First of all: many people believe that since the main CPU (Emotion Engine) runs at a clock speed of 294Mhz (299Mhz on later revisions), it would make emulation easy on recent hardware.
But this is not the case, because the clock speed of the emulated CPU is not necessarily indicative of the ease of emulation.
Specifically, the PS2 CPU contains a multitude of custom sub-components and chips such as the FPU co-processor, 2 Vector Units, IOP, SPU2, Graphics Synthesizer and SIF which together work asynchronously to comprise the 128-bit Emotion Engine.
In order to emulate them perfectly with correct timing requires an enormous amount of power.
Moreover, the PS2 just like PS1 uses the MIPS architecture instead of standard x86 code, thus making emulation slower.
Another big problem is the emulation of PS2’s own floating point unit (FPU) because it doesn’t follow the IEEE standard.
To keep it simple, just changing a couple of numbers will cause glitches to occur to the game’s graphic (VU) and logic (EE), resulting in things like broken AI, odd behaviors or graphical bugs.
While PCSX2 allows for the option of either clamping/rounding on both VU and EE as a solution to fix these glitches, it remains by far not the most accurate way to emulate the PS2 FPU.
To conclude on the problems with PS2 emulation, we come to hardware rendering.
The PS2’s graphics pipeline acts very differently from modern GPU cards and emulating it in HW mode with any degree of accuracy is difficult.
This is due in part to the versatility of PS2, fact that it doesn’t use fixed shaders, or that even the games themselves do not use a consistent formula to achieve different graphical effects.
Various type of emulation enhancements like display resolution scaling leads to the typical “black lines glitch” because of the use of a non-integer resolution.
While the OpenGL backend on PCSX2 greatly improved on many of these issues, most games still require “software rendering” to fix many common glitches, which in turn slows down the emulation.
Although Games using mip-mapping (Ratchet & Clank, Ace Combat, etc...) and games running on the Snowblind Engine are playable in OGL HW mode with minimal problems on high-end PCs.
In summary, it is not possible to achieve close-to-perfection PS2 emulation with actual PC hardware, and even if it was possible, the results would most likely be unplayable.
The PS2 is simply a very complex machine that even game developers struggled to work with.
basically blow a lot of money and you can emulate every PS2 game in software mode fullspeed if you don't want to tweak hardware mode.
however we've reached a point where a large portion of ps2 games have widescreen codes and honestly look great, but its the waiting game for hardware mode fixes
I can run most of my PS2 collection in software mode on an overclocked 3800x, but the main issue is the blurry as frick mess of the native resolution.
Its worth putting up with the graphical issues to be able to have 1080p+ and looks crisp
Whats the point of high res graphics if they frick up constantly? You can buy a ps2, add a hardrive and hack it in a hour.
It's not like its game breaking though, a texture may flicker here and there. stop being autistic.
idk it depends
like chaos legion looks great but the legion's shadows are fricked
minor shit like that can drive you insane. also games rarely upres right
Just buy a ps2
Oh yeah, I'll just walk on down to the Sony gardens and pick a PS2 off the console tree! You really think it's that easy? Huh? Do ya??
Considering it sold 155 million units yes
Its very easy you foolish idiot
>not having a console tree in your back yard
What a chump.
I'm gonna steal your seed
But anon, I have a latex allergy.
As long as I get to have his sneed.
Yeah, it really is
>he doesn't know playstation seeds can be planted
next you'll say you didn't know the games require daily watering
>inb4 PS5 has PS2 hardware
I would cum buckets and get a Sony tattoo.
There's no need, they already have an extremely competent in-house emulator working on the PS4. They could've easily had PS2 BC on it, if PS2 classics didn't sell gang busters.
Doesnt the ps2 emulator run 99% of the games in 4k at 60fps?
yes but, its not accurate which is what everyone moans about.
It is not an accurate emulator AT ALL. Its built and held together with ducttape and glue.
Ah so all the gays in the emulation threads are liars? Color me surprised.
>accuracy
Wtf does that even mean? I've played quite a lot of games on a emulator and it didn't seem that different at all, other than the occasional slowdowns because of my then potato machine. Can you give me examples of a popular game that's not "accurate"? Off the top of my head I've played all the SH a few years ago and also had played it beforehand on a PS2 and there was no difference at all.
Accuracy as in not 100% true to the console experience, could be graphical or audio issues.
Its like the guys that need to use CRT filters.
Yeah, but I don't remember any issues on the games I've played. Does that mean, for example, that SH2 is 100% accurate? Because I honestly don't remember it being any different than in the console. What's an innacurate game?
ever heard of BSNES? its a snes emulator thats cycle accurate, models every component of the hardware faithfully (similar to how real hardware engineers simulate their components before sending a design to the semiconductor fab).
That's accurate emulation.
No not really. A lot of games either straight-up don't work in HW mode or have major bugs that are only fixable with going into SW mode
Emulation is for goys. Support the developers.
Just buy a PS2 (w/controller and cords, duh), a USB dongle, a memory card, an HDMI upscaler, and profit you moronic homosexual.
There isn’t interest in the PS2 or it’s library to justify it.
But Anon, the PS2 has EMOTION Engine! You can't "emulate" emotion!!
I never considered it that way. Now I understand (naruhodo) and will buy a Playstation 2.
Women do it all the time though. Clearly we need to shove one of them into the emulator and things will be gucci.
tl;dr
you're frickin autistic if you can't get over a little flickering now and then on free ps2 emulation
too many titles all have different problems
3D models ghosting in the backround, scaling errors, shit like black bars, problems with cel-shaded models, frozen movie playback and some titles even refusing to be played like R&C or Primal
https://streamable.com/6x4ba
what drives homos to whine about free emulators that just work?
they pay $10-100 per game and you pay with kilowatts and bandwidth
>It runs SMT and DBZ games perfect! That means it's good!
I played dark cloud 2 on an emulator and it worked fine. then again we all know the best era was ps1, and I've never had an issue emulating it
Perfect emulation don't exist, even the audio is inaccurate.
Original hardware > Emulation
SNES Higan?
Stupid question but something I don't understand is why you can't build a new computer with a similar architecture. I can actually code to an extent in MIPS and X86 assembly so I somewhat understand these things, but a lot of the complaints people have about things other than the ISA seem a little bit redundant to me as long as you build something that can do everything better with the same instructions and just slow it down when/if it runs too quickly. I mean ultimately the assembly code tells the console everything it needs to do so surely the fact that PCs use X86 is the real issue. Does anything even use MIPS nowadays? If you can build one system with this architecture it might be able to do N64 as well btw
>Just buy a PS2 lol
What if I want to play any game I want online with friends? What if I want to play modded games? Emulation is better for that.
>playing ps2 games online in 2020
>playing modded ps2 games IN 2020
The only people who do this are hispanics and third world scum that have no money or access to modern video games.
I like a lot of old video games better though. I still have a PS4 as well.
What games do you still play?
You won't believe me but I have weekly tournaments of the Fight Club video game in my Discord. I won the last one with my main Fred Durst.
I believe you, doesnt sound very fun but you do you.
Errors in AI on a PS2 game as a result of a rounding error would be indistinguishable from typicla behavior in normal gameplay due to how bad it all is.
>Will We Never Ever See Decent PS2 Emulation?
Jesus Christ dude just buy a fricking PS2 or a PS3 stop being such a cheap ass piece of shit
frick that, why would I wait for a physical disk to get mailed to my house when I just download the rom. discgays are fricking nuts I swear
Mod a fat PS2 and run ISOs from the hard drive on the Network expansion slot.
yeah I might do that someday, that actually sounds like fun
you can do the same thing with a PS2 slim if you want too.
Since the slim doesn't have a HDD, you can connect a HDD to a raspberry pi (or clone) and connect the raspberry pi via ethernet to the PS2 slim.
Since the ethernet port isn't slow like the USB ports, you can get full read speed.
With a Freemcboot memcard you can have ISO loading on your real PS2 slim very easily.
https://github.com/toolboc/psx-pi-smbshare
Thank god we have video game literate people here. I have a modded ps2,xbox, 360 and ps3. Nothing is off limits to me and i dont have to worry about it looking like glitchy garbage. Thats what a job and money can do. Enjoy your free garbage emulators.
>Not burning the games yourself
Just admit you're mentally disabled and can't use computers for shit
>Not buying a PS3 TEST System which can read PS1, PS2 and PS3 discs seamlessly
>buying a phat ps3
lmao
What if FPGAs eventually get powerful enough?
They will the cpu performance increase in the last 15 years is a sure sign of that we just need to wait for the hardware and programmers too do it
dude nobody cares about whatever game isn't currently supported, be glad you can emulate anything
since this is an emulation thread
don't forget about the handful of xbox and 360 games stuck on their systems
>360 emulation is farther ahead then the Xbox when comes to emulation.
It's supremely easy to softmod an Xbox and Jtagging a 360 isn't rocket science anymore.
xbox emulation is still trying but has a lot of issues
xbox literally has like 3 worthwhile exclusives and 1 of them emulates fine now.
My iphone xr can emulate gc and wii games very well,
meanwhile ps2 emulation on phones seems like it’s very far away, despite computers with my iphones specs easily being able to run ps2 games on pcsx2