his antics bring some comedic relief to the story, and Cassiopea's role in the whole thing rises the question of how good is it to ultimately disband Team Star because while it is true tah they were slowly turning into delinquents it is also true that Team Star was giving them an outlet that they were not finding in social interactions with normies like Arven and Nemona.
Yeah absolutely, I liked how you can find that small place in the Woods where Team Star members who decided they don't want to do this anymore were. Goes to show that Star members were really left at a depressing state.
It was cool seeing the ending, and how Clavell managed to let them reform properly, knowing full well what actually happened and how the previous director and staff failed to fix.
In general all pokemon stories have stupid niggles like this, like gen 7 completely wasting the Ultra Beasts which should have been aliens and the true forms of the people in Aether Paradise (Nihilego/Lillie, Buzzwole/Gladion, Pheromosa/Lusamine); or gen 9 which completely wasted the concept of Paradox Pokemon by keeping them secluded in the postgame dungeon.
>gen 9 which completely wasted the concept of Paradox Pokemon by keeping them secluded in the postgame dungeon.
Because they'd destroy the world if they ever got loose.
This homie is a believer of the "People were actually aliens" shitpost from Gen 7 pre-release
It was deliberate, anon. He wasn't supposed to be justified in that decision in the game, as that would take away the antagonist nature of the matter. It's a part of his character. The justification for WHY he did something so immediately just when all the pieces came together instead of waiting in a reasonable way gets explained in the anime. Your version isn't very attractive as an alternative, frankly.
But it is weird how his and Oleana's roles randomly switch, every time you meet them prior to the climax it is Rose wasting time getting sidetracked with silly stuff and Oleana getting angry and girlbossing him back to work, it really reeks of a late rewrite that Oleana is suddenly crying about all the awful things Rose is doing and Rose is all no-nonsense and obsessive about fixing the energy crisis.
Not that anon but you seem to be overanalyzing.
Oleana was always about doing what was best for Rose. She keeps him focused on his normal goals. What he ended up doing with Eternatus came as a shock to her, that was the point.
Yeah, she had the goal to collect wishing stars that she put for Bede to do, but it didn't look she knew the scale of what Rose was doing.
Oleana seems kind of like a handler. She seems to keep him on point, but it may also be a part of their relationship in the sense that she might know about his issue with leaving things undone or waiting. It also may be that he didn't have anything pressing to do until the necessary amount of Wishing Stars were cultivated. In the end, we see that it's her who can barely keep it together and he's the one that has the pieces right where he wants them. For the most part.
Oleana tard wrangles just like Shelly and Plumeria. She's also just really strong.
I don't really remember her actually being strong. She did have it together until the emotional breakdown, though.
Eccentric genius that was actually a bit too confident in his plan and the people he'd arranged to set it in motion. He doesn't want to wait to solve the crisis that's far off, and that's particular bit that makes him odd to the point of being seemingly nonsensical. His plan ended up working, but Leon alone wasn't actually necessarily enough to capture Eternatus (I say necessarily because there's an aspect of it in that Leon didn't necessarily lose, but the explosion knocks him out and Charizard saves you and Hop and maybe your Pokemon if I remember correctly).
I think extended media ended up explaining something about him never wanting to be late again due to some childhood trauma with a family member's death so it doesn't actually go unregarded. In the end, he was reckless, however, and his actions were manipulative and dangerous. Just desserts in being arrested, but he's not evil on the face of it.
The Rose Tower Romp is still the most embarrassing thing I have ever seen in a Pokemon game because it just fricking happens out of nowhere and throws you into a ridiculous scenario.
And what's worse is that THIS was supposed to be the moment that Team Yell becomes helpful.
And then as a final frick you, "LMAO THEY THOUGHT ROSE TOWER WOULD BE A DUNGEON, ENJOY YOUR ELEVATOR RIDE"
what happened to the cheater hate thread[spoiler/]
Me at 6 years old after discovering that the sun will explode in millions of years and kill us all
He was just doing the needful, sir
Bad writing. GF has taken to creating more "complex" antagonists, which is fine but it makes whatever weaknesses in the writing more glaring. Also if your antagonist is characterized not as evil but just "flawed", they run the risk of appearing moronic.
Going from Rose being an impatient doomsday preparer to The Professor dying and having a Robot that shares the insane ambitions but doesn't want to fulfill until forced was a massive whiplash
Would he be justfied if he said the energy crisis was 1 day away and he had to act by today or else energy would slowly diminish and economies would collapse.
Why was so much of the plot in throwaway lines or external media?
>the box legends saving galar from the darkest day in the past
>why Rose endorsed Bede
>why Oleana came to respect Rose so much
>the rampaging dynamax Pokémon
>how Rose even discovered Eternatus
>his reasoning for not just waiting
Galarian pussy got him acting unwise fr
The funny part is that the joke villain Bognadoffs in the postgame unironically had a better plot motive
>He caught?
>Our plan?
>To crash this meta
>With no survivors.
>Activate CRABRAWLER-13
Gamefreak should just stick to unrepentant asshats like Ghetsis. All their attempts at sympathetic or "well-meaning but misguided" antagonists fall flat on their face.
>grown man literally mindbroken by children